The Hobbit: The Battle of Five Armies [ strategies and tactics in the book ]

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Komentáře • 943

  • @HelloFutureMe
    @HelloFutureMe  Před 5 lety +1085

    Would you like to see more content like this? If you would, I'd *really appreciate you sharing it with someone who might enjoy it!* It involved 45 video layers, a dozen audio layers, and a whole week worth of 8-12 hour days. I didn't realise it would take this long, but if enough people want to see more, then maybe you'll see the Helm's Deep or the Seige of Minas Tirith on here sometime. Stay nerdy!

    • @CptCh4os
      @CptCh4os Před 5 lety +2

      Video was uploaded but kept "private" until it was supposed to be released. @@lexsec

    • @fang609
      @fang609 Před 5 lety +3

      I would loved to. You put a lot of effort in to this one.

    • @cinthiagoch
      @cinthiagoch Před 5 lety +11

      Yes, more strategy videos! This was more accurate than the movie, and explained things so much better.

    • @3l_Raro
      @3l_Raro Před 5 lety +2

      I would love to see more videos like this
      PD: awesome video

    • @slothmasterjack9646
      @slothmasterjack9646 Před 5 lety

      Hello Future Me Congrats on 300 k subscribers, I have been here since 500

  • @avonthesageoc4980
    @avonthesageoc4980 Před 4 lety +164

    Goblins: *are about to win*
    Eagles:im about to end this armys whole career
    Goblins: *still have a chance of winning*
    Beorn:im about to end what remains of there career

  • @schawdaya
    @schawdaya Před 4 lety +35

    Tolkiens description of Beorn coming in out of nowhere and blasting through the goblin armies like a lightning blast and literally crushing Bolg like he was nothing always gives me goosebumps.

  • @edoardoprevelato6577
    @edoardoprevelato6577 Před 5 lety +1653

    I love this. Any Total War player worth their salt would love this.

    • @TheNowerianRaven
      @TheNowerianRaven Před 5 lety +14

      It would probably take a lot of salt to be worth something

    • @edoardoprevelato6577
      @edoardoprevelato6577 Před 5 lety +72

      @@TheNowerianRaven because you didn't live during the XIII - XIV centuries, when a box of salt was very well worth a life.

    • @TheNowerianRaven
      @TheNowerianRaven Před 5 lety +15

      @@edoardoprevelato6577 I was more hoping it was a reference to the recent epizode of Critical Role. Thats why i replied with what i did. Its a part of a conversation from that epizode

    • @edoardoprevelato6577
      @edoardoprevelato6577 Před 5 lety +17

      @@TheNowerianRaven no, i was literal, as "worth their salt" comes from the astronomic cost of salt during those times, along with the modern term "salary"

    • @laurenzreichelt4911
      @laurenzreichelt4911 Před 5 lety +3

      TheNowerianRaven critrole reference!

  • @harryohrt5255
    @harryohrt5255 Před 5 lety +196

    Huh. Forty-five years after reading the account of this battle, and I finally understand what happened.

  • @seanpoore2428
    @seanpoore2428 Před 4 lety +270

    "What a perfectly structured, dramatic, and realistic battle sequence for us to ignore in favor of legolas killing everything" -Peter Jackson

    • @brianweyne5723
      @brianweyne5723 Před 2 lety +7

      I never heard people complain of legolas killing a hundred uruk hai in the ladders or a giant mumakil and all the easterlings on top of it.

    • @aydenulery9562
      @aydenulery9562 Před 2 lety +22

      @@brianweyne5723 because the writing in lord of the rings wasn’t awful

    • @1orangutan656
      @1orangutan656 Před 2 lety +10

      Legolas was the 5th. Army

    • @CommunityFan
      @CommunityFan Před rokem +14

      Jackson wasn't at fault, it was all corporate stuff that screwed the movies over

    • @benmoore8809
      @benmoore8809 Před rokem +15

      @@brianweyne5723 Well Legolas was actually IN the LotR books; he was never mentioned in The Hobbit, so there's that. And if you've never heard anyone complaining about his portrayal in the LotR movies, let me be the first. It makes me groan every time he hogs the spotlight for some "cool" cinematic stunt that trivializes the enemies they're fighting.

  • @oliverdunn2693
    @oliverdunn2693 Před 5 lety +644

    Beorn is such an awesome character. He singlehandedly turned one of the largest battles of the third age (excluding the war of the ring)

    • @Sipu97
      @Sipu97 Před 5 lety +16

      Really?? It isn't that much described in the book how Bard killed Smaug so I don't see why you are whining about it.

    • @Sipu97
      @Sipu97 Před 5 lety +6

      Yeah you are right about the part where he uses Bain, that's unrealistic and odd but hey, it's fantasy. Besides, that is not any big problem when it comes to other troubles the film has so I don't see why anyone wants to waste their time on something like that. But I must agree, I'd preferred the version you described.

    • @fantasywind3923
      @fantasywind3923 Před 5 lety +6

      Indeed Beorn is a great character, hehe it's a shame that Tolkien didn't described how his son Grimbeorn the Old was doing in time of War of the Ring (Beorn was already dead by that point), all we know is that the land of Beornings was attacked (Frodo saw vision of Orcs coming out of the mountains to burn and pillage at Amon Hen). From Th Hobbit we learn how Beorn's descendants all inherited his powers of shapeshifting and other such gifts.

    • @obaolori
      @obaolori Před 4 lety +1

      @@fantasywind3923 in scandinavian folklore manbjörn excists though not always at the side of good more for their own feeding and benefit i mean men that can transfom into bear

    • @avonthesageoc4980
      @avonthesageoc4980 Před 4 lety +2

      If Beorn had more screen time the movie would be far far far far far better

  • @griffinwalker3889
    @griffinwalker3889 Před 5 lety +568

    Wish the movie had done the battle with this amount of clarity.

    • @Hasharin14
      @Hasharin14 Před 5 lety +18

      The extended version did. Shame they did cut crucial parts :(

    • @PoorManatee6197
      @PoorManatee6197 Před 5 lety +59

      العربية No it didn't, the battle is messy as fuck

    • @Huggieg1
      @Huggieg1 Před 5 lety +46

      @@Hasharin14 The extended version makes 0 sense. There's suddenly "Twirly-Wurlies" which fire two shots then disappear for the entire fight. The dwarves and elves are all fighting each other then perfectly in form when the orcs/goblins arrive with no death. The only thing that vaguely made sense was the goat and goat chariots for when Thorin magically gets up to Ravenhill.
      But even that was done poorly.
      The battle in the unextended vaguely makes sense even if it's awful CGI fest. The extended just is a clusterfuck of 0 continuity

    • @matthewcejka8923
      @matthewcejka8923 Před 4 lety +1

      Hugo G when the dwarfs charge and then made a shield wall didn’t they have like 500 people or more in the back round doing nothing then the goat riders not all of them died in the charge but I still love dwarfs in fantasy and lord of the rings.

    • @BritskNguyen
      @BritskNguyen Před 4 lety +29

      every scene of the battle in the movie is a butchery of tactical logics imho.

  • @gabe61willys
    @gabe61willys Před 5 lety +834

    I love Tolkien to death but I just realized how much of this battle is just people showing up late

    • @mkim721
      @mkim721 Před 4 lety +218

      That's basically every single wars in history. It's often forgotten how incredibly difficult it is to manage a large army, especially in those ages where there wasn't any forms of wireless communications between the forces.

    • @Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV.
      @Kaiser_Wilhelm_IV. Před 4 lety +78

      Walder Frey and his armies haven't even arrived yet...

    • @johnstamos4186
      @johnstamos4186 Před 4 lety +33

      Just look at the battle of Antietam...it was the late arrival of A.P. Hill that saved Lee's army from total destruction. It happened all the time in the past so don't go thinking that this battle was too simple.

    • @bobguylikescheese9878
      @bobguylikescheese9878 Před 4 lety +22

      @@johnstamos4186 Gettysburg as well, was marked by the slow arrival of both union and confederate forces

    • @abderrahimbenmoussa4359
      @abderrahimbenmoussa4359 Před 4 lety +13

      Basically every war, especially medieval ones. Or people not showing up or too late but the word of them coming pushing the enemy to a ferocious last attacks that success.

  • @HistoryTime
    @HistoryTime Před 5 lety +111

    This is awesome! Lovely stuff man. Helms Deep would be incredible to see!!

    • @budderbrinejr
      @budderbrinejr Před 5 lety +1

      I don't know though. While it is quite an epic seige, I think the explanation could only last a few minutes.

    • @spyhippo2736
      @spyhippo2736 Před 3 lety

      You wanna kiss me?

    • @user-vs1xe1kv5n
      @user-vs1xe1kv5n Před rokem

      @@spyhippo2736 lol

  • @whisperingbardasmr6569
    @whisperingbardasmr6569 Před 5 lety +1015

    This was much better than the movie. I hope you make more videos like this.

    • @JoeXTheXJuggalo1
      @JoeXTheXJuggalo1 Před 5 lety +14

      The 1970s movie awesome. The junk that came out a few years ago is well junk

    • @Hasharin14
      @Hasharin14 Před 5 lety +15

      Did you see the extended version? It's far superior than the battle depicted in this video

    • @daveski7
      @daveski7 Před 5 lety +29

      @@Hasharin14 Nice joke, mate.

    • @JoeXTheXJuggalo1
      @JoeXTheXJuggalo1 Před 5 lety +9

      @@daveski7 I know. He had me ROFLing good.

    • @JoeXTheXJuggalo1
      @JoeXTheXJuggalo1 Před 5 lety +13

      @@Hasharin14 I'd still like, choose, and say the 1977 Hobbit cartoon is far superior to the Hobbit crap that came out a few years ago. Tolkien would roll over in his grave if he saw the movie they just did.

  • @matthewmuir8884
    @matthewmuir8884 Před 5 lety +114

    One thing I would quickly like to point out: Thorin was overcome with greed, and never had any intent on giving the men or the elves any of the treasure; he merely said he would to buy time, while sending letters for Dain to hurry there. When Dain arrived, the elves and the men tried once again to ask for gold, but they were met with arrows from Thorin's bow before they could even get close enough to say anything.
    Also, Bilbo did not return "incredibly wealthy"; believing that others deserved the treasure more, and not knowing how he would cart all that treasure home, he decided instead to take two small chests: one filled with gold, one filled with silver; such that a strong pony could carry. He then collected the troll hoard on his way home, but he had to spend a lot of his reward buying back his possessions, as the Hobbits assumed he had died and auctioned his belongings.

    • @drakor98
      @drakor98 Před 5 lety +38

      Matthew St. Cyr I mean, a chest of gold sounds like incredible wealth to me.

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 Před 5 lety +7

      Perhaps, but he did have to spend much of it buying back his belongings after the Hobbits auctioned it all off; having assumed he had died. Plus, the book specified "two small chests; such that a strong pony could carry".

    • @Sivart343
      @Sivart343 Před 5 lety +38

      @@matthewmuir8884 Bilbo was independently wealthy prior to the events of the Hobbit, and also I do seem to recall he collected the troll hoard on the return journey in addition to his two chests of gold. Bilbo employed at least a gardener, and unless I am mistaken collected rents from Bagshot Row. Additionally, the epilogue notes that his waistcoat has gold buttons opposed to brass. I would say that going from wealthy enough to not have a day job to wealthy enough to get a reputation for gift giving and some degree of extravagance would be incredibly wealthy, even if his contemporaries exaggerated his wealth in rumor.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac Před 5 lety +29

      "The wealth of Moria was not in gold or jewels, but mithril.
      Bilbo had a shirt of mithril rings that Thorin gave him.
      I never told him, but its worth was greater than the value of the Shire."
      Incredibly wealthy can be taken literally in this case....
      czcams.com/video/mc1xmT63_Kk/video.html

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 Před 5 lety +6

      @Sivart343 True that he was independently wealthy beforehand, he did collect the troll hoard on the return journey, and he did replace the brass buttons that had fallen off with gold buttons. I'm just pointing out that he returned only with enough that a strong pony could carry, and he had to spend quite a bit of it, in very sharp contrast to the originally agreed 1/14th share of the treasure and Dain having wanted it that Bilbo be the most richly rewarded of all of them.

  • @jonedvinz
    @jonedvinz Před 5 lety +435

    Someones been watching BazBattles. But please give me more. I want every large scale conflict in LotR!

    • @HelloFutureMe
      @HelloFutureMe  Před 5 lety +50

      BazBattles is incredible!
      ~ Tim

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 Před 5 lety +1

      Hello Future Me
      There's also great battles in the Left Behind books also like the battle of Israel in Glorious Appealing, Armageddon, and Remnant.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac Před 5 lety +3

      You should do a colab with BazB!!

    • @wint3rki11
      @wint3rki11 Před 5 lety +4

      Bazbattles and general something (I forget) are great.

    • @Maggoz777
      @Maggoz777 Před 5 lety +1

      @@HelloFutureMe I actually began watching the video thinking it was BazBattles until I recognized you're voice.. Keep doing these with fictional battles please! How bout something from Dragonlance or ASOIAF battles, huh? :)

  • @KommanderKurt
    @KommanderKurt Před 5 lety +307

    Please do more battle strategy videos! I absolutely love the analysis of militaristic strategies - The Battle of Helm’s deep and The siege of Minas Tirith would be outstanding! :)

    • @kersonwoodyjames5784
      @kersonwoodyjames5784 Před 5 lety +4

      check out BazBattle, that is where he got this from, they do real historical battles and a few game of thrones battles aswell.

    • @KommanderKurt
      @KommanderKurt Před 5 lety

      Karston James cool thx

    • @Slayerlord0
      @Slayerlord0 Před 5 lety +1

      Seconded

    • @samuelhaffey
      @samuelhaffey Před 5 lety +1

      would love to see this as well. u get like and a comment lol

    • @KommanderKurt
      @KommanderKurt Před 5 lety

      Samuel Haffey 🙏

  • @andreaswidham3607
    @andreaswidham3607 Před 5 lety +96

    This is what I wanted the movie to feature. The tactics and strategies is what made the battle seem so real. The movie didn't provide them, so the battle became a mess. The clash between the dwarves and elves work, but after that it all goes downhill. The worms, elves jumping over the dwarven shield wall, the messy battle in Dale and, the biggest offender, Thorin's charge from the mountain. In the book it makes some sense. Yes there is only 13 of them, but they are armed and armored with the finest dwarven weapons and armor, they have complete surprise and come at the goblins on their flank. This panics them, and Thorin is swiftly reinforced by his kin and allies, leading a do or die, all or nothing, charge at Bolg himself. It has a logic to it, Thorin has the (edit) moment*um*, the goblins are in disarray, if he can kill Bolg... But he doesn't manage it. He can't break through Bolg's guard. His attack is bogged down, the goblins rally, and he's surrounded and cut down, his two cousins falling defending his body.
    That's what I wanted in the movie. Not necessarily every detail, but the spirit of it, more sense less flash.

    • @budderbrinejr
      @budderbrinejr Před 5 lety +3

      I think that if they're going to force it into 3 movies, then the 3rd movie (named after the battle) should include all the cool details of the battle!

    • @chrissmith3587
      @chrissmith3587 Před 4 lety +1

      Andreas Widham the elves jumping over the dwarves was the only thing I couldn’t accept being artistic license, it was stupid you have a wall of pikes the single best weapon for stopping a charge and a giant mass of bodies running at the said wall, you can either shoot the charging army or jump to your death so that the goblins push you onto the dwarven spears what sane person would jump over

    • @goodputin4324
      @goodputin4324 Před 4 lety

      Kili and Fili are his nephews, not cousins

    • @Aurora2097
      @Aurora2097 Před 4 lety +1

      Yes.The film, both theatrical and extended veryion, were such rubbish, especially the battle was unreListic and dumb. I like how this video explains and shows how well thought through Tolkien had devised this important battle.The man was well versed in history and had been an officer in ww1, he knew a bit about such things.Peter Jackson - zero!

    • @blockobutter
      @blockobutter Před 4 lety

      They wanted a quick action at the end. Realistic battle tactics, most of the audience won't give a shit about. The only people who would give a shit about it are the hardass I-wanted-it-exactly-as-the-book fuckers like you and me. However, it's still a movie that needs to appeal to the masses who may or may not have read the book (and even if they did they wouldn't care about realism of battle tactics.) The battle looked cool, and that was enough for them. That was the best the team could do to compromise accuracy with general cinematography. Same with every other book adaptations. The lotr movies were better done, but many things were added/ modified to suit the environment of the film. If the book had been copy and pasted into the movie, it would have been an undoubtedly shit movie altogether, to book readers or not.

  • @kodytiffany5686
    @kodytiffany5686 Před 5 lety +183

    That was way more clear than either movie or book; thank you.

    • @inkedg0d579
      @inkedg0d579 Před 4 lety +1

      You looks like a orc are you azog cousin?

    • @davidnelson702
      @davidnelson702 Před 4 lety +1

      Nothing is better than the books.

    • @spikeannoyed
      @spikeannoyed Před 4 lety

      He had added a few things in here that are not in the book ... very good video however

  • @CatOnACell
    @CatOnACell Před 5 lety +41

    I never knew I needed a fantasy video in the style of Historia Civilis. Thank you for making this.

  • @lukeskywalkerthe2nd773
    @lukeskywalkerthe2nd773 Před 5 lety +235

    Man.... This video was so awesome! I definitely see that it took a lot of hard work to make it, but it all truly paid off in the end! The Battle of Five Armies is so facinating to me in terms of it's tactics and strategy, and still to this day it is one of my most favorite battles in the entire Legendarium! I cannot wait to see more! :)

    • @darking30
      @darking30 Před 5 lety +1

      gondolin siege!

    • @aB-of1nz
      @aB-of1nz Před 5 lety +1

      You kidding! That movie sucked as hell and the battle was the lamest Ive ever seen, a movie for retards and 6 y/old kids

  • @vezokpiraka
    @vezokpiraka Před 5 lety +327

    Probably the best Middle Earth battle. It's such a shame that the movies were crap. Beorn was neglected as a character when he was probably the most instrumental person for the defeat of the Goblins.

    • @thomassaldana2465
      @thomassaldana2465 Před 5 lety +43

      Agreed, especially about the movies being crap. Peter Jackson is great with cinematography and emotional music, but completely useless with battles. There's almost no sense of a chain of command or greater tactical planning, and the battle lines always get abandoned after the first three seconds because he thinks hundreds of individual duels look cool.

    • @JoeXTheXJuggalo1
      @JoeXTheXJuggalo1 Před 5 lety +3

      The 1970s movie was good. The movies that came out a few years ago was junk.

    • @TheAchilles26
      @TheAchilles26 Před 5 lety +44

      Hollywood collectively prefers the stupid multitude of individual duels over actual formation fighting. And it's a real shame, because proper formation combat can still be epic and even entertaining.

    • @JoeXTheXJuggalo1
      @JoeXTheXJuggalo1 Před 5 lety +6

      @@TheAchilles26 and Hollywood wants take something awesome and adding a bunch of CGI computer junk, change characters, change storylines, and slap a remake/reboot on the cover.

    • @twanduvigneau5809
      @twanduvigneau5809 Před 5 lety +17

      @@thomassaldana2465 I don't agree, he directed the siege of Hellms deep, that was one of the best sieges put on film ever.

  • @mylji2276
    @mylji2276 Před 5 lety +102

    Play of The Game: Beorn
    (Insert Overwatch music as Beorn smashes the goblin army)

  • @Pluveus
    @Pluveus Před 5 lety +28

    Aww man, you totally could've just quoted the passage about Beorn when he takes down Bolg. "Swiftly he returned, and his wrath was redoubled so that none could withstand him and no weapon seemed to bite upon him. He scattered the bodyguard and pulled Bolg himself and crushed him." I get an ASMR reaction whenever I hear Robert Ingless read that passage.

  • @Lutefisk445
    @Lutefisk445 Před 5 lety +6

    This was as suspensful as actually reading/watching this battle. You did an amazing job on this video! Keep up the good work!

  • @mhbjarkistef
    @mhbjarkistef Před 5 lety

    Love how the animations support the narrative and give a clear overview of multiple aspects of the story at the same time. Keep up the good work!

  • @Jamie-ux8sk
    @Jamie-ux8sk Před 5 lety +1

    Loved this video I’ve always loved fantasy medical battles played out from a strategic viewpoint and you showcased it brilliantly, well done and please do more of these.

  • @MLGshzlss
    @MLGshzlss Před 5 lety +4

    That was really cool. Would be amazing to see some of the other legendary battles done this way

  • @mwf6771
    @mwf6771 Před 5 lety +47

    Instantly recognized the Inkarnate artwork. Such an awesome program. If anyone is even remotely interested in making fantasy maps, I really recommend them!

    • @GnarledStaff
      @GnarledStaff Před 5 lety +1

      Irondil
      Thank you!

    • @Jackb290
      @Jackb290 Před 5 lety +5

      I heard they can claim your maps

    • @valentinmitterbauer4196
      @valentinmitterbauer4196 Před 5 lety +5

      @@Jackb290 Yep, they have the legal right to do so. Also some content is blocked behind the paywall. I am looking forward to Wonderdraft instead (also coastlines are way easier there) czcams.com/video/AHh6ofAMUJk/video.html

    • @Jackb290
      @Jackb290 Před 5 lety

      @@valentinmitterbauer4196 I already bought wonderdraft its pretty cool

    • @budderbrinejr
      @budderbrinejr Před 5 lety

      Yep, wonderdraft is, in fact, great.

  • @fizzypurple5495
    @fizzypurple5495 Před 5 lety +1

    This video is incredibly well made with awesome production values, very professional overall, well done!

  • @theobenzmiller5522
    @theobenzmiller5522 Před 5 lety +2

    This is exactly the kind of content I wish was more common on CZcams. It would be awesome as a series like the one you did for Elder Scrolls. The War of the Ring and the War of the Jewels are both full of fascinating battles.

  • @HeirofAzaran
    @HeirofAzaran Před 5 lety +5

    The exact second you mentioned the treasure an ad popped up about gold rings. How appropriate.

  • @halla1548
    @halla1548 Před 4 lety +7

    I'm glad things like this exist and that so many people have watched it.

  • @TheCookieRave
    @TheCookieRave Před 5 lety

    This video helped me find your channel, I would regularly watch and enjoy this type of content!

  • @elpinchesueno
    @elpinchesueno Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you! I feel like I can never get enough of this battle

  • @bryanperkins4987
    @bryanperkins4987 Před 5 lety +54

    Also, if it possible, cover some of the battles in the silmarillion

    • @TheAchilles26
      @TheAchilles26 Před 5 lety +7

      I will probably cry of they do the Nirnaeth Arnoediad

    • @construtordemundos3420
      @construtordemundos3420 Před 4 lety

      @@TheAchilles26 is that the battle under the stars or one of the many seiges of the Thongorodrim?

    • @TheAchilles26
      @TheAchilles26 Před 4 lety +2

      @@construtordemundos3420, it was when they tried to restore the Siege of Angband and the Elves got wiped out instead

    • @construtordemundos3420
      @construtordemundos3420 Před 4 lety

      @@TheAchilles26 oh, as I suspected

  • @madambutterfly1997
    @madambutterfly1997 Před 5 lety +41

    I thought dragons have a sixth sense to wealth and treasure that forcibly draws them to it like moths to a flame

    • @In.Gy.
      @In.Gy. Před 5 lety +20

      GIVE ME WEÄLTH BRÖTHER

    • @spooder_jockey
      @spooder_jockey Před 5 lety +10

      Is treasure like a lämp?

    • @davidmccarthy4206
      @davidmccarthy4206 Před 5 lety +8

      BRÖTHER DO YOU HAVE HÖARD

    • @michimatsch5862
      @michimatsch5862 Před 5 lety +1

      Are you a DnD player?
      Because in Faerun, Ebberon and the Forgotten Realms it is that way.

  • @javiervalverde628
    @javiervalverde628 Před 5 lety

    Thank you for this kind of video. It’s just the sort of content I enjoy. Battles and strategies is a hobby of mine and I have studied the battles of the Lord of the Rings extensively with books and maps from different authors. This is the first time I’ve seen this type of troop movement animated and I really appreciated it. Very well done and thank you so much. I would definitely enjoy further such videos.

  • @Hede87
    @Hede87 Před 5 lety

    I literally watched all your Tolkien content late last night and wished for more. Thanks!

  • @Lord_Inquisitor7
    @Lord_Inquisitor7 Před 2 lety +3

    Really puts into perspective how incredibly brutal the battle was, the men elves and dwarves all lost over half their forces

  • @teganclarkson377
    @teganclarkson377 Před 5 lety +23

    I've only seen the movies and was so confused. You explained it so simply thanks.

  • @katenawolfenstein9468
    @katenawolfenstein9468 Před 5 lety

    This was so intense from start to finish, even though I've already got the whole battle memorized. Great Job Tim!!

  • @Mongward
    @Mongward Před 5 lety

    This is brilliant. Amazing work, and I'd love to see more videos like that.

  • @Maribro4
    @Maribro4 Před 5 lety +191

    Unpopular opinion, despite the hobbit trilogy’s shortcomings. I still enjoyed them

    • @lowercase_the
      @lowercase_the Před 5 lety +11

      They’re definitely entertaining but I prefer the book more

    • @heyits17
      @heyits17 Před 5 lety +8

      Yup, unpopular. Lol

    • @wint3rki11
      @wint3rki11 Před 5 lety +7

      I actually like the hobbit more than Lord of the rings.

    • @wint3rki11
      @wint3rki11 Před 5 lety +4

      @@John-ir4id the Lord of the rings had many changes too. Personally, I like the hobbit more than lotr. I still lioe lord of the rings but I just love the slow build up to the massive battle at the end. I dont see any issues with cgi, acting was great, and the over all movie was fun. Plus, its not as boring was the book was. Yes, I understand the complaint for making up a new character and bringing in another character from Lord of the rings, but I really feel like the movie would be lacking without it. The only compaint I really have about the hobbit is maybe that forced romantic feelings between the dwarf and elf.

    • @twanduvigneau5809
      @twanduvigneau5809 Před 5 lety +8

      @@wint3rki11 it's a shame the battle of the five armies was a mess. Look at the battles in the lord of the rings, they where executed so great compared to the last hobbit

  • @y.r._
    @y.r._ Před 4 lety +6

    3:54 this is where I see the biggest flaw in tolkiens entire saga. He totally seems to forget about logistics. What would those 500 armored men eat, while fighting of the besiegers?

    • @AnnaMarianne
      @AnnaMarianne Před 4 lety

      That is a good question. Generally speaking Dwarves don't seem to produce their own food, but aquire it through trade. So how did they historically survive in similar situations, which must have been at least reasonably reoccuring to require preplanning. They must usually have been stocked up well with unperishing food.
      In this situation there would have been nothing in Erebor, but Dain probably would have brought provisions. How much could he have brought? And how could they have gotten them inside Erebor? Let's assume they had carts laden with food with them when they journeyd from the Iron Hills. They could have left those carts guarded in the hills. The plan was that once the reinforcements had breached the lines of Elves and Men and gotten inside Erebor, they would have reopened some of the side entrances to flank the enemy. They knew the enemy couldn't besiege the entire mountain. So if those theoretical guarded provisions existed somewhere reasonably nearby, they could have brought them in through some opened side entrance, hopefully before it was found out by the enemy scouts.
      And if they survived long enough in the mountain, they could probably hope for even more Dwarvish allies to arrive and force the enemy to give up. I think they would have been in far better position convincing other Dwarves to help them than the Mirkwood Elves or the Lakemen would have been in finding allies. The Dwarves of the Blue Mountains surely would have sent help - many of them were refugees of Erebor themselves. But why would Elrond or Galadriel get involved in this mess? Or what help the scattered Woodsmen could or would give to their relatives?
      Just my theory.

    • @y.r._
      @y.r._ Před 4 lety

      @@AnnaMarianne I like the way you think and all the details you consider. You seem to be a true historian xD

  • @onetruebob_tj
    @onetruebob_tj Před 5 lety

    Well done! Such an amazing story. Thanks for posting.

  • @art3me
    @art3me Před 5 lety

    I gotta say, this was really cool. Wouldn't mind seeing more like this in the future!

  • @viniciusvyller9458
    @viniciusvyller9458 Před 5 lety +56

    The battle would have been awesome in the movie if they built up that same anticipationthey built for the Hornburg in the Two Towers. Imagine if the orc army marched through the valley while the men, dwarves and elves waited for the right time to ambush. The battle at the movies was an abomination instead...

    • @ComradeAurelian
      @ComradeAurelian Před 5 lety +3

      I think the movies were still good, far from a masterpiece but still they were really enjoyable

  • @knightshade1297
    @knightshade1297 Před 5 lety +104

    It should be renamed to hobbit we use Eagles for every thing

    • @durinV
      @durinV Před 5 lety +4

      The same did Morgoth during the first age with dragons and balrogs when the battle seemed lost xD

    • @bcn1gh7h4wk
      @bcn1gh7h4wk Před 5 lety +2

      "SCREEMEN EEGLEEEEE!"
      _BWAAAGH BWAGH!! _*_BRWAAAAGH!_*

    • @Sipu97
      @Sipu97 Před 5 lety

      It happened in canon and was explained well. Do your research, or if you are aware of it; you make yourself look ignorant.

    • @budderbrinejr
      @budderbrinejr Před 5 lety +6

      @@Sipu97 They aren't saying it didn't happen and it wasn't explained well, they were just joking about how the eagles do often easily solve many problems.

  • @Lisa-ol1ih
    @Lisa-ol1ih Před 3 lety

    I just got to this part in my re-reading of The Hobbit and this helps so much to visualize what happened! Thank you for this

  • @1987MartinT
    @1987MartinT Před 5 lety

    Yes! Another one! Keep up the good work. I'd love to see more.

  • @justinrudler2972
    @justinrudler2972 Před 5 lety +38

    This eleven minute video was more interesting than all of the movie of the same name.

  • @kushalthapa5177
    @kushalthapa5177 Před 5 lety +5

    This video reminds me of another youtube channel named Bazbattles.

  • @mefrym6393
    @mefrym6393 Před 3 lety +1

    I love strategy videos soooo much, this is awesome!

  • @devynstroshine8817
    @devynstroshine8817 Před 5 lety

    Wait this was such an incredibly well done video. So enjoyable to watch and listen to. I commend you on an incredibly well done video once again.

  • @10kanojias
    @10kanojias Před 4 lety +3

    The battle of five armies is done, the battle for middle earth has just begun......

  • @pierrekhalfi7622
    @pierrekhalfi7622 Před 5 lety +3

    Great video, as always ! Thank you very much. But I have one question, which are the five armies ? I have been struggling with that for years, can anyone help ? I

    • @vukodsrbije
      @vukodsrbije Před 5 lety +5

      The Men of Dale,
      The Mirkwood Elves,
      The Dwarves of Iron Hills, The Gundabad Horde,
      and the Beorn with Eagles

    • @7OwlsWithALaptop
      @7OwlsWithALaptop Před 5 lety

      Vukasin Popovic hm...
      The Humans of Laketown
      The Elves
      The dwarves in the mountain
      Dales dwarves
      The Goblins

    • @_stayoung_
      @_stayoung_ Před 5 lety +1

      1. Men of Dale
      2. Mirkwood Elves
      3. Goblins
      4. Iron Hills Dwarves
      5. Thorin's company or wargs & bats or eagles & Beorn or the movie orcs. No one really knows

    • @vukodsrbije
      @vukodsrbije Před 5 lety +3

      @@7OwlsWithALaptop I don't think that an army consists of 13 members...

    • @devan6935
      @devan6935 Před 5 lety +1

      men of dale,
      mirkwood elves
      dwarves
      bolg's army
      another goblin army

  • @coldderthanicee
    @coldderthanicee Před 5 lety

    That was dope nice visual queues

  • @Slayerlord0
    @Slayerlord0 Před 5 lety

    This was awesome! Hope to see more of these.

  • @enlightenedterrestrial
    @enlightenedterrestrial Před 5 lety +3

    If only the goblins had waited a little so that the elves and dwarves would have killed each other...

  • @CptCh4os
    @CptCh4os Před 5 lety +13

    What is your source for this? As I remember it the battle was never shown in the book because Bilbo was unconscious after the first few seconds. I would very much like to see other big battles and hopefully one that make more sense than this one.

    • @cristianbernal8009
      @cristianbernal8009 Před 5 lety +13

      Chapters 15,16 and 17 in the hobbit book as well as the Atlas of middle earth

    • @CptCh4os
      @CptCh4os Před 5 lety +3

      Is the Atlas of Middle Earth by Tolkien? It sounds interesting though I feel this battle has quite a few logic holes @@cristianbernal8009

    • @cristianbernal8009
      @cristianbernal8009 Před 5 lety +12

      It isnt, but is entirely and solely based on the works of tolkien and has been revised with Tolkiens son releasing all of his fathers original works. This is tolkien full and full.

    • @matthewmuir8884
      @matthewmuir8884 Před 5 lety +19

      Actually, he was awake until the eagles arrived, and a rock fell on his head. Bilbo (and the audience) was later filled in on the rest of what happened in the next two chapters.

  • @100dfrost
    @100dfrost Před 5 lety

    Excellent presentation, thanks.

  • @adamberg7532
    @adamberg7532 Před 5 lety

    This is my favorite video you have yet to make, I love videos like this, Keep it up please!, i know its a lot to ask, but il ask it noone the less

  • @RedwoodTheElf
    @RedwoodTheElf Před 5 lety +26

    "Rudimentary but simple?" You do know those are synonyms, right?

    • @bredrick.
      @bredrick. Před 4 lety +9

      They may be synonyms, but they do mean the same thing.

    • @arandombard1197
      @arandombard1197 Před 4 lety +3

      @@bredrick. In which case, there is no need for the 'but as you not contrasting anything. The more common phrasing here would be "rudimentary but effective", as in "these are basic and unrefined tactics, BUT they still work despite that."

    • @madeking4
      @madeking4 Před 4 lety

      @@arandombard1197 Simple tactics are very important on the battlefield, complicated tactics fall apart very easily. Bombarding the enemy with trebuchet would be a tactic that's simple but not rudimentary given the mechanics involved. Charging the enemy from 5 side with 5 different armies would be a rudimentary tactic but not simple. There is an important contrast there. Advanced tactics are good, complicated tactics are bad.

    • @arandombard1197
      @arandombard1197 Před 4 lety

      @@madeking4 Lol, no. He made a grammatical mistake. No need to bend over backwards to try and justify it. Especially considering none of your examples apply to the video that his comment was about.

    • @madeking4
      @madeking4 Před 4 lety

      @@arandombard1197 I'm sorry if you can't see the distinction between the simple rudimentary tactic of having a line of archers fire from a hill compared to the mess of over complicated but rudimentary tactics used elsewhere in this battle, and the importance of it.

  • @giulioaprati338
    @giulioaprati338 Před 4 lety +5

    That's military history visualized

  • @TheScorpioProject333
    @TheScorpioProject333 Před 4 lety

    Great use of inkarnet for the maps
    Love the video hope you do more like this

  • @williamp.5253
    @williamp.5253 Před 5 lety

    Just subbed to your channel after watching this video. I really enjoyed it and would love it if you made more. Thanks for producing it!

  • @7OwlsWithALaptop
    @7OwlsWithALaptop Před 5 lety +12

    BEORN MVP!!!

  • @reybladen3068
    @reybladen3068 Před 5 lety +4

    This is very different from the movie.

    • @Moonbear-it4ty
      @Moonbear-it4ty Před 5 lety +1

      The Hobbit movies might as well be a different story compared to the book.

  • @whistlingbat
    @whistlingbat Před 5 lety

    Finally, I understand this battle! It has always been so confusing for me. I think that more videos like this would be great, especially for the battles that were never covered on film, such as pivotal ones from the Silmarillion.

  • @yasithaabeyrathne539
    @yasithaabeyrathne539 Před 5 lety

    Really Nice work Dude

  • @lawofthewest1983
    @lawofthewest1983 Před 5 lety +2

    cheat code to LOTR: send in the EAGLES

  • @andreystolyarov7608
    @andreystolyarov7608 Před 5 lety +3

    Why they couldnt move into Erebor and defend using its fortifications?

    • @In.Gy.
      @In.Gy. Před 5 lety +7

      Thorin was being a bitchly, if I remember correctly.

    • @devan6935
      @devan6935 Před 5 lety +2

      @@In.Gy. as soon as the news of goblins was heard, they should've convinced him to open the gate, let them in and then rebuild the barricade

    • @In.Gy.
      @In.Gy. Před 5 lety +1

      @@devan6935 I think they tried, actually! But Thorin locked himself in his treasure room, being a bitchly, and the others were too loyal to their king and company leader to sally out without him. It wasn't until the battle was joined that Thorin realized how much of a bitchly he was being by letting Dain and the dwarves he had called to help him, die for him outside and on their own, that he finally decided to go help them.

    • @MrNicoJac
      @MrNicoJac Před 5 lety +1

      because of dragon sickness plot drama ;-)

    • @TheAchilles26
      @TheAchilles26 Před 5 lety +1

      Because there wasn't anywhere even remotely near enough time for any such thing. Once the goblin army arrived (and in Tolkien's books, there is none of the difference between goblins and Orcs that DnD introduced and the movies clung to), the only option was to stand and fight.

  • @arcen3169
    @arcen3169 Před 5 lety

    Excellent video. Seeing the strategy and tactics of this pivotal battle was amazing. Perhaps do the Battle of Dale in 3019 TA next? Or the Battle of Amon Sûl during the Arnorian Wars?

  • @kuunda8363
    @kuunda8363 Před 5 lety

    Damn it dude. Your stuff is always so great I'll drop what I'm watching for it.

  • @jinxtheunluckypony
    @jinxtheunluckypony Před 5 lety +4

    So were Beorn and the Eagles the 5th army or was the 5th army the Goblin reinforcements?

    • @matejcepel2912
      @matejcepel2912 Před 5 lety

      1.mens of lake town 2.elves of mirkwood 3. dwarves 4. orcs of moria and dol guldur 5. orcs of gundabad (that orc reinforcements)

    • @won1853
      @won1853 Před 5 lety +3

      Actually in the book the 5th army was Wargs (evil wolves). While Goblins often used them as mounts, Wargs were actually an intelligent race of creatures with their own language. The relationship between Goblins and Wargs described in the book is alliance, not master and servant. The movies screwed up and downgraded them to generic CGI monsters. Instead they added a second Goblin army. Lame.
      On the other hand, for some reason Tolkien didn't include the Eagles as one of the armies, despite being highly intelligent creatures. My guess is they were left out because they're basically air force and didn't participate in the ground battles. Likewise the bats on the Goblins' side didn't count. But that's just my guess.

    • @matejcepel2912
      @matejcepel2912 Před 5 lety

      @@won1853 wow iam huuge LOTR fun but i didnt know that about wargs .. i thought they are just tamed wolves used by orcs

  • @degenerate3288
    @degenerate3288 Před 5 lety +4

    Try to get a channel that does the strategy army stuff like Kings and Generals to do this
    Your narration is good but the army needs a bit of work

  • @jessecollins3652
    @jessecollins3652 Před 5 lety

    Make more of these. You already know bout ES lore and these are really enjoyable.

  • @thenatural1189
    @thenatural1189 Před 5 lety

    Well done. I love the use of the Incarnate map making tool it fits the overall atmosphere

  • @Guyon-to3tu
    @Guyon-to3tu Před 5 lety

    Loved this vid! You should make some for the Battles of Helms Deep, Pelennor Fields and the Black Gate

  • @terr4byte
    @terr4byte Před 4 lety

    well done. thank you for the video!

  • @emmanuelgonzalezcaseira9141

    This was fairly entertaining. I wouldn't mind seeing more of this.

  • @mahaney98
    @mahaney98 Před 4 lety

    This is amazing work!!

  • @carnum1159
    @carnum1159 Před 5 lety

    Just discovered your channel, really cool!

  • @jrbuschief
    @jrbuschief Před 5 lety

    Hey Tim, not sure if you had any plans to do another one of these battle style videos, but I think it would be very interesting to see your thoughts on the Angmar War between the Kingdoms of Arnor and the Witch-King of Angmar (LotR). Thanks again for the awesome videos!

  • @thepallghost6443
    @thepallghost6443 Před 4 lety

    Yes!!!!!!!!!! Please, I’ve been trying to find a good summarization of the battle of the pelenor fields

  • @louisarnoult9305
    @louisarnoult9305 Před 4 lety

    I really like this kind of content, hope to see more soon

  • @matthewdavid6134
    @matthewdavid6134 Před 5 lety

    Yes more of this army stuff please!!

  • @pyrosianheir
    @pyrosianheir Před 5 lety

    *Hears your voice* *was expecting Baz Battles* *checks description* OH! Hey, man, thought you were someone else. Good video! I'd love to see more of it.
    4:57 - A WIZARD DID IT

  • @seanthatcher2999
    @seanthatcher2999 Před 5 lety

    Nice use of inkarnate! I use it all the time, I never thought about using it for videos. You should look into the pro version, especially if you are going to do more videos like this :). Great job, love it!

  • @andrewhahn1983
    @andrewhahn1983 Před 5 lety

    more of these battle overviews please!

  • @billyzm
    @billyzm Před 4 lety

    Love it, thanks to YOU that I finally figured out what exactly went on between Tolkien's lines... This reminds me so much of Total War and Ultimate General, and Beron of course, much like Kira and Athrun from Gundam SEED, turning the battlefield single-handedly...

  • @JonathanChanMT
    @JonathanChanMT Před 5 lety

    I figured it out. You're the *oversimplified* of fantasy.
    Amazing work as usual

  • @gabrielbrennan4149
    @gabrielbrennan4149 Před 5 lety +1

    I cannot tell you how much Goblins riding wolves/wargs blew my little child mind.
    I need to reread Hobbit now..
    Also, Battle of the 5.1 Armies - go Beorn!!

  • @jeffhreid
    @jeffhreid Před 5 lety

    Excellent! If only the movie was as well executed as this video. Great job

  • @davidknight2104
    @davidknight2104 Před 3 lety

    This was great 👏🏻👏🏻

  • @joecaballero4988
    @joecaballero4988 Před 4 lety

    GREETINGS! That's a very nice video.
    I hope you can also make another one depicting the Last Battle of Middenheim during the End Times in Warhammer Fantasy Battle. That battle is just epic. 😊😊

  • @vitortorres9524
    @vitortorres9524 Před 5 lety

    We need more videos like this pls!!!!!

  • @GlobeMartin
    @GlobeMartin Před 4 lety

    More like this, please! Like all of the battle on middle earth (craving for it)

  • @Uberdude6666
    @Uberdude6666 Před 5 lety +1

    So you're going to make videos like Kings and Generals and Baz battles, only with fantasy-battles? I'd love to see that! And I am sure if you go for that, as you gain experience after making more videos, the substansial work load will become easier and less time consuming

  • @albertbertaton8014
    @albertbertaton8014 Před 5 lety

    This was a really cool video I would really love to see more

  • @ihl0700677525
    @ihl0700677525 Před 5 lety

    Kudos. This make so much more sense than the movie.

  • @damen9578
    @damen9578 Před 5 lety

    Damn! This was freaking amazing!