How Strong Are Androids 19 and 20? Dragon Ball
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- How STRONG are Androids 19 and 20 in Dragon Ball? How Strong is Android 19? How Strong is Doctor Gero? What are their Power Levels? Laughingstock Media and Dragon Ball Nation break down how strong Android 19 and Android 20 are in the Cell Saga of the Dragon Ball Z Anime and Manga!
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My predictions are stronger than Master Roshi but weaker than Beerus
I Have A Blank Face That's a pretty big field
I'd say they're stronger than Mr. Satan but weaker than Zeno
I Have A Blank Face stronger than chi chi but weaker than grand priest
I Have A Blank Face stronger than Yamcha with the heart virus but weaker than fusion Zeno
19 and 20 can defeat Beerus if they learn Ki control.
he would have won but he lost power by absorbing some of yamchas power
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Always clowning Yamcha smh
Never thought about this before, but Piccolo's power jumps pretty dramatically in that 3 year training period. 1 million to above Frieza and without a transformation. Not too shabby.
I think it's because he was Goku sparring partner.
Karl Starns same thing I was thinkin b4 I read this
1. Goku is told by Future Trunks that everyone aside from Gohan were killed by the androids who died later on and that Trunks was alone while dealing with 2 Androids both of whom are stronger than Future Trunks. So the fact that everyone was going to be a lot stronger and that Goku himself would be there might have seemed enough in Goku's head. Also I think Goku trained with Piccolo a lot more in trying to get him stronger since if Piccolo died Kami dies and thus no dragon ball anymore.
@Jonathan Tremonti he wasnt stated to be stronger than SSJ Goku from the Namek Saga. But it wss stated that Frieza was stronger than he was on Namek.
Piccolo fought better than sick ssj goku.
stronger than windows 3 frieza weaker than windows 7 17 and 18
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It is just riddiculous how a human professor can just create a robot being stronger than the emperor of the universe frieza who destroyed several planets including a whole warrior Race of saiyans... at this point, power levels absolutely made no sense
Bruh it's fiction the stronger version of superman is also a robot. Iron man made a robot suit to fight the hulk 🤷♂️ sometimes you gotta let go and just enjoy
Well that human is smarter than anyone else, and it was all done all of goku's life, he just did not create them in 1 year it took more than 20 years to make them
Bulma made a Time Machine something that impressed the highest gods. So it's not that crazy because according to DBZ lore Time machine is even crazier.
actually it does, as he said he spent YEARS (30+ years experience) working on super technological androids and studying different warriors...
like bulma can make a fucking time machine remember ? technology is crazy in dragon ball, just for a reminder
I think Toriyama tried to end Z with the leader of the Red Ribbon Army, one of the main villains from Dragon Ball. So when he first showed up as Android 20 he seemed much more menacing and threatening than he actually was.
Mecha Saiyan Gero was not the leader of the Red Ribbon Army, he was a scientist that worked for them. Commander Red was the leader.
The whole reason i found out that dragonball the show existed is because of dr gero . I went back to watch it looking for him
I think this was pretty solid analysis, Android 19 and 20 being weaker than Frieza, has never made sense.
Piccolo working his entire life to reach a power level of 1 million, then increasing it more than 120 fold in 3 years to be stronger than frieza is what makes no sense.
@@KingDerek58 to be fair, it's pretty proportional compared to all of the other power jumps he had: 23rd Budokai, Saiyan arc etc.
Really goes to show how op Picollo would be with the Kaioken
Palmtop Studios and let’s not talk about vegetas big jumps on namke saga haha. Him being at 22,000 after fighting goku was ok m. When vegeta first was seen in earth he was 18,000. Then he went from 22,000 to 30,000 after he got healed when zarbin beat his ass. Then he gets beats up by rikum then he eats a senzu beam and increases his power then after that quick nap he got to 530,000 just like FRIEZA which didn’t make sense. Then after healed by dende he got into the millions 2-3 million.
@@palmtop_studios Yet, SS2 was hyped up to be this HUGE increase and that was only a x2 uplift. None of the saiyans, Goku or Vegeta, can fight Frieza without Super Saiyan.
I think 50% Frieza level is the benchmark.
I don’t think Frieza would beat them regardless with their energy absorption technique. Even if he is stronger he’s going to get pissed that they are giving him a challenge and start spamming ki blasts.
Weaker than Android 17 and 18
GeekListTV Ha! Thought the same thing when i seen vid title
GeekListTV they pale in comparison to our Lord and savior Mr.Satan
cool video
I usually put them at around 60-80 million pre-energy absorption, like they would be a threat to Frieza only if he underestimated them and they managed to grab him. My reasoning is that they didn't know of the super saiyan form, and when they found Yamcha they commented that they had assumed that to be Goku's energy. If that were the case even Goku's x20 kaioken wouldn't have even been enough to defeat them. They could trash anyone in their projections but Gero couldn't beat Piccolo, and I couldn't imagine Piccolo breaking 100 mil by himself within four years of his fight with Frieza. And, while it goes out the window with 17 & 18, I can't imagine Gero being capable of modifying himself so far as to compete with 100% Frieza, someone who had conquered hundreds of life-supporting planets and never found a single being to go all out against
I think the androids were durable for their power levels and considered their ability to absorb energy an ace in the hole, but I wouldn't put their raw power output anywhere near Goku's first super saiyan transformation
60-809 million still so huge and it’s crazy
The Androids may have posed a challenge, but they weren't powerful enough to be considered a threat. When Vegeta reached Ascended Super Saiyan, even Cell was outclassed for a time, until he achieved his "Perfect" Form.
My dude, what about when 18 broke ssj vegetas arm!
They so totally could've been villians.
Dr. Gero: 90,000,000
#19: 81,000,000
Dr. Gero did state that he didn't keep track of Goku's progress on Namek as he thought there was no need so he didn't know about Freeza or the Super Saiyan transformation.
I think their strength is left ambiguous because they can absorb energy and make it their own. When it comes to physical strength, my guess would be somewhere between King Cold and Trunks mostly because the two years spent training made the Androids look weaker than how they would have been.
you should do a video on Garlic Jr i haven't seen anyone do one of him
As a side note, after re-watching the Android/Cell Saga recently, I've gotten really interested in the Androids again. 19 is definitely a new favorite of mine in particular. He and Gero may not be the strongest villains by far, but I still like them anyway since they represent the last, real soldiers of the Red Ribbon Army. 16, 17 and 18 took so much time in following their programming that they ultimately never accomplished their goal. 19 and Gero were also the _original_ new villains Toriyama had in mind when starting the new saga. His _first_ choices. And I think that fact goes just a little underappreciated. 19's programming also allowed him to be the strongest android _while_ still maintaining complete loyalty to Gero and the mission against Goku. I feel he represented a good balance. I also _reeeally_ wish he had made it to Budokai 2 and 3.
I always felt the PLs went this way:
Mecha Frieza 145,000,000
King Cold 120,000,000
SSJ Future Trunks 165,000,000
SSJ Goku 180,000,000
Android 19 (with energy absorbed) 175,000,000
Android 20 ( with energy absorbed) 185,000,000
SSJ Goku (heart virus) 225,000,000
SSJ Vegeta 250, 000,000
Piccolo 200,000,000
I feel like you guys didn't cover all the details. In particular, the line about Goku and Trunks when they spar, implies that both are holding back. Trunks says it was all he could do to escape the androids, and when he returns, he says he could at least fight his androids. This implies that Trunks made gains during the 3 years of training. Also piccolo heard Trunks explain the androids are stronger than him. That means that everyone who showed up to fight the androids should've been at the very least Freeza tier. Piccolo and Goku both reiterate that if you don't have confidence then don't show up. If they can't beat Freeza how could they beat android who are stronger than SSJs'? One other thing is Piccolo, and how he thinks he can beat the androids. This means he is stronger than SSJ Goku (Yardrat) and SSJ Trunks at the same time. Goku explained that he and Trunks were both suppressed during their spar, and thus Piccolo needs to be stronger than the suppressed SSJs' at this point. The last point is dealing with Piccolo's power in relation to No. 17. Based on how the the Assimilation worked on Namek, anything less than a 10x boost is just purely made up based on nothing. Nail was 42,000, and even if we make Piccolo 20x his Saiyan saga self, he is only a 70,000. After combining the 2, you still need a minimum of 10x to be on Freeza tier. So imo, Piccolo needs to be above Freeza but 10 less than No. 17. No. 19 and 20 should be stronger than suppressed Frreeza, but could also be stronger based on how well 19 did against Goku. Also sick Goku needs to be stronger than Yardrat Goku, as Tenshinhan and Yamcha were impressed with is fight against No. 19. However even with Goku's energy, he still couldn't really hurt Vegeta. So I feel 19 and 20 are actually weaker than Freeza, otherwise we have some massive jumps in power levels, there is no way around that.
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why is it so hard for people to believe that Androids 19 and 20 are stronger than Frieza. I think there slightly above his power and when you add on the fact that the androids can absorb energy, Namek Frieza starts to pale in comparison
Because this new breed of db fans can’t accept the fact that piccolo’s power is comparable to ssj level
I feel like people are forgetting that Cyborg Freeza never actually powered up... he was still at his base/resting form, which was just 3 Million, plus whatever the cybernetic enhancements did. Trunks never gave him a chance to reach 100% like Goku did--we know at that level Freeza's muscles are visibly bulging--so the fact that Freeza was easily trounced by Trunks doesn't mean that Trunks was at 180 Million (or whatever arbitrarily high number).
I think 100% Freeza could have taken on 19 and 20.
I think you have it backwards. 19 was the one barely able to keep up with Goku before the heart virus took effect. Before that, Goku was the one in control of the fight. He was the one landing all the punches and tossing 19 around.
or 19 vs chioatzu because 19 looks like a depressed diabetic chioatzu
lmao
Also since your buddy's name is Harold, any connection to Harold Meachum frm Iron Fist?
If i had to guess, final form frieza but not 100% frieza. Piccolo did quite well against gero.
In my opinion, they both have the same level as the Namek Spirit Bomb, who was able to injure Frieza at half his power, and Mecha Frieza received enhancements to probably, even at his half-power, deal with something bigger like Goku in Super Saiya-jin would soon be at least close to the level of the Namek Genki-Dama, which would be ≤ Frieza at most, hence suggesting that Mecha Frieza would at most double those levels, and would already be more than enough to kill these Androids.
Making the video 10 minutes for that ad revenue/money now are we LaughingStock? ;)
So I take it Harold agrees with Toriyama's editor at the time about the Cell Saga villains?
I agree. The only problem, and the reason many people probably believe they are weaker than frieza, is the fact that piccolo is able to defeat them. It is odd, to think that piccolo could get stronger than frieza in a period of 3 years, while goku and vegeta (who have a growth rate far faster than piccolo), are implied not to have gotten stronger than frieza in base form over the entirety of the series, not including super
I think I like your and Josh's take on the same topic Geekdom 101 and MozillaVulpix's do better aside from the really in depth one hour long videos she does with HailZeon yeah.
Hi I just subbed I saw a vid on how to get stronger universe 7 .. and I came from there so yah .. love the vids man 🙂
Brother can you do please al the andriods. Powerscaling From 1 to 21 is it right?
you're just kinda claiming that piccolo is stronger than frieza after the time skip aren't you?
I say that the when they first started off initially they were probably around third form freiza but not superior to him but when they started absorbing the energy they started getting powerful
You do know 3rd form frieza's pl was like 2 mil right?
Which is probably their real power level given how Piccolo easily defeated Android 20.
19 managed to take several solid blows from SSj Goku, who while weakening from the virus, was never implied to be so weak that he was even beneath his post Yardrat self. And after absorbing his energy he still managed to survive some blows from SSj Vegeta, who was stronger than a hypothetical healthy Android arc Goku. And you could say that sure, 19 was strong enough to not be insta killed by Vegeta only because he absorbed some of Goku's energy, but if the theory is that 19 was equal to 3rd form Frieza and Goku was so weakened that his SSj was somehow only slightly or moderately stronger, then it makes zero sense for 19 to even last a second against Vegeta even with that extra power.
Piccolo also outright had his power compared to that of a SSj, which would not have happened unless he was at least in the ballpark range of SSj Namek Goku.
The most logical thing is that 19 is about as strong as Cyborg Frieza when he came to Earth, 20/Gero is slightly stronger, weakened SSj Goku is slightly stronger than him, Piccolo is above that weakened Goku, and Vegeta is decisively stronger than Piccolo.
Bruce Almighty they're no where near 100% final form Frieza. We see base Goku hit 20 in the face and he actually managed to push him back. Not to mention that Goku was stated to be very weak and getting weaker with the heart virus. Piccolo was also never compared to a Ssj in power. He was only compared to them because he got a large increase from just training normally for 3 years.
Piccolo on Namek managed to knock 50% Frieza quite a distance away, and Kid Trunks did the same to Fat Buu. Neither of them were close to their respective opponents, just that their opponents weren't on guard. Gero didn't seem to be fully expecting such a direct attack, so he got slightly staggered. Doesn't mean Goku in base form was even close to Gero. And if we go by the logic of Goku being within spitting spitting distance of Gero in base, he should have absolutely wrecked the stated weaker 19 the second he went SSj.
Goku was growing weaker, that much is true. But it did not seem readily apparent till he had thrown down for a few moments. Also, weaker he may be, but there is absolutely no chance he had weakened so much his SSj was anywhere near his normal base level. That doesn't make an ounce of sense, and in Universe everyone should have freaked out at how low his ki was. Yet we have Tien absolutely gobsmacked by the power radiating off of Goku, yet he'd clearly sensed him just after Trunks turned Frieza to cold cuts, while Goku was in SSj. It isn't till we have someone who knows his true power, and how strong Goku normally is, that actually pointed out he wasn't as strong as he should be.
The implication is, that at least at the start of the fight, that Goku was on par or above his post Yardrat self, but still below his theoretical max at the time, and only got weaker with every move he made.
Plus, if 19 and Gero were so weak, in the range of base Goku as you implied, there is no real way that 19 adding a weakened Goku's energy would have been, or should have been enough to contend with SSj Vegeta even for a second, as he was at least healthy SSj Goku's equal, and strong enough to fodderize Frieza.
Krillin also outright said that despite not being a SSj, Piccolo was incredibly powerful. Which is a fairly good implication that Piccolo should have been at least in the low SSj range. Of course to back that up, we have Piccolo outright wreck Gero even worse than Goku or Vegeta wrecked 19, with at least as much ease as Vegeta had against 19. Gero also stated he was a superior model to 19, and he'd already taken some of Piccolo's energy. So while it is obvious that SSj Vegeta is much stronger than Piccolo, implications are still that Piccolo is very much in the SSj tier, given Krillin's statement, and the ease with which he dominated the cyborg Gero.
How do you calculate the Namekian Assimilation?
+Laughingstock Media What if Future Trunks stayed in the past during the 3 years between the death of Mecha Frieza and the introduction of Androids 19 and 20? How would this affect the events of the Android and Cell arcs and beyond?
Without watching the video I say around 70-100% Frieza or at max SSJ1 Namek goku level let's see if I was right.
Meh I was close enough.
how strong is android 13? would #13 be above imperfect cell?(before absorb humans)
super android 13 was probably semi perfect cell level as its before cell arc.
Somewhere between Ginyu Frog and Harold von Hugenmuscles Left Bicep. ~_~
holy cow im early
They have energy sucker so theoretically they can become as strong as their battery can hold. they just need a bigger battery to be stronger.
Yeah I agree with mostly everything said but I don't understand how jack took sasuke sword if they both are frenemys. Also aku would notice 19 and 20 are weak compared to the titans in episode 27
too much internet for today
Kevo Jack took Sasuke's sword because the directors confused him with The King of the duels Jack Atlas.
I think that the impact of kenshiro and saitama punching each other was made inferior by when wolf fang fist met fang over fang.... imo
Kevo What tha FACK are you talkin bout?
These comments are cancer
I wonder why Gero didnt give 17 and 18 energy absorbing abilities
Because they are endless energy models.
I love how everyone's trippin over park ranger 17s power lol
BloodRaven Gaming Park Ranger 17 been stopping Yogi and Booboo for years he even trained with Smokey to prevent wild fires
BloodRaven Gaming Agreed! 17 was bad ass to start +10 years. vegeta trained solo for along time and no one flips after he powers up.
Brandin Owens If you are talking about Vegeta after the Namek saga, that's because his power increase in power was mostly accredited to him unlocking super saiyan, not his training. But even so the strength he gained from his training was well earned as he pushed himself to the absolutely limit (with the help of the gravity machine and the hardships of outer space), to the point where he felt like he was going to die every, single day, for those 3 years. If you are talking about the 7 year gap after Buu he didn't get THAT much stronger. He managed to fight Goku on even footing mostly accredited to Babidi's magic and him unlocking ssj2.
Android 17 on the other hand, what boulders and fought poachers for 10 years straight and he's forcing Goku to use Blue?
Then again the androids power NEVER made any sense.
Thankfully fixed in the recent manga chapter. No SSB nonsense.
personally, if they were ever supposed to feel like a threat then i think 19 and 20 alone would have had to have been strong enough to smash freeza into the dirt.
It would be awesome if they brought back android 16 for the tournament
Lol nope he is way to weak are you on crack lol jk
I actually desagree, when Dr. Gero built his androids he didn't have Freiza's power as a reference, neither SSJ power. This was only intel that cell had through the mechanical bug that collected blood samples. This is why even as an ill SSJ both androids where shocked of how powerfull Goku was (while Piccolo is shoked on how weak Goku has become). Piccolo was near the SSJ level showned by Trunks, but not quiet at his same level. This would make since, that Picolo could now beat people near SSJ (like Freiza and Cold who are not vastly inferior to SSJ's).
Depends on how much they've absorbed.
It’s crazy watching old dragon ball thinking one day gero will be stronger than frieza.
Personally, I feel that Goku's power level after Namek didn't really go up until the Hyperbolic Time Chamber. His time on Yardrat was spent learning to go Super Saiyan at will and learning the Instant Transmission. He explicitly mentions the natives of Yardrat aren't that powerful, so he probably didn't go up in power by training with them. Goku arriving on Earth was probably still at 150,000,000 as a SSJ. Trunks is clearly weaker than Goku, maybe around 130,000,000. Frieza was stronger than he'd been on Namek, but not by a meaningful amount in my mind. Maybe 125,000,000. Just enough to make him overconfident (he was already sure he could beat SSJ Goku by reaching 100%, and had no way of actually sensing Goku's energy to know exactly what the gap between the two of them was).
During the three years of training after Trunks' arrival, Goku didn't have anyone on his level to train against. We see in a manga cover that Goku trains as a Super Saiyan against Piccolo and base Gohan during the time skip, likely trying to bring them up to his level. After all, Trunks seemed under the impression that Goku was already powerful enough to make a difference against the Androids. So I figure Piccolo probably reached Frieza levels, around 120,000,000 or a little higher. I figure Gohan's base is probably 6,000,000-12,000,000, and he's able to multiply that by 10-20 times thanks to having his potential unlocked by Guru, letting him fight at a power level similar to Piccolo's.
When Android 19 and 20 show up, I don't believe either are actually stronger than Frieza. I'd guess 19 is around 60,000,000-75,000,000, around the same ballpark as Frieza's 50%. Powerful enough to survive being pummeled by SSJ Goku, but not strong enough to fight back. After absorbing Goku's Kamehameha, I'd say 19 gets up to 125,000,000, while Goku's own power level was diminishing the whole fight, probably dropping below 100,000,000 after the Kamehameha. For Android 20, I'd say he's in the same ballpark as 19, maybe just slightly stronger. 65,000,000-80,000,000. Well below Piccolo's 120,000,000 at the time. It isn't until Androids 17 and 18 are released that I think any villains show up who are really, truly stronger than Namek Goku.
I wanna see yajarobi vs android 19
they were introduced in the androids arc not the cell arc.
depends on who gets absorbed
They would have been stronger if Yokohama stated to the vision of making them the two main villians
We never saw gero fight
They got stronger when they got gains. (Yarrr)
They are around freeza/higher with out energy and with the energy they absorbed they are around namek saga ssj goku/higher IMO.
the godly flame soulaymana lol no they were much stronger than frieza
a h thats why i said higher then ssh goku
the godly flame soulaymana oh ok didn't read properly
deffo between namek ssj goku and post yardrat goku closer to the latter
the godly flame soulaymana i would say they are 60,000 Million.. there is no indication they are on 100% frieza level.
40 million is actually extreme low-balling a jump in goku's power after a few years.
In Power Levels I'd say both are around the 170-190 million range
More like 130-140M
Why isn't there an android 16 in the future with trunks?
The timeline shifted from the time travel and caused 16 to be unleashed in the main timeline. 16 remained unactivated in Trunks' future timeline.
trunks exploited freiza's inability to sense ki, this is not a fan wank trunks is a no nonsense kinda guy he wanted to end the conflict without causing as much interference in history as he could.
we never get to see Mecha Freiza go all out, this is referenced by krillin telling Tein & Yamcha the power they sense is only the tip if the iceberg.
imo 19-20 fall beneath freiza as they were built with powers not incorporating the battles on namek and thus SSJ 50x boost was not even factored. most likely they were built upon thorised Base maximum
Siyovaxsh En-sipad-zid-ana yes Freiza threw one attack in the manga Witch Trunks chooses to dodge flanking Freiza with a sneak attack taking advantage of Freiza's inability to sense. Freiza was rebuilt with namek SSJ Goku's power in mind and was confident he could defeat him with his new found power. Trunks is stated around Namek Saga SSJ Goku's power and this is shown in his choice to dodge and flank Freiza rather than engage him in a frontal assault.
19-20 "were" intended to be the main enemy yes. however this was retconned, we can see their power was Nerfed massively by their easy defeat at the hands of Piccolo & Vegeta (they just weren't built to contend with the SSJ multiplyer).
The battle with 19 took everything vageta had to win because when he won he had no energy left and gero could of killed him he was just pretending it was nothing
They were below frieza by a big margain, vegeta who just turned into super saiyen grinded them do dust.
They also said vageta was stronger than goku when Goku was a super sayian himself. And goku defeated frieza
its OVER 9000 *CRACK*
I hear all these numbers.. and they all sound completely meaningless.. almost like I'm trying to understand Chinese. What's the point even? Even the series creator gave up on power levels and tracking it through scouters because it just wasn't sustainable.
Honestly, Frieza would have a field day with 19 or 20 if they fought 1-on-1.
Obviously they are just as strong as super saiyan blue Goku. Dragonball Super has taught us well! /s
Android saga and imperfect cell saga, my power level list:
Mecha Frieza = 140 million
Trunks ssj = 180 million
goku ssj = 190 million (90 million during heart virus)
vegeta ssj = 185 million
gohan base (3 years training for androids) = 490,000
piccolo (3 years training for androids) = 105 million
tien = 150,000
krillin = 100,000
yamcha = 80,000
Android 20/Dr Gero = 95 million
Android 19 = 100 million
Android 18 = 195 million
Android 17 = 205 million
Android 16 = 240 million
piccolo kami fusion = 210 million
Imperfect cell = 200 million
Imperfect cell after absorbing humans = 230 million
i thought then point of them wasnt that they were strong, they made their opponents weak.
19 was at around Piccolo's level (first trunks saga) and got a slight boost from absorbing Yamcha's power. the boost he got from Goku put him at Gero's level. Gero was. about equal with sick Goku. Vegeta was way stronger than Goku at that time. Goku only passed Vegeta by Zenkai boost. he was literally dying while fighting 19. Piccolo was stronger than sick Goku. He was the second strongest in the pack at the time. Judging by how the fights went.
I think around frieza (full power level )
At first, both 18 and 20 seem to be weaker than Mecha-Frieza. Only until they absorbed a lot of energy from Goku, Yamcha, Piccolo, and Vegeta they likely gotten stronger. However they are still no match for the Future Androids.
You said Vegeta in his full power was much closer to #19 than Dr. Gero? Where the hell did you pull that out from? Vegeta would have destroyed Gero.
I think their starting power is a bit above ssj namek goku but below goku post yardrat
That feels right.
here's a fun fact
19 was weaker then goku
Before he absorbed gokus kamamama
Krillians power level was 100,000 thousand
But cells in his first form was 800,000,000 million
So ya
Man... I had a big ass forehead back in the days!
If you hated gero, what did you think of 19
LOL
Why does everyone think Cyborg Frieza's power increase was so little? Did you see how much he bragged? How his scientists said he had reched levels beyond his imagination? So an extra 10million? Is beyond? Cyber Frieza is more like 500million. It works perfectly with the way characters increase in powerin dbz.
I always the part we’re gero absorbing piccolo but still being beaten was bullshit. A lot of it was done because editorial interference. I always imagined the 19 and gero like rouge of the X-men. They would just grow stronger and stronger. That’s how the entire arc should of been handled. I think the one to ultimately beat the androids should of been bulma. Not the same old formula of big power up beats the bad guy.
Stronger then Namek Freeza only
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I think you are drastically highballing the androids there tbh. The only reason 19 didn't go out like a bitch after a few hits from goku was that goku's attacks didn't pack any punch due to the heart virus wearing him down. Look at how easily vegeta tore through 19 _after_ he took some of goku's energy, and vegeta was only a bit stronger than goku at that point. Then add in how easily gero got owned by piccolo, someone who was noticably weaker than any of the super saiyans.
So there's no way that 19 would be close in power to future trunks' SSJ state after taking goku's energy (what little he had left after the virus was already fucking him up internally), if he was then no way vegeta would have had such an easy time beating him, yet instead he tore through him like wet paper. So yeah, the good doctor and his robosexual life partner definitely weren't that strong.
Just wondering why after the frieza arc. Why do people assume they gained so much power. It was hard for them to train for a few thousands. Why didn't people just awesome maybe meecha frieza could have been only 5,000 more then ssj gpku so he felt he could beat him. Trunks could have been 40,000 higher when he came back. Why he had no issues. And gero about the same. So it makes more sense that the 3 year gap they gained about that much. And so on. 40,000 is more then enough to dominate someone. Goliath was 20,00 above frieza if I remember correctly. But goku still had a hard time fighting him. People seem to think that they gain so much now.
Id say maybe a little bit weaker, equally powerful, or s little bit more powerful then freeza
I actually don't agree that a19 and a20 are stronger than 100% frieza let alone mecha frieza. And what do you mean they weren't putting these guys down with minimal effort? Do you not remember Piccolo handedly outclassing a20 and cutting off his arm with a single swipe of his hand AFTER a20 had gotten some of piccolo's energy? This would imply that piccolo is at least 2x a20. You claim that a20 is 2x 100% frieza more or less, which would make piccolo 4x 100% frieza. On Namek, piccolo matched 2nd form frieza and, for a conservative estimate, lets say 1% final form frieza is 2x 2nd form frieza. This means piccolo got least 800x stronger during the 3 year training period. Now you can probably see the issue with this.
To be clear this was a20 as he was shown in this situation. Had a20 absorbed more energy, I am comfortable believing his power could have multiplied several times. This is head cannon but I have piccolo getting around 20x stronger at best (still think 20x would be insane) which would put him ONLY around 10% frieza. Either Toriyama blundered having piccolo wreck a20 like that or they are really weak before they can get a substantial amount of energy. I'd like to think that s19 was FAR stronger than a20 after having absorbed vegeta's energy.
Well I think that androids 19 and 20 were weaker than Frieza. when piccolo first fought Frieza was roughly at a 1,700,000 or a little higher to be beating 2nd form Frieza who's power was at 1,600,000 to expect piccolo to get over at least over 80× his power to even match full power Frieza in 4 years is kinda absurd even training with goku they still had gohan who significantly held them back and from what we saw goku did not even go super sayian. so piccolo after 4 years of training who should be weaker than frieza at that time with all the variables was dominating android 20 even after he absorbed energy from piccolo. If piccolo that should be weaker than Frieza at his full power was dominating android 20 and android 20 and 19 were about the same I would put them at the most at 20~40 Frieza. To give piccolo a almost 100× increase in power is to insane and too unlikely to happen and saying that androids who can't even beat him are stronger than Frieza at full power just dosen't add up. but that's my opinion and I enjoy the video so thanks Laughingstockmedia!
if they weren't stronger than Freeza I feel like that's something that they would have said. Everyone thought piccolo was close to super saiyan level(and thats after seeing vegeta). SSJs were stronger than freeza. Of course trunks is the one that had fought the other androids. But Goku was also able to beat them a different timeline. I'd say that their stronger than freeza but still below ssj.
here's the thing goku's power went from around 900 at max, to over 8,000 in one year. And then it went to 90,000 in less than a year. So a 20 times increase in 4 years is more than doable.
also piccolo had increased potential from fusing with nail permanently.
my guess is that they would have been stronger than ssj without training. But potentially not. Still even the original 18 and 17 would supposedly be weaker and they still managed. They might have been weaker than SSJ no matter what. It's impossible to say everyone trained themselves. And That ssj was still able to beat freeza and the androids.
But Vegeta was stronger than freeza. Vegeta had kept up with most of freeza's forms. Worst than Goku but still. Vegeta was probably stronger than third form freeza. Plus being brought back to life, 3-4 years of training plus ssj. he was most than likely stronger.
the thing is that he still rekted them so bad so... and let's say its' freeza versus the androids, they still have the nergy absorbing thing so they'd probably kill freeza. They have more potential than the lazy freeza in that sense.
Golden. Based on the fact that Vegeta wasn't that far off Goku on Namek and he then trained for three years and achieved ssj it's quite possible he was stronger than the namek goku that beat freeza, who was stronger than freeza.
also take into account two things. Usually the newest enemy is stronger than the last one(though grunts can be weaker), and that 19 and 20 were the original androids in the manga. And yes goku had 4 years and he was already stronger than freeza before he began training specifically for the androids, so he wouldn't need a major increase. But he had piccolo as a training partner, and piccolo had Goku. That's enough for a huge increase.
It's impossible to tell since their level can't be sense and they weren't strong enough to put up a fight anyway. But it should be noted that Goku and vegeta were both artifically stronger than they would have been in the normal timeline. ANd that 17 and 18 also didn't know about anything that happened on namek and they wiped out the saiyans.
It's impossible to know if they were as strong, stronger, or weaker than freeza. But even inbetween the raditz and piccolo saga, goku got stronger. Even if it isn't much. They are get stronger because they continue training even if it isn't huge. That's goku and vegeta four years stronger. Goku's freeza fight so even if they were as strong as freeza, they wouldn't be able toput up much of a fight. But gero predicting and surpassed how much power he would need to murder goku with the androids. He probably thought he had enough without them. But he probably didn't want to be close.
as well, let's say its freeza vs the androids and I think the androids would win because of their ability to absorb energy attacks and drain it.
They're definitely not strong. If Android 20 is stronger than Android 19, then he doesn't need to run and hide. Android 19 fought 2 SS warriors where Dr. Gero himself couldn't beat one namek. The Z-Fighters on the other hand should have kept the scouter when the Saiyans first came to earth because they couldn't sense the Androids. Until they can figure out their powers, then there is no evidence that they're stronger than Mecha Frieza.
they always say "he may be stronger than Goku" and I believe Goku should have been stronger than Vegeta although I do believe they were very close at that point. the heart virus played a huge role but gave Vegeta a "chance to shine" since its the first time we are seeing him Super Saiyan.
If Goku had a power level of 180 milliom on Namek, lets say he is 220-240 million prior to his heart virus I would put Android 19 around 160-180 million and 20 around 200 mill. Both stronger than Freiza on Namek but not much stronger
180 million? to high
at the very most i would put the Andriod at 150 million after he absorbed goku's power
19 and 20 are stronger then frieza, ssj goku
They were the same. Gero was bluffing and he is dumb enough to make androids stronger than himself.
Why is 20 weaker than 18 at very least I mean you do think he’d make himself as strong as possible
i have blue balls, someone please help. :(
your fine
Stronger Than Frieza But Weaker than Android 17 & 18
after19 absorbs gokus power he was stronger than vegeta ....he bluffed and needed a senzu after 19 even absorbed some of vegetas power
Stronger than Mecha Freeza weaker than Cooler
Mecha Frieza would rape the shit out of Cooler.
***** Mecha Frieza > Frieza > Cooler.
I hate how everybody is all the sudden stronger then frieza. Dude was emperor of the galaxy and now he getting stomped by a fat robot!?
3 year training from z fighters and new villains lol makes sense tbh
If 17 is able to keep up with ssb. Then 19 and 20 couldn't be stronger than chaotzu
And who tf is yamcha. Sounds a lot like Raditz
Mecha frieza HAD to have a higher power than the 130M your giving him. He was confident he could beat goku who had a 150M last time they fought.
I'd place him 155-160M
dbz made it cleared the lower the android number was the stronger they were so basically #16 was stronger than #17, #17 stronger than #18, #18 > #19, #19 > #20 i dont know why ya go against that logic and would think that dr gero was stronger than #19
19 is powerful