TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Introduction 2:01 - Michael Levin's question to Mark: "What is the meaning of life?" 10:40 - Levin's Lab & Work 14:55 - The Golden Age of Consciousness Studies (Friston, Fields, Levin, Solms, Watson etc) 24:44 - Dreaming vs REM Sleep 27:37 - New Study on Why We Dream 35:15 - Homeostasis & Uncertainty 44:18 - Dreams & The Hard Problem of Consciousness 58:58 - What did Sigmund Freud do right? 1:04:15 - Defining features of Affect: Valence, Qualia & Action 1:10:35 - The Knowledge Argument 1:16:22 - Thomas Nagel believes Mark is on to something! 1:23:52 - The Felt Uncertainty Theory 1:29:09 - New work on Artificial Consciousness 1:34:55 - Conclusion THANKS FOR WATCHING! If you enjoyed the content, please like this video, subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications for future updates. :)
That recognition of Mike's ability to bring such a diverse group of scientists and find connections between them is awesome, thank you both Mark, and Tevin, for sharing your time and work, really like Mark's clarity of thought, as he addresses the subjects you are discussing, peace
Interesting presentation of the “seeking” homeostat. For several years I took the train into Grand Central Station and then walked to NYU Medical Center to work. That’s 5 avenues and 12 blocks and ~60 possible intersections to navigate. I found myself, depending on the lights and traffic, exploring every possible path. But the payoff was when I was late leaving work, regardless of traffic or lights, I could get back to grand central in the least time to still make the train. REM sleep enables you to consoidate the memory of those experiences. Dreaming enables you to play them back to reinforce which ones are best under different circumstances. Vivid dream are a perfect example of that- they don’t create new memories as much as reinforce the most important / useful ones. The difference between a normal and a vivid dream is conscious awareness - but also with consciousness comes memory. You can remember vivid dreams the next morning, but not “ordinary” dreams unless you awaken immediately after the dream and make an effort to remember it. Normal dreams entail working memory but working memory can only be consolidated (remembered) if you are conscious, which is also facilitated by attention. .
Aaaand another great conversation, thank you. 58:50 "Psychology without the psyche ... The mistake there is to adjust the subject to the methods available" ... beautifully said.
This is the reason to explore the id. Without delving into the id, consciousness is not possible. And "bliss" is not consciousness. It was Freud who gave us the id - his greatest contribution, to my thinking.
you can't have illusory feelings but you also can't have feelings without perception...thus you can have feelings based on 'illusory' perception like e.g. phantom pain ;)
@@drtevinnaidu even if I 'just feel hungry', the underlying 'mechanics' are a matter or perception: our stomach is contracting, producing certain hormones and our brain is perceiving those biochemical signals as a call to eat something.
@LakshmiSharma-rd5ws well, the brain develops in the sixth week of pregnancy and I'm pretty sure that the neurons which tell us that we are hungry are among the first ones to become active. and even if your brain is damaged, the damage is regional (otherwise you wouldn't survive), meaning that the regions in the hypothalamus which regulate hunger are still active. but I agree with you that consciousness doesn't need a brain, the brain is just a specific 'tool' for humans to access consciousness while e.g. plants have their own complex sensory systems to tap into consciousness.
34:16 Speaking of sleep, when young, sleeping, and having prolific dreams is typical. As I began to age at 55+, sleep began to be problematic, and so was dreaming. This was about the time I began using coconut oil in morning coffee and eating one meal/day. (Mostly) I've recently revised my diet, reading that seniors need as much daily protein (1gram protein/pound of body weight) Now at 5'9.5" 135 lbs I use 100 grams of whey protein, plus meat or eggs or salads. Guess what 😮 I'm sleeping 8 - 9 hrs/night & dreaming every night. Honestly, I am flabbergasted 😂😅😮
Conceptualization of affect in context is not affect itself. If conceptualization of affect for humans begins in relationship with caregivers who are guessing at how to address infant negative affect, how does reality jump from there to specific qualia of affect? People "misread" the biological basis of their affect all the time...hunger for fatigue, etc.
I certainly can't argue with that, but overfitting is a perennial problem that sits at the heart of much of our misunderstanding, especially in modernity, where we become enamored with our own plausibility all the while failing to consider that we've failed to frame up the core problem. Hence, 'Ill get back to you. I need to sleep on that one."@@drtevinnaidu
@@jamespercy8506 The core problems are found in our unconscious minds. I know of nowhere else that these core problems reveal themselves. Meditation? IDK. Meditation has its uses, yet I've never 🧘♀️ hours/day, or weekly, either. 🤔
I would say, definitely, yes, overfit or under fit. This is the reason that correct feelings allow truth and understanding of dream content that's unraveled in the id. It seems that our inner reality is only expressed in our unconscious id.
@@drtevinnaidu consciousness doesn't need matter but matter needs consciousness. consciousness is always there, it's a standing quantum wave function that never breaks and connects everything material. but not everything material is conversely conscious, we need 'feelings' to 'interact' with it (like e.g. plants, animals or humans can do). consciousness isn't generated - it's modulated ;)
Great conversation, never heard of this gentleman. Seem to have interesting ideas… The ending though… reminded me of Alan Watts reading of an old article on “the art of psychoanalysis” and the battle of “one upmanship” Maybe he really had to go…
@@drtevinnaidu I definitely am. I actually noticed you mentioned it during the interview but I forgot about it. Thanks for the reply. I will check it out. Much love, as always
I've been steeped in Freudian psychoanalytic theory a few weeks. I feel that too much is theoretical and I find it difficult to wrap my arms around so much of it. Feelings are real and infant's feeling are difficult to understand. Is it my misunderstanding, or does psychoanalytic theory center around infants' relationship with their primary caretakers? I must be really stupid.
A different take on consciousness is that, as Sir Roger Penrose has stated, we must now look at the brain to be more like a transmitter/receiver rather than the generator of consciousness - implying that consciousness preceded the universe and we are all subject to it. Dreams may be our subconscious connection to a non physical reality that reveals itself in a nonsensical sense when compared to our awake state.
I'm aware that Penrose has an open mind, and questions whether the Big Bang is accurate, yet I've not known that he preposed these possibilities for brains! Consciousness preceded the universe and can be a transmitter/receiver, and is a generator of consciousness. I vote for all these realities. Who has not received magic in various forms from the universe? I certainly have, not frequently, yet a OBE gave me the clue needed to finish my analysis. (Only one OBE experienced) And what about perceptions of the death of loved ones only days before their death? (This happened to me prior to the death of two much older siblings.)
TIMESTAMPS:
0:00 - Introduction
2:01 - Michael Levin's question to Mark: "What is the meaning of life?"
10:40 - Levin's Lab & Work
14:55 - The Golden Age of Consciousness Studies (Friston, Fields, Levin, Solms, Watson etc)
24:44 - Dreaming vs REM Sleep
27:37 - New Study on Why We Dream
35:15 - Homeostasis & Uncertainty
44:18 - Dreams & The Hard Problem of Consciousness
58:58 - What did Sigmund Freud do right?
1:04:15 - Defining features of Affect: Valence, Qualia & Action
1:10:35 - The Knowledge Argument
1:16:22 - Thomas Nagel believes Mark is on to something!
1:23:52 - The Felt Uncertainty Theory
1:29:09 - New work on Artificial Consciousness
1:34:55 - Conclusion
THANKS FOR WATCHING!
If you enjoyed the content, please like this video, subscribe to the channel and turn on notifications for future updates. :)
That recognition of Mike's ability to bring such a diverse group of scientists and find connections between them is awesome, thank you both Mark, and Tevin, for sharing your time and work, really like Mark's clarity of thought, as he addresses the subjects you are discussing, peace
✌🏼💙
Interesting presentation of the “seeking” homeostat. For several years I took the train into Grand Central Station and then walked to NYU Medical Center to work. That’s 5 avenues and 12 blocks and ~60 possible intersections to navigate. I found myself, depending on the lights and traffic, exploring every possible path. But the payoff was when I was late leaving work, regardless of traffic or lights, I could get back to grand central in the least time to still make the train. REM sleep enables you to consoidate the memory of those experiences. Dreaming enables you to play them back to reinforce which ones are best under different circumstances. Vivid dream are a perfect example of that- they don’t create new memories as much as reinforce the most important / useful ones. The difference between a normal and a vivid dream is conscious awareness - but also with consciousness comes memory. You can remember vivid dreams the next morning, but not “ordinary” dreams unless you awaken immediately after the dream and make an effort to remember it. Normal dreams entail working memory but working memory can only be consolidated (remembered) if you are conscious, which is also facilitated by attention. .
Aaaand another great conversation, thank you. 58:50 "Psychology without the psyche ... The mistake there is to adjust the subject to the methods available" ... beautifully said.
Thank you! Great quote.👌🏽
Thank you 🙏🏾
You are so welcome💙
feelings aren't consciousness itself but a means of tapping into it.
Like a gateway? That still means it’s part of it & fundamental…
@@christopherhamilton3621 feelings are a part of consciousness as a paintbrush is part of the painting ;)
This is the reason to explore the id. Without delving into the id, consciousness is not possible. And "bliss" is not consciousness. It was Freud who gave us the id - his greatest contribution, to my thinking.
I would suggest that the oil is fundamental to the feeling role of consciousness. @@astanarcho8651
"Welcome to the show. What's the meaning of life?" 😆
My hot take on the meaning of life:
From atoms to animals, it's all about the bonds.
👌🏽😂
Clever!
@@kirstinstrand6292 Thanks. I came up with that myself. 😊✌️
you can't have illusory feelings but you also can't have feelings without perception...thus you can have feelings based on 'illusory' perception like e.g. phantom pain ;)
Do you perceive the feeling of hunger or do you just feel hungry?
@@drtevinnaidu even if I 'just feel hungry', the underlying 'mechanics' are a matter or perception:
our stomach is contracting, producing certain hormones and our brain is perceiving those biochemical signals as a call to eat something.
@LakshmiSharma-rd5ws well, the brain develops in the sixth week of pregnancy and I'm pretty sure that the neurons which tell us that we are hungry are among the first ones to become active.
and even if your brain is damaged, the damage is regional (otherwise you wouldn't survive), meaning that the regions in the hypothalamus which regulate hunger are still active.
but I agree with you that consciousness doesn't need a brain, the brain is just a specific 'tool' for humans to access consciousness while e.g. plants have their own complex sensory systems to tap into consciousness.
34:16 Speaking of sleep, when young, sleeping, and having prolific dreams is typical. As I began to age at 55+, sleep began to be problematic, and so was dreaming. This was about the time I began using coconut oil in morning coffee and eating one meal/day. (Mostly)
I've recently revised my diet, reading that seniors need as much daily protein (1gram protein/pound of body weight) Now at 5'9.5" 135 lbs I use 100 grams of whey protein, plus meat or eggs or salads. Guess what 😮 I'm sleeping 8 - 9 hrs/night & dreaming every night.
Honestly, I am flabbergasted 😂😅😮
I've cut back the whey protein to half that amount - it was too much. Still dreaming, yet less.
Conceptualization of affect in context is not affect itself. If conceptualization of affect for humans begins in relationship with caregivers who are guessing at how to address infant negative affect, how does reality jump from there to specific qualia of affect? People "misread" the biological basis of their affect all the time...hunger for fatigue, etc.
Cool logo!
Thanks! I like it too!
don't dreams assist in correcting our tendency to profoundly overfit our framing of our reality?
It's highly probably that dreams serve multiple purposes (this possibly being one of them)
I certainly can't argue with that, but overfitting is a perennial problem that sits at the heart of much of our misunderstanding, especially in modernity, where we become enamored with our own plausibility all the while failing to consider that we've failed to frame up the core problem. Hence, 'Ill get back to you. I need to sleep on that one."@@drtevinnaidu
@@jamespercy8506 The core problems are found in our unconscious minds. I know of nowhere else that these core problems reveal themselves. Meditation? IDK. Meditation has its uses, yet I've never 🧘♀️ hours/day, or weekly, either. 🤔
I would say, definitely, yes, overfit or under fit. This is the reason that correct feelings allow truth and understanding of dream content that's unraveled in the id. It seems that our inner reality is only expressed in our unconscious id.
consciousness doesn't need a brain...
True. Jellyfish don't have a brain, the Monroe Institute studies, NDEs, etc. :3
What does consciousness need? ;)
@@drtevinnaidu consciousness doesn't need matter but matter needs consciousness.
consciousness is always there, it's a standing quantum wave function that never breaks and connects everything material.
but not everything material is conversely conscious, we need 'feelings' to 'interact' with it (like e.g. plants, animals or humans can do).
consciousness isn't generated - it's modulated ;)
@MindBodySolution mine needs tacos 🌮 😢
I like Nick Lane's definition. A real time report on the status of the cell in relation to its environment.
Great conversation, never heard of this gentleman. Seem to have interesting ideas…
The ending though… reminded me of Alan Watts reading of an old article on “the art of psychoanalysis” and the battle of “one upmanship”
Maybe he really had to go…
We did a "Round 1" where we went into his book "The Hidden Spring" (about the source of consciousness) if you're interested. :)
@@drtevinnaidu I definitely am. I actually noticed you mentioned it during the interview but I forgot about it. Thanks for the reply. I will check it out.
Much love, as always
🙏🏽💙
I've been steeped in Freudian psychoanalytic theory a few weeks. I feel that too much is theoretical and I find it difficult to wrap my arms around so much of it. Feelings are real and infant's feeling are difficult to understand. Is it my misunderstanding, or does psychoanalytic theory center around infants' relationship with their primary caretakers? I must be really stupid.
I'll need to get back to you all on this...
:3
A different take on consciousness is that, as Sir Roger Penrose has stated, we must now look at the brain to be more like a transmitter/receiver rather than the generator of consciousness - implying that consciousness preceded the universe and we are all subject to it.
Dreams may be our subconscious connection to a non physical reality that reveals itself in a nonsensical sense when compared to our awake state.
I'm aware that Penrose has an open mind, and questions whether the Big Bang is accurate, yet I've not known that he preposed these possibilities for brains!
Consciousness preceded the universe and can be a transmitter/receiver, and is a generator of consciousness. I vote for all these realities. Who has not received magic in various forms from the universe? I certainly have, not frequently, yet a OBE gave me the clue needed to finish my analysis. (Only one OBE experienced) And what about perceptions of the death of loved ones only days before their death? (This happened to me prior to the death of two much older siblings.)