1x14 Wireless Group | The Ultimate 1x Hack | Archer D1X DBR
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- čas přidán 5. 07. 2024
- In this video I go over a really cool 1x14 wireless groupset hack that I have installed on my Blackwater gravel bike. It is definitely a hodge podge of components. Check it out and see if it works!
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I just did some of this on my Swiss Cross. It works great. I used a 10-44 Ekar cassette. The bolts in the back of the spider lightly rubbed the spokes and I filed them a little flatter and now it’s fine.
It seems that with the extra thickness added by that extra low cog, that I’d have no chance of clearing my spokes. This is on a pretty standard Bitex hub with N3W driver.
Aside from that, this video showed me what I’d need to do a conversion to 1x13. I appreciate it.
I'm also using a SRAM RED AXS Flat Top chain with my EKAR 9-42 cassette + XShifter Wireless add-on, for about 1 year now, and no problems. I approve it.
That is awesome to hear! I appreciate you confirming that it has been working for you. How is the XShifter working for you?
@@BlackWaterCyclist Same principle as the archer comp , I like how we can super fine-tune the position of the RD on each cog and also open the door to mix a variety of components. I'm using a Sram XX1 RD.
This is definitely pushing the boundary of what's possible with mechanical. Love to see how this setup fair when you put it through more test :)
Yes I love a good hack. I have been training on it and it has been great. I will be doing a gravel race with it Jan 22 so we will see how it does there. I will probably upgrade to the satellite buttons so I can have better access in the drops.
@@BlackWaterCyclist would love to se that setup with mfr buttons…thinking of converting it to my Giant tcx alluxx2 slr wich i run with shimano 105 hydraulic setup with ryder brakes.. thinking of purchasing the components from Archer and make a 12 or 13 speed setup.. unfortunately i don’t know what the total cost would be before it would arrive at my place in Denmark… Looking forward to se how this setup works at a race…
@@aoe76 I am actually sitting in my camper right now about to get ready to race it. 24 degrees Fahrenheit so it's going to be a cold gravel race. I'll be doing a review of it. I have some MFR buttons on the way now and will do a proper review of those as well.
I feel like this freehub body really holds this setup back, dang (returning to this after quite a while).
I love one by and I love your experimental ideas. I assume that you and Dirk are able to communicate in some way, while even for me as a native German, I am not able to get satisfied with his harsh and unprofessional way to to deal with possible new customers...
The shown system here is great. But for my habits a little to much experimental. I love the RatioTech Ideas combined with Garbaruk cable accentuated. For now I went to sram axs with garbaruk to go 12 speed one by.
I spoke with Garbaruk - they are planning more gravel/cyclo-cross specific cassettes with less gear jumps in the smaller cogs in the near future.
Let's hope someone is able to hack srams systems, flash or offer an open software thats is able to use Archer Systems. With Sram Shifters and dérailleurs in combination with garbaruk cages to get us more gears with one by systems...
Thanks so much and yes Dirk can be a bit rough around the edges. I really like Garbaruk and what they have, I just wish they had those closer cassettes so looking forward to see what they come out with. I am so please with this wireless set up, I have no desire to go with Sram AXS or Di2 until they offer 13 speed or 14 speed. I just prefer all the options the Archer gives me. I will be getting those satellite buttons when they come out and plan to have 2 on the right side and 2 on the left so I will have a button right where I need it in the hoods or the drops. Also the TRP Hylex brakes are better than Sram offerings and most say they are as good as the Magura brakes that are on the Campy Ekar set up.
how does this have so little views. This is completely ground breaking stuff. Talk about pushing the limits. With an oval too how cool is that. I read about the 13/14 speed patents long time ago but to actually see it being done with pretty minor hacks and parts you can freely buy is incredible.
Thanks for the feedback. I am a bit surprised myself that it doesn't have more views but that is ok. I have really enjoyed this system and it worked great for awhile. I have actually gone a different route with it because I had issues with the Archer D1x losing connection with the fast batteries on rough gravel. I will probably do it again with Archer's new D1x or try L Twoo's offering.
I have all the range and tight ratios of this with a 2x 10spd. Real easy to set up since all the parts are compatible.
Congrats, what's your point? I have all the speed on my motorcycle, why would anyone want to ride a 2x10 bicycle? Advancing technology through hacky demos like this is the base of human ingenuity. We will see much more interesting stuff in this segment and who knows maybe some of the developments can be useful for 2x as well.
This is what I love about the Archer system! Such a cool concept. Are you running the battery upgrade? Do you ever find your heel hits the shifter?
I am running the Sprint Batteries which are great! I never hit it with my heel but I also pedal heel out instead of in. You can actually rotate the Archer inward where it isn't sticking out further than the chain stays so there isn't an issue at all.
I remember thinking of using a Rotor 13 speed cassette with an Archer shifter, but this is even better
It has been working flawless. I plan to do a review soon but it has been great.
Great Job Thanks a Lot
Thanks Alberto!
I Might want to try this set-up instead of Ekar groupset for my gravel bike. How much the extender and n3w cassette machining work cost by Dirk? This way I could use my current wheels with Novatec hubs. Would you suggest to buy bfr or mfr remote kit? On paper mfr seems bit more practical on drops than bfr.
Loved the Archer set-up with the Wolftooth tanpan. I have the Archer and was thinking about selling it because it was slow shifting - then they came out with the new batteries. In the previous video you suggested the 10 speed Tanpan with the sprint batteries - are you thinking about adding the tanpan to this setup or does it shift fast enough with the sprint batteries?
Honestly it shifts plenty fast with the Sprint Batteries. Since the gears are that little bit closer than the mtb 12 speed, it doesn't have to move as far so the shifts are quick. I may throw a Tanpan on it to try but I will probably just keep it on the MTB since that is where the faster shifts are more important.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Thanks for the response. I havent tried my sprint batteries yet. My problem was/is the extreme hills on my local fitness loop - the original DX-1 was slow enough that it was a PIA to shift quickly enough to get up some of those hills - combined with the fact that I am still 2X w/ a front derailleur. the different shift interfaces were/are not a pleasure. I may like Archer's new paddle shifter if it is real and not vapor ware.
@@mgreene888 I have found some batteries that are even faster than the Sprint batteries. You can get them for about $12 on Amazon. They only last about 13 hours but the speed is amazing. If I am using them on my main training bike, I get about a week and half of use before I have to recharge. www.amazon.com/Rechargeable-Battery-ICR14250-Batteries-Dogwatch/dp/B09NY9DMVQ/ref=sr_1_30_sspa?crid=3D4NPYR2H0C99&keywords=1%2F2+AA+batteries&qid=1650037139&sprefix=1%2F2+aa+batterie%2Caps%2C168&sr=8-30-spons&psc=1&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEzRkdYM0w5TjlFSlVQJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwMjY2NzMwMTZUQURBS0haMVJIJmVuY3J5cHRlZEFkSWQ9QTAzNzU3NTdKTkVaQ1ZaS0NGUU8md2lkZ2V0TmFtZT1zcF9tdGYmYWN0aW9uPWNsaWNrUmVkaXJlY3QmZG9Ob3RMb2dDbGljaz10cnVl
Hey mate dope vid, by the way, is it possible to have a 2x 12 speed roadbike setup when i use sram red wireless shifters and sram xx1 wireless rd, i see others can connect red etap and xx1 etap but i do not know if it can connect front derailleur
Thanks! Actually you cannot because the XX1 Rear derailleur has a parallelogram cage which means it just moves horizontal and it uses the chain length to pull the upper pulley away from the cassette as you shift to larger cogs to make room between the cassette and pulley. If you shifted the front from the large ring to the smaller ring, it will slam the upper pulley into the cassette. 2x rear derailleurs move diagonally along the cassette and the upper pulley is located right at the pivot point of the cage so it is not impacted by the length of the chain. I hope that makes sense and I probably should make a video on that.
Hi - I'm so glad I found these videos - been trying to work out how to get my perfect mullet 1x system ready for an epic Alps trip in the summer (17,000m of climbing in 6 days - wish me luck!), and you have totally cracked it - with the Dirk S hack and the Archer wireless - brilliant! Question - when you went 12 to 13, you just added a 42T extender cog without bolting it to the cassette. But when you went 13 to 14, you did bolt the new 42 extender to the cassette. Can you explain why the difference? I'm looking at going 12 to 13, but using the 12s Rotor 11-36 and adding a 42. The Rotor 11-36 seems slightly better to me than the SRAM. The Rotor is tighter:11,12,13,14,15,17,19,21,24,27,31,36 (+42). Trying to work out what driver I will need. Probably going to need Dirk, I guess! Thanks again for doing these videos, much appreciated.
Sounds like you are in for an adventure!!! Bolting the extender to the cassette is better in several ways, it is stronger, less likely to bend or flex. With the 12-13 jump, the extra cog has to be so thin to fit on the freehub body with the stock 12 speed cassette that it is usually a much thinner cog. I have had a little flex in the 40T I used with the 10-33 sram cassette. When I put the e13 42t on the 10-36 cassette, I had to machine down the middle of the cog so it was thin enough to fit the 12 speed cassette on. With the bolt on that the Campy allows you to do, it fixes the issue of not enough room on the freehub and the cog can still be thick and strong enough.
I really like the Rotor cassette and I was thinking of going that route initially but the issue is the Rotor cassette has the same spacing as the 12 speed eagle which is wider than the AXS and Ekar cassette/chain so there is absolutely no room on the Rotor to add an extender, it is already maxed out. The Campy Ekar with the extender from Dirk is going to give you the most range and the tightest gear combo. Only downside is that its harder to find the N2W freehub for it unless you have a very common hub like DT Swiss.
@@BlackWaterCyclist Thanks so much for taking the time to reply! This is golden information, and will have saved me a lot of trial and error... Very much appreciated.
Wonder if there is a way to do a 1x13 that fits HG 11 speed hub. Currently, there is a 12speed cassette available for the hg11speed. Trying to keep a good range from 11-40 but with more shifts in the 15-21 range for Triathlon (54 chainring) without killing the possibility of the bike to climb.
I have been looking for something like that with no luck for a back up Wheelset and for a daily trainer but I haven't found anything. Closest thing I can find is the Sensah 11-34 12 speed cassette. There is absolutely no room to fit an extender on the free hub. I wonder if I could get a 40t to be attached to the 34t and have it dished in towards the spokes.
@@BlackWaterCyclist that's exactly what i was thinking
Pretty cool hack, but that's a lot of compromises made to get it working.
What are all the compromises? Only bad one I can think of is the difficulty in reach the forward button in the drops but that will be addressed with the newer Archer satellite buttons. I'm not saying you are wrong, I am just honestly wanting some feedback. Look forward to your answer.
@@BlackWaterCyclist My comment isn't necessarily about the Archer system (I think it's actually a well designed product because of it's universal compatibility, especially MTB).
My comment is more about the specific 14 speed hack and someone who wants a smooth transition from something they already have to get 14 speed. Having to swap to a Campy freehub (assuming it's even an option for their wheelset), Aerozine being the only supplier for the cog that comes from overseas and needs machining, having limited chainring/chain choices, swapping to TRP brakes/hoods, living with every part being from different manufacturer, etc, is a lot just for the average person to ever want to mess with. I think it serves more as a showcase of what's possible for those who like to tinker than what's practical as a XPLR competitor for the average person.
That said, the door is wide open for Archer (or someone else) to start developing their own wide range cassettes that are HG/XD freehub compatible with typical 12 speed chains... That will really be a cool value proposition.
@@cup_and_cone I agree with everything you said. Thanks for clarifying. Definitely not something for someone who doesn't want or able to tinker.
There’s nothing about this that is relevant to ‘the average person.’ In fact, I would argue ‘the average person’ has no interest working on their own bike, nor any cares about 11, 12, 13, 14, or infinity speed. There is a small portion of the cycling world that gets full-nerd about gearing; this is for us.
I'm guessing you can use that electronic shifter setup with 13 sp. BTW my 13 sp mechanical setup is working well on my gravel and road bikes. Dirk said I may be the only person using it with a 2 x front ring setup on my road bike.
Yes you can use the electronic shifter for the rear but they do not have one for the front derailleur if you wanted to keep using a 2x set up. What rear derailleur are you using with it and what's your front chainring size? Would love to see the details of it.
@@BlackWaterCyclist road is 53/39, 10/32 w/ eagle 12sp chain, SRAM force road derailleur.
@@BlackWaterCyclist What prevents you from setting up a second Archer D1x for the front? You will have to solve hacking the shift buttons or living with the existing ones.
I daily a trp tr12 g-spec with a 10-45 xt cassette and I dont use all gears because cross tensioned chain noises make me crazy, I understand the want to have more cogs but it's probably quite annoying?!
*Edit: on the stand it doesn't sound that loud, maybe it's a chainring or cassette thing?
I use a SRAM Eagle 34 tooth chainring...
what is that box under the water bottle? 3D printed storage? how does it mount?
It is the Specialized SWAT box they came out with years ago for their MTBs. You have to use the Specialized Z Cage bottle cage for it to attach to the cage and then you need to have 3 bottle cage bosses on your down tube for a bolt inside the box to connect to the frame. It is great for extra storage.
Can you put the hoods on a Shimano GRX?
Archer Components is about to release those satellite shifter buttons in the next few days so you can install those on the GRX but they do not have the hoods set up for shimano like the DBR remote.
Why does it look like. the front gears is going to fall off?
Oh that is probably the Oval chainring you see.
Nice hack💯👍
Waxx the chain okay....
LOL, Yes I am due to wax the chain. Thanks!
so if mullet is mullet, what is this? ;) 6 or 10
watts is nothing re 9t or 10t vs 11t: I have been mashing 9-32, 9-36, 9-45, etc cassettes on everything from a 50t to a 40t and have PBs on all of then in the 9t on my sprint, why? because max power sprints vary by hundreds of watts peak and average and 6-10 watts nothing, especially when you can loose more than 6-10 watts with position, gear, tyres, tyre pressure, even clothes …
Haha, I guess this is also a mullet, kinda like a baby mullet compared to the Eagle stuff.
I agree with you honestly on the wattage, it is just one of the negatives for those who are comparing it to a 2x system. For me, the trade off is well worth it!
The drive side spokes are way to vertical and flat to be stable with that setup; probably why no one is doing that "hack".