The Story of the Famicom Disk System
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- Gaming Historian tells you everything you need to know about the Famicom Disk System. Nintendo considered the Disk System the future of the Famicom, and promised bigger, cheaper games. Did it live up to the hype?
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Nintendo is constantly like, “Well this idea didn’t pan out. Keep it alive for 3 decades.”
Super was supposed to have a cd attachment but it never did
@@marioiacolucci it did get a satellite add-on I think
@@AverageSynth oh cool my xbox just died on wed smoke started coming out of the left side so i shut off I got rid of it I'm buying another one not worth it I went through 3 original xbox systems I still have super nes n64 and Japan nes family game and my tablet to play games I'm not buying ps5 or the next xbox I'm done with consoles good luck to people who buy ps5 and the next xbox hopefully they dont have a overheating issue also used to have xbox 360 and ps3 but they broke i don't feel the hype anymore like i use too anyway enough said later
@@marioiacolucci when quarantine ends I would take it into a repair shop if I were you
@@AverageSynth too late I already got rid of and all the games dropped it off at donation bin I didn't have many games anyway so it's okay
Fun fact: Disk-Kun actually makes a cameo in the new Mario movie on a sign in Brooklyn. Keep your eyes peeled for him!
me when i lie
The disc writing machine is the coolest concept ever. Imagine being able to take your PS4 games you didn’t wanna play anymore, pay $5 and have a new game written over it. Unbelievable.
I know this is over a year old, But I Love that concept!
I've just got Famicom Mini a few days ago, and I love how it emulated tiny details like Disk System loading screens.
The "funding" part at the end gave me serious PBS vibes. All it needed was "and from viewers like you!"
Gaming historian : " THANK YOU . "
Same, pretty sure this was intentional
He forgot to mention that the larger games had their data spread over both sides of the floppy, so frequent switching during breaks in gameplay (think entering a dungeon in Zelda) would be a staple of your gaming sessions.
Combine that with the load times, and it honestly became kind of a pain to use. This only hastened the Disk System's demise once cartridges started catching up in terms of storage, as well as adding new mapper chips to allow for more advanced graphics and diagonal scrolling (like the stuff the FDS had on-board except eventually better).
The only time I have experienced switching sides on a FDS game is at the beginning of the game. It uses 1 side to boot the game, the other to play.
One wonders if a FDS with two read heads could have saved the format.
The market in 1987: There was no advantage to a disk rather than a cartridge
Nintendo in 2017: There is no advantage to a disk rather than a cartridge
We've come full circle. Old habits die hard
N64, too
To be fair, the switch is a portable system, disk systems don't work well on portable hardware.
Disks are cheaper to make with a higher capacity.
@@rsplayer2006 the original PSP would like to differ
You’re telling me they sold blank disks to be able to buy and write your own games on them? Who is this and what did they do with Nintendo?!?
They're just the most butthurt when people pirate, but on the flip side they have a history of being the easiest to pirate even still today
Support up to 2007?! That is damn impressive.
they only stopped due to lack of parts
Japanese companies take customer support VERY seriously.
+Shinku Quickman I think that the rest of the world could take a leaf out of their book, to be honest.
Not if it's Sony. They'd rather drop support for their flagship smartphones even as soon as 6 months after the release in some cases only to release a reiterated slightly altered version of it and call it a new model (soon to be abandoned the same way), leaving the older version to the community to handle it instead (and turning the blind eye to a lot of what the community does)... on one hand it's smart business wise for the finances and allows them to focus on new things, yet this is just so nasty against those who aren't powerusers to be able to take advantage of what the community brings to the table...
Who the fuck buys a Sony phone?
I was going to pass on this video because I already knew a lot about the disk system.
I decided to watch it and found that I didn't know squat about the disk system.
Haha, same. I have one, and only knew maybe half of that information.
I also learned alot..lol.
Gaming Historian episodes in a nutshell. Other than the "going to pass" part, at least for me XD.
Yeah, this guy is awesome!
sonicdoesfrontflips I
The Disk System could be charged with *6 C* Batteries
Angry Video Game Nerd: *spits out drink* What!?!?!?
Dammit. I NEED ANOTHER BEER MOM!!
"What are you gonna do with batteries? Play at the fucking beach?
@@MarceloJavier83 Nintendo:super Famicom is launched
“WHAT WERE THEY THINKING!?”
AAAAAAAAA$$$$$$$
The NES was specifically designed to have a disk system of its own. The cartridge connector has 10 pins that directly connect to the expansion port on the bottom, so that the connection would be internal. Sadly, they deleted the sound expansion pins from the cartridge connector because of this. So, not only did we not get a disk system, we also ended up with inferior soundtracks on several NES games.
does anyone remember the feeling when you had to leave your nes on overnight so you didn't lose data?
I had my Famicom turned on for several days, it still saves my data although all of my games having dead CMOS battery.
KakyokuMeansSong I forgot all about that
Ya but my friend got to the end of Zelda and the console froze.
John Smith dead battery?
I can't tear down the cartridge and I don't have a vice to press the cartridge open.
This guy's hair never fails to surprise me on every video.
Flávio Lima yes! So gorgeous.
Hilarious. I was just thinking, my hair is about as long as his after a lifetime of trying. His sits majestically on either side of his face, every hair in place-- mine attacks the sides of my face like it's got other plans... It must be that Nintendo Power.
I love rolling one up... and listening to the past here. Love it
@@mrcontroversy222 Same here m8 👊
lmao
Kid Icarus was finished 3 days before release.. Amazing hard work.. unlike today where games aren't even finished months AFTER the release :/ 0-day patches and all
stop making publishers rush, then.
+Giordan Diodato
Lol, so you are blaming gamers for their unfinished bullshit?
That basically sums up Big Rigs: Over the Road Racing prefectly.
Perfectly*
Fuck you, you smug prick. Videogame programmers work over 100 hours a week in some cases. They famously work ungodly hours so smug little picks like you can say dumb shit. Fuck off. Kid Icarus is not the same as a 2019 3D game.
I remember the first time I went to Japan with my dad and I saw one of the disk writer kiosks. I asked him what it was, and he just said "History."
Hello ladies & gentlemen,
Today you'll get to learn all about the Famicom Disk System. I've always liked this add-on. I understand why it never took off, but it's still really cool. I play mine quite a bit.
This is the first episode made after moving to my new home. I'm finally settled in, so expect regular episodes again. Thanks for your patience, and hope you enjoy!
Did you hear about the new Nintendo console with 30 NES games built in? What are your thoughts on it? Great video by the way, I'm a huge fan!
i was waithing that you make this video
It is being released in November
I love this channel 10/10
+Cooladee what
man, norm, your use of pokemon TCG music takes me right back to being a kid every time.
It's a wonderful soundtrack!
It's one of my all-time favorite GBC soundtracks-- scratch that, one of my all-time favorite _videogame_ soundtracks, period. I like it so much I actually ripped the soundtrack and made mp3s of it for myself and my friends years and years back.
Pokemon is for babies
+DontrelleRoosevelt Pokémon is not for babies
Ethan White It's such a baby game lol
Really well done Gaming Historian! I learned a lot. I just did a video on the Famicom Disk System also. Really fun piece of hardware.
*OH MY GAWD!!!!!!!*
Heyyy bawwbbyyy
Hey bawby
I remember these were available in the Philippines. This was a great add-on on my famicom. I had a lot of games and they were cheap. But the drawback was loading took more time compared to the cartridges. I liked the system until today.
Until today? Why, what happened today to change your mind?
Available in Philippines? Wow too bad I don't see the FDS in Malaysia back in the day. People still using Famicom until PS1 era.
Yes, this fds was available 1990 - 1993. The Philippines was catching up with the Famicom trend, and few stores copied bootleg games on the disk system at that time. I even had a small business to let gamers play their favorite games. It lasted 3 short years until a competitor set up 3 TV and rented games on cartridges. But I had a few loyal customers playing video games during their P.E. class. Such fun times.
The Filipinos were always catching up with the latest trends around the world.
They were not available anymore.
Just when I think you couldn't look any nerdier, you go and grow your hair out......
AND TOTALLY REDEEM YOURSELF!
This is a great reference, +1
Game chasers!!!!! :D
HAHA
This should become a movie.
I don’t know why but with his long hair he reminds me of Lord Farquiad
In case anyone was still wondering (it was driving me nuts off and on for the last couple of months), the music at 0:52 is from Esper Dream.
The composer, Kinuyo Yamashita, also did the music for Castlevania (NES). Esper Dream is one of her lesser known works. It's a great soundtrack.
What’s the one at 10:51?
@@OrigamiWithAmaan Earthbound Hotel music
What about the intro music that ends just before 0:52?
@@QUIZFILTER thats the good ol Wii Shop music
I saw that the previous owner’s name “川島”: kawashima is written on one of the disk system disks that he showed on the video.
So that's where Diskun comes from. I worked hard in Melee to get that trophie.
Said it before and I'll say it again, thank you for all your efforts in making these videos. They are highly entertaining.
and hella educational! awesome job as always
agree
You are most welcome, thank you for watching :)
+Gaming Historian This is awesome video 😎
@7:10 Except, illegal copies have nothing to do with "piracy." If it was catching on more, there would have been (more) people arround to circumvent it.
@12:38 Yeah, what is not in your words is not on your mind. Governments created the concept of copyright and companies ain't question it because it benefits them.
@14:05 I personally would not buy this in murika. Japan seems to have better prices.
Your hair is becoming more controversial than Pat Contri's.
No beard yet. Thank God
excuse me, are you being an antibeardite? nobody likes an antibeardite
"especially before you lose it" - absolutely; i grew mine out in college and everyone gave me shit for it, but guess what happened in my mid-20s..............it started falling out and now at 31 i've had a shaved head for the last six years
That was really interesting. I'd never even heard of this before!
Because pirating video games in Taiwan is highly prevalent, people mostly buy modded consoles there, except for people who specifically play online.
It is cheaper for video game stores to buy consoles, mod them, sell them at a really high price then sell games for the price of the bootleg discs.
Long story short, I had a SNES that ran on floppy discs.
Used to see a lot of stores in Hong Kong selling games on floppy disk.
There's a list over 500 games in stores , u pick the number assigned to each game. You then come back in half an hour to collect it.
It only cost like $20 per game.
I see that in past like disk converted from a cartridge
They couldn't pull the plug on this one,
They had to take the batteries out!
jjjoshiii gather your stuff. You're fired.
jjjoshiii nice one 👌
(Comedy drums)
Now my parents can't take my Nintendo because they don't know how it works.
#Nevergonnagetgroundedfrommynintendo
Ha! Good one!
Yeah I find the disk system pretty neat and respectable. What I think is really interesting is the Satellaview. That's something I would have loved to of had the chance to experience somehow. Another good gaming history video, Norm!
Yeah, the Satellaview is one of those few rare things we may never quite be able to experience properly without a time machine. I mean, ROM dumps exist of some things but pretty much all the Soundlink streamed soundtracks are currently considered lost to the sands of time (unless Nintendo or St. Giga have copies stashed away somewhere), so unless dumps of those surface, all we have are various dumped ROMs with no music (though most of them have been modified to play regular SPC music because it's better than nothing). Kinda sad in a way.
Redhotsmasher Yeah I've watched a lot of videos on the Satellaview on youtube. I knew of Xband back in the day, but Satellaview is still something that I had no idea ever existed.
That hair is glorious!
lol gettin his blind guardian on.
I actually don't like it that much
*gorgeous*
the 90s called they want their haircut back
6-12 month you are talking Atreyu from The Never Ending Story!!!
I just found this video years later. Thank you for making it. It brings back fond memories of my childhood back in the Philippines where all we had was the famicom.
12:50 the background music is fantastic.
And dont know why you dont have 3 million followers. Your videos are just perfect.
Work in progress!
Gregorio Lobato History -> less mass appeal. Retro gaming's audience in general is somewhat limited. Compare that to stuff like Pewdipie, top 10 clickbait lists and channels like Machinima and IGN -> the lowest common denominator.
Gregorio Lobato If I'm not mistaken, basically all retro gaming channels have less than 500K subscribers, AVGN being an exception.
Mynthon JonTron
I think it's because unlike a certain other retro gaming reviewer, he doesn't curse up a storm. Half the fun of AVGN is watching him loose and start screaming.
It's amazing how innovative Nintendo can be and yet be so bad at licensing.
Phoenix Wright
Objection! Nintendo was merely trying to experiment with disk systems
OBJECTION! Nintendo claimed they would only release games for the disk system after its launch! That doesn't sound like an experiment to me, it was clearly intended to become the focus of the Famicom!
Because the innovation came from the skilled engineers and the licensing came from greedy and stupid businessmen.
64KB per side was absolutely pathetic. Even the Commodore VIC-20 in 1980 could store almost 180KB per side on a diskette!
That's right, 5.25 inch diskettes are physically larger than these, aren't they? Well, the earliest widespread uses of 3.5 inch diskettes used 400KB per side in the case of the Macintosh, or 800KB for the double density models. The earliest PCs with 3.5 inch diskettes could hold 720KB and later up to 2.88MB on one diskette!
Nintendo just engineered it like shit.
@@AiOinc1 Quality over quantity, Nintendo's games were much better.
I grew up in the Famicom and floppy disk era, so this was really entertaining to look back. Thanks for such detailed coverage.
Your topics are well researched, your presentation style is flawless, I am a. HUGE fan of Gaming Historiann.
Norm you are awesome! I started gaming in the NES era and have always loved classic games. Now my 7 year old son loves them, too! Your channel is one of his favorites, and has really helped develop his appreciation for classic games. He's ready to start collecting, and I think a famicom with disk system may be a good place for him to start. Thanks again! keep producing awesome content!
Yet here we are today paying full price for digital download
William Baker it seems a large portion of the cost was for the parts in the cartridge, rather than the game.
That’s Nintendo being greedy as they always been even PS4 has sales occasionally, on physical copies if you are wiling to wait, I bought uncharted 4 for 50 instead of 80 (Canadian dollar sucks) good luck with Mario odyssey ever dropping that much.....
inflation
@@trifecta9810 why
William Baker all around me are familiar faces worn out faces..
Dude your channel is amazing. I been binging all these videos. Keep up the great content
Wow. Your videos are just absolutely amazing. Well researched and a complete pleasure to watch. Thanks!
Awesome episode :)
Dead channel
@@Sociopastor nope
hey verifed guy
Dude I love you and your hair is fabulous
amazing
He wanted to try something outside the 'NORM'! HAHAHAhaha ha...eh...I'll see myself out...
+Ben Young looks like you have "Ben" working on your puns
Since I was 'Young.' I try, but they're nothing to 'crow' about ;)
I guess 'raving' a lot about puns
I'm surprised the issue of the microphone in the Player 2 controller wasn't mentioned. I guess some games had vocal commands?? I loved this! Never knew it could be battery operated OR about the secret port. I've been loving this channel lately!
Not only is this video great, but that Earthbound music going in the background was really great and brought back many memories.
5:51 I really hope Nintendo somehow revives that warm, analog noise that the Disk system has here. I love how soft the instruments sound compared to the cartridge.
Nintendo seemed obsessed with disk add ons that fail until the 64DD.
After that, the console *was* the disc drive.
@@renakunisaki then it failed
@@BillehBobJoe They still made money on the Gamecube despite relatively low sales. Not exactly a failure. And the Wii certainly wasnt a failure
There biggest disk fail was rejecting Sony and going with Phillips at last min. Creating a Titian in the market. PlayStation
@@jordantruax2389 Sony was going to take them to the cleaners harder than a vindictive ex-wife. Sony was already eyeing the console market themselves and were going to try and effectively hijack the SNES from Nintendo (Sony drafted the contract, and snuck in contract clauses that gave all SNES-CD software royalties to Sony and gave Sony the rights to make a standalone SNES-CD console after a year or so, with Nintendo getting almost no royalties from the sales of it). Nintendo's only mistake was not catching on to Sony's game sooner
I love your channel! Please never stop producing new episodes!
The music at the end of the video always makes my happy and have nostalgic memories for some reason 😌
Love your show man. Your content is always top notch. Love the professional "PBS" style you have going. Very Classy.
Thanks for your amazing work.
U are cool
always quality on this channel
thank you for sharing it
I love the sound on the disk format because it had extra sound channel
I like the cart version of Legend of Zelda's music sooo much more. I feel that the limitations actually prevented excessive flourishes in the melody
"The Gaming Historian is brought to you by the all-new Nintendo Wii. Watch your games blossom. And by viewers like you. Thank you."
Love your videos always look forward to watching new and old
I love your videos so much! I have watched them all more than once you are one of my favorite creators on CZcams!
"Sometimes, a console just isnt enough" SEGA
Wow, I've never heard of this before. I'm surprised by how major this peripheral was - usually peripherals you've never heard of only sell a few thousand units.
10:05 - that background music is so nostalgic that I wanna visit it again.
What an amazing video my friend, I thought I knew everything about the disk system, But you blew my mind with that video :)
this channel deserves waaaay more subs
4:18 - Pokémon TCG GBC dueling music!
Nice picture quality. You clearly know what your doing with your camera and lighting rigs. Great vid too, never knew this existed.
Up until now, I never _really_ bothered to look up what the FDS actually was. I had a vague idea but that was it. Really glad I found this video! It's detailed but still straight to the point. Thank you!
love the earthbound music
Everyone does
"I can feel Ms. Pauling coursing thru my veins!"
I'm here enjoying the Pokemon TCG Main Duel Theme from 6:02 to 10:02
Great video, very informative!
Here's hoping you'll do a video about the PC engine in the future ;3
I second that!
I could see this show on something like a PBS Channel
Awesome video. It tells the origin and all the facts about the legendary Famicom and the supplementary disk reader. This system was a childhood dream to many. I still remember the disks were so much cheaper than cartridges but they could be out of order so easily. Stores selling games on disks became so popular because games were so cheap and widely available. In fact, similar systems were made by many unofficial manufacturers for Super Famicom, as cartridges were way more expensive than 1.44" disks.
@Gaming Historian, thanks to this video, which feature Famicom Detective Club, the remakes of the first game and its prequel are now going to be released worldwide and localized, you've done it again Norman
If there's one thing this series teaches you, it's that there's almost a limitless level of creativity embedded in the Japanese culture! Whether it's creating characters that we can relate to and spend time exploring these puzzle worlds, or if it's simple five and six button gaming computer systems from the '80s and '90s that still work today, the fact that one or two companies we're able to dominate the entire world market as long as they did it's such an incredible thing
the sound on the cartridge version of zelda sounded a step up from the disc version to me, not a step down
If you listen to the full ost you will love it
The extra audio channel makes a big difference
It's prolly because you're used to the "original".
No the cart version is MUCH cleaner. I asked 5 of my friends which was which and all had cart over disc going by this videos music
Yea that's not because the hardware is better, they just made it glow amazingly on the cart two years later, basically found a better sound. But the metroid Intro is definitely better taking advantage of the extra channel.
I went to costa rica back in the day and they had the famicom...there was arcades where you'd go upstairs to play famicom disk games at an hourly rate.....it was nuts to see the disk system operating and having so many games to be able to play...
Totally subscribing! Love you man!
Keep your beautiful flowing hair! DON'T LET THE HATERS KEEP YOU DOWN!!!
That Pokemon TCG song... Flipping tails every time.
I kept thinking to myself, I know this song.... But I couldn't quite get it lol. Thanks
@@fcm101284 same!
Don't remember hearing about this. Thanks for covering it!
Good work, loving your videos
I love how happy Mario is to be playing NES Golf as himself🤣😁
Man, Nintendo has such a fuckin' cool and rich history. Thanks for the upload, Norm!
Don't forget about Sega & Atari ;-)
+Kayfabe Broken They're all cool man. I liked hearing about all of them!
I know right
Great stuff as usual, keep 'em coming!
This is awesome! The online high score contests and kiosks sound so cool.
Honestly when I see dislikes on a video this well made I assume it's some grump with an irrational hatred of video games. For real, WHY THE FUCK WOULD YOU EVER DISLIKE SOMETHING LIKE THIS. He's calm, intelligent and NOT ANNOYING. What more do you want in a video?
Could you do the history of the turbo grafx 16 please!!!!!!
I've seen this video tons of times!! And never get tired!! I love the famicom so much!!
I didn't know about this at all! Awesome piece of history!
I like how you didn't have to insist to begin the video by saying that "The Famicom is the Japanese version of the NES" and everything else that seemingly ever retro gaming youtuber has to bring up every time even though everyone and their grandma already knows that by now.
Eddie Actually, the NES is the American version of the Famicom.
Disk-kun - the FDS Mascot is so perfectly 80s. Love it to death!
Looks the Minions daddy.
That white Archon at 2:45 is such a piece of ART!
4:20 Pokemon Trading Card Game music!!! That was an unexpected bit of nostalgia from a video on a device I never had that never even came out in my country.
Maybe it is because I grew up with the cartridge-based NES, but I personally like the cartridge music better than the Disk System music, even if it does have an extra channel.
me too
3:49 I'VE BEEN LOOKING FOR THAT AD FOR YEARS!!! WHERE DID YOU FIND IT??
That explains a lot... I saw my cousin having one but never saw any on our local stores (I live in south east asia)
Excellent videos man!!
Smb3 almost certainly would have been an fds game if it hadn't been discontinued by that point
It would have required 2 disks though. And it wouldn't have had the MMC3 chip that let it do 4 way scrolling and screen splitting. (I don't know if the FDS had those capabilities?)
is it weird I think the cart music sounds better than the disk system? clearer?
Super Wukongo It might sound better however the disk systems sound is richer. Look up the castlevania soundtrack for both two consoles.
I thought the same thing, these two games were perhaps not the best to demonstrate the "enhanced" sound of the FDS. The disk versions sounded like shit.
You mean the Famicom release??????
And sounded more RETRO feeling
My first time hearing the disk system music for Metroid and Legend of Zelda. It sounds cool and all, but to me the cartridge Zelda music will always be the better of the two.
I saw the NES toploader and that strange card console in my travels as a kid, I completely forgot about them. I played what ever I could, there was a lot of strange and weird consoles and pc's back then :P Thanks for jogging the old memory.
Love this page. Amazing work.
Does somebody know what the music at 0:52 is?
I really like it and I want to listen to it!
It the music of the old Wii Shop Channel. RIP Virtual Console.
Um no the one after that
@@carotteatomique Not sure about that one, I only recognize the Pokemon TCG Gameboy theme song. It's the song that plays through most of the video.
9:13: This game was rereleased for the Switch.
We know
9:29.It's probably a good thing the Disk System never came to the US. As you mentioned in your Super Mario World video, Nintendo took enough heat from parents just for launching the SNES. Telling these same parents in 1987 that they needed an almost hundred-dollar peripheral to play all future big games would have been a disaster.
And if Japanese retailers didn't like the Disk Kiosks, you can only imagine what American retailers still jittery from the Atari crash would have thought about them.
very well done episode, great stuff