Linux on Snapdragon X Elite Laptop with Tim Benton at the Linaro booth at Embedded World 2024
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- čas přidán 9. 04. 2024
- At the Linaro booth during Embedded World 2024, Tim Benton, Vice President of Engineering at Linaro, discussed the integration of Linux with Snapdragon X1 Elite laptops. This collaboration between Linaro and Qualcomm has resulted in a full Linux experience on Snapdragon chips, with Benton highlighting excellent performance comparable to Apple's chips. Unlike the closed ecosystem of Apple, Linaro and Qualcomm worked closely to upstream all necessary components for Linux compatibility, ensuring out-of-the-box functionality without the need for custom kernel builds.
Able, who worked on bringing up the Linux platform, emphasized the rapid progress achieved, with full Debian support and necessary patches prepared even before the official announcement of the X1 Elite. While some adjustments were needed for drivers and device trees, much of the software could be ported over seamlessly, showcasing the interoperability of ARM-based systems and the potential for powerful, commercially available laptops by the end of the year.
Comparisons were drawn with Apple's M-series chips, with Benton suggesting that the Snapdragon X1 Elite's performance rivals or surpasses even the latest M3 chip in certain aspects, particularly in multi-threaded tasks. Discussions veered towards speculation about Apple's strategies, including the possibility of combining multiple chips for increased power, although Qualcomm hasn't ventured into similar approaches yet.
The conversation shifted to Linaro's evolution over the years, transitioning from solving specific technology problems to delivering end-to-end solutions. Collaborative engineering remains central, with Linaro's role extending beyond open-source contributions to optimizing entire product ecosystems, as demonstrated by their involvement in custom distributions and power optimization for Snapdragon-based laptops.
Benton highlighted Linaro's collaboration with individual companies, such as Remarkable, in optimizing software stacks for specific hardware, ensuring efficient power management and performance enhancements. The discussion also touched upon the growing interest in ARM-based servers, with Linaro's efforts focused on enabling SBSA compliance and supporting initiatives like AWS's Graviton.
Further conversations delved into Linaro's role in facilitating the adoption of ARM architecture across various industries, including automotive and cloud computing. The company's involvement in ensuring compatibility with Microsoft Windows on ARM highlighted their commitment to open-source enablement and interoperability.
At the Linaro booth, demonstrations showcased advancements in cloud-based testing using LAVA-managed services, emphasizing continuous automated testing for ARM-based systems across different standards and platforms. Benton also discussed Linaro Connect, an event attracting around 600 participants, serving as a platform for collaboration and networking within the ARM ecosystem.
Overall, Linaro's presence at Embedded World 2024 underscored its pivotal role in driving innovation and standardization within the ARM ecosystem, from enabling Linux on Snapdragon laptops to advancing cloud-based testing and interoperability across diverse hardware platforms and industries.
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As a Linux user, this is the video I was waiting for! :D
Me too
yes linux laptop users deserve good battery too
Duuuuuuuude!!!!
i dont use linux but i wish to . i like the interview he allowed them to talk
Game changer ahhh can’t wait
No way i thought this going to be impossible, due to the possibilitiy of qualcomm only working with Microsoft but now it seems to be possible clearing my doubts on arm a bit more.
Props to the linaro team and qualcomm for this!
Of course they won't only work with Microsoft. The cloud and datacenters run on Linux and Qualcomm already contributes heavily to the kernel. Android is also Linux based and a range of smartphones running Android use the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor
Linux on ARM...that's the way to go!😊
I'm hype for linux ARM laptops with real horsepower
I hope this will be on par with Apple's M Chips in REAL LIFE TEST. Excited for this to be release. Thank you for this great video
Based on what is known so far, and as it was always likely to be, it depends on what you’re doing. Single threaded it seems to beat M2, lose to M3 and M4, or a faster M3, will likely come out later this year. However, Apple need to revise their architecture a bit due to their version of meltdown turning up in their M series chips. Multi-threaded the X Elite seems to win because it doesn’t have any efficiency cores, at least based on what I can remember.
You also need to remember that this is the first chip they are launching. As such expecting it to win outright is more than a bit unlikely. It might never win outright, it would be nice if it is genuinely competitive though. I would love to get rid of my remaining Apple devices and save a bunch of money going forwards.
They are telling to be on par with M3 Pro in tests. But beating M3 is realistic.
Depends how you compare them, if you compare the 12 power cores X Elite with only the 4 power cores basic M2/M3, it's not that bad (if you can inore it's need 3x more power cores to beat them), but when you compare the 12 power cores against the 5/6 power cores and 6 efficiency cores, they only can tie, and that is actually not too good, if 5 adults and 6 childrens can tie against 12 adults in tug of war, the 12 adults can't be proud..
Also the basic M3 had 19W peak and 8W sustained power comsuption for example in Cinebench, and X Elite had 23W peak and 23W sustained (so it's a fanless design vs a chip which required cooling comparison, so that tiny bit difference between then is not looking good, also if you use it on 80W, you only gain 10% performance compared to the 23W version, so it's only 10% extra performance for 250% extra power comsumption?
@@TamasKiss-yk4st That 23 watt and 80 watt is whole system power. And benchmarks are here and M3 by 1000 points.
Even if it doesn't beat the M chips, it'll still be a huge leap forward in portability, efficiency and battery life for laptops. I'd totally get one of these just for the ability to run linux with stellar battery life and decent performance.
If they have OFFICIAL Linux and FreeBSD support, I will consider buying it!
Oh my god, this is awesome, I really did not think, I'd see Linux running on the 8cx and the new elite this quickly. Thanks linaro!!
I have waiting for this video forever since the launch of the Raspberry Pi 1 !
This is the best tech video and best news in the last 20 years. Better believe me.
Wait that means Linux drivers will be supported on day 1 release on snapdragon x elite, that's freaking awesome !
This is excellent news.
Good news, honestly was worried that laptops where going to become as locked down as phones. Good to see that's not becoming the trend so far
I just hope it is also open in the hardware side, it would be great to see swapable ssd or even ram
@@braugarduno3024 hope framework can make it possible (globally)
It's so beautiful. I'm not crying, you're crying!
I still have high hopes for RISC V 😉
It needs time to catch up. Who knows, maybe 3-4 years?
@@TheBadFred I can wait :)
I have high hopes for whatever will give me a better deal! Cheaper, higher quality, better performance and battery life and OPEN SOURCE DRIVERS AND FIRMWARE!
@@MnemonicCarrier I cannot. An ARM laptop that comes with linux out of the box is still a huge improvement from buying an x86 windows laptop and hoping linux will work seamlessly in it
@@godnyx117 I don't think that. We are not going to get SD X elite for a cheaper price. Considering Qualcomm they are bit pricey and that too this Chip is comparable with M3. Microsoft may bring a Surface Laptop fully optimised for ARM. Just now I got to know about the Lenovo Yoga 7 coming with this SD X elite. If we can get a laptop with this Chip for $1000 it will be a great one.
I love how excited they are explaining and showing everything
Now I will seriously consider one of these if I need a new laptop
exciting! Now let's go crazy making great linux hardware :)
I would like this on mini-PCs and NAS'es too! 👍
if the mini pc could just be a phone with x elit arm with dex or hdmi or type c video out. oh! im talking about steam deck
Very excited about this. Now very tempted to switch from mac m1 mac.
Now we just need to get RISC-V CPUs that are just as powerfull.
This is totally awesome I need!!!!
Hmmm. Linux support and full GPU acceleration? I may actually buy one of those. Will have to wait to see the build quality of the laptops though
I was waiting for this! 🐧
Upstreamed arm platforms are especially appropriated
only thing which made me happy this week
I'm thinking of picking up the Surface Pro 10 on arm later this year. I want to know if I can dual boot linux on it or not.
i hope it get as much as power efficient as m chips😊
Exciting!!
Nice!
Notice how he said "we worked quite closely with qualcomm". Finally
Finally!
Ого , отличные новости 👍
yay for linux of desktop
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Years ago I had am account on Linaros test cluster for Software porting and still waiting to have a 8core/16gb test system without big/little architecture. They were fast. The nvidia oryn dev kits are still a bit pricey. So maybe it'll be a laptop in the end..
My next Linux pc :). Retire my Amd T14 32G Gen 1
Im even more excited than the time that apple revealed m1
battery life is my main concern
How’s the power management? Does it have phone-like active standby?
When I tried it on my 8cx Gen 3 power management was bad. Maybe it has changed in the few months.
Oh yeah ⚡
If framework make a fully modular, fanless laptop with perfect linux support, then my life will be complete.
Is this a custom kernel module that I have to add or is this native one the arm version
It's built in like Android (also based on Linux kernel). ARM support is best.
Finally, no need for Asahi Linux!
Something portable and high-performance!
inner peace after watching this.
How about the status of the drivers, kernel headers/modules...
Closed or open? Don't get me wrong it's amazing, but you know how Linux users are
I would love to buy one of this for building software
Also want to know how it would be installing some packages based on debian platforms
Go go go linux
I'll wait for a real review
arm is a monster consortium but they still need more of a hw ecosystem - they should have faster iteration - we shall see - the latest benchmarks were great
What laptop(s) are these?
ThinkPad X13s on the left, reference Snapdragon X Elite laptop on the right.
Lee-Nuts so good
Wow. 😯
I will ditch Intel and AMD for such laptop
I would spend a serious chunk of money on a Linux tablet running an efficient CPU (no noisy fans) and good battery life.
But are the drivers open-source? Google provided only 3 years of software updates back when they were using QC chips for their Pixels, and if I remember correctly, their excuse was something like, "QC don't provide the driver updates after 3 years, so providing software update is meaningless." Won't this SD X1 be abandoned like that in a few years and you would either have to buy a new laptop or stuck with an old kernel/OS?
I want to know what the energy draw is for performance on these chips. Do they throttle on battery power? How long can you get from a full charge (from, say, a 70Whr battery)? The M-series CPUs sip power and outperform high end Intel chips. My wife's MacBook is fanless, completely silent, performs well, and lasts for about 3 or 4 days on a single charge. Will something like this be possible for Linux running on X Elite?
That’s the goal brother. With the Arm chips we shall probably get better battery life and better performance.
@@weiSane I really hope so. The last thing I want to do is leave Linux for MacOS.
@@MnemonicCarriercurrently my brand loyalty is to whoever can give me a product with good performance and longest battery and that’s Apple. If Linux on arm is great and we get good battery life and great performance on there too I reckon many of us developers currently using Macs may be consider jumping to Linux on arm. Exciting times ahead I only hope it’s as good as it’s being hyped up currently. It would be nice to enjoy the battery life and nice performance of Macs on a laptop running Linux.
Hopefully you’ll get to choose based on a few different configs.
@@RU-qv3jlThey are making lower spec Snapdragon X Plus also.
👍👍👍
You can actually run Linux on M1 and M2 already. Look up the Asahi Linux project, which is reverse-engineering and writing drivers for that hardware. They already support most of the internal hardware and even have a full OpenGL driver (as in, all GL and GLES versions are supported and pass official conformance tests - miles better than what Apple provides).
Because of that, M1 and M2 devices can already run Fedora, as well as a bunch of other ARM Linux distributions.
Can you run stuff like smooth real-time 4K60 video editing in an app like Davinci Resolve on M1/M2 Linux? Is the GPU driver of M1/M2 Linux as good as the GPU driver in Mac mode?
@@charbax I'm not really sure, sorry. I don't have a Mac - I'm just quite interested in it all so I was closely following the development.
The GPU drivers on Linux are better in terms of feature support and correctness, but might not be fully optimized in certain areas yet. When people were benchmarking games, some of them ran better under Linux and some better under MacOS I think.
But besides OpenGL and GL ES, there's also Metal on MacOS and Vulkan everywhere else. These are lower-level APIs and a Vulkan driver will have to be fully developed for Apple Silicon before we can really start playing most Steam games there. (They are designed for x86 Windows primarily and either target Vulkan or DirectX, but then can still be run on ARM Linux with Vulkan thanks to DXVK | vkd3d, Wine and FEX)
Oh, and there's OpenCL which some Video editors can make use of. Linux (including on M1 and M2) is quickly improving its support since like a year ago or so, while Mac OS is trying to convert everyone to Metal and in the process of removing it.
shiny touchpad is eternal on thinkpads.
Which Distroy do they use?
looks like Fedora
Qualcomm is doing upstream of linux drivers.
nice
Oh this got my hopes up ! i thought linux would be hard to run on these due to some bullshit extra chip inside or some proprietary firmware thing. I already know linux runs great on ARM, but this might be a game changer
Good or bad, some of us will be on Intel for awhile.
I worry about the quality of drivers on Linux.
It's 2024, not 2014
It's just a kernel and maintaining packages.
Thumbs up. Even though I'm now deaf from trying to EQ the sound in this video and boost the voices. That's a work for an ML model.
Sorry I just trusted the DJI Mic 2 microphones themselves, I thought they'd capture well enough audio, clear enough of background noise, but I wonder if I should use them with lapel microphones next time, to limit the background noise and improve clarity of the voice recording. Sorry about that! Just seems to quick and easy to use the DJI Mic 2 without a lapel mic attached! Perhaps I should've tested out DJI's background noise reduction algorithms too they have that function for the mic but I have decided to avoid using it as I wonder if they remove audio quality too when they do that noise reduction algorithm.
@@charbax Maybe you can do something in post? Anyway, that's for the next time.
The first (beta) I ran of Android was on HTC Windows CE phone (some Qualcomm 400 mhz processor)... and boot image was ofc Linux (setting up drivers)... and the OS was Linux also, but a java VM sort of variant... (which it is still sort of?)...
Sooo... Qualcomm ARM running Linux was 2010-2011'ish...
But anyway... this is linux hugging hardware fast.
Awesome!
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Now work on RISC-V :-) get a little competition... Maybe ARM is getting to "high end", and RISC-V can take over as the even more low power but still capable ISA... compared to Intel/AMD... then someone needs to tell Nvidia that it's just too much power/energy and they need to do more with less :-) (might be software, might be AI) but it's just too expensive and too much power...🙂
I filmed a Qualcomm Arm Powered Linux Android laptop in 2009 czcams.com/video/SXq__YWVAew/video.html I've been waiting all these 15+ years for them to get it right.. 😆
Kalau bisa jalanin virtual device di genymotion dan tetap dianggap HP🤔 sesuatu banget, pasti banyak pengguna linux yg dinantikan adalah ini
Dreammachine
It's time to use threeos systems.
Android + Windows + Linux.
my android phone has running linux for years
running and actually get things working are 2 different things. Your android phone can't actually do anything with that linux.
Please make it smaller 7 inch..
imagine if arm based cpu can replace small scale server
There are already large scale arm servers?
Have you tried Linux Mint on it? If so, how well does it work?
2:25
GNOME is ------licious
Charges brings the news again.
Very glad to see how good is linux growing, linux is everywhere
Great news! So why does this guy's mouth looks like the mouth of Sauron?
This guy is a terrible salesman. Almost sounded like he never actually expected anyone to talk to him! 😂
Given the issues in the past with the surface RT and the surface X and just about any ARM desktop, tablet and laptop up until now, with the exception of the PI there hasn't been many good selling points or desire for these types of devices.
Looks good except for the Gnome shit. Ship only with Plasma to not turn users off.
Most linux users are on gnome, calm down. Also, its linux, if it works well, just install what you want.
I don't think there are going to many laptops shipping with Linux anyway, it will have to be installed
who wants Debian anyway
Hey bro, brush your teeth.
who cares about the bloody gpu!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
X Elite will be a game changer
In what? Developers will ignore it because of the low market share.. the app store will be empty just like when Windows Phone died.. the first social media app released after 3 years, when everyone already leaved the platform because of no apps..)
@@TamasKiss-yk4st I think X Elite will allow more options for RAM and storage in a lower cost comparing to Apple M series while it can provide a similar processing power. Basically, it is cheaper version.