Simon Jordan ARGUES With Martin Keown Over Why FA Cup Replays Are NOT Important To EFL Clubs đ±đ„
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 18. 04. 2024
- talkSPORT's Simon Jordan clashes with Martin Keown over why he insists FA Cup replays are not that important to EFL clubs.
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The worst thing about thus was the FA consulting the Premier League but not the EFL who have the majority of the teams in the competition.
Prem teams bring the sponsors
I'm more bothered about the complete dismantling of a competition that once had magic and now has nothing unique about it, semis at the same ground at the final is a joke aswell. Screw the FA
I totally agree!! âœâœâœâœâœ
They killed the fa cup magic when they put the semis at Wembley...neutral grounds in the semis have had many fantastic games and magic moments which at Wembley doesn't have!đđč
Simon Jordan would argue that black is white just to start an argument
đ€Ą unsubstantiated
And heâd still win that argument against Keown đđđ
That's a grey area...
Don't you actually listen to what he's saying?
In order to maintain the elite fixings
A chance of a replay against a big club for the smaller club means a hell of a lot to those fans not to mention the immediate local economic benefits of the smaller clubs and towns, they have no right to do this
Players need more rest, deal with it
@@user-zn4hs8ky5qplayers back in the day played 42 league matches instead of 38 in a 22 team league, FA Cup matches didn't only go to 1 replay if it wasnt decided, it went to a 2nd replay, a 3rd replay and even a 4th or 5th if needed, every League Cup match was a 2 legged affair other than the final
@@user-zn4hs8ky5qoh...and that was with far smaller squads
Well they have every right to do it and they are
â@@Jackman1stfascinating explanation you've given there
The payment that Jordan is referencing is ÂŁ33M. Divide that by 700 you get ÂŁ42,000 each. It's not going to be an equal split payment so the clubs aren't going to receive ÂŁ42,000. It's laughable. One replay at a ground in the Championship or Premier League pays a club much more than ÂŁ42,000. It's not fair, it's not for the betterment of the competition and it's shamelessly disgraceful.
True but how many of these 700 clubs will get a replay with a big club to get a revenue getter than this 42k
We all know it wonât be split up that way. The Championship clubs will probably get 25-30 million of that . A replay at Arsenal , Man United is worth something like half a million quid to a small club so even 42k isnât that much is it?
Hardly any clubs get big replays it's emotional tripe
@@pnefc2what a load of gash đ€Ą
@@smokeyj3828 why?
Disgraceful decision
No problem with European or champion league foodball timetable ..happy to fly to dubai. .it's all about money and greed
Next they'll begin seeding teams, based on league position. 1 vs 64, 2 vs 63 etc. - keep the best teams apart for as long as possible.
Money and greed ruins everything !
The smaller teams might prefer that. Guaranteed payday if they get through to that stage.
What on earth is Simon ON ABOUT?
In this season's competition
5 replays in the 4th round (5 out of 16 ties)
8 replays in the 3rd round (8 out of 32 ties)
4 replays in the 2nd round (4 out of 20 ties)
8 replays in the 1st round (8 out of 40 ties)
They do happen a lot, they lead to such exciting games (just ask Horsham fans amongst others), they keep the dream alive and it's memories that inspire the next generations... not some extra cash for extra training cones. Money really isn't everything!
Most of the time they donât tho a small club who blag a replay at there ground go the reply at at a big club and most of the time always lose and get battered in the replay there dead games most of the time
@@willtallis5275 doesn't matter if they get battered... they're getting battered to the tune of hundreds of thousands of pounds
@@Matthew-bu7fg the players arenât your telling me you would rather get battered then try and win in extra time or pens
@@Matthew-bu7fg which the players donât see they could earn that money by reaching the next round with extra time or penalties instead for a little bit of money they would rather get battered and go out anyway rendering the replay pointless win the game in extra time and pens and make the next round simple
Ridiculous. My non league side earned a replay against a far bigger club in the FA cup this year - earned the team masses of money and TV exposure. It was huge for the club.
What happened in the Replay tho Surley your players would rather fight and go through in that game rather than a week or so later in a Replay and get battered
@@willtallis5275 @willtallis5275 I support Horsham (Isthmian Premier League), we played Barnsley (League 1) after beating Dorking (National League). We were drawn away on a week day, so very few fans could attend and it was not televised, so made very little. By having a replay we pulled them back to our ground, packed it to max capacity and were televised. We had the pundits here and national coverage that has massively increased the profile of the club and brought in lots of revenue... So no. It was much better having a replay and was massive for the town/club and players playing in front of family and friends at home. THAT, is the magic of the cup.
â@mervyit completely agree and I'm a barnsley fan . You earned your right to a replay and whatever happened in replay it was reward for your performance .. from our view we really enjoyed the replay and will remember horsham as a club for a long time. Even though in end it was void and this decision is a disgrace from the fa .
@@marc.the.red1987 Was great to have Barnsley fans over to ours. Brilliant group of fans.
@@marc.the.red1987 but most of the time the team earning the replay get battered in the replay so itâs pointless they go out anyway and make a tiny bit more money where as they could make the next round and get more money but wining in extra time or pens instead of a replay replays are dead
It's not about how important they are. It's the fact 96% of teams who are involved in the FA Cup weren't consulted.
Iâm a man united fan but the beauty of the fa cup was smaller clubs getting a draw and and playing big clubs away or at home is their dream take that away the fa cup dies shame on you
As a Magpie since the mid 90s I fully agree.
The FA and premier League greed eill destroy the game
The game is already destroyed.
FA and EPL are saving football from greedy worthless EFL.
The players will, not the fa or premier league
Does Simon ever have an opinion that doesn't just contradict that of everyone else in the room?
they will revert it back to no replays after the 3rd round just to make it look like they've done something/listened when really this was the plan all along, do not fall for this trick!
Might be against the grain but....I support a leauge 2 (soon to be 1) team and I like the idea of no replays. I get the money side from the boardroom, but for the fans it's a bigger chance of an upset. If we dug in for a draw against west ham, we all know we get batterd in 2nd leg. If we get penos we get a much better chance. Just my opinion
Couldn't agree with you more
Great debate! Thanks TalkSport for providing a forum for football debate that allows for wider arguments to express pros and cons..
Big clubs have no issue globe trotting playing friendlies đđ°but playing replays is too much âŠ
They missed a massive point. The Premier League clubs keep moaning about the amount of games and yet they have bigger squads than they have ever had, they have more on the bench for than they have ever had. The options for rotation are there. Modern pros at the top of the game have been playing twice a week for the last 25 years or so. They are incredibly well paid and cope just fine, the quality of the football is excellent and yet we keep hearing that there are too many games! :eyeroll:
And more subs allowed than ever before
But they are important for clubs in lower leagues.. so whoever arguing against that is just outright stupid.
Whatever you say, bro
@Alan_Wigz show me evidence to the contrary then.
@@CJ4YRD Nope. You made the claim. The burden of proof is on you mate.
@Alan_Wigz because there's clear evidence of it being important for lower league clubs.. down to increased revenue, more chance of beating a bigger team over 2 games than 1.. now again. Show me evidence to the contrary .
@@CJ4YRDitâs important for the money but what do the players want say reading get a draw with arsenal at reading stadium they then get a. Replay at arsenal but get battered a week later at arsenal where as no replays that game at reading would have gone to extra time or penalties where reading could still win Surley the players prefer going through instead of going to arsenal to lose just for the club to make some money and the lower league clubs use money as an excuse becuase there owners donât run the clubs properly replays are dead giant killing will happen more often without them as the club that gets the reply could go onto win in the extra time or pens rather than going to a bigger club a week later and losing anyway
Always a great chat with these three
As an owner of a soon to be relegated national league south club, we want the replays.
Huge for our fans - memories that last a lifetime.
If Man City can't play their backups and get past Dorking, Boreham Wood, or Colchester then too bad. Your punishment is playing another game.
VERY VERY WELL SAID!!!!!
Whyâd they cut out the part of Simon saying âI wouldnât be getting out of bed for 130k a yearâ and his altercation with a listenerâs text message? Those were the best parts of that segment. Whoeverâs in charge of their CZcams channel is the absolute worst
I support one of the big clubs and I think this is a disgrace this super league idea is killing the game theyâre now slowly bowing down to these big teams because theyâre scared
Itâs a poor decision and itâs not just about the money for the non league clubs and lower down EFL clubs itâs about the experiences for the fans and players when especially a non league club is able to hold a of prem side or big championship club to a replay either on their home soil or giving their fans a once in a lifetime trip to a ground like old Trafford or anfield for example. Itâs a disgrace and we all know who it favours and I havenât heard any complaints about the increase In champions league games when apparently the players canât cope with the schedule but they will happily take away the magic of the fa cup
Give the lower ranked teams the option to play away from home. I.e example Chesterfield playing at Anfield against Liverpool = More money for split gate for them
I like this idea. It's not like it throws up any disadvantages, not if they choose to play away. Maybe anyone in league 1 or lower should have that option if they get a home draw against a premier League club.
They used to do that, I remember in the 1990s a couple of lower clubs who were drawn home decided to play away
But then they lose Surley the players would prefer to go through in the first game rather than going to Liverpool and geting battered just so the club makes some money if they hang on to draw for the replay they might go onto win in extra time or pens but no we make them go to the bigger clubs home so they can battered just for money replays donât work there dead
Clubs moaning about the amount of games they have, should rotate their players better.
is there anything simon jordan wonât argue aboutđ€Šđ»ââïž
7:59 as a westham fan I want my team in the EFL CUP thank you very much would love for my team to lift that cup
It may not mean alot to owners but it still means a lot to to true fans of clubs not in the top 6
Mate I'm a Liverpool fan and have absolutely loved it whenever we have won the League cup (1995 v Bolton the first I remember watching). Don't assume the "bigger" clubs' fans are all snobs who see the League cup as worthless.
Should play every game at Wembley back to back over a fortnight with no subs and the winner goes on to play in a best of 46 game based in the US against the winners of The Northwest Sunday pub league trophy.
Worked for over a 100 years
I know for a fact that not even all the PL teams knew about this
Best way is to only do replay if two teams from different tier play draw.
For example, If a premier league team and championship team play and it ends draw, there should be a replay to benefit the championship team.
Two premier league teams play and drew, no replay. Same with two championship team e.t.c
Not just about money, plenty of Premier League fans enjoy going to lower league grounds to see their team play in the FA Cup, why are we denying lower league fans an opportunity to see their team at Premier League grounds ?
There not the smaller club could go through the round in 1 game and play a prem club in the next round but instead they hang on for the draw in the first game get a replay at a big club and get battered and go out anyway where as they could have beaten them in extra time or pens
âYour best chance of being a giant killer is in a replayâ. No itâs not? Youâve got a much better chance of holding out in extra time for pens rather than having to go another full 90mins + potential extra time.
Absolutely. I don't know what everyone else is on about. If you somehow scrape a miracle draw with Man City, do you want another full 90 minutes or a dice roll with pens??!
â@tylerh8397 he said giant killer
Too many games?
Invite Premier league clubs to voluntarily resign from both domestic cup competitions permanently.
Of course theyâll still find time for a month tour to Asia or the USA in pre season.
Prem clubs convinced the rest of the EFL exists merely to serve them. Sooner they buggar off to the super league the better.
The negatives of a prem club having to play 1 measly extra game vs the positives for a smaller club don't even compare. Greed wins as usual
It's always about clearing the obstacles that the top six have in winning everything.
Have to agree with Simon, replays do have a special aura around them, but the truly significant ones are rare and would be offset by a more stable increase in the overall pot of money shared throughout the pyramid.
If a club needs a replay to keep afloat then that club is being run poorly which is a more fundamental issue which should be addressed separately with things like the fit and proper owners test - but the increased funds which they should be able to leverage because of this change should even help alleviate this issue!
It's not like we lose the opportunity for giant killings, if anything it encourages the smaller clubs to give it a proper go if they're away to the big boys, so we might actually get a better quality of football compared to the current bus parking that tends to happen, and there will obviously still be home ties for those teams when the draw dictates.
It is a shame that we lose these special, but very infrequent, events; but, this should lead to a more healthy overall picture for the entire footballing pyramid. More money for smaller clubs, less fatigue for the Premier League clubs, it's a win- win, providing those additional funds do end up materialising in a significant enough way.
Why is everyone that is opposed to the removal trying to make out that every small club takes a big team to a replay and that there gonna be losing lots of moneyâŠ
The reality is not many teams actually manage to do this and also, this actually gives smaller teams a better chance at getting to the next round
If theyâve went 90 mins and drawn with a PL club, they have another 30 mins to do the same and then have the potential to beat them on pens or beat them in extra time, if that happens, they proceed to the next round and receive money from thatâŠ
Itâs extremely rare for a club to get a replay from a big team and itâs more or less impossible for a lower league team to get any result in a second leg awayâŠ
I know football has always had changes over the years, but I hate the way it is changing.
love Simon's and white's reactions to the west ham joke
No extra time in Europe. No Monday/Tuesday Wednesday/Thursday games in Europe. Play Wednesday play league games Saturday 3pm. They create their own problem. Money grabbing end of.
If a League 2 club goes to Anfield or Old Trafford and manages to sneak a draw, surely a penalty shootout on the day is just as much of a chance of a giant killing as a replay at their ground where the top teams will throw a few more of the first team into the lineup to kill the game off
I get the financial incentive to have a replay, but surely theyâll benefit more from going through by a penalty shootout to play in another round
Desperate times when known makes sense
the problem is the TV companies don't even pick the lower league teams for TV... they'll pick, say, Manchester United vs Crystal Palace as their Round 3 selection.
Stop tinkering with the worldâs most traditional domestic competition over money. Money already destroyed the game, then added VAR making it even worse. Getting rid of the League Cup as well. Getting ridiculous
I do agree with Jordan. The replay will change the fortunes of 1 club a year, and thatâs only if they get the right replay against the right club at the right place. Most wonât. This is not a bad idea as most teams wonât miss out but it would be much better if clubs are given a share of the cup revenue thatâs increased more than it is now. Lower league clubs need a better share. This is a lifeline.
I feel like a much better deal with the Football League would be much more benefial for the whole than a pot luck draw for a single club against a big side. Also, unsure on the statistical record but surely a giant killing is much more likely in a one off than what would essentially become a two legged tie?
The FA cup is the oldest competition in the world the dream of many tiny clubs, thanks for spoiling it like they have spoilt Euro competitions.
if replays are rare then the argument that replays cause premier league teams to play too many games doesn't work, and replays should stay. if replays are not rare then the giantslaying possibility argument works, and replays should also stay.
Like in the FA Cup were the top 44 clubs come in on the third round, have the top six or eight clubs of whom are playing in Europe, enter the competition in the latter rounds, maybe?
Just stop playing friendly internationals no other sport stops mid season.
Who wants less games?
Rotate your squad, you shouldn't be trying to play your first 11 for 90mins
5 subs doesn't seem to be going away, cup replays gone, they want rid of the league cup
Don't hear pep complaining about more games in the champions league, or playing in the world cup cup
The FA should publish the number of games played by the 92 league sides and demonstrate how overloaded the Premier League teams are with fixtures. They won't because the numbers doesn't support the argument.
I support Tottenham.. we have played 35 games
Man City have played 51 (charity shield, CL, FA Cup and League Cup)
If you take it throughout the PL i agree with you its only clubs that progress in all comps that have the issue
5:30 Loses the argument to the caller so then says "the genies out of the bottle". Yeah maybe Simon but that wasnt your argument....
The problem is, people virtual signal like made, in reality, people don't care about the lower tier or they would pay for it
Also players should take pay cuts so then clubs in the EFL can improve their stadiums and training facilities etc
European cup is played between champions not 4/5 place its simple.
Simon looking very dapper lol
Clean him up when you're done
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come up for air mate
Are you related to that "Clobber" spam merchant?
Sir Simon = Top LAD Proper Clobber đŻ Facts
Ans: All rounds up to QF go to lowest division of two clubs drawn versus one another. If same division, first drawn hosts....
Would the chance of a giant killing be greater if they continued an extra 30 minutes straight after drawing against said giant when they have momentum and have the chance on penalties to then get to the next round of the cup rather than restarting the game from minute 0 on another day? Most matches that go to extra time go to penalties anyway
Big teams play their kids or reserves half the time so what's the issue. Bring back away goals in Europe and golden goal in extra time.
what if the first round is at the smaller club then the replay is irrelevant. cant they just play at the bigger stadium and 50/50 gate split. Giant killings great but im sure the guaranteed money would be more beneficial in the long term to a lower league club than the chance of progressing one more round
Most replays at the larger clubs ground is about the event for the fans and the money. Most upsets happen in the first match at the smaller clubs ground. Well thatâs the way I think it works.
Let the big 6 FO to their Euro league.
Maybe give the lower sides the home advantage will that not fix the problem cash wise?
Hereford beat Newcastle in a replay! Without the replay, there wouldnât have been the Ronnie Redford moment. As a Hereford fan, we have had loads of FA cup replays over the years that have been huge for us financially and yet that doesnât matter because of course the priority for the FA is protecting the big boys (because they are the ones that make them he most money). Itâs a joke, top players are paid huge salaries because they are at the top and if they canât cope with the demand that brings then they shouldnât be at that level. My message to the big clubs is stop moaning, take your huge wage slip and get on with it. I like Simon Jordan but he would argue with himself if he stood in front of a mirror.
You mean the elite six?
I know I'm not the only Magpie to be against the idea to scrap replays, though I don't yet know the club's stance or even if they (and other non-e6 epl clubs) were asked for a position.
That said, there's a Man U fan in the comments against the scrapping too.
@@captainhybrid4045 yeah to be fair to Eddie Howe, I have heard him say that you wonât hear him moaning about the schedule. I have no doubt the
majority of fans would be against this, itâs more the managers, particularly Klopp that I recall moaning a lot.
13:20 simons arrogance is unbearable
Love this
How does any equal distribution of money in a league help? They are in the same markets for players so all it will do is put up wages, transfer fees, agents fees and a few quid in the owners pockets. It should only happen if the money is spent on infrastructure and the local community.
Itâs obvious that the FA donât care about any team outside of the premiership. This is another nail in English football.
Yes it does not favor the lower teams financially but there is no question that you will see the lower teams advance further. Its easier to beat these big clubs on a one off game then over the course of 2 games.
Martin keown thank you for mention the Port Vale team that were so close to beating the mighty Arsenal team. Replays are wonderful part of the fa cup. Premier league clubs have got huge squads full of international players plus a great youth set up just change the team if you want to rest them for European games
FFP...caused this....change my mind...please
English Premier League is money making machine, so is most important & it's the priority. It's all bout the money in the end of days
Prem should feed cash into ground, facility and community initiatives in EFL clubs. The other travesty is putting the cup final on before the end of the season. As for lack of replays- not the end of the world.
Look at what sheppy united done this season In The fa cup
FA cup draws where there is a lower league team playing a big team should be given the choice where they play. If they choose the big clubâs ground they should be given the gate receipts.
"All thes fans are misunderstanding my point" Simon 'you're too spupid for my CEO brain' Jordan
I understand the sentiment with FA Cup replays and the revenues it brings but letâs be honest between a PL Club and a small club a replay is very slim at best. From the moment UEFA changed their tournament formats, this was an inevitability. One possible solution is that clubs who qualify for Europe donât participate in the Carabao Cup. This will ease concerns about player fatigue overall and stop the whining about fixture congestion I have been hearing over the last few years. Change always happens, they just need to adapt.
actually like the sound this
these clubs have a lot of 1st team players to swap around so no excuse ,the 70s/80 no complaints from players then ,now its just players now want more money for lesswork
Replays benefit the larger/better clubs more as they get 90 more minutes instead of dealing with the randomness of penalties.
Keown we want less games for playersâŠbut donât remove games đ€Šââïž
Why would neutrals (at least) want to watch the boring new CL format before the (ludicrously seeded) final stages?
Martin says about the team having a better chance in the replay but thatâs not right teams normally get battered in the reply there best chance of a giant killing is in that 1 game where they could go onto wining in extra time or penalties and thereâs barely any replays anyway there boring and adds games to the calendar that every club goes round saying they have to much of
thats why they never asked the EFL in the talks because they know what they would have voted for the replays and got voted out ,andi think theplayers should have something to say on this then we would no what they are thinking , i can see all our cup copms soon will all be scrapped by the fa to suit the top clubs
Taking away replays is to suit the elite clubs' lets not pretend otherwise
Want to abolish replays? Fine. But the 20 teams that qualify for the third round, from outside the top two divisions, are put in a separate pot, and automatically given a home tie for the third round. Call it compensation.
theres pro's and con's to this
lower league teams would love the extra money earned from a replay
however, if you have a replay away at a team in a much higher league, your likely to get stuffed. imagine portsmouth going to anfield for a replay.
whereas portsmouth could draw 1-1 at home and win on penalties..
just depends what teams prefer, extra cash and being dumped out getting smoked in a replay
or less cash, but having the chance to knock a much higher team out on penalties.
btw, scrapping replays isnt the way forward if your talking about de-congesting the schedule.
thats down to fifa to stop these pointless international friendlies you have in september october and november.
It is called the F.A. Cup because it is worth F. A . since the competition has been debased...
Poor Jamie got cut off halfway through his point by Jim!
Jim White calling efl owners cohorts???
Not very nice..đ„Ž
Why not put lower leAGUE FACUP games 100% on TV or. Spread them out
Regulator would be the worst thing for prem clubs đ
Changing this for the big clubs cause there teams are tired? Dont compete then, first game in other competitions send the youth team out, if you get beat then it shouldnt matter cause your team wont be tired, dont rob thousands of lower table teams!! United fan btw
12:26 If it's ''only two out of six hundred games in the last season'' as Jordan says why is anyone bothered
"Lincoln Town" the spoofer doesn't even know the name of the clubs. Typical big time Charlie former Crystal Rovers owner.
There aren't any real giant-killings anyway as the big teams don't care and play their B team in the domestic cups.
The prem league is privately run . Its not run by the F.A . The prem league has to be kept happy. The only one organisation that can have some influence on the prem is Sky sports.
Sky sports arrange the fixtures.
A replay can finance a club for a few years
Premier league players tired . What about some of non league teams that have players that have been working all week and working next day . Ask them if they tired ..its just an excuse when they lose they dont moan when they winning.