MS59-1 Salafis vs Quranists: Who is right?A way to resolve 1200 year-old disagreements among Muslims
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- If you understand Surah 9 you understand that in Surah Al-Tawbah which is Surah 9 which some scholars call the revealer of scandals it details the actions of several of the companions of the prophet (saw), during the last year or 2 of his life, doing some things that were at best questionable, those companions ended up being in charge of Islam after the assassination of Ali Ibn Abi Taleb, as we explained the Umayyads, now those Umayyads ended up controlling for three full generations 95 years.
So, the question is how much should we trust our Islamic literature? This question has worried every single scholar, because they all are aware of this problem, and yet they didn't have a way to deal with it
So, and then we had this tension for a long time and we still do, the first group is part of stage one identity, the second group a spark of stage 2 identity, so the Quranists and the Mu3tazilites before them are simply revolting against what everyone knows is a problem in our literature, so they didn't have a way to detect and discern right from wrong within our literature, so the solution for the first group is don't worry about the problem just accept everything, and the solution for the second group the Quranist or the Mu3tazilites in the old days, is to throw everything except the Quran and both are wrong, both are misguided with respect to this specific issue, now why didn't they come up with a third option which we offer on this channel, which is the methodology because they didn't think that the Quran may provide its own methodology, don't ask me why Allah (swt), clearly tells us that we should ask for the self-correcting methodology, we say it in every time we recite Al-Fatiha, and in many other Ayah(s).
So, Allah (swt), was talking about this but the Umayyads and the Pharaohs of those times modified the very meaning of self-correcting itself, and therefore Muslims were not able to see that there is a methodology in the Quran, on top of this the Umayyads or the Pharaohs of those times encouraged Muslims to look at the Quran as they would look at a volume Poetry, and therefore there were a lot of different confusing concepts thrown in the mix to distract people from finding the methodology.
So, this methodology with the Abrahamic locution gives us that power for the first time in the history of Muslims, for the first time, were able to use this methodology to sift and discern through the literature to detect if a Hadeeth for example is reported to us on the authority of a close companion, that close companion must have known about the Abrahamic locution, which the prophet (saw), used in his speech because he only spoke Quran, he only said things that go along with the Quran, he could not have said anything that would violate Is the integrity of the language of the Quran, so what we're saying is that language of the Quran is based on the Abrahamic locution, and therefore if you see a Hadeeth where a certain term from the Abrahamic locution, is used in the wrong way know that this Hadeeth is wrong somewhere it's wrong, either it's reported by a companion who was not part of the core group of companions or somewhere along the chain of transmission that Hadeeth got corrupted, and it is not authentic enough.
So, we look at everything that is in our literature and we do not throw it away we apply historical critical evaluation methods, we also apply critical thinking, but most importantly with the organic Quranic methodology the one we use in this channel, and the 1 that includes the Abrahamic locution that we keep talking about, and I keep illustrating for you with every new segment with this methodology we can sift through the literature to discern between right and wrong, and this changes everything.
Now we have somebody shining a light on what was previously a totally dark field, where everybody was looking in the dark for the truth. may Allah (swt), keep us on the right path.
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Following the Quran and something else isn’t possible for someone who’s genuinely convinced by the Quran.
@@heruherdi_an it’s redundant if it’s just repeating what the Quran says you have the Quran so what use is it
Alhamdulilah, Truth stands manifest from error. May Allah bless all your efforts IA and may you grow from strength to strength.
Short n Sweet……the world has been waiting for this explanation!
Again thank you so much Dr Hany…..forever indebted.
May Allah SWT gives you the best of health and rewards you in abundance. Wasalam
Alhamdulillah
The most brilliant and vivid examination of the early history of Islam in less than 10 minutes that I have ever heard!
Salamun Alaikum. I look forward to your translation of the Quran Sir. Thank you and may the Good Lord take good care of you. May you be safe and healthy.
Mashallah. I just started reading Nahj al Balagha, and as my questions started piling up I came across this video.
Read your other comments that this is something to potentially be revisited later on; I’ll continue watching and look forward to learning more about these cross references
HayakAllah, Akhi. Thank you for this great knowledge!
Alhamdulillah. You too bro
Educative, may Allah guide us to the truth.
Alhamdulillah. May Allah keep us on the right path. May Allah bless your efforts Dr Hany and company.
Alhamdulillah
Thank you, Dr. Hany! Such a clear and bold presentation, although I honestly don't want to get caught up in group "labeling" issues, because I want to focus on the characteristics as you call "the third stage" on the journey to Islam. But, InshaAllah, I can understand the purpose of the "placement" of the label to define such a group of characters in this presentation.
"For the sake of "al-asr". Indeed, mankind is in loss. Except for those who have faith and do "'amilush-shoolihat" and advise each other by using the character of "al-Haqq" and advise each other by using the character of "ash-shabr".
May Allah make it easy for all of us in maintaining the purity of our intentions in this da'wah. Aameen!
Can you explain it so that I can clearly understand your points, I've heard those words before in this channel, but I forgot the details, please explain to me in english, I would appreciate your help.
@@skidachilles3749 Kindly watch prior presentation in this channel regarding Malcolm X.
@@abinehdikra376 ok, thanks
@@skidachilles3749 My pleasure!
the end true islam when the ummayah become kings…. they were in absolute power which corrupt absolutely….. the tafseer we hv today was from the reign of ummayah dynastic…it is very possible the hadith were currupted inorder to serve the govt interest
Mashah Allah!
Wa u alliumu-ku-lllah.
May Allah teach/ guide/ educate us with the knowledge to understand what he infact revealed to us via Qur'an.
Aameen
Aameen
Allah says in Quran “In what hadith will they believe after this?”
Khalas.
Which side are you taking?
You are corect
people can mental acrobat their way through everything if they want
Alhamdulillah...Blessings upon us knowledge, Insha'allah wa a'laikum salam.
Alhamdulillah
Ameen ...
Thank you dr. hany for bringing the truth to light
Alhamdulillah
To follow the example of the messenger is not following some other books besides God’s book, especially hearsay books, Messenger’s example is being a monotheist, serving God alone, not reading some hearsay books and growing a beard.
Peace
True.. True
God's book Vs. Man made booksss
I take God's book quran.
@@salahudeenm.s.6775 good choice, the same choice our beloved Prophet Muhammad SAW made.. Alhamdulillah..
@@ShabnoorMaved you realize
hadiths are sayings of the prophet, right?
A crucial topic that matters explained in measure to advance forward to the enlightenment and power of the truth in the Quran and Hadith using Abrahamic locution and Quranic methodology .
Thanks for the explanation, Dr Hany. How can one tell if a certain term in a Hadith is used in the wrong way? I would really appreciate your advice.
Salamun alaykum! Thank you Dr. Hany I got the message.
It is generally not advisable to completely discard past history in the hadiths as it provides valuable lessons, insights, and information that can be used to inform present and future decisions.
The events of the past have contributed to shaping the world and the societies we live in today.
Studying and understanding history in the hadiths can help us to better understand the world we live in, the reasons behind current events, and how to address them.
However, it is important to keep in mind that history in the hadiths can also be subjective, biased, and incomplete, and we should be careful to critically examine and evaluate different sources of historical information.
Salamun Alaikum. Jazakallah khairan. Thank you for this clarification. I hope you can complete your work in providing a Tafseer for the Quran soon so that together we can move on to Hadith as well. Inshallah you will be rewarded
I wanted to ask, have you discussed your methodology with qualified experts of Arabic linguistics? What is their opinion on your research?
It is based on the works of Arabic experts. Plz watch other videos to learn more
@@MarvelousQuran Yes I understand that. But I was curious about this research regarding the Abrahamic locution and other new insights in your video being peer reviewed , because to the best of my knowledge, you are the only expert in linguistics right now who has made any mention of the Abrahamic locution. Please correct me if I’m wrong.
You are correct
Salamun Alaikum, the term Quranist is new to me, can you please explain why you consider this term to be derogatory in nature?
My second question is regarding Nahj Al balagha, Can you please point put the parts of this book that you consider as pure nuggets and the parts that you think are not authentic?
Insha Allahh in the future. It would not benefit you right now. We have many concepts that we have not covered yet, which would be needed to appreciate the nuggets.
Regards
@Marvelous Quran, salaamun alaykum.
Keep up your good works. Don't worry about the negative comments of few. TRUTH HURTS.
Love from Bangladesh.
Love to Bangladesh my brother
Dr Hany
I saw you many times repeat that there were som close companions whose actions were questionable in the last years of the prophet, as Surah At-Taubah reveals . Could you shed some light on who these companions were and what were their wrongdoing?
We never said "close companions whose actions were questionable". We said companions, meaning contemporaries. The close companions within our beloved SAWS inner circle would never do such actions.
To learn more, read Surah 9 Surah At-Tawbah
Hadith is man made. Quran claims to be complete. Anyone who wants to dispute that is arguing with Allah, not me. Quran said that Nabi Muhammad was forbidden to teach anything other than Quran or else the revelations to him would have been stopped.
Many Muslims today, whether they admit it or not, see Hadith as equal to Quran.
Out of my own fear of Allah, I would rather not dabble in something that may be corrupted. Parlor games like the broken phone game or Chinese whispers game reveal how quickly a message can be changed over time through multiple transmission in just one day with just a few people. If you scale that up to over a thousand years and add hundreds of fallible humans, the chance for error goes up exponentially. Why risk it?
When I come before the Creator, will I be punished for rejecting the man made Hadith? If I accept Hadith, there is a chance I may be accused of rejecting Quran.
In that case, all my prayers, all my worship becomes null and void. It is, by definition, shirk to believe anything else but what was given by Allah.
Brother, don’t be stupid. You need to follow the authentic Hadith to fully understand the message of the Quran. For instance, the Quran says to pray but it doesn’t explain how to do so.
@Dw Sir If you cannot be polite in your comments, you will be banned. Very simple!
If you want to make an argument while remaining polite, then you are welcome to rephrase your comment
I have a question, can we know the biography of the Prophet (S) from the Qur’an? Much of the Seerah literature is likely how the Prophet (S) was remembered by the Abbasids at the earliest. We do not seem to know how the Prophet (S) was remembered by the Umayyads as there is no surviving Seerah literature from that period.
We can know all the relevant facts about Rassool SAWS from the Quran. Whatever Allahh did no mention is irrelevant to our reaching Jannah, although interesting from a historical point of view
Very true about the dark story of Islam
Can pl describe it in Urdu and other languages , like Arabic ,asian etc pl it's very important to the Asian people's
Thank you Dr. Hanny, I am one of the people who reject Hadith in total, simply because of lots of inconsistency, descripancies,. Almighty Allah warned us to speak straight and many at times these Hadith call Haram (forbids) what Almighty Allah never mentioned in the Quran. Based you this your presentation, I will consider only Hadith you propound base on Abrahamic locution. Salam
Dr can u talk about the what the right hand possee in the quran
Insha Allahh.. But there are higher priorities. Slavery is not an issue in the time being.
Disagreement among Islamic sects is a major problem that is causing millions to die every year.
That settles the problem once and for all !
Assalaamalaikoem Brother
Can you send me the video were you talk about the assenation of Ali
We don't have such a video. We don;t deal with history as a primary concern. We deal with the Quran, and only refer to history as a secondary affirmation of a hypothesis if such hyothesis is confirmed and verified already by the Quranic methodology
My advice: Plz watch as many videos as you can so that you get to appreciate the power of the methodology and the Abrahamic locution.
It is best if you watch the videos in the sequence they are presented, because they build on each other
What a mess. It is not possible to find level plumb square in Islam. This makes it impossible for anyone beleiving in the religion to pass through the door of truth.
From one line.. that Muhammed is an example to follow . To follow in what? In the quaran? Or in his shadows? That is enough for the conclusion to do everything exactly like he did? Because the Quran also said. He was a human like all of us and would also be judged on his last day.
Would you post the research you did on Nehj ul Balagha ??
May be later Insha Allahh. Not our priority now.
Great
May i know what does MS label at the title stands for?
Can you please go through specific examples from Nahj al Balagha in order to exemplify the Abrahamic locution used by the close(est) companion(s) of the prophet (pbuh)? Thank you beforehand.
It requires many advanced vocabulary terms that we have not covered yet on this channel.
@@MarvelousQuran Thank you for your reply.
كلامك صحيح
قال تعالى
﴿يا أَيُّهَا الَّذينَ آمَنوا أَطيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطيعُوا الرَّسولَ وَأُولِي الأَمرِ مِنكُم فَإِن تَنازَعتُم في شَيءٍ فَرُدّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسولِ إِن كُنتُم تُؤمِنونَ بِاللَّهِ وَاليَومِ الآخِرِ ذلِكَ خَيرٌ وَأَحسَنُ تَأويلًا﴾
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جزاك الله خير
مسلم وكفى
Dear Dr and Team,
Your comments are proof positive that you have the best interest of Muslims at heart. It is clear that you are trying to join us rather than divide us.
I also agree with you that we should avoid labels as they only increase our division. Allah certainly does not want that for us!
6-159 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ فَرَّقُوا دِينَهُمْ وَكَانُوا شِيَعًا لَسْتَ مِنْهُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ ۚ إِنَّمَا أَمْرُهُمْ إِلَى اللَّهِ ثُمَّ يُنَبِّئُهُمْ بِمَا كَانُوا يَفْعَلُونَ
However I disagree with a few issues you stated in your video:
1- The example of the Messenger PBUH from a religious point of view is only to be found within the Quran and to search for that anywhere else, in my opinion, is a mistake. Allah states that in this book he has given us every example and that (again in my opinion) includes examples of the Messenger PBUH.
17-89 وَلَقَدْ صَرَّفْنَا لِلنَّاسِ فِي هَذَا الْقُرْآنِ مِنْ كُلِّ مَثَلٍ فَأَبَى أَكْثَرُ النَّاسِ إِلَّا كُفُورًا
2- Even if you find the Abrahamic Locution in the books of the Hadith that does not give it any more credibility as we will still be studying books other than the Quran for our religious guidance.
68-37 أَمْ لَكُمْ كِتَابٌ فِيهِ تَدْرُسُونَ
3- Let's say that we use the Locution with the books of the Hadith and find hadiths that do not have the Abrahamic Locution then those would be considered as false, correct? Accordingly if the Abrahamic Locution is found in them then they are true, as long as they don't contradict the Quran, correct? If that is the case then why do we need them in the first place? If they are false then we don't need them and if they are true then they are already in the Quran!
39-23 اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحْسَنَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتَابًا مُتَشَابِهًا مَثَانِيَ تَقْشَعِرُّ مِنْهُ جُلُودُ الَّذِينَ يَخْشَوْنَ رَبَّهُمْ ثُمَّ تَلِينُ جُلُودُهُمْ وَقُلُوبُهُمْ إِلَى ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ ۚ ذَلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهْدِي بِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ ۚ وَمَنْ يُضْلِلِ اللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ مِنْ هَادٍ
The Quran IS and always will be the only righteous speech (حديث) as guidance from Allah (SWT) the only Guide!
I totally agree with you that we should not discount those books from a historical point of view and we should use them as a way to know what that age was like as we have no knowledge of Islamic history prior to Al-Tabari (if I am wrong about this any reference to anything prior would be greatly appreciated) But to use it as a religious text, in any form , I'm afraid I must disagree.
With all due respect and sincerity
سلام عليكم
Salaamun Alaykum
Good comment. Thank you for your kind words... I appreciate your taking the time to write with such passion and clarity and respect.
Let me answer your most pertinent question: why do we need the hadeeth in the first place?
I ran into a hadeeth of Abdullah Ibn Abbass, that uses the verb "Natamaara" "نتمارى" in a context which clearly means "to interrogate each other" or "to question each other" or "to learn from each other". While using the Quranic methodology, I discovered that other derivative forms of the same gerund "مري" are used in Quranic prohibitions to our beloved SAWS. Now, these prohibitions are part of our Quran and they are essential for us to understand what our beloved SAWS was instructed to do, right?
The Quran, according to the methodology, clearly told our beloved to avoid discussing some topics and stories with Jews and Christians. Regardless of the reason I discovered for such prohibition, you will agree that this is not an easy conclusion to swallow, until I could verify that the indication of that verb "مري" was commonly accepted during the early centuries in the same way that my research produced...
And this is where the Hadeeth I mentioned above came into good use: To confirm that the result of the methodology is legitimately in accordance with how people understood the verb DURING THEIR TIME! So we don't use it as a religious text, but they could be useful as a historical linguistic source (kinda).
That external affirmation allowed me more confidence. Please note that, had I not found any historical linguistic affirmation, I would still accept the results of my methodological toiling. But with the external affirmation, I had a little more confidence, in addition to having a readily available argument against those who reject the Quran-only interpretation, if ever I had to convince them of the Quranic indication of the verb "مري"...
So I will never recommend to dismiss all the collections of Hadeeths, because they could be used:
1. for linguistic confirmation, just to give us a warm and fuzzy affirmation, but never to act as a veto stick over the results of the methodology, and
2. for preserving a historical record of who the bad guys were, and what kind of schemes they carried out! This is a very important part because the Quran itself told us that Allahh shall reveal their accounts. In other words, preserving these collections is in itself a Quranic enjoinment upon the believers.
There are other benefits for the collections of historical books, but this is enough for now!
Thanks again
Regards
@@MarvelousQuran
Good Dr,
Thank you for your kind words.
I also thank you for clarifying the reasons why you value the books of Hadeeth which makes complete sense. I will be looking forward to your next video with great anticipation.
سلام عليك
Respected sir, how can a layman consult Ibrahimic Locution in order to understand Quran?
The work on the Abrahamic Locution should have been preserved from the days of our beloved SAWS.
But it was lost or unpublished or prevented from being published! (You choose)
We need to recreate this lexicon that was lost when all the close companions were either killed or prevented from teaching it to their followers.
We on this channel are trying to be the beginning of the solution! We are NOT the problem my brother!
Waleikum Salam !
Sorry, I do not quite understand your criticism of the Mu3tazilah! As we all know, started by Wāṣil ibn ʿAtāʾ (700-748 واصل بن عطاء), an important Muslim theologian and jurist of his time, and considered to be the founder of the Muʿtazilite school of Kalaam. He initially studied under Abd-Allah ibn Muhammad ibn al-Hanafiyyah, the grandson of Ali Ibn Abi Talib, the 4th Sunni raashiduun caliph and 1st Shi'a Imam . Later traveled to Basra to study under Hasan al-Basri where he had a fell out with him on a theological point.
What was the Mu'tazili approach to hadith criticism (usul al-Hadith) and their terminology (istilah al-Hadith)? What unique characteristics in their epistemology separated them from the Hanafis or other madhhabs and theological groups and exactly what were the difference between the Baghdadi and Basran Mu'tazilis? Also, what is the difference between the early Mu'tazilites and later medieval Mu'tazilites? All discussed here. They did not reject everything.
Mutazilite Criterion of Hadith Criticism
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Al7amdoelillahh Al7amdoelillahh!
Another good and informative video. I made some comments elsewhere, unfortunately before I saw this video lecture. The approach being advocated here is I beleive the real “Middle path” , at neither extreme. As muslims we like to think our history is less corupted than those of western or past civilisations. We spend our lives beleiving our muslim predecessors were uncoruptable or some how better, when the truth is most of us, with the exception of the pro-hets close companions are just average human beings susceptible to the politcs and norms of our times. I never though much of any of the various so called islamic dynasties following the period of the rightgeous caliphs, in particular the Umayads considering they come from the line of Abu-Sufyan (RAH), although he became a rightgeous follower right and the end when he had no choice,. In all honesty what can you expect from his descendants : A greater intrest in ruling and politicing than in islam.
Thank you brother
Sir I am Dr najib from SWAT PAKISTAN,asking ur opinion about a book written by,SHEIKH IMRAN HUSSAIN on METHODOLOGY OF QURAAN MAJEED,TNX.
Please do not promote books on this channel. We have a Quranic methodology that we teach.
I remembered reading the argument of Quranist and Sunnis regarding the word Salamun alaikum. Quranist is saying Salaamunalaikum us the correct term because it's in the Quran, while the Sunnis reply As Salamualaikum is the correct term in Arabic. The Quran is just using Salaamunalaikum as part of Ibrahim story.
Then, boom you came out with Abrahamic Locution.
Both sides had been argued in these Abrahamic Locution but without realising it's the answer!
Boom!
فَغَيْرَ اللَّهِ أَبْتَغِي حَكَمًا وَهُوَ الَّذِي أَنزَلَ إِلَيْكُمُ الْكِتَابَ مُفَصَّلًاThen is it other than Allah I should seek as judge while it is He who has revealed to you the Book explained in detail? … (6:114 part)تِلْكَ آيَاتُ اللَّهِ نَتْلُوهَا عَلَيْكَ بِالْحَقِّ ۖ فَبِأَيِّ حَدِيثٍ بَعْدَ اللَّهِ وَآيَاتِهِ يُؤْمِنُونَThese are the verses of Allah which We recite to you in truth. Then in what statement (hadith) after Allah and His verses will they believe? (45:6)
Thank you, it's for about five or six years i have this uncomfortable ambiguous position about hadith and other literatures. On one side i feel that they cannot be thrown away just like that, but on the other side i can understand the view of the Quranist and kinda accept it. And here you are, explaining the answer for the matter very clearly in just 11 minutes XD
Salaam alaykum
I'm sure the "Salah" was passed down from the time of prophet muhammed so the method already established (no hadith needed) that's already following the prophet. Now the hadiths outside of that were written 200-300 year later, how do we know how accurate it is. It confuses me too. I don't follow any sects,I just say I'm Muslim..if I'm wrong , may God forgive my shortcomings
Can you please make a few examples of using this method . Thank you
Every video on this channel contains several examples. Plz watch from the beginning.
AllahhuAkbar.......Quran the primary source to seek guidance, any secondary sources in harmony with the Quran shall take it.
Assalam alaikum, can you make something law which is not in Quran but in Hadith? Also if hadith are very important why Muhammad SAW or his Sahabas didn't think about it's preservation which could have helped us not to be divided into so many sects? How Bukhary or other hadith collectors are authorized?
Society, represented by its legitimate representatives, may decide to make into law that which does not violate Allahh's instructions: We cannot make something Halal that is clearly Haram, and we cannot exceed the instructions of Allahh in capital punishment (but we can reduce them as Omar Ibn Al-Khattab did, reportedly). Halal, on the other hand, may be restricted according to various (social, economic, security, developmental, etc) considerations.
Society is given full right to legislate to solve its problems, within these limits.
Other than that, values are to be followed by individuals, and this is "Qiyam" in Quran.
Re. Hadeeths, we discussed this issue in several videos. Plz refer to them.
I am not a muslim but i believe in monotheism and study all religions. I have said this in many videos, but i think Quran only islam is the only logical basis for islam. The problem with other form of authoritative scripture is that muslims traditionally believe Quran to be exact word of God: if God gives final revelation to all mankind that it even calls perfect and detailed, then how come a muslim needs authoritative scriptural guidance from elsewhere?
That is quite absurd. How come God needs Al Bukhari to teach what God "forgot" to mention? Even more absurd when muslim believes that the exact form and ritual of prayer is absolutely crucial for salvation, but thinks that people need to find it from other books than the supposed final direct word of God... Even though the Quran goes on to explain how to behave at the house of the prophet. How can someone claim that God's perfect guidance would not mention the supposedly crucial details and rules of obligatory prayer, but would explain something relatively irrelevant such as the etiquette of the prophet's house.
Mashallah
If that verse was about taking example from prophet's personal life and implement them to our own then why in the hadiths books itself it's written that prophet forbade writing sucha things and made them burn them?
So by that mindset prophet disobeyed god and quran and didn't let people to example from him through those writings which we know this mindset is wrong because if prophet were to disobey god as god said the revelation would've stopped and he would been punished.
But yeah that methodology should be used to translate and explain quran correctly cause other translations have been translated through the filter of all the other corrupted things and not the quran itself.
So just like god says what other hadith will you follow other than this hadith(quarn)
Assalamu alaykum, thank you for your work.
Can I ask, are you Shia ?
Watch all videos in this channel from the very beginning, then you will come to know what you are seeking for.
Did Muhammad compiled the complete Quran before he passed away?
Or was it really Abu bakar the one compiled it?
If so, does it mention it in the Quran?
Aya 75:17 clearly tells us that Allahh took responsibility for the assembly of the Quran.
" Uswatu hasana" 60:4, 60:6
How will you find out the good example of Ibrahim and His companions?
Good examples of the prophet, Abraham and his companions are all in the Quran. So we throw away everything except the Quran.
We cannot pick and choose whatever we like or using any methodology humans will come up with, it will be nothing more than an assumption
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Alhamdulillah.
So dear Dr, correct me if I am wrong;
You have stated that the term Quranist should not be used. I kind of agree, because it becomes like another label.
Yet, you have stated that we should not throw everything else out. But as per your analysis, which i concur, we have the Quran THEN we use the METHODOLOGY OF THE QURAN to understand it. The methodology is applied in order to arrive at a more precise understanding.
Hence Quran- Methodology from Quran- correct understanding. Hence the Quran is enough for us to be able to understand it. This is exactly what the Quran has to say about Itself.
Furthermore, did not the companions of Rasool used to say: Hasbuna Khitab Allah i.e Sufficient for us, is the Book of Allah.
For nearly 1400yrs muslims abandoned the Quran. We very much appreciate your sincere endeavour to re-educate majority of Muslims.
As I explained, there are other reasons to preserve the books of tradition, BUT NOT TO USE THEM AS AN AUTHORITATIVE REFERENCE OVER THE QURAN.
People who loose their history will soon loose everything else
History includes documenting the mistakes that our Ummah has made, and this by itself, is very relevant to our future.
Iam a Muslim who follow only Quran as one and only guidence revealed by Allah himself 2:185
I find your presentation very problematic for the following reason
1:You portrayed that following Quran only is wrong but you didnt say why and ho its wrong.
2:You suggested that we should follow "methodology" but you didnt say where that methodology come from,who invented it,why we need it and what the problem would be without it.
3:Lastly you quoted the verse 33:21 which say that Prophet is a good example for us.
I think you imply that we have to follow Hadith because those examples are only found in Hadith texts.
4:I want to remind you that prophet Ibrahim andhis people were also mentioned as good example for us 60:4-6 but we dont have volumes of volumes of Hadith texts detailing how Ibrahim and his people were good example.
5:If you study Hadith carefully you wont find that prophet Muhammad is portrayed as good Example in the Hadith at all.
Ex according to 4:105 prophet was told to judge by the book while in the Hadith prophet seems to judge by something else.
Stonning to death for example is not from the Book.
My Advice for Muslims
1:Quran is complete,enough and all we need 6:112-117
2:Quran is the only book that weve been told to follow 6:155.
3:Hadith is satanic trap and Muslim should stay away from it.
Yes I agree with some of the Hadith as Historical Narrations but part of the deen.
Thank you
Salaamun Alaykum my brother/sister
We agree. Or at least we are not very far off...
But you did not give yourself the chance to see other videos on this channel. At the very beginning of this video, we specified that this video is part of a larger video. Please watch THAT video along with the whole series it is part of.
Watch additional videos and please connect via email marvelousquran@gmail.com for follow up. We would love to benefit from your advice.
Regards
Its not hard to distinguish between the Right and the Wrong. Because we've got the Furqan!
"As guidance for humanity, and He has sent down the Furqan (the Standard by which to discern the true from the false). Those who reject Allah's Signs will have a terrible punishment. Allah is Almighty, Exactor of Revenge." (3: 4)
"Right guidance has become clearly distinct from error"(2: 256)
"So hold fast to what has been revealed to you. You are on a straight path. It is certainly a reminder to you and to your people, and you will be questioned." (39: 43-44)
Alas!
Your translation of Furqan is not correct
@@MarvelousQuran Well, sir, I wanted to clarify the following verse:
"Month Ramadan is that in which was sent down the Qur'an, guide to mankind, and evidences (?) of The Guidance and The Furqan." (2:185)
I found 6 times added article THE before the word Furqan, except for only one verse without article (8:29).
Aren't all the scriptures (including original Torah) meant to be Furqan? Please let me know.
May Allah will show the tru way undertanding alquran...pls Move on on what u have done...Show me the right path..
The speaker made sense to begin with but then started adulterating the talk with the introduction of authentication of the dubious collection. Here are the problems with his proposal:
1. There Hadith are hearsays transmitted over centuries. This methodology of transmitting information is defective, to begin with. It can be demonstrated using small experiments in a room (Chinese whisper).
2. What should be the starting point. The 700,0000 hadith that were initially collected by collectors like Bukhari or the 7000 he "authenticated". I will be surprised if the speaker goes for the second option. This kind of effort to authenticate the 700,000 hadith should be better invested in reflecting on Quranic verses which are clear, timeless and easy to understand if we use an honest heart.
3. When Allah informed the prophet there were hypocrites among the Arabs around him, He did not reveal the names explicitly so (we should abstain from adding names ourselves), any methodology that builds upon the "chain of narration theory" can only be trashed.
The hadith collections are online and are being exposed on a daily basis. The highly objectionable contents found in these collections put a big question mark on the "scholarship" of the "great" "scholars. ". These collections will not last long. We should not encourage people to be once more involved in this useless exercise. The hadith can at best be used as a historical document which can be right or wrong but never as a means to "explain (distort)" the verses of the Quran.
BTW just to be clear I do not want to take anything away from the speaker. He is a good man with honest intentions.
i never like calling myself a `Qur'anist` though i am oriented towards the Qur'an, as we all should as a MUSLIM. the salafist ironically have an atheistic methodology where they disregard the Qur'an and solely trust on human sensory data. but generalisations are not good , i hope we all strive to what is true(1) and discard any error that is false(0), for the sake of Allah(1).
Sir,I am from SWAT PAKISTAN,if u kindly guide me about a good book on METHODOLOGY OF QURAAN MAJEED.
Keep watching this channel my brother. The organic Quranic methodology that we use has not been published yet in a book. Will be soon insha Allahh
What I infer from what you've just talked about is that the likes of Bukhari, Muslim etc are not to be fully followed in thier criterion of Hadith authenticity. However, this is an issue. The Ummah is unanimous upon certain things/ideas etc. So why not just leave and let live. If the Mufasiroon have interpreted Ayaat in certain ways then fine. It hasn't given up issues for hundreds of years. So just leave it as it is.
As-salaamu alaykum brother Ubaid Rahman. Are you suggesting that even if we become aware of a corrupted text in the literature - Hadeeth and Tafseer works - that we just turn a blind eye and accept it as given? If so, what a foolish thought. In the Qur'an, Allah tells us very clearly that the Jews corrupted and changed the original laws and revelations given to prophet Moosa by Allah, Jalla Jalaalah. By way of your inference, the later prophets who were sent to Bani Isra'eel should have just turned away and accept these corrupted texts as they stand. Brother, I therefore find your reasoning totally untenable. May Allah guide us all to the path of Truth and bestow upon us hikmah to understand His Words insha-Allah.
@ Mr Ubaid Rahman
My brother: First of all: The Ummah is not unanimous on anything, let alone on Bukhari and Muslim and other collections of Hadeeths. Perhaps you don't know, but please be aware that Muslim is the student of Bikhari. And yet, there are significant disagreements between the two collections. Imam Muslim does NOT accept Bukari's sheikh (i.e., Bukhari's primary source of narrations of Hadeeths) as an acceptable narrator of Hadeeth..... Can you appreciate what this means?
Second, even if the ummah is unanimous (which it is NOT), unanimity is NOT a source of evidence, for, if it were, then the Christians and the Jews would be more correct than we are are!
Third, the Mufassiroon have produced major source of divisions among Muslims. The Quran has NOT been understood properly ever since the Mufassiroon messed up our Weltanschaaung.
BTW: The hadeeth collections include no more tafseer of ayats of the Quran than a dozen or so. In other words, the tafseer have no methodological basis even close to what the Hadeeths collections have.
Finally: There is much of our tradition that has not reached us. For example, we have no documented Friday Khutbah of our beloved SAWS. Can you imagine: over 500 Khutbahs, witnessed by hundreds if not thousands, and not a single report about one??? Where are they??? Why were they not documented???
So, Yes! We have a serious problem, and it's high time that someone starts proclaiming LOUDLY that there is no more room under the rug!
@@shuaibchota4170 WalaykumAssalaam. I don't think my point was fully understood. What I am saying is that the work of Hadith, most Fiqh, Jarh Wa Ta'deel etc etc have all been done and exhausted. We know which Hadiths are fabricated, Hassan, Saheeh etc etc. So to say that Bukhari's and Muslim's works should be trusted only with a grain of salt has to be an incorrect opinion. The Ummah are unanimous upon the authenticity of the Hadeeth books. So why not just leave it that way? I agree that the Mufasiroon used Israeeli narrations. But why is that an issue? If they do not contradict the Aqeedah, or lower the status of the Ambiyaa etc then Im sure they can be acceptable. What the respected professor in the video is saying is basically making hundreds of years of scholarship unreliable and questionable.
@@MarvelousQuran Thank you so much for the reply.
I would like to ask your opinion on the following Hadith:
حديث عبد الله بن عمرو : "بلغوا عني ولو آية، وحدثوا عن بني إسرائيل ولا حرج، ومن كذب علي متعمداً، فليتبوأ مقعده من النار".
(narrated by Bukhari)
What is the issue in taking Israeeliyyat if they do not contradict anything of the Deen?
@ Mr Ubaid Rahman
We covered this in this video segment czcams.com/video/Sd7MPfHHRJI/video.html and also in this czcams.com/video/4Zk5VCcXZl4/video.html
Show us the methodology dear uncle.
Please watch the methodology playlist on the CZcams Channel page
Salafis mainly look at authentic Hadith right?
@ Ahmad Abdeljabbar
Salafis give primary credence to the opinions of the first 3 generations after our beloved SAWS. Most of what they follow is NOT authentic hadeeths.
does this follow the same way as eschatology, sheikh Imran Hussein
NOT AT ALL. WE BELIEVE THAT ESCHATOLOGY IS NOT A SCIENCE, AND THAT IT IS A WASTE OF TIME...
IT IS PROHIBITED IN THE QURAN...
IT HAS A TRACK RECORD OF 100% FAILURE RATE SO FAR !!!
The Mu’tazilah (from i’tazala, “to remove oneself” or “to withdraw”) is one of the philosophical schools whose doctrines were affected by Greek philosophy. Originally the sect was established by Waasil Ibn ‘Ataa’ (80-131Hj/699-748 C.E.), who withdrew (i’tazala) from the circle of al-Hasan al-Basri (d.110Hj/728) because of his opposing view that the Muslim who commits a grave sin was neither a believer nor a kaafir , but somewhere between the two (manzilah baynal- manzilatayn ). This marked the beginning of this so-called rationalistic sect. In its early stages its concepts were close to those of the Khaarijites.
In different nowadays people calls themselves as Muslim not sure whether they are actually practising one! BTW salaf is not a sect ....
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And there's many version of translation of Quran According rafida, awalaki, athari,sunni, etcc... So it makes big difference....
Yes following to Qur'an is correct but having Aqd is must (Tawheed)
Selam. We cannot compromise between good and bad and this is what you are proposing with wishful thinking: Trying to select goodness from the garbage. No doubt whatever once was clean has been all contaminated with dirt loong ago. Thanks Allah who promised to protect Quran forever, and only Quran. Hujurat 7 "The messenger of Allah is always among/within you" and that messenger is definitely Quran because Prophets die, Quran is forever. That 's why Mohammed pbuh was the last prophet.
Salaamun Alaykum
No we are not proposing a compromise, and we are not offering wishful thinking.
Please watch again. The methodology can help eliminate many of the honest disagreements, some of which have lasted 1400 years, and have drained Muslim resources, and caused millions to be killed....
I think you will agree: If we can reduce these problems by using a Quranic methodology, it will be a worthwhile goal.
We never claim that the result of applying the methodology will ever be superior to the Quran. On the contrary, we only say that the sifted results that are proven clean will be part of our reliable history, but never to be used to dominate the Quran.
An Ummah without history will eventually become an Ummah without Geography, and eventually without a religion. The Quran teaches us to respect history. The Quran also teaches us to consider Muhammad SAWS as our best model. None of these things are achievable if we develop historical amnesia, on purpose.
Regards
Interesting. I like what say. You should debate some of these clerics as this is the only way to help the Ummah get to get away from Ahal Al Hadith.
It's not by debates that we win. It's by winning over one heart and mind at a time. There are no shortcuts
@@MarvelousQuran and debates are how you win over hearts and minds by proving the other people wrong
There is no God but Allah, I only worship Allah & I Don't associate anyone with Allah. I reject All man made Hadith, those can,t be Allah's words..
I proud to be Quranist..
Allahu Akbar, The most merciful, the gracious.
Allah ordered to obey the prophet so you cant really ignore hadiths
Please watch some of the videos that discuss the difference between Rassool andNabiy. Allahh ordered you to obey the Rassool, NOT the Nabiy!
Also, please understand that NOT everything that was reported about our beloved SAWS is actually from him. Many narrations were fabricated. For example, Al-Bukhari selected only 6 thousand hadeeth out of more than 600 thousands he had come across. Think about this!
@@chailouai3084 2:272
@@MarvelousQuran the rassoul muhammed was also a nabiy
And sure not everything that was reported is from him but lots of reports are authentic
@ Chai Louai
Please watch this video to learn the difference czcams.com/video/4Zk5VCcXZl4/video.html
When the Quran addressed him as Rassool is different from when it addressed him as Nabiy
Just like you are a father, with specific responsibilities and expectations, but also an employee (if you work for a company) with other responsibilities and expectations.
Pl sometimes throw light on Muslims contention that the last Prophet was only fr muslims. I believe Muhammad S A W is for humankind. Then validity of Hadieths and role of clergy in muslim society. M a regular listener and looking forward. Regards
So Muhammad SAWW in the Qur'an says he is nothing new/original among the Prophets, he doesn't know what will happen to him or to us, he is a plain Warner. But in the hadith not only is he semi divine, he also knows that he will be in Paradise along with his 10 companions?? Is this not contradictory? Of course Allah SWT Himself affirms the great moral character of Prophet SAWW, but the Qur'an makes a point to ensure that he does not come across as infallible.
Then Allah SWT says that he will raise up every prophet who will testify against his nation, and Muhammad SAWW will say that his people have abandoned the Book, and ahadith claim that he will be an intercessor. Contradiction yet again.
Since I was very young I've been sceptical of the ahadith, and now...I have no qualms about rejecting them. Sure some do across as valid...but those are RARE. Perhaps 4 or 5
5:11 what a ridiculous thing to say! No one in history is close to the evil of Firaun. Let alone fellow Muslims. Please seek knowledge scholars to correct you, may Allah guide you
Please learn more about the Fir3aounic history of the Umayyads.
You don't know the real history my brother. I was like you for 30 years untiI decided to really investigate.
since we wouldnt care to read,
your understanding (when accepted) would drive our community into imamat thingy.
you read it, we debate it.
what the different with now situation?
Sorry cannot understand what you wrote.
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ALLAHU AKBAR
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I don't accept any Hadith. Your explanation is Totally wrong because you're saying some Hadith is authentic and some are not. This very principal is applied by the sunni and shias.
Mazhab is totally wrong. Mazhab devide Muslim. In my country, different Mazhab cannot even married
Brother ALLAH says to follow the example of the prophet' and they key question is' what the prophet followed? ALLAH says in many verses that the prophet only!! followed what was revealed to him 6-50 , 10-15 , 7-203 10-109. You are going against the QURAN ?? ALLAH says in SURAH 77-50 WHAT HADITH after it [ QURAN HASSINAL HADITH ] will they believe. Meaning after!!! QURAN there is no HADITH to be believed in' this is a clear verse ' which nobody can distort. Also ALLAH says in many verses that QURAN is fully detailed' what do you think god means by that? he simply means that we do not need anything else because the book is detailed 12-111 . Also ALLAH says this book is complete 6-115 and perfected with ISLAM 5-3. You are still holding on to something outside of QURAN' remember QURAN represents ALLAH when you associate anything with QURAN you have associated with god simple.
You are wrong with all due respect because Hadith is accepted based on chains of narrators, We only accept the authentic hadith.
Using man-made standards... Not using divinely-prescribed standards
Al-furqan
Assalamualaikum Hazrat. Wahabi and Yazid followers are still alive I think that is the main reason.
Akhy,, i think u were wrong about the salafy
I used to be one, my brother. I think I know them a lot more than you think
I'm muslim sunni a.k.a Ahlus sunnah wal jamaah, means those who's following sunnah and following the way of companions. muslim sunni has also already mentioned in the quran surah At Tawbah verse 100 :
"And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the Muhajireen and the Ansar and THOSE WHO FOLLOWED THEM WITH GOOD CONDUCT - Allah is pleased with them and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment."
the one and only sect who enter into paradise, meanwhile the other sects go to the hell, as our beloved prophet S.A.W. said below :
Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah Ibn ‘Amr ibnil ‘As (radiyallahu’anhuma) reports that Rasulullah (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam) said:
‘…indeed the Banu Israel (Jews) were divided into seventy two sects. My Ummah will be divided into seventy three. All of them will be [deserving of being] in the fire besides one sect.
It was asked: ‘which one will that be?’
Nabi (sallallahu’alayhi wasallam) replied:
‘THE ONE WHO FOLLOWS MY WAY AND THE WAY OF MY COMPANIONS.’
(Sunan Tirmidhi, Hadith: 2641)
hadithanswers.com/73-sects-of-this-ummah/
Wrong Logic! Wrong Channel!
Are you Quranists
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This speech will mislead many who already misled. Mu'tazilla arised questioning original Sunnah Islam on specific beleifs which revolves around tawhid , justice of Allah and freewill of human. These people are rationalists like present western existentialism philosophy. They too deny hadiths selectively how this speaker suggests. Hadith rejectors are not Muslims even as per Quran literature because truly they deny Quran also ..they ultimately trust their intellect people among them claim they receive wahi.. Hadith rejectors are disbeleivers only but they try to identify them as Muslims. Shias are already hadith rejectors but many escape because they follow Jaffar Sadiq imam figh..
Can you please show us the certificate from Allahh, which grants you the exclusive right to speak for Allahh, and to determine who is a Muslim and who is not?
With people like you, who needs Judgment Day?