Sony PS5 HDMI 2.1 Bandwidth is Capped at 32Gbps (vs Xbox Series X 40Gbps)
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- čas přidán 7. 09. 2024
- We analysed the HDMI 2.1 output from the Sony PS5 (Playstation 5) console, and found that the maximum bandwidth it can deliver either at 4K@60Hz or 4K@120Hz is currently 32Gbps, which is lower than the 40Gbps HDMI 2.1 bandwidth on the Xbox Series X.
Calculations: 4K@60Hz at 12-bit RGB = 32Gbps (8Gbps at 4 Lanes)
4K@120Hz at 12-bit 4:2:2 = 32Gbps (8Gbps at 4 Lanes)
Japanese teardown of Sony PS5, revealing HDMI 2.1 chipset from Panasonic Semiconductor Solutions/ Nuvoton Technology (MN864739):
www.4gamer.net...
We are not sure if this Panasonic chipset is capable of 40Gbps or 48Gbps.
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Thankfully youtubers like you are around to let everyone know.
The media, IGN, and thr Gane Awards will continue taking it up the rear from Sony (with no lube)
@@PlaceboHead360 I don't think it's much of an issue if it's not very noticeable though. It's all about the games, not the HDMI controller.
@@myairspace121 Well, if Multplats play, look worse, and have BILLIONS OF LESS COLORS than a Series Console... who wants that version other than poor kids who can't afford Greatness?
@@PlaceboHead360
Go watch Digital Foundries comparison videos if you truly want to see the difference between the PS5 and Xbox Series X.
@@virtualwarp The consoles literally just came out. Wait till actual next gen games come out to compare. Battlefield 6 will be interesting.
Someone: Lg cheaped out on 40gbps hdmi ports
Ps5: hold my DualSense
*DualSense.
@@anarfox oh wow 😂😂😂
Thats why I got a Xbox series X plugged into my LG c9🥰
To be fair as this channel pointed out. The Series X outputs at 40Gbps and that is enough to enable all features.
@@00shmee that’s straight up marketing lies😂😂😂 they just found out they really screwed up when they straight up released full bandwidth hdmis across the whole lineup last year.
they gonna feature full bandwidth hdmi in next year’s lineup but only in top tier premium TVs.
And the same people who said that 40 or even 30 gbps is enough will all try to persuade people that it is better to get one with the highest bandwidth😂😂😂and the division into full and limited bandwidth will be a huge part of marketing as well when those next gen TVs arrive
Vincent this news has obliterated my internal organs. I am now just a skin sack with a face.
Incredible comment
The more I learn about the PS5 the more certain I am I'm getting a xbox series x instead. I was getting a ps5 first buuuut yeah I don't think I am now. Damn you Square Enix MAKE YOUR GAMES FOR XBOX! Why isn't FF7 remake on Xbox!? Why hasn't FF 16 been announced for Xbox? These games are the only reasons I was getting a ps5 first.
Niiiiice
@@Andronicus87 I believe FF7 remake is coming to Xbox. Not sure about FF16, but the PS5 exclusivity/PS5 first deal is likely due to their both being Japanese companies.
@@Andronicus87 man, I'm kind of a sony fanboy (after the x360 rod fiasco), but this ps5 is becoming less and less appealing, and more disappointing, each day.
The good days are gone, when sony would do the impossible to build a state of the art console, like the ps1, ps2 or ps3. With the ps4, sony choosed the nintendo route: build a new system as cheap as possible, like 250 bucks or less, to sell it day one at 449 or 499.
The ps3 was so powerful and ahead of its time, that the ps4 games could easily run on a ps3, with some minor tweaks and a lower resolution... that's why a gta5, tlou or uncharted remasters look basically the same, on the ps4 and ps3.
The ps4 pro should have been the launch system, back in 2013...
Now, this ps5, it's compromises after compromises, to reach that 200-$250 price:
Gddr6 instead of gddr6x
Only 825/660GB after format
No 1440p support
Now, this limited hdmi2.1
Only 36 CUs
Only 10.3tflops
Etc etc
Even with the fancy nvme tech, 2 times faster than the xbox, on paper, in reality the x sx games load much much faster.
This ps5 is basically a ps4 pro v2...
Sony may claim 10.3 and 12 tflops difference isn't a big deal... but we all saw how much much better, sharper, etc, the rdr2 xbox 1x 6tflops version did look, compared to the 4.2 tflops ps4 pro version.
Those 2 tflops, or 20% extra power might not look a lot... but in future games, that difference could mean a ps5 version upscaled, vs a xsx version native... or a 40fps ps5 version vs a 60fps xsx version... or a high res texture pack on ps5 vs a photorealistic pack on the xsx... or even a msaa 2x on ps5, vs a msaa 8x on the xsx...
Not a big deal, they say, right...
After the x360, I skipped the x1. Almost no exclusives, less powerful, etc etc. Today, the xsx is a beast, and to people like me, who is building a zen3/rtx3090 rig to play cyberpunk, the gaming pass alone could be a fantastic deal. hundreds of titles to discover, for 10 bucks.
Since the ps3 era, sony became more and more arrogant, self-confident, greedy, each day.
We went from 64 90% metacritics free games per year, on the ps+ ps3, with 5 possible installations , to 90% of indie crap , on ps4. 2 installs max.
Also, if i am a ps+ subscriber, why do I have to manually add the monthly free ps+ games to my library...why can't sony simply add them to me ?
Each new day, the ps5 becomes a even bigger joke. And it is even more sad, to find out about these kind of things... frankly, what can be the difference in price, between a 40gb hdmi 2.1 chip, and a 32Gb one ? 10 cents? 5 cts ? Lol...
What about the gddr6 and gddr6x..? 20 dollars more expensive? 10 dollars ?
Probably with those 10 miserable dollars, the ps5 could maybe be a 11Tflops system, instead of 10.3...
+ all the lies.. like tsushima being the last ps4 title... Just to announce miles morales would be released on the ps4...
Cyberpunk will be the next biiig title: gigantic city, tons of npcs, reflexions all over the place, great animations, ultra detailed characters, etc etc.
It will be interesting to see how the game is going to run, on the ps5 and xsx...
I'll now be picking a xsx before the ps5, for sure. As it is, today, sony don't deserve my money.
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Honestly I’ve never really been interested in content like this on CZcams but the effort and information you put into every video is brilliant. Keep up the awesome work brother!!
For a manufacturer that makes some really good tvs how does Sony keep messing up HDMI 2.1 like this?
It’s not about sloppily rushing technologies, it’s about MASTERING them. When Sony implements it in the following year or two it’ll be miles ahead of the competition.
@@Party85050 Amen. Hail corporate. /s
To be fair, everybody is messing up HDMI 2.1. Just look at how VRR is going.
@@Party85050 I wouldn’t say there would be a significant difference. But Sony has a history of implementing compliant hardware - then updating later with a patch when standards are set. That’s why HDR came to OG PS4 3yrs after launch.
The HDMI 2.1 chip in PS5 is fully compliant and software will be updated at a later date along with other AV features. Reality is full 4K/120 just isn’t a thing on these consoles beyond a handful of indie titles. So it’s about priorities.
@MonsterKat now I expect only 60fps now.
Vincent, the gaming industry is gonna come after you for making them look bad. Lol
Heads up, trashy fanboy here LOL
Hi, I'm a trashy fanboi.
@FührêrFPöñê you got a cheek calling others fanboys when ur profile pic is literally some Xbox fanboy shit Lmao
When do they do themselves any favours? Abusive working conditions that involve sexual harassment & months of crunch if not longer. Then there's the sexism and racism that go along with it. Ubisoft is massively guilty and they just released 2 games that no one even question, it's all just consume, consume, consume.
@@mrcraggle I know there's hard working conditions but there's sexual harassment going on? Are the games you're referring to Watch Dogs Legion and Assassin's Creed Valhalla? Sorry, I just don't understand and Im wondering lol
SONY locked out lots features from PS5, VRR, storage expansion. it seems that it's a rush launch, let's how it goes
check sony FAQ blog .. these features will be supported in coming update
@@michaelarc2792 yeah, I know, don't get me wrong, I have launch edition PS5.Just have seen a lots people's units have issues, plus locked storage expansion option really shows some concern.
@@leewan2994 You can’t upgrade the storage using the slot for an SSD because there’s no SSDs that are fast enough to be able to run PS5 games. You can still use normal external storages, you just can’t play PS5 games on them
@@leewan2994 the ps4 launched with very limited features too. I'd day its quite normal. If you remember they only supported external hdd on ps4 in a later update.
Let’s see those CX and C9 settings 👍🏼
Yes! Going comment to see if Vincent has any feedback!
I have a PS5 hooked up to my LG CX and he’s right on that.
He is a calibrator. He does not publish settings.
That’s easy, everything in Auto except RGB, set it to Limited and your TV as well and HGIG ON although calibrate HDR with tone mapping OFF then turn ON HGIG and you’re done on PS5. But first calibrate your TV of course.
@@MrRaitzi I’m not talking about the settings you’re talking about just general settings like he did for the Xbox series x.
Is this the sinister reason why Sony TVs don't have HDMI 2.1? Huh???
I've been wondering if the PS5 is being held back to make the Sony TVs look almost as capable as other HDMI 2.1 TVs from other companies.
Yes they do. They have 2 TVs with HDMI 2.1. The popular x900H and the Z8H. Also in about 5 months they should also have an OLED TV with HDMI 2.1 too. Plus also another LED TV with HDMI 2.1.
“CZcams gig isn’t as lucrative as it seems”
The only thing you can trust if you want the full Hdmi 2.1 output are the new graphics cards. The consoles have rather big limitations.
Yeah, but even GPU's are to be suspected with first gen display-connector launches. There is a history to that. Nvidia also had limited-bandwidth issues with the first Displayport 1.3 graphics cards, so the consoles aren't the only offenders on the market.
@@edfort5704 There are no Hdmi 2.1 problems from the new gpus I heard of. Nevertheless Dp is at least still one generation ahead in terms of bandwith. So if you dont use a Tv with your Pc Dp is still the better choice.
My man Vince, up past midnight fighting injustice when everyone else is safely asleep in their beds. He is the hero we need.
Yes! thank God I didn't preorder
Hey Vincent, I'm pretty sure it's caped via software on their part. When asked why the PS5 doesn't support 8K out of the box, even though it's on the box, they said support is something in a later update, so whenever they release that update is when they'll likely uncap those lanes I figure. I mean technically they did something similar on the PS4 when HDR came out.
PS5 needs several updates. Right now, you are failing too much. But I have faith that they will solve it.
How fair is to put 8k on the box and then make customers wait for it ? Really !
@@sumitpatel8509 - Digital Foundry confirmed the HDMI cable that comes with PS5 is 48Gbps compliant. Vincent has alternative HDMI cables that can pass 48Gbps, I doubt he would only perform these tests with one cable.
The basic ps4 cant do true hdr.
@@sumitpatel8509 have you tested this yourself?
My guess would be due to the 12 bit signal, the future 8K support will be telling. If it's only 30P its a hardware limitation so they can sell you the Pro model with higher bandwidth support.
Hi Vincent, any news for HDMI bandwidth in ps5 slim?
I knew it was 32GB, and your right the chipset could probably be upgraded via firmware in the future, but I was surprised about it being 12bit instead of 8bit, no wonder PS4 games look great on PS5. Awesome find! 👍🏼
TBH, it is probably 10-bit with zeroed out last two least significant bits (LSBs). HDMI YCC422 packing can contain between 8 to 12bpc depending on what the encoder IP is configured to output. Many sink devices often report incorrect color depth when YCC422 is utilized because of this. This is probably why the LG TV incorrectly reports 8bpc. The PS5 uses HDR10 for games and that profile is defined for 10-bpc / 30-bpp. You can still be happy about seeing the 12-bit indication on the AVR, but it's not really 12 bit. :)
"This CZcams gig is not as lucrative as it seems" oh man Vincent I think I love you, you're the best
#Teohlogisms
😂😂😂
I was literally telling a youtuber this earlier this week about the max bandwidth on the PS5. I was getting alot of hate because of the supposed "misinformation" I was spreading around. Because Digital foundry said some things along the lines of the ps5 being hdmi 2.1 but never came out and said the cable that comes with the ps5 is hdmi 2.1. It really confused viewers to only attack people like me that are actually paying attention to what is said and do know about latest technologies with the consoles and 4k displays. Started out with just looking at the text on the hdmi cable and then testing the capabilities of each source and display being used. I'm glad Vincent has made this clear so that everyone can be brought up to speed on this topic being a bit toxic. Well Done Vinnie!
To be clear the ps5 is an hdmi 2.1 device. The 36 Gbps is still double what hdmi 2.0 can offer and I challenge anyone to tell the difference between a 4:2:2 4k120 hdr10 game image and an rgb/4:4:4 4k120 hdr 10 game image. Vincent never said it would actually look discernibly worse.
@@Keivz It should be full 4:4:4 like Series X. It's inexcusable. Stop the tantrum. Sony isn't paying you.
@@Keivz Are you talking about on a today's 10 bit display or 10bit vs 12bit?
@@nonyabusiness6084 I don’t have a horse in this race. I’ma pc gamer and I don’t have a ps5 or a PS4 for that matter. I’m just telling it like it is.
@@mobbman1 Not talking about 12 bit at all. On a 10 bit display today you will not be able to differentiate 4:2:2 from 4:4:4 hdr 10 (or hdr 8, or sdr) except with a test image. You can try it yourself if you have a pc with hdmi out support.
Any change to this 32gbps bandwidth cap in 2022?
I wouldn't worry. Sony already said that they will enable 8K signal support on the console via firmware update soon so basically it's not a hardware limitation but rather a software limitation for now.
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But why though? It makes absolutely zero sense to limit the bandwith of the HDMI port.
prob right but it does depend, for 8k at 30hz its 24.5 gbps bandwith, so 60hz is 49 gbps. so it does depend on what is meant by 8k.
@@TheRandomVaper Im wondering why myself but a similar thing happened with the X90H TV where it was only updated to support 4K 120 recently and they also said VRR will be enabled in a firmware update so it's anybody's guess, really.
Man, seriously, these consoles have been a shitshow. Everyone was freaking out about their TVs supporting HDMI2.1, and here come the consoles completely half assing support for it.
Go watch Digital Foundry’s video on Watch Dogs Legion. The RTX 2060 Super is way faster than the new consoles. This whole launch was just hype, mediocre game line up and no availability for a vast majority of people that are not CZcamsrs, reviewers or scalpers.
@@ZackSNetwork Dude we are not going to buy a PC, get over it
Well I just finished playing Astro's Playroom on my PS5, and it was amazing on my OLED. That's actually what counts at the end of the day.
@Killuminati Tilidie I mean pc is good and all but I aint paying £1500 for the rtx 3090, let alone the fact that the PC market is in a worser state then the console market atm. 3000 series has crumbled since the reveal of amd's stuff. They 3090 was promised "extreme" power when in fact it's literally 10% more power compared to the % they were boasting
@@generalsiege6536 No, the 3080 was advertised as the card for 4k gamers and it's equal to AMD in price/performance for regular games and beats AMD at raytracing and DLSS. PC gaming is still on top of everything else and gives us real 4K60 VRR in AC:Valhalla - a game that has dynamic 4K on both new systems, tearing on PS5 and technical problems on Series X.
QQ: Is it better to run the PS5 on LG OLED TVs in "PC Mode" or "Console Mode"? I noticed that in PC mode there is less overscan than with console mode but I wasn't able to disable overscan entirely, so it's necessary to "scale" the image slightly in the console menu.
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You need to change just scan from auto to on
@MonsterKat If I disable pixel shift there is still a slight overscan and I need to scale one "click" down.
In my opinion missing VRR is a big problem with ps5
Why? No games need it or the support yet.
Totally agree. Games like Vahalla which has screen tearing and frame drops on both systems. Worse on Series X. But with VRR tearing is completely gone and framerate is more stable on the Xbox because of VRR.
@@chiefmegadeth VRR is great no doubt about it. Thing is the majority of people game on a 60hz TV. Frame drops like this on the "more teraflops" hardware is just down right embarrassing. This is not just an Ubisoft problem. CoD also has problems.
@@alpha6games751 AC valhalla support vrr on xbox series x
@@chiefmegadeth no it doesnt remove tearing completely
Hdmi 2.05
@MonsterKat firmware issue maybe?
@@UltimateAlgorithm fact that its 48gb chip but capped at 32 leads me to believe a firmware update could fix it
This video needs to go viral.
99% of people that view it are either not gonna understand or not care. The colour is still gonna look amazing on PS5 regardless
LOL, this is Viral. Try and get it to the Masses! great Job Vincent. Same issue on the LG NanoCell Nano86 49' with the Series X and PS5 confirmed
Are you sure you understand the difference between 4:2:2 and 4:4:4?
@@MorrisseyMuse No the color with 4:2:2 looks much worse.
What game is there running 4k 120 is the main question? Most games are gonna be 4k 60 and we all know the 4k 120 was marketing bs. Neither console even reaches 4k at 60 fps on Valhalla or 4k 120 at even dirt 5,a racing game let alone 4k 120 UHD.
Could you do the same test on the sony x900h tv, please?
I'm very curious if the results will be the same, or are different.
Keep up the good work, your videos are great and most informative!
I don't have a way of seeing the 4/8 or 4/12 indicator on my x900h (as far as I know there's no way to see that directly from the tv itself, like there is on the cx) but my ps5 connected to my x900h displays the same information in the video settings...120hz has (YUV 422) right next to it.
Hopefully it's just a temporary thing?
Of course. He used denon to read the signal.
@@MrRaitzi Yeah, his Denon shows more video information than my Yamaha does. (Not surprised, Denon's a more premium brand) My Yamaha only shows the incoming/outgoing resolution, and the RGB color profile.
@@walksoflifesixnine did you change the hdmi port to optimized? That changed it for me.
it won't change anything, it's on the PS5 end
How can anyone dislike a Vincent Teoh video? What is wrong with people?
Fanboys getting cross about relevant information probably.
That's just Quantum and his 71 fake accounts.
Fanboys mate
I don't get it either. I'm going to get a ps5 and I will most likely love it. perhaps not for movies but for games. Just look at a game such as Demon's souls. Its a launch game and looks like a game that very well could have been released yrs into a consoles life.
But I like that Vincent points these things out as its annoying when Corporations take cheap shots like this but it is evident that it won't affect how games can and will play so I'm not really worried in that sense.
I´d say drunken missclicks, gotta happen at 50k views.
Less power
No VRR
32gb
Memory expansion
What next? I really hope sony sell bad they need fix things with the console and the services (ps now, retrocompatibility, ps plus)
Sony can cut corners because they have many gamers by the balls. People are paying 150% more for the system from resellers.
Worried about the wrong things
Ok so to understand for me, i have a C9.
The PS5 being locked at 32Gb/s means:
4k@120fps: yes
Using HDR10: yes
But won’t support Dolby vision while running at 4k@120fps.
I also have the XSX and the PS5 would only be for exclusives. But this is good to know in advance, to not expect to much.
Will you do a LG CX setup with PS5? The Xbox series X you did was massive help.
I hope he does
This had better be updated to at least 40 gbps with VRR support or I will not be a happy customer. :/
You probably won't even notice if they did or not update it
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Most console gamers aren't tech-minded so they won't notice & Sony won't care to upgrade.
Lets be honest: there will be like 3,5 games that can do 4k120hz. Most of them can't do 4k60, they upscale 1440p and still cap it to 60. So not a huge deal.
I feel like this is probably like everything with sony, It's coming in a future update. Because it's also supposed to output (upscaled probably) to 8k, but it probably can't do that limited to 32gbs
What a joke, I cant believe they even put 8k on the box. The next gen consoles barely do 4k60 native, let alone 4k120. The 8k claims are just hilarious.
@@mkvB58KING just to further ad to your sentiment, 95% of next-gen titles on sale right now are still not even rendering at native 4K, regardless of fps. They are still using the checkerboard upscaling found in the PS4 pro and Xbox series X, albeit from a higher base resolution.
@@pwd1134 temporal solution*, using data from previous frames to put fps at the top priority. :)
*8K* is for "video playback," *not actual games*
4K 60Hz 10-bit 4:4:4 only requires 20Gbps, no? So 32Gbps seems like quite enough bandwidth - especially considering next-gen 120Hz games on PS5 (and Xbox Series X) run at around 1440p @120Hz.
Even if the games are 1440@120Hz, the console upscales it to 4K@120Hz video output. 40Gbps bandwidth would allow for 10-bit 4:4:4 chroma for 4K@120Hz; 32Gbps bandwidth limits it to 12-bit 4:2:2 for 4K@120Hz.
Vincent you are a true hero and an inspiration to men everywhere. From this day forward 20th november shall be known as "Vincents day" in the UK. All in agreement say aye ✊
Can’t wait to see the Cx settings
This is good news for me. Now I dont feel that bad for missing every stock of PS5. No VRR at launch was a bummer as well.
Well what game would you be playing in 4K120 4:4:4 right now anyway? Sony has confirmed that this is software limited and not hardware limited. It will be updated when needed.
@@datguyLoA sony did not say shit, i really wish they did.
@@datguyLoA it's hilarious people getting butthurt over things they don't have. No TVs support it and no games have it either but apparently people are out here playing specs
@@datguyLoA DMC 5 doesn't even play at 4k120 this whole video seems pointless to me
No 40gbps, No VRR , No 1440p support n ps5 , on Xbox Series X yes to all the above.
Except games lol
@@borisov_dev - what games the 10 exclusives in 5 years.......games pass all the way.........
@@piensluc7444 dunno I don’t care about multiplayer stuff and 95% of what on Game Pass. I like single player big-budget games like God of War, The Last of Us, etc. And those are exclusive to Sony.
@@borisov_dev - not worth it except god of war....don(t care for a few exclusives a prefer gamepass all day long together with the switch i have enough for many years to play.....
@@piensluc7444 that’s good, I’m more concerned about time than money these days though, but I can see your point, of course
What I've read is that some countries in Europe got 'the wrong cable'...test another few cables...come back, and blow that rumour away if false.
Are you suggesting we should buy a few PS5s just to test the cables?
@@hdtvtest No sir. I am suggesting the testing of more cables, because the rumour is purely about the cable provided by Sony. Also, I do thank you for pronouncing the letter "H" correctly :)
Also, there is a setting within the PS5 for 'high performance' in the games/saves sub menu. This (apparently) changes the output signal for the games...worth a look.
Damn Vincent your just bringing bad news upon bad news my friend 🤦♂️ that said excellent job as always
I think this guy is working too hard, breaks are important my man
Come on... why can't they just meet the damn standard?! Always playing stupid games cheaping out or being lazy.
Exactly my thoughts. They shouldn't be allowed to advertise it as being a 120hz console if it doesn't meet the implied standards.
There will probably be a class action lawsuit that amounts to
They're saving money here because most games can't do 4k 120hz anyway, and those that do are not exactly meant to be pretty so they figure the players won't care about chroma sub sampling.
@@Zerobob26 Thats not what this is, it is 120Hz, its the colour that might not be as full as full as a 40Gb connection. As per digital foundry's results, we are seeing games gitting 120fps in certain games, this video is showing that it is currently not 10bit HDR but rather 8bit HDR
@@Erowens98 Why do we care Sony is saving pennies exactly? The silicon to output full HDMI 2.1 has to be trivial in cost in comparison to the rest of the unit.
Hey man according to MyGadgetsWorld, the problem is down to PS5 hdmi cable.
it is essentially a ps4 pro cable, if you want to make it run on full speed you will have to buy 3rd party hi-speed cable or simply use the xbox series x cable
Someone go test this.
We have tested using other HDMI 2.1-certified cables, and arrived at the same result of maximum 32Gbps bandwidth.
Not true, the cable is fine.
@@hdtvtest 32Gbps = HDMI 2.0b
Basically 2 years ago Sony promise to "update" the bandwidth of the port to its full 48 Gbps. Like Nintendo promised to update the only capable USB 3.0 port, which is still USB 2.0, 6 years later.
Did you test it or find a test?
Would be nice if channels like HDTVtest would update their tests this year!
@@buraksondurak4663 I don't have a PS5. But as far as I know, the bandwidth is still not the full 48 Gbps
Yes, they promise, but that promise is for ps5 pro 😂. Sony never made it clear that it was for the current ps5, it's a hardware limitation, like usb 2.0 to 3.0, Impossible to change it just using software.
Nearly 2023 and its still the issue. 422 at 120hz output.
HDMI 48gb/s Port is coming... For ps5 pro
Can we get an LG CX best settings for the PS5?!?!
This news of Sony fucking up is more important and I say that as someone buying a PS5.
Buy an Xbox lol
i bought both, they both need to get their act together
@@xGaLoSx no point in buying an Xbox when you have game pass just buy a PC in that case.
@@bashers31 I'm a PC gamer myself. Haven't bought a console since Xbox 360
I guess the full or increased bandwidth will arrive when they add VRR & 8K output support.
I hope man. Bummer...
March for VRR they've said
32gb/s bandwith or 40gb/s or the full 48gb/s what is the difference since the video says the PS5 is doing 32gb/s bandwith but it is STILL doing 4K, HDR, 120hz so why do you need 40gb/s or 48gb/s bandwith ?
@@RossMalagarie The story is more complex than that. If you have 4K 120, but also less color depth) 8bit vs 10/12 bit) and more compression (chroma subsampling 4:2:0 vs 4:2:2/4:4:4) you will lose picture Quality.
For full picture Quality you want 4K/120HZ/12bit/4:4:4= 48Gbit/s
So the PS5 outputting only 32Gbit/s means more compression and less color depth at 120Hz (Xbox Series X can handle 40 Gbit/s)
@@RossMalagarie did you miss the part about it not being able to do YCbCr 4:4:4 at 120 Hz? 32Gbps means the PS5 will have to downgrade colors in order to accommodante 4K120. You need 40Gbps for 4K120 4:4:4 10 bit.
The salty comments are coming down.
Look at them all! .....not a single one...lol
People know this isn't gonna make a bit of difference to viewing games at 120hz
Yeah, already see quite few people saying they don't care and that just cause its not in their console then that feature wont be needed -_-.
lol are you bravely venturing outside for a kicking after the DF video lol, remember what alex and john said xbx tears everywhere! xbx salty tears all over the place!!! XD!!! still ps5 is kicking the xbx asssss where it matters! and dont forget this can be updated like other features, we know from this vid that its capable and just capped.... where as good nxt gen games cant be patched or updated on xbx!! its a physical impossibilty bet on it... there are no tears from the sony camp friend lol especially even when the xbx ui is 1k... xbx fans seriously have nothing to boast and brag about im sorry
@@antwango the hdmi bandwidth cap is a hardware issue. This can't be fixed with an update, this is basically a 1.4 Displayport chipset with a HDMI connection. This is going to remain a 32gbps for another 7 years, the whole generation. It's fine though, because not everyone will have 4k 120hz tv, so right now it's only a problem for a few.
@@antwango Fool DF also said the series x is operating without all it's features enabled and it was essentially brute forcing games due to the development tools not being in the hands of developers as soon as the ps5's tools which arrived a year earlier. You are seeing what the series x can do without developers having the full tool kit being available to them for a new architecture that literally just released on PC this week. You are going to look damn stupid soon. Just like you fools did with assassin creed last gen with the ps4 pro outperformed the xbox one x only for the one x to recieve an update a destroy the ps4 pro.
This could be a software lock.
Which can be removed with a firmware cause. I know the ps5 has panasonic mn864739 hdmi chip.. Which is rated at 32 to 48gbs
Digital foundry has shown if you plug the PS5 in to an 8K TV even tho PS5 adverts 8k on its box it will not output 8K resolution you are stuck with just 4K resolutions . while the Series X does output 8K signal
8K on PS5 is coming via future firmware.
How has no one else noticed this yet? Nice work, Vince
I mean it's a brand new console, the only way to notice this is to look into the future lmfao
@@edismehmedali4666 tech reviewers and others in media got the ps5 weeks ago.
It's their job to find out info like this
@HDTVTEST Vincent, on the Q90T, the PS5 refuses to enable HDR when I enabled 3840x2160/120p in the settings and play a 120hz game like Dort 5 or CoD BOCW. Can you test 120hz gameplay on your Samsung Q90T and confirm this?
Is this a PS5 issue or a Q90T issue?
The PS5 does not support VRR yet and can't do 120hz yet. It will be in a patch, probably when the up the 2.1 port to 40GPBS
“Wow ps5 sucks!!” -people who only have a 1080p tv anyway
The non-HDMI 2.1 compliant Panasonic chip in the Denon AVR and the Panasonic chip in the PS5 play nice together. That's why FRL interoperability is not broken for the PS5 case. Furthermore, the FRL 8Gbps limitation is likely a HW limitation of the Panasonic chips.
Been subbed for quite a while and am happy to see this being shared on many entertainment and gaming channels and websites. Hopefully this will bring you more subscribers as you have many less than you should have for your level of knowledge. You are unmatched and I love your humour too.
In these last few weeks i've learned more about tv's with you than my whole life .
Thanks for the vídeos and keep up the good work 👍
I would be impressed if you could see the difference between 444 and 422 in a real world scenario. Unless looking at a subtle grey gradient.
Indeed. I feel like it matters even less with gaming. That being said, I wish Sony was more upfront about these specs.
A grey gradient has nothing to do with chroma subsampling. Bit depth would affect gradients with banding, totally different thing.
@@theoldpcgamer77 your right. Was thinking about the difference in bit depth. Better example would be coloured text to look for bleed? Still think 422 would be just fine tho. It will be very hard to detect. I doubt any of these consoles games will aim for 4k 120 etc. They will all use dynamic tech to keep solid 60 and there will be sacrifices in all areas. If it looks nice I don't really mind.
Dealer and colt gonna go crazy with this info if they find it.
As long as it's not Zalker. That fool would make a 2 min video to 15 mins repeating himself over and over before he gets to the meat of the info. Annoying as fuck and he comes up on my recommended because of dealer and colt.
LMFAO 🤣
I'll send it to both.
Hi, Vincent! I would like to know if the new PS5 Slim still only supports 32Gbps or if Sony finally supports the Full Bandwidth?
So if you get your hands on one please report.
I was looking forward to when you got your hands on a PS5! Thanks for the information, Vincent. Great video!
Here in North America the console launch a week ago and I was really like : am i the only one to seen this? I have both XBOX Series and the PS5 and this is day and night on my B9 when looking example at the name on the shirts in sports games when at 4:4:4 on the XBOX Seriex X vs PS5. Sony has to release a firmware update.
These next gen consoles dont seem to be living up to the next gen brand.
They never do people always fall for the hype because they are morons.
waiting on the p5 pro then ill hop on board ;)
@@ZackSNetwork umm no cause Sony has awesome exclusives that ppl want to play and 4k 60hz is a success. The average gamer doesn't care that much we buy it cause it's affordable, has great games that are fun. You buy this console for fun memories with friends and games not worrying about colour or dumb shit
@@tuff_trooper755 no one cares
Literally none of the games on Xbox series x or PlayStation 5 are next gen games especially PlayStation 5 cuz they're a bunch of f****** remakes remasters and there on other consoles
Well at least sony released a patch last night for the X900H to fix the 4k120hz.
So is the blurry text bug corrected now on 4k/120 HZ ??
@@Docan690 It should be according to Sony. I didn't notice any blur on my set playing on Series X after updating, but I don't have the keenest eye for these things. Probably best to wait for Vincent to talk about it in detail.
Awesome im actually grabbing that TV this week . How is it matched up with the series x because mine comes in December and decided to go with Sony over the Samsung
@@wozzielfc401 It still doesn’t support VRR for some reason so at the moment not all that well.
Didn’t find any info that Sony actually “solved” it, only that this issue “will be addressed in the future”
So, that famous PC mode is still useful on the ps5 only when games are 4K60hz tops? Or PC mode doesn't matter here? Because if 60hz is displaying 4.4.4 chroma, only PC mode can really make the difference for that even with ps5.
I've been wondering about this. Thanks for making this video and getting it out there. Hopefully sony update.
Thank you HDTV holiness 🤝
Come on, Sony.... 😕
Love the Puppet Master pic!
Sony was TOO BANKRUPT to afford decent Next Gen Hardware haha
Let the games games do the talking. Whats been the verdict so far?
@@FJTabb The hardware
Series X more future proof. Bye ps5 will be waiting for the pro version with some decent hdmi 2.1 features
@@SDGRTX1455 A future without games 😂😂😂
sony always cheats consumers. did u remember play 4k only on ps4pro? did u remember ps3 can support 1080p game?
That's not true they never said that. That always said the pro uses checkerboard.
yeah the ps3 played alot of games at 720p lmao
Wipeout Omega was 1080@60fps on PS3, so I am not sure what you are getting at.
Sony is notorious for lying. Especially about what their Playstations are capable of.
czcams.com/video/3lcmNu7dkqY/video.html
I wonder if they will ever fix it. Kinda ridiculous that we can't have 120/4k with hdr
Maybe Just in ps5 pro, but ps5 hdmi chipset can get up to 40gb+.
PlayStation 5 is more than capable of doing 4K 120 Hdr @ 10 Bit Ycc 422 or 420 no problem so Yes We can absolutely have 4K 120 Hdr on PlayStation 5 although it’s gonna be limited to Ycc 422 or 420 instead of full RGB
@@technologylord4017 I probably meant DV not hdr, we already have 4k 120 with hdr and vrr and sony even managed to add backlight dimming to the xr led tv's with vrr
why its shady, i dont think its an issue because 120hz games will just be multiplayer where colour accuracy isnt as important
CZcams needs to get its act together, the macroblocking in this video is insane.
What is macroblocking?
@@lisserkc6000 Its a compression artifact. If you look in this video you'll see loads of squares in the darker sections. (This is more noticeable at lower resolutions). Basically there aren't enough bits so it just puts chunks of the same color, which looks like blocks
@@Kainthereaper oh yeah i see it
All the uploader can do is to upload at at least 1440p(even if it is an upscale) and use a high bit rate.
I can't tell the max resolution he uploaded because I'm phone posting.
I can't wait until Vincent responds to quantum's latest video.
Oh wait, no one knows who quantum is.
You do
I started watching that Quantum video. I stopped after a few min. He spent his time complaining about this channel and not bringing any facts like we see here. Vincent is a way better source of info, and he has a very subtle sense of humour (like his closing comment in this one, which I don't know how many picked up on).
@@Chr15Payne Really only because of how quickly he got laughed off avsforum. He deleted his account recently. I watched a few of his videos. Fail after fail after fail, the guy just keeps on failing.
@HDTVTEST Vincent, on the Q80T, the PS5 refuses to enable HDR when I enabled 3840x2160/120p in the settings and play a 120hz game like CoD BOCW. Can you test 120hz gameplay on your Samsung Q80T/ Q90 and confirm this? THANK YOU
I could be mistaken, but this is probably due to the bandwidth bottleneck that is discussed in this video. Resolution, color depth, refresh rate, HDR, etc.. all these factors stack and multiply the amount of information needed to be passed.. So if you are only capable of passing 32gbps, you have to pick and choose which criteria you have enabled. There's another video here on the channel that speaks about this. Probably not the TV, but the Ps5 that's limiting you.
How the heck is it 8 bits and HDR at the same time? I thought HDR is 10 bits by definition. Besides, 32 Gbps can still do 4K/120Hz/HDR/4:2:2 at 10 bits.
Never in my lifetime did I think I'd experience Vincent saying the words "Devil May Cry" let alone use it in a video. A surprise to be sure but a welcome one.
It's becoming more and more apparent everytime that getting a tv just for HDMI 2.1 is not a good idea. Picture quality before everything else is how I feel.
Hardcore gamers would destroy you for that second sentence.
Dynamic HDR is supposed to make a huge difference over static HDR bit it depends on If it's done by a frame by frame basis or a scene by scene basis. Frame by frame is supposed to be incredible but you have to set an HDR value for 24 frames a second for a movie. Since HDR is just metadata it doesn't take up much bandwidth at all. There isn't a commercial display out yet that has the brightness or everything for HDMI 2.1. While small, things like QFT and QMS will make changes frame rates seem less so no drop outs to re-synch from say 60hz/120hz to 24hz when going from. Game to movie.
Thank you for your content. I wish there was more footage to show how VRR was presented by the PS5 and handled by the TV at widely varying frequencies. Dirt 5 would have been family friendly content and music can be turned off. Just a suggestion!
Quantum tv: left the chat..
💯LoL 🤣 Sony 🐎 fanboys
Quantum would never figure this stuff out and even if he did he wouldn't admit it because he's too busy making LG CX misinformation videos. The guy is a douche.
Curious to see what he says
That dude is a clown.
😆
So is the PS5 HDMI cable full HDMI 2.1?
or just good enough to support 36gbps? Same with xbox series x with 40? Or do they all do 48?... Know the consoles are capped, just asking about the wires, or can you switch hdmi cables and still have the same performance? May be a dumb question, but thats why we have you! Lol
Ps5 calibration with lg c9?
Sony, please allow us to force a 120hz signal. My TV has better pixel response times in that mode, better gamma tracking *and* it decreases input lag on 30-60fps games when vsync is enabled... Xbox can do it. My PC can do it. Why won't you allow us to do so :'(
Can this be solved via firware update? or we have to play games with less color accuracy for 7 years?
That's only true at 4K 120Hz though. It's still full 4:4:4 at 60Hz or below 4k at 120Hz.
Get an Xbox. It'll give you BILLIONS of more colors@120fps
@@JudeDefensor They marketed 4k120hz as the main selling point. So the Ps5 should be able to output 4k120hz at 4:4:4 10 bit at least. But it was a lie even if they would not limit to 32gb, because the new consoles are not powerfull enough for 4k120hz in modern games.
@@geiers6013 I guess they think they could get away with it by saying that they were marketing 4K OR 120Hz and not 4K AND 120 Hz :). Neither console still has any games that do native 4K and 120Hz at the same time yet though. So until one comes out, the spec is still a bit moot.
Considering Sony’s 2020 LED X900H was released with HDMI 2.0 and later had a firmware to update to HDMI 2.1, I think it would be safe to assume that there will be a proper firmware update when the time comes, which will be at least three or more years from now, that is when 4k 120hz TVs and games are mainstream.
the thing is you're not explaining what the difference would be in terms of color accuracy/depth ?
He's basically saying the PS5 has a smaller pipe to push data through. HDMI 2.1 maxes out at 48GB, allowing for full uncompressed colour data and audio at 4k 120. Having less bandwidth means data must be either compressed or reduced to fit the 32GB for the PS5, and 40GB for the XboxSX.
Below is a link to a full explanation of 4.4.4, so you can understand why it's always mentioned Terence. I PC Game on a C9 Oled using 4.2.2 10bit 4K@60 and it's stunning, so I doubt 99% of people will ever notice or care:
www.rtings.com/tv/learn/chroma-subsampling
@@yorkipudd1728 What GPU are you using?
Just Google "chroma subsampling"; PC GAMING discusses this since it's an issue with Displayport bandwidth to 4K monitors. In a lot of video it's not obvious (4:2:2 vs 4:4:4) but in some video it affects the quality in obvious ways. It can also make some things like TEXT occasionally look horrible. In general it's hard to tell the difference. But sometimes it's obviously worse to have only 4:2:2.
@@SuperMan3111 2070Super unfortunately. Like a muppet I upgraded to play Cyberpunk.....a week before the delay! lol It'll be fine for Night City @ 1440 with DLSS 2.0 me thinks.
@@yorkipudd1728 I have 2070 super alienware.
Planning to buy lg cx 65".
Do you think it will be able to keep up with 4k output at decent fps?
Thank you for this video. I was searching everywhere
FYI: 32Gbps is enough for 4K@120 + Dolby Vision!
LOL
@VINCENT You can force 120FPS at the system level, it just that it's not called "120fps" in the menu . To do it you go to Settings', navigate to the 'Save Data and Game/App Settings' option. Within 'Game Presets' you'll see all the various options, the second in the list is the ability to choose between 'Performance Mode', 'Resolution Mode' or 'Game Default'. Select 'Performance Mode' and you have 4k120 all the time. The PS5 will force that performance on games that support it, you won't have to change it in the games menu anymore
Doesn't that force a 1080p@120hz output rather than 4K?
No next-gen game on PS5 runs at native 4K 120Hz. Those 120Hz games are running at around 1440p and being upscaled to 2160p.
Thanks for the info @Krynale!
Vincent have you had a look at the Blu-ray player yet....????
From what I've noticed it doesn't have Dolby Vision, but it does support Atmos and DTS:X if you change the option from PCM to Bitstream in the Blu-ray player settings. It's kind of a bare minimum 4K Blu-ray player. I'd only use it if you don't care about Dolby Vision. But honestly, if you already spent the money on an OLED TV and you're planning on collecting 4K Blurays you really should just get a better player.
@@TheLingo56 Yeah I saw this too. Seems Sony took a cheap shot on this just as MS did.
which is weird Sony even masters their own 4k blu-ray release with Dolby Vision.
If one don't want to spend to much money in order to get dolby vision support on stand alone blu-ray player? What shall I look for ? And tips?
Both the SX and PS5 are serious let downs as UHD players. Really disappointed in the lack of DV support, I was hoping to not need a separate box to play UHD’s but both Sony and MS have obviously cut costs as much as possible and it shows in the UHD support.
@@rare6499 Some ppl say they both support it on the netflix app or that it will come? Is DV working different on software such as netflix over physical media?
@@rainbowthrustars Yep, Dolby Vision is supported through apps like Netflix, but not on the Blu ray Player at this time. Hopefully they add Dolby vision to the Blu ray player app in the future.
32Gbps is Displayport 1.4 bandwidth... interesting O.ó
Could it be that Sony f***ed up and bought the same Compressed HDMI 2.1 chipsets that Denon/Marantz/Yamaha used in their 2020 AVRs? The Compressed HDMI 2.1 chipsets from Panasonic Solutions/Nuvoton? Nvidia RTX 3000 series cards/Xbox Series X/LG OLEDs all seem to use Uncompressed HDMI 2.1 chipsets.
When I run my RTX 3080 directly through the LG C9 i can get 4K 120hz 4:4:4 Full 12-bit + HDR + G-sync no problem. If i run the RTX 3080 directly through the Denon AVR-X2700H (2020 receiver), when i try to run 4K 120hz, 4:4:4, Full 12-bit (or even 10-bit) + HDR the screen will often go black and lose signal. However, if i run it at 4K 120hz, 4:4:4, 8-bit Limited, the picture is stable without G-sync. However turning G-sync on will result in black screen and loss of signal even when running at 8-bit.
Wow, that's incredibly interesting. I had no idea. Hmm, I bet you you're right.
@MonsterKat No, it's a 32Gbps chip. No need to lie, It'll be ok.
The X2700H's HDMI board version is 2.1. There are currently no sources on the market that output 48 gbps.
Nvidia 3000 series are full 48Gbps.
Both consoles target 4k @ 60fps that all, no 4k @ 120fps on next generation high demanding games never happened
Even high end PC with Nvidia GPU Ampere architecture struggle running all technologies together at 4k @ 60fps
The sweet spot will be 1080P @ 120fps with Ray Tracing ON
We still have long way to mastered 4k resolution with all technologies together with high FPS without using upscaling methods, maybe 5-10 years from now
8k gaming pointless for the next 10-15 years with high FPS and all technologies together without upscaling methods
meanwhile people are paying 2 grand on ebay for handicapped hdmi 2.1 😂
if you are using LG CX TVs, there a fix according to a forum, I don't have a LG tv so those have might wanna try and reply if it works
forums.hardwarezone.com.sg/130944543-post3125.html
Brilliant find! Cheers.
Relevant bit here: The LG TV will change all the inputs to output your content as 4:2:2 chroma subsampling. Even using Game Mode won't help. The only way to get full 4:4:4 chroma is to change your PS5's input to 'PC' in the Input Settings on your LG TV. And then use Game Mode in that 'PC input' of cos; because there's no ALLM on the PS5.
This is very important if you want to fully utilize the full 4:4:4 chroma. Both RGB and YUV444 outputs the full 4:4:4 chroma. This means that every single pixel will get its own colour information.
32gbps or not, the ps5 has something to play with.
Yes, an argument 2 weeks in compared to the lifespan of the console. Which do you think matters most?!??
Come back to this in a year.
@@user-fm8xs3hr3w Cry more, I gave my opinion without disrespect.
If it's not caused by a cable which came with the ps5, it might be fixed in an update that will enable 8k video support for ps5.
or you got scammed. at least xbox do what they did
So, this is the original video everyone on the internet got their info from. Great work, guys! 🤘🤘🤘
Maybe it's caused by this ps5's cable after all? It's labelled as high speed cable, not an ultra high speed which is necessary for 48 gb/s bandwith.
The cable is 2.1
@MonsterKat it is the cable, use a different one and you get the full 48 gbps
@@longlostcoder6322 don't lie
@@Vegitobluuuuu no. PS5 = HDMI 2.0b
@@LouSassol69er why would I lie.
Vincent. This has (unofficially, but reliably) been confirmed to be updated in a future patch.
So that means it's just a rumour.
@@wozzielfc401 No. it’s from someone with first hand knowledge of the subject within Sony. The hardware is compliant and an update is in the works (on multiple features).
Much like the OG PS4’s had HDR added in a software update 3yrs after launch.
@@jaglemans6778 and external drive support 4 years after release
@@jaglemans6778 Can't update an HDMI Port that's capped to 32Gbps.
@@nonyabusiness6084 Ports are metal. You can update the chip, though, and that’s what’s being discussed.
Thanks for your work, Vincent! I wonder if this limitation has something to do with mitigating the 900h hdmi 2.1 issues or at least related to it. It seems like Sony is having trouble delivering enough data for 4K@120hz and high quality audio to that TV due to a "bug." I hope you have a chance to play around with the 900h and a PS5 since a lot of us have purchased it based off Sony's marketing.
Thanks for the quality video! I have a Samsung Q90r, which although is HDMI 2.0b at 24gb supports 120hz at 4k. Now the Series X runs through this TV 4K 120hz no problem. Most I can get out of the PS5 is 4K 60hz. Is this likely a Sony issue or a Samsung issue? Keep up the amazing content!
Its a Sony issue.
@@richto1000 thanks for the reply, great, at least there is a good chance of it getting sorted! Samsung are awful.
We are so lucky to have your keen, scientific mind doing the work for us, Vincent!
(Lucky for us you chose this field of work and we didn’t lose you to stripping, stunt work, international espionage or a rap career)