The "Worst" Gen 3 Starter Pokemon.
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- Pokemon Competitive Singles in Generation 3 has a long history. Among the first Pokemon players can encounter are the Starters, and Gen 3 has some of the best Competitive starters to offer.
Swampert is a staple of Competitive play, and Blaziken is a solid niche Mixed Attacker. The worst of the 3 would be Sceptile, but even this Grass type Starter has it's unique value to offer on certain teams.
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insane this is
what happened to the old ending music
Jim I hate to be that guy but leaf blade is only 70 base power
Woops
@@jimothycool Woops Wednesday
Still better that hidden power cuz of the crit chance
@@nerdbrain396
And you can run another HP alongside it.
@@jimothycoolneeds a special boosting move fr let the lizard calm its mind or plost nefarious deeds
The fridge of OU viability
The fridge of OU viability
It's super effective on the opposing Sceptile!
The fridge of OU viability
You didn't factor in the hidden Blaziken debuff, that causes it to choke every other game
Jimothy Cool is uploading more high quality scripted content on his main channel folks, this is insane.
It's really good but it barely misses out on KOs. Which is exactly what a fast offensive Pokémon wants
Unless you're in Gen 9 where late game cleaners just casually wallbreak for themselves
Nice try Jim, we all know Blaziken is the worst pokemon of all time, never accomplishing anything.
It was really something when SO many people took it to ADV Revival and just kept doing fucking nothing. And the one time it did something the rest of the team flopped anyways
Wouldnt psychic wreck blaziken
@@BoomBoom-ym5oy theoretically. It depends on the pokemon using it.
Made history as the first starter banned to Ubers
Poor Sceptile. It's my favorite Pokemon of all time but it's really hurt by having its offensive stats split between physical and special. If it was dedicated to one or the other it could have worked a lot better (though for gen 3 specifically it probably wouldn't work as a physical attacker). It just doesn't hit hard enough on either side because of that. It seems like Game Freak learned how to better optimize fast offensive starters in the future generations. Sceptile walked so Greninja, Cinderace, and Meowscarada could run (very fast)
it's not really about stats... Sceptile has 85 atk 105SpA and 120 Speed... Greninja has only 103 spA but 123 SPeed and 95 Atk. They have basically the same stat spread but why greninja is better? because of better movepool and abilities. Same with Meowscarada. Sceptile has good enough stats, but shallow movepool.
@@GapiszMiSieNaBebech and don't forget typing, plus that those extra points in speed really do help against similar stated pokémon.
@@GapiszMiSieNaBebech And dual STAB helps a lot too patching up Greninja's otherwise mediocre offense. What Greninja, Cinderace, and Meowscarada also have in common is high BP moves with little to no drawback where Sceptile is left having to rely on Leaf Storm and Focus Blast which are not nearly as consistent as the others' options.
@@GapiszMiSieNaBebechSceptile got redeemed with Shed Tail
@@GoldGuard Protean also helps.
Sceptile needs Sharpness four gens ago. Seeing it slowly and painfully drop in viability sucks a lot, especially since the other members of the trio have been living it big in higher tiers with semi-frequent buffs. To throw salt on the wound, Sceptile had by far the worst Mega out of the three, with Blaziken having a busted Mega no matter what thanks to HA Speed Boost and Swampert being an almost must-run on rain teams with Swift Swim.
Give Sceptile Sharpness over Unburden (Unburden is a good ability, but Sceptile really needs immediate power over Speed and Game Freak isn't giving a starter three abilities unless they are the anime protagonist's favorite), and swap its Attack and Sp. Atk. Game Freak has already shown they can nerf stats between generations - sometimes _during_ a generation - and can clearly buff stats as well, so why not give +20 to its Attack and -20 to its Sp. Atk? 105 Attack, 120 Speed, access to DD, and now once again being the strongest user of Leaf Blade (it would just barely always beat out Kartana in raw damage) would give it _some_ niche in the higher tiers.
I know this is a Gen 3 focused video, but they can't exactly buff the Sceptile here, so...
Leafblade is only 70 BP, not 80, which is likely not helping it much.
I wonder if the extra 10BP would fix many of the "oops, doesn't quite one-shot" issues lol.
My Mistake.
@@Pyroniusburnwhen they buffed leaf blade they also made is physical why does gamefreak hate sceptile
@@jimothycool Jimmy doesn't make mistakes, just happy little accidents.
@@Pyroniusburnif leaf blade was 90bp like in Gen 4 but stayed special I think Sceptile would easily be top tier mon because it'll hit those 1 shot rolls and nothing else in the game gets that attack
Sounds like Sceptile would've loved for Life Orb or Choice Specs to be added one generation earlier.
I look forward to the day when we have our Sceptile Renaissance
Sceptile (re)Surgence. Sceptile Surge if you will.
It will (hopefully) be available in Z-A and get it's mega back.
Don't let mcmeghan be the only one trying. The more of us that try to make it work, the faster someone will find out what does!
Jimothy Cool is an Australian Pokémon CZcamsr know for his content on competitive Pokémon gaming with a focus on the Smogon ADV OU format
the ending music is much better now!
i appreciate it!
Sceptile ironically became bad after the physical special split after losing thunder punch it was all down hill
Sceptile is also the worst starter to used during its generation besides meganium because of a very shallow level up moves compared the two starters blaziken and swampert has access to high bp moves even fking meganium in its generation can learn solar beam late game what does sceptile learn in late game? The holy slam miss and false swipe lol what was gamefreak thinking at that time
It lost Crunch too
Damn you, tricking me into watching a video on gen 3 by calling my darling boy the "worst" gen 3 starter
“Competitively” which unfortunately is true
see the cool thing about sceptile is that when i run sceptile i just run modest sceptile to actually get the OHKO against starmie and salamence, that DOES mean you cant quite outspeed mons like gengar and starmie but only if they run a plus speed nature with max investment which is really rare since they like to run p balanced EV spreads
Who remembers seeing Blaziken's beta stats and seeing it had 95 Speed
💀
It’s still a crime that Sceptiles Attack and Special Attack were never swapped
From the design to its signature move it feels like a physical attacker. But they had to go with special, because no special split. Only to do the split the very next gen and completely fucking sceptile over in the process.
@@RyumaXtheXKing although it’s one of the losers of the physical/special split, it managed to persevere. Bannette tho…
It's an even bigger crime when you realize Leaf Blade is actually used well by other grass types and both Blaze Kick and Muddy Water is pretty much non-existent among others unless there's no choice.
It really is
It leans more towards being special attacking but the movepool is nonexistent (no set-up like Nasty Plot, and no coverage outside of Focus Miss and Dragon Pulse), and vice-versa
Meowscarada is basically Sceptile done right, even Greninja has a higher Atk it used to use just for Gunk Shot (before the Protean nerf and access to Sludge Wave)
This trio has been one of the best starter trios in competetive, swampert does swampert stuff and wad OU ranked twice, Blaziken with Speed Boost was so broken it got banned from OU 3 times and even though sceptile is the worst out of the 3, its unburden + SD sets are deadly in lower tiers and it got banned from PU in gen 8, i haven’t even talked about the megas
If Sceptile were grass rock it'd be mini Aerodactyl. That'd be awesome
If it was rock dark and psuedo it would be ttar
Why Rock tho? There aren’t any traits, moves or dex entires that hint at Sceptile being Rock type. Fighting and Dragon would make more sense as Sceptile does learn a good amount of Dragon moves and learns a ton of Fighting type moves (especially having a few dex entires that acknowledge it’s fighting prowess)
@@awesomeraichu59342Fighting would make it overlap with Blaziken tho
Sceptile didnt hit hard enough. The end.
Interesting sets! Always tough to run a mon when you have to create the whole team to support it, but it certainly can throw people off!
Best starter trio IMO
Tied with Sinnoh starters, in my opinion. Great designs overall.
Just barely ahead of gen 6 trio. Both trios are peak
@@Amadeusnight13torterra and empoleon fall behind light years behind infernape imo
I like both of them more than infernape lol @@requiem550
@@requiem550 torterra yes hes a bit behind but empoleon ( especially competitively ) honestly has a very slightly better track record than infernape
Excellent video
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DUDE you did the thing with this one's thumbnail as well where Sceptile is from a different art source. This is insane.
The outro music is just so good
thanks, i appreciate the kind words!
@@cryptooooooooo are you the artist?? 10/10, amazing piece
@@foreversevenfold1666 haha it's just a cheesy smooth jazz rendition of the verdanturf theme that i made, but that's very kind
Sounds like sceptile just needed choice specs in gen 3 ou to be extremely viable.
or Life Orb
ive been working towards making battle frontier teams on my copy of emerald but i cant trade and while i know swampert is a top tier i really wanted to try Sceptile as my starter and run a subseed set unfortunately the only way to get leech seed is via egg move from Bulbasaur which would require trading i could probably run subseed Meganium as it can breed with brelloom but i was considering running a Feraligatr set to make up for the lack of swampert
Good video
New ADV Revival tourney!? This is insane.
Where can I find the paste for that Arcanine Sceptile team?
I love Sceptile, but personally I feel GF should have made him a physical attacker. He barely has any special moves to work with as opposed to the many physical moves he has.
Blame the special-physical split for that. Many moves in its learnset were special in Gen 3
does anyone know where i can find the hclat team?
Sceptile should’ve been a physical attacker and replace Unburden with Sharpness.
"Fake Gameplay won the game" killed me.
Can't wait for Sceptile Scunday
Poor Sceptile being treated like there's no physical - special split ... Like could they just give him Quiver Dance and any sort or special coverage, my lizard is starving since Gen 3
It deserves a better special movepool than Energy Ball, Dragon Pulse that only hits one type super-effectively, Focus Miss, and Hidden Power or some other obscure move.
@@HimekoIzayoi In my ideal world Sceptile could run Unburden with whatever resist Berry I saw fit, and then have Quiver, Energy Ball, ThunderBolt and Ancient Power. Hits for supereffective 4 of 5 weakness, has a STAB move, and could easily become a great sweeper... but unfortunately that's not the world we live in so it's best grass move is leaf blade
@@tiagoferreira234Earth Power too
I wonder if being so close to potential OHKOs might make Expert Belt actually viable as an item for Sceptile
imagine a world where sceptile has +5 special attack
Still bad in modern games
it's not really about stats. It's about sceptile lack of special moves. Sceptile has great physical moves and shallow special movepool... and 85 atk. Sceptile should be physical attacker
Tbh it would've been totally fair if Sceptile was a Dragon Type in Gen 3. But the 4x Ice Weakness would be pretty nasty.
I been using endure salac berry reversal blaziken lately
It can't always work with sand up etc but when it does, whooooowee
Also is there a paste of the sets hclat used for the team at 6:35 ? Looks like a very fun team
Sceptile always has the short end of the stick. Its movepool never match its stats somehow. Good physical moves but bad physical stats, shallow special moves but good special stat
At least it was somewhat usable in gen 3
is that damage calculated without a choice band or with one?
Well, CB wouldn't really help because those were all special moves. It wasn't until gen 4 that thunderpunch and leafblade became physical
Honestly, the spore/cotton balls on its back always made me think it should be capable of learning spore or powder moves. Although I could see how that would be busted.
Pursuit blade leech sub Sceptile kind of nice
The starter pokemon trio in gen 3 are all actually quite viable in competitive
Would gaining the Electric Type save Sceptile in Gen 3?
Sceptile becoming part Electric would mean that it would be the only one (aside from Zapdos) to not take supereffective damage from Ground Type moves. From the standpoint of an Electric Type, the opponents will also not be able to switch in a Ground Type to nullify STAB Thunderpunch since there is the threat of a STAB Leaf Blade.
Blaziken on its way to get banned for multiple gens in a row
What was the song used around 3:20
that's Verdanturf Town.
Im so sad one of the top comments isnt the comments directly quoting the cold open
If you would like to see Sceptile excel, Season 1 of the Generation Jumble!
A small format where we take new Pokemon, and place them into Gen1 on GroundBacks youtube channel.
Needless to say, Sceptile with an Auto-Crit Leaf Blade did amazingly! Zapdos, Moltres and Metagross all stopped it being Number1 though!
One day my boy will get nasty plot 🙏
Have you tried making meganium work, as in, meganium monday?
I’ve used it with decent success as a celebei #2
Jimfluxation of sceptile on ladder incoming
i like using scope lens sceptile
People need to start abusing focus energy, scope lens, and other crit things in conjunction with swords dance to break walls
You could also mention that sceptile is an absolute GOAT in the ADV 1v1 format!
yo what happened to all the starters in gen 9? did they all fall off hard or something
Dirge is UU but still very viable in both ubers and OU. Meow is OU and still very good. The duck was never good in OU but is solid in UU.
If you meant the gen 3 starters, sceptile and swampert are completely powercrept out of the higher tiers, blaziken is a viable in OU thanks to speed boost but not too common, banned from UU
@@dm9910 yeah i ment gen 3
@@chilitofu3512Blaziken has finally fallen from Ubers to UUBL since Gen 8.
Swampert has fallen to mother fucking NU alongside other unbelievable NU mons like Gyarados, Infernape, Mew, Magnezone, Krookodile, Chandelure, and Suicune, just to name a few, and it was OU the gen before. Probably the result of bulky pokémon losing both Toxic and Scald.
And Sceptile is probably PU by now, if not ZU/Untired.
Gen 9 Power Creep is a cancer that is killing competitive Pokémon, that and GF oftentimes don’t give a shit about older pokémon.
If only
If only if only if only
If only they'd made sceptile a dragon type from the beginning.
It always had dragon claw.
IT ALWAYS HAD DRAGON CLAW!
Why not using substitute over and over and then using ivergrow boost to give leaf blade the buff it needs?
You can do that but it does cost Most of your health
Gimmiky stuff
Is it just me who got really thrown off when the Verdanturf theme started playing in the middle of the video.
If you want to lose, run Blaziken or Sceptile.
2:10 Nice😏
I suppose Sceptile's attack is too low to use Quick Attack effectively.
I've used petaya before. It can actually make a late game sweep possible. Prrtty fun to play.
All three of the Hoenn starters are pretty cool
Jim, Leaf Blade is 70 BP in Gen 3
Sceptile sundays
The starter Pokemon Trio of Gen 3 are all actually quite viable in competetive.
Swampert is by far the best.
And is a top tier defensive pokemon in Gen 3 OU.
@@_DenI think only blazikin has been banned to Ubers so I would say you might be wrong
Sceptile can be 1# in the ladder dont understimate my boy
I went my whole life thinking sceptile was a physical attacker …
They basically did with his later generation movepool being all physical
to be honest i thought this video was a jimmothy gaming vid lol
This is jimothytainment
Classic Jim
Speptile is cool :)
I personally like SubSeed Sceptile
Video starter video
Why is sceptile a special attacker bruh
I hit 1500 with Sceptile Espeon Raikuou
Endeavor, substitute, HP fire, and Giga drain with Petaya berry
nice. I used something similar for the 3 BL's challenge, Sceptile + Espeon + Registeel
gamefreak when designing sceptile:
let's give it a lot higher special attack but almost no special moves, while having a lot of physical attacks, but make it lower than it's special attack! let's also not give it any boosting moves whatsoever
If only they would give the boy Quiver Dance or something like that
At the time of release all the leaf blades and crunch were special sadly with gen 4 it got flipped
@@goldbanker2777 Yeah but Gen 4 came and they forgot they had to adjust Sceptile to the new split. They done forgot the lizard existed
@@goldbanker2777Thunder Punch was also special back then
@@tiagoferreira234 Yeah gamefreak really does not care to much about old gen mons if they are not obtainable in the next gen base games.
Mr Jimothy Cool has once again uploaded a new video right after I've finished my dinner. This is absurd. I have reason to believe that mr jimmy chill is conspiring against me, specifically. I will be in contact with my people, and retribution will arrive
Sceptile = bad. Burn it and use shuckle instead
hi
gen 3 has the best set of starters by far
But Blaziken accomplishes nothing!
What's up with GF giving grass starters poor moves? Meganium, Septile, Serperior
At least Serperior got Contrary and becomes more viable. Though I like to see if it learns Draco Meteor or other coverage Special & Physical move.
@@jaretco6423 yeah but I was just referring to movesets. All Serperior gets is Leaf Storm, Giga Drain, Glare, Dragon Pulse, Leech Seed, Synthesis, and HP/Tera Blast
@epicraptorman Yeah. I would like to see get more.
@@jaretco6423 I mean it's already consistently better than Sceptile, Mega Sceptile, or Meganium.
I think it's fine. Maybe give it Draco Meteor like you suggested
to be honest, sceptile has a way better track record than blaziken, you all have seen it
Only in Gens 3 and arguably 4, but after that, Blaziken has the much better track record than Sceptile does.
i was talking about gen 3 with that comment
Ah yet another blaziken video
Actually blaziken is the worst pokemon in the game so sceptile must be better
blaziken sucks, sceptile is better in gen 3, by far
19 views in 1 minute? Droppin’ off man smh 🤦♂️
You didn't mispronounce sceptile, fake jimothy impersonator
Cant wait for sceptile September
Earrlly
Jimothy, as a a fellow tyranitar lover, would you give this team a try that I made for gen 9 OU?
Tyranitar @ Leftovers
Ability: Sand Stream
Tera Type: Ghost
EVs: 224 HP / 136 Def / 148 SpD
Careful Nature
- Stone Edge
- Protect
- Crunch
- Dragon Tail
Clodsire @ Leftovers
Ability: Water Absorb
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Grass
EVs: 236 HP / 12 Atk / 92 Def / 168 SpD
Sassy Nature
- Curse
- Protect
- Toxic
- Earthquake
Skarmory @ Leftovers
Ability: Sturdy
Tera Type: Flying
EVs: 148 HP / 252 Def / 108 Spe
Impish Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Body Press
- Roost
- Spikes
- Iron Defense
Great Tusk @ Leftovers
Ability: Protosynthesis
Tera Type: Fighting
EVs: 108 HP / 100 Atk / 48 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Rapid Spin
- Ice Spinner
- Close Combat
- Earthquake
Gholdengo @ Air Balloon
Ability: Good as Gold
Shiny: Yes
Tera Type: Fairy
EVs: 112 HP / 24 Def / 120 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Shadow Ball
- Dazzling Gleam
- Make It Rain
- Recover
Scizor @ Figy Berry
Ability: Technician
Tera Type: Steel
EVs: 84 HP / 68 Atk / 104 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Bullet Punch
- Dual Wingbeat
- Thief
- U-turn
If it had dragon typing, would that really benefit it that much? It still doesnt beat skarm, celebi, venusaur or zapdos.
Lol dude giving it a dragon typing means giving it access to the nuke "draco meteor"
Which gives you a strong stab again bug,poison,fire,flying,grass
Basically everything resisted by grass
and
a specs stab draco meteor from sceptile does 78% to defensive zapdos
So rethink sceptile never will drop below RU if dragon typing
@@vasimbelim there was no draco meteor in gen 3
@@anusthing so only gen 3 exists?
Sceptile = bad. Burn it and use shuckle instead