Is Wolfgang's rework Good or Bad?
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- čas přidán 10. 12. 2021
- The new don't starve together beta is here and it gave Wolfgang some interesting changes. Here are my thoughts on this
original post : forums.kleientertainment.com/...
Wolfgang rework info thread : forums.kleientertainment.com/... - Hry
Finally, the golden version of a tool is actually realistic
We need a golden spider 🕸️🕷🕷🕷🕸️
@@Goofy90 teach me the ways of the spooder
Well in my opinion a pickaxe made out of flint is less durable in real life too
@@CrusadingBacon167 as a Webber main I can tell you we have an advanced set of principals that you will need to learn to learn the way of the spider.
@@nom1489 i am ready for my first lesson, i have cleared my mind. the spooder blood courses through my veins
4:28 i love how the spider got scared that he only did 1 damage to wolfgang
crap should not have gotten myself into this
Galand vs escanor recreated
that's kind of a cool idea they could maybe implement somewhere for some character- enemies actually fleeing when their attacks are worthless XD
@@outseeker I mean, they do go away after hitting you few times if you use snurtle shell
I think reworked wolfgang is fine, played him for 10 hours today; I only missed the speed bonus in the first 20 days
It never made sense that he got a speed boost anyway, he's a strongman not the Hulk. I think this refresh is prefect
Sounds about right
Does that mean new all bosses run coming out 👀
@@Blucario90 only after you watch all of orange man's videos twice
I went to your stream during the first few and only heard negative opinions so i couldn't keep watching. But ig him being nerfed sure sparked anger in many players
To be honest this is really cool, it makes me actually interested in playing him because before he just didn’t appeal to to me being a straight up busted food goblin but I love the idea of having to work out, and also all the passive strongman buffs. I cannot stand having my speed hindered by the marble suit and piggy back so those buffs make them VERY appealing to me now.
Before: The Gorge
After: The Forge
@@federicorodriguez451 couldn’t have said it better myself
@@federicorodriguez451 this made my day
I really liked using the piggyback before this update so this just makes it better
I literally never used Wolfgang for the same reason no matter how powerful he may have been. Now? I'd totally use him. I'd much rather him as he is than how he was, they did a great job with this update.
Besides, you can always still use a walking cane for speed and when you've spent time playing characters that either don't have a speed bonus or you just barely used it, you're pretty much already used to regular speeds. I was worried about his rework having not even played him before, but now he sounds even more appealing and manageable.
Finally, the marble suit isn’t just for tanking a few specific bosses anymore. Long live Wolfgang!
The fuck, didn't expect to see you here. Love the vids
@@xxDrone95 thx, fun fact I’m a big Don’t Starve fan!
Fun fact: Originally, the boss statues used boss drops, now they only require cut stone/marble.
The fact that I didn't know this says a lot about how often I make statues
Yeah it was pretty terrible, other than Moose you'd just rather have the actual item. Trading in your eyebrella making spring exponentially harder to get a deerclops figure was not worth it
@@SirToastyToes could you imagine if it was kept the same for bosses like celestial champion and stuff imagine doing all the prep and fight only to use the enlightened crown for a statue
@@SirToastyToes even then only one of you had an easier spring. Everyone else is running from tree to tree while one dude got an eyebrella
@@grandmagunsales2125 Don't Forget Pretty Parasol,Umbrella,Rain Coat,Rain hat,Miner hat and Football Helm to get 100% water resistance
I was impressed by some of the new features but The piggy bag truly made me smile :)
I'm pretty sure u were faster before
Local Wolfgang destroyed and stole Pigman houses and their butts
@_ Greed you were 5% slower as mighty before or more slower I believe
@@mike8594 wolf had 25% speed bonus I'm pretty sure at max hunger before so he was 10% faster than he is now with piggy
Just wanna say I really appreciate the positive out-look on the rework. It's nice to see a DST youtuber provide another perspective on the update instead of claiming the update is supposedly tedious or the such. I'm really enjoying the update conceptually so far and I can't wait to see it reach it's full potential soon. Having constant values instead of linear scaling is insanely awesome!
Glad to know that Edgy Rick isn't here to watch this.
I really like the update I think it makes him more powerful and I never really cared about the speed buff
@@asciiftw3632 Same
@@asciiftw3632 If he wasnt some Conspiranoic Chinese obssesed Person, he probably would've quit dst anyways Just because of this update
@@asciiftw3632 Good thing Edgy Rick is just... wait wtf is his content, how has it gotten worse
Tossing dumbbells better stay a thing.
To complete the info:
- Excercising costs hunger depending on how heavy the stuff is
- Throwing or attacking with dumbells is a waste of durability (10%/5%/5%)
- Wimpy recieves 20% more damage
- Wimpy subtracts 60 winter/summer insulation from his clothes
- Mighty has 60 insulation by default
- All characters now carry heavy objects with 30% of normal speed (wolfgang does 60%)
- You can only deconstruct potato sacks, which gives you potatoes duh
- Wolfgang looses more sanity from darkness and shadows than before, unless he's close to other players
Eh the dumbell you start with is so useless might aswell use It for getting the attention of coalaphants to save some time chasing Them
Throwing dumbbells may not be a good way to use their durability, but it IS very funny.
I mean, gold is so easy to get and the basic dumbbell is so useless that you might as well bonk someone with it.
You're right, you can throw the basic dumbell since it's basically a cheaper boomerang! I just meant to say that if you wanted to get the best out of dumbells (at least the gold and gem ones) using them in other ways isn't that great.
@@filipsperl 👍
He now has actual progression
Webber gets better spider as he progresses
Wanda gets more clocks and better ways to travel
Wendy gets buffs for abby
Wigfrid gets more hp regen per hit more weapon durability etc
And so on
Wolfgang had nothing and now he has more ways to keep his mightyness up my one consern is that other than the boss statue the rest can be easily achieved in the first few days
You can use the sus marbles as weights, but they aren't as good
"Local Wolfgang carries dead horse around for the sake of a workout"
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Wolfgang in a world he is a real hog, he just steals your meatballs and hogs all the food to rush the ruins and basically is all by himself, something that isn't really cooperative in a coop game, so this refresh is really well developed for that, making wolfgang a proud communist and not a greddy capitalist
Yes. I love this view of it lol. He can be his true potato loving communist self.
I mean, they didn't change that lol
@@douglass.carvalho5 They definitely did. He doesn't consume 3x hunger in mighty form anymore. Just his normal 1.5x
Just because this game is co-op doesn't mean every character has to revolve around co-op not everyone plays with people on this game
@@misters.3234 just because you dont have friends doesnt mean everyone is same. wolfgang was a boring character with nothing to add to the team
I always thought that Wolfgang was way too simple and easy for his ridiculously good upsides. Extra hunger drain for ridiculous damage, extremely high health, and a speed boost. This new rework gives return on damage, has more in-depth mechanics, and lots of unique strong man features. Rework ftw.
to be fair, food was never an issue in this game
@@wrathybear Under that light, the best upsides around for a negligible downside! Rework all the way
it'd be nice if anyone else can also use the gym, but for a little buff, not 2x like wg
cuz every character specific item should also benefits the team
Yeah!
Dont tell me grannay Wanda can lift like Arnold Swarxheneger or wtv
@@taleundere2610 staying fit at the age of 85
@@RandomGuy0. Everyone watch!Wanda will deadlift 5000 pounds
@@taleundere2610 I'll get the stack of popcorn
I really like this rework actually. It basically makes wolfgang a lot more powerful in the late game but a bit more challenging in the early game
How exactly does the rework make him more challenging in the early game? Standing around waiting for a meter to go up to have constant 2x damage is more challenging than managing your hunger and constantly staying at 300?
I also don't get how it makes him lot more powerful
@@Zayne285 “managing your hunger” food is so easy to get in the game that managing your hunger isn’t even a issue lmao
@@Kelly-ju7nx you're right. but only experienced players know how to constantly have enough food to stay mighty 24/7 as well as topping off your hunger DURING boss fights to stay at 2x damage.
The rework just straight up lowers the skill ceiling because now you just stand around doing nothing to get constant 2x damage. If it was already easy then they made it even easier.
Wolfgang was one of the least played characters so I've no doubt they did this on purpose to make him attractive to newer players
@@Zayne285 topping your hunger off during boss fights wasn’t that hard either. Carrots, juicy berries, potatoes, or even stone fruit have decent hunger and fast animations that can be used during boss fights if you don’t like the meat animation. Also I see nothing wrong with making a character more palatable for new players
I gotta agree with you. I was worried when I saw the basic description on steam, but you've help me to think it over a bit more. Thanks for that.
While the speed boost will be thoroughly missed i think its the right choice for balance.
It just pushed wolfgang from being the best in combat to being the best at almost everything.
Gathering? Exploring? just pick wolfgang, hes 25% faster.
if you have enough food for constant 25% bonus
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 You'll find food 25% more often though and even if it is just a short burst... you still end up doing it faster.
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 cmon dude, its not that hard to get food in this game, you can easily have full hunger all the time with bacons and meatballs. All the wolfgangs i have seen are always at full speed full mighty because of that
The only thing i cared about in Wolfgang's rework is him becoming more interesting then eat stuff be buff, so rework is great
Same, it was the only thing holding me back from playing as him. Sure first winter may be difficult but after killing clops you can always stay buff
@@mr.thomaswaffles6700 Like you wouldn't always stay buff before deerclops. The gym is slower, not weaker
True, although I do miss _EAT STUFF BE BUFF_ as a literal strategy
I think the rework makes him weaker at just rushing bosses, which is a lot of the time I've seen people play him. But it makes him a more interesting and fun character to actually play long term, and I definitely prefer that to just being good at killing stuff. He's a strongman, not a warrior
Good way to put it
Yeah. We have Wigfrid for fighting. I like how they're differentiating Wolfgang from her with these strongman abilities.
@@Drekromancer they are in the same spot they were before the Rework, what are you talking about..? All this Rework did was take his speed..he still has more dmg..except now he can use a piggyback and marblesuit. If anything it made them more similar
@@Awesum Wolfgang actually does some stuff better now, like chopping trees or destroying rocks, and he still keeps the fighting bonus. Along with the utility of faster sailing and being able to run at normal speed with the piggy back and marble armor.
I really appreciate your positivity instead of seeing the new changes and immediately disregarding the entire character
I've never liked playing Wolfgang much before, and I was groaning at the thought of yet another character with craftable items and a meter, but this looks genuinely fun and enjoyable to play
I love how the rework it's exatcly my suggestion about how wolfgang should work in DST it's literraly the same. I'm glad Klei really listen to players feedback even if take years :v this rework is perfection.
i would love to see edgy ricks reaction to this
Meh, I think we should stop caring about an obvious troll's opinion.
"pick one"
He quit
@@kemalatakankrca5608 wow, hateful much?
@Yoshikage Kira I don't see a problem for hating on an extremely self-righteous dude
This actually makes me want to play this character alot more, however it seems likke they are having the same issue as with the last character rework. They forot about the "together" part of the update, How does this make him a character people would want to team with.
He needs way less food to use his strength, so I think he is more team oriented now. Previously Wolfgang players would just expect others to keep them mighty and then fight like a single spider and say they contributed. Especially on public servers 😂
The same reason why a D&D party would want a barbarian; strength and constitution. Wolfgang can deal consistent damage while still being a front line tank. this goes together still with everyone. the only difference to before is WG is less of a food goblin raiding people's fridges and causing issues.
You still need a good amount of food to keep him strong and the fact is that he dosn't take away from other characters. he's just a great character that can deal with bosses while still being adequate at fighting normal monsters. you now have something to do at night when your not exploring which is getting STRONK!
Carrying things is a pretty big one. Having a Walter/Wolfgang to cut down on heavy item carrying is very nice
@@Xeldren1 Whille i agree that he is now a great overall tank character, If we look at my main (wifrid), after her refresh she was given a community buff with her songs. Shes still a great tank, but now also provides a boost to those around her.
Maybe if WG can allow others to use his workout stuff? Give the rest of the party a temp boost in str if they use it, or allow a tredmill to be build to buff the speed stat temp? Just ideas but i def still think they need to give something to the party.
@@torirox011 Wolfgang becomes a coach
I love the gym just because it gives something else that Wolfgang can do, I really want to see more character-specific actions like this in the future - it really helps brings more life to the camp rather than everyone just standing around aimlessly
imagining the dst gang just stands around waiting for sunrise before doing their daily activities again is still funny to me though.
I agree. I'm playing Wolfgang in my current save - I love that at night, I eat and then have my workout routine. It gives me something to do and really does add life to the group.
I can't wait for the dumbbell only runs
Great analysis!! Now I'm really excited to try it out myself!
did you play it?
I didn't know all of this. This rework is much better than his old version!
This looks like a Wolfgang that I'd actually be interested in playing now
gotta say, there's something about this video that makes it better than what you usually make, it just feels so satisfying to watch i keep coming back to rewatch it but i can't touch on why, keep up the great work your videos are amazing!
He got a re-work, NICE
It's good because he's no longer the speedrunner's main.
yes he is
but now there is some point of choosing someone else
Now Wes is, with speed balloons (:
@@zurcus7224 of course
@@zurcus7224 What about the item deficiency of use, and weaker, and insanity hits alot so more fighting shadow creatures?
r/woooosh
Basically they reworked his speed into a different kind of speed. The speed that would have been just direct speed is now speedier heavy items, like marble suits, piggybacks, suspicious marbles, etc. He's still fast, just a different kind of fast!
as a wolfgang main, I love this, as the marble suit used to be usless. now, it's better than a football hemlet
I like this is simple and completely in theme, having time 2 damage uptime for longer is a boon the speed lost is nothing when you see that you keep your speed while using a marble suit and an early 12 slot back pack with 0 downsides
2:10 "It sounds expensive"
* Laughs in Varg Farm *
Damn you winona
Isn't it a purple gem tho?
@@hajimehinata5854 you can craft it with red and blue gems
@@GreedyGabriel Ooh yeaaaaaaah i forgot about the refining tab
I really like this change, just want more interactable equipments, also really stocked to see wolfgang lore animation
actually what about adding a treadmill/funny running circle, that other survivors can use to get back his speed boost but having the speed boost and strength will make hunger go down super fast
(one or the other and if you have both get increased hunger drain
other survivors can ONLY use the treadmill for the boost so no strength)
That’s a GREAT idea!
thank you notgabriel
2 vids within the hour? 👀👀
the fact that mighty bar says up for a whole ass day instead of 30 damn seconds into a fight is amazing to me wolfgang is one character i never really wanted to play but i can actually see myself playing him now hes just way less grindy now
Yo thanks for this! At first i thought it was just a straight nerf but now im actually digging it! It adds both lore and a few cool mechanics which is neat. Plus the whole "No piggy back speed debuff" Is awesome. Great vid!
I always wondered why tf he was unable yo carry marble statues when mighty, this is such a Nice rework!!!
Probably one of the best reworks we got so far!
Simple and in theme I like it
@@DonPetexX same
the marble armor thing is almost broken, worth the trade for speed buff removal
tbh i think the rework fits, though i am sad to see the speed buff going away i feel like being consistent was a much better upside, you move consistently, no matter what, that fits the character and i'd rather it be that way, never played the character that much but this is relatively balanced for a character thats easy to forget how broken he is when given the right stuff
Don't forget that Wes can give movement speed balloons aswell!
wes has no place in this game. :D
Wow two videos in one day! OrangE man is very kind for us today.
Before: The Gorge
After: The Forge
The golden dumbbell reminded me of a fun fact:
Gold isn't a hard metal and is quite soft as you know, but that trade off in hardness goes in toughness. A gold tool in real life would be less efficient, but *more* durable. So technically all the gold tools hold some truth.
Very nice job done by Klei once again. If you want to be faster with him early you have Ruins rush and/or Beefalos.
why ruins rush?
@@hajimehinata5854 thulecite club or a chance for lazy explorer
Wolfgang actually didn't lose much of his speed. Old Wolfgang had to wear armor + milk hat or helmet + hunger belt. New Wolfgang can wear helmet + Magiluminescence, which gives 20% speed boost.
Literally no Wolfgang player has ever used the milk hat or belt of hunger because it's pointless if you know how to manage his hunger and constantly top it off, even during the kiting patterns of bosses. This rework is just lowering his skill ceiling unfortunately
I don't think anyone has ever used milk hat, hunger belt. I used magi
@@Zayne285 It makes a character more casual and team-orientated for a long-term world (of which the majority of the playerbase actually does) in a multiplayer game? GASP! The blasphemy!
yeah throwing the dumbbells at people and monsters is pretty epic
im unraveling my wolfgang skins
I watched the video, im buying them back from the shop
Character arc
mhm
People realizing Orange posted twice in one day: impossible
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OrangE Eats Fruit.
OrangE Eats Meat.
OrangE Eats Animals.
OrangE Is Desperate.
OrangE Eats Seeds.
OrangE Eats Rot.
OrangE Starts to Starve.
OrangE Eats People.
OrangE is in the Bushes.
OrangE sees his Next Meal.
OrangE goes for The Kill.
You take your Final Breath.
Now, OrangE Eats You.
*insert jump scare
Edit: and worst of all, OrangE Eats Orange.
Removal of the speed is IMO a good thing to balance him out. He feels like a more focused version of his original design, his _core_ of dealing the most damage out of everyone is better than ever, he has a few extra bonuses that help him feel different, _and_ with the speed getting cut out he's no longer as universally combat dominant, making a little room for the other combat centric characters. Very well executed rework.
I like that you picked Summer Jobs as a background for this video, honestly, I think Summer Jobs is something like our Russian Bear's theme.
I'm happy they are taking away the speed buff... it was way too good, getting a speed buff on top of everything else by just eating food while the other characters need to wear items, usually expensive ones. Standing still lifting dumbbells it's gonna get old real fast though, I hope they implement different ways to gain mightiness.
I wish Mighty had a different attack animation to emphasize the power behind each strike
He also gets mighty with working (chopping, mining, hammering, etc)
this video got released on by birthday and its a really good present!
You get two
@@orangedontstarve And there amazing videos!
Oh my god! They made Wolfgang an actually REAL person, I mean they made him more realistic, still sad that he isnt the demonslayer he was, the gym and dumbell are interesting.
you've changed my view on the rework
thank you orange man
rook on top
Wolfgang mains : noooooo they nerfed Wolfgang he is trash now T_T
Me a Wigfrid enjoyer : hehe best girl goes tank :D
average "f" fan?
It was very good!!!
Look on the bright side, he lasts a lot, he farms bird / meat / feather throwing weight on them kkkkkkkkk carries heavy stuff fast xD}
Besides, he can use marble suit and piggypack without movement penalty.
@@Digii62 yeah i like this update :) i wrote that comment just for the meme lol
I was really hoping that the marble suit/piggyback would work without penalty-- I'm glad they did that. He really could be the team tank now.
Maintaining mightness became more easy and boring. Before it's urged me being active and kill everything that i see (mostly spiders and eat cooked monster meat) or going for lichen in ruins.
thanks god there is at least 1 dst content maker whos smart. gg orange.
They put a lot of thought into it. Got something nice out of it!
It does make sense, especially his speed, since wolfgang has strong upper body strength
This rework honestly makes more sence to me, and since most other characters have some niche ways to get their power spikes I really like his workout addition
I love how you used boat crash screen
They honestly made him more understandable and less gimmicky
Time to install a gym by the fuelweaver so you can use bosses to pump some muscle before muscling a boss.
Maybe they should add a feature where if you do a heavy work like mining rock and cutting tree(not picking grass or stick),it can also make your mighty meter goes up.
Wolfgang was a powerlifter before the constant, so it makes sense that he would incorporate that into his new life.
A dst CZcamsr that doesn’t just get pissed at every rework? Impossible
I have never played this game and that sounds like the best trade deal in the history of trade deals
Wolfgang was already my go-to character for playing alone, but I never could really enjoy the end game stuff like killing the dragonfly. Now, he's an ever more viable option. Let's get to work!
i tried the update but didnt knew half of the stuff so, i know what main im becoming for a while
Speed removal was very needed for balance. It doesnt even make sens that the big goon is the fastest
Wolfgang is here to
PUMP YOU UP!
I'm not a DST pro or anything so I might be missing something but this only seems like straight buffs to me. I'm very interested in playing this rework
I can't wait to see wolfgang's rework trailer.
After this video I'm actually excited for the rework
Considering looking at Wolfgang work out makes me hear the song "you got that" and makes me want to work out while the only other form of entertainment to do that was dragon Ball z, I would say that this was a very positive change indeed
I completly agree with you. Nice job
I think instead of doing exersize and weight lifting should have been the same mighty but actually gain it from doing physical activities like chopping and mining so he cant just be staying at base waiting for wicker and webber comes back with food.
Right now the base staying camping combat wolfgang problem still exists, and instead of lifting weights it should be investing time into actual utility
Realistically, the devs can only do so much to force people to play fair without literally ruining the fun of the game.
If you play with other people, you're accepting to a degree that some of those people are going to suck. If you don't like that, either play with people you know or play single player. That's what I do.
I don't dislike the rework, but i wish there was an option to gain might quickly like a somewhat expensive consumable or something.
looks like a super fun update!
Well I used to be a Wigfred main because only being able to eat meat was more fun than just eating more food. I like the changes to Wolfgang and I think I will play him now.
I've just started to play this game, and while I have no idea of the DS "Meta" or how most mechanics work in practice, in concept, this change just seems proper.
Just carry a marble everywhere you go and never run out of mightieness
Now he's realistic, and even more fun to play now!
4:58
*sad speedy balloon noises*
I knew I forgot someone
I'd say that the new Wolfgang is objectively better excluding Mighty form speed. So long as you stay swole and well fed you are playing easy mode.
I think that the removal of speed modifiers is better, since no longer have to suffer with slow speed if you're (somehow) stuck with wimpy form
I don’t really play Wolfgang, but o boi! New update!
I mean, it's not that bad. Stoping few minutes maybe while waiting for the night to pass or just don't know what to do. But yeah it's tedious. I tried Wolfgang in my new server today. But it's better compare to keep hunting for keeping his mighty form
i finally dont have to lock the frindge
Only thing I really used him for was the speed bonus; damage was never a issue