They/Them Pronouns Predate Pride...And Shakespeare | Rainbow History Class | TEDxYouth@Sydney
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- Rainbow History Class share the queer and trans history you (probably) don’t get in school. In this talk, they delve into the convoluted and controversial history of the singular pronoun 'they' Rainbow History Class is created by Hannah McElhinney and Rudy Jean Rigg. Since they began in March 2021, Rainbow History Class has moved from a singular TikTok channel, to a multi-platform internet sensation, a book, an audiobook and a live show. Their stories aim to inspire, educate, make you laugh, make you mad and maybe even help you win an argument. This talk was given at a TEDx event using the TED conference format but independently organized by a local community. Learn more at www.ted.com/tedx
Using They/Them was only treated as “weird” once we started recognizing gender fluidity and nonconformity.
We always used it whenever you didn’t know someone’s gender.
Now people insist it’s poor grammar, forgetting it’s been around as a singular pronoun and that they’ve certainly used it this way in school essays.
I don’t care what you wanna go by or what you identify as, just be a good person is all that I ask
Here here!
great, but "I don't care" could sound a little bit (unintentionally) like "despite your flaws, I accept you anyway"
...as opposed to "when I meet you, I presumptively love you and your whole self, including your pronouns, whether they're of the sort people always guess right, or not"
They them’s hairstyle keeps making me think they them are wearing a backwards baseball cap
Oooh that's so edgy and original, how you just started acting like their name is "they them."
"History has literally never fondly remembered the people fighting to prevent others from having the same rights as them. There's never been a time where someone said 'This broad type of human is not equal' and was right about it. And it's genuinely baffling to me that more people don't realise that" - David Christopher Bell
Women's civil rights are human rights. I am a woman and proud. You crazy white liberal girls and women expect the rest of us to be gender neutral, not going to happen. Cut your own tits off. This woman of color will not.
Nor has it remembered crazy white women and men trying to take all women's basic human rights and dignity away.
Весь мир сходит с ума - сначала подумала, что смотрю шоу Бени Хилла. 😢 опомнитесь! Ваша пропаганда с гендерным уклоном ушла дальше коммунистической партии. 😢 Раньше Тэд был действительно интресной площадкой (((
They made learning about applicable pronouns fun and educational. What they could have expanded on was acceptance and respect for these pronouns.
Call yourself whatever nonsense you want but don’t force others to compel their speech if you truly believe in FREEDOM.
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Well said 👏
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Also just dont be a dik... if u look like a girl im gonna call u her, if you politly correct me ill say oh my bad... its really no big deal on either side
How were they compelling anyone, they very simply pointed out that they/them has been used in reference to individual correctly for centuries. Its not being suddenly forced on anyone and in no way limits any other persons freedom.
“ I am but mad North - North -west. “😂
In the Dark Ages, they used they/them pronouns? 🤣😂
That's why they are called the Dark Ages 😂
@@matthewschmidt5069lmfao
Smells like BS. And I couldn't be bothered to do any research.
Must have been Vlad The Impaler
@@gmancolo Pretty sure you are somewhere very low on the literacy scale anyway.
My pronouns are
Master
And
Your highness
Those are titles :)
The only word that was actually a pronoun was your, go back to school skippy.
This is why Ted Talks have become a joke.
this is the moment when ted talks become a joke
Tedx has now started to give anyone the stage
I've now lost all respect or any regard for TED/TEDx
Unless you’re Coleman Hughes trying to given anti-woke viewpoint, then they require the antithesis alongside it; otherwise they ban you.
Started? This has been happening for years.
Thats the point, what do you not understand?
anything popular becomes politisiced,the big fish wont let opportunity to reach broad audiences and there is only so much resistance the little fish can put up
+TEDxTalks *Singular pronouns are two to four (the newest as ze/zem/zes), depending on the social context.* The German languages had three genders; I still use all three in military aviation (e.g. he/him/his for the Grumman F-14 Series, it/its for select combat jets, and she/her/hers for transports).
Id fall in the combat jet gender category then as an "it".
That is not relevant. 😂
"Coincidence? I think not!"
Spoken like a true person of culture :3
Its interesting you never hear opposing points of view on TEDx talks.
They has always referred to someone else who isn't with us. Someone who is distant in some way, either in time or place.
Yeah, calling a person in front of me "they" or "them" feels completely ridiculous to the point it's actually hard to do.
Agree - singular they/them is grammatically correct, but it’s not contextually correct. Obviously context can change over time, but to me it feels very distant and formal to refer to a close friend by they/them. It usually invokes an emotional distance, or a sense of politeness, or else you might use it to refer to a theoretical person whose gender you don’t know. I’ll still use them if that’s what people want, but it’s never really felt natural to me, especially when it’s someone I know really personally
@@cz1754
I believe the grammar is linked to the Spanish "se". It's an indirect pronoun which often means "someone".
As in rindirse, or se rindir.
I've been arguing that they/them was still correct grammatically since I was in the sixth grade lol ('03-'04). We passed our essays to the person next to us to proofread. The person that was marking mine "corrected" every time I used they or them because it wasn't plural... I pulled out the textbook and double checked, then showed them (haha) the page that said it's acceptable and correct. One of the main reasons I used it is to have better variety in my essay. You aren't supposed to repeat the same words over and over. Once the subject of a paragraph was established, I would change up the pronouns as long as they are accurate/match the subject. Everyone by default is a they/them lol. Then you get further details by other pronouns if they go by any. Sometimes writers use it to withhold information from the reader until later. It's always been correct.
Everybody clapped etc
Unless you are writing a creative work, clarity of writing is more important than your lack of creativity.
You forgot "he or she" or "his or her" or "him or her" which I've seen and heard a lot
My problem with " They them pronoun ," besides struggling to use it grammatically is that there are no visual cues to remind me of who Wants to be called what and I even have a hard time remembering names let alone pronouns . . At least if a man presents as a woman or vice versa there are usually visual cues like dress and hairstyle to help make it easier . .
This simply means your worldview revolves around the ever-changing gender stereotypes to determine how to categorize people, instead of just focusing on other aspects of an individual. That's a YOU problem.
I don't even know how people like you get through this world. Do you remember the name of every person you ever meet? Will you have a breakdown if people's names don't match your idea of what a person looks like?
I'm a visual learner in general and and I'm obviously not alone or there'd be no need for name tags. I have a lot of clients with a lot of different requests to keep track of. and a imperfect memory . I do take notes about specific requests and that helps a lot but could easily see myself forgetting and slipping up and then there's a problem with the They Them pronoun of how to even structure a sentence . It has me terrified of negative reviews that could cause a lot of damage to my business . To add insult to injury, those pronouns are always getting updated and increasing adding more complication to our already complicated lives !!!!!
You could always default to neutral until corrected or simply ask "what are your pronouns?"
@@maribellelebre6809 What would be an example of defaulting to neutral?
Imagine having to do a professional Ted Talks speech and choosing to wear a wife-beater.
Don't they ALWAYS look the same? Who knew the alphabets had a dress code (E.g., multi-colored hair, glasses, dumpy/unhealthy in appearance, etc)?
And without a bra/bro.
She-its peginis is bulging. Note the hisband bulge.
Looks like a extra from goodfellas
@@robkabob1826 they're clowns!
So how about foreign languages? Should we also use they/them because I'm sure there's no grammatical or logical "translation" in many other languages. And grammar is just a surface. The ideology itself is very contradicting. They identify as non-binary to oppose stereotypes while actually feeding these stereotypes. Otherwise "masculine looking" woman would have no problem calling themselves woman she/her and "feminine looking" men calling themselves men he/him...Then you're really showing that men and women are not stereotypes.
This was horrible. Not even worthy of a bar conversation. You had an opportunity and blew it. Big time.
I feel sorry for these people, they are possessed by their ideology.
Don't we all?
It is quite a mentally ill cult.
As you are by yours.
@@silverlinings3946 I’m not perfect, but my main ideology is personal freedoms, and liberties, I wouldn’t say I’m possessed by my ideology though, I am flexible with my thoughts, these people are in a cult.
@leviburnum9146 you are just in denial. And if you call people in the way they aren't comfortable with, it is you who are in the wrong. If I you were a man and I called you "she", you would be quite rightly unhappy about it, right? Can you not give the same courtesy to people who identify as "they"? Why is it so difficult?
No, sorry, that's nonsense to talk about it. There is definitely no support to this.
There is in every industry. But I don't expect ppl like you who get their information from fox News to understand lol
@@scorpiusjones5436 If you don't expect people to understand, don't expect people to use incorrect English just to give legitimacy to some who have medical or psychological disorders and want to normalize that, to be accepted as normal and people to use new pronouns for that group.
Perhaps the worst TEDTalk ever recorded - two women “grasping at straws” trying to justify grammatical lunacy.
Very good sounds
😂😂😂😂
Meanwhile ww3 is right around the corner....
how many baies were misgendered in israel conflict
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It is not
if it takes two people to explain "they/them" pronouns, you've lost the plot.
"They" can't even explain What Is A Woman. But Matt Walsh did.
Language flows naturally; people are going to use what they've learned growing up and what most everyone else uses, so if I start to call a single rose a ''blixnard' or a 'mud-patties', I really shouldn't expect to hear the world follow suit, nor become indignant that others don't. They would rightfully think I was weird, and self-centered. I may be those things, but at least not because I'm trying to impose 'my'' language unnaturally on others.
True. And examples from the past when some maybe used those pronouns for single people is not helping, that group wants to force their way of speaking and is surprised that big majority of people are resisting because today it is unnatural for most people to call a single person "they". That is an Orwellian attempt to change the speech by force.
Lmao 😂😂 you people should go to school
@@ozymandiasultor9480i guarantee that you and everyone you know uses they/them as a singular pronoun on a daily basis. It’s literally common language in every English speaking country. “Where’s the chef?” “Oh they went on break” ,“I haven’t seen Beth all day, do you know where they’ve been?” These sentences sound perfectly normal, and that’s because they ARE perfectly normal. You can argue all you want about what’s proper English, but you can’t just pretend they/them pronouns aren’t real because you hate dem liberals.
@@TT-fv5ro Nonsense. "Where is the chief? Oh, HE went on break" Why would I say they? If the question was "Where are all chiefs"? then I would use "they".
@@ozymandiasultor9480 bigots when there is more than one way too say something: 😨
You’d think people who watch Ted talks would be a little more open minded
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We're tired of progressives guilt-tripping others over tiny things. If someone's so sensitive a pronoun hurts them, we're wasting time on their needs. Too much compassion doesn't make you go to super heaven, it makes you waste your time on pointless scenarios.
Fact-Check of First Claim: False. Pride and all other emotions predate not only all pronouns but language itself.
Fact-Check of Second Claim: True. The words 'they' and 'them' do indeed occur in the English language prior to the birth of Shakespeare. No one has ever disputed this overwhelmingly obvious fact.
Fact because you said it? 😂 lmao
@@PriyaaanshuThakur ummm what else are you going to "counter" with such asinine replies? Roundness of the planet? "Only bc you said it it doesn't make it real".
Ironically, it's exactly what every sane person will reply to the pronouns/gender argument: only bc it's in one's head it doesn't make it an objective reality everyone has to comply with
I get the point. I just hope the pride community won’t take too much offense if someone get the pronouns wrong. The rest of society has a lot of catching up to do. Personally, I will surely get it wrong - coming from Asia. Well actually, the pronouns in my language are gender neutral but please don’t be hostile towards the latin/romance languages for being insensitive. 🙂 The presenters are so much fun. It’s just that the overall talk is kinda…all over the place. This makes me lose a bit of confidence on the content. Won’t mind if this was at my University.
Yeah history and English class
I SURE will take YOU SERIOUSLY when you elect a Tshirt to give your most coveted (and biased) ever speech!
Wasn't even a t-shirt, it's a wife-beater! Stay Klassy Alphabet gang.
Of course they do, of course.
These two women are hilarious lol
One of the best comedy routine TedX has ever put out, start to finish jokes and such well done satire, I almost thought it was legit
Reminds me of that movie It's Pat
"I PLAYED WITH THE WEEN" 😂
If you read this, this is your sign to know that TEDx Talks has lost quality and you should probably unsubscribe 😊
I just did too 😭😭
I'll be honest, I'm all for alphabet gang but it's time I unsubscribed
Unsubscribe 🍺
This is drivel !
In English one can properly use the subject/object they/them when referring to a person of unknown gender etc.
e.g. If someone finds a lost wallet then THEY should not keep it.
If THEY return it then a reward might be given to THEM.
In addition to he/she & him/her, there is a perfectly good olde gender-neutral pronoun - "it" with the object "it" etc
Used for all things non-living or of unknown gender, although there are a few things like ships that can still take an alternative she/her...
e.g. If a robot finds a lost wallet then IT should not keep it.
If IT returns it then a reward might be given to IT.
Unfortunately using IT to refer to a person is often seen as 'dehumanizing', so a more 'human' pronoun would hurt.
The french get around this by using he/him when referring to an unknown gender, or its plural equivalent plural form for mixed gender groups.
Some languages have male/female/neuter ways of referring, and use different articles, verb-forms etc accordingly.
In English we also have ONE to refer to an individual - the french have a rough equivalent in ON, and that can even apply to more that one, e.g "on y va" = here we go
Perhaps English needs new forms, e.g. HE, SHE, IT, HET, SHET, THEY... HIM, HER, IT, HETM, SHETM, THEM etc, or similar...
But to what end ??
If pronouns are a matter of free-choice then I can speak of someone, who seems to be a women using she/her, even when "she" prefers the use of they/them,
but to force me to comply with "her" weird notions of language is infringing on my freedoms as much as "she" might feel I somehow affect hers.
It is a route to madness...
Unsubscribed !
bravo for typing all that. agree with it all
William and the Warewolf! 🎉😮 people do read
I tell my daughters they're welcome to play make-believe, but don't expect anyone else to play along.
😂 so true
toxic af
@@TheSchuyler75 I hope you're joking. Because there's absolutely nothing toxic about handling mental illness properly.
The make believe here is thinking that disrespecting someone is a good thing. Like if I used the opposite gender pronoun for you.. Somehow you think that's OK for them, but I am sure you wouldn't like it.
@@stephaneboisjoli1320 would you tell an anorexic person they should continue to lose weight? No?
That's exactly why I don't tell people suffering from gender dysphoria that they're the gender they're pretending to be. Acquiescing to their delusion only hurts them.
"AN EMPTY BARREL MAKES THE MOST NOISE!"
Ted talks every day even more clownery than the day before
Am I missing something - if this talk is considered necessary then surely it is also necessary for someone to give a talk which demonstrates the long history of using the terms 'man' and 'woman' to describe only people who are biologically male and female (and therefore no-one should co-opt those terms to describe things which have absolutely nothing to do with their accepted meaning).
The speakers mention 'conservatives'. But this has nothing to do with moral conservatism. It's only to do with whether we are free to co-opt words which have an entirely different accepted meaning in the hope of making something which has no relationship with the words we use appear to be related.
If you think gender is binary then you certainly didn't get past 11the grade biology. There's a number of different mixes.. If you actually care google it.. But most people can't handle knowing there's more to the world than what they know.
Ted Talks has changed... to worse...
Clown world.
As a person who’s from part Viking and part UK background.. neither of those things matter, Hamas would throw you off a roof either way.
Girl how can you be an ACTUAL Viking those people died hundreds of years ago 🤭🤭🤭
I can't understand everything.
There is nothing really useful for understanding. Some weirdos are pushing their ideology and twisting facts as it suits their cause.
We from the Mental Hospital staff apologize profusely to all of you because the 2 people in this video are our patients, who we are looking for who escaped from the Mental Hospital about 3 weeks ago. 🙁
Ahhhhh thanks !
🤣🤣🤣🤣 what a relieving comment.
Love how these nonsense comments disagree with the actual point and facts stated in the video. They/them pronouns have been used since before Shakespeare
I don’t see comments disagreeing with that, but I do see comments disagreeing with the identity narrative that is implied by this little linguistic history lesson
Women are women, men are men. Her/she for women, he/ him for men. This is correct. The Universities ought to be closed to anyone who is not religious. There is a saying,"Those who believe in nothing will fall for anything". These ladies should have found something more useful to do with their time. I am unimpressed.
What is that in the tank top?
A precious child of God.
Group identity has always been important to cultures
I kind of wish this hadn't started with a straw man video though it detracts
Oh now this virus has even reached this channel I see. I came here to learn something new and what do we have here. I'm starting to think that this world really needs an apocalypse.
Can't deal with change in the world? Move to a shack in the woods. But even there climate change will find you..
This is junk
When did TedX start doing comedy and satire?
So love video❤🌈❤😍
I used to enjoy it when you'd have a proper presentation and REFERENCES - TED talks should be factual with some evidence to back up points opposed to this loose anecdote.
Lots of languages have "gender" associated with objects: French, German etc. Just because we went from that in Latin to generic "the chair", "a chair" etc isn't evidence enough.
Not sure if this presentation was properly rehearsed too.
No idea who these people are either, they gave no introduction to their "expert" background. Historian? Linguist?....
No they are just white Americans that means they deserve the world!
Tedx talks used to be relevant and a place to learn something new or get motivation from. Well not anymore it seems
Apparently you didn't learn much from this video because you have a closed mind.
@@stephaneboisjoli1320 Thank goodness for that!
@@stephaneboisjoli1320Right!?!?
@@schalkbrink20There’s nothing good about it.
In fact, it’s dangerous.
Your inability to accept, let alone celebrate humanity in all our pronouns doesn’t make this subject any less relevant.
The fact that you felt the internet was somehow in need of your negative opinion just makes you a bully without a crowd.
You’re now a minority clawing for relevance.
Acceptance takes less effort and reserves your energies for matters that do merit put downs - like bullying.
@@schalkbrink20omg this is just further proving bigots didn't go to college
Nah nah nah i cant support this 😮
This is a topic that's worthy of a Ted talk? 🤦♂🤦♂🤦♂ Can I take the Ted stage to talk about russet potato?
aaaaaannnddddd unsubbed!
They are as confused as the talk they gave
People entertain so much stupidity these days, I wonder how the next generation will cope.
I appreciate your CZcams channel but I will pass with this no nonsense!!!
Can I choose my pronoun to be King Ferdinand Zvonimir Maria Balthus IV?
Is very good sounds good sounds good I am doing well thank a long time ago it's ne I am going back homand even know if I am going back home and
Sam Hyde’s Ted talk was better than this one. This is revisionist history. We are truly living in an Orwellian time.
Why do people have to care about what your pronouns are?
Yeah but at the end of the day, this is just a 1st world problem. And hardly an issue at that
this was very confusing.... and I am an English teacher...
Drank the kool aid, didn't they.
He, she or it.
This was not so constructive and and very confusing and I taught English.
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I’m done. Bye Ted Talks 👋
Hey Ted, if you really wanna help society, then stick to the facts of gender disphoria and the devastating harms - especially if untreated, misdiagnosed or given a 'effin pronoun!
I’m disappointed this is even a Ted talk
Society is falling, keep your kids safe y’all and pray to god!
It really isnt, your worldview is so messed up you cant see the truth, find the real god.
What pronoun does God use?
🤣@@sandra.helianthus
Are you high? I don't think this issue is particularly important but you're you're just hyperbolic
You gotta be mentally deranged to call yourself they/them, and that's ok, do whatever you want just don't force other people into your nonsense.
Once again illustrating the difference in quality between TED, and TEDx
Man how high are "they"?
I was looking forward to hearing a proper Ted Talk on this subject. Unfortunately the information lacked quality and the super casual way it was presented left me unimpressed and underinformed.
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So glad they keep up the fight in the face of bigots and haters. We are on the right side of history ✌🏻
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just because people disagree doesn't make them haters or bigots. they just dont want to conform to other peoples narcissism and entitlements.
the only thing u r right with ... u guys are history soon
Oh yeah Shakespeare sure were some good 'ol times!!
You are exactly what you claim to be against. Extreme intolerance and hatred. I'm perfectly fine with you existing, as long as you leave all kids alone. You, on the other hand, are not okay with me existing. I can't wait until the entire alphabet nonsense is but a footnote.
Stop. Just stop it. Enough already.
Reading the comments, it is hilarious how so many are so threatened by the fact that indiviuals have been called they/them for at least a thousand years (if the term came from the sissy vikings). The truth is that It has never harmed anyone to simply respect respect others.
That's how you perceive the response? LOL
Yes, let's all respect mental illness
are youcomparing idiots that call them selves they them to vikings?
I don’t think most people care about the grammar, it’s the ideological & political activism, and their end goals, that have them concerned.
@@joshx022That quite literally is the response. There’s documents of singular they/them usage from hundreds upon hundreds of years ago. Not our fault you hate facts
All respect for TED has been lost. Truly a shame. Time to unsubscribe
Education is broken
WHO CARES
Why didnt the second person say their pronouns ?
You mean his or her pronouns? It is male or female. There is no other option... all the rest is a medical or psychological problem.
@@ozymandiasultor9480 you might not be aware but other languages have always used more then 2 genders - it's nothing special about it and can easily be done in English too, especially since it was in common use not too long ago.
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Pronouns on the other hand are of no concern to the medical field 😉 - but rather interesting to linguists bc language is always developing.
@@sandra.helianthus It was never in common use in English, just monarchs used royal "They" and it is not in use in any language I know and I know 4 other languages besides English.
And I will not use "They, Them" because some medical aberrations want that, some who are born with disorder, physical or psychological. That is not normal, and many such people lately want to normalize their disorders as something totally normal. I will never give those that satisfaction, and I will never call one person by those pronouns because a person can be he or she...all the rest should seek medical, and psychiatric help.
@@sandra.helianthus "Other languages always used more than 2 genders"...That is not true, English is far from being my first language, I know really well 5 other languages and I can understand quite a lot in a few other languages and I have never heard of such a thing besides royal They... And you claim other languages have always used more than 2 genders. Nonsense. Besides, forcing people to speak in incorrect English is not development, you can invent 10 new terms from a turd, and you think that is development, enrichment of the English language? If you invent 10 new terms for menure, that will be more useful than forcing people to call someone who has medical problems with those pronouns. Most people will never accept that. I sure will never call one of those people, if it is one person with one of those pronouns, there is he or she, nothing more for one person.
Maybe bc she’s pretty obviously female
No. She and him. That's all
they/them as a singular pronoun is just so silly it's unbearable. I hate reading books with a they/them side character, it messes with my brain too much and how am I supposed to imagine them? as a man, or a woman? if they are human, they are a man or woman. I can't wait until this stupidity ends.
Cap cap cap
Unsubscribed.
Love this. Ignore the haters.
Sure, ignore the big majority of people... You like weird things so someone should ignore "haters" which are most people because you love calling someone who is right in front of you "they"... You can ignore them, but the enormous majority will never call one single person "they". Now I can say ignore the fools, but you are being ignored in any case, people react just when you are very vocal and act like clowns, imposing to people your weird ways of talking.
You're a disease
Time to Unsubscribe from Ted talk everyone.
This whole TED nonsense is now UNSUBSCRIBED.
Bollocks