Lorna Luft & Judy Garland - Somebody's Daughter, Somebody's Son - Part 5
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- Lorna Luft & Judy Garland - Somebody's Daughter, Somebody's Son - Part 5.
Part of a UK documentary series focusing on the children of various show business icons who discuss their parents' lives away from the limelight. This was aired in the UK in 2004 - Zábava
Ms. Luft is NOT saying that her mother's fans shouldn't grieve, cry, etc. for her mother; she's merely allowing us to see how strange reality on the other side (daughter of a superstar/legend) can be. Imagine being a teen & not being able to deal with your mother's death w/o the world flapping on about THEIR definitive opinions of her life; crying as though she had belonged to THEM (not WRONG, just a WEIRD thing for a teen!); hearing total strangers assess where her family had gone "wrong," etc.
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Yeah I know its old but its one of the best documentaries on Judy Ive seen in a long time- maybe one day it will be shown here in the U.S. - Thanx
Judy was the great a star what else can be said about her. Her raw talent for acting her voice all made her brillant.
thank you sooooooooo very much for this tribute to a legend
I wouldn't trade places with celebrities for all the money in the world. To me, it's just not worth the sacrifice. The zooiness described by Ms. Luft is beyond my imagination.
Every single word ever written or recorded about the life of Judy Garland serves to underscore the unquestionable fact that she loved and adored her kids. I believe they were her proudest accomplishment, her motivation and foundation for many years, and her only TRUE sense of complete and meaningful joy.
I'm sure she loved her kids. But you also need to look at the facts. At the time of her death Garland was five thousand miles from her 14 and 16-year old children, hadn't been anywhere near them for some considerable time, and had just married a man that they'd never met or previously heard of. Prior to that their lives with Judy had been a blur or temporary homes, hotel rooms and midnight flits because they couldn't pay the bills. Mama was drunk and/or drugged most of the time, and her kids had been taught to replace the pharmaceuticals in her drug capsules with sugar in order to minimise the effects and the risk of overdoses. These days they all gush about how much she loved them and Liza tells anecdote about how "Mama was such fun". But she also got the hell out of her orbit as soon as she could. The truth is very different from the myths being spun in service of her legend. Don't be fooled.
ozvoyager I agree. I’m sure they had good times with their mother, but the harsh reality of living with addiction and mental illness in your home is quite different. ( for some reason they’ve never spoken about mental health at all, and I think they should-unless I’ve missed something) I don’t think Judy ever had a chance, although she was indeed intelligent enough to do something about it.I think these issues need to be addressed along with the harsh reality of show business and fame, and not glossed over. It’s made to seem glamorous or make things funny or interesting that clearly are not. It seems that both Liza & Lorna( especially Liza) talk about their experiences in fragments, which is very typical of trauma and abuse. They have to keep the spin going for the sake of Judy’s legacy and their own careers. They’re eternally trapped it seems into the world they were born into by their own doing. I sincerely hope they’ve all gotten private help.
very touching - thank you so much for posting this - why hasnt this been shown in the USA?
Lorna really loved thier Mom ! We all loved Judy ! I really miss Judy and know her kids miss her even more than her fans do !
Wish this was shown in the U.S.- Been trying to get a copy on dvd - thank you for sharing
This is so well done! Thanks again, fireflies! I didn't even know this existed.
Lorna Luft gives a very good honest account of her life, and many of us out her watching this can relate to what she says. Rather than most families being functional, they all can be dysfunctional in both small and large ways. In essence, the nature of the any family can be dysfunctional.
the best female entertainer ever !
THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER EVER... NO ONE COULD HOLD A MICROPHONE TO JUDY. NO ONE, NO BODY, MALE OR FEMALE. SHE WAS MAGNETIC. THEY SAY SHE HAD BUILT IN RADAR, SHE KNEW IF SOMEONE IN THE AUDIENCE WAS SITTING ON THEIR HANDS. SO SHE WOULD TARGET THAT PERSON UNTIL SHE CRACKED THEM. SHE WAS ONE IN A ZILLION, NEVER TO BE SEEN AGAIN, LIVE AND IN PERSON.
THE GREATEST ENTERTAINER EVER, MALE OR FEMALE. GIVE JUDY AN ORCHESTRA, A STAGE, AND AN AUDIENCE, AND A MICROPHONE ( if it's a large audience) AND SHE WOULD HAVE THEM ON THEIR FEET, SCREAMING, APPLAUDING, AND YELLING FOR MORE AFTER THE FIRST SONG. SHE WAS A MESMERIZING LADY, SHE TOUCHED HER AUDIENCE, SHE MADE THEM FEEL WHAT SHE WAS SAYING IN HER SONGS. AS MISS MIDLER ONCE SAID ABOUT JUDY, SHE WAS A NATURAL FEELING PERSON, WHO COULD MAKE YOU FEEL AS WELL WITH EVERY SONG SHE SANG. SHE WAS THE ABSOLUTE GREATEST, NO ONE IS EVEN CLOSE.
I had it recorded on a VHS video tape. Finally figured out how to get it onto DVD! I'll also be uploading the Tale of Two Sisters which is an interview with Lorna and Liza
But I do love seeing that she saw the reality of the entire situation, especially Mickey Deems, the last husband, "along for the ride".
I'll love Judy Garland, no matter what anyone says. If I were at the funeral, I probably would have been histerical. Even though I didn't know her personally. RIP, Miss Garland. :)
It may be considered passable that she didnt appreciate the loss of the fans at the time but after all these years later to look back on it and still have such a "poor me, how dare they cry" attitude to the fans whilst actually showing this much indignant attitude years later is just utterly self centred, appreciate the glory your mother was honoured with and how magical it was she touched people by receiveing such a spectacle. What would she really want to have happened, people are never happy
@ozboy39 It is a really good one. It was part of a BBC series over here. I wish they would repeat them all
love isn't supposed to kill, darlings, its their need for cruelty
I feel like Lorna Luft doesn’t like Mickey Dean
Does anyone know what song Judy starts singing at about 2:33? Thanks for posting these interviews with Lorna and Liza, great to get the real stories and understand their perspectives. They both seem like extraordinary women.
@ozboy39 Yes..this was shown in the UK some years ago now
It's sad how they weren't close to Judy towards the end of her life. Lorna just couldn't take the addiction and the new husbands anymore :(
Do you belong to Judys fan club in England ? Last week I got a dvd documentary from the club on Judys 1957 Domion concert- with footage behind the stage of Judy for a few minutes or two- its the clubs first attempt on making a dvd of stuff related to Judy -
@ozboy39 No I don't. But that sounds really good!
While the papers intimate stories may have been disturbing she did not speak of this,she said she felt angry that these people who had admired Judy had no right to be crying or lining the streets. so what then? Did she want empty streets! The funeral was for Judy and I think she appreciated it. Self pity after all this time? Really, she should see the service was for her mum and was majestic this was her mothers last goodbye to fans yet still she doesn't understand or appreciate it to this day.
I agree
nobody read Gerald Clarks 'get happy' he wrote alot of lies about judy and made her to look like a headcase, and when lorna rang him to tell him he had made errors in his book, he had the nerve to tell lorna SHE was wrong, her own daughter was wrong about her mother life because sum money grabbing author wants money
It's her mother ...and she's "fucking rude"?
Everyone blaming the children. It's absolutely ridiculous. She had a job to do as a mother! It was not the children's job to watch their mum kill herself with drugs and mood swings. Kidding me?
She chased rainbows and Joe (her youngest son) with a knife.
The studio failed Judy and so she failed her children.. NOT THEM HER!
If all the people who "loved her" had contributed two or three dollars each
she could have paid off the IRS debt. Why the embezzlars weren't held
criminally and civilly liable is beyond any senseble answer.
Watching this video makes me think of Whitney Houston's daughter, Bobbi Kristina. Sad
The children of narcissists are often totally destroyed by their overbearing, demanding parents. Lorna seems to have weathered the storm very well.
Steve Cox I’ve never resolved to figure out exactly how Judy Garland really was. We will never know. All her children seem to want to remember is all the good things. I thought she was either codependent or a covert narcissist, but those are complex things even when you’re living around it. I also believe she didn’t die of an overdose, based on other statements, but maybe her children don’t even really know.
Steve, Everything I have ever read, says that Judy was a great Mom. She absolutely ADORED HER KIDS. Her tribute to her kids on her TV SHOW was marvelous. And to have a song written for Lorna because one didn't exist. Was s wonderful thing to do. It appears, that Judys kids really loved her as much as she loved them. I believe she felt that her kids were her greatest achievement. Followed by a career that touched and is still touching Millions upon Millions of people 51 years after her death. That is greatness at it's unbelievable best.
@@lindseysanders3656 Probably Borderline personality disorder, I had a "mother" who was very similar, also very talented, just not famous. and much more abusive. My now late little brother (suicide) and I were removed from both of our abusive parents, and I am a survivor of this kind of parenting. Sigh, that diagnosis was not even in the DSM at that time. Look up the criterion though, she checks off nearly every benchmark. She was DEF a victim in childhood of her "mother" and the "entertainment" system, but as adults we ALL have choices, and many people were addicts back then, they still are today, and did not do what she did. Without her great talent, no one would have cared about her at all. And people did try to help her, but that was NEVER her children's job. JMO
Lucy Roth I’m sorry for what you had to endure but I’m grateful to hear you survived. I do think Judy was a classic Borderline case, along with co-morbid NPD/traits possibly. I guess Borderline can have many co-dependent characteristics. I have seen it as well in my friend that was diagnosed BPD. If you watch/listen to many of her preserved appearances/interviews it paints a grim picture. She was so talented, and even seemed likable but very troubled, and it saddens me that she was exploited despite these issues. Her children still keep up her public image today and they shouldn’t have to. It’s too large a burden for family/friends. Judy was able to hide behind the publicity and image while she was alive, not able to get the help that she sorely needed. Very sad.
@@lindseysanders3656 Thank you for the kind words, I have forgiven my late mother and even my "father" (abusive pedophile and probably a psychotic or anti social narcississit. I realize that they were both very sick, and should have never been allowed to have children, as was Frances Gumm. But GOD brought some interesting and productive people into the world, in spite of our parents deficits. All we can do is forgive and heal. "Judy" was a phenomenal talent, but truth is still truth. And often us adult survivors of abuse paint our abusive parents in the best light possible. At least Lorna seems to be a lot more honest especially with herself, than Liza was. I feel for both of them, and thank GOD that there is real help now for addicts,and people with personality disorders and mental illness as well. Of course, one has to WANT to be helped, and sadly, many people do not. I broke the cycle of abuse in my "family" and my son has never known even one second of the childhood that I survived. Thank you again for your kind response. RIP "Judy Garland" I hope you are finally at peace.
I would never in a million years say anything as negative about my mom, as Lorna has about her mom. She sounds as though she's having a pity party for herself. Judy was a victim, she was ripped off by everyone around her. One of the biggest offenders, was her daddy Sid Luft. Judy was broke, and Sid wasn't. I wonder how that happened. When a person has an accountant, and their taxes don't get paid, the accountant should be responsible, it is part of their job. Judy's managers, accounts, and husband (Sid) all had money, but Judy didn't, figure it out. Judy worked her rear end off, and had no money to show for it. All these rip off artists belonged in Jail. A life time of working her rearend off, and no money to show for it. If Judy had some money, maybe she would have lived a few more years.
ok look look at herm she Just Garland was ill, Janet Leigh talked sed about her behaviors with and give no detailsin her n her book, but this follow through with her behavior, by mayn people, She needed help. i were was Siid Luft did her spend her money what is the deal. I wish we understood more about addiction in 60.
Laraee, would you rewrite what you said, I don't understand anything you said. Not one word.
@@terrysmith8749 ok i said look at her, she was ill, the actress Janet Leigh wrote in her book that her behaviors in the late to mid 1960's was not the bright person she remembered, She needed help . were was Sud Luft or other close friends, i believe he mismanaged her money, i read he sold her contract to people she did not know for 50 grand i said i wish we understood more about addiction int he 1960;s it was al abel a women maybe could not shake and mean shame i think.
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I'm sure she doesn't intend it, but Lorna Luft comes off sounding very bitter while she convinces us that she's just fine....and i agree, the thing about fans caring enough to cry is completely lost on her.
Even though it was understandable at the time, she should by now in her years have enough capacity to appreciate the wonderful outpouring presented in her mothers honour. I think its a tragedy she didn't receive it with the love in which it was intended. I think its very selfish and indulgent to be expressing sentiments like this, it wasn't about her it was for her mother surely some acknowledgement to her fans to close, but no,still self pitying. What did she want? Nobody to come? Selfish.
A selfish perspective and slightly warped to be annoyed at the people grieving for her mother, I guess there are a thousand ways to see the same thing, its a shame she still feels pity for herself instead of appreciating the honour and love of her fans. Sometimes its a tragedy when people cant take a gift, nobody else would have their mother so deeply respected and reality is she probably got more sympathy than a million other non famous people's kids ever get who lose parents in a similar way.
after all these years Judy remains loved and cherished; miss luft mistakenly believes that only family members can love a deceased one; this is so misguided and only adds to her grief. there are many kinds of love-----"that all there is love is all we know of love" emily dickinson
Why didn’t she become a nurse or a pilot? She has no star quality.
It was a bottomless pit created by someone else. That relationship with her mother was horrible and her mother was horrible. There is nothing worse than not being loved or cared about, especially by one of your own parents.
You left her!
Laura Crader
Yeah being a kid dealing with drug addiction in a patent can be incredibly hard. Let alone not fair on a child.
Lizas got the talent, i dont know why lorna decided to go into show biz she doesnt have what it takes.
Lorna has a beautiful voice. Her and Liza both are talented singers.
Lorna seems like a horrible person. People can cry for whatever they feel sorrow for. And of course Judy was “tragic” she died of a drug overdose at 47.
Intelligence doesn’t run in this family
Lorna failed her mother. As did Liza. So many people failed Judy.. along with the industry. Her children abandoned her and then they wanna sob and say oh this is why i had my own addiction with drugs. My mother was addicted to alcohol growing up.. I chose to live a mature life without that stuff.
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Omg what? She was a child her mum was a drug addict. What did you want a young girl to do? What do you expect children to do? She chased Joey her youngest kid and son around with a knife!
The studio failed Judy and so she failed the kids. Not their fault!
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I always prefered Liza than Lorna, all her life it's been " All about me" it must be a lot of pressure having to live up to her mother and sister's talent. She has made and still is making a living on the backs of them. I don't regard her as talented. But no doubt she has never had the money or fame as Liza. I never understood after growing up with what they saw..why they got involved with drink drugs and men. A family of uncontrollable demons