Charles-FL | Bible Has Never Been Proven Wrong | Talk Heathen 06.38
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- Talk Heathen 06.38 9-18-2022 with Secular Rarity and Student Doctor Ben
Charles in FL believes that the Bible is infallible and has never been proven wrong. Tell the police officer behind you to be cool because you are on a live call in a show. Is the mustard seed the smallest seed in the world? Is what is true in biology going to be true years from now? Did gravity not exist before we knew about it? Did your omnipotent god know about the things that we did not know about at the time the Bible was written? Incorrect information is still false regardless of what we know about it at the time something was written.
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If you just ignore all the errors and contradictions, there are no errors or contradictions.
Exactly ☺️
Borrowing from 'Catch-22', "How can you tell you've got flies in your eyes WHEN you've got flies in your eyes?!?!" ;-)
Ipso facto it’s perfect 😂😂😂
If you learn how to read properly, you will begin to see the truth! If you continuously take one statement out of context, then it’s East to say something is false. But when you actually read things in context you will see the truth in the statement. The mustard seed is the smallest seed that will grow into a tree. Look it up! Stop being ignorant!
@@bsrodeo7sAlso, if you excuse all your ignorance you aren't ignorant 🤷♂️ "In context" just means you're making excuses for things that don't make sense.
The Bible has a massive number of errors. His claim is absurd.
Considering the errors begin in the first paragraph on the first page, not too surprising
It got the information wrong on the very first page. The book sounds like it was written by a child.
The bible IS a massive error.
Yeah, it contains more errors than words....
Every word of the bible is true - but when the words group together to form sentences, that’s when the crap begins.
Take a drink every time the bible gets something right and you can drive home sober.
But take one everytime it's proven wrong, and you might suffer from mass liver damage.
Well, it gets *some* of the geography right...
@@Lupinemancer87 Within the first subchapter, no less!
Plot twist! I'm already home! Checkmate atheists!!
Take a drink every time a Christ-Stain gets it wrong, and you'll be dead before you start.
Like my family, this guy bases his whole world view on misunderstanding well-known scientific truths.
That's their entire M.O. Equivocate on scientific and pseudoscientific terms and then make you feel like you're the one who doesn't understand then. Pure gaslighting.
@@solsikkeridderuhyre5172 it's only convincing to the uneducated.
Their is nothing in the bible with any science let alone actual facts based in science.
The scientific truths? Do you understand how to read? Because here is the truth in Jesus’ parable… the mustard seed is the smallest seed, that will grow into a tree. This is a scientific truth. I wish you people would get a proper education, and learn to read in context. And what proof is there in science, that relates to the Bible? Scientific theories are not facts! They are theories that can’t be proven! Although the JWT is proving their theories to be wrong. Learn what you’re talking about, before you make stupid statements! You people are just ignorant to me!
"Bible Has Never Been Proven Wrong"
Actually, not only have it been proven wrong multiple times, it has never been proven true in the first place.
Actually.. to be fair
The bible in it's entirety is not false
PARTS of the bible are true
Examples
thou shalt not steal is true
Thou shalt not kill is true
Ethiopia (mentioned in the bible) is a real place
as is egypt
stuff like that
Parts are true
but the parts that matter....are not
Really you only need to really prove one point before any other to give it any credibility
PROVE THAT MOSES WAS A REAL PERSON
You see....
(and this has been proven as false)
- Without moses you have no commandments
- Without moses the first book of the bible is not written
- therefore no bible
- Therefore god's laws were never passed onto man, if they were there in the first place
The bible was created by the catholic church, that's how it all started and they were entrusted as "speaking on god's behalf" and realistically, NO ONE QUESTIONED THEM
the only reason why the bible holds true to some of these people is it is filled with some level of truth so when a debate arises they go to that
if it was all lies, it would fall over, but it's not
the problem is .....
they call it GOD'S INFALLABLE WORD
it is however, not god's word and a simple phone call to the publishing company settles that debate
I have actually called them and asked them , they are legally obligated to tell you the truth for the sake of non misrepresentation
You see.. the idea is... if they lie to you when asked a direct question you can sue them
and what they'll tell you is
this is not god's original word, it is our intellectual property that we can alter without prior written notification or warning
they will also tell you that if you choose to follow it you do so from your own choice
see... Deniability
but yeah.. you can literally call them and ask
sometimes they will tell you The bible is INSPIRED BY GOD
but when asked, is it his original word, they will always tell you NO IT'S NOT
simple as that, Bible as gods word.... disproven
@@martinkuliza based on that logic no work of fiction that is written to be in a universe hasn't been proven wrong
You don't need to prove every single statement wrong to state that a document is as a whole wrong
@@conradlorgar5508
Fair enough, but.. that's not what i was saying.
i wasn't saying that we have to disprove the entire bible wrong to prove it wrong
Honestly, moses being fictional takes out the majority of the bible anyway, After that what difference does it make if you prove anything else correct, the entire thing is based around the commandments.
Another quick point, the bible on it's own merit does a pretty good job of disproving itself
but the point being.. that's not what i was saying
in saying that, i agree with your comment
I love this call
"No one has proven it wrong"
"Is the mustard seed the smallest seed?"
"No but..... excuses"
"Then its been shown to be wrong"
"but excuses."
I don't think he put much thought into his argument at all, because he straight up showed it wasn't infallible at all. Even though Ben clarified what he meant be infallible.
Yes sometime I feel sorry for people like this particular caller because, I don't think he ever actually had his religion question and he really doesn't know how to respond to that.
@@ishmaelkelly951 honestly I am not sure he would understand how any belief is questioned, religious or not. Every response he had showed he had absolutely no epistemic bases for anything that was being said. He just knows to repeat some line and when confronted he keeps saying the line over and over as if that means something.
@@jeffparent2159 yeah I kind of agree with you there buddy😄 👍that's why I feel that he's never been challenged on his religious beliefs because ,the only response that he have is just to preach things out of the Bible, which shows you that he really doesn't know how to respond to anybody that questions his religion .which I basically see most Christian apologies do; especially when they have debates with religious people versus atheist because atheists are debating ,religious people want to preach. I think that it is a sad way to go through life.
@@jeffparent2159
*Every response he had showed he had absolutely no epistemic bases for anything that was being said.*
Yup, he's a perfect example of someone who was been taught what to think, but not how to think, or given the opportunity to learn how to analyze why he believes what he does.
This was an absolutely embarrassing call for the Christians and for charles. His arguments are fucking horrible and demonstrably incorrect. He has no fucking clue about anything outside of the Bible and it's just drinking the kool-aid. He was absolutely embarrassed here. I hate to say he was owned or destroyed but fuck man it's hard to use any other words. This was one of the worst calls for team Christianity I've heard in a long time. A word of advice charles, if you want people to believe in Christianity you shouldn't be the one arguing because you are ill-equipped
Wow, it took mere seconds for Charles to start back tracking from his claim.
Are you surprised? He's a christian. That's their national sport :D
He didn't listen nothing...Specialy the last part to start out of conclusion...
Back tracking, side stepping, ducking and diving…
It’s because poor Charles doesn’t know the scripture. The mustard seed is the smallest seed that will grow into a tree! The scripture is correct! All you people are ignorant morons! Matthew 13:32. Read it, so you can see your ignorance!
@@Lupinemancer87 I’m a Christian, and I don’t back track! You people are ignorant! You can’t handle the truth! I’ll show you how you’re wrong, and you’ll make smart ass comments back. That is stupidity at its finest! Matthew 13:32. Read it!
I used to think people were ignorant because they were too lazy to look at the evidence or because they lacked access to it. But the amount of effort Charles puts into being this ignorant is astonishing.
He just wants his seat in the eternal retirement village in the sky and will reject facts and reason to get it
With all due respect to this man, that's how a lot of Christians act... they won't further their education on the Bible nor will they look up anything! Whatever their pastor says, that's what they believe!
I believe people as willfully ignorant and wrong about our shared reality as Charles is should be barred from driving, voting, and raising/influencing children, so that the only people he can harm while living in la-la-land are himself and his fellow demented people he sees on Sundays.
If he even goes to church, that is.
It's so sad people still cling on to this "never proven wrong" when basically every claim that can be scientifically tested is obviously wrong.
How so? Can you name one thing that science has proven to be wrong? Just one, so I can tell you why you’re wrong. I’m not as ignorant as poor Charles. So far nobody here has named one fact. Here’s a fact for you. Read Matthew 13:32. The statement is… the mustard seed is the smallest seed that will grow into a tree. Now do a google search. Is the mustard seed the smallest seed that will grow into a tree? Then, please kindly respond. Don’t make some stupid comment. Just admit that you were wrong.
I know there are intelligent, rational and sane folks in Florida. I lived in the state for 13 years and I met both of them.
Im stealing this for some future scenario
But we've never met.
OMG, that's fantastic
😂
As a Jacksonville resident, Steve and I say hello. Hope to see you next time you’re passing through.
The VERY FIRST question should be, "Which version of the Bible are you claiming is inerrant?"
Does that include the 14 books the Jesuits yanked out ?
The only reliable version is the King James Version. Any others have been modified, and are untrustworthy.
They are all crap and theists know it. 😢
That’s the information that was known at that time. The Bible was written for people then and doesn’t apply to people now. So the book should disregarded.
Exactly
These two were too nice with the guy. Being wilfully ignorant is seriously damaging to society
Matt would have laid the smack down on him.
This was a frustrating call. The guy was ridiculous and the responses were fairly meh.
You must be cautious this way with these kinds of people sometimes if you really want them to understand what you are trying to say and help prove things to them in a way they might actually accept rather than demolishing their arguments badly but only proving to many viewers what they already know.
@@USS_Sentinel I was just thinking that, though I think some people have learned to look at when Matt might be on to purposely avoid him.
Anger and unkindness doesn't encourage learning
Do not play football with Charles! He will constantly move that goalpost.
Ha, nice
The bible has been proven wrong many times in history.
Unfortunately, the people who prove the bible wrong were all burnt to the stake by the very loving christians.
Nooo those weren’t true Scottmen a true Scott’s would never burn heathens at the stake true Scott’s let god take care of that in hell
How could illiterate people during the dark ages prove anything wrong? How many people could afford to keep a tutor in their household? You had to be an aristocrat to be able to teach your children Latin and then teach them how to read.
@@elingeniero9117 by talking.
You are right, most peasants in the dark ages are illiterate. But they can talk. And some of them wanted to ask questions. Remember what the church's teachings are? "Do not question god, do not question the bible, do not question the church"
Now, why would an organozation that wants to spread the truth not want people to ask questions?
Easy, because asking questions can incite thoughts, and these thoughts can be dangerous... to who? Well... to their scam.
Look at what's happening now, people are free to ask any question. Can you see how it severely damaged the religious organizations?
People may be illiterate, but it doesnt mean they cant think...
And any religious organization hates people who think.
There's a reason why religious leaders call you sheep,and they are the shepherds.
Because all they want is to fleece you.
In Jesus' name. Or was it god? Or both?
@@hurithinkbefore1340 in yog-sothoth's name.
Was it yalbadoth? Was it both?
Sounds ridiculous?
Well so was yours.
A lifetime of indoctrination has shut off this guy's critical thinking skills. Conversation with him is likely pointless. Best that he and people like him simply fade into irrelevance and obscurity, and hopefully their harmful beliefs fade with them.
They should also make it against the law to preach religious nonsense on the streets and other places like parks, they try to brainwash people like they have been brainwashed.
Logic is first sin and knowledge is the forbidden fruit.
Petition to plaster evidence that the Bible is inconsistent on every commercial and billboard lol
Actually, tho! This is a really good idea.
Lol good idea I would sign that.
Well in all fairness, a mustard seed is MUCH bigger than their IQ. 😂
Subatomic particles have a higher iq than this caller!
The mustard seed is also bigger than their 'faith', too, or they'd be moving mountains around, no?
@@adamstrange7884 if Leibniz was right about monads, then that could be literally true.
Go look it up for laugh, and keep your eyes out for Voltaire's "drop of urine"! 🤣
😂🤣😂
A bat is not a bird. Rabbits do not chew their cud.
That depends on your definition of chewing their cud. Rabbits do have a kind of a two-stage eating process they poop one time and then they eat it again and then they don't eat the second time. This process will help him to get more nutrients out of there soon along with getting vitamin b12. Guinea pigs also do this. They eat their poop instead of throwing up their food to chew on it again.
@@UlexiteTVStoneLexite “Cud” is a specific term with a specific definition. I get your point but if this is supposed to be “god inspired” how did they get that wrong? Not to mention other things like a global flood, Tower Of Babel, and the dead rising from the graves.
@@NoHateLikeChristianLove but does the verse specifically say cud or was it "bring forth again" or something like that. Because it is eating it again.
I'm not defending the Bible at all, just that part. And if the verse is phrase that way they didn't get that part wrong because yes they do eat it again but this is something that would be very easily observed so it's not like that gets any brownie points. It would have been mentioning something pretty obvious because you can watch a rabbit eat its poop
The bird argument is dumb. You're arguing about a classification system designed by humans. Some animals used to be classified differently. At the time of storing, bats were considered birds.
@@VogtTD which is a Wyatt's dumb that the supposed all-knowing creator of the universe called them birds. God describe them as birds in the story not the people
This guy said at the very beginning that "everything in the bible is infallible and is true forever". Great! The mustard seed must STILL be the smallest seed AND slavery is OK!
AND ALL OF HUMANITY AROSE FROM EXCESSIVE INBREEDING!
Careful there are probably a lot of bible thumpers out there now that would say slavery is ok.
Here’s your stupidity… the mustard seed is the smallest seed that will grow into a tree! That was the statement in context. Slavery has never been ok, but it existed, and still exists today. Nobody ever said that it’s ok! But it is part of the evil of humanity. Opinions are like buttholes! Everyone has one. Try basing your opinions on facts, instead of ignorance.
As a biblical scholar I can tell you that there's so many things in the Bible that have been proven incorrect or inconsistent that even Orthodox rabbis regularly talk about the ones that exist in Tanach. That's before you ever get to this guy's new testament.
Very few Christians believe everything in the bible is literally true.
Most people who read the bible and see it claims there was a tree so big that could be seen by anyone in the world. Or that god created all languages, that plants and light existed before the sun and stars.
Most Christians read that and say it was a parable or metaphor rather than literally true. Starting with the belief that it’s all true and cannot be wrong. Leads you to a bunch of wacky conclusions and denial of facts.
There’s a reason why a higher percentage of flat earthers are also young Earth creationists than the general population. Again if they start with the assumption there was a literal tree that could be seen from Europe, Asia, Americas etc at the same time. You can only assume that the world is flat. Which leads you down a rabbit hole of conspiracies that scientists are lying about everything (even the Christian ones).
I would have started on the caller's initial claims by pointing out the two separate and contradictory creation stories, Genesis 1 and 2: the order of creation, how adam and eve came to be, whether or not they were created before or after the plants and animals. What about inconsistencies among the four gospels? Finally, how would one demonstrate that the god, not people, actually wrote the whole megilla? Has the caller even read it?
I agree. I thought these hosts were pretty incompetent in nailing this guy to the cross. They completely missed the opportunity to explain how the layers were inconsistent with scientific findings. We would have fossils swimming up from layers somehow and winding up in the wrong year. Up to 4,590-foot thicknesses of radiolarians occur on the Pacific Ocean floor. Radiolarians are tiny marine organisms with silica skeletons.
And they also contain chloroplasts and must float near the ocean surface to obtain sunlight. The rate at which dead radiolarians settle to the bottom of the ocean is too slow for that thickness and amount of radiolarians to accumulate in the 4,500 years since Noah’s flood. Although radiolarians are not found in the sedimentary rocks of the Grand Canyon,
fossilized radiolarians are common in sedimentary layers in other parts of the world of the same geologic age, and each of these layers contains distinctly different radiolarian species that are among more than 4,000 different species that have been identified. Chaotic rushing waters of a tsunami in Noah’s flood would have been unable to sort out these different species in different geologic ages from those living early in the flood to those created late in the flood. (Collins 2015a)
@@emordilap Well the excuse for the last part as I was taught is the the Bible is “god-breathed”. Written by men but dictated by god. Still doesn’t explain the inaccuracies.
I usually just ask questions.
When Jesus was born, what town did his parents live in?
Who was Jesus'grandfather?
What city did the disciples go to after Jesus'death?
That's just for starters but I have them look up the citations themselves in their own Bible so they know I'm not playing tricks.
To me, the go-to example of this kind of factual inaccuracy is when Jesus tells people to not wash their hands before they eat. If God knows about germs then why would he give that advise? Imagine the millions of people God could have saved if Jesus had just said, "oh yeah, btw...wash your hands. Just trust me on this."
The Bible also has Jesus refer to Noah's flood when Noah's flood is based off an *older* flood myth.
You'd think the son of God/God himself would know this.
@@epicofgilgamesh9964 Some Christians dodge problems with the first 11 chapters of the bible by declaring them symbolic. This range goes as far as the Deluge, and then the Tower of Babel.
But since Yeshua of Galilee clearly believed the Deluge really happened, this puts them in an awkward position. They are supposedly wiser than he!
@@ForwardMan3001 as soon as Genesis is symbolic you've done away with the whole poiint of Jesus and the crucifixion... no sinless start with grace, no need for salvation back to that state...
@@bodricpriest8816 So what?
Dishonest caller, he gets confronted with lots of examples that aren't correct, and immediately jumps to another example.
Just admit you're wrong, jeez
30 seconds in, and I'm already cracking up! Thank you SR for that "does not compute-does not compute" moment.
Let's see where this goes...
"The layers prove a global flood"
"How so?"
"They're very thick layers"
Give the man his Nobel Prize.
Yeah, that not the only thing that's thick......
@@USS_Sentinel Exactly what I was thinking! LOL!
@@USS_Sentinel hahaha, Subtle 🤣
And ironically the layers are proof of No flood, for a host of reasons
They have no idea that the amount of layers we have could not form over 6 thousand to 10 thousand yrs. Especially the ice sheets we have cores of it would take storms and events every hour of everyday for thousands of years.
I'll never understand why these people never say "well I believe it cuz it makes me feel good" that's the only real and acceptable response
That would require honesty and humility which none of them have. They would rather die than admit the irredeemable deficiencies of their "religion".
@@digbycrankshaft7572 oh yes, and your comment shows honesty and humility? Do you know how to read? Matthew 13:32. Let’s see how well you read. The mustard seed is the smallest seed that will grow into a tree! Come on, let’s hear your response… I’m waiting for it.
Actually, Charles, every constellation has visibly changed throughout human history because of the motion of the stars and galaxies through the universe.
Counterpoint: The bible has never been right about anything ever in all of history, and anyone who takes it seriously would be infantilized, stripped of responsibilities, and never trusted to do anything more complex than soil themselves.
Weeelll. devils advocate here.... If you accept the bible (old testament at least) as a transcribed, word of mouth history of a people rather than as a HOLY book. There is plenty to learn from it. Several archaeological digs in the middle east were based upon it, with some success. If you consider it in the same light as any other creation myths; Kalevala, Epic of Gilgamesh, Navajo creation myths ect, you can get a lot out of it too. You just have to put it into perspective.
It's helpful to think of such mythologies like the Marvel 9/11 comic, or the Odyssey. They can have real events in real places right along side mythological characters and events.
There is...some things is been right about, but thats kinda like claiming that Harry Potter is a true story because it was right about Kings Cross Station. Not exactly convincing, is it?
@@DanDan-eh7ul I would turn that on it's head: yes to the Odyssey, but I would argue that Marvel is more like old myths than the other way around. Marvel TOOK old myths, turned them into something contemporary and then made money without worrying about integrity. I am looking especially at their version of Thor....
@@marcusreading3783 Well, more like looking at Ibn Fadlan and arguing that because some things were obviously wrong that the WHOLE thing has no value in any way. Which is insane. Historical documents should be read AS historical documents with all their pros and cons.
You mean no one has proven it right
Re global flood: explain Kangaroos, Wallabies, Echidnas, Platapus. How did they get TO the ark and how did they get BACK to Austalia ? ?
God did it
The Earth was smaller back then. Uhm... plate tectonics... cracked open deep? 😛
@@TheWasteOfTime Yep, and let out all that water in the core. Magma is just basically hot water-stone made by God so can do whatever the hell it wants. Was that a pun? It wasn't intentional. Or was it?
They were fired out of volcanos like cannon balls. I'm not joking, I've heard that claim before.
They are ALL hoaxes. I mean, really, have you LOOKED at them? Ridiculous!
Us "Austalians" just love a larf! 🤣
"The Bible is infallible!"
God made plants a day before he made the sun.
I understand using the mixed up 6-day creation timeline against Christians, but I wouldn't use yours. How would you answer if they replied "so, you're saying plants cannot survive ONE measly 12-hour day without sunlight?"
@@snakeplisssken8095 What would the temperature on earth be before sun was created if such a thing was possible? If too cold, then no plants would survive.
"Can I have 30 seconds to a minute to talk uninterrupted" followed by "I didn't get my 30 seconds" instead of addressing any of the hosts' points, shows that this caller was not actually interested in discussing anything, he just wanted to preach.
I’m so happy I don’t have to protect a god. I can just live in the real world as it is.
Tree so tall you can see it from anywhere on the planet.
Interestingly, if you watch the Foundation series, they have a skybridge into space, which is so high it can wrap around the planet. And still you wouldn't be able to see it from the other side of the planet. Good visualisation of how absurd the tree claim is
@@CyberBeep_kenshi I LOVELovelove the idea of skyhooks.
This caller is a perfect example of so many believers. He's decided that the bible is infallible and pointing about fallibilities in the bible isn't going to change that. Christians claim to hate redefining words yet they do it all the time and the caller did it right here.
And then there is this absolute hilarious story about how Jesus was born. Can you imagine poor Josef running down to the local taverna and telling his friends that his wife is pregnant and she told him it was conceived by the "Holy Spirit". "Beer for everyone it´s on me" shouted Josef. When poor Josef went out for a p.. all his friends bursted out in hysterical laughter because they all knew it was Ahmed the local Goatherder who had been there.
What does a dyslexic, agnostic, insomniac do? A: Stays awake all night wondering if there really really is a dog. 😆😅😅🤣
😂🤣😂
Four corners of the EARTH - Globe doesn't have corners
Or that illusive firmament 🤣
Theist: "Oh, so if I misrepresent your position I don't get my full 30 seconds? I see how it is..."
"The Bible is true....because science has been trying to disprove it for decades. And if they'd succeeded it would be on every front page and all over the news"
Good Christ, where does this guy live?
Under a rock, and simultaneously in an echo chamber.
@@blarglemantheskepticwith his head in a pile of bullsh*t
Did god know that someone will create CZcams, where people from all over the world will be speaking to each other via a comment section of a video? Would have been a great prophecy. But god didn't think far enough in the future.
Explaining to them exactly how ‘he’ started the whole Universe and life would be fantastic as well.
He presupposes he is right, so it isn't a debate in his mind. He is angry and rant-y because it is impossible (in his mind) for his opponents to be right, yet everything they say is right. It's like talking to my family smh.
Stupidity
"there's so much evidence for a flood!"
"Like what?"
"So much evidence!"
Limestone exactly shows the flood story wrong, it requires millions of years of calm water...
Everyone knows Snakes and donkeys talk!!
@Anti-anti-intellectual5 GOD knows everything - but still looks for ADAM and EVE only to ask them "Who told you that you were naked"
All while being everywhere.
And because God did not have an Iphone he called Moses in a burning bush.I hope Moses did not put his ear too near the bush.
@@trident6547 Well to be fair GOD did share his tablets with Moses
Yes I had a chat with a donkey yesterday. 😂🤣😂🤣😂
GOD is perfect - GOD regrets making man? Think about that.
Also, he's a jealous God. Of what exactly? Oh yeah, other gods. Do what now?
@@biekgiek When GOD says there are other GODS how can you go wrong?
If he is perfect, why did he need to add humans, if he was already perfect 😂
@@smochygrice465 "why did he need to add humans" - he just wanted to kill them, kill them all, just like Anakin.
@@biekgiek It makes more sense when you realize man made god in his own image.
Dude cuts them off over and over and then has the nerve to say, "can I say something without being cut off?"
The mustard seed wasn’t even the smallest seed farmers of that day would have been familiar with.
even if it were, there were larger seeds than mustard seeds, so farmers (and most people) would be able to understand, hey, we know there are different sized seeds, so there could be seeds smaller than mustard seeds
Him: Give a specific example in the Bible.
You: You gave a specific example.
You: Give evidence for a global flood.
Him: There is evidence everywhere.
He has no issue with declaring that you must give specific examples, but when asked upon to do the same thing, refuses to do it. That is quite telling.
this caller is a good example of how a chess game with a pigeon would be like
Ironically, the pigeon would probably be smarter then him at chess ;D
You win!
Pleiades isn't a constellation, its a star cluster, very different than Orion.
It also isn't going to last forever, even ignoring heat death, but the studies show its not going to last more than 250 million years. And its going to change quite a bit even before that.
The thing is that the constellation we are seeing, distanced by light years, meaning, we're seeing the afterimage of these stars and will be taking millions to billions of years for the light to show the constellations having moved. EVEN THEN, that is not the stars' CURRENT position.
No constilation lasts forever. Duh
They don't last forever even if stars never die, based on earth around the sun science
Of course the Pleiades is a constellation. Any group of stars given a name is a constellation.
@@elingeniero9117 .
Sorry but no.
Definition of a constellation.
"a group of visible stars forms a perceived pattern or outline, typically representing an animal, mythological subject, or inanimate object"
A star cluster such as the Omega Centauri globular cluster, has no outline or pattern.
@@grahvis Πλειάδες, Ancient Greek pronunciation: [pleːádes]), were the seven sister-nymphs, companions of Artemis, the goddess of the hunt. Daughters of the Titan Atlas. Zeus made them into seven Stars so they could evade Orion. Orion, son of Poseidon the god of the Seas.
I believe that either Aron Ra and/or Matt Dillahunty points out that mustard seeds weren't even the smallest known seeds to the Jews of that era, since they had black orchids which have smaller seeds.
I think a situation like this is wonderful for encouraging the caller to put their money where their faith is. "If The Flood is the answer, then you don't have to start there. You can investigate every outlandish, 'scientific' claim, and it won't hold up under scrutiny. And all that will be left is God. The only reason you wouldn't investigate these other claims with your whole heart and opened eyes is because you lack faith in God's answers. If you REALLY believe in God's answers, you'll try to prove the other answers right and fail."
Couple years of that kind of honesty, and boom, you've got yourself a healthy, skeptical atheist.
There are a few things in the bible I always wondered over. When Noah built his ark and it started raining there two animals of each species in the ark. What did the carnivores eat?
And the water rose and covered the whole eart and drowning everything that could not breathe under water. There must have a heck of a lot of cubicmeters of water since it had to cover the Himalayas, the Alps and the Andes for example. But then somehow all this water disappeared and Noah, his family and all the animals got out and immediately found habitats where they could live and multiply.
Later on in the Bible Noahs offspring had been busy giving birth to children and some of the ended up in Egypt. Wait a minute where did these egyptians suddenly come from?
And there were people in China that had never heard about this strange God that drowns people and destroys cities with thermonuclear brimstones because he did not like their way of life and killed all firstborn in Egypt. That God belongs in Hague accused of crimes against humanity and genocide. Nor had the Tupi nations in Amazonas or the Aborigins in Australia. Did Columbus find any churces when he "discovered" America? No! The native peoples there had their own religions and gods or supreme beings.
There are allegedly 4200 religions in the world. Some think 4199 are praying to false gods. Some think that 4200 do that.
Dumbing it down to make it easy to understand? Oh, the irony.
Couldn’t god just show this person a smaller seed at any time????
I read this while he actilually said it haha.
If this caller was ever forced, 'Liar, Liar' style, to tell the truth and NOT even be allowed to mislead / misdirect, I *swear* the man would bite his own tongue out rather than change his position based on the *evidence*.
This guy's assertions are preposterous and his rhetoric embarrassing. He drank all the Kool aid and asked for more.
His cup is full and overflowing
Proposition: I do not belive there is a lamp on the table.
Rational Reason: I can not see a lamp on the table
Thiest Proposition: there is a lamp on the table.
Theist Reason: well I have always liked lamps, and they provide so much good in the world, and you of course have experienced lamps so you know they are real. . . When I was a kid I used to play under the table at my parent's house and they had a lamp turned on so we could see at night because lamps do so much good in the world so why WOULDN'T there be a lamp on the table? Plus the room is lit up so how would you explain THAT if there isn't a lamp? And wouldn't you like to have a lamp? Wouldn't life be better with a lamp on that table lighting things up and keeping us safe? I know I can't imagine life without a lamp so I think it is just more likely that there is a lamp on that table. Better mathematical odds that the lamp exists. . . I mean what are the odds of there NOT being a lamp? Check mate.
Stupid is dangerous CHARLIE!
The stupid is strong with Charles.
Interestingly, the fact that most geologic formations (“layers”) do NOT look like flood deposits was instrumental in leading early geologists away from the biblical flood account.
This is why I could never host a show like this. My patience would have been gone in five minutes
Charles is the epitome of a "Florida Man" my goodness, he is barely sentient
This is my first time seeing one of your videos, and I have to say I appreciate the overall calmness that you handled some frustrating conversation points with.
Charles won't be convinced by mere proof.
The hosts didn't do a good job with this one. Instead of spending half (at least) of the episode talking about freaking mustard seeds, just point out the obvious mistakes in the Genesis story about the creation of the earth and heavens. Charles still won't accept it, but at least you get off freaking mustard seeds.
I'll agree the call coulda gone better but largely because they gave this dude WAY too much air. They coulda picked ANY example of the Bible being wrong; the order of Creation, mustard seeds, bats aren't birds, Darius the Mede, the fact that the Exodus never fucking happened, etc etc. It really wouldn't have mattered because it was evident from the get go the dude had never actually read the bible apart from a few bits and could handwave whatever he needed to.
i think they have to read the full bible to show all the example of inaccuracies in the scripture,i think every page is filled with wrong info
You're quite welcome to do better.
Just do your own show - pretty simple.
@@AlBundyOz what a laaame ass answer
They also didn’t answer his response to the mustard seed thing.
To a Christian the bible has never been proven wrong and to a Muslim the Quran has never been proven wrong. Job and Jesus are in the Quran so ask Charles if that makes the Quran God’s inerrant and infallible word.
“God changes his examples to meet the understanding of people at the time, but also he puts things in the Bible that people wouldn’t figure out are factually correct for thousands of years.”
And this guy doesn’t see the contradiction in those statements.
The example I always give for biblical fallibility is breeding animals in front of sticks to make the offspring striped.
The other question I'd ask this caller, would be " How many incorrect things would it take for you to change your mind about something you believe that is true"?
If a smaller seed didn’t exist at that time, then I guess that confirms evolution.
There you go, using LOGIC and EVIDENCE and FACTS again!!! ;-)
No. Only good evidence of evolution confirms evolution.
@@coreaccount4376 exactly!
He never said the smallest seed at the time didn't exist. The hosts didn't hear him correctly. Honestly I think it would've worked better giving him a different example of an error. There's definitely a lot of them!
Smaller seeds do exist! But they won’t grow into a tree, as Jesus stated! Learn to read people! Matthew 13:32. Anything can be made to sound wrong if taken out of context. You’re showing your ignorance, and I’m lmfao 🤣 at you!
It's painful to hear how closed to new information this caller is
Charles saying the bible is infallible is such a good self-preservation tactic. He will tire people out listing the inconsistencies in the bible (rather than just watching a Non-Stamp Collector video) even though the Bible being infallible is not s core tenet of his belief. He would still believe if it was fallible. So what's the point?
@Charles-FL:
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*Have Questions About Changing Or Leaving Your Faith?*
*You Are Not Alone*
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I've watched so many countless hours of theist who absolutely refuse to listen to the questions that are critically thought out to show how flaud their beliefs are. It's actually very frightening to have any individual who will just in say that nothing will ever change their minds!
The constellation stuff bothers me because those are just appearing to be a cluster based on our relative perspective but they are all very very far apart.
damn...Caller was neck deep somewhere else. It's so sad, I have family members who I love dearly but who are like this :(
Charles other masterpiece call is “The ark is real and it’s in Turkey”. Worth a listen on Athiest Experience 26:08😂🤣😂
Charles is still stuck in Sunday school. Jesus loves me, this I know, cause the bible says so. A lot of people cannot remove themselves from a situation and gain a different perspective. It takes the right phrase for each person to make them "see the light" (photons that is.)
An adult person. Apparently able to take care of his very basic needs…
„The Bible has never been proven wrong“ …
I know that’s a normal guy from America … but still… wtf?! In this world, in this time?! It blows my mind. It makes me sad. It makes me lose hope … we are doomed
Nope. I’m a normal (whatever you mean by that)person in America U.S. and this chump caller doesn’t speak for everyone. Hell, he doesn’t even speak for Christians.
He would be laughed in the face by people in his own camp.
Snakes don't talk...
What we know, the Bible is not the word of any gods, the older versions tell the stories different, translate things differently, and even imply multiple gods.
The current doesn't imply multiple gods, it flat out states them in genesis...
ALL ‘Gods’ are made up by MAN!!!!! That is why there are so many of them, ALL thought up by MAN!!!!!
Infallible? So when there are 4 different versions of 'Jesus's last words' in the different gospels, they cannot All be correct, right? But they Can all be wrong.
And obviously we don't have to prove the bible is incorrect, theists have to prove it Is correct....
So show me external evidence that the claimed god is real......
I have found that the people that make these claims are the most dishonest. It is pointless talking to them because even when it's wrong it's right.
Them: Provide one example of evidence the proves the flood.
Charles: It's all over the world.
Them: Provide one example of evidence the proves the flood.
Charles: It's all over the world.
Also: They ask for x amount of time of uninterrupted talk, only to say something either bullshit, or just a strawman, then complain when they're interrupted...
So then we do live under a dome that has water above it? Smh
Poor Charles. I get it man, hes never been challenged on his beliefs. Had I not been forced to challenge my own I would be in the same boat. His arguments only work in Sunday school.
In Matthew 15-16, Jesus and his disciples have the Passover dinner, AFTER which he is betrayed, taken into custody, tortured, and the next morning put to death. In John 19 it specifically says that Jesus was crucified the morning BEFORE the Passover dinner. So, which was it?
So basically Jesus lied because they couldn’t conceive of something being smaller than a mustard seed?. Which would still make the bible incorrect.
How about Jesus saying there are tiny creatures that we cannot see with the naked eye. That cause diseases and all you have to do is wash your hands more often.
The bible says you should wash your hands and feet before praying or entering temple. But Jesus was chastised by the Pharisees for letting his disciples eat without washing their hands first in the tradition of their elders.
Jesus said it is not what goes into your mouth that defiles you, but what comes out.
So Jesus is seemingly promoting not washing your hands before eating. Even though it was tradition for the Jews.
Yeah, and his response was literally 'whatever'....... just goes to show how stupid this was
I think this whole call coulda been summed up in “not being able to prove something wrong isn’t the same as proving it right” Right?
I know that there's a delay usually, but one of my biggest pet peeves are when a caller is constantly trying to talk when the hosts, you know, the people who are directing where conversations are supposed to go because it's their show, are trying to navigate the conversation. They act like it's their right to be on the show. You callers: You're guests! If Secular Rarity or Dr. Ben were calling into a theist show, I would imagine that they would show respect.
”The bible is perfect”
”But what about this then?”
”Well that that and that…”
Charles has obviously never read a book on astronomy.
The Pleiades is not a constellation but an open cluster of stars within the constellation of Taurus. They are about 444 light years away from the Earth and are contained within a reflection nebula that has a diameter of about 15.5 light years. They are about 50 million years old which makes them mere babies in galactic terms.
Far from being fixed, the stars in the cluster will, over time, disperse throughout the galaxy. This is due to gravitational disturbances, that will effect each sibling star slightly differently, as the stars orbit around the galactic centre. The Pleiades has, so far, only completed about a quarter of its first galactic orbit and so its stars are still very close together.
The Sun was born in a similar nebula about 4.6 billion years ago meaning that it has completed 21 orbits of the galactic centre and its sibling stars are now strewn throughout the galaxy. For instance, the Sun has a twin star called HD186302 now located 184 light years away in the constellation Pavo. These two siblings, that were born close together, have drifted apart by about 9 light years for every completed orbit of the galaxy.
Something else that the Bible got completely wrong.
Dude, way more information than I expected to learn here, and it makes me giddy. Thanks.
Absolutely garbage logic. Starting from the end is just so stupid.
Consistency in the Bible =
OLD TESTAMENT: "An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth."
NEW TESTAMENT: "Turn the other cheek."
Darn it thought I subbed oh well subbed now.
Dude, you have a book of stories told by humans, written by humans, edited by humans, translated by humans and distributed by humans. Where is an extant god in all this human activity?
Scholars have been trying to prove the bible wrong...but my faith tells me the bible is right regardless of what they come up with.
Too bad Charles just can't answer honestly. He gets backed into a corner and starts flip flopping like a fish out of water. Sad. Thank you for challenging this guys beliefs.
Secular & Ben, you did a masterful job of proving your point. I applaud you.
“The Bible is 100% true, not a single false statement!”
“Okay what about the mustard seed?”
“Now let me massage and milk this verse to fit my narrative.”