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What do you think more valuable to an NFL team? A dominant quarterback or a dominant defensive player?
its like asking who's better packers or texans
QB
Ray is strolling into irrelevant (Rob Parker) territory here. We all plead our own case better than the case of others but don't become deranged. Great quarterback... success. Great defensive player... anywhere from bottom of the League to middling. If he keeps making obviously outrageous statements he'll no longer be someone anyone wants to listen to.
Tyler Milliken Watch old Ray Lewis footage.
for once i agree with skip
Wellllll he did win a championship with Trent Dilfer as his qb.
Exactly what I was thinking fam
Ironically against a NY team in the same boat as them. A solid D with below avg QB play. lol
mark lopez and buccaneers also won a super bowl with brad Johnson
mark lopez good point
mark lopez that was a great defense, not just 1 great defensive player
Qbs are more important but that doesn't mean defensive players can't be the best players in the league.
Marrick Batiste
They can be but they have little affect in a lot of games. Just look at jj watt.
JEFFREY that's why I said they are more important.
Marrick Batiste at least you get it. If only skip understood everything isn't an importance contest. Whenever he argues about who's better he says who would you rather have, insert this player or a quarterback. That measures importance, not how good he is.
Marrick Batiste tom Brady has been best in league for a decade noob
exactly
Unless you have a lights out D like the 2000 Ravens, or 2015 Broncos.. you take a good QB over D all day.
Deja Voodoo 1985 bears bro, come on how do you forget them?
18-1 Chicago bears and I'm not even a bears fan just saying
Breen Machine yes.. and 2002 Bucs. Bears had a pretty good offense though.
tell that to the saints
How's that going with Brees. Great qb subpar defense
The Texans have two dominant defensive players and no dominant quarterback... how's that working out for them lol
Russell Wilson enter Deshaun Watson lol
Russell Wilson they keep beating the colts, case in point
Saints have a QB and no Defense.. how 's that working out? they dont even make the playoffs. Saints pretty much have the best offense in the league for years now, Drew can score 45, the other team is gonna score 50.
Daniel O Fr as a New Orleans fan this is aggravating bro.
Daniel O thats mainly due to Drews salary killing their cap
Ray was so bias speaking about defense that he didn't even use his desk notes. LMAO!
TiK Progress gotta luv em, tho.
Defense wins championships the last years other than this year
yeah but the argument is about a single def player vs qb.
Ray is a top 3 all time middle linebacker and not in any order so I'd guess he wasn't hired to talk about offense.
TiK Progress look at the 2002 ravens best defense ever and the defense got them the win. The ravens offense scored 7 but the defense had 2 other scores to beat the other team.(I forgot who)
And 5 years later Aaron Donald Championship 💜💐🫶🏽 Ray Called it Skip 😂
There is many ways to look at this. You see A. Donald can't win more the 2 games without a good QB. Then you have D. Brees can't win more the 7 games without a good DEF. I would take a all around decent players then one dominant player.
EpicLifeGaming l Clash of Clans & Clash Royale I agree with you man
Irrelevant argument in this context through, because we're talking about the impact of a single QB vs. the impact of a SINGLE defensive player. All the arguments here seem to miss this point and keep referring to how important an ENTIRE defense is...I completely agree that a strong defense is key, but in the context of the video, I'd have to say that a top tier QB is more important than a top tier SINGLE defensive player.
C Dev even in the case of an entire defense, a QB is still needed. Remember how ESPN ran analytics on the best defense and got the '91 Eagles as first? They didn't even make the playoffs since Randall Cunningham got injured. There's also the Houston Texans for the last three years with the #1 defense and having no shot of getting out of the AFC.
If you look at the best defenses people celebrate, they were always accompanied by good offenses too. The '85 bears had Walter Peyton, possibly the best running back of all time. The Steeler Curtain had Terry Bradshaw, Lynn Swann, and Franco Harris. People like to point to the 2000s Ravens, whose offense was "only" 13th in points scored, but even if you consider that a "bad" offense, that's the exception, not the rule.
they had no running game though, cunningham led them in rushing yards. You put a Jamaal lewis, marshawn lynch, we saw tom brady lose twice to a excellent D with good running game to compliment it. You can go back and time and look at dominant defenses and they are always at their best with a dominant running game, you can win without a qb.
bsstyle123 Once again, an excellent D is important...no one questions that. But this entire video is about a SINGLE defensive player vs a SINGLE offensive player (QB). People need to stop citing examples of dominant defenses. We are talking about ONE defensive player. ONE. Not an entire defense.
The fact that Ray Lewis was able to win 2 championships with quarterbacks who have a worse career QBR than Baker Mayfield speaks volumes to his point about a dominant defender over a great quarterback. That being said there are few defensive players in history that can elevate everyone else on the defensive side of the ball like Ray Lewis did.
prime time
baker mayfield is better than any qb ray lewis ever had
Crazy how accurate Ray Lewis was after Aaron Donald and Von Miller win a super bowl 5yrs later
Facts I jus said this suga ray was right on
Especially considering they beat brady and sent him to his first retirement on their way to win it
@@deangeloj4349 sent him to his retirement? Brady still displayed signs of great play even in his last year. He isn’t scared of anyone. NOBODY sent him to retirement
@@daveczarnik6017 they sent him to retirement despite how much it hurts you
@@deangeloj4349 where’s your proof tough guy?
Skip bayless finally said something I agree with Ray Lewis is the greatest leader in pro football history and in sports
Peyton Manning threw for 141 yards, a pick, and 0 touchdowns and the Broncos won in SB50. Don't try and tell me that Ray is wrong here. He's simply trying to add value to defensive players, which are usually underrated, when rankings like the top 100 come out.
That's the whole defense. The argument here is that one defensive stud, is more important than an offensive stud (which simply isn't true). If you took JJ Watt and put him on the Browns, they would still never make the playoffs. If you took Aaron Rodgers and put him on the Browns, they would win at least 9 games.
Connor MacMillan LOL. Von Miller dawg. Took over the game by himself. Super Bowl MVP for a reason. And the Browns would not win 9 games. C'mon Man.
he barely won 9 games with his own team though
They would. Aaron Rodgers has an awful defense and a banged up backfield all year. That team without him at QB finishes with max 4 or 5 wins
but look who else was on that team
a great secondary and front 7 with demacrus ware
"I don't know... I don't know, i like Von Miller." 😂😂😂 of course
Ray Lewis look like he finna eat skip alive 😂
Skip Bayless is not qualified to argue football against Ray Lewis.
Aaron Donald is so dominant I’m looking at a video from 5 years ago saying he’s an interchangeable top 2 player and still
I never thought I'd say this guys... I'm with Skip on this one, Give me Rodgers over a dominant defender any day.
Defense wins championships
And who do you throw to?
I would take a "Lawrence Taylor" over any quarterback!
I'd say LT would take Tom Brady over himself.
Lawrence taylor is a once in a lifetime type of player, best defensive player ever.
But look at it this way; there have been great defensive players (jamaal adams for example) who play for terrible teams with losing records. There have also been great QBs to play with a bad supporting cast and have little success, but it's better as a whole to have an offense that can score points than a top 10 defense. Even a top 10 defense lets up points in a game.
Nobody in their right mind would take LT over Brady. And LT is a once in history player. The QB is simply more important.
@@palereaper The Giants were an average team until LT arrived. His play elevated the play of the entire team. Great players turn terrible teams with losing records to Super Bowl champions. That's the impact LT had on the Giants and the rest of the league.
@@dantesinfernopurgatory7826 Yeah... but it's also LT. Not even Aaron Donald can do that for the rams, so LT really is once in a lifetime.
Skip tryna argue with
Shannon Sharpe one of the best Tight ends of all time
3 rings and 8 pro bowls
10,000+ receiving yards
And Ray Lewis in my opinion the greatest linebacker ever
2 rings , 13 pro bowls
2,000+ tackles
Ray lewis isn’t a football player..he’s a murderer.
i am a jabroney On and off the field.
LT is better
DEMI GOD ! Hes not🤦🏿♂️
Ravensboy101 LT revolutionized the outside limebacker position. He was far more feared than ray lewis. LT is better.
Having played with Sapp in college, Ray certainly saw firsthand what a dominant DT can do. As a Husker fan, I saw it too. Even against the #1 oline in the country in the Orange Bowl, Sapp was a monster.
Love Ray on the show. His segments really set the passion and knowledge ahead of the others
He should be in the clink
Just 5yrs from this clip, Ray Lewis claim was actually right, Aaron Donald has simply changed the way he’s marked and how the position is viewed, Elite.
He’s claim about Von Miller and Cam still legit, Cam is all over the place right now looking for validation, that’s wild.
Shannon and Ray on the show give such great insight on football. Nice change up from the blind witness during basketball
Ray Lewis is definitely being biased here. Defense does win championships, but they don't score every game. A QB matters way more than any defensive player, unless there's a defensive player who can intercept every pass and return it for a touchdown every single game.
Warriorswillalwaysbetrash ! well if you got Ray Lewis and Ed Reed on your team you won't give up many points
2000 Ravens
Warriorswillalwaysbetrash ! Matter of fact, Tom Brady first 3 chips were won on the shoulders of his defense and FG kicker. Mic 💧 ed
Warriorswillalwaysbetrash ! Don't need a qb. You need a kicker or running back. The defense will do the rest
Warriorswillalwaysbetrash ! Defense creates offense.
Do you think defense wins championships?
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED yes if players like ray Lewis were playing
Yeah defense wins championships you can't really name a Super Bowl team that won that was dominant offensively besides the saints but most teams that won a championship had the best or one of the best defenses in the league tom Brady's first Super Bowl was won with only 145 or so yards passing Peyton mannings last championship was won and his offense only had like 200 yards offensively the greatest offenses ever only won one or two chips usually with a very good defense the greatest show on turf only had one and scored 17 in their next one the 07 pats had only 14 points the 13 broncos scored 8 points
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED Yeah, but not all of the time.
defenses keep offenses off the field. offenses keep offenses on the field. To be honest, special teams wins championships :)
Skip and Shannon: UNDISPUTED ask the ny jets and Rex Ryan
"You got black and white TV then" I'm dead
This didn't end well for skip, Aaron Donald went twice to a superbowl with golf and matthew stafford 😂
If the argument was dominant TEAM defense, like the 2000 Ravens, 2013 Hawks okay, it makes sense. But ONE dominate defensive player over a QB ? Are you serious ? 😂
Instagramchampange Exactly perfect example is Cameron Jordan and Drew Brees
A single defender can affect the game I remember Derrick Thomas in the 90s record seven sacks against Seattle and completely dominated the game if a QB is getting hit all game the ball starts to come out too fast since the QB is shook worrying about getting hit. I watched football my whole life and I agree with neither but I have seen a defender bee so dominate he takes the offensev players heart
Gregory Robinson the chiefs lost that game 😂😂😂😂
@@solo13th Doh! You just destroyed his whole argument. Why you do him dirty like that? LOL
@@gregoryrobinson2797 You do realize the chiefs lost that game.
I love Ray Lewis so much (and really the whole late 1990s to early 2010s Ravens I love) but I feel he overshadowed the greatness of possibly the best safety this game has ever seen, Ed Reed. You never hear any talk about that man and I know it's because Ray Lewis caught everyone's eyes, while Ed in the background leading the league in interceptions for 3 seasons as a safety.
Say what you want about Ray.. I'd want him on my side in combat.
Not if you a black man fighting for rights he'll run off on ya and bash you from a distance Lol Shannon is the guy I need in combat.
@@me3ksdagoat279 😐huh??
This was probably the smartest conversation about football i ever heard, and not because of what Skip said.
The way I view it, a Quarterback is the leader of a new revolution leading their team to the crown. A defense is responsible for protecting the castle.
Offense scores, However DEFENSE really holds the floor.
"You got the ultra high def package" lmaooo
Smh lmao! In his beach house in Malibu. She definitely would have slept with Charlie on the first night.
The problem is that a defense can't be carried by a single person; whereas, an offense can be carried by a quarterback so quarterbacks should be put into a different category because they are just more important so we don't have this conversation all the time
Ray Lewis is exactly why I play on the defensive side of the ball, I loved every word he said, not to mention he was right about everything too
Ray lewis won a super bowl with Trent Dilfer
Andrew Johnson Dilfer was decent.
Yeah, and the conversation WASN'T about DOMINANT RB but DOMINANT QB.
dIlfer was garbage
liver666 dilfer was decent? He was dependent on an outstanding defense and an outstanding running back in Jamal Lewis....
Ray Lewis was backed by an all time great defense. Ray didn't win the game, it was the entire package. Stop pretending like Ed Reed didn't exist.
Man I miss Ray Lewis and those good Raven teams! That was the only team I had faith in and relied on in knocking off those worsem Patriots....
Ray is being a bit bias. ( I mean he is one of the greatest "defensive" players ever lol) He has a valid point if you're talking about a few years ago. The league has changed so much now though. Now it seems that having a ok defense and a offense that can simply bombard you and out score you is more the makeup of the NFL. Teams that can easily put up 30 or more points a game make it tough for teams who don't have a dynamic quarterback and offensive playmakers to overcome those sort of attacks. Defense does now and will always matter but defenses wont consistently put up the points to win week in and week out. They both need each other to some extent. Always remember the game is decided by who has the most points on the scoreboard.
Marine Vet your argument just validate Lewis point, the NFL make it so easy for teams to score, that you don't a grea qb to win, but if you have a monster in your defensive line that can anchor your defense, I would take the defensive player all day. any decent qb can put big numbers in todays nfl
I would take a qb first but after that, the pass rusher or linebacker is very important. The best defenses always have solid linebackers cause then you cant run on a team. After that offensive lineman. Then Id take a skillposition
My list- I'm going to guess that the differences in importance with the positions are marginal, with the importance depending on the game situation
1.QB- biggest impact on high leverage moments, and can open everything up if dynamic as a scrambler too.
2. 4-3 De/ 3-4olb- puts pressure on all game so the QB doesn't have time to read/think
3. WR- one that can go up and get it and with soft hands can take 2-3 people to guard, and a fast one can demand stretching the defense to protect against the home run
4. C- if they can get a push for 2 running gaps, then that's 2-3 yards for your rb untouched. Leader of the O-L
5. LT- give the qb time to operate and protect from unseen hits
6. HB- Critical in short yardage and goal line situations, if capable as a pass catcher, then can cause responsibility issues for defense
7. MLB- middle of the field in the box, an area that a lot of action occurs, leader of the defense
8. Nose Tackle- 3-4 D-Line will get man handled without a true NT
9. TE- Creates mismatches/move the chains target for the QB, big bodied target in the red zone, if they can block, then can create a lot of plays from a single formation.
I think cbs and safeties can be average if you've got some shared responsibility in coverages.
Guards don't really have much to worry about besides creating 2 gaps up the middle. Pass rush not really a threat
4-3 DT/3-4 DE- just be there and protect your gaps, not much expected
4-3 OlB - just expected to cover their man or the flats zone
And if I forgot to write about you, then I guess you're not that important
We need more Ray Lewis on the show! #DefenseAllDay #OffenseIsABunchOfDivaFuckz
This aged well. Yes, I’m talking about the Rams and Aaron Donald.
Defense needs lots of players to collectively be dominant. A dominant QB on his own can lead a team to a championship with probably half the salary cap space taken up
blazinpyromaniac L
blazinpyromaniac good point
Put Brady/Rodgers on the browns and see if they ever see the playoffs again. QB, next to WR,is the most dependant position in football, meanwhile Donald,LT,JJ,Von,Khalil can ruin your whole game by themselves
EZR bro Brady and Rodgers can pick your defense apart and win u LOTS OF GAMES. A great defensive player can win u a game here and ther
Dan Marino
Peyton Manning was below average his last year.
Carried by that #1 Rank BRONCOS D#.
You can win a title with an average or Below QB, only if you have an ALL-TIME RANK DEFENSE.
Having an ALL-TIME RANK Defense can get you 1.
But an ELITE QB, with an ALL-TIME DEFENSE, you can win 2 or 3.
Johnathan Clark u can never win with a below average qb. Probably average tho. Put Ryan tannehill on broncos he prolly win but osweiller wouldn't be able to do anything
That doesn't prove his point. You're saying an entire defense carried for Peyton Manning. Ray's point is that 1 good defensive player could be as dominant as a good qb.
That’s the thing tho. The WHOLE defense did that, not just one player
he's point was ONE player not the whole D so not 2013 hawks or 2000 ravens or 85 bears JUST ONE PLAYER
Man looking back.. Skip was wrong on everything here lol
This aged well🤣🤣🤣🤣
I like the points that you made ray but the thing is like you said when you have a great defensive presence will cancel out the quarterback but if your coaches do not put you in the right positions for that that's the problem most coaches now don't understand you your defensive player
Here is the thing about defensive versus offensive, if you have the best qb in the nfl, your wide receivers will improve automatically. But with defensive players, it's different
5:23 I'm a Niners fan but I have to admit I had the same reaction as Shannon. Skip is a knobpot.
Me tooo
That final question that skip asked ray certainly aged well lol. Newton the next 5 years lol
i always click to see wat ray has to say but joy omg 😍😍😍
🤣🤣🤣 equipment manager killed me
Did skip lowkey compliment Lebron?
Tim Tebow jumped off Skip's Television screen...Enough Said.
Ray Lewis is one of my favorite football players all time great
ray lewis was a freak of a defensive player.when they called the team out it wasn't a qb's name but ray's that they called out as ray lewis's falcons.i can not recall any other defensive player so honored.so they'd have to be on ray's level or better to be more important then the qb.i haven't seen any player that honored as to be seen as leader of the team and winning a super bowl did they win twice or three times i think twice but more then one was due to ray.few if any men can do that today because you can't hit qb's anymore.
"Oh no! I like Von Miller!"
Epic answer.
5 years later, Ray liked Von Miller and Aaron Donald... look who just won the superbowl 👀👀
Just look at the Panthers or the broncos right now both have incredible linebackers but no qbs to actually score the points to win
It depends in the long run the defensive player is going to slow down and just Father Time would show , but a quarterback in the long run is the best pick , cause they don’t have to do much besides throw and sometimes run to get the first down
The woman finally speaks up and says he has a beach house in Malibu. Lmao
Von Miller, Super Bowl 50. Fantastic example.
They are all right in regards to what they are trying to explain. Good discussion nonetheless
You need them both. One does not work without the other. That’s why it’s called a Team!
Im picking Ed reed over anybody that has ever played.
Not the smartest idea
That's how I feel about Lawrence Taylor. I pick him first over ANYONE.
So Tom Brady Vs JJ I'll take the GOat
jj watt is so overrated il take vonn miller over him
GoPatriots#barrythegoat#tomthegoat#kobethegoat #100
yes he has more impact on a game
Think about it if your defence locks up and allows 0 points the entire game (I know this dont happen but I'm trying to keep it simple) then all your offence has to do is go up to the 35 yard line and score 3 points and thats it you win
Back here in 2021
Well.... he can have Arron Donald I’ll take my Tom Brady lmao foh
lmaoooo fr💀💀💀
@@joeyzavala7411 we literally seen it in the Super Bowl when a score was needed it was Brady not Donald that made the plays... always take the qb lol
A QB job may be more significant, but Donald is more dominant at his position than any QB at their position.
Charles Haley was the guy that made me realize what Ray Lewis is talking about. That dude changed the complexion of so many games on that Dallas team. I saw that dude on Dallas reach over and grab the QB on a double team. Then the next play grab the running back and throw him like a rag doll. Incredible to watch.
Look at the Steelers last year😭 all I gotta say (Steelers fan btw still love em)
QB's can't take over a game by themselves, they need their Offensive Line to block for them and they need their receivers to make plays for them. I seen Von Miller basically CARRY the Broncos on his back to a Super Bowl by Dominating the AFC Championship Game and the Super Bowl! Also I'm Bias Lawrence Taylor is my favorite Player Ever and he also DOMINATED and took over games! So I'm GLAD Defensive Players are praised in this ERA! QB's are for people like Skip and Colin Cowherd to Drool Over but you don't win without a good Defense. Brady doesn't have the rings he have without a good Defense!
Good Point.
OTKP No he did not carry the broncos lmao. You forgetting they have the two best corners in the league and a great safety? They averaged the 2nd most turnovers in the league that year. And they were number 1 in passes defended. You're also forgetting he has Demarcus Ware on the other side of him as well who gets double digit sacks
Brady took a defense ranked 31st overall to the superbowl and almost won it despite them and his bad O-line. a single great defensive player cannot make the impact of a single great quarterback. they just can't. you remove the great bronco secretary in 2015 and von miller doesn't win the afc championship game in 2015. Lawrence Taylor was in a unique situation. offenses had always used a running back to block corner rushers and it worked for a long time until LT came around. now outside rushers are respected and blocked properly.
OTKP That's true that a QB needs a defense... but a defense is 11 starters plus depth.
Hall of Fame has many defensive players that rarely got to the playoffs: Aeneas Williams, Cortez Kennedy, Lee Roy Selmon etc.
OTKP The broncos wouldn't have won the super bowl with osweiler.
Ray killed that dude. SMH. Great player but we would have never seen it had it went the other way. 52 got bodies on and off the field. LMAO people they built a statue of him.... Liked him to so definitely no hate but I remember when that happened clearly and it was real shaky baby. Right after came a Super Bowl title and a HOF career with another Super Bowl title... Ray is a Lucky dude...
My guy A Donald played the Super Bowl against 42 year old Tom Brady and couldn't even get close to his his face. He was defeated by a simple adjustment of double teaming him on the line and when the time came for him to be on the 1v1 he was already frustrated and out of the game. You take the QB over a single defensive player.
Ray lewis the definition of team spirit
Ray is being biased....you can't tell me you take ANY defensive player over Aaron Rodgers
Aaron Donald and this is 3 years later
Ray Lewis knows how to cancel out Tom Brady??? He is literally like 4-12 against Tom Brady. Show some respect. You want to talk about high standard, look at the standard Brady is held to.
Ryan Petley the last time he faced Brady he won
Ryan Petley that doesn't mean tom Brady's team won't win it's a team game he's saying Tom Brady won't dominate us and be the reason they won. A la turnovers special teams etc
In no way did Ray Lewis's talent or leadership, match or limit Tom Brady's. It is a team game absolutely, but it is no coincidence that Brady's team beat them so often. Ray Lewis is fantastic and happens to be my favorite defensive player of all time, but it is flat wrong to say he neutralized Tom Brady. He won games against Brady, including 2 in the playoffs I believe but the record speaks for itself.
I didnt hear Ray say that every time he faced Brady he neutralized him.
Skip said it
I look at it this way if you have a suspect O Line blocking for a Great QB the O could suffer. On the other hand if you have a Great DT he can make others better because you're not blocking 2 on 1 and possibly even keeping a RB or FB in to help with protection...BUT in the same breath... a Great QB can make the right adjustments and get the ball out of his hands to playmakers....on any given day it's a Toss up
At 3:15, Ray Lewis nailed it. Dominant defensive players changed the game to where offensive players fussed for changes. The most notable was when Mel Blount (Steelers) was so dominant that after one season, they changed the rules on defensive coverage; leading to far more pass interference calls and the 5-yard rule. NOBODY on offense ever changed the game so much, that the opposite happened.
The pats answer this question and finish argument lol
Its not even close a dominate QB is worth about 3-4 defensive players. Look at Deshawn Watson and the Texans. Clowney is a 1st overall pick playing at a high level QB went down the season was over. Watt playing as good as can possibly be expected couldn't make up for Brock Osweiler. Its the same for every other position. Joe Thomas best in the business OT can't win a game with mediocre QB play.
Would I rather have a lights out defense and special teams with an Ok QB or a lights out QB and an Ok defense and special teams is a different question.
The answer is in on that question too
Ravens Giants Buccaneers Bears Seahawks Broncos won SBs with avg QB who didn't make mistakes and great D.
I agree with him. I've watched it for decades with the NY Giants, no matter how many offensive stars they have they can't be a dominant team without having at least one superstar on defense. Lawrence Taylor, Michael Strahan, Sam Huff, Rosie Greer etc etc
🐐 of linebackers ..#RayLewis
That's why he has 2 rings and Brady has 5 😂😂😂
Now go check the Patriots Defensive rating going into Bradys superbowls. Not that he ain't that great but basic Fans dont get it
And look what Aaron did in superbowl
Lewis definitely “killed” it in this segment!
4:35 crazy how this turned out.
Tom Brady still finds a way to squeeze into this argument about DEFENSIVE players, and of course it's Skip "Brady" Bayless who brings it up.
JSpade301 Ehm it isn't a argument about defensive players it is about an argument who is the best/ most important player in the NFL
RAY LEWIS THE GOAT AND MY FAVORITE FOOTBALL PLAYER EVER
Not better than Lawrence Taylor
I mean look at the panthers in 2015 and the packers(ish) 2016, they're offense alone carried that team, a defense matters more in post season then regular and only if all pieces mix together.
I always forgot that Shannon was on the 02 Ravens, with Ray Lewis!
yeah a dominant defensive player would have brought back the Patriots their 5th championship after being down 28-3 in the 3rd quarter of a Superbowl.
Sentinel HDD defense is why they were down. Poor defense for them and Atlanta defense scored....
Ryker Carlin and yet the Patriots are the Champs. Interesting, isn't it? LOL
Light Yagami you mean when the patriots defense stopped the falcons offense?
you mean when you are talking about one single individual and not a whole defense as a unit. What dominant defensive player would have single-handedly stop the dominant Tom BRady in that game?
Sentinel HDD the pats defense is the reason why they came back
No way Khalil Mack is a better football player then Derek Carr overall. But as great as Mack is and he is good we can win games without him. Derek Carr I'm not sure we can win one game without him.
DJ Elliott Lmao then why didn't they win in the playoffs with out Carr last year????
Luis Damian2832 Carr didn't play in the playoffs last year so you prove my point.
DJ Elliott how did they win that game playoff game nooooo so how is did I make your point?
Luis Damian2832 You making no sense, I said we can't win without Carr but we can win without Mack. Maybe you should re read what I wrote.
DJ Elliott sorry bro my friend got my phone he is just playing with you have a good day....
I love it so much more when they talk football on undisputed. Shannon is so much more fun to listen to when he talks football. for obvious reasons
Dominant defensive player every single time. Think Lawrence Taylor, Ed Reed, Ray Lewis. Defence win championships
there are 20 qbs that are interchangeable in terms of production there's only one jj
Stephen Carter von miller Khalil Mack clowney etc
Stephen Carter the issue is that all of the best defensive players in the league are on bad teams.
Breen Machine Michael Bennett, Earl Thomas, Wagner, Kuechly, Mack, Berry, Miller, Beasley? All are on bad Teams? I don't think so.
Hindsight is an unfair weapon but all of the teams those players were on combined for 1 playoff win...
The Ravens only won 2 superbowls with that dominant defense. if they had a better offense I believe they had more.
Ravens won 1 super bowl in the 2000. That Ravens team that that won more recently wasn’t nearly as dominant and didn’t have the same players
5:38 love Joy response, "He has a beach house in Malibu." Like come on Shannon, let's get real for a second, of course he has Ultra High Definition TV...
Ray Lewis: im ordering pizza what do you want on it Shannon?
Shannon: Lebron James