Hasegawa 1/32 P-12E: Painting Begins and a Colour Quandary
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Update on the Hasegawa 1/32 scale Boeing P-12E build. Assembly, details added, a colour mystery and the beginning of the painting process.
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Excellent! My F4B build of this kit went very well!😊
Thank you! Glad to hear the F4B-4 went well, one day I'll get to that kit.
@@warpedplastic It's the same kit with an arrestor hook 🙂
@@jcwoodman5285 More or less, yes. The fuselage is a different moulding to account for the F4B headrest and wider fin, and there are some detail and panel line differences, though not all are accurate. The wings are the same in both kits, but they're more appropriate to the F4B than the P-12 so need to be modified to suit the latter.
It might be squadron dependent as to color assigned. It looks like it will be quite a stunning plane when finished.
That's kind of what Dana Bell says, each flight in a squadron would have its own colour, but it's unknown what the flight colours in the 27th were.
It's coming along nicely.
For what it's worth, I agree with your reasoning on the colour of the stripe and when you started listing the various colours, I thought that orange would be the most likely. As you said, if nobody knows if it was red, orange or yellow, nobody can say your choice is wrong. When I'm faced with rigging, I use the method I learned from the CZcams channel by SteamGeezer, which involves making and installing turnbuckles and rigging between those rather than directly into the plastic. Adding turnbuckles before attaching the wings makes the whole process a lot easier, even if it's not possible to leave the top wing off, which I feel is the secret to rigging a biplane.
Many thanks for the comments. The turnbuckles on the P-12E are mostly internal, unlike a lot of WWI aircraft, so I'll just be inserting the wires straight into the wings.
@@warpedplastic I didn't know that! My main area of interest is WW2 and my knowledge of WW1 is very limited, but today it's improved!
Hello sir great to see your back and as crazy as ever some nice modelling there mate 👍 all the best from the UK and happy modelling everyone 😀
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You're building a beautiful example of this aircraft, can't wait to see the finished model, now about color your choice of International Orange I think it's spot-on it fits with the garish, outlandish high visibility paint schemes of this time period, and besides since there is no actual color photographs or real life example in existence you as the model builder have been given artistic license! Now if you wanted to go to the Library of Congress or the military archives in Washington DC and sift boxes and boxes of documents I'm sure somewhere in a warehouse or in the Library of Congress is the actual color code and formula used for that aircraft I'm sure it exists! but it's buried somewhere in a warehouse Visa Vie Raiders of the Lost Ark😂 the other problem with black and white photography (as you explain) the type of camera, the time of day, the amount of light, the type of film all affected the grayscale or hue of the photograph and that's black and white photography is extremely unreliable to try and use for color palettes however there are some new tools that you can use to guide you there are online free AI powered conversion software that can take a black and white photograph and using Ai and it can guess based on the grayscale and known color composites AI can make a very educated guess as to what the actual colors are and it can colorize a black and white photo for you, I've used this before and it's pretty damn good in fact there are many colorized black and white videos and photos on CZcams using this AI technology and for the most part they get it right, just a thought you might want scan that black and white photo that you have of your aircraft upload it to the AI colorization website and see what AI thinks the color is! Now as far as the controversy about orange yellow versus Chrome yellow paint wasn't just used for identification on these aircraft, but it was also used to protect the surfaces the wings and tail surfaces, early biplanes were covered with linen (linen unfortunately is very susceptible to sun damage) which over a short period of time would actually dry rot the fabric to help counter this damage from the Sun (a lot of people don't know) in this time period they added aluminum oxide to the paint that they used to paint the wings and surfaces so that's why it's called Chrome yellow it's actually yellow paint with aluminum oxide added to it (the same aluminum oxide that they painted the Hindenburg with) for the same reasons so this further complicates matters because unless you're using a paint that actually has aluminum oxide in it you won't get the same Hue and reflection, the replicate this with most model building paint but you have to add the aluminum oxide yourself and trust me the difference is very noticeable the aluminum oxide added to the paint creates almost a metal flake appearance-model car builders know all about this!!! So here's the point where model aircraft Builders from this time period can take a lesson from model car builders when dealing with metal flake paints. I learned about this because I'm building a large-scale Nieuport 28 World War 1 fighter and it turns out that they were adding aluminum oxide even to the camouflage colors even in World War 1, it took extensive research and finally I found a website where this World War 1 model builder dealt with the subject of aluminum oxide and its effect on various color palettes he even gives the color profile and the ratios to use and I can tell you that it definitely changes the appearance of the color, as I've learned as a lifelong model builder building a model is 20% building, 80% research and 200% staring at the model trying to figure out how am I going to do this? LOL happy model building my friend!
Many thanks for the kind words! The next update on this build will be up very soon. Thanks also for the information on the AI colour tool, I wasn't aware such a thing existed but in this day of technological marvels it's no surprise. I'll give it a go and perhaps include the results in a future update video.
I believe the Chrome Yellow name came later than the P-12E's day (and quite possibly an invention of the hobby paint manufacturers!) but it makes sense given the Aluminum Oxide additive. I knew the Germans added Aluminum Oxide to their finish coats in WWI, however British aircraft used a Red (Iron) Oxide primer under their colour coats for the same reasons. I note that none of the museum examples of pre-war US Army & Navy aircraft have any indication of a metallic hue to their yellow wings so I'm wondering if the Aluminum additive actually had that effect on the paint. Certainly I've never seen any reference that stated the paint was actually metallic and it should be noted that Aluminum Oxide is actually white, not silver, unlike the purer form of the metal.
Many thanks for the comments.
The great colour conundrum! If I'm doing a movie character, I look for well lit photos of their original costume. Then I load the pic into PhotoShop and select what I need with the colour picker. This gives me an RGB code, I then put this into a site that translates that into an RAL paint colour. From there I find a colour converter which matches the RAL number with available model paints. However, in the case of a 1/35 Ford Mutt I was doing, I got a Squadron book on it which gave all the Federal Standard codes which I then matched to model paints.
In your case, being as nobody can seem to agree what the colours were, anything you choose should look right.
That's as reliable a method as any to come up with paint matches, though of course you're still left to make a best guess when it comes to b & w photos. Many thanks for the comments.
@@warpedplastic Yeah, definitely. I tried to come up with a convincing flesh tone for a bust of Frankenstein's Monster once. Gave up in the end and sold it, my biggest regret ever!
Looking good and thanks for that tip about drilling the rigging holes. I wish I’d known that several bi-planes ago.
You're very welcome and thank you for watching!
Looking good Andy! I have been enjoying this build and have had lot's of excellent nap time between episodes.
Looking forward to watching you struggle with thin decal for the pin striping, does that stuff curve at all?
Thanks fella! I'll be using Microscale 1/64" pinstripes and yes, it goes around curves quite easily.
I would paint that stripe an orangey/yellowy/reddy colour!!😂!
Good one! 😄
Is there not a museum somewhere that can assist with the paint?
Perhaps, but of the three preserved P-12Es that I know of ( one's in Thailand), not one served in the 27th Pursuit Sqn or is painted in their markings, so chances are the museum would have no information on the colours. I consider Dana Bell to be somewhat of an expert on such things so if he doesn't know, probably no one does. Many thanks for the comments.
How about a green stripe?
It's not impossible, but blue, green or fuchsia is not in any reference I've seen!
Oh cool you jam out.
I try!