BASE MODEL VS TOP MODEL EMTB | Specialized Levo Alloy Upgraded Vs Levo Carbon Expert Ebike

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    BASE MODEL Upgraded VS TOP MODEL EMTB / Specialized Levo Alloy Upgraded Vs Levo Carbon Expert Ebike
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  • @SamsBikes
    @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem +4

    Riders I hope all is well.... This one was loads of fun I hope you like it and remember got a question just ask!!!!!

    • @emtbtrailrider539
      @emtbtrailrider539 Pƙed rokem +2

      Cant use that rear coil on the LEVOs buddy, only a few companies recommend their coil shocks for the full - powered LEVOs

    • @Swiftfury
      @Swiftfury Pƙed rokem +1

      @@emtbtrailrider539 was just about to say the exact same thing ! The leverage curve is pretty damn linear on the Levo so you'd need to run a progressive coil OR some special ones like the Push ElevenSix tuned for the levo.

  • @jazzkez
    @jazzkez Pƙed rokem +11

    Sam. You know that exactly. It's not about top specification. It's not about spending money. It's not about showing the blink. It's about shareing your passion. That's why me and my lady slowly upgrading our 5k bike instead of enjoying my extremely expensive bike on my own. Thanks for your video. Keep it up. U R so positive. We're really enjoying your work.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Thanks Zig Zag totally make enjoy what ever ebike you have and make it the best you can

  • @SupperUpper
    @SupperUpper Pƙed rokem +26

    Great video, but as an owner of the Carbon Comp I have to say: Wouldn’t it has been more interesting to compare the Alloy comp to the Carbon Comp?

    • @thesjkexperience
      @thesjkexperience Pƙed rokem

      The Carbon Comp still says it comes with the 2.1 motor not the 2.2.

  • @StrongmanTaylor
    @StrongmanTaylor Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci +1

    Bought my S3 22 Levo Comp Alloy for $5600. I upgraded the Float X to a DHR Coil for $330 (Sale on Jensonusa). I upgraded the Rhythm 36 160 to a Performance 38 170 for $499 (Sale on Jensonusa). Those two mods completely changed how the bike descends. I swapped the wheels to the set of the Roval 29ers from my 2022 SJ EVO (free). Yes my Levo is now full 29. I broke the cable gx derailleur at an enduro race. Upgraded to a GX AXS ($600), lasted 2 months and broke that at a XC race. Now I am rolling GX T-Type Transmission ($900). The bike is amazing. The upgrades I did were cost effective and have really allowed me to really push myself and the platform. Getting ready to race in a couple of Big Mountain Enduro (ebike category) here in the next couple of months.

  • @AB-NZ
    @AB-NZ Pƙed rokem +2

    Great comparison and Interesting topic Sam. Always worth looking at all the pros and cons of the different bike builds, upgrade options, faff factor, availability, etc etc. And different bike models/brands obviously. All comes down to personal preferences and circumstances. I did the whole spreadsheet thing comparing bikes. A few months of fretting later


    I went for the Levo expert because the specs were mostly great, I couldn’t be faffed with a major upgrade process, and I wanted as light a bike as possible for a full fat ebike. While 1-2 kilos weight difference might be less of an issue while riding, for me with a very dodgy back and having to lift a bike onto bike racks and over gates, heavy bikes are super problematic.
    I got a good deal on the expert and my local dealer was fantastic by swapping out and installing (all for free) different brakes, tyres, and dropper post. Also got a good swap out deal to upgrade to AXS shifting because of my dodgy right thumb. My Specialized dealer installed my favourite Oneup bars and stem. Brilliant shop. Them doing all the swapping and installation was super helpful.

  • @chethompson2186
    @chethompson2186 Pƙed rokem

    Great video yet again, can't wait to see the full build finished 👌 and this other bike your working on too...

  • @williambreeze2659
    @williambreeze2659 Pƙed rokem

    Thanks for the comparison!

  • @grundy1973
    @grundy1973 Pƙed rokem

    I’ve bought the alloy comp with the view of upgrading slowly. Great vid SamđŸ‘ŒđŸ»

  • @SB-uu3uq
    @SB-uu3uq Pƙed rokem

    Great video. Trying to decide between the two at the moment. I'm a short and average weight for my height (5'2"). Would I get better benefits from carbon or alloy frames? I'm only just getting into riding - is it best to future-proof with the latest tech or stick with the older battery display on the alloy comp?

  • @philhicks5818
    @philhicks5818 Pƙed rokem

    Good video Sam , I’m back on a levo after 2 years on my cube , loving my new 1 month old alloy comp , so far changed bars , grips and saddle and cosmetically, fork and shock decals , would like to go sram axis next and get me some Schawlow tyres

  • @SuperDodoe
    @SuperDodoe Pƙed 10 měsĂ­ci

    Excellent! TY! liked and subscribed

  • @rickbault1221
    @rickbault1221 Pƙed rokem +3

    We recently bought an alloy comp and a carbon expert. Both bikes are great. I got a GREAT buy on the expert or I would have bought two alloy comps. Part of the fun is the build.
    That being said I REALLY like the expert. In stock trim it is so very good. I changed the brakes to the wonderful Saints and moved the Sram Code lever assemblies to the alloy.
    Either way you can't go wrong with these bikes IMO if you can get a deal on the expert it's a great option.
    If you can't get a deal on the expert the alloy is an excellent bike to ride as it is and a great platform to upgrade over time.

  • @tinuzmaasklan
    @tinuzmaasklan Pƙed rokem +2

    Hi Sam, just bought a comp carbon and pretty much going to your recommended build, especially because of the Rockshox. But i have read that coils and levo don't go hand in hand, they snap. Also, how do you feel about going to a 170mm fork, seems a lot are doing it, although specialized doesnt recommend it.

  • @jangalvez9269
    @jangalvez9269 Pƙed rokem +1

    i have alloy upgraded loaded.. fox 38 and push industry rear
 i love it

  • @jrcarr2012
    @jrcarr2012 Pƙed 8 měsĂ­ci

    One year later and I am about to make this very same decision. Thanks for this video, Helped a ton

  • @mikeryan657
    @mikeryan657 Pƙed rokem +2

    Sam, you’re killing me! I just purchased an Expert last week after pondering this question for some time. (I even asked in the comments on your old comparison video to do these two bikes again in gen 3.). Fortunately, we came to the same conclusions, and I appreciate hearing all your thoughts! The three biggest reasons I went with the expert over comp were: 1. I got a great price on the expert, 2. One of my local dealers told me if I put a coil on the levo, it could cancel the frame warrantee from Spec, and 3. I don’t have the time or experience to do all the ordering, selling, and assembly to turn a comp into what the expert would be out of the box. I guess I should add a 4. -The mastermind with the micro tune. On the 2020 Levo I rented, I noticed the three power settings were like riding a 3 speed bike. I wanted something between the three options on several occasions. With micro tune, essentially I now have 10 power settings vs 3.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem +1

      Hey Mike thanks for the comment and glad you got the Expert, I’m such a bike geek and I know how people think and I thought this was a interesting topic! I did get a few comment on the coil effecting the warranty so I reached out to specialized and that is 💯 incorrect the warranty would not be effected. I personally feel the Expert is the sweet spot for most riders and the alloy dream build is for geeks like me! Haha 😆 enjoy mate

    • @mikeryan657
      @mikeryan657 Pƙed rokem

      @@SamsBikes thanks for checking with Spec on the warrantee issue. That will help with other peoples decisions. I didn’t go that far since the expert ticked to many other boxes for me. If I had your experience and expertise, I’d much rather build my own bike as well! Keep up the great work!!!

    • @SB-uu3uq
      @SB-uu3uq Pƙed rokem

      Hey, great info. How are you finding the micro-tune? I'm trying to decide between the levo comp alloy and the levo expert carbon. I'm just starting out and about 140lbs. Any tips?

    • @mikeryan657
      @mikeryan657 Pƙed rokem +3

      @@SB-uu3uq When I bought the bike I thought the micro-tune would be a nice feature, but now with some time on the bike, I never use it. The problem with microtune is when in use, it sets both your support and peak power to the same level. For example, if I set 40% support, it will only give me 40% peak power. I find I like to have peak power always available and only vary my support settings, so I changed the eco, trail, and turbo modes to what I use most of 35/100 eco, 50/100 trail, and 100/100 turbo and switch between them as I need. So far I’ve only been riding with other full power e-bikes, so this has worked perfectly. When I eventually ride with an analog bike in the future, maybe micro tune would be helpful, but I could always just change my settings in the app again in less than a minute and still not need microtune.
      I really appreciate the other features of the master mind display though. I geek out on information, so I have 6 screens set up, each with 3 bits of information each I can scroll through with the touch of a button. The screens of the mastermind can be programmed with what ever information you want. And you can add or subtract as many screens as desired through the app. I could add a Garmin computer on the handlebars and see a lot of the same info, but I like having it in the mastermind and using the handlebars for my cell phone showing mapping displays like from the MTB Project app or others.
      As for which bike, if you’re new and only 140 lbs, I don’t know if you’d be able to appreciate the difference between the two bikes. With more experience, I think the difference would become more evident. Even with that said, right now if you can get the expert for the 25% off I can here in the US, I think that makes the expect version a real no brainer. At $8249.99 for the expert and $7500 for the comp alloy, I’d recommend the expert all day to any level or weight rider. At full price of $11000, I thought the expert was the best bang for the buck for my situation, but I probably would have said comp alloy for you (being a new rider), but at $8249.99, don’t wait and let that price get away if it’s available in your location. It’s an AMAZING bike, and nearly every component on the expert is upgraded over the comp alloy. If you have to pay full price for them both, it would be a harder decision, but I think the frame, brakes, suspension, and drivetrain are more important to consider between the models than having the mastermind or original displays. The mastermind is nice, and I like it, but I wouldn’t buy a bike over it considering you could always just throw on a Garmin computer and see similar information. I had a hard time laying down that much money for a “bicycle”, but after my first few rides and learning how it needed to be ridden differently than my analog bike, I think it’s some of the best money I’ve spent in a LONG time.

    • @SB-uu3uq
      @SB-uu3uq Pƙed rokem

      @@mikeryan657 Thanks for your detailed response. I think in the UK GBP to USD the difference is somewhere between 2000-2400 USD. Just trying to work out if the upgrades are worth it

  • @franciscot4552
    @franciscot4552 Pƙed rokem

    Thanks for sharing. Love your channel. I am from USA and I watch a lot of MTB on CZcams. I was wondering why they only talk prices in euros and Kilos ? Is there anyway you would consider talking about price in US dollars and LBS? Would love to hear your opinion on this. “US is not all backwards with everything”


.lol Thanks

  • @Timo-ug4ul
    @Timo-ug4ul Pƙed rokem

    Wahey!!!!! I'm famous (famously fat, needing that 130kg capacity).... Nice one Sam and thanks for the Shout! Particularly keen to look at the rear shock, as at max PSI now, and losing some feel....

  • @kevomtb3542
    @kevomtb3542 Pƙed rokem +1

    Great video and interesting thoughts
 the Turbo Levo Pro is higher than the Expert I believe RRP around AUD $19/20K.

  • @thewrx2600
    @thewrx2600 Pƙed rokem +4

    I built a similar setup with my levo aluminum frame, then had a warranty issue with frame and paid for an upgrade to a carbon frame and put all my parts on the carbon frame, its noticeable but you really have to be dialed into your bike to notice. The weight is one aspect, but the difference in how a carbon frame rides/feels vs aluminum was what I noticed the most. I am still up in the air if I should sell my gen2 levo and buy a frameset gen3 levo, pole, or base model trex exe.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Hey mate you should 💯 get on a gen 3 a lot better in my opinion, I’m interested to see if I can really feel the difference from carbon to aluminum I mean a lot of the DH racers are on Aluminum so it can’t be that bad!

    • @LastAphelion
      @LastAphelion Pƙed rokem

      What did you go with and what do you think about it now?

  • @witu123
    @witu123 Pƙed 11 měsĂ­ci

    Great video. I am struggling with decision of buying my first ebike. I thinking of Kenevo Expert or Levo Alloy. I am 6.4 and around 120kg. Which one should I go for, Sam? I forgot to mention that I would prefer full 29 inch-er and once I saw video with Kenevo Expert with 29 inch wheels I would love to have one like that but what has to be done to make one? Do you have any video on youtube that you can recommend for me to watch how to do it? Thanks Sam đŸ€—

  • @nomad-pq4yw8iy7v
    @nomad-pq4yw8iy7v Pƙed rokem

    For it to truly be a dream bike one most definitely must have a hand in the build in my opinion

  • @scottmo31
    @scottmo31 Pƙed rokem +2

    Hi mate best bike for me would be the THOK MIG Ducati edition I’ve seen it on eBay £6250. So tempted I currently have the THOK MIG V2 just the normal one with 7000 motor not the new EP8000 love to see the difference in speed from those two.

  • @kountification
    @kountification Pƙed rokem

    Hi Sam! Any news on Marin Alpine trail e1 and 2 for 23'? Thanks!

  • @lukasvrana6388
    @lukasvrana6388 Pƙed rokem +1

    Nice video... as always :)

  • @benutzernamesucks
    @benutzernamesucks Pƙed rokem +1

    Ride a Carbon Levo Ge3
    Changed the Bar, Steam and the Brake to MT7 with 220 front and rear.
    MM as well.
    My Favorite for 22 is the Kenevo SL
    Could be for 23 the Fresh Hai-Bike super little. But with more Travel .
    Stay tuned 👍

  • @thim8009
    @thim8009 Pƙed rokem

    I shelled out my cranks on my decoy. I ended up getting miranda 155mm. Thought about 150, but with size 14 us feet thought I better go 155. I think I'm going to order 150 and try them though.

  • @razorree
    @razorree Pƙed rokem

    isn't worth to take carbon, which probably is lighter by ~1000g? to get better handling ?

  • @smf1384
    @smf1384 Pƙed rokem

    is there a link to the Garmin Mount for the Levo you mention?

  • @evilldead6824
    @evilldead6824 Pƙed 4 měsĂ­ci +1

    So I’m 6’3” 330lbs was looking to get back into mountain biking and the entry level Levo is on sale atm should I got for the carbon or alloy which is only 500 bucks cheaper. I’ve looked all over net and opinions vary on which is better for bigger riders. I’ll be mostly on green and blue style trails till I get fitter.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed 3 měsĂ­ci

      I would go the alloy if I was you! Good luck with it your going to love it

  • @seamarsh3756
    @seamarsh3756 Pƙed rokem

    Where do I find that garmin mount? You have a link?

  • @arturomingogana3496
    @arturomingogana3496 Pƙed rokem +1

    Hi, great video, but I dont know where you con buy those parts at that price jaja
Magura mt7 360eu both with rotors? Zeb ultímate 900eu?

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Bike Discount mate check it out

  • @steelgtr
    @steelgtr Pƙed rokem

    How does carbon "feel" vs alloy ??

  • @Lits33
    @Lits33 Pƙed rokem

    I've buyed a Mondraker Crafty Carbon RR of 2021 2n hand. I've upgraded to a fully X01 transmission with a X01 AXS, reverb AXS 150mm, XT full brake kit with XTR rotors, crankbrothers e-synthesis Carbon wheels with Assegai 29x2.5 3CG TR DD and Ergon Pro Seat. Since now that's all. It will transform it to a Crafty Carbon SL maybe

  • @carsten4524
    @carsten4524 Pƙed rokem

    Nice enduro bike ❀
    It‘s my dream 

    How will it Ride on the enduro Stuff ?

  • @superpaulsuper
    @superpaulsuper Pƙed rokem +1

    very similar to what I did :)
    except for brakets (no change) and forks (FOX 36 170mm), I bought DT Swiss U 623 (180+ Kg) for 30eur

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      sounds like a beast...

    • @superpaulsuper
      @superpaulsuper Pƙed rokem

      @@SamsBikes 183cm x 86Kg x not-fit
      Its either e-bike or no-bike for me :)
      BTW, levo comp 2020 size L 22Kg. Levo expert 2020 size M 20.5Kg (I measured them on same built)
      I cannot pinpoint your accent. it sounds kind of essex mix edimburg

  • @BSE75
    @BSE75 Pƙed rokem +2

    if they bring 2023 aluminium mastermind bike woud be great

  • @LuisRodriguez-xd7hw
    @LuisRodriguez-xd7hw Pƙed rokem +3

    You can’t go with that rear shock it not recommended you have to spend 800+ in coil

    • @jmo2752
      @jmo2752 Pƙed rokem

      I agree - I'd leave the Fox Float X on there, and probably the 36mm fork too - that would make the price difference even more significant.

  • @stormw777
    @stormw777 Pƙed rokem +1

    I got the levo alloy a few months ago and been riding about every day and I love it. Although I'm still curious about what that upgraded rear shock performs like. Is it really worth it? To tell ya the truth I don't think the master display upgrade is worth it.

  • @offroadkings379
    @offroadkings379 Pƙed rokem +1

    One of my favorite channels for all things eMTB

  • @marcusoutdoors4999
    @marcusoutdoors4999 Pƙed rokem +1

    Very useful video, gives great ideas for updates over time. Fact is though the new Comp is very good out of the box

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Totally mate nothing wrong with the stock bike

  • @mtnmnkymilitia
    @mtnmnkymilitia Pƙed rokem +3

    Comp alloy!!!
    Threw an X2, carbon bars and 220 rotors on mine. It rips. Ive cracked too many carbon frames.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Yep I hear you carbon can be weaker when hit in the wrong spot

  • @tken5420
    @tken5420 Pƙed rokem +1

    Sam.. why switching to 2.4 tires instead of 2.6?

    • @runesig
      @runesig Pƙed rokem +1

      I am wondering about this toođŸ€”

    • @Rambleon444
      @Rambleon444 Pƙed rokem

      There is nothing wrong with the Butcher or Eliminator 2.6. I guess some people just like to waste money.

  • @hassebir
    @hassebir Pƙed rokem +4

    Doesn't the Levo break coil shocks for breakfast?

    • @mtnmnkymilitia
      @mtnmnkymilitia Pƙed rokem

      My kenevo did

    • @taylorhickman84
      @taylorhickman84 Pƙed rokem

      What causes this, the additional weight of the ebike, or does it have something to d o w/ the geometry of the rear linkage?

    • @ArmorOfZeus
      @ArmorOfZeus Pƙed rokem

      The push coil has the okay from both Push and specialized. Zero issues. Probably because it uses spherical bearings at the eyelets.

  • @WeimaranersAreTheBest
    @WeimaranersAreTheBest Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci +1

    Hey pal
    I watch all your vids lately
    Been in market

    What’s your thoughts on all this on a 2023 yt mx core 2
    RockShox 2023 ZEB Ultimate Fork 180mm w/ Buttercups
    - RockShox 2023 Super Deluxe Ultimate RC2T Coil Rear Shock w/ 450# spring
    - 5DEV EP8 Crankset w/ Hope Tech Direct-mount chainring
    - BikeYoke Revive 185mm dropper post with brand new WTB Volt CroMo Saddle
    - OneUp Carbon eMTB Handlebars w/ OneUp Stem
    - SRAM X01 Drivetrain - Derailleur, Shifter, 10-52 Cassette and Chain
    - SRAM Code RSC Brakes w/ Hope Floating Rotors 220F/200R and Hope Adapters
    - HukTec and Burgtec bronze Titanium bolts everywhere - suspension pivots, motor mounts, brake calipers, handlebars, stem, etc
    - BashStreet motor bash guard steel plate
    - Shimano EP8 Motor w/ 540Wh Battery + improved sealing and weather resistance
    - CrankBrothers Synthesis Alloy eMTB Wheels 29"/27.5" with new (11/29/2023) Maxxis Assegai 2.6" front and DHRII 2.5" rear tires
    Thanks

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed 6 měsĂ­ci

      Hey Rider that sounds like a sweet sweet ebike congrats

  • @philjarrett5820
    @philjarrett5820 Pƙed rokem +1

    If you're going to take off the kit why wouldn't you start with the Turbo Levo Alloy (not the comp)? The drivetrain and battery are inferior but you could sell them per your other components or just replace them when they die.

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Yes I was thinking about that but having to buy a 700wh battery kinda makes it hard and selling a 500wh is hard

  • @simonlaland
    @simonlaland Pƙed rokem +3

    Link to the Garmin mounts please?

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      I’m still trying to get his contact details

  • @tyreboy01
    @tyreboy01 Pƙed rokem +1

    Does a coil invalidate the warranty?

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem +1

      Hey Darren thanks for the comment, if the coil breaks the warranty would be with the shock manufacturer not Specialized. But also make sure your not changing the size of the shock or forks. Ie the Levo is recommended to 160mm not more so if you do go 170 and you crack the frame this would not be covered by warranty. I hope that makes sense.

  • @OnlyJRMYDAVE
    @OnlyJRMYDAVE Pƙed rokem +2

    Any link of the Garmin mount in the TCU?

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem +1

      It’s coming bro we have designed our own for a free download watch the dream build series

    • @DPCPhotos
      @DPCPhotos Pƙed rokem +1

      @@SamsBikes - Is this available now?

    • @SamsBikes
      @SamsBikes  Pƙed rokem

      Sorry mate it won’t work it sits to high on the frame

    • @DPCPhotos
      @DPCPhotos Pƙed rokem

      @@SamsBikes oh, I thought you were making one for the Levo?

  • @philboynz
    @philboynz Pƙed rokem +1

    Can't use that coil on a levo it will snap due to the thin shaft.

  • @daveapter
    @daveapter Pƙed rokem +2

    No brainer, buy the carbon compđŸ€”đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚đŸ˜‚

    • @SupperUpper
      @SupperUpper Pƙed rokem

      Hahaha, that’s what I did exactly 😁

  • @grant6895
    @grant6895 Pƙed 7 měsĂ­ci +1

    Except this is not the base model v the top model.

  • @marcopaganotto9125
    @marcopaganotto9125 Pƙed rokem

    At 7000 euros I would hope it was fine to ride out the shop!

  • @8664antonio
    @8664antonio Pƙed rokem +1

    allway alloy.

  • @nachoci6876
    @nachoci6876 Pƙed rokem

    At least in Europe, the difference of price between them is just 1.560Euros now.

  • @AndrewCordova007
    @AndrewCordova007 Pƙed rokem

    Also smaller battery

  • @sadphil01
    @sadphil01 Pƙed rokem

    You could have bought an s-works frame & built it for the price.

  • @williampicone5034
    @williampicone5034 Pƙed rokem

    It’s Aluminum not Aluminium. 😂

  • @Ponyo3816
    @Ponyo3816 Pƙed rokem

    So the only upgrades you REALLLLLLY need on the Levo Alloy base is a bigger battery and upgrading the chainring to a 38t. It fits just right. And the bike gets so much more use out of the smaller gears on the cassette. But I can't say enough about the 38 tooth crank ring I threw on the bike. Such a different ride.