What If Supreme Kai Came To Earth Before The Buu Saga?
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- In this video Mike discusses a "What If?" scenario asking "What If Supreme Kai Came To Earth Before The Buu Saga?" and discusses how Supreme Kai's coming would shape the overall story would effect the DBZ timeline.
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If supreme Kai showed up too early his dna would be in cell.
And that would be bad.
ProjectEchoshadow That's a good mention. I hadn't even thought about that but it could have very well created a bigger problem with Cell
warren010h alternate reality supreme kai
But how would Cell get his DNA?
Cian Bottomley-Mason the DNA of all high level fighter on Earth got taken by tiny robots that they never even noticed. I feel like Supreme Kai wouldn't notice it either.
SUPREME CELL
ProjectEchoshadow yes, i very much agree with you, as supreme kai can't even notice shit about anything at all that is happening in the universe. Yes, he has to look over the entire universe, but frieza was the god damn biggest threat for fucks' sake and he still wasn't taken care of
It's actually official now, Supreme Kai himself admitted in the most recent DBS episode: he's completely useless.
Supreme Kai is actually stronger than frieza by a lot!!!!
Luffy Gamer Not anymore
Luffy Gamer dude firea can take ssjgodsjs goku now the kais cant hadnel ssj1 goku fireza wood 1 shot the kai now
Well in the new movie he not stronger than frieza, but in the past he was.
Luffy Gamer He never was stronger than Frieza. Supreme Kai was afraid of a guy who can handle 10 times gravity. Frieza is far above that.
Dammit, Supreme Kai! You had *one* job!
I know right just to oversee an entire universe, I could easily keep up with all of it
+James White could you really?
Daiquan Bennett I would like to think better than the supreme kai. I imagine it would be very hard to be worse then him espically after 50 million years. Unless he has progressive old timers for the last 45 million years.....
+SuperSaiyanMaze Maybe he was board.
Just To One Shot Frizea
If he arrived before the Cell saga wouldn't his cells be in Cell?
yep, but cell wouldn´t have the freezer´s cells. I think cell would be weak enough to be beaten by 2 ascendent supersaiyans in his perfect form.
But I am not sure if they will achieve the saiyan form in that timeline and also I doubt even more that vegeta will be with the Z figthers and by consecuence trunks wouldn't exist and they will never knew about the androids.
Altough I think that if things would go in that way they will probably die in the boo saga by dabra or at least would suffer enough damange to revive boo and none of them will be powerfull enough to defeat boo since if there is no vegeta, there is no vegetto, no gotenks and assuming that goku didn´t die in the cell saga he wouldn´t achieve the supersaiyan 3 form
@Martin Hwang his cells would just make cell useless, like he is.
6:30 did beerus let frieza do whatever he want so that would mean supreme kai cant interfere in what god of destruction job?
I think he meant when Cell is in perfect form
@@daleodorito the freezer? Lmao
Fantastic work my friend. You put a lot of thought into it and it was rapid fire!
Geekdom101 Thanks!
Geekdom!
You are good at compliments
The Problem I Have Is That Goku Wouldn't Have Gone Super Saiyan
I know you
So basically, at any point before the buu saga he'd have been a complete gamebreaker.
***** Many say that Goku might have never reached SS3 without going to heaven, and while that's entirely possible, I think if he was that much stronger at a much earlier time it's very possible. Not to mention that they could perhaps even get so powerful with the extra time and training that he might not even need it.
Laughingstock Media Must argue that if supreme kai came when gokus and freiza fought the androids will never exist because goku never met gero
Thank you for watching my video and taking the time to comment, I really appreciate it.
Now onto your theory: I'm afraid doesn't work simply because of the fact that Goku is stated to have met or at least known about Dr Gero when he was a child during the time he fought the Red Ribbon Army and destroyed them. This is also how Gero knew of Goku, because according to Toriyama he was the one really pulling the strings in the Army and hated Goku for destroying it. So his plan was solely to get revenge on Goku and resume taking back over the world.
In fact, Gero even says that he stopped following the actions of Goku and the Z Fighters before they had left for Namek, since he thought he had compiled enough information. So he didn't even know what had taken place on Namek, and thus the Supreme Kai interfering there and killing Frieza would have no effect on the Androids coming or Gero's plans. Now, it would effect Cell in that he wouldn't possess Frieza's cells, but that's pretty much the only change that would happen aside from what I mentioned.
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Laughingstock Media Do you think goku would or wouldn't became a ssj 3 if supreme kai came during the cell games? Since goku didn't die, i think his body coudn't of handled the ssj 3 power.
emaan chodry He wouldn't have. Even while dead his ssj3 form took an immense amount of effort. Strain that his human body could not have handled. Had Supreme Kai killed Cell it would have fucked them up in the long run. Without SSJ3 Goku would have been killed while fighting Buu. Which means everyone else would have ended up dying. Unleeeess Vegehan was born! Lol
Shit... Didn't mean "human" body.... His flesh body lol Him being an alien slipped my mind for a moment
How to stop the heart virus: goku kills himself using a ki blast
Then revive him because he didn’t die from natural causes
The body may still carry the Virus.. but your idea is great, just have Goku self destruct , have Kami give him a new body like he did with the Z fighters and then revive him with the Dragon Balls and boom Virus gone :P
Now why doesn’t Goku revive with his tail? 🤔 something I’ve always wondered
My only concern with this is that were the Supreme Kai to train everyone to be strong enough to take out the androids, then there would be no time machine in the first place, as there would be no timeline where the Androids would have been able to kill the Z-fighters. Hence, Trunks will not show up from the future, and neither will Cell.
This leaves Cell gestating in his tube as the Buu Saga persists, since the Z-fighters won't know about his existence and won't assassinate him before he is complete, meaning that he will absorb the cells of the Supreme Kai, Dabura, Pui Pui, Yakkon, Babadi, and if he is somehow released, Buu.
Even without the Androids to absorb, this would likely make his imperfect form much stronger and give him much greater capabilities. It would be an interesting possibility to explore.
SelfAwarePedant I do completely think you're right but I do not think hill get buu s cells because I don't really think he has any and even if he did they will rush back to buu
He would train them for the fight agains't babidi and in doing so they would overpower the androids without even anticipating them.
Cell would be new grand priest
and connection to beerus if he had supreme kai's DNA
No, that's not how it works, unless you mean the Supreme Kai goes to Earth early in EVERY timeline.
Given Buu’s unique Physiology I doubt Dr.Gero’s Spy bugs would be able to harvest Cell Samples from him (since every single one of his Cells is “alive” they can likely defend themselves) but to be honest Cell only really needs the Cells of Shin to become extremely powerful to the point where I doubt he would even need to absorb 17 and 18.
He isn't as strong as perfect cell because he was afraid of dabura who goku said is just as strong as cell and the supreme kai was afraid of him
My guess would be that he's as strong as Cell saga Vegeta maybe
I'd only think that supreme kai would be about the same as imperfect cell
1 Animator 2 Artists No it wasn't that dabura was as strong as cell it was just supreme kai knows dabura as the strongest fighter on the other side of the realm. Kai never mentions cell at all and Goku let's kai know that cell was a very tough fight amd those fighters including dabura where not so strong. gohan was stronger than dabura he didn't go ssj2 because he didn't want to have to go all out on dabura when if it was Goku or Vegeta they would of destroyed dabura if they went ssj. Gohan just was not as good a fighter anymore. Kai is probably the lvl of semi perfect cell I would say. Still stronger than piccolo though! piccolo was in my eyes in buu saga I cast him at the lvl of Android 16 just somewhat stronger. Put him up against a ussj and I will say supreme kai will lose so he'd be at a semi perfect cell lvl maybe a little stronger. very strong and probably never thought a human is capable of reaching such a lvl.
1 Animator 2 Artists yes your correct anyone who can tell power lvl would be able to know this. Piccolo wants to have a good fight he said to gohan and they can't go ssj so in all honesty there is no saying how strong piccolo was in buu saga. maybe there he was around ussj trunks if not even. Vegeta was getting his ass kicked by fat buu and piccolo was hiding like a coward saying they aren't strong enough. so we can all go from there that piccolo is way beneath ssj2 since Vegeta at asj2 he was stunned how strong Vegeta was and cheering him to win saying he is the only hope they have. this guy uploading is an idiot.
I agree
Considering Kais are not permitted to interfere with mortal affairs; I would say at worst for Frieza during the Namek saga, Shin would come in and confiscate or destroy the dragon balls if he knew they present a threat to the universe, leaving Frieza with just a stern warning or threat. Thus, he step in when necessary without overstepping his boundary and duties.
Goku was tired while fighting cell jrs
Jordan Thomas Yep.
Lol, savage. I forgot about that!
At first I thought this was meant to say Goku got tired fighting them/was weak. Now i know you are saying being tired is why he could not keep up. Oops!
He took a senzu bean at the same time cell did so it's bad writing imo. If cell (and every single other time a senzu is taken) is fully regenerated there isn't a single reason Goku should have been anything but full strength. Ik it's a late response but still major plot hole
@@UnholyWrath3277 lol
Supreme kai using telepathy to hold down SSJ2 gohan was just like chaotsu holding down kid goku when he was fighting tien Chaotsu
+Chase Noel That isn't the same thing at all. One was clearly serious, the other for comedy.
Laughingstock Media Chaotsu held Goku back in dragon ball, when he went up against Tien, that scene was not at all comedic, unless your implying Supreme Kai's actions as comedy.... are you perhaps thinking of a different moment or something(like the one from a somewhat recent ep of DBS, or....?)
kid Goku wasn't really that strong back then though.
He didn't hold him back, he made Goku feel pain to distract him from fighting so that Tien could attack him freely, while the Supreme Kai prevented Gohan from moving completely.
Actually Big has a point about the telekinesis. Another example is how Dabura is consistently being shown to be stronger than Supreme Kai, considering how he was extremely unnerved and not completely confident in their success when he found out that Babadi had the demon under his control. Plus in the DBS manga future Dabura kicked future S. Kai's and Kibito's ass off screen (cause lets face it there was no way of Yakon or Pui Pui doing that) while he didn't have a scratch on him. Yet even though Dabura was obviously stronger than him S. Kai still could hold him in place with telekinesis WHILE the Kai was fatally injured. So his point still stands.
Supreme Kai is kind of an arrogant punk who doesn't do his homework.
DarthBobCat No kidding. He was so arrogant when he first arrived, thinking he was so over everyone else, but shits out a brick when he discovers how outclassed he really was.
+DarthBobCat Oh, that is so true. Dude claims he could one shot Freeza, yet panicked over Puipui which Vegeta killed with ease. He is even shocked at a SSJ, implying that he never seen that level of power despite claiming to be so great.
Personally I don't think Supreme Kai was a strong character. There's words from himself, King Kai and Kami, but no action to back him up.
zwann_mustapah He DID last longer against Buu than Gohan did. That's about it.
DarthBobCat Just a *Little* longer :-)
+DarthBobCat Gohan had went full round with Dabaura, Released Kamehameha trying to destroy Buu egg, what had Supreme Kai did up until then? hahahahahah He had fresh Android 16 power ready to go
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you are forgetting one glaring detail, THE Z SWORD gohan (weak as he was) was able to lift it while neither of the kais could; thus the supreme kai is weaker than perfect cell.
+Sup Soul Gohan went SSJ(and looked 2) to pull the sword out, which makes sense as to why he was stronger. Gohan at that point wasn't weak though, considering how he put up a fight against a Dabura who is stated to be "way stronger" than Goku's earlier estimation of Cell.
@@LSMMIKE i know this is 4 years ago but Goku said dabura was equal to cell not way stronger
Actually, Gohan needed Super Saiyan to lift it, and when he was getting used to his weight, he could lift in Base.
If He's Weaker Than Cell So He's ROUGHLY EQUAL TO CELL JR.S
The Supreme Kai was afraid to face Dabura which was on par with Cell. I don't see the Supreme Kai defeating Perfect or Super Perfect Cell any day.
I think that SK isn't as powerful as you think mainly because he was too impressed by the power level of Gohan who is weaker than Perfect Cell at the time during the fights in Babidi's spaceship. I would put his strengh slightly above the level of Future Trunks when he killed the androids.
And even more, he wouldn't be a great teacher I guess since he is pretty young for a Supreme Kai and wouldn't make the Z-fighters as strong as if Goku was training the others by himself.
He was impressed I believe because he believed they were mere saiyan and you gotta remember, saiyans aren't really regarded as that strong. Goku and vegeta were exceptions.
Sand King is pretty powerful, he can just use his stun then the channeling earthquake ultimate, then he uses his second ability so he won't get detected. He can beat anyone.
+Pie Filming a Pie This isn't Dota.... Pudge is a dick.
Niinja Skeilz Thanks for telling me, I was confused of who he was talking about.
+max3site Max think of it kinda like this. if you saw an ant try with all of its might and manage to sucker punch a cat into the wall your jaw would drop to the floor. but at the same time you could easily sucker punch a cat into the wall
But Dabura = Perfect Cell and Supreme Kai was afraid of Dabura
Zamininc yeah super perfect cell aka ssj2 cell
Actually he was stated > Cell. I personally interpret that as Dabura> Perfect Cell but
@@jamainegardner4193 how did you interpret it that way? The information you were given was Dabura>cell. Everything else is just added by you to suit your bias.
P.s. sorry if I sound like I'm insulting you, that's not my purpose here.
I don't think he was personally afraid so much as he was concerned his trump cards would underestimate the demon king's magic and get themselves killed pointlessly
Cell Is Stronger Than Dabura
man good video, blew my mind.
I've only seen three videos, but I love your outlook on what if's.
Goku mentioned that Dabura was at Cell's level when he encountered him and the Supreme Kai said they had no chance at beating him...I have a feeling Supreme Kai' s power is much lower than that. That said, great video otherwise!
Perfect Cell or SUPER Perfect Cell?
@@bigevil1001 likely Super Perfect Cell
@@bigevil1001 definitely, Super perfect Cell at his strongest. Majin Vegeta would've enjoyed toying with Super Perfect Cell.
I think if you are called "Supreme Kai" then you are one of the most powerful beings in the universe. Based on this totally legit fact I am going to say that Supreme Kai is on par with Whis and may even be more powerful then Krillen, but that might be overstating things at bit. Never the less, Since Gohan could kill perfect Cell and Supreme Kai could kill Gohan at super saiyan 2 I am going to have to say that at his best Supreme Kai would be at stalemate with Choutsu.
+leagueoflegolas from what i remember from the buu saga, i have to disagree with you when you say that SK is on par with Whis. Wasn't it even mentioned that Whis is stronger than Beerus? Supreme Kai is just an assistant to the Z fighters as far as I see it.
Dude, It was a joke. The entire thing, I had hoped as soon as I implied that Krillen was stronger than Whis that everyone would have realized that it was a joke.
+leagueoflegolas Believe me, it was pretty obvious it was riddled with satire. Dead people don't know they're dead. It's the same with stupid.
+leagueoflegolas lol maybe he's a troll... or a namekian.
I completely agree with you. However I do think that Whis might be able to beat Chiaotzu, but he'd be leagues below Yamcha.
Mr Satan is probably just a little bit stronger than Beerus, and as we know Videl is stronger than Mr Satan, which seems to imply she's actually a namekian. As we also know, Android 16 is stronger than Ultimate Gohan, which puts Kibito somewhere between Puar and Oolong.
In my opinion Dende is actually on par with SSJ3 Nappa, and stronger than West Kai, and that means that Buu is about the strength of Dr Gero. If we assume that Piccolo is around the strength of Chi Chi, that actually means that SSGSS Bacterian is stronger than Bardock. Also, that puts Raditz between Golden Frieza and Mr Popo.
Conclusion: If Supreme Kai came to earth somewhere between the saiyan saga and the android saga, he'd die instantly when he touches the ground, since he's actually allergic to Saibamen.
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Great video
Also if Supreme Kai interfered with the Cell Games and killed Perfect Cell, Mr. Satan wouldn't be able to claim credit for it
nah supreme kai is mastered ssj goku level (cell saga)
SUPREME KAI IS ROUGHLY EQUAL TO SEMI PERFECT CELL
Picture that boy Yamcha running through the androids lol
😂😂
video was so nice I enjoy the video
I think you did a remarkable job at proving your point in this theory
0:53 the face you make when you find out your crush is single
I was going to point out that the power gap between Semi-perfect Cell and Perfect Cell was far larger than the power gap between Imperfect Cell and Semi-perfect Cell, but then you pointed out how he was able to hold back Gohan and lasted longer against Buu than Gohan did, so now my argument also includes that Gohan had gotten weaker over the 7 years of peace and Piccolo, though getting stronger, didn't exactly have a clear goal to train toward and probably wasn't even as strong as Gohan had allowed himself to drop down to. So, in short, the Supreme Kai was not even as strong as Perfect Cell. Probably close, but not there. He was even afraid of Dabura who I believe is stated to be around Perfect Cell's power, but not Super Perfect Cell.
Also, all of these theories of him noticing what's going on relies on him actually paying attention. He was probably too focused on searching Earth for where Buu was sealed to notice anything else going on, or maybe he was even not at all focused on Buu for a long time because he considered him dealt with until Babiti started his mission to reawaken Buu.
Also, now that Super is out, we know that there are higher beings in the universe to pay attention to, but that's probably a moot point since they probably weren't at all active during the events of Dragon Ball and Dragon Ball Z.
Pretty funny stuff, good video.
At 0:54 supreme kai face is so creepy just so terrified to look at
*supreme kai lightly flicks frieza in the forehead*
*frieza falls over dead*
To me, it looks like a good scenario for Xenoverse DLC :D
Nice video, I like your reasoning
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You earned it. :)
I believe that, if Supreme Kai showed up during the Cell Game, he may actually have ended up being killed by Perfect Cell. My argument is that Supreme Kai seemed to be terrified by the perspective of having to fight against Darbura, who was around Cell's power. Considering that, Super Perfect Cell would have disposed of Supreme Kai and probably rather easily.
Simon D. Liebert Supreme Kai's feats dictate that he's above regular Perfect Cell, and Dabura was stated to be around "Cell" and then Goku said he was tougher than he thought, implying Dabura was stronger. So naturally Kai wouldn't want to fight someone whom he couldn't beat, but would likely beat Perfect Cell and not allow him to get the Zenkai.
+Laughingstock Media Supreme Kai magic is so powerful he could disable perfect cell with a zenkai boast without even moving
If the guy can restrain SSJ2 Gohan and take shots from Buu then I don't see why he couldn't fight Cell. He could potentially restrain him and then destroy him with a full powered blast, like he hit Buu with.
+Laughingstock Media I agree Boo killed Dabra easily but Kai held out way longer than him and endured a lot more hits
Young Vigilante Yep, it's pretty interesting to consider, though I'd say technically Dabura did a little better if only in terms of offense.
The thing I find awesome about this is you know how comical it would be if even the humans were strong enough to take on all the androids. Maybe one human destroying all the androids with ease. I would say Supreme Kai is somewhat stronger than Cell.
loved when he said yes and also yamcha
yes that even includes yamcha
ur the best man
+Getoar THAÇI I strongly doubt the theory that training with the Supreme Kai would make the humans as powerful as the Androids, mainly because humans have natural limits. The Androids were given cyber enhancements that made them ridiculously strong, where as Krillen, Tien, and Yamcha depend on their own bodies power, which, unlike Saiyans and Namekians, can be maxed out physically. Guru told Krillen that his potential was fully unlocked after giving him the powerup, which most likely would've been able to let him beat Nappa in a single blow, but even then he couldn't even stand up to a post-Zarbon-healed Vegeta, and got his ass royally kicked by the Ginyu Force. The Distructo Disc, capable of cutting through anything (up until the Cell Saga) was Krillen's only effective weapon, and even then if the opponent sees it coming it can be easily dodged. Since Namek all of Krillen's training has basically been to preserve the strength he got from Guru, which on a human scale is inconcievable, but the human body has a limit on what it can take and Krillen had reached that limit. Yes, I also know that Tien was able to fight a second-form Cell and actually knock the wind out of him with a Ki-oh-ho blast, but Tien combine his life force along with his Ki to supercharge it. His Ki-Oh-ho from the Saiyan Saga, from what I read, was actually strong enough to kill Nappa if he hadn't dodged the blast, and that was AFTER Nappa cut Tien's arm off and beat the crap out of him. Tien has more spiritual energy than Krillen, but physically has the same limitations and, even if sent to Supreme Kai's planet to train, would only become as physically strong as Krillen after the Guru power up.
As for Yamcha, I think he's too undeveloped spritually to unlock any hidden powers he might have no matter how much training he can get. Krillen and Tien were MONKS, and in real life some sects of Buddhist monks can unlock hidden abilities, such as heating hands up, simply by force of mind, though it takes years and years of training and meditation. Yamcha doesn't have that dedication, so he'd continue to be the joke of DBZ even if he did get to be as strong as Nappa was at full power.
vampman87 i was talking about the joke he made with yamcha like even yamcha who is so weak can become strong
+Getoar THAÇI hahaha wow can Yamacha be able to kill android ?
14:21.If Surpeme Kai would come to fight Cell and would blow him up.Cell would possibly be able to regenerate and would get a Zenkai Boost putting him above Surpreme Kai.Since SK probably doesn't know about Cell's Regeneration Ability he would probably not use a Full Power Ki Blast because of seeing no need for it.
Godot There's nothing that says Kai couldn't kill him without him coming back. Gohan was able to. Cell regenerating, even according to himself, was an accident.
Laughingstock Media Well yes Gohan was able to but only with Cell being heavily distracted by the other Z-Fighters and Gohan getting help from Goku
The point is that Gohan destroyed him and his cluster of Cells. There's nothing saying that Supreme Kai couldn't if he's more powerful than regular Perfect Cell.
Laughingstock Media But even so your Arguments that you brought up in this Video are still kind of lacking.When Surpreme Kai fuses into Kibito Kai.Old Kai mentions that he still wont be able to beat Buu because he wasn't that strong to begin with
Laughingstock Media And another Argument that would put Cell above Surpreme Kai is that when SK first saw Dabura he was scared by his high PowerLevel.And as Goku stated Dabura is around the same Strenght as Perfect Cell.Which in Conclusion means that if Surpreme Kai was scared of Daburas PowerLevel he was obviously weaker than him.Dabura>SK.And therefore.SuperPerfectCell>Perfect Cell=Dabura>Surpeme Kai
Training on supreme kai's world would possibly allow even Vegeta to achieve ss3.
Based on what evidence?
Goku trained in the other world to unlock the third transformation.
Vegeta, being quite possibly close to Goku during the training in supreme kai's world, would be able to understand Goku's training, and attempt it himself.
Diet Dr. Bass Or will it c:
@@DietDrBass He was aware of what the form could do, and he’s a Range-Based fighter, so why would he attempt to attain a Transformation that drains Ki/Energy?
very good chat
Wow man your amazing dude
The Supreme Kai would body everyone from the Andriod saga going down.
Nice Pfp
LOL
you’re fucking stupid
NAH IT'S STUPID
The supreme Kai may be strong but he's nothing compared to whis and whis is not even close to Yamcha and Yamcha isn't even in Mr. Satan's league thus fore th conclusion is Mr. Satan is the most powerful in all of the 12 universes.
Satan 4 the win
Hoquesters no Mr popo is the strongest
Farmer with a shotgun would kill them all
Guys guys, the strongest is obviously.............. AKIRA TORIYAMA
Sound logic
First time in a long time I agree with everything you said in the video hey good job do you research
could you possibly add all the DBZ "What If' scenario videos into a playlist?
That moment when you realize that this isn't quuaman but is still a great video
+MAJIN Vegero Thanks!
No matter when the Supreme Kai arrives he wouldn't help the Z fighters, their problems do not pose a sufficient threat to the rest of the universe.
Huodinia The whole point would be him training them to fight Buu. Didn't you watch the video?
Laughingstock Media You said if Supreme Kai came and removed the Buu threat before Babidi even came, and even if he didn't eliminate Buu he's bound to never interfere unless it's at a universal level, he WOULD have taken care of Frieza if Goku hadn't cut his rule short, he WOULD eventually be forced to fight Cell, be he was seen as a galactic, not universal threat at the time, Majin Buu was universal, period, that's why he enlisted Goku and the others during the Buu saga in the first place, he knew he was way over his head.He even comments he would have helped the Z fighters against Cell if Cell had been universal. He couldn't help so he didn't help.
Supreme Kai didn't even know Cell existed. The entire thing about the video is if Supreme Kai was more forward thinking and kept better tabs on Earth among other things, he could've come to the Earth earlier and trained the Z Fighters to be strong enough to help him against Buu. Watch the video.
Laughingstock MediaThere is no reason for the supreme kai to care about the z fighters at all they were ants to him. Before the frieza saga there were WAAAY more fighters in the universe that were stronger then goku and vegeta combined and would be much more help in fighting Buu. The idea that he interferes with any of these events to maybe train them does not make any sense as well, because it is only after goku and z fighters defeat frieza and Cell that they were even on the Supreme kai's radar. We the fans know what goku will become but to the supreme kai earth is a 3rd world country full of weaklings that's why he put the buu egg here in the first place no one here should be powerful enough to ever awaken it. Remember supreme kai didn't want majin buu to wake up at all he knew how powerful majin buu was even with SS1 and SS2 they were still no match for Buu why would supreme kai think that training the z fighters before they ever defeat Cell or frieza would be anything near strong enough to contend with majin buu. He would want to spent ALL his time trying to stop Buu from waking not training z fighters or interfering in fights with weaklings just cause one day they may be stronger???? before cell and frieza saga there were warriors in heaven who had power levels in the millions if supreme kai wanted to train somebody to fight buu he would go train them if you ask me. Goku's and the z fighters power level was at a few thousand barley able to defeat the ginu force, yea thats who supreme kai picks to fight majin buu and the super sayan was a legend at best and even after reaching it he was still NOTHING compared to buu. It makes sense to stop buu from waking then to hope you can train fighters to defeat him especially when the fighters you are talking about have power levels in the thousands lol
OMG UMMX Exactly if there is a nuclear bomb in a third world country you don't train the locals, you send in special forces. The supreme kai didn't have to wish any body back let them come down for one day like goku did. Supreme kai is universal he knows waay more warriors who are more powerful then the z fighters before frieza and CELL saga's. This entire video is based on the fact that the supreme kai knows just how powerful goku will become which is impossible. There is no reason for him to think anyone could defeat majin buu and he was right IT TOOK EVERYTHING the z fighters had plus fusing. In fact the main fighters who actually put up a fight against Buu was the sayans, 2 of which were not even born yet. if he actually came and changed any events trunks and goten may have never even been born goku could have been too busy training to ever have goten and alot of events came into vegeta becoming part of the team ( mainly his respect and envy of how strong goku is ) if goku doesn't do the things he does like defeat frieza, ginu force and become a super sayan, vegeta would never have stayed on earth. he only stayed to learn the secret of becoming a super sayan which allowed him to build a relation ship with bulma since he needed her father to build gravity machines for him to train.
Your dragon ball videos should have more views, they are very good.
While everything you said about Supreme Kai's power this video made perfect sense (no pun intended), I was surprised that you did not mention Dabura in any way. Supreme Kai was definitely intimidated by him. Do you think he could beat him in a fight?
The puny Kai was scared of Dabura, he couldn't defeat him that way
No. Dabura was easily above Perfect Cell and I'd argue that he's at least almost equal to SSJ2 Teen Gohan and SPC. Not to mention that Dabura has magical abilities.
Initial Imperfect Cell Was Far Stronger Than Frizea
So Supreme Kai Is Equal To Imperfect Cell !!!
My head cannon:
Ssj2 Teen Gohan > Adult Gohan > Dabura >/= Super Perfect Cell > Supreme Kai > Kibito > Perfect Cell > Ssj Teen Gohan > Ssj Goku > Everyone else
Dbz plot hole: when elder guru died where was the baby egg
Ya'know, as much crap as everyone gives Yamcha, he is still stronger than Chiaotzu, Roshi, and Yajirobe
And all the human that aren't Tien and Krillin.
Well also stronger than Videl, Raditz, Nappa, and certainly by the end of manga he can still take Zarbon, Dodoria and the Ginyu Force, like seriously at his strongest point in the series, he's probably just under Mecha Freeza
Nah he's not just under Mecha Frieza. At MOST he's 2nd form Frieza but he's probably somewhere around Recoome to Ginyu.
well end of manga yes, but I'm talking at his peak, like just after the cell games, before he stopped training.
Ryan T Mecha-Frieza is stronger than second form Frieza.
Awesome! The Kais are so powerful.
the only way that i see kai shin interfere its in a moment of peace, he will waint until the end of an arc or saga, i imagine that just when cells sagas finished. nice video by the way.
you are basing the Supreme kai's power level on an assumption that when he said that they could defeat final form freeza with one blast and that he was aware of Freeza's transformation capacity. if Supreme Kai was really that much more powerful, he wouldn't have needed Gohan to get the Z sword out of the stone nor would he have been so surprised at the power of a saiyan in base form like he was with vegeta when he fought pui pui. This would have been common knowledge since if he had known how powerful freeza was and was able to predict their exponential growth due to gokus and vegeta's rivalry and subsequent constant training, he would have known for a fact that not a single one in babidi's control was strong enough to even phase them. thus i have to disagree with the powerlevel base argument. Also bear in mind that Majin buu tends to "play" with his victims, especially the Kid incarnation. It taunts and mocks the ones it fights and usually draws the fight out for as long as possible as it did with vegeta and even goku despite being fully capable of wiping the planet they were fighting on in an instant taking them with it. so it's more likely that buu was just toying with Supreme Kai. It's either that or Supreme kai's an uninformed moron.
+John Blood Frieza is well known among gods. his final form is actually his base form and his transformations work backwards so its likely that he knows at least that much about frieza. frieza doesnt train so he would know of his power from long before namek and it wouldnt have changed much if at all. finally the reason he is surprised about everything is because yes, supreme kai is as uninformed and moronic as yamcha is weak. the only reason he knows about frieza is probably because he overheard it from the other kais gossiping at the lunch table like schoolgirls. imagine if you walked by an ant hill and you saw an ant 1 hit an armadillo and throw a mole into the air. You could do it too much easier and you could probably still stomp out the ant but its surprising because you don't expect them to be capable of it
PacMyleZz It's a bit different to be surprised about something incredibly weak and small taking out a being much higher in caliber and a whole other ball game when it's something that should be common knowledge. Pui pui, according to the knowledge we're left with from his home planet's gravity (10x earth or equal to planet vegeta), he has to be weaker than fucking raditz, that's so insignificant, and If supreme kai knew exactly how powerful freeza was, and i mean exactly knew how powerful he was really, and knew that both of these sayians have had the capacity to destroy freeza and then some for years, he wouldn't have been surprised as he was because there could not be any other possible outcome, and if he's able to foresee events due to these two being at a constant rivalry in strength he'd also know they both have long since ascended previous limitations of the ssj transformation. Supreme Kai's surprise at all of this reflects his own weakness, since if he was as powerful as the video would lead us to believe, he could have very easily wiped the floor with everyone under babidi's control instead of allowing even the slightest chance of babidi gather energy for Majin buu's resurrection. The Kai's are pathetic in terms of power levels, this is fact, this includes supreme kai, they have incredible magical powers, much like babidi and several others but their fighting prowess compared to the Sayians as they stand today is like comparing Ants to people.
The kai's have used magic on several cases to compensate for their lack of any real power relative to the main cast, and they have always shown the reaction of disbelief and astonishment when this is the case. Run the numbers and you can only come to the conclusion that the supreme kais are pathetic in terms of powerlevel and only possess magical properties as the bulk of their might.
John Blood yes while im not saying SK is OP as i myself am quite unsure. i do believe he simply underestimated the Z fighter that greatly and overestimated babidies followers that much. correct me if im wrong but i dont think he even knew of any henchmen besides dabura. until they actually showed up and the newly added majin powerup may have thrown him for a loop. in my honest opinion though i feel like the only reason he was surprised was to hype up the audience via plot device. the classic " the only guy who knows how dangerous villain is tells the heroes only for them to stand on equal ground with the villains" cliche. what you say about the gravity/frieza/surprise makes sense and i do believe him being either weak or strong is a possibility howerver in the situation of knowing friezas strength, knowing how much 10x earth g is and being surprised it doesnt necessarily make him weak it just makes him the biggest idiot in the universe, him or toriyama(jk)
Edit: from another perspective(basically my original perspective) it would be surprising to find out someone trains at 10x their planets gravity no? like you wouldnt really assume they would be able to facilitate that. i think of the SK the same way i think of the Galaxy or universe (i forget) Policeman who is powerful and knows a lot yet is clueless about events important to the main story.
+John Blood I believe that supreme kai was surprised at vegeta's base form because the strongest saiyan at the time planet vegeta was destroyed was bardock at around 10,000 Before you say Bardock is not cannon I believe he has his own manga chapter. Nappa with a power level of around 5,000 was a saiyan general so your right after planet vegeta's explosion Supreme kai went complete moron.
Trey man that's false. disregarding barcock all together, Supreme Kai apparently knew about the events that took place on planet namek and subsequently he would know about goku's 100x gravity training and would also be aware that both of them had surpassed that kind of power long before he came to earth and should have known that pui pui does not even classify as a threat to them. this video made just the base assumption that supreme kai had any idea what freeza's power was really like, which i doubt he knew at all since freeza quite simply never revealed his true power. Supreme kai's power level is very low, and as i said before, his true power lays with his magical capacity, such as with the technique he used to subdue gohan so his energy could be stolen.
Supreme Kai is definitely bellow perfect Cell.
Gohan at cell games was loosing to perfect Cell, 7years later Gohan has become weaker than he was during Cell games.
Gohan than goes to fight Dabura, and is pared at ssj level.
Since supreme Kai was scared of just how incredibly strong Dabura was, it's easy to say that S.kai was weaker than P.Cell.
If S.kai was stronger than P.Cell than that means that S.Kai is stronger than Dabura.
Cell>teen Gohan>Dabura=adult Gohan>supreme kai
Chase Noel Plus, I remember that Supreme Kai treated a guy that can handle 10 times gravity like he was a big deal. That itself says a lot.
Yash Bhuiya Good point XD
But in his defense....!
The X10 gravity could throw of someone of great power
Trunks, Gohan, and Goten all stumbled in their 1st step in X10g.
But that's still not a good back up for S.Kai XD
+Chase Noel we have to remember though, hes a bit of a snob. i dont know if hes stronger than cell or not but i think hes just looking down on the z fighers by not seeing them as strong. think of it like when frieza heard the ginyu force was pwned. at the time he could pwn goku himself in his final form but it was still surpising.
SK was afraid for Vegeta because of Pui Pui's speed. He wasn't scared of him, per-Se, but was rather worried for Vegeta.
Ookami Silver True true
I think your right on
Despite what happened, it's not gonna change the fact that Supreme Kai is still one of my favorite characters. I know it has NOT been easy for him if I understand what it was like for him before. I know he was trying to save Earth too.
This is still a really good video. I also like finding out how strong he is at Perfect Cell's level. Cell is my favorite.
Cell Is A Lot Of People's Fav Villain
Didnt Shin confirmed that every Kai is 1000 times stronger than Freiza? Meaning He would obliterate cell
Supreme kai is not even close to Piccolo, Supreme kai was worried about Pui pui, and was literally scared of base form Vegeta and amazed by his power, Vegeta pointed a blast at supreme kai, and he was frightened for his life saying theres no stopping him, if supreme kai was actually stronger than Piccolo, he would've given zero fucks about base Vegeta and would not be so petrified of Dabura, Piccolo wasn't scared of Dabura at all and was ready to fight him, supreme kai is not that strong period, at least compared to Cell, he'd have no chance against Cell or Piccolo since buu saga Piccolo should not be much weaker than perfect Cell and is waaay stronger than base Vegeta, when Shin says he can beat Frieza he's talking about first form frieza not final form because Frieza's transformations were a complete secret that no one knew about except for his closest henchmen and his father, so yes, supreme kai is Frieza saga level since he was scared and amazed by base form saiyans, even when him and Gohan go into babdi's ship the 2nd time Gohan in his base form powering up makes supreme kai overwhelmed.
Jesus-is LORD Agreed, he has paralysing or shock techniques that had some effect on Buu so I assume they would work much better on Frieza.
Jesus-is LORD Nice seeing you again btw, small world lol.
All of that could have been avoided if Supreme Kai just killed the Saiyans including Raditz, killed Frieza and his henchmen and then trained the Z Fighters. With about 5 years of training until the Androids they'd be more than strong enough to beat them, and 7 years till the Buu Saga, and if all else fails they always have 1-2 years in the HTC
Hit But consider... what would cell have been like with the cells of a GOD in him...??
Im sure Qaaman is happy you put piccolo on par with perfect cell haha. Laughingstock Media
Except for yamcha
Supreme Kai getting there earlier would've made Dragon Ball Z unwatchable. Dude is just ignorance and cockiness mixed together in a 50/50 ratio.
KingJemnas Yet Vegeta and "the Champ" are already there...
its a what if
It's Just A What If
It ever Happened If The Actual Series
I like your way of thinking and breaking down into the different "What if's". however i don't know if it was just in the Animation or actually in the Manga as well but didn't Supreme Kai say he didn't know Bibadi had a son at first, and if im correct he never stated when he found out about him.Also IF one of those scenarios did occur wouldn't it be more likely that Elder Supreme Kai (once released from the Z-Sword) would of took over most of the training.... And that they would of had time to do the Proper training to bring Goku back his tail instead of the rushed method. and on top of that everyone else tail
I think the ideal time for him to appear would be right before the Cell Games. He could tell the fighters who he is and get Goku and Gohan to his planet to train and maybe try to release the Z Sword. If Goku or Gohan were able to release it and train with it for a couple of days they'd get significantly stronger, perhaps enough to beat Cell without ascending to SS2.
Goku would probably want to use the sword and cut something and if he broke it and the Elder Kai appeared he would likely perform the same ritual he did with Gohan in the Buu Saga.
There's the possibility they would be running out of time, but Goku could teleport to the lookout, enter the Room of Spirit and Time with the Elder Kai and have the ritual inside. The ritual takes 24 hours, which is just a few minutes outside the chamber. With his potential unlocked, Goku would have a power level similar to what he had when he fought Beerus as a SS3, much stronger than when he fought Buu in the same form, and without draining his stamina. That would be more than enough to anihilate Cell without even breaking a sweat.
Then, the Z fighters would find Babidi and his goons, eliminate them all very quickly and probably Buu would not be a thing.
They would all continue with their training and by the time Beerus woke up they would be much stronger, so when Goku became a Super Ssiyan God he'd also be much stronger than the canon version, probably about as powerful as he was in Resurrection F as a SS Blue, but as SS God and giving Beerus a way better fight.
This means that both Goku and Vegeta would be stronger than their canon versions in every DB Super saga and that SS Blue Evolution and SS Blue + Kaioh Ken x 20 would be mastered earlier on and probably Ultra Instinct as well.
The Supreme Kai's first appearance is his most powerful, obviously much stronger than Kamiccolo. He was almost immediately nerfed below Goten.
Heres something to note, he could visit Earth sooner, but he can't see the future.
Nice
Likely, considering :)
A similar thought experiment to this one would be if the Galactic Patrol got involved sooner.
the most logical spot for him to show himself in is after the cell games, he could of approached gohan and the z fighters to train them this would make it so all the prior events happen as they should, cell wont end up gaining his DNA and more importantly Gohan learns to use his full power, and gains a new reason to keep up with his training. as for goku him training in the other world would allow him to train on and off with the other fighters since they would only be able to train likely a few hours a day and it would help Vegeta to keep his rivalry with goku as they trained together thus once the time came theyd be much more prepared for the upcoming evil vegeta wouldnt sell his soul as he would be able to spar with goku with 7 years and buu wouldnt revive
Hey man I loved your analysis and every but you gotta remember it took Goku 6 months to get to planet namek so the frieze forces might have not even been there and he could have gotten his potential unlocked and wishes some friends back. Then get there potential unlocked and if the supreme Kia would take goku there he wouldn’t have let goku die but most likely train so that buu is never revived. If supreme Kia trains goku then we don’t know how strong he will get
Nice vid. I don't think the Supreme Kai even considers the Z Fighters as potential assets against Buu until the Android/Cell Saga though; they were just too weak on a Universal scale until then. I do think Supreme Kai training would have pushed them to be much stronger after that though. Hell, with that level of training and having Goku still around Gohan may have continued to hold on to the title of the most powerful (he would also have never got into crossfit).
Majin Sole It's about being forward thinking. They could become extremely powerful, especially after demonstrating what they could do on Namek, but Supreme Kai chose to wait. On top of this the Supreme Kai actually would've gotten even more powerful as well due to training with the others, making it even easier for them to succeed. So it's win win for him if he acted sooner.
And yes, damn that crossfit...
Yeah, I guess Frieza was a milestone victory at the time now that I think about it. Also, maybe the Z Fighters could get him to bulk up a little bit.
Supreme Kai arguably could've taken Fat Buu had he has the training of his other Kais, but for some reason they were all killed before this happened. I'm not entirely sure how that works, but considering how powerful the South Kai was and that Supreme Kai said he was the weakest, it implies to me he could've taken him under the proper circumstances. And probably once he fused with Kibito as well.
I think there's a lot of conjecture that relies on the Supreme Kai knowing the future. He's the supreme being of the universe(in his view), that title doesn't come without a huge amount of arrogance. He would not think he needed anyone to help him deal with Babidi, nor would he even think Babidi would be able to resurrect Buu on the first place. He's completely reactionary and all throughout the series hinted nothing at being able to formulate any sort of contingency plan for events that occur, or at least thought that he himself could handle them should they arise.
An Vegeta helped during the Andriod Saga and oh yea also sol btw love the background themes
He didn't know where buu's pod was at and waited for babidi to appear with it
unless bobitty in response to supreme kai's involvement sped up his plans and released Buu early with a truce with the possible allies of Saiyans, Frieza, androids, and or cell then the z fighters would have to face multiple enemies on two fronts
two points:
1. Supreme Kai didn't intervene until it was the gods who were actually in trouble
2. Divine intervention gradually worked its way upward in the DBverse. It started with Kami. Then King Yemma. Then North Kai. Then Kaioshin. Then Whis. Then Beerus. Then Zeno. Next up: Grand Priest. Kaioshin is actually the most important link in the chain, plotwise. He connected the most dots.
cheers.
I would like to see a video on what is the better Anime? Dragon ball or Dragon Ball Z!!!
The struggle for survival is what makes biological stronger, more than just "training" alone.
So any involvement from the Kai before the Buu-Saga would make the Z-Fighters weaker, but he could have prevented the resurrection of Buu.
Good points but i dont know if supreme kai was stronger then perfect cell. Maybe close to or at, but as we know you have to a good amount stronger to be able to fully eradicate cell or he would just reform.
Good video. IMO, I'd say Supreme Kai showing up after the Namek Arc is most probably since at that point Goku would've proven himself one of the most powerful beings alive. He would probably show up during the time Goku was training off world, and personally train him in a manner similar to canon Gohan. If Goku trained the same amount of time as he did in canon, he would probably master the mystic state, and be close to reaching SSJ 2 by the time of the Android Arc.
Plus the end when they fought super perfect Cell. he might have felt there power at this point
was there a remake of dbz? (i know there was kai, but i saw you showed a very recent remake in this video)
I almost shit a brick at the end thinking that someone had hacked my pc and started moving through my youtube, lmao.
What if raditz was more like goku and never was evil
Great video. For real, the Surpeme Kai is thousands years old...one would expect him to be more insightful and carefully monitoring the Z fighters and even help them, yet he was very naive. And for the lot of God, if King Kai new about Freezer, why didn´t he form a group of people to band togather and fight him, or ask the Supreme Kai to do something about it. He was a tyrant the universe would have been better off with.
Marcio Angulo Aponte in super they explained that freeza worked for beerus.
the supreme kaios considered too risky attempting to destroy Boo, it was also deemed unnecessary since there was no person who knew the way to free him (or at least so they thought); they only came after Babidi's arrival to stop him from waking Boo up. Anyway, in the fight between Boo and Kaio Shin, Boo was restraining himself since he had been instructed by Babidi to make the Kaio suffer. Also, when Kibito-Shin tries to go back to planet supreme to assist Goku and Vegeta in their fight against boo, he is told By the elder Kaio that "if he attempts to help them for a period of time, that period has already ended" meaning that he would resist a few seconds at best, and that was despite they using the potara earrings fussion, so I don't think Kaio was much stronger than Piccolo or perfect cell, I even doubt he was at the same level.
You forgot 3 facts.
First Goku and Vegeta said Dabura had the same power level as Perfect Cell and since Supreme Kai was afraid by him that shows us he is weaker than Perfect Cell.
Secondly Vegeta wasn't impressed at all by Piccolo's growth in the time chamber so his growth wasn't as great as super saiyan 2.
Lastly Picollo said before the Tournament from the Buu saga that he didn't train during the 7 years and he was also easily defeated by Dabura which was equal to Perfect Cell.
I have a what if scenario to ask u?
did the buu saga happen in trunks timeline? how would it effect the later battle of gods revail of f and gt in trunks timeline?
Gotenks Son there is in the manga(I fogot which),basically.spoiling:
trunks trained whit suprem kai archieved ssj2 and destroyed darbula and babidi before buu was revived.
How would Earth blowing up affect Majin Buu's egg?, would it just float around in space?, considering that the Supreme Kai didn't seem to care much for the risk of Earth being destroyed? (with the Sayans, Freezer and Cell).
Freeza was sent by Barrus to take out the Saiyans so it makes sense that the kais would know of him /fear stepping in directly.
+coconuthunterlemons The stuff you're saying was written and thought up decades after the fact and we still don't know to what degree Frieza was told/allowed to destroy the planet.
I was just wondering if training with the supreme Kai wouldn't have compensated for the lack of training in the capsule corp ship during the saiyan saga. I'm thinking mystic goku and gohan, but I'm not sure of the prerequisites for achieving that state, therefore I defer to u fine gentlemen
If he got passed zarbon and dodoria there’s a good chance he gets zen kais that will put him on a level to contend with the ginyu force
"Even Yamcha" hahaha
What if the supreme Kai intervened before Goku killed Freiza and told him to let him live because he'll need him for Majin Buu. Would this make a good guy Frieza
The problem with this analysis is that it assumes that everything will unfold as it did. For example the part about Cell not having androids to absorb would not occur because something more akin to the butterfly effect would happen. Cell would either have been created without the need to absorb androids or would not be created at all if Supreme Kai intervened. Also we may have had an altogether different set of challenges.
But this is all fun and games so I'll pipe down now.