China vs USA: War in the South China Sea
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- If war suddenly breaks out in the South China Sea, how might a flashpoint incident play out? HypOps simulates the sudden outbreak of hostilities over the Spratly islands due to a Chinese rocket shootdown of an American drone. We explore the geopolitical context of this hypothetical war and examine some of the weapons and technologies involved at the operational level. The HypOps team wargames each separate engagement and observes the tactics that emerge when opposing weapon systems clash.
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It would be awesome to see some how some real life "micro engagements" play out several times in the simulator like the Dutch F-16AM vs Serbian Mig-29 engagement over Yugoslavia. Curious if real scenarios could play out differently over various runs. Been binging your videos, I can see you surpassing quarter million subs in a year or so.
Oh cool i like your videos my dude.
Aren't you supposed to be in the army?
@@lukemarshall5605 I am in the Army
@@Oxide_does_his_best new vid about the army oxide?
lol thats not micro engagement thats called war
Gambit is 100% an ace combat pilot
-lone survivor of initial devastating conflict
-narrowly escapes crashing via a timely rescue by support craft
-ordered to return to base
-later learns entire 2nd squad was wiped out
-enemy tries to chase him, AWACS and tankers down
-they break off narrowly at the last minute
-the war seems in the enemies favour as they secure the disputed territory
He will have quite a story to tell back home. Once he is done with his therapy.
Ace Combat 8: Rain of Fire
@@HypOps He'll have to get a new flight suit as well, as the previous one is, erm, "soiled".
lmfao is this the battle of iraq LMFAO he somehow beat all the j11 and dodge all sam from the island?? are u in a dream world get the fuk outta here wit that bullshit hes down before he engage a j11 idiot
@@bsimulator ccp has better leadership than Joe pedo asss or racist Trump truth hurts don't it anybody wit a eyeball can see USA been going down hill for 10 years in a row rofl
shame that this was never continued. Its a really great concept
Jack, come back Jack...
This was very intriguing and a full complete season of episodes would've been binge watched for sure. Any chance of picking it back up from a year ago with the simulation?
I hope the recent burst in views has inspired you to continue this series! A longer war campaign would be awesome while spaced out with some videos on other smaller scale what-if battles.
Also, I think having a companion video showing several of the "extreme result" simulations of key parts of a battle would be insightful for those of us wanting more after watching a main video.
we build chinatowns everywhere, its game over
I'm really impressed with both the scenario and your presentation. As much as I love CMANO/CMO, it can be a bit dry visually even with TacView. The video elements of weapons systems are a great addition. I also am impressed with your ability to quickly explain tactics like cranking at a level that would be understandable for a general audience. I'm really excited for the next video, so keep up the amazing work!
Thank you! I'm personally amazed no one else is doing something like this. Modern/speculative warfare is fascinating and should be made approachable and exciting to a general audience.
Couldn’t agree more with this comment about the quality of this video in content and visual aids. I do this at home with a few wargamers but with a traditional table top board game made by John Gorkowski called South China Sea by Compass Games. I had to make the entire US and PRC forces from scratch. Using CMO would’ve been a lot easier. Nice work and definitely getting a share or two on the Facebook Modern Naval Combat page.
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Consider THIS SCENARIO instead:
The 🤩CoMMEEs🤩 says enough is enough...
They say all cards are now on the table...
They say they are prepared to lose all cities east of Xian (cuz they weren't going to have any of that bull)...
They are on the top of the food chain where copycatting and learning is concern, they say Bay of Pigs...
They go DIRECT for THE HEAD of THE SNAKE instead cuz a ten year civil war with Taiwan won't help...
They LAUNCHED Operation Blockade Samson; all hell breaks lose; nukes starts flying every which way...
They (🤩COMMEEs🤩) naturally got creamed cuz they are evil and God is never on their side as he does on Samson's...
Samson come out victorious. He lives happily ever after again...
Wow Man! I think I can be equally as popular as Arthur C Clark.
@@HypOps I think maybe you should enlist ! That way you can be amazed up close and personal.
You know the theme for lifeline? That a thousand times.
Two years later and I'm still waiting for the next episode!
Nearly 3 years now and still waiting 😢
This is a fantastic simulation. As a guy who's been watching the real life scenario unfold, its cool to see an estimation of something like this play out. Also, if you're still looking for callsign names, Flanders was mine. Cheers!
I'm a little late hear i would have to believe the US would use F35's and not F16's in the first engagement if a S400 cant see them then radar on a J16 would be at a huge disadvantage. I showed this video to my retired F16 fighter pilot and he agreed we would use F35's just to be safe. If not F35's we would use drones with the F16's to help with survivability. I'm just an army ground ponder so i asked my buddy didn't think we would want a loss in the first engagement
Always great to hear what a service man has to say about this. Thank you for your service
F35 will face to J20 , WHY NOT?
@@user-canonlightf 35 and f22 would rape the entire chinese air force
Considering their inventory of f35's I too believe that the j16's would suffer a much greater loss of aircraft in a real life scenario
you have a fighter pilot? where can i get one of those!
I stumbled across this channel and have not been disappointed by any of your videos so far. Excellent work and very engaging content, and I'm hoping for more in this series.
Decent scenario, but you should make that clear in your title that this is a SCENARIO, not an actual war atm.
This is fantastic stuff. Really informative and interesting. This has been eye-opening with regards to current and upcoming air combat platforms, but I would really love to see some ship to ship combat between carriers, destroyers, missile ships, and submarines as well.
Im so glad i found this channel, very interesting to watch more about modern operations. Good work!
Additionally, callsign "Oxide"
I gotta say, great job man. The starting scenario is frankly scarily realistic and I think you are being very fair to both sides in this. I am excited about the next entry and hope it gets the recognition it deserves.
I have a callsign suggestion -Longwang which is the mythological dragon of the sea.
Thank you! I've tried to set the initial scenario within the realm of possibility.
You got yourself callsign LongWang. I think it's only fair that your (Dragon King) makes an appearance next episode as a Chinese J-20 Mighty Dragon. Look for LongWang among the People's Liberation Army Air Force, I wish you luck in all the battles to come!
I shall return!....!
Gen. Mc Arthur
Jester, and Halcyon, you sure?
The J-20s probably wouldn’t be used as dogfighters due to their limited numbers and the fact that they aren’t the most maneuverable. I would imagine them to be deployed more strategically and used to target American early warning and tanker aircraft rather than getting tangled in dogfights against 4th generation or 5th generation US fighters. Instead, they’d be used to get into the rear of the US formations and launch PL-15s from a safe distance against American logistical and radar platforms.
@@AbsoluteZero6714
Yeah. That's probably smart. Halcyon is fighting blind and lame without AWACs and tankers. Jester has ground based radar and island based runways. Halcyon does not. I think Jester made a mistake in this video not going for the AWACs and the tankers. It would have been worth the sacrifice of the squadron if they could have taken down those platforms.
I gotta say HypOps, love the content and absolutely cannot wait to see more! Amazing videos!
Please continue this series it is the best content I've seen in a long time
Holy smokes! Chinese viewer here. I just discovered your videos today and I can't imagine the amount of effort you put into making them. This is better than a Tom Clancy novel! Please keep them coming!!
I wonder if your interest will be the same when china has a few losses under its belt. But at least we can agree this is definitely interesting.
@@curtisperry4039 Hey bud I think people watching this channel aren't 8-year-olds. Realistic warfare means wins and losses on both sides. I recognize America's military prowess, and yall are certainly a respectable opponent
Bruh
Tom Clancy DID write a novel about a war over the Spratlys, about 15 years ago. That’s how SMART Tom Clancy was, RIP.
@@clu4u anyone can predict American imperialism
Amazing work! Can't wait to see more. First time I've ever turned on notifications for a video. Callsigns: Operator, Firestorm, Dowd, Winter
I wish this had made it to full series - it's a really interesting concept and the production value is really, really good. Please consider coming back to this.
This was an amazing video! Really enjoyed it and awsome sceneriao representation. Would love more of these!
What a wonderfully planned and executed video. Thank you so much for all your hard work.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Amazing video with great attention to detail and informative statistics. I appreciate the effort and editing that went into adding photos and explanations on the weapon systems and tactics used by both sides. This concept is great and I hope it continues on to great success! Also my contributions to the callsign pool would be "Orc" and "Pixie".
It’s rare to see the very first video on a channel being the most well done 👍
Amazing videos, hope the Spratly Islands series will continue!
Would love to see further episodes, this one was great!
I just stumbled across your channel and I have to say, this is probably one of the coolest executions of the hypothetical situation that I've ever seen.
You have a new subscriber, and I hope that this goes places.
suggestion for callsigns, "Hwang" and "Cryptum" (I hope they fight each other)
These are fascinating simulations. I binged them today. I am going through the previous comments to give many thumbs-up.
Man these are soo dam good. We NEED More!!!!!
The quality of visual presentation and analysis is just beyond my expectation for a CZcams channel. Keep up the good work brother :)
this deserves much more attention than it has received. phenomenal work.
Thank you so much!
16:52 RIP all of HypOps' friends.
This is awesome. Thanks for the video series.
This sir is some of the greatest content ever. Your channel will explode if you continue this.
That honestly makes my day. Kind words like this is what keeps me going. (:
Amazing scenario and presentation. I love how you set the viewers up with the background and relevant information about the scenario yet nonetheless let the process speak for itself. Would love to see you make a whole series out of this.
I'm glad you enjoyed it! I'm surprised something like this does not already exist. Modern and speculative warfare is so fascinating yet there isn't much content out there.
@@HypOps I agree! the only thing close to this would be another content creator named Binkov Battle Grounds.
@@isaiahgadil7697 there is another channel called "CaspianReport". It is slightly different but you can find some nice analysis of real world conflicts like a Russian invasion in Ukraine.
Just found the video and I'm very intrigued by the war simulation. Hope to see the future series soon.
Please make a Patreon. I want to support more content just like this. This is so informative for someone who enjoys war but has no experience. The battles are so clear
I launched a Patreon alongside the 3rd video!
Welcome to the channel! If you have a question about the initial setup or any of the weapon systems involved, I'll do my best to answer them!
Compiling a list for viewer generated callsigns here. Comment in the video and your callsign should update into the spreadsheet within a few days!
docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HeDUPNFzTQGmTxuex3qhxtIGcVpy5Bikq-RqYC8G5DA/edit?usp=sharing
This is really cool. Any idea when the next episode is going to come out?
Another video out as of 6 days ago!
Why would USA scramble aircraft to a downed unmanned drone? Just launch another. I think a better cause would be something between China and Taiwan in the Paracel Islands and USA being drawn in. Doesn't matter much, I guess, because that's not the important part.
This is bull shit...
@@netdragon256 I agree this is dumb... And even if we sent F15s they sure as shit would not be outclassed by shit, 2nd hand built Chinese Su33s pfft give me a fucking break.
Hey Buddy, this is awesome!
I strongly support you to continue!
Thank you! I'm glad you liked it!
9:01 gambit is a actual legend
Thanks for this awesome content. Subscribed!
Big fan of this format, keep up the good work. this engagement is a fantastic scenario. Looking forward to its continuance along with others.
USAF- BASEPLATE
USN- BOJANGLE
RAAF- HOPPER
RAAF- DINGO
USMC- BOWIE
JASFD- KATANA
JASFD - TANTO
JASFD- NAGURI
Baseplate is such a great name for a Hawkeye.
This was truly amazing. Please make more content, I would absolutely contribute to a patreon as well
Wow thank you for your high praise and promise of future support. That makes my day!
Loving your videos! So much detail and you have a really good ability to break down and explain the military terms to a layman. I only just found your channel. Callsign - "Jackal"
Excellent video!
This concept is a brilliant idea. It's great that you specify that it's just a simulation, with players regardless of costs or escalation. I can't wait for the next video! I would like to suggest "Brennus" as callsign.
Glad you like it!
@@HypOps you should do other countries like britain vs France.
Came here from noncredibledefense. Keep up the good work OP.
Call sign: Penguin from the P3 Orion in Red Storm Rising
A very entertaining subreddit to be sure! (:
Callsign is noted!
This is really a high quality channel. Found it through youtube recommendation and was not disappointed. Hope this series continue.
Incredible quality! amazing!
The choice of background music is gorgeous. This whole thing was a movie experience.
Do you know the name of the background music?
This is freaking awesome! Love this, and hope you continue the series! Below are my callsign suggestions:
Crazy
Demon
Fury
Jaws
Mojo
Yo this is soooo good. Please make more!!
This is so cool. Please expand on the concept.
Any plans to continue this series? I really like how you do your videos and present information and clips of footage along with the gameplay.
in a comment response of his 2nd video from the series he replied he would continue this series soon with greater rythm
I've been looking for a channel like this for a long time and I finally found it! Thanks so much for making these amazing simulation videos.
PLEASE DON'T STOP MAKING THESE! I'M HOOKED AND ABOUT TO GO BINGE THE OTHER 3 AVALIABLE VIDEOS
I hope you keep this going.
HOLY F*** THIS IS AMAZING!! its hyper realistic and this simulation considered a lot of elements from both side
I would hope to see more of these especially US/CN hypothetical wars
Love your content!!
Glad you enjoyed it!
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In Matthew 13:42, Jesus says: "And shall cast them into a FURNACE OF FIRE: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
In Matthew 25:41, Jesus says: "Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting FIRE,. . ."
Revelation 20:15 says, " And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the LAKE OF FIRE."
@@HypOps If I was Halcyon I would have pressed the attack on the tankers. It's worth the sacrifice of the fighters just to take out those tankers.
As someone who works in the defense industry, I have to say great job. I subbed and hope you continue with the great work. Some comments though.
1) though I dont have any direct knowledge of the Air to Air missile systems involved beyond what you do, I do disagree with the outcome of the second BVR fight. The f-15 would have a speed advantage when launching partly due to their lighter weapon load and overall speed advantage. This would significantly negate the pl-15 range advantage. On the other hand however, its likely that the aircraft involved would be using the C variant of the AMRAAM not the D version. As far as i know the D is available only in small numbers and has been so far reserved for F-22 squadrons. Overall I agree the scenario may end in favor of the Chinese but not 80:20. 60:40 or even 55:45 seems more plausible to me. As this scenario continues probably using C variants more frequently on the older US fighters and taking into account launch parameters as adjusted by weapon load might improve things
2) I cant really imagine the US response to a drone shoot down to be to send short range non stealthy f-16 to an area known to be full of advanced SAM systems. Even if conflict was thought unlikely I feel different platforms would be sent. Considering the ranges involved the f-16 would likely not be the first choice. A small number of F-15s or super hornets from a nearby carrier seems more realistic to me. I imagine a QRF would also have been sent to back up the initial wave. I imagine a few F-35 armed for SEAD and further f-15s would stand off a few dozen miles way to come in and suppress enemy sams if things got ugly. After the first clash I think F-35s would have taken some standoff shots at enemy SAM sites before leaving to refuel.
1) CMO does attempt to account for various factors like launch speed and energy retention and that should work towards the F-15's favor.
I believe Team Red launches their first volley at around 70nm where the aircraft approaches the no escape zone, not the theoretical 95 max range. Likewise, Team Blue's first volley was closer to 50nm.
What I meant by 80:20 was that at least one Chinese aircraft came out of the fight 80% of the time (should have clarified that). I agree that I suspect it would be closer IRL, but I report my simulation results even if they didn't go exactly as I expected. I don't intend to fudge the numbers I got, even if they do seem a bit China heavy. (30 simulation runs and the J-16s won 25/30).
2) I agree the initial situation is a bit contrived. We tried to stick to aircraft with 'similar roles' for this 'encounter scripted' part 1. Notice that we had a 4v4 and then a 8v8 for somewhat 'equivalent' platforms. We will explore newer technologies in future episodes, saving the best stuff for later. The systems you mentioned will all come into play later on where we plan to be less scripted and bigger in scale.
Well F-35 numbers are short on the region and using them to check out a drone may not be a good idea given the circumstances. For example if it turns out it really is the start of the a conflict, that's a sortie of F-35's burning through fuel that won't be available again for some time.
Also, J-11/16's move at a similar speed as the F-15's although max speed might be different.
The U.S. doesn't have that many AIM-120Ds fielded yet, sure (though it's certainly spread way beyond just Raptor squadrons. I know the Navy's been carrying it on Super Hornets). But China doesn't have many PL-15s yet, either. It's only two or three years old at this point, and we (the public) have no idea whether it's reported ranges are reliable or how many even exist. I would put money on there being way more AIM-120Ds out there than PL-15s.
The F-15Cs losing to J-16s is highly questionable to me, even if the J-16s have unlimited PL-15s. The range difference between their missiles is not THAT significant, and there are plenty of tactics to diminish that advantage - none of which were used in the simulation for some reason. I do note that the depicted mach 1.6 speed at first volley for both sides is probably unrealistic. The F-15Cs would be more likely at mach 1.4 and the J-16s slower still.
Taking public numbers for missiles at face value is shaky, though I understand it's all the simulation can really do. The AIM-120D's "official range" is less than 100nm, but there's plenty of reason to believe it's quite a bit longer than that in reality. The USAF said they killed a test target at the longest range in history with it, and the last record I'm aware of is the AIM-54 that killed a test target over 100nm away.
I agree WRT the F-16s showing up over the Spratlys. Gotta admit I laughed at that. Absurd!
Please do not become irritated with me. Many people from all over the world are watching this channel. You are sharing open intelligence, bur the conclusions that you draw are based on your professional experience.
@@Jester-uh9xg Well, longest range for USAF....AIM54 and F14 are from Navy.
just found the channel and video and really hope you keep going with the series. It's great
Please make more of these!
Former F-15C pilot here. With that many aircraft and AWACS intel, we wouldn't be bunched up. We'd be spread with disparate vectors onto enemy/bulls so that enemy aircraft can only crank into another flight of F-15s, or skate away and abandon their missiles prior to pitbull. Second, I'd rather defend against bvr missiles at the end of their range/burn at high altitude due to the thin air and very small surface area of the missile control surfaces, gambling that thrust vector would be the only viable method of turning (if enabled) and thrust vectoring to catch me with my huge control surfaces in thin air would burn more missile fuel, thus lowering range. I'd only dive down to engage BFM and carry massive energy in a turn rate fight. Also no thought to ECM and/or jamming is considered here to evaluate your pk. Good effort though, the visualization was nice.
Not a pilot, but I thought the initial "standoff" between the fighter groups seemed a little poorly thought out. Would they really just prioritize merging into a massive furball like that as a way to deter each other, disregarding BVR capabilities? Seems like a really sketchy thing to do. Then again the "commanders" for each side were apparently "bloodthirsty warmongers" so I guess they were just trying to maximize the potential for combat. I guess the intent of the video was less academic and more entertainment focused.
Yoo this shit is amazing, you should definitely make this a series (Also Callsign - Tandem)
Great work hypops. Loving the vids. Looking forward to new episodes
More to come!
love the vids dawg
Very interesting and realistic simulation. A sequel would be nice.
(press "read more" for the callsigns)
As there are some who do not seem to be aware: This simulation is run using the CMO software. The CMO software is a warfare simulator that has been used profesionally by various groups including Pentagon think tanks. The system is hilariously in depth and features just about every nitty gritty detail you can think of.
The only diference between this and the pentagon version is that profesional users can change the values for the units based on classified intel. By contrast this simulation is being done using the "declassified" version which uses a database of stats provided by the company which designed CMO: The stats themselves are based on some pretty good guesstimates steming from a large variety of sources.
That is to say, whenever anything happens here it is not because the author of the video decided it so, but rather he is simply inputting the situations and letting the simulation process the outcome.
Also, F35 flight callsigns.
Husker
Starbuck
Apollo
Racetrack
Boomer
Athena
Hot Dog
Hardball
Thanks for sharing this awesome scenario with us all. I am new to your channel, but this and the other episode I watched has hooked me. I can't wait to see what happens next, so stay healthy and happy.
My call sign was "BiggMur"
dude this video had me sweating about the next outcome and goosebumps when the action started. great video.
This is just what I wad was waiting for.As a defence analyst from Kathmandu, I just cant say how much I appreciate your sim. If you could please use the call sign " Gurkha" for any attack flying or underwater vessels you would win the gratitude of the entire gurkha nation. Waiting for your next episode soon.Thanks.
Will do! I'm happy you enjoyed it! Gurkha shall appear in an upcoming video.
These are fantastic, keep up the good work. I love wargames that go into this kind of detail, especially when narrated extremely well by someone who clearly cares. Can't wait for the next one. Also, what's the music you use? I'm editing together a similar type of video (kind of why this interests me so much), and a good audio in the background would help.
Lastly, a EA-18G Pilot 'Ghost'. Probably stationed via Carrier Strike Group.
What a great show !! had me on the edge of my seat the whole time !!
Suggested call sign -- Putt Putt Maru.... thanks again !!
Really enjoyed this video and bummed it ended after Day 1.
When will you continue this series? This was a very interesting start.
This
Callsign suggestions - "Tesla" "Wolf" "Frost" "Lightspeed" "Crown" "Spike" "Mirror"
Hi I just discovered your channel yesterday and I really like your videos keep then up
I hope you make more of these
would be even more awesome if this turned into some land combat later down the road. love these videos so far and I can't wait for more to come out!
yes, curious to know the outcome but whose soil is the battlefield
Absolutely amazing video. Scenario which unfolds is very realistic and plausible. Couple things I noticed which I really liked were that:
1: you acknowledged and clearly explained the limitations and the methodology which this happened under.
2: You explained everything that was going on extremely well, to the point where even a person who is completely uninformed on this topic could understand it completely, and you provided context for everything that was happening.
Can't wait to see the next one, this is probably the best hypothetical wargame situation I've seen so far, if the universe is at all fair you will grow fast.
Callsign suggestion: Azimuth (pref on an f-35 because I like it)
No he does not know what he is talking about it just sound convincing.
@@anthonyb5279 How exactly?
@@anthonyb5279 explain
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 he wont explain, look at his comment history here. Its childish
@@jonathanpfeffer3716 WOW where to start??Well first off the US and China have operational directed energy weapons, He stated they do not. Despite 3 years of intense standoffs we have not gone to war due to a pilot losing their cool and shooting down Chineses aggressors, of witch has happened 6 times now. All parties deny any confrontations have resulted in casualties and we have not gone to war dew to it. Believe it or not this happens a lot , especially Russia they shoot down civilian airliners at an alarming rate and War does not erupt. Next the over estimation of the effectiveness of Su-27 based aircraft and weapons is GROSE! No such aircraft has ever survived combat with a US based fighter EVER! his claim that the F-15 has never shot down a Su-27 is bizarrely wrong about half of the planes shot down by an F-15 in the First Gulf War were Su-27s, plenty of MiG-29s too, embarrassingly high number of maneuver kills. The IFF of all Russian and Chineses planes does not work, they tend to shoot down their own planes thus avoid combined arms tactics. Clark AFB is reopened, Andersen is not our closest base. Malasia has also taken 2 of the bases in the Spratly Islands already with no resistance one with an air base. Independence-class would not operated solo, its too vulnerable thus would be part of a fleet so an Arleigh Burke would defend it. Its all just a bunch of imposable situations that would give advantage to China. His next video has the USS Ronnie RayGun running unsuspectingly into most of the Chinese NAVY with only 3 Arleigh Burke escorts resulting in the loss of all ships.... SERIOUSLY????? what a fucking diluted asshole. He does not understand all the planes, ships and weapons used correctly or how they would be used. He is not a pilot checked out in any of these systems and does not understand actual tactics used like "The Crank" he has no idea just how creative the US forces are. Truth is China wont know what hit them, they would all be dead before they even knew they were in a fight. You should watch the next video it's very entertaining in its absurdity.
Outstanding effort
This video is amazing. I really wish for more videos like this to come up.
Love the video! Cant wait to see more of these.
As a nod to a character from a certain world war three novel, a pilot with the callsign "Duke" would be pretty sweet, especially if he flew the F-35. Just an idea however. I really appreciate what you are doing here!
Just found your video. Great explanation of military tech and tactics which make it easy for common folk (such as myself) to understand.
Also (if it's not too late):
Country: U.S.A.
Call-sign: Seer
Aircraft: E-3 AWACS (not sure if that's the right type)
This is the first video I watched of yours and I subscribed after 45 seconds.
Very interesting and well done, got me hooked and looking for more episodes lol. When I peeked at your channel it only has 30k subs!? I found myself a gold mine. You definitely deserve more. Subbed!
In your simulation, PL-15 have a little more range than Amraam while in internet pages ( I've looked at many of these) it has a range of 200 km.
How is this modeled?
The tyranny of distance has always been my biggest concern in a hypothetical US-China conflict.
That aside, the robust A2/AD capabilities the Chinese have built also worries me. The Chinese learned a lot of lessons watching the US military annihilate the Iraqi military in Desert Shield/Desert Storm. That's very likely why they want systems and munitions that can keep the US at arms length because the Chinese know they can't fight on conventional terms with the US. Great video!
The problem I see is that we would be fighting on the islands again, but on a much larger scale. Taiwan, Japan, Korea, India, and Australia are all close allies and it is likely the pacific islands in between all of them would be ravaged. All this would do is spur on more war, as the two major powers would be untouched as places like Korea get bombed to shreds. The US would most definitely just be fueled further by this.
If we fully commit it’s going to end with nukes. If one side capitulates it will mean the end of their society. Americans might vote to sue for peace if it’s about to come to nukes but I’m pretty sure the CCP wouldn’t hesitate.
There is A LOT this video doesn't take into account.
@@beachballa93 Agreed, especially when it comes to how each country operates according to their doctrine. I don't think Chinese doctrine really matches the same level of decentralization US commanders enjoy at the tactical and operational levels of command.
I fail to see why a nation improving its defensive (rather than offensive) capability worries you
@@FumblsTheSniper going by doctrine it's the opposite, China has a no first use policy whereas the US doesn't
Though the scenario is incredibly realistic, there is a lot of missing tactical consideration. Why would the US scramble from that far East when they can simply scramble F-22/35s from South Korea or Japan? Was stealth technology, as well as the E-3G providing radar coverage, giving the US the advantage? I do love the scenarios and the what ifs, but providing the advance tech to these would make it far more realistic.
One could make an argument that F-22’s would be deployed as a show of force to make further escalation seem futile. Curious how the scenario would play out.
And Chinese missle claims are unproven and probably lies.
@@williamh.gatesiii8183 sure, if that makes you sleep at night
Leaving those bases empty of stealths is like inviting trouble for South Korea and Japan.
It makes them more vulnerable.
great video! i subscribed
Wow that was really engaging 😮, cant wait to see more Videos like this ^^
I may be late but man, this is so great and now subbed to you. You definitely grown quickly to my favorite side just the other big military CZcamsrs out there like Covert Cabal, Matsimus, Not What you Think, Red Effect etc. Your channel's young, but it will damn well blow up soon. Another small detail I would like to include concerning the geopolitics, I know the simulation was only made for two countries but if ever play all country would be freed, the moment any unit from the American side is attacked, it would immediately bring my country, Phil to the scene as they and the US both have Mutual Defense treaty signed. I reckon the tactical advantage of having a closer FOB like the Palawan island for rearming and refuelling with new station for SAM's, Shore and land based AShM would definitely increase some significant changes in the battlefield. More power to you lods and wish to see more. Hoping the call sign Dragonfly would be included in the game. This is so exciting to finally have a new type of content to enjoy.
Yeah dream on… your country was made a slave country and yet you are so eager to die for your master …
Piece of advice… keep politics out of this channel and we will all get to enjoy it 😊
And then these bases were completely wiped out within 5 minutes
How this simulation would go with stuff like the AIM-260 would be interesting. I feel like currently China's air to air missiles have the range advantage but that will swing back to the US when the AIM-260 reaches IOC
Eh, maybe, but if you give the US the AIM-260, it would only be fair to give China the PL-21, as both missiles are currently development and will be in service maybe in the next few years.
Who actually believes their missle claims. Commu is nations are known for lying .
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Remember this is a simulation not real and China doesn't have fuel and America got lots of New toys..
@@ddaazahh8064 isn't the pl21 already in service with the air force.
Great simulation, I really enjoyed your work.
Looking forward to a continuation.
Just saw your very informative video, and am very intrigued by the idea going forward. I work in a geopolitical field and as someone mentioned below, the starting scenario is uncomfortably close to reality.
For callsigns, I was always a fan of the Iliad, and felt that "Ajax" would be appropriate for something used in defense or to stop an attack.
If you need more, "Hektor" or "Achilles" could be good for fighters or front-line systems, and "Priam" or "Odysseus" for electronic, support, or other more cerebral activities.
The initial drone shootdown was inspired by some real shootdowns that have happened in recent times.
I like your callsigns, hopefully I can fit a team of Iliad inspired heroes into the next episode!
Trust me, when we war does breakout in the Middle East and throughout the South China Sea it’s not going to be cool at all for anyone ! People on both sides are going to die. Ask any American veteran if they ever thought war is cool ! But that being said I will tell you this. Every weapon the communists Chinese have they’ve either copied or stolen from defense computers of many nations. But regardless of how many communists Chinese fighter pilots the communists Chinese field U.S. fighter pilots will easily sweep communists Chinese fighter pilots out of the skies quickly and easily ! The Communist have two aircraft carriers that will be blown out of the water within the first hour of the war ! As long as the U.S. fight stays kinetic , the U.S. will win easily . But if countries start to use nuclear weapons , well then everyone in our world dies and nobody wins ! It’s just to bad that most people simply do not understand the communists Chinese military Doctrine. Which is total global expansion along with total world domination and control over every country on the face of the earth 🌍. When this goes down it will not be a game anyone wants to play ! And it is going to happen !
@@jeffi854 wait, isn't the US dominating the world? and also causing wars and chaos everywhere? Don't tell me you are doing this for "freedom", we only see death and trouble.
I appreciate it guys but respectfully decline. And you are very correct ,it is getting very close to home especially with Iran ,communist Chinese and Putin‘s Russia governments and they’re military doctrines of having complete and total global expansion, world domination and control over every nation on our planet.And with all three of these evil ,ruthless regimes all being allied together is very concerning indeed.They would love nothing more than to all three of them to be able to successfully pull off a snake first strike surprise attack against the United States of America, a very real possibility I’m afraid.And with all three of them being allied together and against the United States and NATO , also as a veteran I know that war isn’t fun and though systems have been set up to look like video games, the difference is the fact that you don’t get another life , arm , hand or leg ! We currently have a veteran who chooses to end his or her own life every hour and twenty min in our country today guys.Truly a very sad fact .
You have made two mistakes as far as I can tell tactically: (1) you have postulated a lone Carrier with inadequate escort of three vessels, when six are normative, and two Carriers have been deployed previously, being able to sychronize flight deck traffic, or sequence flights to support CAP rotations, and switch missions so that one Carrier can support the other with a fully-loaded mission set, to cover incoming 'winchester' fighters, and launch a screen. Also I would include an Amphibious ship in the escort with F-35's on standby. Moreover, in key 'Q' circles, and Military Officers supportive of CIC/DJT/45, we are at War with China, and the notion that ships entering the Spratleys with both sonar and radar switched off is sheer suicide during wartime. You must learn to think tactically. Try some Old-School boardgames, where the player has to meditate and think things out in 6-minute turns. What you acquire by way of verisimilitude to combat conditions by virtual wargaming you lose in tactical depth and perspective, disconnected from historical lessons. The Japanese learned to their sorrow that emptying the decks of two carriers left them crowded and easy pickings. The DF-12's are a problem, I agree, but six escort vessels, 4 Arleigh Burke's, two Ticonderoga Aegis capable Cruisers(still in use) and the America Amphibious ship can provide the additional air-cover and intercept capabilities. You set up a losing situation which while fought well by the tactical air wings, was bound to lose from the start. I would never send a single Carrier with inadequate escort.
Q circles and DJT? Lmao.
@@SpenserRoger strange comment but the rest of his points are pretty well made.
Total accident I came across this video and just wow; loved it and really really hope the Spat over the Spratleys becomes a full series, it's too good not to!
Superb!
Subscribed sir. 👍🏾
I'd love to be like a Arleigh Burke class destroyer
Call it the USS John Soup :)
Lol china stands no chance...
Definitely revive this series! I would love to see more of this.
Also, as a callsign; Jason Benedikt - Nomad
Truly a hidden gem that i am glad to discover, happy new year