USA vs Russia: Breaking the S-400 (with F-35s)
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- HypOps simulates a hypothetical clash between an American Carrier Strike Group and a Russian S-400 battalion located beside Khmeimim Air Base in Latakia, Syria after a Tomahawk cruise missile launch is intercepted by Russian air defences including an S-400 Triumf, Tor Missile System, Buk Missile System, Pantsirs and Sukhoi Su-34 and Su-35 aircraft.
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The United States decides to execute a SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defenses) first using older conventional technology such as F/A-18 Super Hornets, EA-6B Growlers, MALD-J Decoys, AARGM anti-radiation missiles and AIM-120Ds.
HypOps will simulate the scenario a second time using new and futuristic technology that will become available to the US Navy in a few years’ time such F-35C Lightning 5th Generation Stealth Aircraft with JATM AIM-260s, AARGM-ER and SDB-II Stormbreaker Bombs and EA-18G Growlers with the Next Generation Jammers.
Will the F-35C be the weapon system to break the S-400 missile system?
Also would the S-500 Prometheus do better vs the F-35?
Find out in the Fox-2 Podcast!
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Wow. Your words make my day. Thank you for the praise. I will try to live up to it.
You’re right on that
@@HypOps keep on downing exactly what you're doing. It's extrmeley entertaining. Your storytelling is next level.
I tried to download CMO but was disappointed when it didn't live up to your videos haha.
Consider adding a total engagement cost showing the dollar amount of the fight. Would be interesting bit of context.
@@ImperiumLibertas Yes, the cost of the engagment would be a great addition.
They'll be 1M in no time
Before the war in Ukraine I felt like you were underestimating the Russian abilities. Now, I feel like you were severely overestimating them.
Oh yes, always believe the one-sided news, Ukraine is winning.
@@KJ-kn8pg Well, Ukraine won the battles for Kyiv and Kharkiv, are making advances in the south and are overall giving the Russians a VERY bloody nose where on paper they should not have been able to.
Do I think they are winning, though? No, not really. They are slowly being pushed out of the Donbass and are suffering a lot of losses, both militarily and civilian, and have had massive damage done to their infrastructure, industry and agriculture as well as basic services such as water and electricity.
If you can't distinguish "Russia is doing poorly" from "Ukraine is winning", that's a you problem, not a me problem.
Edit: chaged the word they for Ukraine in the first sentence
@@piccolo917 Kyiv was a false flag, northern army had 30 000 troops of which 13 000 were even going towards Kiyv itself.
As for the advances in the south... What advances? Well Kherson and entire coast from sea of Azov straits to near Odessa is in Russian hands, firmly!
@@Lomnjac007 if kyiv was a false flag, so was the entire invasion. cope, bitch.
@@Lomnjac007 For now. We thirst for war. Best leave soon
"A single F-35, callsign 'Grinch' pushes out ahead of the pack. Grinch has got eight Stormbreaker glide bombs and he is coming to ruin Christmas." that line absolutely killed me. The concept. The Delivery. Just perfect
17:45
Yeah, that'll ruin Christmas alright
And then hist friends light up the radar like a chrismas tree at 18:40 ^ ^
Если не упадет в море еще на подлете
@@pacient72I put good tax dollars into those things, I sure as shit hope it doesn’t.
ATACMS have been BBQing S-400 for months now
was going to see if anyone was going to point that out
"Did I underrate the S-400?"
Based on experience in the invasion of Ukraine, I'd say it's been overrated.
For anyone not up-to-date, two S-400 missile systems in Crimea were largely destroyed by Ukrainian Neptune missiles last August, and at least six S-400 launchers and a S-400 command vehicle have been destroyed by GMLRs in Eastern Ukraine/Russia since January of last year.
@@mso1ps4 Did the ghost of Kiev tell you that personally?😂
@@BillyBob-bd1hj How do you think they blew up? The SAT pictures are clear. The units are gone.
@@BillyBob-bd1hj cope and seethe fashie
@@BillyBob-bd1hjthe ghost of Kyiv was real buddy
Never thought modern warfare was as complex as this. Sounds like it's being fought by engineers and hackers rather than soldiers.
Partialy … we would know more in lets say a year or two … f35 is the future tho .. and recent conflict only confirmed this
It is. And it always has been
its always been, its just soldiers get all the attention since they re the ones taking the most losses
You should see sea warfare with AEW up on both sides, with decent size sea swells. It is entirely possible to possibly shoot your own self down.
@@TonyNMD_ That'll change in WW3 when a carrier grou p gets wiped out losing 30 thousand sailors and marines total on both sides total. Fire damage control suppression ftw.
"Grinch has got 8 StormBreaker glide bombs, and he's coming to ruin Christmas"
Man, I know it's been a while but that's really not how I remember that movie ending lmao
as heartwarming as the movie was, i think it would end kinda differently if the grinch had cluster bombs to drop on whoville
Yeah. It's in the director's cut.
Special thinks to Broke who came up with the Grinch callsign . When I was recording this section nearing Christmas, I just knew I had to work that in there somehow.
yeah he gets shot down by Santa in a 6th generation stealth interceptor
@@KoishiVibin the nightmare before Christmas.
No literally that’s the climax Santa gets shot down
Turns out all it takes to take out an S400 is a Neptune missile in ground attack mode
lol yeah
Yup, S-400 is not that scary all of a sudden tbh 🤣
btw the mode didnt even existed until recently mf just tested on it
Undisputed achievement of mighty Ukrainian military industry (and totally not Storm Shadows btw)
Cope more.
I like to come back to this video every now and then for a good laugh. All I gotta do is sort comments by newest to find all the Vatniks.
Yup :D
I be doing that rn😂
Interesting to return here after Ukrainian strikes on Crimea, who could have known that drones and old AA missiles would be enough to breach the S-400 AA.
It however probably means that US ships are in big danger from chinese anti-ship missiles
@@jimmcneal5292 What a fool you have to be to shoot down a slow and cheap drone with specialized and very expensive air defense for cruise missiles and S-400 aircraft. And the funny thing is that the patriot in Kiev did not shoot down a single shahid, but the patriot was destroyed
@@fancy1929 well, drones can be directed to destroy the AA systems. However I haven't seen the evidence of the Patriot destroyed, so it probably is not true
It's astounding just what eight years of technological progression can do to a battlefield, from a near fair fight to an absolute slaughter. Just goes to show the value of high tech weaponry for any military.
S-500 is the F22 and F35 killer.
@@eliasziad7864 All 7 of them (Including the mock-ups)
@@f.powell8724 What 7 of them?
@@eliasziad7864 yeah and then pilots preform a turn and lose the missle because S500 is an ABM platform not meant to engage maneuvering aircraft
@@seanmac1793 lets be real this is a game nothing like real war and s-500 is ment to engage f 35 not s400
the simulation is good, but it seams it didn't consider that one side is Russia and a quarter of missiles were stolen from the warehouse, 3 launch vehicles were lost due to poor tire maintenance and the radar team was drunk during the fight xd
Drinking vodka now... Nodding head
And the commander thought Saudi Arabia was attacking so most fighters went in the wrong direction, but nobody dared to tell him otherwise.
lol
Cool story bro. Hang on to the petrol dollar.
You forgot about the ones that never made it to the battlefield due to no fuel and stolen by Ukraine's tractor battalion.🤣🍻🥂🍾
"It is almost as if somebody set this up to explore SEAD". That is indeed exceptionally curious...
Russia: "Wait.... you wanna beat anti-air systems using air power"?
US: "No... I want to beat _everything_ using air power."
I know it might seem daunting getting over 2 million views for a channel under 100k, but we don't need something crazy big, this level of stuff is fantastic. I know I'm not speaking just for myself when I say we miss your content and can't wait to see what more is coming
It is the booby trap... the click bait
@@GTRNR wdym by this?
Nato has hired him to help plan attacks in Ukraine
We may not have needed something big but now we're getting it, would have been cool to see more of these mini-indepth videos exploring air defence concepts and stuff but seeing a full scale theoretical war is definitely more exciting.
What I've learned from HypOps videos. Have more missles than the enemy.
*_Why would the Russians defend a "dirt road" (air field) in the middle of the desert in the first place??_* If we learned something from the Syrian was it is that Russian are very good to prioritize, to make up of their shortfall. USA could not wipe out ISIS. But Russian bombed the oil trucks at the Turkish border crossings effectively halting the dollar flow. No salaries or new weapons for ISIS. And ISIS started to fall apart.
Sneed, Ligma, Moonman??? WTF are these call signs!?!?!?!
(I love them)
I think those are nicknames from HypOps patreon or something like that.
Also, IRL callsigns typically aren't cool like in movies. They're usually jokes based on name, personality, or something the pilot did during training. I wouldn't be surprised is Ligma was someone's callsign out there.
I like how when you talk about the second engagement and you're opening with the stealth attack, led by the reconnaissance, your voice is notably lower. It really gives that air of talking about the importance of surprise and keeping a low profile, and as soon as the jig is up, much more dramatic again. Being able to carry the mood of whats going on on the screen with your voice is a good talent to have, and you do have it.
Sorry for the long wait! I had to sort a few things out and figure out how to edit properly. Now that I'm happy with the channel's style, I'm going to focus on video upload frequency and start churning these out faster!
Thanks for the birthday wish man
So glad your back!
Yessss I've been waiting!!!!!!
Welcome back
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0:00 Cruise Missles
4:05 Setup
4:32 4th Gen
12:14 Intermission
13:21 5th Gen
21:00 Bruh Moment
@@hazardgoose2352 😂
That chemical plant …….. bruh enough with the missiles that like the 30th one
The f35s .. LUNCHTIME BOYS
the plant OH SH
Where was the Russian group of ships and what kind of work did they do during all these battles?
This video is banal propaganda. It is designed for airplane pilots first and air defense operators second, so that they will be afraid of the аmerican army, which will become so strong in 2024, and immediately leave the army
2 storm shadows flew right by a s300/400 battery and even the Russian crew were laughing.
And proceeded to hit right into an admirals office.
2 out of how many fired? Russia has shot down and jammed numerous storm shadows. This is why you don't hear of them anymore.
Most of it was intercepted by pantsir and the admiral is still alive Russia literally paved the entire Ukraine 😂😂
@@nelsonking The Su-24 can only carry 2 so probably only 2.
@@golamazammazumder There's also video of Pantsir crews filming the tracking system losing lock on Storm Shadows. Obviously Pantsir crews were blamed for strikes so they had to share it wasn't their fault but the system being hindered by stealth
Now, add the element of only half of those russian missiles being present in their launch tubes (rest sold on the black market) and it being crewed by at least 30% incompetent drunks.
This channel could really take off if you upload consistently, as it provides an unprecedented visualization of modern-day conflicts and policies. The videos are engaging and I can't wait to see some of the upcoming videos you have mentioned in the comments.
As great as Russian or any missile defense system is, there is no answer for attrition and exhaustion. All systems can be overcome by merciless attack. Awesome stuff.
Yes but the concealment of f35 is absolutely astonisthing … enemy radar is practicaly useless to the moment when the attack begins …
Or two Mi-24s
he can talk all he wants, thats not the real thing-- the Russians prepare their systems for all these scenarios. if the Russian plane takes into the air, they have electronic systems with them
THE AMERICANS CAN NEVER GAIN AIR SUPERIORITY OVER RUSSIA'S DEFENCE SYSTEMS. --THE RUSSIANS DO NOT RELY ON JUST s300. THEY HAVE THE BEST ELECTRONICS SYSTEMS IN THE WORLD
AND THEY HAVE USED IT AGAINST AMERICAN SHIPS WITH GREAT SUCCESS
They have also used it in Stria against the F35 and caused a lot of problems for them
@@randyeduo they can’t shoot down two Hinds, what are you talking about?
meanwhile, in real life: S-400 gets blown up by an FPV drone
A patriot, by the way, too. It's not their job. Just as the Patriots could not shoot down a single hypersonic Kinozal, so the S 400 cannot shoot down low-flying storm shadow (although usually almost all are shot down) and FPVdrones
Not really. Some old Ukrainian S-300 launchers were destroyed by the Russian Lancet drone though
@@_Void_Archive_ OSINT has already confirmed the Kinzhal wreckage in Kyiv to the one crashed in Crimea, where they both share the same parts from Iskander-M and the same unitary warhead. It’s not a FAB-500 either, as when was the last time a Russian jet flew over Kyiv? Kinzhal is literally an air-launched Iskander-M as well, with the US having similar system called the GAM-87 since the 1960s that went Mach 12. Patriot has been well-optimized to deal with ballistic missiles including hypersonic MIRVs and MARVs, with BMD being its primary mission since the 1991 Gulf War. From 2015 to today, the Patriot has already shot down 300+ ballistic missiles. What source said Russia shoots down down storm shadows as well?
@@_Void_Archive_ The Patriot shot down several Kinzhals because 1) they were fired directly at the Patriot and 2) they aren't hypersonic
@@eraserstp How are those lone S400's doing in Crimea? Not very well it seems. Russia lost another ship in Feodosia
And of course you are assuming that the Russian hardware is in good working order, which would be a generous assumption.
Everyone comments about severely overestimating Russia's capabilities but I just keep coming back to read the comments of the general anti-us crowd desperately trying to cling onto the old days when we didn't know how incompetent Russia actually is. I'm not sure if schadenfreude is the correct word. Great video btw, looking forward to the next one.
Hey to be fair to Russia they are sending in junk to Ukraine. A lot of the videos of captured Russian soldiers they are all prisoners given reduced sentences to fight in Ukraine. So they are even sending junk soldiers. Either way economically Russia wouldn't have a chance against NATO. China is the threat. Especially in about 5 years time. Power shift for sure.
Aged like shit
Despite this seems like an unfair bully of the S400 system, this video shows exactly the strategic value of the S400: to make the attack so costly and complex that the attacker has to escalate the situation to achieve a minor tactical objective. The countries that buy those systems get their money's worth, assuming they can keep readiness high (which we know is the hard part).
Destroying red teams SAM system is not a minor tactical objective. Assuming they cannot be easily replaced, you have just created a scenario where other strategically important targets can be eliminated inside the theater of operations.
Less costly than having russians there ?
Without the putilanders there it will less costly to beat syrians, no?
And the weapon stockpiles are full...
Minor tactical objective ? If the S-400 systems were to protect something of strategic significance, often they would probably do, rendering them useless means breaking the cover wide open to destroy those dangerously exposed high value targets. Quite a major win, actually.
Everyone says that destroying the S400 system is a major win keep in mind that the second test is done with weapons operational in 2023, at which point the S400 is likely an out-of-date system and not likely be defending high-value targets, not alone anyway. So take out an S400 system in 2023 is only a minor victory. For the first test let face it all those lost aircraft are just not worth it.
@@LLAALALA - What would replace S-400 by then ? Would they be capable to survive an overwhelming attack similar to the 2nd sim scenario ?
Significant overestimation of the capabilities of the S400 and significant underestimation of the capabilities of American tech and countermeasures...... The EW on the F18 and F35 would mean a S400 wouldn't even come close, no need for defensive maneuvering.
Both were overestimated, Russian air defenses wouldn't respond as that with that much effectiveness and the amount of aircraft that were deployed on the American side was way too much. It's like mag dumping a civilian. Furthermore, the F18 would be struck without maneuvering due to the speed of the S400 missiles. The S400 would pick the F18s off one by one because of the radar and range advantages before the F18s could fire a missile. To prove this, an S400 missile goes 17,280 kilometres an hour whereas the top speed of the F18 is 1,915 kilometres an hour. You can do the math. (Also not sure about the F35, I'm mostly focused on older American aircraft)
Thank god there are a bunch of 5 star military generals in the commentary section to help on this subject matter
This has to be the best demonstration of an integrated air defense system, and the methods to penetrate and break one.
I think the coolest part is how this demonstrates the importance of electronic warfare in a modern battlefield. It's always been tough to learn and understand it, but this video does a great job at showing and explaining it!
This is logical only to someone completely ignorant. After 3 months of continuos bombing during invasion on Serbia, only 25% of relict radar systems were destroyed.
(pore American public are unaware of super cheap radar wave emiter decoys with far stronger emissions than actual radars)
In Serbia we lured thousants of super- expensive loiter weapons with 20/$ microwawe ovens. 😂.
Ignorance is truly bliss.
@@OleDiaBole That's true, the Yugoslavians were incredibly clever at keeping their assets alive even in the face of technological and material superiority.
On top of the microwave decoys (which I heard were even combined with fake radars to fool visual observers), the Yugoslavs also had a number of other tricks. For one, their decoys were remarkably effective. After the ceasefire, NATO observers would still have difficulty telling a fake from a real one, even if they knew there was a fake. Their decoys would go so far as to cover fake MiGs in foil to simulate the radar return, as well as putting in a little bit of burning fuel to simulate a idling engine.
Another trick they made extensive use of was camouflage. On top of conventionally hiding their radar and missile sites when they weren't in use, the Yugoslavs would also use other clever applications of camouflage, such as stretching black material over bridges to make them look like roads so they wouldn't be bombed
In addition, some Yugoslav commanders were very careful with their assets, most famously Dani Zoltan, the same commander who led the unit that shot down the F-117. Using lessons learned from the 1982 Lebanon war as well as many of the methods mentioned above, his unit avoided 23 anti radiation missiles with only minimal losses.
Of course, while being so careful was good for staying alive, it wasn't as useful for downing enemy planes. Throughout the 78 day action, Yugoslavians as a whole could only claim 5 manned aircraft kills in total. It's a good example of how even if SEAD doesn't kill enemy installations, it can still stifle and mitigate their presence.
This is really a saturation attack against a vastly outnumbered air defense unit. They are using $3B worth of aircraft in the 4G scenario to attack an air defense unit that cost less than $400M. The S-400 unit ran out of missiles against the saturation attack and got hit as a result. In the 5G scenario they are using over $5B of aircraft to attack an outnumbered air defense unit from an earlier generation.
If the other side had even half the budget of the attacker, things would have been very different.
@@jefferyzhang1851 For the record, redfor has closer to 1.3B in assets, since redfor also has ~700m worth of air assets on top of their ground based launchers and radars worth roughly 600m. Blufor also spent approx. 200m worth of tomahawks in the initial strike before the main engagement
Regardless, I think that's a good observation: one of the main reasons why 5th gen was so much more successful was that they brought more munitions, and kept more of their aircraft alive to deliver their payloads.
Really shows how spending just a little bit more can turn 20% losses into 0% losses.
@Russell's Brand To be fair this was a fairly contrived attack-defense scenario.
Involving Russian counter strike options would have complicated the scenario beyond its central purpose: test a USN carrier battle group's strike capabilities against a single S-400 battery.
As I mentioned in my comment, it's a vastly lopsided fight when you use $30B of hardware to hit $300M worth of defenses.
In the 4G scenario, the defenders would have basically incurred no ground casualties if they had even 2 S-400 batteries.
As of 8/2023, Russia just lost one of their "high tech" S400 systems to a freaking American HIMARS rocket built in the 90's. 😂😂😂
It wasn't a Himar system it was a ship missile launched by the Ukrainian navy
They have been visually confirmed to have lost S-400s to HIMARS since AT LEAST November 2022.
@@Lecheno878 Isn't that even worse? A larger and slower target to be intercepted.
@@Just_A_Random_Desk mhm
@Lecheno878 too much of cnn,BBC,fox news mess you up nd make u end up like a fool for believing stuffs that not real but dream like your comment
Now s400 tested as failed against ATACMS
"Grinch has got eight Stormbreaker glide bombs and he’s coming to ruin Christmas" 🤣🤣🤣
This counts as a Christmas special!
For anyone who is upset, remember, this is only one battery of s-400 against almost a whole aircraft carrier air wing, in real life, it is unlikely that the US would have that many assets to overwhelm the defenses, in modern warfare, the capability to saturate enemy defenses may be the main differential that decide the outcome of a battle.
PS: Russia has almost 150 s-400 batteries.
Yeah this only simulation, only Petagon and Russian Defence Ministry are really know well their weapons. Outside that is only hypothetic figures based on there, that, this variables. Only real war can see the true one (hope it didnt happen).
True but this is best case scenario for S-400 - where enemy uses only air power of single task force to break thick anti air bubble. Russia doesn't have enough point defense assets to cover even half of these in such a thick defense. A lof of these S-400 are used for anti-ballistic defense, and lack typical short range cover. There's only up to 200 TOR's in entire Russian army, and not all of them are used for point defense of S-400. But safe to say they have enough to cover all front line systems with point defense. Also S-400 will not always have correct missiles loaded, and TEL's loaded for ballistic missiles won't really find anything to fire at.
In case of war, a lot of NATO assets would not even attempt to destroy S-400, rather would resort to ignoring the system all together, using stealth, jamming and altitude not to present themselves as targets in first place. Using ground forces and low altitude air strikes against soldiers at the front, and if front breaks then S-400 needs to retreat anyway, before it can be blasted by conventional artillery from ground, which can overwhelm it with ease if it gets into range. Especially dangerous would be massed MLRS strikes, that can often cover considerable range with considerable numbers - and can blindside radars.
As for example - Kaliningrad bases are within range of MRLS and even regular tube artillery from either Polish or Lithuanian territory. A saturation strike with hundereds of missiles from 122mm up would wipe air defense site regardless of how many systems there are in place and what point defense is used, often at fraction of cost of that site. And that would be worst case scenario for S-400 site.
Well my point is that even best air defense arrangement can be broken.
Yeah not nearly enough to deal with a full NATO assault wherever on the planet this face off happens to take place, the US by itself has 11 ready carrier strike groups. One of the first missions will be to degrade destroy enemy air defenses (SEAD). Just saying
I think you might be wrong there. The US is having a hard time keeping air groups up to full strength for all its active carriers. I will see if I can find the exact source.
@@Beneficiis the most one sided biased assessment so far. Research further on capabilities of the russians. In case of a war Europe will be destroyed way before Americans sign a treaty with Russia to end the war untouched. It high time western media tell the truth about Russia to their public.. this kind of gullibility will get most in the west off guard just like when the migs appeared in Vietnamese skies.
This is one of the coolest and best executed CZcams vids I’ve ever seen, regardless of topic… keep it up man I really love your videos!!!!
Seeing as how we overestimated Russian military capabilities, it makes you wonder how their ally, China, would do in a hypothetical war against little Taiwan
Over estimated? Do you honestly believe for a single second for Russia to show what it's capable of in Ukraine while NATO stands right behind Ukraine drooling like a rabid dog? Russia has chosen not to use anything but 80's tech in Ukraine, and are winning even while NATO is literally running out of weapons to give Ukraine. Russia is holding back so much, you ignorant bafoon
@@ajmush3131 I guess you are entitled to your own opinion
@@Otto505 Thanks, I wasn't aware of being able to have my own opinion, however, think logically. Would you deploy your Queen to kill pawns, or would you save her to checkmate the king? Seriously people who are capable of critical thinking in this country are an endangered spices.
@@ajmush3131 what ever
@@raiderdare7462 The argument of someone who knows he's dead wrong -
WW3 "Like WHAT-EVER, "
These simulations do a good job of conveying how complex, expensive, and destructive modern warfare can be. Often we only tend to see how advanced a single modern jet fighter is, without realizing that its opponent is equally advanced. The resulting air-to-air combat evens out and still has the same dynamic as two groups of warriors hurling javelins at each other and then running for cover, only more expensive.
I'm quite curious to see an exploration of drone swarms and their cost-effectiveness on the modern battlefield!
To what extent will they be able to change the battle space and will they render expensive fighter/carrier tactics obsolete?
smaller drones have no range and very limited EC and thus weak to electronic warfare. Cruise missile borage is the closest allegory, maybe having them stealth, cheaper with higher numbers and smarter to avoid defense and able to maneuver is the future. Not drone swarms.
Skyborg program the USAs project wingman have a bigger drones. longer range, heavier electronics, stealth with limited weapon storage and carrier centric. I could see dedicated smaller cheaper carriers carrying these new drones integrated into a navy strike group alongside the Super Carriers with F-35s. Expensive Fighters, semi expensive drones and carrier tactics are here to stay and is the future.
there was a concept of making a wall right next to EWR and TAR radars with really small radio wave emitting drone swarm. They are so small that even aaa would have struggle with it. Maybe they can bild the short range sam systems that engages with harms and stand off weapons
I'm always surprised how little content there is on modern warfare that goes beyond a single weapon platform and its capabilities. Often only a robovoice channel spouting propaganda numbers. Any reputable literature is typically geared towards military organizations/think tanks and there is basically nothing addressing/educating the general public. I hope I can do my bit to change this.
@@HypOps You're doing a great job ! Please keep doing that. I learned so much from your videos and you're right i never found videos like yours in this format.
In a way it's reassuring to see how targeted modern warfare is in comparison to the indiscriminate bombing of 80 years ago.
Discovered you the other day, so glad I did. Not many other channels do these simulations. You have so much potential.
I find this video a bit funnier now that the war has been in full swing for awhile now and has shown the Anti Air and general use of the S-400 has been proven to be completely useless. Consistently destroyed, taken out and unable to intercept most projectiles. But regardless still a great video with the information provided at the time, but in reality around the time stamp of 2:15 nearly 60% / over half of those s-400 missiles would vastly miss their targets or some not even properly launch out of the tube as they are now days also showing consistent lack of quality.
2:57 there is absolutely no way a jet let alone Russian Pilots are catching up to a Tomahawk missile mid flight let alone ever actually make contact just firing their guns at it. A lot of this video for some reason shows these all having like a 100% accuracy rating.
The video was made under the assumption that Russia is not lying about the capabilities of the S400, which was a mistake from the start 😂
This was absolutely fantastic, just wish your channel had more content because Wow this video was good. I’m not sure where HypOps has been the last 2 years of my life but I’m glad to have found you now. Keep it up brother!!
Awesome work, I've been looking lately for a realistic modern encounter between 2 different technologies & glad you're here !
Welcome aboard!
@@user-dp4ok9ox5w it’s silly to speculate anyway. He had a whole drawn out air battle to take out a US carrier when reality is they’ll just nuke the whole fleet if it got anywhere near them during war time
@@billjones7223 they're still going to have to hide a nuke launch with a barrage like this.
First off: Great work making this. :)
Second... It is kind of crazy how much we overestimated Russian air defenses. Turns out all you need to score kills is to bolt a few HARMs from the early 90s to a MiG and set them to autonomous mode.
IRL, it's not a "shoot 90 missiles and they shoot down 70" situation. It's one where you shoot 1 missile and it stands a moderate chance of hitting.
Russian propaganda is second to none. All of their stuff is overhyped. If Russia was as good at military operations as they are at propaganda, they would’ve conquered half the world by now
Russian military stuff is junk lol
in real life the retaliation is the real issue
right now US could absolutely wipe russia not just syria but would russia just wait and see and not use their 10k+ nukes ???
@@ko-Daegu They do not have even close to that numbet
@@thedausthed according to the CIA they do
regardless a 10'th of amount is enough to deter
Only just watched this, but the start of video simulation is the best visual demonstration of how this type of operation works, that I've ever seen. Excellent video!
3:12 The callsign is a subtle joke. There is a shop called "Sneed's Feed & Seed", where feed and seed both end in the sound "-eed", thus rhyming with the name of the owner, Sneed. The shop sign says that the shop was "Formerly Chuck's", implying that the two words beginning with "F" and "S" would have ended with "-uck", rhyming with "Chuck". So, when Chuck owned the shop, it would have been called "Chuck's Fuck and Suck".
What I learned is that it would take an entire carrier group, an unbelieveable amount of firepower, and 5th-generation everything, just to successfully take out one S-400 system. So the Russians have something that makes everyone else think three times before trying it. Quite an accomplishment.
@flshmastrj the scenario is bullshitty on the air to air side red behaving very stupidly. And it doesn't take into account the russian navy and hypersonic anti-ship missiles.
So there would be no carrier left to go back and re-arm if this attack took place.
So no the us navy can't destroy a russian owned s400.
@flshmastrj The US wins in Syria and loses all assets in Europe. And Russia will attack the command centres in the US, probably with nuclear weapons.
@flshmastrj you know that because of Syria since 2015 there is always a russian fleet in this area ?
Do you realize that all what red team does in the scenario is letting blue team win ?
Why did they send small waves after small waves of fighters instead of one big, why not turn off radar once sead missile have break through s400 barrage etc etc.
And blue team cheats the combat range of the super hornet is not that big they would have to take off inside the s400 bubble or they would have to have a tanker to refuel inside the s400 buble (ain't gonna happened). And you can't pump out 54 hornets every 20 seconds catapults have physical limits too and have to cool down. And from what i saw 54 is the maximum numbers of superhornets in a nimitz so you send all you air superiority aircraft in the wave and none is left protecting the fleet etc etc.
You see what i mean irl it can't go that way the guy made the video like this to make us citizens like you have an erection.
@flshmastrj well, it takes a carrier, 54 planes only expected to be developed by 2023 armed with not yet developed weapons and tech to defeat a single outdated by 2023 SAM site and 4-5 extremely outdated planes. I guess thats a "win".
@@vedeved5246 right, guess what would the US response be if Russians managed to take out a Supercarrier ? ...
noone would be dumb enough to launch an attack that would provoke NUCLEAR response over small skirmish like this ...
I'm just gonna join the army of people recognizing the "wining cues" for this YT channel. You've done a good job of finding a format that absolutely works. Realistic modern warfare with the right dose of technical data combined with a "movie-like" structure that keeps the viewer glued to the content until the very end.
With continued work I'd expect to see you up there with The Operations Room or even better in a year or two. Good luck. Subbed.
Wow, thank you for your praise. I will try to live up to the them.
I am surprised there are not people already doing what I am attempting, modern warfare/near future conflict is very interesting and yet the audience seems underserved to me.
@@HypOps there are a few, but you have a good combo of things that they don't have. Some are good story tellers, some are good at running Sims, some are intelligent, and some have good production value. You've put it all together. I just hope you can take the criticism...because even if you made perfect sims, people are going to pick them apart. Obviously you can't make a perfect representation of reality, but people are going to complain no matter what. Just do your best and try to not let any bias get to you.
Grim Reapers are a DCS group that does some similar simulations if you want to check out competition. But they are heavily focused on the game itself.
This is a game made by russians. Lol. Digital Combat Simulator.
It seemed obvious even a couple years ago that the Russians weren't telling the truth regarding the s400s capabilities. The war in ukraine has forced russia to show its true capabilities(or lack thereof) in a real world scenario. Not being able to achieve air superiority against legacy 4th gen tech is embarrassing. Its inability to deconflict to avoid shooting down their own planes is a huge weakness. Its vaunted range is likely overinflated, and obsolete with regard to the combination of NATO stealth/data link/stand off weapons.
the thing is that if the russian millitary was competent and maintained their equipment it would probably work
I think the Russia-Ukraine war somewhat demonstrated just how unreliable at times even modern SAM systems (S-300 & S-400) could be. Didn't Ukraine, at several times, successfully hit Russian airbases (heavy bomber bases) at the heart of Russian land mass using 1980's era drones which are subsonic? So where were the S-300/400, Pantsirs & Tors which are supposed to intercept & shotdown those drones? Then there was that Russian battle cruiser Moskva which was hit by Ukrainian anti-ship missile which caused the warship to sink eventually. The Moskva was equipped with sophisticated SAM & CIWS system which were rendered useless against Ukrainian Neptune anti-ship missiles flying at sub-sonic speed.
Now, US air to ground munitions like JASSM/JASSM-ER & SDB's are low observable weapons. While the HARM-ER is said to be flying at Mach-3 which would be difficult to intercept. I think it would be harder for SAM's & CIWS to shotdown those munitions especially if you factor in saturation & electronic jamming. I say in an actual battle/war, only about 50% to 60% of enemy munitions would be shotdown by S-300/400, Buk, Pantsir, Tor.
Most failures are due to lack of maintenance or radar failures for example the Moskva's radar interfered with communication and was turned off the hydraulics on the main gun were damaged the CWIS only had 1/7 working
@@B-52H Which goes to show how difficult & challenging it is to maintain all these high-tech war machines at 100% (or close to that) readiness & efficiency. Maintenance means money. As they say, war is mainly about economics.
@@jamclancy9335 its not so difficult to maintain if you have engeneers who can read and generals who would not steal maintaince money.
@@jamclancy9335 it’s not a difficulty of maintaining them so much as Russian military corruption
Surface to air weapons are always a last line of defense. As the strike package gets to choose when and where they will attack, have height and mobility on their side, and even get to use gravity itself to power their weapons while the defending side has to work against gravity.
Each attack aircraft can carry as many glide bombs, which might be low observable, as each SAM launching vehicle can carry missiles. And what happens if these glide bombs are just cluster munitions launchers like the JSOW? They could be adapted to deploy smaller glide bomblets or loiter bombs like switchblade.
Very cool
Glad you enjoyed it!
I'd say the same, I haven't seen such quality content in a while
@@HypOps very cool in dream. It is Us dream. Just dream. They frightened by S-400. Hahaha. That's why they united with all Eu. Otherwise America would be vanished long ago
@@narzullayev8907 you just fish haft of the video right 😒 😑.
Yes, nice job!
Please make more of these. This is such a niche topic to cover but you’re doing them incredibly well and the format is super realistic and informative keep up the great work!
I would argue about the "niche", at least from the point of how much money in the world is put into doing exactly this. ;)
@@snarkygnome619 it’s a niche topic for the common public is more what I’m going along with. I’m well aware it a massive industry, however outside of people who are directly involved this sort of stuff isn’t talked about super in-depth
@@iamwepty8986 Yeah I understand. :) Author is hitting just the right spot by bringing new content about stuff that interests a lot of people but is very difficult to talk argumentatively about or to bring content about - by using a simulator that is very niche (and bringing more attention to this simulator on the side).
@@snarkygnome619 precisely
I plan to really ramp up this year!
And to join the discussion, I think part of the reason is that so few creators in the space seem to do it well. Modern warfare is incredibly exciting if it is explained and presented well and there are only a few creators able to do that. As a counterpoint, Tom Clancy managed to do a very good job in the fictional novel space and gained a sizable audience for it. I hope to channel a bit of him for HypOps.
I’m so fucking HYPED for these OPS, congrats on the viral video
This did not age well.
Adding to the scenario state of "moscva" ship, and that this would be in similar disrepair, we can safely assume the first salvo would do at least twice the damage,
with some of the AA not even loaded with ammo, or in a broken state for no reason, or malfunctioning halfway because of poor mainentenance.
Brilliant video man. Definitely worth the wait and extra time for polishing. For those of you who are new, joining the discord is a major win. Definitely join it.
Sup KJohnston! Glad you liked it! (:
The Ukrainian conflict is currently teaching us that the Russian air and ground assets are incapable of combined operations. It's either all plane or all air defenses, this means they are very poorly integrated with one another.
Russian military is 95% psyops and 5% actual experience I have no doubt a fucking transgender drone operator could wipe out an entire Russian battalion tactical group
All air defence is good enough,it proved to be very effective in Yom Kippur war and Vietnam war.
@@jont2576 I agree Russians are weak there is no need for NATO.
@@jont2576 air defense is just that. It isn't projecting power. It isn't winning a war. It's simply air defense, and it's useless once tomahawks and radiation seeking missiles start hitting the command and control units.
@@KKSuited that's what the buk M2 is for and tell that to the Israelis in 1973
It gets even more funny when you realize S-400 was "protecting" a Russian boat that just got vaporized lmao
As we now know from the Ukraine, a few storm shadows are enough to switch off an S 400 battery. In reality, Russian air defense is much worse than we had imagined.
@@gerdipediaTV What is it about? The patriots couldn't shoot down a single missile, unless of course you believe the Ukrainian reformers, also with the S400 and other air defense systems. The Russian air defense is showing itself perfectly
@@_Void_Archive_ Didn't russia also kill 200 himars, 700 million patriot systems and 26 zelenskys
@@_Void_Archive_ blabla
@@gerdipediaTV Despite the Russian showing in Ukraine the system itself is still very capable But much like the US first uses of the patriot they don't exactly have all the experience to work out the kinks
Wow! The way you present these scenarios is amazing. Thank you.
Apparently in 2022, all you need to bring this down is half a dozen of TB-2 Bayraktar drones and maybe some jamming.
Yeah, it's wild to see the footage of them taking out that Tor system on Snake Island.
I like that in CMO you had to utilize the entire might of a carrier strike group to suppress \ destroy the S-400 battalion here. All it took in Ukraine to knock down several batteries (part of a large AD network) were a few ancient MiG-29 tweaked to carry ancient AGM-88B, coupled with some decoys \ drones. This illustrates just how hard it is to emulate actual readiness and gaps in coverage \ efficiency in a software that just reads the (declared) specifications and assumes the system's full posture and maximum readiness. SEAD operations are more intricate than just a large head on strike, and are often planned with a more careful approach in mind, distributing the strike to attrite, degrade the capability of the AD system, and/or use other operational means \ methods to suppress it. I am sure that AFTTP 3-1 and related manuals have a lot to say about it, no wonder it is classified.
Yeah these simulations are based on if you have mildly competent leaders/generals lol
@@Hectilli0n It's not just the Russians. Air defense is really really difficult even for good militaries. The USS Stark didn't manage to fire a single shot in self defense before being struck by Exocets.
In CMANO it would've been flinging SM-1s the whole while, blasting the Phalanx, and probably had sailors shooting .50 cals at the missiles, lol.
@@NonsenseFabricator Stark's air defence systems and phalanx were all turned off.
@@Sirius1914 Yeah, because they didn't detect the launch. Phalanx is normally switched off to avoid friendly fire.
@@NonsenseFabricator Because all of the systems were off.
SUBSCRIBED. What a well done video with great commentary.
And to think, the US military sometimes underplays their admitted capabilities
Thats what classified means
@@yujinhikita5611 ….ummmm, not the same thing really. What I’m talking about is available knowledge, stuff that isn’t classified. The military makes the claim that the system can for example, target enemies 4 miles away accurately. But in practice the system can target enemies 6 miles away but not as accurately.
In short, they’re not over stating the systems ability but their not mentioning it’s maximum strength.
Some military’s (cough cough Russia and China) say that their radar can hit targets 10 miles out with this missile system, but in practice it can hit a target 10 miles out, some of the time, but can only reliably hit targets 5 miles away.
nice one!
Oh wow! I've followed your work for years!
Wow surprising to see you here!
@@HypOps thank you, glad you enjoyed it!
Bullshit
Where russian anti-ship salvo from blacksea?
Just need to send in 30 Ukrainian farmers on tractors to tow away all the Russian SAMS.
You win my friend 😁
There is a meme with a tractor on the seabed attached to the stern of the cruiser pulling it under😂
Whilst you trust in Ukraine advancing, Russia is burning soil and larg scale surrendering is happening at the moment. Azov is done.
@@darkonojic7494 Does burnt soil taste good?
Best comment 👌
"UNSAFE WORKING CONDITIONS" 😆 I almost screamed at my screen, I lol'd so hard
I cannot wait for your next video(s), top quality content
This channel is poised to blow up. If you start putting out videos on a frequent basis CZcamss algorithm will promote your videos much more.
The quality is outstanding and I’m sure you’ll be recognized for it if u keep at it.
I'm almost happy with the video quality in this one. I'll be focusing on upload frequency now.
Piling on with others' praise. Just found this and am blown away by the quality of content - great setup, storytelling, and humor to boot. Instant sub!
Another point: I have a few hundred hours in DCS, but despite nerding out on that a lot, I've always struggled to grasp the "big picture" of larger campaigns. Things like what role the EW/support aircraft are really playing, why SEAD/DEAD/CAP packages are structured and ordered the way they are, etc. I kind of just went through the motions and pushed the buttons; had a good time but never really 'got it'. I know this vid is just a sim-based simplification but I still feel like I learned more from this than anything else before!
Keep up the great work!
Looks like you'd enjoy Falcon BMS, then. That thing has an unmatched campaign engine :D
You are never going to grasp that just by playing a game and listening to people who are just throwing out guesses...
The biggest flaw in this whole scenario is assuming the S400 works properly and that any Russian jets wouldn’t explode or disintegrate after take off
Overestimating the enemy and preparing for them at their theoretical best is doctrinal in the US Military.
With countries like China and Russia, they have to keep things looking perfect. When they reveal a new weapon, they have to show it off at a parade. They have to show how strong they are, they don't need to improve. The United States might have a reveal for something to please shareholders, but they never assume something is perfect. They have the largest defense budget in the world for a reason. They're ALWAYS 7 steps ahead. While military advisors in Russia and China keep telling themselves that everything is perfect and no improvements are needed, the United States is constantly underestimating itself. Constantly finding ways to get better so when they do eventually see combat, they can assure that it will be as one sided of a fight as possible.
This hasn't helped the pre-Ukraine war narrative that Russia is strong by basically everyone on the internet (myself and a few others excluded, I can prove it by going back through my comment history), but it has made for a spectacle the last couple of years.
You need to make more of these videos - I NEED MORE, please! I'm totally addicted!
This issue here is you're highly overestimating the Air Defense capability of Russia's personnel. It's one thing for the S-400 to engage, but now you're asking for ground controllers to "walk on" fighters for engagement on cruise missiles. CMs have very small RCS and it's extremely difficult to find and engage them.
We do exercises all the time with cruise missile defense and most times a fighter might be able to take out 2 cruise missiles before the rest get through and you can't chase them down.
Yeah russian personel are so useless when a serb ground officer took down an American F117 with an outdated Anti Air. You are very nationalistic.
Still, it’s better to overestimate than underestimate right?
@@Butter_Warrior99 Sure, but only up to a degree. At some point it's gross overestimation. From what I've seen in my career trying to target aircraft to cruise missiles, this is a high overestimation.
That means no training.
@@Butter_Warrior99 If that were always true, Russian propaganda wouldn't have worked so hard to make us overestimate them.
Cool simulation but I gotta say, a carrier strike group costs >25 billion with escort and aircraft and an s400 batallion is less than a billion
this s-400 with the missiles its was using would cost 5.8 billion
fellow viewer came up with these calculations:
Here's the numbers: "4th gen:
Red losses/expenditure
S400 battery: 48x~$1.5mil (estimate) for the missiles, destroyed radars & launcher probably cost >$100m for a total of ~$172m
Buk, Tor, Pantsir: Couldn't find any specific numbers on any of these but the Pantsir which is $13 mil a pop. Considering this, I don't think all of them combined total much more than $50m, including ammunitions.
Su35: $85 mil a pop * 6 = $510mil
Su34: $42 mil a pop * 4 = $188mil
A2A missiles: 60x R77 ($500k-$1 mil estimate each, let's say $500k), 20x R73 ($200k each estimate), 24 R27 variants ($200k estimate each). Total for all of that of ~$39mil
Total for everything: $959mil
Blue losses/expenditure (I'm assuming they fired all their munitions except sidewiners):
Prowlers: 3x Prowlers lost for $52mil each, total $156mil
Hornets: 1x Hornet at ~$30mil
Super Hornets: 5x Super Hornet at $70mil a pop = $350mil
ADM-160C MALD-J: ~$400k24=~$10mil
AMRAAM: 72~$1mil=$72mil
JSOW: $282k32=~$9mil
AARGMs: 48$870k=~$42mil
Grand total: $669mil (probably overestimate as well as not close to all AMRAAMs were fired, also ~1/4 of the losses were Prowlers which aren't even in use anymore and thus the replacement cost of $52mil isn't really the value of the aircraft)
If we just take the air-to-ground missiles fired vs. the interceptors, Blue team's costs are still lower at ~$51mil vs ~$72mil, and that's not even including the expenditure of all the Buk, Tor, and Pantsir batteries. (edited)
[1:06 AM]
The 5th gen scenario expenditure by Blue team on missiles is ~$200k64 for the glide bombs + $1.3mil16 for the AARGM-ERs for a total of ~$33.6mil. If we include all the destruction wrought on the Red team in the 5th gen scenario, the Blue team expended less than $75mil in munitions and killed somewhere in the range of $1.5bil in Red team equipment."
@@HypOps
...ya might as well shoot a small country at them then. Jesus!
The idea is that this s400 is protecting something valuable that needs to be attacked after the s400 battalion is destroyed
@@HypOps now I am curious to see an estimate of how many military assets a country would have to lose to lose a war through bankruptcy.
Awesome 👍.keep them coming.
This video is just so good. I've come back to rewatch this 3 times now ❤️
The author does not correctly interpret the events of April 7, 2017 in Syria. There were no S-400s or S-300s there. Russia delivered the S-300s to Syria only in 2018. The Su-35 was not shot down by American Tomahawks because American ships would have seen it. Of the 98 tomahawks, only 12 flew thanks to the Russian Ew Krasukha 4 and the Carpool.Several Tomahawks were generally landed almost intact and taken away to study.
hypothetical clash
@@garethwilliams8398 Hypothetical BS!
This is, of course, pure Russian propaganda and a big fat lie.
@@wannabecriminalman Lol. The flight from Afghanistan is also purely Russian propaganda. In fact, this is a maneuver to lure the Taliban to the United States and defeat it there.
As someone who attacked targets and SAM systems in N Vietnam, I can agree with you that even in those ancient days, ECM was a life-saver.
Thank you for your service!
Something I find fascinating: the ALQ-99 jammers used in the 4th gen scenario was first introduced late in the Vietnam war. Perhaps you saw one in your time there?
Even these older jammers are still classified technology 50 years onwards.
Yeah I remember those SAM system in Vietnam!!!! The American jets were dropping like birds out of the sky dey didn't have a chance against those SAM system. Greetings from LAS Vegas
@@nikogrujic6807 Since you guys were over there, was it true that US pilots weren’t allowed to engage the very thing (the SAM sites) that was taking them out due to fear of killing soviet advisors?
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i stumbled onto this channel and these videos are my new favorite
What a fantastic and informative video. I learned a lot in this short time period. So entertaining. Thank you!
Dec 2021: s400 stronk
Aug 2022: What air defense doing???
Boomerang Russian air defense 🚀 🪃💥
October and November, Russian air defense systems shoots down every other HIMARS rockets.
@@eliasziad7864 Assuming what you say is even remotely true, saying it takes several months for Russian air defense to get to a point where it is able to provide even basic defense for it's forces is not a good thing.
If this was a fight against NATO, RU would have no ground forces left to defend.
@@alexdewitt1337 What an idiot. All you can think about is "Russia bad" so you people resort to wishful thinking instead of having an actual educated argument.
@@mr.normalguy69 Nice try 🤣🤣 if you knew the metadata you would know it was a US Patriot system in Yemen/Soudi
Holy cow. This whole war game scenario is amazing. Also like how you sprinkle in some dry humor as well.
Very impressive knowledge of all these combat systems.
Too bad he didn't include Russian air superiority surface naval vessels and submarines. Plus there is high probability the Russians are able to spot the F 35s by now, but who knows. I hope we never have to find out.
@@afisemenaborevlaka48 Do you still believe this? LMAO
as if the Russians had this much operating stuff
The most theoretical about the video is that russian tech works.
As they say, flexibility is the key to air power. The most obvious issue with the American 4th gen attack is that they don't use the mountain range to the east of the SAM site. Flying low on the eastern side of the mountain range, the attackers should be able to deny all the ground-based air defenses the ability to shoot at the aircraft, leaving them the same weapon saturation attack they faced in the 5th gen strike. They may have needed tanker support and overflight into Israel and Jordan to pull that off, but I think it's fair to give them that. The only real threat would have been the fighters, and they could have either been saturated with MALDs or perhaps picked off with MALD/Prowler supported Hornets before they even get the chance to shoot.
I guess we don't send out a lot of flares to confuse the heat seeking missiles ?
Excellent, entertaining and detailed. By far the best combat scenarios I've seen on CZcams. Please make more!
CZcams at war
Gen5 sounds terrifying... Imagine what kind of damage a strike like this can do to a unsuspecting highly populated city....
The beautifully engineered carnage.
Really high quality stuff!
Eine Simulation ist komplett Sinnfrei. Da viele Faktoren nicht berücksichtigt werden und viele Daten unter Verschluss sind. So ist es einfach nur ne Vermutung oder ein Wunschergebnis. Je nach dem auf welcher Seite man sich befindet.
Es beruhigt die Amerikaner, wenn sie sehen, dass das viele Geld für die Rüstung gut angelegt ist.
Aus taktischer und strategischer Sicht ist diese Studie wertlos. Ein massiver Angriff mit Tomahawks im Werte von mehr als 100 Mio $ würde mglw Erfolg haben, aber danach wäre die Munition der Kampfgruppe auch stark reduziert. Die Studie kann ich auf diese Weise immer zum Erfolg führen, ich setzen dann eben 200, 400 oder 1000 Tomahawks ein, was deren Unsinn aufzeigt.
Die anderen Szenarien gehen ebenfalls davon aus, dass ein statisches Ziel angegriffen wird und der Russe keine aktiven Gegenaktionen gegen den Ursprung des Angriffes startet. Das darf man kaum erwarten. Weiterhin ist Überraschung eine der wesentlichen Kampftaktiken - was ist, wenn der Russe eine weitere S-400 und Flugnahabwehr vor Ort hat? Was ist, wenn er stark befestigte Stellungen nutzt? Was ist mit dem Gegenschlag?
@@vicwaberub5297 wie der Autor schon sagt ist es ein vereinfachtes Szenario und zeigt eine Möglichkeit. Wenn es mehr als ein Aktives SA 400 gibt, dann wissen die Amis das. Durch Satellitenbilder und Radaremissionen. Wenn es Plattformen gibt, welche der CSG gefährlich werden können, dann werden die zuerst ausgeschaltet. Sind ja nicht dumm, die Amis. Die russische Marine ist nicht in der Lage, der amerikanischen Marine in die Nähe zu kommen, im Kriegsfall, aufgrund der Lufthoheit. Hier geht es aber um Stealth Technologie gegen die SA 400, nicht um Marine gegen Marine...
@@Andreas-gh6is Die Russen wissen das ja auch, daher wird eine zweite S400 nicht vorab enttarnt.
Letztlich haben auch die Russen Satelliten und werden den Carrier seit seinem Auslaufen verfolgen und auch die Flugbewegungen automatisiert verfolgen.
Ich denke so einfach wie in der Simulation ist es nicht. Die Russen haben ja extra Anticarrier-Strategien entwickelt.
@@vicwaberub5297 Nope, ein getarntes SA-400 ist nutzlos. Erstens handelt es sich um ein aus Dutzenden Fahrzeugen zusammengesetztes System, dass man erstmal vor aller Welt versteckt halten muss, das ist nicht so einfach. Zweitens können die jeweiligen Fahrzeuge nicht einfach irgendwo stehen um effektiv zu sein. Drittens sind diese Radarsysteme so starke Sender, dass man sie aus hunderten Kilometer Entfernung bequem orten kann. Also ja, man weiß immer genau wie viele davon im Einsatz sind. Flugzeuge kann man über Satellit nicht verfolgen, dafür sind Kampfflugzeuge zu klein, zu schnell und zu viele. Stealth Fighter schon gar nicht. Und ja, die Russen haben Strategien gegen Flugzeugträger, sagen sie zumindest. Ob die dann auch funktionieren und die Amerikaner nicht auch Strategien gegen die Strategien haben, ist die andere Frage. Ich habe eher Zweifel, dass die russischen Raketen im Falle des Falles noch so funktionieren wie sie eigentlich sollen...
@@Andreas-gh6is Naja, das zweite S-400 wäre m.E. nicht im Betrieb, das wird nur aktiviert wenn der Angriff läuft oder nach dem Angriff, wenn der Hauptangriff gegen die beabsichtigten Ziele erfolgt. Aber natürlich ist es ein sehr komplexes System.
Was die Satelliten können: Ich bin mir da nicht so sicher. Aber letztlich werden die Russen einen solchen Angriff durchgespielt haben. Wenn wir etwas aus der Wehrtechnik kennen, dann doch die schnelle Reaktion der Abwehr. Schon Hitler hatte das Konzept, dass jedes Jahr Krieg eine neue Generation von Waffen erforderlich macht, d.h. die Planungen der Waffensysteme überschneidet sich und mit dem Erscheinen ist diese bereits wieder veraltet.
A lot of modern media, while deeply enjoying violence, often avoids depicting large scale modern engagements, finding it too difficult to make a battle fought with radio waves and computer screens exiting. Either battles are simplified to an earlier tech level, where modern stealth fighters somehow engage in dogfights, or they are portrayed with a few passing mentions, with the focus of the story being something else.
This CZcams channel somehow manages to do it all, spectacularly.
Not to mention the ability of viewers to understand stuff.
I remember an article abput an Israelian air raid, where a fighter used a russian helicopter to loose a SAM that then hit the helicopter. People called that anti-semitism as an aircraft could never hide behind another aircraft.
"Publicly claimed" depends on who's saying it. USA? It's an understatement. Russia or China? Gross overstatement
There's a video going around of an S-400 site shooting off 6 interceptors and then getting whacked by a cluster ATACMS. The best interpretation is that the Ukrainians shot 5 ATACMS at that one site, and they hit 4. There's some reporting that 5 ATACMS total were used in that strike. Of course, it could have been at 5 different targets. The worst interpretation, naturally, is that they shot 6 interceptors at one measly ATACMS and they missed all 6.
All I can say is this is an excellent video. Completely new way of viewing the modern battlefield for a armchair general like myself. Thank you. I'd support a Patreon for more of this
Guess you will need to update this considering how bad Russia has performed in Ukraine.
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Says the media. You tell me why western journalist are getting arrested in their own countries for spreading "misinformation" because they say good about Russia? It's because Russia is winning. Hands down. Also hope you don't live in Western Europe cause it's getting cold!!!!!
@@ogbonnasam9997 no no, handy man's got a point XD
Yea their propaganda wasnt near as good as ukraines. I guess we'll have to wait and see if propaganda is enough to win a war.
No, it's still a capable system, why do you think there's literally barely any Ukrainian flights? Because most were destroyed in the air by SAMs in Russia and airborne fighters and interceptors during the first hours and days and weeks
As we now know from the Ukraine, a few storm shadows are enough to switch off an S 400 battery. In reality, Russian air defense is much worse than we had imagined.
This simulation does not take into account that russian army is a parade army.
I greatly appreciate what you have done here. You have visualized and simulated what I have been trying to explain to people for the past three years now, that the F-35 is not intended to act alone as an air superiority fighter, that its stats alone do not determine its effectiveness. It is one integrated component in a carefully calculated stratagem to capitalize on American standoff strike capability and compel a defending force to surrender its position by engaging active detection systems regardless for how advanced those systems may be.
You are awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it! I'm very happy with how the CEC and stealth/perspective sections turned out. These aspects are difficult to explain to the general public and I think this video did a reasonable job showcasing why they are so important on the modern battlefield.
In layman's terms:
The F-35 is intended to act as part of a network, and kek at enemy IADS by doing SEAD from outside their pew pew capabilities
@@KoishiVibin Fortunately for the defender their radars have no problems detecting the F35 at long distances and so any miscalculation of the depletion of the defender's missile capability will get the attacking side destroyed.
@@yaz2928 it meen that Israel have huge looses in Syria.
I can not remember Israel have any of it's F35 shoot down in Syria.
Am I wrong or?
@@strudaren3263 First of all, Israel does not fly its jets over Syria. It fires its missiles from Lebanese airspace towards Syria because of Syrian AA defense. The one time Israel did enter Syrian airspace its jet (F16) was destroyed at the Golan Heights.
Secondly, Russia has been intentionally turning off the S400 and allowing Israel to bomb Syria. Lots of Syrians are angry about this and it has strained ties between Syria and Russia.
Hah! That cr*ppy S-400 could not even protect Kursk, Engels, and Dyagilevo air bases despite they are located about 1000 kms deep inside Russia. S-400 with its supposed 400 kms range is only good at their brochures and propaganda. In real life? They are just paper weight 🤣🤣
The fact you spent $80 on this game just to show off military tactics is kinda pog
I always thought combats like these were way simplier than what you've shown, so many tactical terms that ive never heard of. Real good video. [bout the callsign, permission to add in DEFCON-95 in?]
Тут обсуждается только воздушный удар, но забыли про корабли, и подводные лодки, думаю флот синей команды будет уничтожен после первой же агрессий, забыли также про РЭБ со стороны красной команды, она выведите из строя часть ракет и самолётов.
Это сказки для детей. Ониксы,калибры ,граниты, а теперь уже и цирконы никто не отменял. Такая смоделированная ситуация нереальна. Пока они с миллионной гарантией не будут знать, что ни одна встречная ракета не попадет в их круизный лайнер под названием авианосец АГ с 5000 тясячами людей на борту, они будут побеждать только в компьютерных играх, хваля свое оружие.Это удел "победителей" в Афганистане.
You forget that this is an attack on Syria not Russia using specific circumstances as all war games are set there are easily circumstances where Russia would easily overwhelm an US carrier group along with circumstances where they couldn’t even scratch a single ship.
The situation at the end was using 5th gen fighters against air defense systems and aircraft that are in the airbase today and which would then be outdated as they were built before 5th gen fighters where in production. You can see that against 4th gen fighters the anti air and Russian fighters perform significantly better effectively causing enough losses effectively make it a US defeat despite partial success in destroying the anti air defenses. If the F35s where to go up against next gen Russian anti air or the Russian 5th gen fighters the outcome could and probably would be different but that’s irrelevant as that’s not the situation they are in.
@@wero6277 бгггг... типичный свидетель "аналоговнетов"
@@noidontthinksolol they using their military AS terrorism and their fathers mathers and brothers supporting war against Ukraine (a least most of them),so yeah, they nothing like normal people they are bloodthirsty brainwashed will-less basterds.
@@dave8598 Кровожадные ублюдки, воюющие с Украиной - это про всех Русских?
Близко. Вот только во второй симуляции вы не учли ряда факторов.
1. При угрозе атаки ракетами типа HARM радары начинают переключаться между собой, в процессе меняя место работы (вы заметили, что они тоже мобильные?). Это сильно уменьшает вероятность попадания ракеты.
2. Есть замечательная система "Газетчик". Это система автоматической установки помех боеприпасам воздух-земля. Активные помехи, пассивные помехи, ложные цели. 2 штуки на дивизион, т.е. 6 штук минимум на этой карте. Вы их не учли.
3. "Буки" могут пускать ракеты прямо с ТЗМ. Это не рекомендуется, но в таком бою лучше успеть выстрелить всё, пока есть кому стрелять. Количество готовых к бою ракет "Бук" нужно удвоить.
4. Не забываем, что у ВС РФ есть свои системы активной РЭБ. Их эффективность уж точно не ниже устаревших систем на "Проулерах".
Главное - САСШ не могли стрелять по целям, связанным с химическим оружием в Сирии, так как в Сирии давно уже нет химического оружия. Его уничтожили под контролем РФ и ОЗХО. Следовательно - Северо-Американские Соединённые Штаты нанесли удар по случайным целям на территории страны, с которой у них не было войны. Без объявления войны и санкции ООН. За такое автоматом положены международные санкции и отключение от SWIFT. Или вы не согласны? )))
Более того - в таком случае эта страна имеет полное законное право нанести ответный удар. Противокорабельные ракеты достанут с побережья Сирии до US NAVY. 24 ракеты несёт дивизион БРК "Бастион", 32 ракеты БРК "Бал". Хватит, чтобы вывести из строя авианосец и большую часть эсминцев. Третьей части не будет - F-35 не умеют взлетать с искорёженной накрененной палубы.
Ну и последнее - вы в курсе, что все самолёты типа F-117, F-22, F-35, малозаметные в дециметровых волнах, прекрасно видны в метровых и сантиметровых диапазонах? Их форма уменьшает их заметность, но не делает их невидимыми. И работающий радар "Печоры" прекрасно светит ваши F-35 на дистанции в пару сотен км. Да, он не может навести древнюю ракету, но залпа из темноты не будет. Не надейтесь. Более того, те же комплексы "Тор" и "Панцирь" прекрасно умеют работать вообще без радаров. Из темноты, незаметные для вас.
The AGM-88 HARM will remember where the radar was and still destroy it, even if it's switched off as long as it doesn't move. Considering that it's coming in at 2500+ km/h good luck in evading it.
Very true but very well known to American planners and this is meant to be a surprise attack. The US invented swift (really it was the globalist) Breton Woods. Anyhow good analysis.
@@dundonrl )) Мы научились с этим бороться ещё во Вьетнаме.
@Chandler White Они видны достаточно, чтобы опытный оператор их заметил и навёл на них истребители. И если F-22 ещё способен что-то показать в ближнем бою, то F-35 просто сидячая утка для русских машин.
Что касается первых невидимок, то их ещё мой отец отслеживал за экраном "Печоры", когда служил в ГДР.
@@dundonrl What is the accuracy of memorizing the location of the radar? Detonation at a distance of 100 meters is completely safe for radar.
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