Cheap vs. Expensive Jeans: Key Denim Differences
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00:00 Cheap vs Expensive Jeans: Introduction
Jeans are a hard-wearing, hardworking fabric that rose to prominence on farms and ranches that now also graces high fashion runways. When it comes to jeans, it seems like the gulf in prices between cheap and expensive could not be greater.
00:55 Denim Definitions & Price Parameters
We understand that cheap and expensive are relative terms. What’s cheap for a dedicated denim-head who invests in quality could be considered expensive for someone else. Consider that “cheap” and “expensive” include nuances of quality. Finally, the average price for jeans can vary dramatically according to where you live in the world.
02:25 Comparing Fabric
By definition, jeans are made from denim, fabric made from sturdy cotton that is twill-woven with a distinctive diagonal pattern from the twill-weave. Denim has been around since the 17th century but jeans, as we know them today, really came to prominence in the second half of the 19th century.
As a workman’s fabric, denim was valued for its durability and strength but as jeans have increasingly become a fashion icon even getting paired with sport coats, additional qualities, like softness, unique texture and drape have become more important.
05:42 Comparing Care
It’s usually no surprise that many menswear items require specialized care and cleaning routines but some people are surprised to hear that they might need to handle their jeans with kid gloves. But how you care for your jeans can have a massive impact on their quality which is exacerbated by the initial price of the jeans.
07:46 Comparing Construction & Features
Along with fabric, the cost of manufacturing jeans represents one of the biggest capital investments. And construction methods can vary greatly between cheap and expensive jeans.
Construction also plays a major role in both functional and aesthetic features. For jeans, one of the most important features will be pockets.
10:25 Comparing Fit
Jeans are also cut to fit certain styles. To ensure general appeal, cheaper jeans are usually available only in mid or low-rise. The popular perception is that these rises are more comfortable and appealing. Even though, when properly sized and fitted, higher-rise jeans, like high-waisted trousers in general, are ideal for most men.
12:08 Our General Conclusions
Cheap jeans tend to produce an inferior wearing experience. Low-quality fabric and construction are uncomfortable and unappealing. And cheap jeans tend to be perhaps a little too rough.
Expensive jeans, on the other hand, offer a unique and exceptional wearing experience. That really highlights the sartorial potential of jeans but at an increased cost, not only money but also time and attention for adequate care and maintenance.
Ultimately, the right jeans for you will depend on why you want the jeans.
13:22 Outfit Rundown - Jak na to + styl
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I’d love to see a video on jacket linings. Why are jacket linings so decorative when they aren’t meant to be seen? What materials to look for/avoid? Should the colour/pattern or print be considered when creating a cohesive outfit?Thoughts?
A good idea, Dan! We'll add it to our list of potential topics. Thanks for watching!
- Preston
I'll second that, it must be a Dan thing
Funny enough, over here jeans that look like they passed through a meat grinder are more expensive than the full cut, classic undisturbed ones...
i find it fair enough, its a different style🤷♂️
The distressing on jeans takes time and more resources
Ppl have been wearing ripped jeans since the 80’s and 90’s during the hair metal and grunge eras
The really expensive ones and the better quality ones don't have distressing like raw and selvedge denim
Yes please! A selvedge denim video would be amazing!
I am perfectly satisfied with pairs of Levi's, Wranglers or Lee jeans I find for cheap at thrift stores and such! It really doesn't have to be top of the line pair to look good. Find the ones that are your size and that fit you well and you'll look great!
I agree, but I am short and can not find a good fitting jean.
@@dogrescuer1321 If you are so short that the rise is too long no matter what you buy, then maybe you need boys sizes. If the rise is ok and it's just the leg length, you can always get them shortened. Many dry cleaners have that service, or look for tailors in your area.
@@edennis8578 thanks, a good tailor is priceless.
Growing up on a Wisconsin dairy farm, us kids wore Sears Toughskins, while my father, grandfather and uncles wore Key and Oshkosh (this wasbefore they made kids clothes only). We switched to Lee and Wrangler, whichever was on sale at Target. 30 years ago, I started buying Levis and I was surprised that I could wear a pair for more than a year. Then I found Carhartt and could get two years of wear out of pair. Now I live in Tokyo and if I wanted to spend $200 - $500 on a pair of Selvege jeans, I could - if they ever sold my size here. I went to the Iron Heart store last month, ready to buy a pair, but anything close to my size is only sold in the US , UK and the rest of Europe. So, I'll stick with Carhartt and Levis for the immediate future, at least I can get them shipped over here from Amazon.
I would be so disappointed if I was in the Iron Heart store in Japan and couldn’t buy anything because of my gigantic cyclist thighs.
Maybe I’d buy a jacket lol
I would love to see a video on performance fabric ls in the realm of pants and dress shirts.
Hello and thank you for covering this topic.
Excellent content, as usual. Thanks.
I think it's worth knowing the difference in quality just so you can know whether something is a good deal or not. So that's the good thing about these videos.
OTOH, in this video, it sounds like you're very much _advocating_ for buying the expensive jeans, and I am not sure I agree. I'll bet if we tried to test if people could correctly identify the expensive jeans on sight, most people would fail. And in terms of difference in comfort and resilience...it's subjective of course, but IME the comfort difference is barely noticeable and a pair of jeans costing 20 times as much will not last 20 times as long.
You know, you don’t buy expensive jeans so that other people can identify them as expensive .. Just like you don’t wear a great quality Polo shirt or a suit so that other people think “I bet that was expensive”.
If that’s what you’re looking for, you can just leave the price tag on it ..
@@justinafuchs2619 it's not either or. I mentioned quality, resilience and also how they look.
I've been watching your channel since quite some time.
And I greatly appreciate all the content with the nits and grannies of tradional and well executed menswear. Your channel is really what got me interested in it.
A month or two after discovering your channel I wrote my A-Levels and managed to get a comparatively high score in german because I was able to write about menswear and put my newfound knowledge to paper!
One thing that's been on my mind since very long is the following:
As a quite short (164cm/5'4.5") and slim (48kg/107lbs) gentleman I find it very hard to find off-the-rack sizes for almost all kinds of items, especially with more expensive clothing items.
As those stores selling them seem to have a somewhat limited size range, or to put it different:
Not the size range I need, often ending at sizes comparable to (EU) M, Lots go down to S but then sizes even smaller seem to be almost non-existent!
Sadly the stores that do have the sizes that fit me the best are usually cheap fast fashion oriented.
I am still a young adult (In my early 20's) and most of my clothes stem from the time I stopped growing with 16, I buy clothes somewhat rarely now.
A lot of the stuff does still hold up pretty well
I do try to spend my time looking for new quality clothing to last me a long time but often with no results!
As a university student I am far away from having the budget to get quality made-to measure things.
I know thrift-shopping might be an option but I've yet to find the time and motivation to do so.
Since trying to go shopping even in normal stores has been a draining chore for me in the past, that quickly drained me off motivation.
So I wanted to know, if you at the Gentleman's gazette have any (beginner) tips in that regard!
Great video and keep up the great work as always
for jeans i stick to brands that are aimed at the blue collar market like Dickies and Carhartt. Jeans from the workwear brands tend to last me 10 years or more and are cut to be worked in so they are very comfortable.
How about a video on all the different fabrics & weaves for trousers. Corduroy, Moleskin, cavalry twill, flannel, twill, etc...thanks!
In EU Levi's was marketed as "upper" brand (and Marlboro too), but in US Levis was mainly worn by construction workers (the same with Marlboro). Even in texas people choose Wrangler jeans.
I have worked at a store where classic work clothing is sold! I have learned a lot about denim there!
Could you perhaps tell the name of the store.
Also, cool profile pic.
@@krunoslavkovacec1842 the name of the store is “black and blue”. It’s in the Netherlands tho!
Also, Thanks. (It’s a painting of JC Leyendecker)
@@samuelclaessens7699 I've heard of it, I think.
Met dank :)
@@krunoslavkovacec1842 a man of language! Alsjeblieft!
what have you learned?
Kyle really rocks the jeans + dress shoes/dress boots look! :)
Hi guys, nice video. Thanks a lot. What is the brand and model Preston is wearing??? Looks good
The Wrangler/ Rustler jeans I buy at Walmart for $20.00 last about four times longer than $80.00 Levis.
I for one would certainly like to see a selvedge video from you guys. I really like and trust your videos on clothes, and I would like to understand selvedge denim better.
I like American Eagle jeans (2 for $75) but the continue to shrink. I have a couple of pair for Lucky Jeans (75 bucks) so far so good not much shrinkage. I have bought America Giant ($159 worth the extra everything made in USA from cotton to mfg) they start out stiff but the more you wear them the better they feel. No shrinking at all no fading.
A Part II vídeo is needed with a brand discussion and recommendations.
Recently bought 2 pairs of zegna jeans. The Japanese cotton on them is unreal, definitely recommend over something like Saint Laurent as they’re slightly cheaper but the denim itself is much better.
Absolutely LOVE the funny transition clips :) great way to mix up your already fantastic videos!
When I recently discarded multiple pairs of jeans I had been wearing for 10 plus years, I made the decision to buy high quality replacements from Gustin and Brave star. Some were $88 dollars, some were $150. I do not regret spending the money. That are more comfortable and durable, and are noticeably of higher quality. They each have a different and distinct weave that make them have a slightly different attitude.
I’ve a question. Over the last year, I’ve got into buying and wearing high quality boots. I have two pairs of Trickers and I love them. I’m 72 years old, I rarely wear denims but I do wear slim (not tight!) dark blue and black chinos. Am I too old to roll up the bottoms on my chinos to shoe more of my boots. Last winter, I got into giving my chinos a couple of folds and felt okay about it - am I reaching too far back down the age ladder?
£150 ish is the absolute max spend for me. i'd like to spend more but i just can't do it. that said i get most of my jeans from charity shops, found a pair of Nudie jeans that fit me perfectly for £13 i'm utterly chuffed to pieces with them.
That's quite a find!
@@clee89 yeah, i was really super pleased as you can imagine 8)
hard to find selvedge jeans for less than 150£, sometimes RRL in Sale i can recommend
RAD! Congrats!
what’s your dream pair?
I take it you guys are "The Simpsons" fans? I love the clips!
Jean budget was $20. This vid lets me justify going 40 to 60.
What, no two grand Gucci jeans?
@@krunoslavkovacec1842 the reason I have more money in savings than 90% of Americans is because I don't waste money.
At that price it would only take 3 to 4 pairs to be more wealthy than half of America. Most people can't manage a surprise 5k expense
Agreed. I would much rather have money in the bank over spending $1200 on a single pair of pants.
Quality over quantity 🦾
My favourite go to jeans is Levis Redloop. I usually buy it at a huge discount, which makes it even a better purchase.
You should do a video on selvedge denim
Well, I'm wearing brown in town and after 5pm, too. I don't match leathers sometimes because I think some dark reddish brown tones don't clash with black. But I dress by the rule No Denim Ever.
Carhartt B18, my jeans are for work rather than fashion and comfort is my primary concern. In my younger days, I primarily bought Levi's, at that time, the price for 501 was around $3.50 a pair and cords going for $4.50. I quit buying Levi's mainly after they started down the woke path and outsourcing their products but still capitalizing on their name with higher prices.
What do you mean by the "woke" path?
The denim used by most brands these days is too thin. Carhartt is no exception. I have a pair of B13's and the denim on them is some of the thinnest I've ever felt. The denim on my old pairs of Levi's 550's is quite a bit thicker, but also more pliable. Even though the denim on the Carhartt's is so thin, it's really starchy for some reason. Probably due to poor quality cotton. Bought a pair of Dickies jeans recently too and it's the same deal with them, except they're two inches larger in the waist than what they're labelled as and they're made in Bangladesh opposed to Mexico where the Carhartt's were made. What has happened to these once proud American workwear brands?
Do a cheap vs expensive winter knitwear video heavy fisherman roll necks chunky cable knits that sort of thing.
the more of these things a jean has, the more expensive. raised belt loops and seams, belt loops tucked into waistband, selvedge, rear pocket liners, custom buttons and rivets, natural indigo, hank or hand dyed, custom pocket bags, thick leather patch, chain stitching. this video mentioned almost none of these.
I wear pretty much only black Lewis jeans, and I love them! But recently I spent a bit more for a Tommy hilfiger, and it fits a bit different and it’s one of my favorite pants! PS. Please do a video on Tommy Hilfiger!
$12 knockaround jeans from Costco held up over the years for me.
What are some brands that produce non cheap jeans that you guys suggest?
Could you recommend a few quality brands?
I guess my question for the collective is, how do you go about finding a good fit for higher end jeans. I don't seem to have any sellers of higher end jeans and it would seem I need to purchase online, but I'm very hesitant to do that not understanding how they will fit. Plus the higher end jeans are likely to shrink some, and I'm not sure how to deal with that.
i like rock revival for casual wear and peige jeans for dress casual
Please DO make a selvedge vid!
One day I hope I'll get a nice, proper pair of Japanese denim jeans.
You'll never go back.
take a look at unbranded or even brave star. not made in japan but in the whole selvedge and raw denim arena
what are some name brands of Japanese Jeans?
@@scoobyrex247 Iron heart, tcb, full count, japan blue, warehouse, tanuki, momotaro, samurai, the flat head, sugar cane, studio d'artisan, real mccoys, strike gold, pure blue japan, to name the more known ones.
Look into Brave Star Selvedge. They are VERY reasonably priced and make amazing jeans.
for me the quality of a pair of jeans is also largely measured in uts usefullness and toughness. good, large and many, pockets, and a very solid make. something you could wear down a mine. and then how much else can it still do
Video Idea: looking at the men's wear from the 2022 Emmy Awards. And seeing what could be improved and any common mistakes to let us all know how to wear something correctly. I know you've done various black tie videos, but rating or just critiquing how it's worn with examples could help. From Bryan.
Can’t go wrong with Levi’s.
Idk but I think that Levi's are up there as far as quality is concerned. If I'm wrong, someone please let me know.
They seem to last but never fit well, and are uncomfortable
How do you guys fit your legs in those crazy slim pants? I get claustrophobic just thinking about it.
Jeans were more common in mines than on farms early on. Canvas duck was more common on farms.
Kyle the Style in the Jean Scene. Let's do this!
I’d consider $50 and under cheap and $150 and over expensive.
If $50 and under is cheap. what is $70? Because that's what I pay, roughly.
@@hernspierre-louis7337 I’d consider that middle ground. Realistically the most I’d be willing to pay would be around $200.
@@matt007 I totally agree with you I have a few pairs that are $150 to $200. And I still own those pairs till this day. I totally understand how much it means to buy once cry once. I own about 12 pairs of jeans that are the best pair jeans I've ever purchased. I was just asking.
Around 200 is where solid jeans are. The real overpriced ones start over 4-500. Check out joes jeans, gstar
@@Yarmox For everyday wear I like Gap or Abercrombie. For high end I like 7 Jeans, Joe’s or Diesel.
I have two pair of Tellason jeans and I think they are well worth the extra investment.....awesome products made in the USA
Two Simpsons clips in one episode? Two thumbs up from me! And also, another great video, team ☺️
For me, I look at jeans as an article of clothing that’s first and foremost meant to be practical for labor. Should be reasonably affordable, hold up against a working environment, and look good last. Whether you get straight cut raw Selvedge 100% cotton, or an ultra skinny cotton spandex blend, you can find good quality jeans for under $100. I think anything past that stops being true to the original purpose of the garment.
I’ll splurge on luxurious dressy items like suits and ties. I will not splurge on clothes meant for the working man
Comfort and how well it looks is my priority. Lol
I use to love Levi Strauss 👖 but the quality has gone downhill since the 90's now I prefer to wear Wrangler which are real comfortable jeans.
Would like to see a worth it: jeans comparison
I would love to learn more about raw denim
EU: cheap under 100 EUR and expensive above 300 EUR. For 300 I'm expecting some cashmere 0r silk in them like the ones from Belvest or Tramarossa
$125 is the most I've ever spent on a pair of jeans. Tecovas slim fit. Made of stretchy Italian denim made in Los Angeles, Ca.
Japanese denim explained, would be good
I still have some jeans from the 1980s and 1990s. They are ones that I spent a good bit on and wore a bit less. They are now work ones.
Here in Bangladesh, you can buy a good(avarage) pair of jeans under 500tk (4$)...
I usually spend between 80-130 on jeans. Those seem to fit really well and last a good amount of time.
You can get nice jeans at a work clothes store. The jeans are often 90%+ denim, not distressed, and classically cut.
DU/ER try them on
Rather wear Quality, than quantity! Real Rockabilly wear the Best! Have to look good!!
Over $200 is expensive for me. Would love to hear your take on selvedge and/or raw denim. Oh and do you live in the squat rack ;)?
I prefer Lee Cooper,Lee and wrangler jeans they are soft lasts long and cheaper in India
Wrangler regular fit is good for me.
I would really like a denim suit, casual style. However, I’ve not found any in the U.K.
A Canadian tuxedo?
Can't beat the old wranglers
yeah ngl I never pay more than 30 for jeans. primark has some for 13-18eu that have lasted me YEARS. save ur money folks, buy better suits, thats where the difference in quality really shows if u spend more imo. Great video tho although the "might last you a few months" is a bit misleading imo unless you only own 2 pairs of jeans
My issues are that more expensive jeans tend to be made out of thicker denim, which is fine in the winter but I prefer thin cheap jeans for the summer
A lot of brands make 11oz selvedge jeans for summer
Only jeans that are worth it are Levi’s . They have a long legacy Cost around $70 any other brand or price is ripping you off
not really. my 501s do not last as long as my iron hearts, tcb, or fullcount.
@@surfingmoose well my Levi’s lasting years
@@surfingmoose I haven’t bought new Levi’s in 9 years they are long lasting
@@joeyyy771 9 years? Do not really believe you. They must be patched up and threadbare. If not you barely wear them. I understand what you and me are saying is anecdotal and based on our own experiences. My 501s are toast in less than a year; faded, blown crotch, and at times seams coming apart. Cheap cotton, synthetic indigo, and cheaply made, define Levi's and most brands in that market segment.
Yea and it’s all about your body type too. A man should care about his perception to others. To be seen in good light with dignity and respect are often times noticed by strangers based off attire and hygiene alone. I could never be one of those ,”I don’t care what people think about me” kind of people. That’s just a cop out for not being confident in self. Plus, I think a woman or significant others looks at you more than anyone so giving them a good visual view is just as important as leading, and protecting. Some guys I see, wear carpenters jeans or cargo short… like that’s all they wear. Women don’t find that attractive and if they do, their lying 🤣 but to my point, a Hanes $5 wrinkled tshirt could make one man look like he has on a super cheap tshirt yet an NFL built RB could wear the same tshirt but because of body type, he makes it look 10 times better. I think you have to pay for the beat to look the best but some don’t have to because of body type. It makes everything they wear look good but then body type can keep you from buying this that are classic and nice because it all looks abnormal on the body compared to a slimmer person 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
Ok I’m done ranting 😅
I appreciate videos like this but I wish you would review the quality of specific brands. Expensive doesn’t always mean quality.
The term "denim" derives from the French "serge de Nimes", meaning "serge (a sturdy fabric) from Nimes". Yet the fabric is no longer produced anywhere in France.
When i was in high school i started with Levi's jesns. I really loved them for so many years. At university i was working part time so could afford Tommy Hilfiger and CK. When i started working full time i switched to Diesel. Now after 20 years i only buy Armani and Hugo Boss jeans but i would never bought more expensive as Balenciaga or Bottega Veneta ....
Between vanity sizing and shrinking Jean fits can be almost impossible. I don’t think there should be a universal standard of what a good fit is not everyone has the same preference . Depending on the workout regularity and my diet fluctuations my size goes up and down so expensive jeans are a tough sale for me how many men can say they will wear the same size for decades?
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Kind of interesting that quality shuttle loom denim costs a lot of money, then we beat the $# out of them and never wash them so we can look like cool guys. 😎 We're a special group.
In my experience, denim never lasts decades. Even good jeans I tend to wear out in the crotch eventually. I think about 3 years of frequent wear (1-3 times / week depending on season) is the most I’ve ever gotten out of a pair, and thise were levi’s. I’m not sure if a $2-300 selvedge pair would actually last longer.
I think Levi's jeans are no longer good quality. It's made differently to how it was made before. Imo 3 to 5 years is good, if it was around $30. I never had a $300 jeans before, so I wouldn't know. There been reports that, the old version of Levi's jeans, had lasted over 20 years. Imo the famous Japanese jeans brands, recommended on youtube, do last a long time, if the old versions of Levi's lasted that long.
I'm reluctant to buy expensive jeans, my weight flucturates lol. I had to buy smaller clothes at one point and went back to buying a bit larger. These are factors to consider. I like cheap. Spending $30 to $50 every 5 years is fine for me hahaha
Levis and Wrangler set the standard. When fashion brands sell more expensive models, it leaves me cold.
That reminds me to pick up a new pair of wranglers this weekend.
Personally,i find Paige and Jacob Cogen make the best jeans 👖,Emporio Armani is good as well ,but it all depends on your budget and most importantly your Body shape.
Those designer jeans are worth it because they will last you for years to come
In my opinion the best quality jeans are Levi’s and Ralph Lauren (Polo and RRL).
I'm guessing you're not a denim head by your comment.
@@mrgt3201 But I am, my good sir.
@@mrgt3201 But if U have other suggestions that I may not know about, feel free to share. I’m open to suggestions.
@@RAA10382if you're a denim head then you'll already know there are better quality jeans out there.
@@mrgt3201 Well I’m gonna correct myself then. Deim Head will imply that I MOSTLY wear denim and that definitely is not the case. My wardrobe is VAST and I like to wear everything from casual (slacks, chinos, etc) to utility (cargos) to some denim, to formal. It all depends on the mood and/or occasion. So if u MOSTLY wear denim you might be better versed in denim than I am. But the denim that I do own (Levi’s, Polo Ralph Lauren, and RRL Ralph Lauren), are all very good quality. Are there better ones out there? Perhaps. But I am only speaking on the ones I do own, hence why I said I am open to suggestions.
Levis 501 jeans, quality is getting worse in the UK. I buy a pair every other year and the colour holding out and durability is awful. UK jeans prices start from £85 plus
I'm currently wearing Duluth. Lots of pockets and they tolerate the abuse well. Not best fitting from a style standpoint, but they work and have held up well. Not pure cotton either because I need them to flex.
I usually I wait for the jeans I like to go on sale and pay around $30 dollars a pair. Great video 👍👍
I think if one day I get rich, I’ll splurge $150 on a pair of jeans.. But I feel and look confident and cool shopping off of Levi’s clearance racks and their sales - $40-$45. Levis because they fit me best compared to other brands at comparable price. A $1200 pair of jeans better be coming with rockets 🚀 attach to them because I highly doubt they will increase my confidence or feeling of looking cool..
Big John and Japan Blue from Japan are really good if you can get it. Sometimes, you can get them from vintage sellers like Poshmark. Workmanship is the key. Samurai jeans are also super.
I only wear Japanese jeans. my cheapest are Japan blue at $235 and my most expensive are iron heart at $420. middle is momotaro at $300. they are all great. iron heart is of course my favorite
You need to do a "worth it" episode of Jacob Cohen jeans! I love them and the only jeans I use. But is it worth it?
Today's kids, want jeans with holes pre-made in them or light blue colored jeans. To buy 501 Levi's dark blue jeans cost about $100. Like I said, 501 Levi's jeans lasted practically forever!!
i bought for work wide legged dark blue denim jeans based on the 1930's work jeans from (labour union) can't wait for it to arrive
Denim has left my wardrobe. Each to their own but it was something I decided to leave behind when I hit 40.
sorry to hear that
For me it left but then returned. Cant go wrong with a nice pair of jeans, even in business settings.
Nothing wrong with wearing jeans after 40, but you have to properly nail the fit or risk looking juvenile.
sven in pbj or iron heart when????
A pair of 29oz Ironhearts for Sven 🤣
I dry clean my expensive jeans
only the original ones (oldest makes) with the best fabric (100% cotton)...all the designer ones are not jeans....
Jeans are great, but the pockets are awful. I have to keep changing out my pants every year because my keys keep poking holes in the pocket that I keep them in.
I don’t really care about the price, but they have to fit!! There is really no reason to pay a lot more if every pair has to go to the tailor to take in the waist. Nothing fits if you are athletic with a small waist.
I find € 150 expensive for jeans. So I buy these when the price is reduced 😎
which jeans will last for me working 12 hour shifts?
I really like 7 For All Mankind jeans, they just seem to fit me perfectly