They both have their pros and cons, but we want to hear what you are running! Mechanical or electrified drivetrain on your MTB? Let us know in the comments!
Mechanical, always. Part of the beauty of cycling for me is that everything is mechanical. No reliance on any power/fuel source. Just you and the bike.
I love di2. Perfect shifts every single time. I've snapped more gear cables than I've ran out of battery. My next road bike will 100% have electronic shifting. Not so sure on my mtb and CX.
@@panzerveps each to there own. Shifting has never been a problem for me. And never snapped a cable in 20 years of mountain biking. But could easily carry a spare cable, which would last at longer than carrying a spare battery. But it all comes down to personal preference. It suits your needs so ride and enjoy.
@@bikingchupei2447 Nahh. We talk about gs. Even duraace wheels only 10s faster than entry level wheels that come with bike purchase. If we use 1000usd wheels is more than enough such Winspace. You said you are with top gs & beat that sora/105 mech guy everytime, OBVIOUSLY you are STRONGER than him, not same level. Same case like me, my friend bike 6000usd, he stronger than me with 2500usd, after a while, I am beat him all the time. Either flat or climb. Give you another example, you said you can beat that that sora/105 mech guy, let the sora/105 gs guy use 700usd OSPW and you use standard ultegra pulley wheels, I bet obviously you still can beat him. Exclude national/international/pros rider, most of us have huge gap of performance. Even top 10 world pros have huge performance gap with the rest of world's pros. The variation of performance are huge between all of us. Your physical & training is the most important thing.
@@apair4002 i said "same level", if thats too hard to understand, how about this, he will lose to "himself" if he choses to use the latest expensive technology.
What the person is not doing - maybe doesn’t have it configured - is holding it down continually. You can set it to shift a max number of times, like a burst, or have it not stop; that not stopping means you can go through the entire cassette in a couple seconds.
I appreciate the speed electric shifts with...but I neither compete for the latest, nor in races. There are excellent mechanical drivetrains for the regular Joe.
@@discbrakefan I've seen a lot more failures due to the battery, wires and motors compared to mechanical drive chains. Shifting speed is a non-issue in my opinion.
@@discbrakefan If is that hard to do simple maintenance, as lube, clean, adjust and in some little cases, change a cable, which is in total like 10-15 minutes job, maybe joe should reconsider riding a bike with derailleur.
@Tim this is just nonsense. There are failures with every type of drivetrain .To suggest there is more with electronic groups is just something you've made up to suit your narrative . Battery's not being charged is a user error not the battery
@@JaiJai71104 I've just seen a lot of electric shifting systems fail over the years, and much more frequently than mechanical. Other than ease of installation (which I don't care about) I see no advantage. The battery failures were not due to not being charged. Also, I mention other failures I've seen on rides, it's not just the batteries.
Mechanical. Keep it simple. Just last weekend, my buddy's battery was dead before we even started. I just turned to my bike and clicked my gears and said, "Hmm... that's odd. Mine works just fine".
That’s weird, I have 3 batteries always charged and an extra entire derailleur cage in my downtube storage. Cables too and you can still bend your hanger on a trail. Saw it every day at the shop for years!
@@shoeonhead as cool as electronic is you could just ditch all those extras and run a mechanical groupset and be absolutely fine and ride just as well.
@shoeonhead and so?... Your argument is that running around with a bunch of spare crap is better? I've never had a Sram derailleur cable break. The only time I've had a cable break is with Shimano derailleurs, and since they've never fixed the angle of the cable exiting the cable housing boss, I haven't ran Shimano derailleur since 2002. Like I said, keep it simple.
@@Wallstreetavarice that comparison have no sence at all. Early phones was plugged in constantly. Nowday phones have to be plugged from time to time but not all the time already. So it became more unplugged than it was. Bikes on the otherhand always was plug-free. It is the spirit of the bike to be plug-free. There is no a real reason to ruin it. I mean except for the greedy money-bags to put their filthy hands to customer's pocket even further.
Interesting, I never considered that aspect of it but that makes sense. I love the analog feel and the tactility of a mechanical shifter. I’ve experienced electronic shifting briefly on friends bikes and while it’s neat I don’t think it feels any better than my mechanical X01 setup
well, another way to look at it would be now you can focus on ride more because gear changes are more on the feeling side ( sram axs) left-go down right-go up... with 1x12 drivetrain... pure joy to ride. You never look what gear it is, just pedal and go!
@@nolanteofanesrodriguezbayo1156that’s not true. They are not exactly the same. If you don’t notice the difference perhaps you are not taking the time to test it properly. You can like one over the other but sorry, the same they are not!
I run shimano XT. A friend runs AXS. We’ve ridden each others and can’t tell the difference. He’s an expert bike mechanic and they are both set perfectly
@Duodecaquark it's not like saying that because I'm not saying that and it doesn't the only things that ruin bikes for me is electric powered shifters I mean you have to be really delusional to want electric shifting really what are you gaining but a lighter wallet and bar spins
@Cool Guy what are you gaining says it all .Every groupset has pros and cons . The gain with electronic shifting is 0 adjustment ever .Never missing a Gear .No rattling gears . It's like saying why have an engine that does over the speed limit .Its not to say mechanical is bad at all but to be so closed minded is a you problem and it shows clearly that you have never tried it
@JaiJai71104 I mean if you can't set limit screws or turn a barrel adjuster go ahead and spend 5-600 on di2 or axis not my money not my bike I just don't think their worth a 6x what a mech derailleur cost
This is partially true. A friend that is a pro bike mechanic, has a shop and lives from this explained me why he is a fan of electronic. Mechanical has wires and if they are fully routed internally is both time consuming and expensive to work with. Electronics are wireless and lacks this problem, their maintenance is cheaper and easier and you don't need to adjust it every now and then like mechanicals. I was a electronic I don't want to say hater but something on those lines, but since he told me this I look them with better eyes.
@@nemure I have changed wires on my bike twice in 10 years (different bikes), one normal and one with internal. The interal are easy as heck, since you can use the old wire to guide the new one inside the frame. Takes maybe 2 minutes longer than external. The length of the external housing you just use the old ones as your blueprint. Takes around 30 minutes on a bike, and you only need todo it once in the bikes lifetime.
@@AndrewTSq again, this is partially true. It depends a heck log on brands. Some have guiding and is fine, others doesn't and takes a hell lot of a time and effort to do so. Regarding the change wires once in a life time you are totally wrong. I had to do it in 2 years, the mechanical shifters didn't work properly after 2 years where I rode 7 thousand km, nothing crazy
@@AndrewTSq I have no clue what wires I had, nor what I got tbh. I had what came with the bike from the factory and asked my mech to change them for me 😂
I have an old mechanic but looking at this video I can tell that electric drivetrain is way more accurate which is crucial in many situations. I'm satisfied with my mechanical one, but would love to try the electric.
@@engineer1178 He asked about accuracy, and you've only retorted about reliability without providing any information or proofs. In what way(s) are electric shifters more accurate than high-end mechanical ones? Batteries die faster than cables stretch, so I don't see how the elec. shifter is more "reliable". And I can adjust a mechanical derailleur with an Allen Key - it may not be fast and automatic like the elec. shifter, but you're not calibrating your derailleur _while_ you're riding, so the argument of "taking less time to calibrate by pushing a button" is a pretty moot point; you should probably be checking your bike _before_ a big/long ride anyways... For the money you save on a mechanical derailleur you can probably afford to have your bike serviced a couple times a year - a service you're probably going to pay for anyways, even if you have an elec. shifter - a service that should include checking and adjusting your derailleur, electric or mechanical... Having a Lexus is great, but the extra cost isn't justifiable for more people - a fancier more expensive car is not necessarily nor inhearantly a "better" car. It is ultimately just a different car. Enjoy your Lexus, I'm fine in my Toyota.
I've had Di2 on my commuter for over a year without having to adjust it a single time. Give it a charge once every 3 or 4 months and it's good to go. My mechanical systems used to start to get gummed up after a couple of months of winter rain
What i love about electronic is the app, the garmin edge plugin and the fine tuning related to app. On the other hand, mech drivetrain doesn't need for batteries. But i do prefer electronic drivetrain. Can't wait for a Shimano XT wireless electronic derailleur if ever.
@@nassozeebo I would much rather go cable gears and dropper and run Chris King bearings to the hubs, headset and BB. Cable works so well, much cheaper and super easy to maintain at home.
I'll stick with mechanical until it doesn't satisfy my objective, if they could let's say use the heat generated by the disc to keep the electrical one charged or some integration where it used your pedal stroke, then who knows.
I just got the axs system and i have to say it’s so fricken nice. You also never have to charge it, it’s been like 3 months and the batteries are still on green. Also having no cables for the dropper or derailleur is so clean
I've been using an AXS GX for over a year now. 40 miles per week average. It's been beaten up by rocks, trees, dirt, cleanings, etc. It's still going strong and hasn't needed adjusting yet. I have had zero issues with it.
I have sram AXS electronic shifting on my stumpjumper - hands down the best shifting I´ve ever experienced. It´s also very easy to microtune. It can take a hell of a lot more beating than a traditional derailiur too. Bought the sram AXS dropperpost a few weeks back too - best dropper I ever tested/have owned. With that being said, I´m no pro rider and it hasnt made me a better cyclist or faster. But i have the money and i like technology so why not! :D
Electric has many advantages. Its not only shift just like manual, but It can shift accurately at the perfect side of sprocket teeth to prevent chain snap. You can keep pedaling it without reducing torque and still can change gear smoothly. Manual, robust but need skill and sometimes need to reduce torque, to prevent chain snap.
You can make three to four shifts up or down consecutively while holding the AXS LEVER, in my world they both do ok, I like not having wires on my bar. Downsides of electric is forgetting to charge the battery. Other than that I’m very happy with my electric shifter.
World is supposed to be going green... Then the bicycle industry change a perfectly good mechanical system into batteries and motors requiring rare earth metals. Stupid
I think mechanical is better in most cases, but putting a few motors and batteries on a bike isn’t a huge source of waste. Even an e-bikes environmental impact is nothing compared to cars.
@@happydoggo592 true and I don't believe the climate hysteria... But it goes against the narrative... Just like bill gates and Obama shouting sea level rise whilst buying beach front property.
should also do a video when mechanical wire loses tension, gets crap on the metal wire(contaminated) and snaps etc. Don't be acting like mechanical is flawless or without faults either.
@R_o_b_e_r_t lucky for you then. My roadbike went through a set of wires within 9 months and tension would need to be adjusted multiple times to keep it accurate.
I am fine with my shimano claris 2x8 groupset in my road bike and with my shimano tourney 2x8 groupset in my xc mtb bike, they're reliable and change gears really well even when they are dirty, I'm comfortable with them and they are really cheap!
It’s a mountain bike not a Tesla. Haha I’ve actually had more issues with AXS then I ever have with cable. I’ve never snapped a derailleur cable. KEEP IT SIMPLE. And go ride your bike!!!
Tried electric for a few months, it was a dissapoinment. Went back to mechanical and i am very happy. The feel you get with mechanical is way better, could not get usted to buttons.
My AXS Eagle groupset came with a concave rocker shifter that I could never get right. Always shifting into the wrong gear at the worst possible time. Come to find out that sram has a OEM indexer style set up with the look and feel of non wireless shift lever. And for relatively cheap and super easy to install. It solved that prob for me and for the life of me, I can’t understand why that wouldn’t come stock!!!
GX Eagle AXS mech and Reverb AXS post - both absolutely brilliant kit and I love them! AXS shifting is crisp and consistent even under load and I love how you can micro adjust the dropper; until you try it you just won’t get it. Totally a luxury and not needed, but also amazingly good kit if you choose to go AXS
Mechanical downshift is way more important imo. I always have time to gear faster. It’s transitioning to uphill where I always want the fastest response. Mech for me.
Electronic shifting is a step up if you can afford it. Especially after the bike has a few thousand kms on it rather than a fresh build still in the stand. I haven't used AXS, but im in love with my Di2. No adjustments, no cables gummed up with mud, no missed shifts because I pushed the lever a half mm too short. Just perfection and quarterly recharges
Had no end of issues with my SRAM derailleur on my summer-MTB - switched to this and it’s bloody brilliant! My winter bike has a Shimano derailleur and I love it, no need what-so-ever to change it. But the summer bike gets way more abuse and the AXS takes it all and adjusts itself automatically - brilliant.
The first time I got an Over the Air Update while my derailure, was sitting on the couch, I could not believe it....Technology...ain't she great...Never go back to cables...same comment for Headphones when I walk my Dog...Wireless baby.....all the time!
After almost 26,000 mi I still like the electric shifting. Never have to worry about cleaning or adjusting or replacing cables again . No matter how exhausted I am, day or night, or bad weather. It is effortless. Only had a problem one time a loose wire: I plugged it back in - bada bing bada boom! Of course, what others have written here is true: someone can always drop you, but that's true regardless of your bike.
Electronic groupsets just work best for me. Both my Racefully and my Gravelbike are equiped with Srams Axs drivetrain and i would never change it. But the mechanichal ones got something going for them.
That is the reality of it isn’t it? Talking about how they don’t want batteries, even though they’re cadence sensor in there by computer, both rely on them as does any light on the bike.
Yeah, in guessing 95% of the people saying "mechanical 100%, it's more reliable" have never used electronic shifting, let alone owned it. My Di2 has never had a single problem, not even a slow shift. It has been perfect
Electric. I'll never go back. Shifts like a dream from day one, even after many crashes. No fiddling with delimiter screws or running new cables. Anyone complaining about charging a battery once a month is clearly not maintaining their bike properly because there are so many other routine maintenance items that take much more effort/time
Somebody needs to tell Jeff that he needs to stop acting like an old man...plenty of time left for that...c'mon Jeff....Get with it Technology rules! As long as you keep your drive train clean and lubed...and of course your Der Hanger straight....Wireless will never fail!....I also have the Reverb Wireless Seat Dropper, that is insanely expensive but is way FASTER than a cabled Seat Dropper...and you can always swipe the battery from that post to replace the dead one in your derailleur in a pinch! Man I'm gonna have to drive down there and show you guys how to ride! I always tell people how hip you 1000 Oakers are...but I might have to change that up a bit....;-)
Tried both. I'll take my XTR mechanical every time. Shifts faster, crisp, no problem with accuracy. Don't have time to mess with battery charging. I mountain bike to get away from electronics. Mechanical is set it and forget it.
🇧🇷I prefer a mechanic 🙌🏼 in addition to not wasting battery life, maintenance is quieter and is also simpler, more agile and even better than electric 😁
Both are excellent. With electronic, every shift is precise. No need to worry about cable stretch due to time or temperature. Setting the H and L limit are easier on electronic. Cable tension is one variable that can be eliminated. Mechanical is cool too especially on a high end drivetrain like XO1. It never fails. Love XX1 AXS on my XC rig and XO1 mech on my trail rig.
I feel like groupsets kinda peaked for recreational and casually competitive cyclists with the really lightweight 10 and 11 speed options from 5-10 years ago. 12 speed isn’t much of an improvement and electric group sets are very heavy. You can get an 8-10 year old speed dura ace or red groupset for a similar price as a brand new 105 electronic, and it will literally weigh a kilo less. That’s a weight difference you’ll actually notice.
I've ridden everything in every configuration and SRAM AXS groupos are amazing. I've converted all my bikes. I can also say that you're saving energy not having to ratchet up and down a mechanic shifter. This adds up over long rides. Battery last months before they need a re-charge.
While I prefer mechanical drive train, I do enjoy the assistance from my EMTB for hills and winds. Great for options so everyone can use what they prefer and enjoy a nice ride!
I like mechanical shifting for mountain bikes, cheaper and I don't need to worry about replacing a thousand-dollar derailleur if the worst happens. For road bikes I prefer AXS/Di2 though, they're very reliable and are good for racing as they shift perfectly under load and I can always rely on them instead of having mechanical group sets possibly be a bit twitchy or slow.
Mechanical, always. Part of the beauty of cycling for me is that everything is mechanical. No reliance on any power/fuel source. Just you and the bike.
Except for my headlights
@@lesterroberts1628 You can power your headlights too mechanically with a dynamo hub. Even charge your cellphone too when paired with a USB inverter.
I love di2.
Perfect shifts every single time. I've snapped more gear cables than I've ran out of battery.
My next road bike will 100% have electronic shifting. Not so sure on my mtb and CX.
@@panzerveps each to there own. Shifting has never been a problem for me. And never snapped a cable in 20 years of mountain biking. But could easily carry a spare cable, which would last at longer than carrying a spare battery. But it all comes down to personal preference. It suits your needs so ride and enjoy.
Yeah
If you are not national & international racer, you can have the most latest expensive technology but still got dropped out by that Sora/105 mech guy.
Wdym? Rly 😅
and that Sora/105 mech guy will lose to the guy who is the same level as him but uses the latest expensive technology.
@@bikingchupei2447 Nahh. We talk about gs. Even duraace wheels only 10s faster than entry level wheels that come with bike purchase. If we use 1000usd wheels is more than enough such Winspace.
You said you are with top gs & beat that sora/105 mech guy everytime, OBVIOUSLY you are STRONGER than him, not same level.
Same case like me, my friend bike 6000usd, he stronger than me with 2500usd, after a while, I am beat him all the time. Either flat or climb.
Give you another example, you said you can beat that that sora/105 mech guy, let the sora/105 gs guy use 700usd OSPW and you use standard ultegra pulley wheels, I bet obviously you still can beat him.
Exclude national/international/pros rider, most of us have huge gap of performance. Even top 10 world pros have huge performance gap with the rest of world's pros. The variation of performance are huge between all of us. Your physical & training is the most important thing.
@@Alimukz Newest tech is new expensive electro groupset. My statement above is 105 mech. Huge different between price.
@@apair4002 i said "same level", if thats too hard to understand, how about this, he will lose to "himself" if he choses to use the latest expensive technology.
Oh man, rest of the group is getting some speed. Time to downshift **squeaksqueaksqueaksqueaksqueak**
What the person is not doing - maybe doesn’t have it configured - is holding it down continually. You can set it to shift a max number of times, like a burst, or have it not stop; that not stopping means you can go through the entire cassette in a couple seconds.
@@Rufus_Pufus so can I with my mechanic derailleur 🤷🏻♂️
@@asod187 the entire cassette just holding? And that's up and down shifting
@@NaddlyC you're right, it's really worth the extra money and hassle with batteries to go from 1st to 12nd gear by holding a finger for some reason.
@@john_john_john if it was only that, but there's more advantages
I appreciate the speed electric shifts with...but I neither compete for the latest, nor in races. There are excellent mechanical drivetrains for the regular Joe.
Electric means less maintenance, no cables to gum up, wear or break. It’s probably more suited to the average joe (bar the cost…)
@@discbrakefan I've seen a lot more failures due to the battery, wires and motors compared to mechanical drive chains. Shifting speed is a non-issue in my opinion.
@@discbrakefan If is that hard to do simple maintenance, as lube, clean, adjust and in some little cases, change a cable, which is in total like 10-15 minutes job, maybe joe should reconsider riding a bike with derailleur.
@Tim this is just nonsense. There are failures with every type of drivetrain .To suggest there is more with electronic groups is just something you've made up to suit your narrative .
Battery's not being charged is a user error not the battery
@@JaiJai71104 I've just seen a lot of electric shifting systems fail over the years, and much more frequently than mechanical. Other than ease of installation (which I don't care about) I see no advantage. The battery failures were not due to not being charged. Also, I mention other failures I've seen on rides, it's not just the batteries.
Mechanical. Keep it simple.
Just last weekend, my buddy's battery was dead before we even started. I just turned to my bike and clicked my gears and said, "Hmm... that's odd. Mine works just fine".
That’s weird, I have 3 batteries always charged and an extra entire derailleur cage in my downtube storage. Cables too and you can still bend your hanger on a trail. Saw it every day at the shop for years!
@@shoeonhead as cool as electronic is you could just ditch all those extras and run a mechanical groupset and be absolutely fine and ride just as well.
@shoeonhead and so?... Your argument is that running around with a bunch of spare crap is better? I've never had a Sram derailleur cable break. The only time I've had a cable break is with Shimano derailleurs, and since they've never fixed the angle of the cable exiting the cable housing boss, I haven't ran Shimano derailleur since 2002.
Like I said, keep it simple.
Oh yeah that’s weird why did he not just charge it
O this guy's friend's an idiot so mechanical is better.
I have both...and I went back to my mechanical, always ready for the ride!
Isnt it funny how that works. I did the same exact thing.
The battery lasts nearly a month. How often do you have to plug your phone in?
@@Wallstreetavarice that comparison have no sence at all.
Early phones was plugged in constantly. Nowday phones have to be plugged from time to time but not all the time already. So it became more unplugged than it was.
Bikes on the otherhand always was plug-free. It is the spirit of the bike to be plug-free. There is no a real reason to ruin it. I mean except for the greedy money-bags to put their filthy hands to customer's pocket even further.
They telling us that charging it once in a while is not that hard. And you know what? Not charging at all is the hell easier than that. 🤭
I am actually going primitive and primitive the longer I ride. Now I just want single speed.
Mechanical, I like the feel of knowing I’m at the end of the cassette. Not clicking away hoping for another gear.
Interesting, I never considered that aspect of it but that makes sense. I love the analog feel and the tactility of a mechanical shifter. I’ve experienced electronic shifting briefly on friends bikes and while it’s neat I don’t think it feels any better than my mechanical X01 setup
well, another way to look at it would be now you can focus on ride more because gear changes are more on the feeling side ( sram axs) left-go down right-go up... with 1x12 drivetrain... pure joy to ride. You never look what gear it is, just pedal and go!
My Garmin beeps when I'm at the top or bottom of the cassette 😆
@@paulh1860 That sounds annoying af 🤢
Hitting the end of the cassette feels like when the bolt carrier locks back….you know you’re out of ammo and need to switch mags.
Got SRAM AXS on my new bike. It's magic. Didn't think it would make a difference but the instant shift at a button press is amazing.
Yo tengo los dos y son preciosos no hay diferencia son exactos al final me quede con el mecánico es más ligero
@@nolanteofanesrodriguezbayo1156that’s not true. They are not exactly the same. If you don’t notice the difference perhaps you are not taking the time to test it properly.
You can like one over the other but sorry, the same they are not!
I run shimano XT. A friend runs AXS. We’ve ridden each others and can’t tell the difference. He’s an expert bike mechanic and they are both set perfectly
Mechanical…do not want to worry about batteries.
Those batteries last for like 2-3000 shifts, bring a spare in your flat kit and if you’re on a road bike just swap the front battery to the rear
@@martypino5258or you could just never ever need one ever whatsoever no matter what lol
Set it and forget it.
I have to readjust my mechanical shifter, more often than I have to recharge the batteries on my electrical
Electrical...do not want to worry about mechanic expenses
Try it using a 90s thumbshifter and you'll see magic before your eyes.
The should make the battery rechargeable from the wheel spinning so that you'd never have to worry about it.
don't give them ideas dude 😆
That's power loss and added weight.
2 things no cyclist want.
That has been invented long time ago. Maybe before your time, you didn't realise. It's called dynamo.
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@@panzerveps don't worry, if you worry about weight that much means your brain is 1kg lighter than average people so cheers!
They could add a KERS system making power from braking heat
Electric sullys the simplistic beauty of a bike
That's like saying that internally routed cables or index shifters "ruin the simplistic beauty of a bike."
Should we go back to downtube shifters and the likes ?
@Duodecaquark it's not like saying that because I'm not saying that and it doesn't the only things that ruin bikes for me is electric powered shifters I mean you have to be really delusional to want electric shifting really what are you gaining but a lighter wallet and bar spins
@Cool Guy what are you gaining says it all .Every groupset has pros and cons .
The gain with electronic shifting is 0 adjustment ever .Never missing a Gear .No rattling gears .
It's like saying why have an engine that does over the speed limit .Its not to say mechanical is bad at all but to be so closed minded is a you problem and it shows clearly that you have never tried it
@JaiJai71104 I mean if you can't set limit screws or turn a barrel adjuster go ahead and spend 5-600 on di2 or axis not my money not my bike I just don't think their worth a 6x what a mech derailleur cost
Mechanical = saving 💵💰
This is partially true. A friend that is a pro bike mechanic, has a shop and lives from this explained me why he is a fan of electronic.
Mechanical has wires and if they are fully routed internally is both time consuming and expensive to work with. Electronics are wireless and lacks this problem, their maintenance is cheaper and easier and you don't need to adjust it every now and then like mechanicals.
I was a electronic I don't want to say hater but something on those lines, but since he told me this I look them with better eyes.
@@nemure I have changed wires on my bike twice in 10 years (different bikes), one normal and one with internal. The interal are easy as heck, since you can use the old wire to guide the new one inside the frame. Takes maybe 2 minutes longer than external. The length of the external housing you just use the old ones as your blueprint. Takes around 30 minutes on a bike, and you only need todo it once in the bikes lifetime.
@@AndrewTSq again, this is partially true. It depends a heck log on brands.
Some have guiding and is fine, others doesn't and takes a hell lot of a time and effort to do so.
Regarding the change wires once in a life time you are totally wrong. I had to do it in 2 years, the mechanical shifters didn't work properly after 2 years where I rode 7 thousand km, nothing crazy
@@nemure my roadbike has been 14000km. I bought the best wires i could find here (jagwire) and a set was like $30.
@@AndrewTSq I have no clue what wires I had, nor what I got tbh.
I had what came with the bike from the factory and asked my mech to change them for me 😂
I have an old mechanic but looking at this video I can tell that electric drivetrain is way more accurate which is crucial in many situations. I'm satisfied with my mechanical one, but would love to try the electric.
nice to see some open-minded guy
How exactly is it more accurate? Only thing I see is that its slower and doesn't make any real difference apart from fact your battery can die on you
@@siemniakit’s actually much more reliable and can calibrate with the press of a button
@@engineer1178 He asked about accuracy, and you've only retorted about reliability without providing any information or proofs. In what way(s) are electric shifters more accurate than high-end mechanical ones? Batteries die faster than cables stretch, so I don't see how the elec. shifter is more "reliable". And I can adjust a mechanical derailleur with an Allen Key - it may not be fast and automatic like the elec. shifter, but you're not calibrating your derailleur _while_ you're riding, so the argument of "taking less time to calibrate by pushing a button" is a pretty moot point; you should probably be checking your bike _before_ a big/long ride anyways... For the money you save on a mechanical derailleur you can probably afford to have your bike serviced a couple times a year - a service you're probably going to pay for anyways, even if you have an elec. shifter - a service that should include checking and adjusting your derailleur, electric or mechanical... Having a Lexus is great, but the extra cost isn't justifiable for more people - a fancier more expensive car is not necessarily nor inhearantly a "better" car. It is ultimately just a different car. Enjoy your Lexus, I'm fine in my Toyota.
I've had Di2 on my commuter for over a year without having to adjust it a single time. Give it a charge once every 3 or 4 months and it's good to go. My mechanical systems used to start to get gummed up after a couple of months of winter rain
What i love about electronic is the app, the garmin edge plugin and the fine tuning related to app.
On the other hand, mech drivetrain doesn't need for batteries.
But i do prefer electronic drivetrain.
Can't wait for a Shimano XT wireless electronic derailleur if ever.
Mechanical gears & dropper post, threaded bbs, 6 bolt rotors and headsets without cables through them please.
These integrated seat clamps suck too. Just got one on a 2018 sirrus elite. It falls into the frame and gets stuck! Once i thought it was gone forever
Electrical/wireless dropper posts seems kinda sweet though...
@@nassozeebo I would much rather go cable gears and dropper and run Chris King bearings to the hubs, headset and BB. Cable works so well, much cheaper and super easy to maintain at home.
Agree only with centerlock rotors I dont see any problem
Not sure i'll ever go electronic
I like xtr group way more than my previous xx1 axs. Cable for me
Awesome! I ride XT which is great as well.
Cable? 10x more reliable!
@@ZRMTBaa As aaAaa
Hah it's the other way around for me, my xtr groupset is terribly unreliable after adjusting it countless times. As a mechanic id go axis any day
@felixfam0481 sounds like you have damaged, bent or worn out components.
This is coming from a bike mechanic.
I'll stick with mechanical until it doesn't satisfy my objective, if they could let's say use the heat generated by the disc to keep the electrical one charged or some integration where it used your pedal stroke, then who knows.
Axs is the way to go I promise it’s so much smoother
I agree with my fellow dentist
Need a third video of friction mechanical. With modern derailleur, it's like butter
Preach!! 🙌
I just got the axs system and i have to say it’s so fricken nice. You also never have to charge it, it’s been like 3 months and the batteries are still on green. Also having no cables for the dropper or derailleur is so clean
For me, I like bikes because of their mechanical system, so I'll take mechanical everytime.
"Sorry mate, i can't go. I forgot to charge my shifter"
Man sram wireless is so clean
Ya i cant even find the wire
@@coolhawk2003there isn’t one
Anything to not have to do cables
I've been using an AXS GX for over a year now. 40 miles per week average. It's been beaten up by rocks, trees, dirt, cleanings, etc. It's still going strong and hasn't needed adjusting yet. I have had zero issues with it.
Tha ks for the info, looking into one for my bike just haven't pulled the trigger yet haha.
@@stuart1289 it's a decision, but I think you'll enjoy it. Think the gx was down in price recently too!
Love my GX AXS. Best shifting I’ve experienced by far.
Switching gears that smoothly is satisfying
I wish mine did that
I bought a xtr group in the mid 2000's. It's still mostly on my current all rounder MTB. The one I use the most.
Mechanical, but I wish it was wireless.
Now that would be something.
Wireless?
Bruddah its a bicycle, not a phone 💀
Mechanical. Always like the simplicity of mechanical shifting
I have sram AXS electronic shifting on my stumpjumper - hands down the best shifting I´ve ever experienced. It´s also very easy to microtune. It can take a hell of a lot more beating than a traditional derailiur too. Bought the sram AXS dropperpost a few weeks back too - best dropper I ever tested/have owned.
With that being said, I´m no pro rider and it hasnt made me a better cyclist or faster.
But i have the money and i like technology so why not! :D
Finally, an honest person!
Cause weight
Electric has many advantages. Its not only shift just like manual, but It can shift accurately at the perfect side of sprocket teeth to prevent chain snap. You can keep pedaling it without reducing torque and still can change gear smoothly.
Manual, robust but need skill and sometimes need to reduce torque, to prevent chain snap.
In a zombie apocalypse, you'd wish you had got that mechanical when the grid goes under & zombies on yo a$$🧟🧟♀️🧟♂️
Mechanical all the way. Simplicity and reliability.
WoW this is really really impressive. To go from this small to that large so smooth.
You can make three to four shifts up or down consecutively while holding the AXS LEVER, in my world they both do ok, I like not having wires on my bar.
Downsides of electric is forgetting to charge the battery.
Other than that I’m very happy with my electric shifter.
Watching this vid with a fixie 😅
World is supposed to be going green... Then the bicycle industry change a perfectly good mechanical system into batteries and motors requiring rare earth metals. Stupid
I think mechanical is better in most cases, but putting a few motors and batteries on a bike isn’t a huge source of waste. Even an e-bikes environmental impact is nothing compared to cars.
@@happydoggo592 true and I don't believe the climate hysteria... But it goes against the narrative... Just like bill gates and Obama shouting sea level rise whilst buying beach front property.
The amount of rare earth minerals used is absolutely negligible compared to cars or other forms of transit.
Oh well we're all going to die soon anyway
Technology for technologies sake is stupid and unnecessary
its designed for those who need that extra speed. its not as damaging as a whole ass new car
My bike is both, so I don't really worry about it. 8 speed mechanical, and also has battery assist up to 4 levels. Absolutely love it.
Can you do a video of how well they shift when they run out of battery?
should also do a video when mechanical wire loses tension, gets crap on the metal wire(contaminated) and snaps etc.
Don't be acting like mechanical is flawless or without faults either.
@@YuudachiPois I ride my bike almost everyday for years and I never had a problem with wires...
@R_o_b_e_r_t lucky for you then. My roadbike went through a set of wires within 9 months and tension would need to be adjusted multiple times to keep it accurate.
Well the electronic shifter feels too stiff like clicking a button, whereas I like the mechanical shifting that lets you push deeper
You get a better feel with a mech lever.
that mechanical sounded smoother lol
LoL mean?
sounds like my mechanical 105 bike when the chain is newly waxed :)
I am fine with my shimano claris 2x8 groupset in my road bike and with my shimano tourney 2x8 groupset in my xc mtb bike, they're reliable and change gears really well even when they are dirty, I'm comfortable with them and they are really cheap!
My used bike came with gx Axs and I love it
It’s a mountain bike not a Tesla. Haha I’ve actually had more issues with AXS then I ever have with cable. I’ve never snapped a derailleur cable. KEEP IT SIMPLE. And go ride your bike!!!
@@Lenser I have a couple videos up on my channel talking about it.
💯👌🏽
Tried electric for a few months, it was a dissapoinment. Went back to mechanical and i am very happy. The feel you get with mechanical is way better, could not get usted to buttons.
Did you hire a groupset or buy one and sell it after you couldn't work it
My AXS Eagle groupset came with a concave rocker shifter that I could never get right. Always shifting into the wrong gear at the worst possible time. Come to find out that sram has a OEM indexer style set up with the look and feel of non wireless shift lever. And for relatively cheap and super easy to install. It solved that prob for me and for the life of me, I can’t understand why that wouldn’t come stock!!!
Both changes were fantastic. I love bikes
GX Eagle AXS mech and Reverb AXS post - both absolutely brilliant kit and I love them!
AXS shifting is crisp and consistent even under load and I love how you can micro adjust the dropper; until you try it you just won’t get it.
Totally a luxury and not needed, but also amazingly good kit if you choose to go AXS
Just love my XX1 Eagle AXS ❤
Electric upshift and mechanical downshift is best
Mechanical downshift is way more important imo. I always have time to gear faster. It’s transitioning to uphill where I always want the fastest response. Mech for me.
Why would you need electronics only to replace the return spring?
The both work perfectly
Next video
Electronic shifting is a step up if you can afford it. Especially after the bike has a few thousand kms on it rather than a fresh build still in the stand. I haven't used AXS, but im in love with my Di2. No adjustments, no cables gummed up with mud, no missed shifts because I pushed the lever a half mm too short. Just perfection and quarterly recharges
Sram xo1 mechanical can't beat dependability.
From my experience the electronic systems seem to need less maintenance and are more dependable then cable🤔 To each his own!
Imagine the damn shifters don’t work and no breaks I wouldn’t risk it
@@klopcodez No brakes? I thought we were talking abt drivetrains?
This just reminded me how poor i am😂
Then the industry has done its job!
Man that's awesome. I hope the 2024 Wired Freedom switches gears like that
Had no end of issues with my SRAM derailleur on my summer-MTB - switched to this and it’s bloody brilliant!
My winter bike has a Shimano derailleur and I love it, no need what-so-ever to change it.
But the summer bike gets way more abuse and the AXS takes it all and adjusts itself automatically - brilliant.
The first time I got an Over the Air Update while my derailure, was sitting on the couch, I could not believe it....Technology...ain't she great...Never go back to cables...same comment for Headphones when I walk my Dog...Wireless baby.....all the time!
Next: the wireless dog leash.
Running electric
After almost 26,000 mi I still like the electric shifting. Never have to worry about cleaning or adjusting or replacing cables again . No matter how exhausted I am, day or night, or bad weather. It is effortless. Only had a problem one time a loose wire: I plugged it back in - bada bing bada boom! Of course, what others have written here is true: someone can always drop you, but that's true regardless of your bike.
Electronic groupsets just work best for me. Both my Racefully and my Gravelbike are equiped with Srams Axs drivetrain and i would never change it. But the mechanichal ones got something going for them.
Mechanical, less prone to failure.
That is not true at ALL haha
@@macroglossumstellatarum3068 I've ridden too many times with people who've had a failure of their electronic shifters. There's more failure points.
Cue the "I choose mechanical not because I can't afford electronic but because...." folks
That is the reality of it isn’t it? Talking about how they don’t want batteries, even though they’re cadence sensor in there by computer, both rely on them as does any light on the bike.
Yeah, in guessing 95% of the people saying "mechanical 100%, it's more reliable" have never used electronic shifting, let alone owned it. My Di2 has never had a single problem, not even a slow shift. It has been perfect
Installed many and love them! I don't have one yet.
Electric. I'll never go back. Shifts like a dream from day one, even after many crashes. No fiddling with delimiter screws or running new cables. Anyone complaining about charging a battery once a month is clearly not maintaining their bike properly because there are so many other routine maintenance items that take much more effort/time
Just switched to AXS never will I run a cable shifter again!
Somebody needs to tell Jeff that he needs to stop acting like an old man...plenty of time left for that...c'mon Jeff....Get with it Technology rules! As long as you keep your drive train clean and lubed...and of course your Der Hanger straight....Wireless will never fail!....I also have the Reverb Wireless Seat Dropper, that is insanely expensive but is way FASTER than a cabled Seat Dropper...and you can always swipe the battery from that post to replace the dead one in your derailleur in a pinch! Man I'm gonna have to drive down there and show you guys how to ride! I always tell people how hip you 1000 Oakers are...but I might have to change that up a bit....;-)
@Larry Megugorac F R E D
Tried both. I'll take my XTR mechanical every time. Shifts faster, crisp, no problem with accuracy. Don't have time to mess with battery charging. I mountain bike to get away from electronics. Mechanical is set it and forget it.
11sp or 12sp?
@@thedownunderverse
Had 11spd. Presently a 12spd.
As someone who frequently forgets to charge my phone i dont think i will ever transition.
SRAM etap for me. No stretched cables etc. Batteries last 60hrs. Smooth AF.
🇧🇷I prefer a mechanic 🙌🏼 in addition to not wasting battery life, maintenance is quieter and is also simpler, more agile and even better than electric 😁
You have to change the wires after a time, on electric always works perfect after one year.
Electric, the xx transmission works great and silent under load, but at the end, my XT did it quite good on my XC.
Electric shifting is far superior - I would never go back. Much more accurate, no slippage, precise and reliable.
Can't knock it, if I haven't tried it!!
Mech all day
Don't know why you'd resort to electrical. "Oh shit forgot to charge my derailleur" and you're stuck in 3rd gear for the ride home.
Both are excellent. With electronic, every shift is precise. No need to worry about cable stretch due to time or temperature. Setting the H and L limit are easier on electronic. Cable tension is one variable that can be eliminated.
Mechanical is cool too especially on a high end drivetrain like XO1. It never fails.
Love XX1 AXS on my XC rig and XO1 mech on my trail rig.
I always use high-quality pre-stretched cables so my shifts always stay on-point.
I have both. Axs on road bike, XTR on MTB. Well adjusted xtr on mtb does the exceptional job. So does axs on roadie. I love just to tap the button
Machanical seems to be faster and works allways, no contest.
Electric baby.
I wound up going fixed gear personally, I'm stupid so I keep it simple. Low in maintenance and high in fun.
Im a tech guy! I love my sram xx1 wireless setup! Battery last a really long time between charges!
Sounds like there are mice in your drivetrain.
🤣🤣🤣
Electronic for me anytime thanks!
mechanical going up is so smooth
I love my electronic shifting! It is so smooth!!!!
Mechanical forever lol
I now have AXS and I feel ashamed at my previous comment
I have both but i prefer the electronic shift.
I feel like groupsets kinda peaked for recreational and casually competitive cyclists with the really lightweight 10 and 11 speed options from 5-10 years ago. 12 speed isn’t much of an improvement and electric group sets are very heavy. You can get an 8-10 year old speed dura ace or red groupset for a similar price as a brand new 105 electronic, and it will literally weigh a kilo less. That’s a weight difference you’ll actually notice.
AXS . I'll never go back to a cable
Ambos hacen bien su funcion, queda en gustos y claro. Presupuesto. 😂
Love the bar setup wireless gives you but mech any day for performance
I've ridden everything in every configuration and SRAM AXS groupos are amazing. I've converted all my bikes. I can also say that you're saving energy not having to ratchet up and down a mechanic shifter. This adds up over long rides. Battery last months before they need a re-charge.
Get an e-bike then if you need assistance... Or a stannah stair lift to help you up the stairs.
Eagle AXS XX1 purchased from Worldwide Cyclery and I thank you.
While I prefer mechanical drive train, I do enjoy the assistance from my EMTB for hills and winds. Great for options so everyone can use what they prefer and enjoy a nice ride!
Electronic shifting is a solution to a problem that doesn’t exist
Both. Nothing wrong with either ! Innovation is great!
I drive di2 for 3 years now, shifts flawless every time...charge it 1-2 times per season...it's amazing!!!
Shifter cable have always worked for me. Manual controls no recharge necessary.
Electric from now on - never going back! nothing shifts like it, so smooth!
Mechanical derraileur paired with friction shifters on a 1x setup. As cheap and maintenance free as it can be.
Mechanical, but man I love the sound of electronic shifting
I like mechanical shifting for mountain bikes, cheaper and I don't need to worry about replacing a thousand-dollar derailleur if the worst happens.
For road bikes I prefer AXS/Di2 though, they're very reliable and are good for racing as they shift perfectly under load and I can always rely on them instead of having mechanical group sets possibly be a bit twitchy or slow.
What derailler is 1k dollars ?