Redrafting the 1989 NHL Entry Draft
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- This draft was stacked with talent who slipped out of the first round.
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Vladimir Konstantinov should've made the redraft. His tragic injury cut him down, but he was an absolute stud.
He was absolutely gonna have a Hall of Fame career until the accident.
Came here to say this.
Konstantinov should be top 5 in this redraft. Huge miss!! At the time of his accident in 97, he was actually a better D Man than Lidstrom.
Thought THG was going to write Konstantinov when he wrote Malakhov 🤷♂
@@dongill9186Agreed If Not For The Tragic Accident That Coast Him His Career
"No defenseman is perfect."
(Looks at number 1 pick) Umm, you sure? Lol
I see what you did there
Was about to write the same thing :D
redwings altered their entire franchise in one draft
And some say that Detroit bought their teams when they were extremely shrewd at drafting players.
@@ekim4363 The only Cup they bought was in 02.
They would have won without those stars... They would have won without any of their stars... You win with the nuts and bolts players... The stars are icing on the cake but the cake is made out of their two grind lines... Without the depth you don't win- ask the core 4 Maple Leaf's... But they do need Stevie Y to win, i admit that. But he was a star who played like he was a grinder- that's what made him special... Crosby is the closest i've seen to him since!
@@v4v819 This is such a terrible take. You need stars and the right complimentary players. The Wing's don't win any of their Cups without Lidstorm or Fedorov. Shanny too.
@@andyholland2130 and the best coach of all time. #LGRW
The red wings had a great 1989 draft. Getting Nicklas Lidstrom in the third round and Sergei Fedorov in the fourth round, roommates as players in Detroit on the road. Setup Detroit success for many seasons.
Detroit also drafted Mike Sillinger, Bob Boughner, Dallas Drake, and Vladimir Konstantinov who played games in the regular season.
@@ekim4363 Boughner never got called up to Detroit. He didn't make his pro debut until 1996, with Buffalo.Amd now he's come full circle, coaching in Detroit.
@@mangrove
Bob played in the NHL from 1995-2006. Played in more games than a lot of other players who were drafted ahead of him in 1989.
Konstantinov was on the 1996-1997 cup
@@JarradBruessel32
And his name is on the Cup for the 1997-1998 Detroit team
@ekim4363 Oh yeah, I am not trivializing his career, but he didn't get a chance until leaving the Detroit org. The original post reads like he played some regular season games there, maybe a misinterpretation on my part.
just shows how good detroit was at spotting talent outside of the 1st rd even the draper trade for a dollar shows they saw somethin in him that made them want him
....can we get our scouts back from Dallas please....oi oi oi
@jceggert7163 with Draper they saw his faceoff ability. I believe he was something like 23-25 one night.
2 picks in, and the Wings fan in me is cringing at the thought of Lidstrom and Fedorov not drafted by the Wings. 😂😂😂
Worst than that Lidstrom on the Avs
not even a wings fan + i was born in 2007 and the thought of them being drafted by another team is still weird to me LOL
How did you omit Vladimir Konstantinov???
@@mangrove I’m assuming he looks at career totals and with Vladdy’s career being cut short, he let him slip through the cracks. THG knows how good Vladdy was and could have been
@@WMUsiv1 nik kronwall was the discount version of konstantinov. THG had a brain fart, vlad is top 10 in a redraft for certain.
@mangrove I really believed he didn't see his name. Shannon loves Vladdy, has said so many great things of Vladdy over the years. I think he just overlooked his name on the list
My heart hurts seeing that Lidstrom might have been an Av, ew.
yeah
For real..lol
Dude, I freaking love Arturs Irbe as a kid. I even had his Sharks jersey.
Jeez, I never really thought about where Lidstrom and Fedorov were drafted. Maybe Datsyuk and Zetterberg were still bigger steals when you look at how far down they fell, but Lidstrom and Fedorov were some of the most impactful players of all time so...
And no GMs and scouts learned a lesson in -89, Detroit must have laughed their heads off ten years later😂
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Zmolek actually had himself a bit of a career: 467 career games, 64 career points and 905 PIMs across 10 seasons between the Sharks, Stars, Kings and Blackhawks.
Ya, that's way more than a handful of NHL games.
Red Wings had the best draft of any team in NHL history. Konstantinov was going to win a Norris or multiple he was one of the best and toughest players ever.
If the 1996 avs had Lindstrom on their blue line, they could have been the greatest team of all time, but instead, it's the 2002 red wings, the actual team he was on.
Oh boy that roster was beyond amazing
It’s Lidstrom, no ‘n’ in his last name
@@ekim4363 Its Lidström, in swedish his name is with an *Ö* and not an O.
Incredible draft! lot of my fav players growing up ! Doug Zmolek got in more than just a handfull of games..am pretty sure he played in almost 500 !
Hey if you wanted a video idea... Im curious as to how the hell do the Red Wings kept picking Hall of famers late... Lidstrom, Federov, Zetterberg, Datsyuk...
Detroit was scouting players in Europe before most other franchises did. In 1989, the Detroit GM at the time said who is the best 18 year old in the world and to draft him, that was Sergei Fedorov at the time.
Picks like Datsyuk and Zetterberg who were overlooked since they were big (muscle wise) prospects. Detroit has a chief European scout named Hakan Andersson who found these players and recommended to management to draft them. Detroit’s management actually trusts Andersson and his prospect recommendations.
Yeah…I would have had Konstantinov on the list as well. Detroit drafted him in the ELEVENTH ROUND !!!
I remember all those names after all these years. And i wasn't following NHL that closely at the time. Proof of quality draft year.
Adam Bennett taught me power skating in the early 2000’s. I credit him for upping my game!
Red Wings were going to draft Bure too, but the Canucks got him just a few picks beforehand.
Nice showing by red wings legends! One that I really hoped to have seen even as an honorable mention would have been Konstantinov. At 221st he became an above average solid defenseman with a bit of a scoring touch. That limo crash really took a seemingly dominant career away from him. I still wonder to this day how many more cups could we have won with Vladdy at the blue line. He was taken too soon.
@stevekendra8983 Better than above-average, a legit Norris finalist, and he was just getting started. He easily could have played 20 years with Nick, and everyone would mention him in the same breath as Stevens and Chara.
"Stuuuuuuuuuu Barnes!" Another classic RJ call.
One of my all-time favorite Sabres!
As a Wings fan, I knew this video was gonna be fun. Honestly, the Wings 89' draft might be the best single draft a team had in league history.
hmm I would have put Foote at 7th and Draper at 9th but that's just me. Great redraft!
honestly didn't know Konstantinov was in this draft. he 1000% should be there.
wow, Buffalo could have had Fedorov! That would have been a dream of mine.
Konstanov should be in the top 10. He literally had Norris votes before his career was ended. Would have been a hof contender with a full career
Man the Red Wings cleaned up in this draft. 3 guys in the top 21 that weren’t there before and one that was already there and then Draper eventually coming here. AND THEN Konstantinov.
I'm a Wings fan and while watching this waiting for the Detroit pick I thought, who's better than Mike Sillinger? Then you pick him at 11 anyway. That was awesome. Thanks for this vid.
and he ended up playing for half the league, basically
@@doaftheloaf
Nothing wrong with being wanted by playoff teams and getting traded for. Mike was good at faceoffs and responsible in the defensive zone.
Nick Lidstrom, Sergei Federov, Mats Sundin, Pavel Bure, Bill Guerin, Bobby Holik, Robert Reichel, Adam foote, Olaf Kolzig, Donald Audette, Stu Barnes, Patrice Brisebois, Dallas Drake, Kris Draper,
Mike Sillinger, number 11 to Detroit. Another player who had to retire after having hip resurfacing surgery.
Mike was a solid NHL center. He was traded to playoff teams wanted a center who was good at face offs and was good defensively. No shame in that and played for a while in the NHL.
At the time I had Jason Herter ranked as my #1. I never got a G.M. job in the NHL.
Even when he praises the wings he disses them by ommitting konstantinov
Toronto having 3 draft picks was useful until you realize that Harold Ballard seemingly didn't allow scouts to travel farther than Belleville
Pavel Bure and Teemu Selanne in Winnipeg would have been something!
Would be interesting to see Lidström on the otherside of the Avs Red Wings rivalry.
Funny thing is Toronto Maple leafs loved the Belleville Bulls (Former Ohl team) that year as Scott Thornton, Rob Pearson and Steve Bancroft all played for the Bulls. Steve Bancroft is a real estate agent just about a half hour north of Belleville now
Nice one but a GIANT mistake not having Konstantinov in your top 10 (if not top 5). Still, good job on making that summer content for all of us, it is very much appreciated!
No way Vladdy doesnt make the redraft. Name must've gotten overlooked
Now ! This is classic Nordiques wear . ❤
Love the hat!
My first thought was "Could Lidstrom have saved the Nordiques?" Then I threw up in my mouth a little when you mentioned him in Colorado.
The year I was born! Time to look into a bit of history.
Even though it'd make me a happy Habs fan, I'm surprised to see Olympian Adam Foote drop to 13. Subjective, I know. Not a knock.
As a wings fan, I’d have him at 5 or 6 on this list. He was a beast to play against.
I remember an early game Dave Chyzowski played for the Islanders when he came down on the net and blasted the puck past the goalie and I said, "The Islanders have found their new Bossy", LOL. My scouting wasn't any better than the NHL pros. This must be the most upside down draft ever with most of the good guys getting picked in the later rounds.
"Montreal fans don't turn on their own the way they used to"
I'm mostly going off reddit, but seeing how they talk about Mathesson, Anderson, Harris; Weber, Danault and Price before the run, Drouin when he was here, Reinbacher and Slafkovsky when the picks were made, I think there is still plenty of vitriol
Reddit hates everyone. I ignore Reddit for my own sanity.
i don't wanna crap on matheson too much, we still need to get something for him. it's just that he plays efense. that's not a typo. anderson...last year was awful in every way, and in general he's a guy with all the tools and no toolbox. harris doesn't deserve any hate - he's a solid bottom pair dman a team would be glad to have. he keeps his game simple and plays smart. the problem in montreal, with an overabundance of young dmen, is that he is expendable and the most logical to trade.
danault was miscast as a 1C or 2C here. he can get 40-50 points a year, but on a good team he should be a shutdown 3C. that's not his fault we couldn't draft a scoring center to save our life. i hope michael hage doesn't fall victim to this curse. any hate price and weber got was completely based on their contracts alone.
reinbacher...hughes was drafting by position, not by BPA. that could bite him, but i see reinbacher as a seabrook or mcdonagh type. he'll be the type of player every team needs in order to win in the playoffs. the habs will stick him next to hutson and he'll mostly be there to cover for lane's adventures.
slaf had a lackluster rookie season, but he didn't look ready and then he got hurt. this last season, he took a gigantic step forward. now everyone loves him. don't write off your prospects as busts when they haven't even hit 20 yet.
I remember Rob Zamuner playing on Canada's 1998 Olympic team...a bit of a controversial choice, to say the least!
i'm glad he got in and messier didn't. that arrogant jackass didn't deserve it, the way he was destroying the canucks at the time.
Wow, that draft started off exciting and then dropped off a cliff fast lol Went from HOF's to middle 6'ers really fast, and nothing in between. I think Foote should have been in the top 8ish. He was a great shutdown D. He just didn't get a ton of points.
Also, Draper was a winner. Shutdown C. Should have gone higher as well
Draper dollar is crazy. A bag of pucks is more expensive.
Best dollar ever spent by the Detroit Red Wings.
Doug Zmolek did actually play more than a handful of games in the NHL. 467 over ten seasons in all. Minnesota drafted him, but he started with San Jose in 1992-93, possibly acquired in the expansion draft. Then he went to Dallas, then the Kings, and finally Chicago. Fairly stable defenseman, but he was more of a tough guy so he played less and less as fighting started to taper off.
Yeah there is two way of looking that pick. Zmolek was bit of reach on that draft compared to expectation and looking in hindsight ton of better players drafted after him. Not a good pick.
But from another view. He was fairly close of being top 10 D picked in that draft. And almost half of the first round picks did not even end up being NHL players. So as second round pick he would have been good pick. So not a horrendous blunder.
That top 4 is absurd
Love to see Artūrs Irbe get the recognition he deserves :)
I went to high school with Byron Dafoes son in Kelowna.
Can't believe everyone still remembers those 5 idiots that kept booing Brisebois all those years later...
I was super excited when we got Malakhov (in the Turgeon trade) even though I was sad to see Schneider go (and Muller). Malakhov obviously didn't live up to expectations in Montreal (but few players do).
What I mean is as an Islander early on in his NHL career, it looked like potential to break out into an elite offensive defenseman was there.
By my count and adding the erroneous omission of Konstantinov 18 out of 21 were NOT drafted first round.
Amazing.
MalAkhov pronounced with the emphasis on the second "A". And French pronunciation with "h" rather than "k" is correct.
Habs fans turned on Brisebois because of his contract, mostly, but I can tell you we'd take him all day every day ahead of Malakhov, haha.
Brisebois had a rough start with the habs, but I believe most of the hate dissipated once he came back older and with a lesser role.
How can you say with a straight face, you can make your mind up whether Fedorov is an upgrade for Chesowski!!! Lol. They don't even compare.
lol Jasons did not hit in the first round of this draft! This was the first year I watched hockey, and I remember these names, still.
Quebec needs a team again, those jerseys are awesome.
The story of how the Wings discovered and drafted Lidstrom deserves a video of itself (not sure if shannon has already covered it).
Who would’ve thought a 6’ 160 pound defenseman from Sweden would become what he did.
It is more interesting how many of the scouts got the players wrong.
Larry Robertson!?! How dare you! Stupid Hockey Guy! 😂🤣
like current stars forward jason robinson?
One day there will be a 1992 redraft 🤞
Dallas Drake... 1009 NHL Games 👍🏼
What's crazy is the wings tried to draft pavel bure the round prior but it was the first round he was ineligible and they would lose their pick if they tried to draft him
12 rounds
HabsFanSez: every single time a Habs would make a bone-headed defensive play I would always yell at the TV:
"WHO IS THAT?!?!?!"
"TURN AROUND! WHAT'S YOUR NUMBER?"
"THIS BETTER NOT BE NUMBER 43 AGAIN!!!"
"UGGGGGHHHHH!!!"
ah yes, breezeby.
As a Habs fan, I always thought Brisebois was treated harshly. The Habs had a TON of problems in the late 90's and early 2000's and he was made a scapegoat
So Toronto already had a history of fn up the drafts. xD
Cant believe Holik was drafted that early!
Arturs Irbe, there is a name I haven't heard in ages. I thought he was fine, though I think he was the goalie of record when the Flames beat the Sharks 13-1 (feb 1993)
Hey Hockey Guy, not sure if you’ll read this or not but could you do another 2017 redraft? I think there’d be a lot of movement since the last one.
Malakhov : its the k of i know i dont know and h . So mala''hov
I hated the prime wings as an avs fan, but can say that Lidstrom is the 2nd best d-man to ever play (behind orr).
That pains me to say as a huge ray bourque fan
I am a butt bot but I forgot my picture GO COYOTES
I'd have Foote 5 or 6!
Guerin won a cup with Sid
Ah Vladimir Malakhov reminds of my childhood love Claude Quenneville at la soiree du hockey btw I still don't understand why they boo Patrice Brisebois to this day
No Canadians in the top 8 (Kolzig moved to Canada as a teenager but didn't apply for citizenship)
Imagine Bure AND Selanne in Winnipeg
Ah yes. Jason Herter. Thank god they snuck in Pavel Bure as a pick to make me forget.
Olaf Kolzig's name next to a logo not Washington grinds my gears.
I would take Sundin over Fedorov.
1989 was a _12_ round draft, in fact. I believe it was 12 rounds right up through '94 before it was dropped to 9 after the lockout (dropping to the modern 7 round draft after 2005, of course).
As for the draft itself, I'd put Draper ahead of Drake and probably pick Marshall, Haller or Zmolek ahead of Thornton (maybe Woolley, even?) at 21.
Drake always seemed like a poor-man's Draper until he signed that god-awful contract in St Louis (4 years, 9M total - was a different time, lol). He never really looked good as a top-6 with them and pretty much always performed best as a 4th line energy guy.
Thornton's career wasn't much to look at, and defensemen will always be more valuable. I'd probably go with Haller there as the better overall talent, but Woolley did play longer and was more offensively gifted. Zmolek did play almost 500 games, but retired at 29. Was a good mobile defenseman with a bit of a mean streak, but didn't really have any offensive upside. Still not sure if he retired from injuries or not, but seems likely the case I think. Can't see why no one would be interested in a big defenseman under 30 that could skate well (relatively) at that time. Especially since the league was expanding.
How long have I missed the photo of Bettman in the background? 😄 At least it looks like Bettman to me.
Only my maple leafs could make 3 terrible first round picks in a single draft that was stacked with incredible talent throughout. Pain.
Bruins 2015...?
So, Flyers traded two #1 picks for Ken Wregget. 100 games, 40something wins, and missed out on all these players. Philly really has had a terrible awful draft/trade history haven't they? It's shocking they had so many wins.
I like these redraft videos, but get frustrated at ones like this one, where the Kings didn't have their picks, having traded them to Edmonton in the Gretzky deal.
Steven Rice....as far as I know...the only player to play for the Kitchener, Binghamton and New York Rangers.
Bure had the 2nd best Peak!
If this draft shows anything, its that Jason was a very popular name back then lol. 4 Jason's taken in the first 21 picks of this draft.
Jason here
Ah a British first rounder... you love to see it
Just think. you prob could have drafted all of the top 6 on 1 team and there was no salary cap. Could you imagine having all of them on 1 team?
Habs fan here, the reason for the Brisebois hate was Quebec sports media (both French and English) building him up as the next great defender and then blaming him for not reaching an impossibly high standard. I was at the Molson center for one of the games where some fans booed but me and my friend started calling out these morons and at least some did shut up. Patrice was a good second pairing defenseman for most of his career, I liked him a lot. I also liked Gainey calling these fans jealous and yellow.
brisebois was booed because he didn't retaliate when trent mclaren destroyed zednik in the playoffs vs boston. he just skated over him and did nothing.
@@chrisbelos2834 The game I was at was in 1996, years before Zednik got badly hurt in 2002. Brisebois had been booed off and on for years. You're a little late.
Foote is top 10 for me. I also miss the days of just insane trades. Kris Draper for $1. How badly did the Jets need a dollar?
i'll trade anderson or gallagher for $0.50 now.
those trades still happen, we just call it future considerations.
Brisebois was solid
As good as the Red Wings draft in 89 was, its crazy to think they almost drafted Bure in the 5th round instead of McCosh (9 games played in the NHL.) They were a little too uneasy with the eligibility questions to pick Bure in the 5th, but were "definitely" going to pick him in the 6th if he was still available. Vancouver took him a few spots ahead of the Wings. One of the few rather dumb decisions, in hindsight, the Wings made in that draft.
Just wondering off the top of my head how many of those players were drafted out NCAA hockey program?.. my guess is not many if any compared to today there’s a lot more
If only the Whalers had drafted Lindstrom and Federov in the later rounds. Red Wings picked right after the Whale.
top 7/8 from Europe