Elbilmek bought a 2014 Tesla Model S P85 with broken battery
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- čas přidán 23. 10. 2023
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This content is gold. Showing not only new cars and their performance, but also servicing, repairs and the whole ecosystem
And TheSun :)
COOL STUFF!!! Investigating faults on old EVs is FAR MORE INTERESTING than presenting new EVs 🙂 These cars deserve a second chance after a lifetime of serving their owners.
Well said!
10 short years is a lifetime now? the bar has been set really low for EVs
Especially as it's the one remaining argument of gasoline-defenders.
@@Metalmassacre07 Maybe the "lifetime" with the first owner? These days people tend to change the car every 5 years, ideally right before warranty expires so it might not be that far fetched and not really something to do with it being an EV either.
This is just meatshielding copium. ICE cars have historically had very long service lives even after the first owner decides to get something new. In many cases 20 - 30 years of life. It does not look like this will be the case with EVs. It seems like the most fanatical EV fans are not car guys at all, but techies who are used to junking their electronics after a few years.@@LAndrewsChannel
Positive terminal first when connecting a battery before the negative terminal
Exactly. Because if you connect the negative first, then strike anything grounded with the positive lead, all kind of shieeert can and probably will happen, like welded terminals and RUD of the booster
@@carloslaue1236Indeed. Understanding *why* helps you remember the order. :-)
Hmmmm bolts and terminals.... Say whaaat!?!? 😢
Tegra is MCU1, Intel is MCU2. To get LTE all you upgrade is the GSM modem inside the big screen called CID. Also week 12V can give you so many false positive alerts and errors.
Can just sense Bjorn wanting that guy to get out of the way so he can prod the screen and connect his gear to the OBD port and diagnose it himself.
+ first
+ is just a small point, while - is pretty much all metal.
If you connect - first, you may touch the + lead to some - metal and bad things will happen.
Hovewer if you connect + first, and touch some - metal on your way to the + stud, nothing happens as it isn't a closed circuit
Other than that, it really doesn't matter.
Exactly, always connect positive pole first and disconnect last.
I found it very interesting. Now, after ~10y, we can get some long term data about EVs. i’m curious, if it’s really only moisture. Thx Björn
This is a common issue, if you can find the cell or cell that is imbalanced, you will bring back the whole pack with full range. They limit charging to 50 miles in the meantime.
Imba!
As seen here " World's Cheapest Tesla | Gruber Motors " they found 1 cell that was out of spec thus cut it`s + - connectors and the car was fully functional..
Imagine trying to do that in a structural battery pack that's full of stiffening foam.
@@spankeyfishon the other hand, it won’t happen as often with newer cells + they are cheaper now than they were ten years ago so the economic benefit of doing that kind of skilled troubleshooting and manual repair is questionable.
@@spankeyfish Even on the Model 3 foam pack you can find the cells the cut them out.
This Model S will be a very nice car to own and drive after Elbilmek fixes it, not to mention very historically significant. Very interesting video, I can't wait for part 2! 😀
I hope we will see when battery is open and find out how many modules have to change, maybe 1 module.
Swapping modules is not a permanent fix. Even Tesla doesn't do it when they refurbish packs.
Would love a list with all the service alerts decoded and explained.
Amazing video, looking forward to part 2!
I would connect "+" first because if you happen to touch the chassis with the "-" connected you short the booster. Of course the booster may not deliver juice until you power it on but if you use jumper wires from a live battery there may be an issue.
That KFC error is for Autosteer (EPAS), all early models getting this error because it doesn't have Autosteer, so Tesla thinks something is wrong with it 😅
€7-8k for a "fix", or €11-12k for a brand new battery? Considering the rest of the battery is 9 years old, taking a brand new battery is the obvious choice (if you can afford the extra ~€4-5k).
New 12k battery isn't new, but refurbished old battery.
I believe they are refurbished by Tesla, not new. I think Tesla doesn't make those old packs but not 100% sure
A completely new battery (which you won't get anymore from Tesla) is around €20k. More if you don't want to let them have your original. €12k is refurbished battery from Tesla, which is basically the same as these guys do for half the price.
A couple years ago I heared that you explicitly tell tesla you want a new battery. It then gets upgraded to the 90 pack (old cars can't handle the extra weight of the 100). Not quite sure about the price but it wasn't much more then a refurb.
Tesla battery pricing always includes the core in the price. Thus a refurb pack is 12k€, new 20k€+ and without a core +10k€. I dunno if you can even get a new battery "without a core" or keeping the old one yourself. I've never heard of such an example, only about packs which were "beyond repair" but still went to Tesla lol.
NVIDIA Tegra is MCU1. MCU2 is Intel Atom
yes he only upgraded the mobile data board which sits on the MCU mother board.
Connect minus first as there is a positive plane and the negative side is switched and used for powering. So in affect negative is positive and positive is negative.
the voltage differences in the cells look so small... very interesting that this HV battery already needs repair. I would have thought that those differences would have to be much higher than that.
but the car was sitting for 2 days... probably after discharging or charging the difference would be bigger.
Every Model S has the aircondition drip on the battery area, thereby damaging parts of the high voltage battery. But this seems like a bad cell. Almost 1 year before the warranty went out on my MS, the car died with fault in high voltage battery. Tesla had it at the SC for a few weeks for battery swap or fix and they fixed it instead.
Every Model S had an upgrade done to re-route the a/c condensation away from the battery.
@@moestrei when was this? I'm sure this was the reason stated by the SC.
Youve also got a "low tire" indication, putting air in will increase your range.
It is not correct to connect the negative terminal first. If you do so you could accidently cause a short circuit with the positive terminal if you hit some metal bits of the body. This is not possible if you connect the positive side first.
Coool stuff! Can you make a report on what happens with the wrecked teslas in norway? How is the battery re-used? And what happens if a battery is really kaput? How is it disassembled?
Heard Lithuanians in a background 😅
When is the next video coming? Would like to see how the car is fixed
Grufman bil in Stockholm did a video of this on another model s a few days ago and it was water in the main battery fuse or something
Connect + or - first? I heard that when you connect to the battery itself, you connect + first directly to the battery - as there is no where else to put it. Then you put - somewhere else on the car frame. The reason I was given was that lead-acid batteries might cause flammable gasses and connecting 12v will cause sparks. So you want that sparking away from the battery, so you close the circuit somewhere else on the car.
VERY interesting.. you should do more like this 😊😊
1:56 on a CTEK charger the instruction says "the red is always alone". So positive goes first, and once finished, the positive goes as last.
I think the market for used EV's will be huge in the coming years starting right now. Prices drop and more and more people will be able to afford one. So these video's are GOLD! They show that EV's actualy can be fixed and that does so much for acceptance! Except for SUN readers of course, they will have to take the bus at some point.
i sense ev fires will be increasing in the future
Didn’t know Ryan Gosling was in the market for a Tesla?
The big short in the battery.
Recommend putting the 12 volt emergency battery pack (and charging cables) in the frunk!, as it is difficult to access it if there is a lot of luggage in the trunk (or if your tailgate opens on 12 volts?)
Or if you watched Bjorn's previous video - at least you can access the trunk via back seats if your frunk and trunk is stuck closed!
Assuming it can be fixed and there is just one problem module, it will be interesting to see how much degradation a 9 yr old low-miles battery has experienced. I am sure there is a large block of potential EV owners as keen as I am to find this out.
the old tesla batteries were REALLY sketchy
I don't know why are people hateing videos about a 10-year-old Tesla S, which has low mileage and apart from a damaged drive battery, seems to be in very good condition. One probably still need to take care of the suspension and can drive for another few years in a comfortable and fast car for relatively reasonable money. It's all a matter of profitability analysis.
Tegra with LTE means it has MCU1 with upgrade LTE modem.
12-volt lead-acid batteries are usually meant to operate at optimum level for five years. So at nine years old they could well fail and cause issues. I had similar with my Nissan Leaf. When the 12-volt battery unexpectedly drained the car started to do all sorts of weird things before shutting down completely. I got a new 12-volt battery and there's been no similar issues since. I'm not sure if this Tesla has lead-acid or lithium 12-volt, but you'd expect the same problems when it fails.
Cars with the Tegra processor were MCU1 and 2 cars I believe
"We might have to use the what-the-heck-is-this-thing". LOL
I got curious, so I just checked second hand market here in Sweden. Cheapest Tesla model S is a 2014 Tesla with over 600000km (yes, batterys and motors etc have been replaced)... its also been involved in accidents which are not fully repaired.. and they still want $20k.. what? :D (can add that here is a another one in good shape, only 170000 with free supercharging for $3k more only)
There are many factors contributing to this. New car prices shooting up results in old car prices doing the same. Inflation is a thing. It being an EV helps, especially compared to other full size, luxury cars from the same year.
Good content about older EVs. Will be good to have those more often.
Some battery cell have issue. Is that degrad cell?
Mr Bjorn, are you going to test EV9 Kia? That would be the electric family car I’d buy
Could it be possible (in an emergency situation) to connect the battery jumper, then place it in the front trunk, and drive?
Thanks 🙏 Would love Elbilmek to set up a repair shop in Toronto as well ❤❤❤. Ours is only 1 year’s old fortunately.
All very well but here in the U.K. the insurance for EVs has recently more than doubled and in some cases a lot more than that. It’s no wonder as the parts cost is ridiculous and incredibly slow in obtaining, along with hardly any third party garages willing or able to take in any insurance work.
Yeah, it's going to take a while, years, to fill all that out.
I thought you were the Tesla Bjørn! Tegra chip is a MCU 1, it just has the LTE upgrade 🤣
Is that a motorway toll device taped to the front crash bar? neat idea.
Yes, looks like a Norwegian Autopass device. 1:35
I had this problem too with my Tesla S85 2014 (a dead high voltage battery), i made the choice to replace the battery by Tesla and pay the big price. After two tries everything went ok now, and i still have free supercharging and four-year warranty. So that was the trigger for me.
More suspens than Netflix series, cannot wait for next episode 😂
Em km ja pagou o investimento 😅😅. Sempre pode soldar as portas e fazer uma floreira ou aquário...
All know what minus every time connecting in the end. And if you want disconnect power - first disconnected minus
Tu mets cette vidéo et une passagère à justement ce matin ouvert la porte avec un vélo qui a fait un soleil !
Hæ?
@@bjornnyland sorry I commented an other of a friend video and went to this one lol. 😂
I really enjoy your channel. I like it, that you always use German words 😂 please more of that content!
Looking forward to Part II!
Awesome content! Keep it up!
Tegra - MCU1, Intel - MCU2, Ryzen - MCU3
Love these videos. Keep them coming.
excellent video! very happy :)
This will be very interesting to watch. The issues sound minor, and when fixed this is an excellent and very capable vehicle. Sure, for a newer car you can list any number of tech features and performance numbers, but are they *genuinely* interesting? And worth paying good money for? I don't think so.
Great vid
SOC_lmbalance; when Waldemar says it, it sounds like 'sucking balls' 😂
Thats good one 😂
it is opposite, +12V have to be connected first. Because on the normal cars minus is everywhere on body of the car.
Hi I need professional advice please, I have bought 2017 model X 100D from an auction house, it had some damage at the front , I’m a virgin with EV cars especially Tesla , I have no clue what front body parts to get, second problem that I’m facing is that the car does not charge or move, bought brand new 12V battery and the car sucks it all in 20-25 minutes and 12v battery goes flat and the car shuts down again, any expert advice would be highly appreciated as I have spent £26k so far for a dead car. Really really stressed
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There is a lot of confidence instilled in owners, when an old vehicle, of any kind, can be repaired for a reasonable sum. The later video shows that the main battery needed to be removed, but has been fixed to fully working condition, with a good clean and the replacement of a certain number of small parts. Was it trash? Not at all, just needed some love. A 10-yr old ICE supercar that had been used this much, would be looking at an engine re-build and a transmission overhaul, at considerably greater cost than even having a whole new battery fitted. The Sun says: "Oh, see, this useless Tesla needed a little maintenance for the first time in 10 yrs, for a fraction of the cost that an equivalent ICE car would, such a terrible thing... And it's going to spontaneously combust and burn your house down too, wait and see... maybe give it another 20-30 yrs, I'm telling you...don't buy one!" Ha ha!!!
Every single owners' manual I've checked says connect the + first, than the - Are battery packs different?? News to me.
Don't know either way but he did connected the positive first and the negative second, I bet it was force of habit just automatic, he just said it the other way, when asked if that was the correct way to connect the terminals.
But to tell the truth I have connected battery terminals either way, one first or the other second, many times, and never add serious problems besides a few sparks, the serious problems only happen, when you connect the negative in the positive and the positive in the negative, that is a serious no no. :P
The secret code is not secret it's just service 😊
I have heard Lithuanian talk @7:00 :)
I would make a suggestion to avoid any future legal issues
Do something to their logo, like split it in 2 pieces (like a broken heart symbol)
This will allow you to not be charged for using their logo without their permission and also continue your grievance regarding them taking your content and manipulating and editing it, making you appear you say something else.
Good if they make contact. I can charge them for the 3 videos they copied from me without my permission...
100,- Euro extra per month and you are safe to change the battery after 9 years.
Why is “The Sun” logo on the thumbnail?
Love Lithuania comment❤, good job folks
This is MCU1 becouse integra chip
Wondering if i should sell my Model S 70 2015 now 😢.. Tesla will allow to transfer supercharging to new Y
For me, these are the most interesting videos.
Do the guys know how to boost the signal to the MCU2 in a 2016 Model S? I have the upgrade to MCU2 but I'm told the antenna is the weak link in getting a better signal.
MCU1=Nvidia Tegra MCU2=Intel Atom MCU3=Amd Ryzen (Model3/Y/New S/X only) right ?
I really like those old EV repair videos =)
Very interesting video. You are our Sun 😂
Just solve the air-suspension issue. It was the pipe compresseur to the Air tank. (a electrical cable touch the Airpipe)
Also, Tesla service propose 4y & 100Mkm of guarantee for a Batterie swap. (free installation)
According to the readers of The Sun newspaper, the car will have burnt to the ground by the morning taking the entire neighbourhood with it.
Sorry forgot to mention I’m based in London , UK
There should be a market for a rental company that rent out old EV’s cheap. Buying them is risky.
Buying any used car is a risk.
@@TheEvilmooseofdoom Battery replacement is very costly and battery tech is still improving. So especially old EV’s will lower sales (most non-Tesla’s) - have or will have meh value when they get old - much more so than gas cars
Cliffhanger I see here…
Very interesting to follow !
This video is a wake up call. Only after 10 years the car is pretty much rendered useless unless you do a really expensive repair that wouldn't be financially feasible.
A Mercedes or any other big car is easily repaired for more than 7000usd in its first 10 years. Just mention hp pumps, transmissions, cams, engine to a mechanic.
No car is perfect, some go 10 years without trouble, some with.
wow I had never seen inside a model 3 frunk! it's way bigger than our 3
Note that this car is rear-wheel drive. The frunk (or, as I like to call it in British English, the froot (US trunk = UK boot)) is much smaller if you have all-wheel drive.
Model S RWD*
What was the price of the model s?
i mean the one he bought
The guy with the phone has his hands shaking probably he is hit by a lot of anxiety.
Or maybe he's just cold from standing outdoors for a while?
@@NoMoYOUsernames Cold has no effect on Norwegians.
@@gabyk.5074 lol ok, cool. That's awesome, I'll remember that the next time I'm feeling cold. ;)
@@NoMoYOUsernames definitely! About this time of the year it's actually pretty warm anyway.
@@gabyk.5074 Yeah, it's literally 2 degrees above freezing right now, and I'm not even in the cold parts of Norway. It's sooo warm. lol.
Imagine if you could swap the battery, it would be much easier .
You can swap the battery, it is not hidden like in a phone or something, you can get to it from bellow, take a few hundred bolts out and it comes off.
Model S had battery swapping until 2015 when fast charging made it redundant.
Brave man buying a Tesla with a suspect battery that might need replacing at €11,000.
Were they trying to get to the nearest charge point?
He can repair the battery himself, he was there to buy the Tesla, even if the battery was fully dead, the fact it was still alive and working, despite the problems, was a bonus!
I don't think you have any idea how skilled Elbilmek is...
Why does your thumbnail have “The Sun” in the top right corner. They are notorious for bashing Tesla at every turn.
You can watch his previous video where he commented about The Sun taking his video while making bad impression about EVs.
Thats the point. Watch the videos from a week ago or so.
I'm making big $$$ making fun of The Sun.
MCU1 Tegra
MCU2 Intel
I fall with the clickbait, probably broken 12 V battery :)
Nope
I hear a familiar language :)
Hi Bjorn.When do you think will be able to make a range test of the new model 3 highland long range?
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Stop giving The S*n free advertising in your thumbnails Bjorn! 😢
Buying a Tesla, he will get all the grief he deserves
Interesting stuff 😊
Norsk english is pretty funny: kaputt, Schmutz, Stau.
Except that it's not Norwegian, it's German.
4:30 The first MCU is powered by Nvidia Tegra so yes its the first version