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When children are involved, it’s not porn. It’s child sexual abuse.
agree we need to stop normalizing it. its abuse
Yes. CSA images is more accurate terminology.
@@silverarrowtarot we need to stop normalizing pornography!!!
@@silverarrowtarot thank you the voice of common sense reading these comments isn't cool
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
If someone molested her child, she wouldn't be asking for alternatives to jail time.
EXACTLY
@joceja23Should I say "If someone had made child porn of her child, she wouldn't be asking for alternatives to jail time?", does that make it better for you?
@joceja23Not to the child that is being abused, which is the point here
@@Nayahpooh012NO
@@MsMak03, Maybe, but if we treat viewing child pornography and committing sexual violence against a child equivalently then there would be no reason for a criminal to distinguish it either and go for the worse of the two. After all, they end up getting the same or worse of a punishment for viewing/owning CP, why not just act on their urges all-together? They may even get less prison time.
She refers to her son as “victim”. No ma’am, your son is not a victim - those children are. He made a choice.
lmfao you’re not very bright are you?
He got sent an image he may or may not have asked for. It’s gross but he didn’t actually victimize the person. Whomever took the pic did
@@ToyotaTom04 Wrong. He creates the demand for it, therefore contributing to the victimization.
The son is a victim of a prejudice society since he became a sex offender.
@@HC-sb5ck Brighter than you.
Funny how people wanna be tough on crime, unless it's their family that's committed it...
EXACTLY
They can dish it but can’t take it
True. People need to stop tip-toeing around stuff
@@msthang5366 Nope, the only good sex offender is a dead one. I dont care who you are.
Who said this lady wanted to be tough on crime?! 😂
She's in denial. He didn't just receive a picture unsolicited in a chat room.
She most likely doesn't have the ability to fully comprehend it, like cant bring the two images of her son together, cognitive dissonance too
Yeah definitely not. He was looking for it. She's minimizing his guilt and culpability. No one likes to admit the true extent of their own guilt or someone they love
Came to say this. No way he is getting 5 years because someone sent him a picture he didn't ask for.
Yea I know someone who had a cp charge and never went to prison for it. He most likely had more than that
@@JacobDoe69it probably came down to circumstances. Did your friend receive them unsolicited?
It’s gross how she uses autism as an excuse for this. I’m autistic. Child predators can go to hell!!!
And you also have to acknowledge that autistic people can also commit crimes and knowing they are on the spectrum helps us understand the mind of the criminal.
@@dudeorduuude5211yes, autistic people can commit crimes, but being autistic is not a mitigating factor. ASD =\= not knowing right from wrong.
There's different levels of autism though... There's autism where it makes things challenging and there's autism where it makes things close to impossible
@@erich1380what does that even mean. It seems like you are trying to perpetuate us as helpless so we should be set aside
@@hmmm2564 no. We obviously don't know the details of the case fully so it's hard to say one way or the other but one of the key struggles with autism is social interaction. Kid was sent CP online. He could have desperately trying to fit in not knowing the severity of the situation because nobody could have explained it to him before. His mom said he is mentally on the level of a young teen. I've heard countless stories of 16-18 year old autistic students being into 12-14 year olds..now obviously if the photos were of 5 year olds that would be a different story. Too much we don't know
My brother was convicted of child molestation. There was more than one victim, one of them a young relative. My mother absolutely refused to believe he was guilty. It tore the extended family apart. My mother insisted everyone in the family believe in his innocence, including my uncle whose daughter was one of the victims. The family relationships were destroyed.
She sounds like a mom boy 😞
I was abused by my older cousin. I wasn't the only one. Legally he got off scot free but when it comes to the family, it completely destroyed relationships between the extended groups
Dude.... what a kick to the balls. What a shattering of the soul. My brother is my best friend and bjj training partner. Hes still a virgin though at 26. Im not worried I know hes not a sicko. I really wish i could get him involved with a good woman. There are alot of women shacking up with chomos because they are the judges, lawyers, supervisors and have the car and house on the hill. Its sad but true. This world rewards evil. I dont understand it
Unfortunately all too common, and all too wrong
Wow, déjà vu.
Jon was right it's way more to this story then she's telling. He wouldn't be receiving five or more years in prison one ONE text. This situation was on going
True ..he must actively bought the stuff
60 counts
He must have had contact with a distributor online, the distributor was tracked by IP address and the investigators had a digital audit trail for the files being sent to him and they found it on his phone and such.
@@MrBrewman95 perhaps a purchase
anyone who is caught with the files will receive that amount of time. Every file/pic/video of a child is an offense. Anyone can get prison time for having it. you don't have to physically do anything. they just have to be on your device
The only victim is the child who was abused. That’s it.
Anyone who abuses a child should be shunned from society. Jail sounds like a perfect fit for his crime.
They should be eliminated from society. Prison is too lenient. Sorry i have empathy for child abusers.
@@moniquedefranca5759 Completely agree.
Yes he is responsible for his own actions. It’s disgusting to think about what he did, and the fact that he’s Autistic does not excuse his actions.
Child sex offender should be put on death penalty
Yep! Shunned and labeled with red flags. I Check the sex offender site all the time to protect my own child in our neighborhood/community. There are so many! It’s disgusting.
She called abuse of children, “something stupid”. And is able to see her ADULT son as a “child” but not legitimate victims i.e. CHILDREN! Well… I’d like to know how long the mess she raised is off the streets.
She didn't just raise a mess. Shes a mess too and no doubt it contributes to him being a felon.
It's not "something stupid"... It's CRIMINAL.
Crimes against children are the worst!!!
It was an online chat, and he's an 18 year old, we can give some leeway for her. He was stupid, she's not wrong.
@@dudeorduuude5211 Youre a pedo excuser. Gross little sh!t you are.
@@dudeorduuude5211he gave his number and I'm sure they bonded over joint interests.
Also the son didn't delete it in disgust. Let's be honest here
Mom cannot protect him and she’s making every excuse for him that she can. If she is making excuses at 18, she will be making them at 50.
True
Just like Ted Bundy's mom
She’s distraught right now, shocked, put yourself in her situation. Everyone handles situations differently. Give her time to think straight, perhaps counseling.
I don’t wish the consequences of his crime on anyone, but he is going to experience what being a victim is like for the next 5 years or less. I hope the boy gets counselling in prison, hopefully stays safe, and gets his life together
He who has not sin, cast thy first stone.(Jesus)
No one "came after" her son. Her son committed a crime and was arrested.
They hunted him down unless he told on himself. No they come to get him. Why would he tell on himself?
His other “friends” who were also into this material decided to cooperate with investigators and allow him to buy the material
@@cxa340setup too
we need more awareness to prevent people from these crimes
law enforcement came
How DARE she blame the CP on Autism. How gross.
Obviously this requires some nuance. Mental disabilities, including autism, can affect one’s judgement and rationale. Mental disabilities also allow others to take advantage of their reduced cognition in this area. Someone sent him these images. He didn’t request them. Why are you overly willing to acknowledge the lack of understanding of disabilities and how people with disabilities are regularly misunderstood and convicted for crimes they didn’t play a part in or didn’t understand their role in. I don’t think you understand autism. I don’t think you recognize how people with disabilities are used as scapegoats for crimes. You clearly do not know anyone with a mental disability. Do better!
I'm autistic. Don't use that as an excuse. This 18 year old was at college - if he's capable of going off to college, he has the expectation of being a responsible adult. Knock it off with this.
@@JRB568people with disabilities have to follow the law, too. Yes I have more than one, love people with others, and work in the field. I once worked with a man who functioned cognitively like a four year old. We made sure than man knew how horrific and illegal things like this are. BECAUSE we knew he was vulnerable. It’s not a justification.
@@thebalancedvirgin4893 I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with this being awful, but remember autism is on a spectrum please
I don't think that's what she meant..... She is clearly buying into the narrative that this was some external misfortunes that befell her little boy - something that happened _to_ him, instead of something he did. In that story, autism is perfectly relevant, because something something vulnerable, trusting, naive scapegoat, fewer friends, susceptible to social pressure etc.etc.
Which is 100% not what happened, but I can understand why she'd need to believe that for the foreseeable future.
My husband is an educator. When an autism spectrum kid does anything wrong, the parents trot out that excuse. But at the same time demand their child be treated as if they are normal. You can't have it both ways. I've never had CP texted to me because I don't mess with it. Her son did. And if he were so "impaired", most likely he wouldn't be off at college.
You said everything I wanted to say, thank yoyou. Her son is not a victim of anything except mom's coddling.
Not everyone with autism is the same. I am not saying he is innocent or should not pay for what he did. What I think is the parents didn't prepare him for this and they feel guilty. She said we can't protect him anymore. Maybe he was involved on it, but he didn't know how terrible it was. It was on the parents to teach him that. The son is socially immature and they had to tell him. I am not defending, I am explaining. Now they has 5 years to learn.
EXACTLY
There are many high-functioning people with autism who go to college, I know because I'm on the spectrum myself and hold a master's degree. And believe me, I KNOW that CP is wrong and I'd never in a million years be part of it.
And yes, those with autism can be gullible at times. But the solution to that is to give kids an EXTRA STRONG dose of reality and understanding of right and wrong, not making excuses.
Yes the son needs to face the consequences by law, but Shannon May this is so incredibly ableist, I'm sitting here just shaking my head. "As if they are normal" ... What the heck? Would you scoff at parents of a blind child who held out hope that others around them (especially teachers!) will expect the BEST out of every child, regardless of disability
Shielding someone from the consequences of their actions only makes it worse.
Probably he did it before
No one is shielding anyone . The mom needs help with how to deal with this situation.
My daughter was victimized by some loser. The kid has done it to many others and the parents are in complete denial. He's just a good boy...
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
Exactly
Child pornography is disgraceful, distasteful, disgusting, and just plain dreadful. Shame on him, to say the least! This isn't being stupid, it is just despicable!
I agree.
Child porn is horrendous and so is adult porn as women are trafficked and abused. Child porn is worse by you still can't justify any porn at all.
@@sarcodonblue2876 I said something very personal here and do not appreciate the judgment at all! You speak to any single grown man and I guarantee you they watch erotic at least every once in awhile. I am not saying it is amazing, I am saying it is natural or it is what it is. No straight and single man doesn't watch it once in again. I do not appreciate your tone and I guarantee you are a female! Even Dr. John in some of his calls as I am an huge fan told male call that he understands the concept of needed a physical release for an adult. I can't believe I have to explain this!
@@DominickSpano just because men do it doesn't make abusing women okay. Women are still trafficked and the most vulnerable are abused in the industry. Yes men should be judged for it as they haven't thought of the consequences especially the ones who then judge women for being promiscuous.
@@sarcodonblue2876 Whatever you say. This is what you get for being a little personal on board. You stink!
It’s hard not to roll my eyes when listening to this mother minimize what her son had in possession. Reminds me of people who’d rather look the other way when they know of a child being abused. John did an awesome job redirecting her to see that crimes must be punished. And for her to suggest that all he needs is to not have internet access VS putting him in prison said it all.
how was it perpretrated if it was sent to him
exactly! first, you dont get a 5yrs sentence for receiving by mistake a CP text. Secondly, nobody just stumble upon CP, you have to deeply seek it out. Nobody that you meet in a chat room will just send you CP thats ridiculous.
lotta church elders swept worse under the rug. they aint in jail and on a registry.
@@AC-mp7cx
He actively sought out this material and paid for it - in the end, having sought out this material and made friends with others who wanted this material, he paid money for the material and downloaded 30 files of it not realizing his friend had already been arrested and he was now talking to the FBI.
That is the reason for the charges and sentencing - this is not an image that just showed up on his phone. He downloaded Kik, used the app to find a chat room of individuals trading in this material, engaged in the dissemination of the material, then purchased and downloaded more of the material.
I don’t know, I’m having a hard time judging her. How could you possibly relate in any way to how she must be feeling? Her brain needs some time to process and catch up.
Here’s this person she loves most in the world, would do anything for. She’s grieving. She needs time to get to the “acceptance” phase, that’s all. Right now her brain is struggling to put these two things together. I can’t even begin to imagine what she must be going through right now.
The lawyer said 5 years was an expected MINIMUM, not the actual sentence.
😬😬😬
Sorry, but that sentence is ridiculous. He is 18. It seems he was not producing or selling child pornography. He did something very stupid, but I agree with John, something else not being mentioned if the sentence is five years.
@@createone100 society has to set the standard. I think 5 years is appropriate
@@jimjones11305 years doesn’t really help anyone though. We should focus on rehabilitation and setting people up for success in society. Not just punish them.
@@createone100circulating it is the problem. I can guarantee he circulated CP and that is why they went after him. This guy was part of a ring if they got him this way and pushed it this hard. CP possession is always prosecuted but often when it is a first offense they recommend probation. For some reason they're seeking prison for an 18 year old.
This was not just him getting one text. He was circulating that filth and circulating it creates demand for it. Demand means more abusers making it.
The sentence is appropriate.
Facing this right now, my stepson is in jail for this. My wife has accepted it, but is willing to listen he was set up, and my wife has had these same excuses. I’m sure now she realizes the crime, and I’ve told her I feel more sorry for the children, than my stepson.
Do you wish that you had never married your wife and become a stepfather? Did your stepson exhibit any concerning or alarming behaviors in the past? Was your wife too lenient with your stepson growing up?
I hate the “he was set up” excuse. Because if that was true he’d have reported it to the authorities immediately, they’d have gotten to the actual perpetrator through him, and he wouldn’t have been punished. But for some people it’s better to buy into clear lies rather than accept the wrong of their child.
Even if he was set up, what he did led him to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, but even then it’s a very specific place to be involved in.
@@proudatheist2042 no, about my wife. Yes he did, I did my best to help him. I am a retired Marine, she didn’t like my discipline.
Forward 2 months, she now agrees with me.
Yeah and is your stepson autistic willing to bet he is so what do you think about those apples willing to make you a thousand dollar bet your stepson is autistic once again you don't know what you're talking about if he is autistic that is
This is the mom that yells at her child’s teacher because her child is failing the class 💀💀💀
Proably real nam karen
😂
Definitely!!!
Literallyyyy
I always wonder if people would feel the same if their own child was abused, and someone was watching it.
And profiting off of it as well.
It could just be someone under 18 ‘offing’ not all csam legally is adult on child physical abuse a naked picture of a 17 yr old could be considered Csam in court so there’s a lot to consider
While I'm sure you don't need to be told this, as the parent of a child who was abused (long story, but I fought the courts to prevent it) no, I think she should be forced to see what her son had so she can see the kind of person her son really is.
@@Kaiyats That's not what happened here. The guy's 18, he's not getting convicted with a five year sentence and permanent registration for a girl a year younger than him. To get a punishment that bad you're looking at 12 or less.
@@LilStitchy1 That's a completely irrational thing to suggest. She's just been informed her child fresh out of or maybe even still in high school is a monster and is going to have to live with it for the rest of her life. She isn't responsible for what he did, she's just in stage one of the grieving process and hasn't fully accepted it yet. Being able to just throw away your son at the drop of a hat isn't a sign of strength or moral conviction, it's a sign of psychopathy.
I do genuinely feel sorry for this lady. She does need to accept that her son committed a crime. I will never judge a parent for not cutting their child out of their life. If she wants to emotionally be there for him, I can understand that. She just also needs to accept the reality of the situation.
Very true, I’m a mother too so I understand everything, 🙏🙏🙏
@@MissLydia1231 Personally, I am not a parent, but I don't judge parents who visit their children or keep in contact with them while they are serving sentences. It's just not my place to judge anyone in that scenario.
Very very insightful comment
I agree. She deserves compassion which not a lot of comments have given her. I totally feel for her & cannot imagine what that feels like for the parents.
@@AshleyLebedev do you have ANY of that compassion for the children abused by her son, though? She’s also a liar. You won’t face a minimum of 5 years for a single image.
Your son is not the victim. I feel for her as a mother but at the same time, this is no small trespass. I feel like there’s an element missing in this story.
Yeah she is obviously covering up for her son to a degree, or buying into some pile of BS that he's feeding her to make it seem like he just accidentally received some unsolicited images and is now unfairly facing jail time for it.
Certainly
Yes. Indeed! The missing element is compassion for abused children, self-reflection and _accountability_ .
I want to know the age of the child. If it is 16 or 17, him being 18 I think that is nothing of major concern. If it is younger, well he is getting what he should.
@@dudeorduuude5211prob not. she would definitely have mentioned that. the son is 18 so if this was about ppl close to his age there's no way she wouldn't have clarified, knowing that when ppl hear cp they usually think elementary school kids
This mother does NOT know the whole story I am sure of it. Her son likely searched this out and was an active participant of getting these images. YOUR son is not the victim, lady.
She knows this too, you can tell it by her tone. She's trying to buy into her own delusion further by vocalizing it.
It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
Yeah I mean i was thinking it seems harsh if someone sent him something and he just didn't report it. She is probably in denial still and that is the story he told her.
She doesn't want to know the whole story
@@bobbyrbmg4370what did you search?
The end of this call took a horrible turn. This mom does not need to have anything to do with real victims while she feels like her son is a victim
Also, her son didn't make a stupid mistake. He is a sexual predator.. if this wasn't caught I guarantee it would progress
I think it all depends on how she handles it. Organizations who work with trafficking victims are very particular about who has access to volunteer. Hopefully if she does go this route she'll be properly screened and supervised.
I agree with you. She would make her son out to be a martyr. These children grew up in twisted environments. They need sympathy for themselves, not the adults who chose to see them being abused.
@A 7108 I get what you are getting at, but this demented woman who makes excuses for her deviant, evil son should Not be around the children her son watched being abused. The children need professional help from trained professionals who won't gaslight them into thinking that the grown man who willingly watched them being sexually abused is a martyr. The mom can read or listen to testimonials from other survivors. She needs therapy, because I am willing to bet that she coddled her son and overlooked warning signs of his behavior long before he was sentenced.
Abuse victims aren't volunteer opportunities, like dogs at the shelter or thrift stores that raise money for orphanages. This lady needs to tend to her own business and keep her nose out of working with the children her son abused.
She referred to it as a stupid thing. What an awful thing to say! This was a vile thing. He did one of the worst things possible.
It's just the tip of the iceberg - a symptom of how the neurons in his mind fire, and where his attractions and motivations lie. It takes a vile mind to commit vile actions.
Well, it is stupid...and horrible. She just left out the horrible part.
She's infuriating me with her denial and minimalization. Dr J is a Saint for his patience and wisdom
Indeed it was frustrating. But this is a mama talking about her baby. I know if I was in her shoes, it would be extremely difficult to deal with. So many emotions would come out.
The 700 Club were Saints. Dr Oz is a Saint. Dr Phil is a Saint. Of course, Dr J is a Saint among saints.
Something is seriously wrong with the mom and moms that continue to make excuses for this kind of behavior. Ridiculous to state that they should get involved with abused kids.
She's just as sick as he is. This is disgusting 🫣
It’s more like an irrational response to protecting their kids. It’s not rational, and it never will be. It’s a very very unfortunate position for a mother. There’s nothing rational about maternal instinct. It makes me feel bad for her. Her bodies response is plead for his immediate wellbeing, and her rational response is that these things need correction, and the middle where they meet will not allow the maternal aspect to be quiet about it
@@trosclair434genus4yes. I think you’re right.
All these people demonising her, safely detached from the horror she is coming to terms with, have no idea of how they’d actually respond if their child did the same. There’s some very powerful conflicting emotions and I’m glad Dr Delony responded the way he did.
@@trosclair434genus4she had me up to ‘doing something stupid’ and blaming his autism. My sympathy is with the children involved.
@@thefirm4606she also said I feel my son is a victim but I also know the children are victims "too"...
This is what happen when people coddle their kids and don’t prepare them to be adults. Now she’s suffering the consequences of her actions. He should have known very well that this was wrong. And stop calling him a child, that’s the problem. This is a man.
Exactly!
When she said ‘He’s 18. I can’t protect him anymore “ it struck me she DID protect him for 17 years, falling back on the autistic excuse, the immature excuse, etc. I’m just another mom, but I sensed she knew he had “off” behaviors. Now it’s out in the open - taking his Internet away and sending him to counseling just doesn’t cut it.
This is an ignorant comment.
Bit of a stretch to say coddling your kids will turn them into pedohs ..
I don’t see how being coddled would inspire someone to watch CHILD P*RN!!!!!
Only five years. And it wasn’t a stupid decision. It was a disgusting crime.
How would you know? She gave no real details. From the call, she said that he met an adult who sent him the child porn.
@@lav7161 No one gets 5 years for receiving a text/picture. There is more to this story.
@@Skelly777able I don't know the laws. I'm just commenting on what was said in the video.
@@wordsalad01 That's crazy. Good job on getting the person
Right!
She wants him to be in therapy to have someone “hold him accountable” but is not willing to do the same thing. I’m disgusted with this woman.
You and me both. Not only that she’s making excuses for him and had the AUDACITY to call him a victim!?! She’s pretty much guaranteeing that he will reoffend in some way in the future.
@@Burlykim13 the only thing that she’s taking serious are his charges, but not WHY he had them. Excuses exist for her son but not for the victims. Wild.
@@Burlykim13he’s a victim of his own brain. Rather than commenting on the matter, what would you do to stop an illegal attraction? Punishment won’t stop it. You can give all the prison time you want, it’s not going to stop the attraction. He needs mental help, not prison time
Mom has to accept that her child grew up and chose to commit a crime. Thats the end of the sentence. No if and or but.
She really doesn't spare the victim a thought. It's sickening.
Her son is a victim?? Delusional
He will be a victim because he’s a sex offender who are targeted by other inmates and vigilantes in public.
“All because of something stupid”? Getting off on watching kids being raped is a lot more than “Something stupid”. It’s disgusting how she’s minimizing this.
Glad he got caught. These kinda men are running rampid out here. Little 12 yr old girls are in danger from the older men. If this didn’t get shut down it would have been a bigger issue.
He’s 18 . I wouldn’t call that a man . Still a teen .
I wonder how old the kid was. 16-17 is still considered CP
Rampant* lol
They really are.
It’s not just twelve year old girls in danger. Many of these men view images and videos featuring adult men engaging in sex acts with infants. BABIES. Often, the babies don’t survive the assault. Viewing this repulsive material creates the demand for more child abuse and torture. That’s the reality of child pornography. The people who view it are just as guilty as the people who make it.
@Dewi I was just watching a Catholic Exorcist talk about how the CP industry is actually run by satanic groups that breed children for this and than sacrifice them. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that’s the case. He also said many victims don’t survive and that’s why you always hear about guys like this getting caught and you never hear about kids being saved
I caught the bio dad of my daughter with pictures of a 16 y/o. I turned him in and i don’t regret it.
I found out during court that he actually traveled across the state to pick her up from his own old HIGH SCHOOL, so yeah that was the biggest ID checker he could of had
I don’t get child support I just wanted him out of my life
Paradoxically the pictures are illegal (assuming they are n00ds) but sex with the same girl may not be - 16 is the age of consent in the majority of U.S. States.
@@payleryder45 found the discord mod
It’s illegal to ‘sext’ under the age of 18 but technically 16 is the age of consent. I don’t understand it
@@fullsendmountainbiker5844 it’s illegal to have pictures under the age of 18 across all states.
“I feel like my son is the victim”. Me: what!?!?
Exactly...I hope he's dumb enough to tell the other inmates wut he did so they settle it properly the prison way
He needs to be in jail. The fact that his mother doesn’t think this speaks volumes. She doesn’t get it at all
Does he need jail or does he need therapy?
@@clovemartin prison is crime school. He doesn't need to associate with the worst of society. He needs reformed. He won't get that in person.
@@clovemartinBoth
@@clovemartin Can therapy turn someone gay or straight? No. So how is it supposed to help a baddie who's attracted to kids?
@@phattjohnson It can help it learn not to act on his desires. It's literally a matter of dealing with their mental health, which is not talked about much these days. If someone is dealing with this mental condition, they need help. Jail doesn't fix them.
This is the final stop for pornography type addictions. It doesn’t start this way, but a person has to keep escalating their behavior to get the same dopamine high until they run out of any other images. In some countries pornography is illegal and harder to obtain, I would totally vote to get rid of porn all together, what it does to the brain is insane.
Nobody admits this! Pornography is the gateway for so much evil but our society calls it “art.” There’s no awareness it’s dangers or how it perverts the minds of young men.
Thats stupid, on so many levels. Csam doesnt produce dopamine in the vast majority of people, you have to be seriously screwed up to get off on it. And the majority of people with a porn addiction are not pedophiles...
Stop your fear mongering nonsense
It completely changed my x's personality. And when I pointed it out, he said all men watch porn and that it's normal. I said NOPE.
@@arexandwa i mean... 99% of men do watch porn. So it literally is normal...
Just because your x got addicted doesnt mean every man who watches porn is addicted. As evidenced by the fact that most men who watch porn, are not addicted to it. .
Yes and no...
Porn addiction is a real phenomenon that some people experience. But I can't see a non-pedophile being attracted to CP anymore than a straight person to gay pornography for instance. Viewing pornography, or even addiction to it, has a lot of effects on the brain, but isn't capable of changing one's sexual orientation (which is more or less already determined before puberty and not changeable).
I hope we can finally one day Ban all pornography.
Good luck that’ll probably never happen.
Move to another country
@@cooliipie because I have a hope?
@Jax_904 sex sells, it always has and it always will, the only way to ban pornography is to ban being human it won't work, I would like it banned too, sex to me is a filthy act, it should be private, but its needed in order for civilization to continue, and even if it is banned its not going to stop people from being disgusting, it's like video games, they don't lead to people being killers, just as porn doesn't turn people into rapists, that evil has always been within that person they were always going to be that way.
Stop making excuses for your son. He did it and has to face the consequences.
You can love and support your son without excusing his actions.
A "mistake?"
I seriously doubt he would receive 5 years in prison if his digital profile was completely clean except someone sending unsolicited evil. This is likely the line Mom is being fed. If he were a purely innocent recipient, the feds would have likely used him as a witness to catch the distributor.
The cops can go suck a D**K. If you are innocent you need to lawyer up fast because the law has resources to throw you in prison for at least a year.
It doesn't work that way.
Yeah, actually he downloaded Kik and used it specifically for this purpose of finding the material, joined chat groups with the intention of finding the material, and made friends with individuals interested in the same material, when one of those friends was arrested the FBI posed as the friend and he bought and paid for more material from this friend(FBI) and then proceeded to download 31 files of this material and attempt to view each one
A “mistake” as quoted reminded me of another disgusting public comment. The father of Brock Turner, the swimmer from Stanford, said his son’s life shouldn’t be ruined over “twenty minutes of action”. Like father, like son, I wouldn’t be upset if both got stuck with something sharp
It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
Breaks my heart. As a parent, this is a worst case-scenario-type nightmare for your child to make a decision like this. I hope they can find some peace that their son is where he needs to be for his choices and I hope their son is able to get help.
Pedos never change ...NEVER
Best comment on here
Well said
I never thought about it before but it must be a horrible feeling to find out your child is abusing kids, maybe even worse than finding out they're a victim.
How puppy the son finds help as in being shanked
wow, Mom is in a whole lot of denial. Her son is NOT, let me repeat, NOT a victim.
Her being in denial is one thing that's NOT gonna help him, in the long run.
She sounds like she thinks he only received the pictures accidently. There was more participation than she's willing to admit. She is a Mother, it's not her fault. Of course she loves her son. This is just so sad but her son .committed a crime that will follow him forever.
He didn't just commit a crime.. he's wired differently. His sexual urges aren't conducive to a productive society so his behaviour needs to be monitored carefully from now on. That's not just 'following him forever'.. that's him showing himself to have some underlying fault (sorry but there's no other way to explain child attraction).
How would you know? Can you read people’s mind.
@@phattjohnson 23 years ago age of consent in Hawaii was 14. So the attraction kids was there. Were they all sickos?
Five years. He did way worse than she knows.
*Minimum* of 5 years. She knows. She's in denial. And the way she talks, she seems to care only about her son--no empathy or thought at all for the actual victims.
Something stupid?? She is very disconnected with reality.. your son did something more than something stupid. He is exactly where he needs to be
I agree with you. Her saying “ something stupid “ he made a choice and needs to do time. Her son is a danger so out society and he won’t change.
exactly she makes it sound like he just made a little oopsie mistake when in reality this guy is a monster that should be locked up for life
@@iminyourcity4001He didn’t touched a child. He just looked at photos
@@IndianCurrycel You don't know that he didn't touch a child. Looking at CP, at the very least, incentivizes the continued abuse of children. Sit down.
@@sitcomchristian6886 if he has touched a child he would be all over the news. He just looked at illegal images so he wasn’t a chomo.
The mother is clearly in denial.
Just because you are on the spectrum, you aren't automatically the victim or unable to see right from wrong.
And it frightens me that she genuinely believes that he should be "held accountable" and monitored by someone instead of jail.
That she really does not understand that he poses a threat to children around him or online.
All because she fails to see that he is a grown capable college-attending adult man who committed a crime, not an incapable little boy who accidentally did something "bad".
A lot of parents make the grave mistake of underestimating their child with a diagnosis, and coddles them throughout their whole childhood, never holding them accountable because they think that diagnosis means their child is a forever innocent who can't learn. Which couldn't be further from the truth. Autism doesn't mean dumb, it just means your brain works a little differently.
I think as a Society we forget the families of the criminals, both in this kind of situation and in situations like mass shootings. Here's a mom who loves her boy and knows he has done criminal things and has to figure out how to go forward. I hope she has people around her who will support her and not condemn her. Her son's choices should not cause us to vilify her.
How do we create a world we want to live in? Consequences. Her son will go to federal prison for his crime, something that can be forced upon him by a judicial system. Her community will shun her for her defensiveness. She has taken on a villain role every moment she creates a loophole to justify her son's behavior. This woman would have harbored a perverted criminal if she could have prevented the cops from knowing about his CP because its her son without regard of the impact he has made in the world of the small children who are his victims.
Problem is she says her son is a victim. A victim of WHAT?
@@Guitarlvr01 I don't agree he is a victim. Autistic or not -- he's away at college so he's capable of making choices. But I still feel compassion for a mother whose heart is breaking.
@@melissazabower339 I don’t if she thinks he’s innocent!
No but her minimizing what he did and getting upset he shouldn’t go to jail DOES deserve condemnation. You can tell you kid “I love you no matter what and will visit you in jail and support you but you did an abhorrent thing and need to pay a debt to society” when you do get out we will hold you accountable and help you”. Not “oh he has autism, he’s just 18, he just got a picture sent to him”. No one just magically ends up in a kiddie porn chat room. Let’s remember what kiddie porn is. It’s photos and videos of kids getting raped. Mom is in hardcore denial and needs to wake up fast if she wants to help her kid.
i have experience with this! My ex-boyfriend, 6 months after we broke up, was arrested for gross sexual imposition of a minor and 60 counts of child pornography. yes, the victims are the children. But geez it's a TERRIBLE feeling to watch someone do this to their life. You had this idea of this person. You thought you knew someone. And it was all a lie. I went through weeks of emotions. ON top of that, as a favor to his family, I was dealing with his estate for months. Parents definitely go through denial and just plain shock. They ask themselves, what did I do wrong? The right thing to do always is be an advocate for the children.
Thank you for sharing your story...
That must be so hard! I hope you find healing and I pray this for the children as well who are also victims
My ex had everyone including me fooled until I noticed some predatory and grooming behaviors around minors.
I was cast out by family and friends for pointing this out because he would never.
I left and rebuilt my life after utter slander and destruction. He died 2 years later and I found out he had a warrant out for his arrest molesting his friends 7 year old. I had warned him also. Sucks that people don't listen and try to kill the messenger. In the end you're only responsible for how you react and what you do...I sleep well knowing I didn't cover it up or entertain it.
Light is supposed to uncover the darkness not succumb to it and crimes against children are the most heinous because it hits the innocent and the perpetrators are cowards because they cannot contend with their equals.
They are bullies.
My ex mother covered for him as well...going to church and praying.
Well God took him out of this world so he won't be destroying anyone else's life.
The victims and people involved still have to deal with the aftermath of what happened.
It's been 5 years and I'm still trying to cope, but I seriously do not want to date or engage with anyone else because it's just so prevalent in society and I won't be as lenient or patient with anyone anymore. The only help some of these people deserve, is to help themselves leave this earth.
I haven’t heard her say, “what did I do wrong?” I’ve heard her minimise, blame shift and make excuses.
i dont believe you at all. women lie constantly about their exes. "toxic, abusive, manipulating" i just dont believe you.
These are the type of calls that I believe need an hour. 5 minutes of advice on this seems crazy to me.
At the beginning of the video when she said her son was 18 I thought this was going to be one of those situations where a high school senior got nude pictures from his girlfriend who’s only a few months younger than him but legally underage. Obviously this situation is much darker.
It was not explored what exactly was sent to him. Maybe it was pretty much what you suggest.
Her son had over 150 files of children under 12. He's not a fucking victim.. i have a son myself and even if this lady still loves and talks to her son, no way should she minimize the severity of the crime. Saying he's a victim or that it was a set up prevents the accountability that needs to occur. She's trying to minimize it rather than get to the root of it
How did you find these details? Where did you search?
5 years in prison is not even enough compared to the terror these CHILDREN are going through.
He didn't put them through that. There's different levels of capability.
@@AnthonySopran0He still contributed too it by engaging in CP.
Well done, John. I could hear you wanting to call her out like the comments section, but this was put the best way she actually needed to hear. You didn't make excuses for the son or feed into what she wanted to hear, but gave her practical advice which is why she called you while also reiterating that her son is not the victim here.
Any type of crime involving children is the most horrible and deserves the harshest punishment. Poor parents. But the sooner they accept the magnitude of their son's crime and let him face the consequences of his actions-because an 18-year-old is not a baby, he knew what he was doing, no matter how terrible these consequences are-the sooner they will be able to move on with their lives, which will obviously never be the same.
John took this call well. She is having trouble dealing with her son's choices.
The amount of men these days exploiting kids, harming them, abusing them, abusing women, hurting them, etc is disturbing. They deserve the death penalty.
men abusing women and girls is far more common than men abusing kids. think of all of the women abused in traditional pornography and that has been normalized by men as "just being a man"
@@whitneyw.7919 kids are being abused all the time. Porn is also filled with minors and sex trafficking. It’s both .. men abuse both women and children
Tbh we have seen more and more women getting caught for these types of crimes with underage kids. It’s like every week now a female teacher is getting arrested for having sex with one of her students
It's not just these days. It's always been. The internet just makes it easier.
Men and women*
Doesn't she understand that people who buy and distribute provoke others to produce the material because there's a demand? There are children harmed and even killed in this so-called business. It's not a light crime, he's part of that horrible machine.
But where do we differentiate the two? Clearly, he wasn't involved in making the material or engaging in any sexual acts against a child, so when do we say the punishment fits the crime? If we want less criminal sex-offenders out there preying on children then we don't need to be sending 18 year old Autistic young men that got involved in sexual deviancy as their first offense to prison for 5+ years.
It is insane, we all know prison isn't a place of rehabilitation and will only serve to make him worse if anything. Why do we think that will fix the problem? It won't, it only serves to give everyone else their minute of dopamine rush knowing that they screwed a boy's life up and punishing him for our own vindictive pleasure. Even though her son is most likely going to come out of that prison more of a sexual criminal than when he went in, increasing the likelihood of further victimization in society. He needs therapy and long-term probation. He needs to be supervised and helped.
Yeah I'm surprised no police or support workers have told her this, considering her own common sense on the matter appears to have been misplaced throughout this turmoil.. Sounds like she's doing as LITTLE as possible in this situation, and just wishes it would all go away.
“Hopefully I’m still alive when he’s out of prison” those are words I would never want my mom to ever say as long as she’s alive
At the end of the day he knew what he was doing was wrong, did it anyway and got caught he deserves to be held accountable and mom shouldn't try to "protect" him he's already done the crime and he needs to do the time.
I agree with you. Perhaps, when the first images were sent & received, if he’d responded to the other party, “WTF man! Don’t be sending this $hit to anybody, and stop communicating with me”, the legal system might have gone softer on him, especially if he’d immediately deleted every image.
Better yet, if he’d turned this perv into the FBI for pornography trafficking, he certainly wouldn’t be in this bad situation. I think there must have been multiple encouraging conversations and exchanges of images for him to be facing years of prison time. Yeah, his actions will cause his parents to be the social pariahs of their community. Prison time better be occupied with every available counseling service and securing a college degree. He cannot count on living with mom & pop after prison release if they live within a certain radius of a school, park, recreation center, etc.
It would be nice if this was the same standard that was held to politicians, Hollywood elite and Uber wealthy members of our society. I know that would happen in a perfect world, so we just have to deal with them banging young children as one of their favorite hobbies.
My word -- Dr. J you give fabulous advice.
This was hard to listen to! Everyone wants to be tough on crime and see people be accountable until it's their kid. She so minimalized the damage her son had done or could have done to children and it's always all about the struggles and diagnosis of the perpetrator. With every crime there's a parent who only sees their kid as "yeah but..." it's a huge problem in our society
"Something stupid" wtaf!
Your son is a predator ma'am!
Someone’s in pure denial of one of the most heinous crimes.
Double standards at its finest
I’d tell the judge to lock him up and throw away the key.
It would hurt and I’d be grieving, not because I lost the son I had in the present but because I lost the innocent baby boy I used to have before he became a monster..
That mother failed her son. Coddled him throughout his life but not enough boundaries.😢
The whole video I’ve been waiting for her to be asked “Okay, if that was a picture of your son going around and leo found a person who was looking at that, what punishment should this person receive?”
What a disgusting way to make excuses for your kids behavior!
Momma
Visits and letters. I can say 100 percent that's the best..I hope he gets better, and I pray for the children
An 18 yo dating a 16 yo does not make a sexual predator
Ok, but that's not what this call was about, so why bring it up?
@@BunsenHoneydew001 sounds like it was
@@BunsenHoneydew001 that’s why
@@alexatedwyou’re thinking of a different video, this one is about an 18 year old viewing child pornography. No mention of a 16 year old.
My mom has made every excuse for my brother when he was almost convicted. But his were drug related crimes. I wish he was convicted because he was guilty but he got off. Moms need to realize that by making excuses for your kids your only making things worse not only for your child but society as a whole. My brother threatened suicide too and guess what, he didn’t do it, it was all a game to toy with my mom to bail him out. I told her absolutely do not bail him out, he’s a scam artist and most criminals all. My brother is still completely messed up and I wish he was caught at 18, maybe then he could have turned his life around. This is a GOOD THING, that’s my opinion. And believe me my families denials has torn our family apart. Very sad and it takes a toll on the entire family. I feel like I no longer have my brother, I grieve like he’s not here anymore because essentially that’s what this is.
Same but alcohol for my Brother every day since age 17 to now age 64.
Not liking her vibe AT ALL
Tough call! Excellent counselor!
WOW. She isn't only very selfish she's also morally wrong.
this topic is really about porn addiction. banned all porn period, this is affecting all Americans.
Not just Americans. Everywhere, all over the world. Many children in other countries, especially Southeast Asia, supply those videos due to adults wanting to make money off of them and those sickos
Ummm no P*rn is fine.... Not sure why it effects anyone....
Heavily regulate It!
@@MeowthGamer19 no do nothing ever!!! If regulation was a good thing why are there so many poor?
I’ve been addicted to porn since I was 11 and I still have NEVER ever watched cp. stop making excuses pal
This mom’s in denial of the fact that her son is a predator. You don’t accidentally get sent child pornography. My brother is a detective here in Michigan, he’s told me that they don’t even go after people for this unless they have massive amounts of it, her son didn’t have just a few pics if he’s facing prison time. Her only concern should be protecting the people that he will hurt
No. The kids aren’t the victim “too”. The kids are the victim PERIOD.
Your kid deserves the time.. sorry it’s happening to you too. Prepare for real time and prepare for it to not be a good time for him. Tell him to try to get into protective custody or he’s going to be in a really bad spot
I honestly would disown my kid for that one. I could never look at them in the eye again after knowing that about them. Knowing they enjoy that? Nope I want nothing to do with you!
Exactly!
What as a parent how can they not look after their children no matter what?
What I wanna know as an 18 year old man myself is if this kid is in full sound mind…do they not understand that it’s not right mentally to be attracted to things like that? Why not seek out therapy and just be honest? This kid could take accountability and shut it down before it escalated like this. I never get those CP cases. My mom taught me from a young age of how horrible and disgusting predators are.
@@hexmask6587 mom said he has autism and social problems so no I don't think he was or is clear minded and thinking normally
@@hexmask6587
Very true - understand in this case (you can view the court documents/affidavit materials in the federal court website to understand the whole investigation), her son Ethan actually downloaded Kik and used it as a way to find others interested in this material, to make friends with others interested in this material, and engage in discussions about the underlying acts, his friend Sergio was arrested and allowed the FBI to use his account to offer Ethan more of this material and Ethan paid for the material and then proceeded to download 30 files of this material.
Instead of stopping himself and seeking help, he did the exact opposite of what you suggest and did so purposefully
The mother's question to John about support was excellent
Dr. John hit the nail on the head! If he is facing a minimum of 5 years, he did a lot more than receive unsolicited CP!
Dang the crime was much more involved and predatory than she led on initially even deloni was thinking it was pornography and she didnt even correct it. The son was was legit pulling a Subway trying to actually take advantage.
Is there an article to what happened?
Yes
Her son is Ethan Grzywacz, just google his name an Florida State
@@cxa340 damn if this is really him he is a f**ked up person and definitely deserved the time. Sounds like he only got house arrest though so Mom won
@@markieross9449 Her and him can stay under house arrest in domestic bliss for all eternity as far as I'm concerned.
As a parent I can feel her sorrow
Well said Dr John.
Glad that Dr. John noted that likely more texts and exchanges occurred than the mother is letting on. The good news is that her son's jail time will allow him to really rethink how he best wants to live his life. Hopefully he chooses to be an honorable man and a godly man going forward. Not someone involved in sex chats and child pornography.
Yeah her son actually paid for the material and downloaded 31 files
"Godly" men of the book (Christians, Muslims, and Jews) have a penchant for abusing children as well. I do agree with everything else you said though. However, her son may have The Dark Triad or The Dark Tetrad traits in addition to having pedophilic tendencies. If so, that can't be changed.
What the heck? It's not just a case of 'rethink'. Much like you can't 'pray away gay' you can't 'jail out the child attraction'.
@@cxa340 It’s pretty easy to do a google search. The son had over 150 files of children under 12
I am proud of you, brother… I could feel and see your anger… you still loved.
Great example… beautiful job
If someone would of sent me some crap like that, I WOULD HAPPY REPORTED HIM/THEM TO THE AUTHORITIES ASAPPPPPPPP
YEP! Evidence of a two-way transaction right thurr (right thurr!)
The mom is not thinking critically and you can tell she’s reacting emotionally not using her frontal lobe.
The law is the law.
Disgusting! Her son is not a victim
The mother is delusional and completely out of touch, her child is a predator period
this makes me so emotional man jesus
Was that a Waylon Jennings album in background?
This woman sounds like my mom. My brother touched my kid and she took him rite back in and didn't believe he could have done it even though he pled guilty and spent time in jail for it. If he did this then he shouldnt have support
This kid is going into prison with bad paperwork. Those 5 years will be hell if he survives.
yay
Eh, they just get taken out of general pop.
If my child was arrested for child pornography, I wouldn't be angsting about the sentencing, I would be sitting down with him/her and having many serious talks to find out why they are drawn to this stuff and trying to determine what's actually going on here, and what the origin of this curiosity/tendency is, how long it's been present and on and on. This woman seems to think this was just a stupid prank or something. I would be concerned about the eternal soul of my child . . . not whether he's going to end up on a sex offender list. I sure wouldn't be making excuses for it.
Then keep your children away from adult porn. I watched a video about psychologist that works with these ppl after they’ve been locked up and he said the majority of them wasn’t even abused like lots of ppl think, he said most of them had adult porn addiction before they started seeking out illegal stuff
It's pretty simple. He doesn't feel a connection to adult p0rn because they are older and experienced.
Her son was looking for it. It’s very hard to just stumble upon child pron and people aren’t just giving it out