1k King vs 800 chosera, a comparison
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- čas přidán 4. 08. 2024
- Hi again!
Back after the holidays with a short comparisons between the chosera 800 and the king deluxe 1000.
Both good stones in their own ways, and so this is a video where i try showing the differenses and similarities between the both of them. its not a video where i try to tell you wich one is the "best" because that will always highly subjective and depend on wich qualities you value the most.
00:00 Talk
03:05 Beginning, a little bit about the feel on both
04:13 Chosera 800
09:13 King Deluxe 1000
14:13 Summary
I found your channel while waiting for the snow to stop at Alta airport lol. But man it's great and I've learned so much thanks.
thanks for doing this!! much appreciated, they do sound so similar :)
Hi i like chanel .and i love your work .sory if i have bad english. My question is if you know for shapton glass stone i not saw video for them
idk about so called "polishing agents." last I checked it's abrasives. the fact is, these are two totally different kinds of boded abrasives. the king is a traditional muddy "clay stone that breaks down quickly whereas the chosera while this one is fairly friable as well it's not anywhere near like the king as it uses a modern magnesia based vitrified bonding. if the stone leaves a finer finish, the abrasive is likely smaller and more uniform distribution . idk what a polishing agent is or what it could be, just abrasive.
Right on the money. I've heard "Burrfection" perpetuate this idea of "polishing agents" as well. Always wanted to leave the comment you basically just did
@@AnarchAngel1 His content is good for brining in newbs into the hobby and introducing them and making it popular, but in terms of actual useful information his videos are quite bad, loaded with tons of inaccurate information and not actually very informative on a technical level. He talks a lot about sentiments and "feelings" of things rather than actual an analysis of the facts. One thing about all Naniwa stones is the grit distributions are very finely tuned. Every single stone they make leaves an aesthetic pleasing scratch pattern on the steel. Choseras are the most versatile "do it all" stones they make which excel for both edges and bevel work, polishing, finishing, everything. The one weak areas is true grinding and shaping as the 400 is the most course Chosera stone they make now. they used to have a 320 but its gone. You are intended to use the 220 from the traditional line, there are two of them, one is pink and uses a harder binding with alumina and the other is green which is a green silicon carbide stone that wears faster than the pink but has more power. I prefer the Shaptons for the lowest grits. The 120 shapton pro is an extremely hard and slow wearing white alumina stone and the 220 and 320 are true SNG silicon carbide stones. They wear faster than the white 120 and they can grind steels like 10v without issue.
@@jeffhicks8428 I'm not a fan of his channel for those very reasons. I'm not a huge fan of Choseras because of how delicate they are and I'm not a huge fan of Super Stones unless I need a finishing stone. I don't think any of them are actually effective grinding stones even though they make a 220. I need to give the traditional line a try. I have the 220 and 320 Ha No Kuromaku stones. I like them a lot, they're fast and friable. If you watch your pressure they don't wear as badly as people like to make it sound. The 220 is probably my most used coarse stone. I actually just bought another because my first is starting to get pretty thin
Edit: One Naniwa stone I really like is the Aotoishi, colloquially known as the Green Brick of Joy. Doesn't do so hot with hard, high carbide steels but it's like magic for your average stainless steel kitchen knife. Does well on traditional high carbon as well but anytime I want to finish a cheap kitchen knife in an impressive way that thing is king
Gracias por compartir tus conocimientos.
Aconsejas quitar la base a la chosera para evitar acomulacion de ahumada? Un cordial saludo
Would be fun to watch the king 1k vs cerax 1k vs chosera 1k, the 3 popular stones head to head.
Yeah, me neither
Two nice stones for sure!
What is you go-to stone for thinning?
2x76 belt grinder 😅 followed by sandpaper up to around 12-1500 grits. And a buffing wheel for polish. I hate thinning with a passion 😅 but I guess i had to go for atoma 140 or 120 shapton to start. I would stick to shapton pro pre 1000 grit, then transition to naniwa kurouto 1000. The rest would depend on the finish i wanted :)
Ahh, a belt grinder would be something... haha
It's not my favorite thing in the world either, I find that the diamond stones leaves huughe scratches so then you have to sand forever if you want to remove them.. Haha.
Still haven't found my go to... Shapton Pro 220 works best so far I'd say.
Some of these stones (like the choseras) are prone to microcracking if soaked or if your sharpening takes too long. This is most apparent with the snow white that cracks super easily. The reaon why these bases exist is to hold the stone together and prevent the cracks to propagate
I don't buy them because of this issue. It's a shame because they are very nice stones
I see comments here about the Choseras cracking. I have the Chosera 400, 800, 3000, and the 8K snow white. Have had them all for a couple years and the 400, 800, and 3000 are all off the plastic bases they came with. No cracking at all on any of them. While I don't doubt people have had that problem, it's not inevitable by a long shot. The only stone of the dozens I have that developed micro cracks is the Shapton Kuromaku 12K. Only surface cracks, and still holding together after at least 8 years.
Just means you know how to care for your stones 😁 i have never had any issues with this myself either
I know how to care for magnesia bonded stones and my 1k Pro developed cracks after a few dozen uses 🤷♂️ Never had a single problem with my Shaptons. I think maybe the Chosera are less likely to cracking than the stones being marketed as Naniwa Pros
I prefer the King 1200 over the King 1000. I have several Chosera and King stones and for the money, I prefer the King.
I agree. King is a great brand if you want value for your money. My first proper japanese synthetics was king 😀
A lot of people seem to be of this opinion. I like the 1k more. In my subjective experience the 1200 is slightly muddier and faster cutting but the 1k has the most satisfying and immediate feedback. One of those things you can't explain that well but I get a warmer feeling from the 1k
What is your sharpening angle? It seems very shallow.
Funny that you ask. I never measure when going by hand. But harder steels i go narrower than soft offc. BUT I got a laser angle gage TODAY 😅 and turns out it was 11 degrees on one side, 10 on the other. But then again. I try not to think too much about exact angles. I try to copy the angle that's there from before, and if a costumer requests a specific angle i have other tools to make it just right ;)
oh wait. this is an older video. yea it might have been. i cant say exactly what it was now though 😆
15:41 With the base you can take it down to practically nothing. That is the reason for the M-15 or M-24 Shapton. Any splash and go should have a base for that reason.
No edge leading passes on this video. Any explanation of why you do or dont?
When i do its usually to try and get the burr off and skip the stropping part all together. But as i knew i was going to strop anyway i didnt. Im also not 100% confident in my edge leading strokes so i though it was better to play on the safe side to get as eaven a result as possible given that i was comparing two different stones. It would be shame if my bad technique put king or naniwa in a bad light :P
What about chosera 400? Good to start off?
Absolutely. My gouken arata 400 is one of my go-to coarse stones. And its pretty much the same stone, only thinner, and without the base :)
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 wow! I also went ahead with chosera 800.
@@robertmunguia250 excellent choice
I have the king 800 and it cuts nice but it wears faster than the other whetstones I have.
It's a nice stone and for the price i dont mind if it wears a little fast tbh. Personally I love working on softer stones because of the feedback and speed :)
Nice. Please do scissor sharpening vid. Tx.
This comment could NOT be timed any better. i JUST did my first 3 beauty scissors. Gonna need a little more practise though :P
Yes, hair scissors; ride lines, curves, and twists.
you can buy choosera in Denmark
I import and sell here in Norway myself 😀 so I buy directly from Japan
@@lofotenknifeworks2278 ahhh ok😀and there is the tax between our countries. I still don't get that…
@@Oomph6006 yea I know. The price we pay to not be in EU. New tax rules in EU States that all shops have to charge tax for the destination country meaning you will always pay the right price at checkout and not in the post office as we do here now. 😁 its a pain for all the websites right now, but good in the long run I believe
I have the king 1000, and the chosera 800. And i have to say chosera is in all way better. No chance for the king 1000. The only good thing is the price of the king, especially if you get the king 1000/6000 combo. I only recomend king stones if is your first and the only stone what you gona get ( combo 1000/6000) and only if you have a loot of time free. For soaking and because is slow stone.
Chosera is amazing stone. But only is gona shine is you have 800/3000/5000. At last. I have 400/800/2000/3000/5000
And i love it. People is gona to say you dont need a loot of stones. But if you have 4 o 5 stones you gona Take 1/4 of the time of this guys use. And the result is gone feel better.
How many stones you need is dependent on what you use them for. For polishing/sharpening large surfaces like on debas and yanagibas smaller increments (more stones) will save you a lot of time. For general maintenance of 50/50 or 70/30 ground blades i would stick with a good coarse, a fast medium and a fine polishing. How high wiill depend on the type of steel. What kinds of stone one like will differ.
The choseras/pros/gouken aratas are amazing stones. Im in a bit of a morihei-streak at the moment, and getting the karesu in a few days. Can't wait. As for speed, that comes with practise and correct choice of stone yes. And if you are doing it 4 times faster than me, then good on you. I still have a long way to go vefore i consider myself decent 😃