Why Have Brazil Stopped Winning Everything?
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- čas přidán 2. 09. 2023
- Brazil are the most successful and iconic national football team in the world, having won a record five FIFA World Cups in the men's game, and boasting legends of the game like Pelé, Zico, and Ronaldo.
Since winning their last World Cup in 2002 though, Brazil have reached just one semi-final on home soil in 2014, where they lost 7-1 against Germany, and have been sent packing in the quarter finals at every other tournament.
In this documentary, HITC Sevens takes a look at the demise of Brazil's national team, the state of domestic football in Brasil as a whole, and attempts to answer the question of why Brazil have stopped winning everything.
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I think Brazil has started to develop what we called "La mochila" in Argentina, essentially the players are starting to feel the pressure of not winning a World Cup for 20 years. The new generations lack the mentality to overcome that pressure and they crumble under it, even when they are technically some of the most gifted players in the world. It took 36 years for us to shake that off and finally get a generation of players that would compliment some of our more talented veterans to essentially win anything that could be won. It takes time, but Brazil, being Brazil, will win again and in some fashion, I'm sure of it.
your English is immaculate and you are a true football fan, I salute you sir
In Argentine Spanish does "mochila" mean backpack & bag or is it something else?
@@edo-sanyes backpack as in pressure is on your shoulders
This is the perfect Explanation for it....and Exacly what i have been saying for a while.
is it the mochila that is also responsible for argentina being bankrupt and a failed country ?
As a Brazilian, I think that a very important aspect of the fact that we don't win anymore is that our playstyle is increasingly becoming more rigid and extremely tactical to mirror Europe playstyle, but this is something that the europeans are good at, not the brazilians. Brazil has always been strong when it had more fluidity and collective creativity and this has been controlled and discouraged by the latest coaches.
It's more simpler than that. The prior Brazil teams were made up of the poor, more athletically gifted players. The mentality formed under immense pressure plus the skills and the athletic prowess made them unstoppable. Now the best player is Neymar who whilst skilful is very lightweight and would've been a peripheral winger in the 2002 team
Well they are gen z players that train mostly on video games, and rather do tiktok dances on fields, propaganda boys displaying different hairstyles and tatoos, a lost partying generation.
You are not winning anything, because your players are immature. Every player is coming from your country is running either to money or showboating. Your players are focused on doing one match wonder rather than being consistent. Just don't blame European football.
@@ayanbarua2400 "don't blame European football "
holy... amazing interpretation skills 🤣
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"Every player is coming from your country is running either to money or showboating"
Why is Brazil the country with most exported players then? If that is how you see, why europeans keeping buying then?
If you see EVERY player like, why they keep buying them? Are ALL managers from europeans leagues stupid?
The brazilian league is becoming more globalized than ever actually, never before we have seen as many different nationalities playing the Brasileirão.
Its a global world
Be careful or you might end up like Liga MX in that regard where some teams are more Sudaca than Mexican
From a Brazilian, this is a brilliant analysis and it surprises me how much knowledge and insight you have into Brazilian football. Well done!
Brazil went 24 yrs between 1970 and 1994 without even making the WC Semis...so I guess they are due in 2026.
I personally don't think they are now eternally doomed to never win it again. Argentina finally broke their own drought just last year and I think soon enough, Brazil will be back.
It's just a dry spell...every great WC country has had one with even Germany finally falling into one
Brazilian style of play has changed they now play like Europeans. They're youngsters are not as good as the old generation
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@@alpFiLa I think one of the reasons is that certain young players are lacking in experience, so they’re not very tactical and therefore have to make up for it with skills and tricks. Back in their golden era, Brazilian legends were not only skillful, but very tactical and adept at opening paths to goal.
what? They literally made the semis in 74 and 78, they went out umbeaten in the quarters in 86 and frankly the true final in 82 was their game against Italy so yeah they finished fifth because of the draw. We gotta be honest analysing the torunaments, it's a month long torunament, in 1990 Brazil were a top 4 team as well but coz Argentina was awful in the group stage they faced each other in the round of 16, a match were Brazil dominated and lost 1-0 as it happens so much in football. Literally the only time they were outside of the quarters in the last 50+ years, they are also leading their group in each of the past 11 WCs, no other nation has a streak of even 4 and are the only nation not to be eliminated in the group stage this century. I simply think modern football is more umpredictable and as world cups are decided in one off matches, Brazil having a bit less talent than before and playing too robotic (meaning they are solid but less brazilian if you will) hurts their chances to kill a match
24 is a magic number ask Germany
Just a small correction, nobody in Brazil calls football "jogo bonito" (the "beautiful game). This comes from a Nike ad from the 2000's. The closest I know is when there was a lot of talk about "art football" in the 80's.
After the defeats in the 80s of the "art football" under the command of coach Telê Santana, the watchword became the so-called "football of results", in the world cups of 90 and 94 (which worked in 94).
By the way, a small point that may be interesting to add, beyond the fact that the players were idols of their clubs in Brazil, people fondly remember the 82 team for the group that it was, while people remember the 2002 team only for the players, individual names, not for the team in general.
At the turn of the 90s to the 2000s, I remember me saying that it was no longer a Brazilian team, but a European team of Brazilians, because the best players were in Europe. I had a problem with that because it wasn't as easy to watch European football matches as it is today, so they weren't as familiar to me as the players of the 80's were.
And last, an idea I have in my head, I think there are two forces that act on Brazilian football:
1. Football as business - the most modern football has huge investments and sponsors. The more you advance in the competition, the more the thing is profitable. Hence comes a quest for efficiency and and a different celebration for victory.
2. Football as culture - this is the source of individual talents emerging as players, and the fans' desire to see football with identity. But today it is hard to fit into football what Sócrates, captain of Brazil in 1982 said: "enjoy football, winning or losing" - which comes from a more romantic era that no longer exists in today's reality of football as a money machine.
As an old fan, I feel nostalgic, but still curious to see what paths football takes over time. After all, football is still a great excuse to get friends together, get drunk and have little heart attacks for 90 minutes. 😄🍺⚽
Erm, I've read books and commentary going back to the 1980's referring to jogo bonito.
Books and commentary don't reflect how people in Brazil see their own football style and tradition, as I've been told. Pelé mentioned jogo bonito back in the day but that was several decades ago. Being from Argentina and having known and talked to lots of Brazilians, I'd say jogo bonito isn't a thing to them. Like us, they simply speak of football. In the same note, nobody speaks of "la nuestra" in Argentina, as I've seen some youtubers claim, especially English speakers.
na década de70 sim chamavam jogo bonito..... a Nike simplesmente recuperou esse "slogan"... a própria autobiografia do Pelé do final dos anos 70 chamava a minha vida e o jogo bonito..... teve nova versaõ nos anos 2000 somente chamado minha vida....... eu mesmo li na na metade dos anos 90 um livro sobre a seleção de 70 que chamada jogo bonito..... esses livros sao tao raros que nem na internet voce consegue achar...
Best comment here. Tele Santana achieved a zenith of football with Brazil'82. Would love to see that kind of play again. Don't this over the top fast and physical modern football. The creativity is quite lost.
Perfeito!
As a Brazilian, thank you for doing this video. It has been extremely painful to see Brazil elimination from the last couple world cups.
No te preocupes argentina estuvo mucho peor incluso perdía finales y finales que dolieron, pero llegó los frutos, ahora solo les toca a ustedes pero dejen la fiesta
@@saredodevilGracias hermano, nosotros vamos luchar! 😢 Gracias! #RumoaoHEXA , se possible.
@@ClaudioTECH_T si, pero la verdad Brasil no está tan mal
@@saredodevil Na verdad, por su últimos partidos, + o -.
Romario & Bebeto are two of the legends from my era as a kid. It’s crazy to see that raw Brazilian playing style & flair slowly diminish.
I know it’s due to a lot of Brazilian players playing in Europe but hopefully their style of football is preserved. It really was a marvel to behold.
Yep, you look at Richarlison scoring record, he has 4 goals for Spurs in 40 games! and only about 50 goals for Everton in 150 games! How come a country who produced players like Romario, Bebeto, Pele, Garincha, Ronaldo, Rivaldo , Ronaldinho, Adriano, Robinho, Luis Fabiano would end up using striker of average quality?
Brazil was so good back in 1994-2002, even me who doesnt support Brazil enjoyed watching them!
@@robnhood1416 But he scored 21 in 40 games for Brazil which is better. Frankly european players and coaches can't synergize properly with Brazilian style so Brazilians players play an artificial version of their football while in Europe
@@PimentelES yea, thats part of the problem aswell. I still think serie A & la liga fits them more than EPL, particularly for Brazillian strikers.
Robinho's career was never the same after he moved to City.
@@robnhood1416 True, Robinho lost his edge. Ronaldo & Ronaldinho played in both of those leagues & never lost any of that Brazilian flair
@@GullyFootTony La liga and Serie A has always been more technical but less physical which is better for technically gifted player. South American players usually fits better in those two leagues. R9 and Ronaldinho won Balon when they played in serie A and La liga respectively, so does Messi & Kaka etc.
Tevez for example, was able to adapt to English football but he ended up losing his link-up play in the national team.
The last time Brazil was exciting to watch would be in Adriano-Kaka-Ronaldinho era. Freekick goal, team goal, rocket shot, they got it all.
I agree that Brazil’s football is being deteriorated over the years, but I would just point out that the Brasileirão’s level is actually slowly getting better after reaching an all-time low in the mid 2010s. Now, Palmeiras and Flamengo have been able to maintain and improve very competitive teams over the last years, and a fair few very good players (Suárez, Fernandinho, Hulk and James, for exemple) have recently signed for Brazilian teams. Also, the last three Libertadores finals have been between Brazilian teams and the semifinals this year feature 3 out of 4. So, although the league’s level isn’t anywhere near as good as before, there’s still a light at the end of the tunnel
James is a former footballer. Technically, still as gifted as ever but he just doesn't care about football. He should be a model or a businessman or whatever he wants to do
@@lethargicmosquitoJames has been playing pretty decent though? I don't understand the mass hate for James when anytime he is fit he performs (bar a couple games where he pulls a Casper)
@@deshortyprince10 James is a good player (technically, still one of the best in the world) but he never manages to finish a season at a club for years now.
He had his contract terminated midway through the season by teams from Qatar and Greece(age 30 and 31 respectively, AKA on his supposed prime).
I don't doubt his quality, I doubt his work ethic and commitment to the craft.
He only has stamina for roughly 50-60 minutes per game but then he gets all offended when he's taken out and acts like a diva if he doesn't start.
He's one of football's biggest "what ifs" ever and the only one he has to blame is himself.
I am not speaking out of my ass on this one, he was playing for my club, so I know the player well (Olympiacos)
He is a former footballer, give him time and he will prove that during the season
Such a shame, this guy was so gifted that he should be at the top now, football needs players like James but unfortunately James no longer needs football
The point is Brazil best players don't play in the domestic league anymore more so, the they are majorly playing in the PREMIER LEAGUE
It doesn’t matter , cause they almost never call up player who plays the Brazilian league .. I never understood why , Bruno Henrique (FLA) wasn’t on Tite’s team , for exemple
Interesting points to make from the inside out. In 2010, 2018 and 2022, Brasil's coaches were seen as too European in nature. Tite and Dunga are seen as defensive, and rigid tactically, and often criticized as killing our way of playing.
Also interesting to note is that Brasil's league and Brasilian teams are just as the national team, extremally dominant (in the recent years) in the Continental tournaments. Argentinians, Uruguaians and others are basically begging for FFP like rules to be implemented because Brasilian teams have too much money.
Even so, I would agree with most of the video.
I mean scolari was also very defensive and set up his team very rigidly. Brazil were terrible before the tournament until Ronaldo returned. R9 was a giant that tournament, I don't think any WC performance other than Maradona's comes even close to what he did.
hilarious blaming Europe for Brazil's failures. Europe isnt rigid and defensive, Brazil just dont have good players anymore
Brazil should return to old free style fluid football then
@@laoch5658Brazil has a lot of problems, but the lack of good players definitely is not one of them.
As a millennial I noticed a big change in Brazil's style when Dunga took over. I still love them, but their game changed dramatically! Anyway favorite BRA player is KAKA.
Brazilian here: I think it’s because Brazil began imitating the European style of play, where wingers are practically full backs in large parts of the game, the original talented number 10 vanished and turned into a “modern 8” like a De Bruyne or Kroos kind of player with much more defensive obligations. The academies are focusing more in the physical aspect and winning meaningless trophies other than developing raw talent (Romário for exemple would never grow into a striker nowadays due to his height). That mentality is ruining the roots of Brazilian football who once had Ronaldo, Ronaldinho and Rivaldo IN THE SAME TEAM. If that happened today, they would have to came back and defend at all times while back in the day they had much more freedom to win games against for example much more tactical teams like Germany and Italy purely with their talent. Clubs are now building players to sell them to Europe and make money and not to have the best players in the world.
Facts. The wingers, instead of developing into fullbacks, are all turning into false 9s and inverted wingers. The problem of the number 10s turning into 8s is an issue ensuing not only from European influence but the grimy, results oriented football of the Serie A. A flamboyant number 10 would be superfluous in an efficiency focused, pragmatic team. Thus, to be useful to the team, a number 10 has to master box to box to help in defence. That, plus moving to Europe where a similar mentality exists, leads to the idea of a killer, brilliant number 10 becoming obsolete. Thus, Brazil ends up with lots of false 9s, inverted wingers, number 8s and centre backs and DMs (due to Brasileirão Serie A being full of defensive play). The issue, then, ensues of where will the new fullbacks, pure finishers and flamboyant number 10s come from in such an environment. Smh.
Note that those types missing are the crucial types that made Brasil constant winners. It's a sad reality we're living in, honestly.
The Brasilian Sèrie A is full of teams who play 4-2-2-2. Thus, to be functional to the setup, the No. 10 has to shift to be a part of two No. 8s. Thus, No. 10 will definitely become obsolete.
Brazil need to go back playing their magical football, europeans are boring af, stop imitating them.
in my opinion is more than that. most brazilians go to europe very young and don't have enough experience to play as brazilians and how to win a game instead of being soft. plus, most of the players suffered europeanization, no more flair and freedom to be skillful, everything has to be tactical and robotic, we lost our identity and if we don't play as brazilians we won't ever win another wc. argentina is the best example of this, if u play as u always do, what defines ur football, and have balls to win a match you'll. but our players dont have balls, once they play against mid europeans teams they shake and forget they r brazilians, not europeans. we have talents, we shouldn't be in this situation. brazil is the country that most develop/produces players, every day we see another promising player, but at what cost, if we can't keep them here?! it's shameful to be the country of football and have been 20 years without playing a final, and when we got closer to it we were humiliated playing at our home
I have a question because you would know better than me…. Do you think Ronaldinho and Robinho could have helped Brazil in 2014?
I'm following brazil since the 2010 world cup. I kept track of every brazil sqaud called up, every game played , every Brazilian player in top leagues of europe from 2010. A few things come to mind when talking about the downfall of Brazil.......in my opinion of course
1) The best Brazilian footballers like R9, Ronaldinho, Robinho, Adriano, Kaka doesn't have long careers either because of injury or lack of discipline. All of them peaked around 24-26 then gradually fade away. CR7, Messi, Modric, Giroud , Zlatan all had very long careers. Messi won the WC at 35 .Then there were players like Alexandre Pato, PH Ganso, Lucas Moura, Leandro Damiao, Juan Jesus, Gabriel Barbosa, Phillipe Coutinho who showed great promise but quickly forgotten. Can't forget The great Oscar who went to China at the age of 26. He could have been a great player but he chose money.
2) Between 2010-2020 there wasn't a single player other than Neymar who had any chance of winning the ballon d'or. Many players in attack came and go , only neymar was a constant. He didn't had the help he needed. Stop neymar and you stop Brazil.Brazilian players are no longer the most important or best players in top European teams, may be except vini jr.
3) Brazil have problem in 3 positions - RB, LB and CF.
Gabriel jesus is injury prone and inconsistent and even though Richarlison scores regularly for Brazil , he can't be relied upon in big games. Brazil needs someone like R9 , who can score goals consistently. I really hope Vitor Roque and Endrick fullfill their hype.
For RB and LB brazil had 3-4 players. Not many options. Marcelo, Dani alves , Danilo and Alex Sandro, Renan Lodi.. that's it. I was surprised when Dani Alves was called , wasn't there a single player in the brazil domestic league that you had to call a 39 year old Dani Alves who was playing in mexico. No doubt good player but he was way out of his prime.
Another thing is that Brazil didn't played many games against Top European nations.
Lastly Brazil needs a European coach. Brazilian coaches are outdated in the global stage.
"They have not made the final since 2002 and only past the Quarter Final once since then". They also have made the Quarter Final every time and are the only nation to do so. Their current state is a crisis really only for Brasil. No one else would freak out about that like them.
Definitely the "players aren't playing at home anymore" hurts them. Not only directly, but I suspect the other Comnebol members looking somewhat weak is also due to this. Their National Teams all have to be build from scratch, whereas a lot of the big European nations have their national players knowing each other well from playing in the same league, sometimes even the same club. However, the idea of a lack of competition in South America compared to Europe is probably wrong. European giants also regularly have to play against really weak team like San Marino.
Your argument doesn't make any sense, when you consider the last two world cup winning nations are France and Argentina, two sides who's national team players are spread out the most
@@MONAHAN97Argentina are more used to their players playing abroad. Maradona was in Napoli when they won the World Cup. Messi played for Barcelona. Batistuta spent a lot of his career in Italy.
@@MONAHAN97 Yeah I dont think any of the Argentina squad were actually from Argentinian league teams, were they? Star power travels no matter the country of origin. Hell even Harry Kane left England, and that's the epicenter of the high end club game.
Promethius, how can you be "used" to having your players play abroad? They're all individuals who have the same short shelf life of career. Its not like its an evolved trait or the players learn new traits or anything. All national teams bring their squad together for some qualifiers, where they rarely have the whole squad, and then like 2 months of training spread out across world cup selection. For the vast amount of national sides in the top 25, they have to call a diaspora of players in when they have international matches, and rarely have any chance to play together at all.
Man I remember watching Brazil and the movement and flair as the moment I feel in love with the game. Growing up in the states football wasn't as popular as it is today. I grew up down the street from an older Greek couple id say when I was 8 they were closer to 80. He introduced me to football because we had cable and he didn't so he'd come over to watch the major tournaments like the World Cup. Seeing the style of play in those canary yellow Nike shirts I was hooked. I'm now 33 and love the game as much as I ever have. Thankful that kids state side can just flip on the TV or stream any of the major Euro leagues on the weekend. So happy to see football finally growing here. It really started to catch on in my age group to where if you took 10 kids I'd say it is now a 50/50 split between American football and Football in terms of participation.
As a Brazilian, it's easy for me to say that Football has undergone a great evolution in the tactical part, coaches need to take a higher education in the area, study more and more. Brazilian coaches stopped in time, most of them are former athletes with low education who took a very bad training course offered by the Brazilian confederation (CBF), where they didn't open a single book. In addition, they continue to believe that individual skill trumps tactical schemes. The CBF itself wants a foreign coach because it has already realized that keeping Brazilian coaches is like putting an illiterate person to fly a plane.
@realityfloor9356 it feels like some national managers fall victim to the same trap. The trap that there is a notion that a country is known for playing a specific style and they must stick to that style as opposed to evolving. I think in the current era of football, there is so much pressure put on these national managers because the distribution of talent throughout the world has evolved. Now obviously there are still powerhouse traditional teams whose nation produces more high end talent then others. The gap though has closed a bit and a team like the US or a Morocco will go into a match with nothing to lose and everything to gain. It fosters a pressure packed environment for these nations who really haven't gelled as a team, to somehow navigate through the pressure. A lot of nations are bridging the talent gap as well, maybe not the high end guys, but the over level has increased. So when an England, Germany, or Brazil for example, falter a bit in game these teams are now more equipped to pounce. I think Brazil has suffered from all of this in addition to what you mentioned.
come and watch a football game in Greece my friend, it will be a full circle and you will experience madness like never before. This year would be ideal as the top three Greek clubs all have good teams but personally I'd suggest you go to Thessaloniki and watch an Aris game, the atmosphere is crazy and the fans are class (food and women are top notch as well)
@reggaereee I'm actually Greek lol I've been to Greece twice and absolutely love it. We had family there who unfortunately passed so haven't been back since. I want to take my daughter and fiance though. Just amazing memories there when I was younger. So where I live we have a sizeable population of Greek folks. Mainly with roots back to immigrants looking for work in the steele industry. The community within the Orthodox church here is very close knit. That is how we were so close with the neighbors we just referred to him as Papou lol
It is also the same for Argentina, though now we teach more “European”. It’s is why Van Gaal got along so poorly with Riquelme, Di Maria, etc. Because he didn’t use their best points, creativity, vision, decision making and skill, and instead wanted them to stay in the position he told them to as cogs in the machine.
I think Ancelotti would be a good fit at Brazil. He already coaches vini & rodrygo as well as other Brazilians in the past such as kaka & Marcelo. All players that thrived when given a chance to be creative. Ancelotti likes structure but also understands that world class players are best when given free reign as long as they get the basics done. Hence the memes about Ancelotti and Madrid winning through the power of friendship but I’d say it’s more of just sticking with the basics
Facts. true
look at all World Cup winning teams...NONE of them were coached by foreigner.
@@teguhteguh8834 there’s always a first
I’m from 48 from England 🏴 and I love Brazil 🇧🇷 I remember as a kid crying when they got knocked out of world cups especially when Argentina knocked them out in
1990, best ballers on the planet, haven’t even watched the video yet just see Romario,
What a player he was. Do Brazilian ppl just want to win, or win with a flamboyant style, I think because they come to Europe young it gets coached out of them, Neymer is a last of a dying breed.
We need the sexy in football, not the 2 minute bang on a Saturday in the missionary position.
Complete opposite ...hate them with a passion ....they cheat worse than most Rivaldo ,Neymar etc ....remember them in 74 against the Dutch ...loved it when Italy 82,France 86 France 98 and esp Germans 2014...they wont win it again ....oh and their shitty dancing
Bravo! 👏 👏 👏 👏
It is crazy to think that the actual players in the Brazil squad haven't seen a Brazilian world cup win ! Almost as much as it is to think that your first world cup was 2002...! 😬
Most of them have seen a Brazil World Cup win.
@@SKa-tt9nm I guess anyone around 27 or 28 will remember the 2002 world cup as a memory
@@andrew27yeah might be true , im 25 and don’t remember watching that world cup , my first tournament was the Euro 2004
@@tlfa5554 I'm a bit older but my first world cup I remember watching I was 5 for Italia 90 !
The same happened for all Argentinian players.
As a Brazilian, it is surreal how in touch and on point he always is in representing the ongoing events, historical and current sentiment and mindset of a whole ass different country. Who does he talk to? Let me stress how this is far from common even in journalism, where you'd think professionals would be well informed or at least admit to their ignorance. It astonishes me. He talks about it so casually and accurately like he lived here his whole life. And the analysis in this video is more insightful, pertinent and precise than any I've seen from our own here, on a subject that lives rent-free 24/7 in the minds every Brazilian who keeps up with football (vast majority of 200 million of them). It makes me trust wholeheartedly whenever he's doing the same for a different country I have no context about.
For this and many other reasons he is easily my favorite sports journalist in the world. What a fucking spectacular video.
What a beautiful comment 🥳 You're wholeheartedly right.
Players back then were men and not kids with tattoos, funny haircuts and slim fit jerseys. Bun honestly, if you compare them you notice a big difference in looks and behaviour, they were mentally more composed and mature than players are now. Something changed in brazil and the world during the last 10 to 15 years.
What do expect when bloody Richarlison post cringey TikTok videos and reposts
seen Ronaldo’s haircut?
that's like the biggest myth ever. men back then were not more "manly".
Yep definitely. It's not just Brazil; it's happening all over the world, more so in western countries. I think diet has changed how these young generation look and behave. Testosterone has gone down in many young men for the last 10 years, hence that feminine look that these young men have and why all of them have tattoos to compensate for their lack masculinity.
Bros mad people get tattoos 😂😂
I feel so bad for players such as Kayky, he was offered money and couldn't foresee turning it down, and then he had limited opportunities, went back to Brazil, with Bahia, scored a few phenomenal goals and demonstrated his truly immense talent, he did his ACL. Kayky is such a special player to watch, I hope he can recover.
What a shame he willingly decided to move for money I feel so bad for him if only he had a choice
@@Charlie-gw9zvyou would move for money too. Especially if you came from brazil
@@milagomez55 ok but then if I were to take the money then no one should feel bad for me if things go wrong
@@Charlie-gw9zv felt bad he and others had such poor options
As a Brazilian, it's easy for me to say that Football has undergone a great evolution in the tactical part, coaches need to take a higher education in the area, study more and more. Brazilian coaches stopped in time, most of them are former athletes with low education who took a very bad training course offered by the Brazilian confederation (CBF), where they didn't open a single book. In addition, they continue to believe that individual skill trumps tactical schemes. The CBF itself wants a foreign coach because it has already realized that keeping Brazilian coaches is like putting an illiterate person to fly a plane.
The reason is that Brazilian young stars go to Europe early where they either drift into oblivion or adapt early to European discipline. When they return to the national team, they're no longer capable of playing the relationist style. Players who remain in the home league, are bred with the relationist style but usually lack the caliber.
-- Watched the video and it seems Alfie is saying just that.
Agreed, reckon Brazil need to retain their players in the local league. Perhaps more investment in the Brazil league is needed.
that style of football doesnt work anymore, it was found out.
@@laoch5658prove ?
@@thathandsomedevil0828with corrupted brazil fa ? 😂😂😂
@@1607Adi_Manz Two world cups in the last 60 years, also the lack of success from African teams who have similar natural talent but also lack tactical discipline.
I'm brazilian, first of all, sorry for my poor English. But something that contributed a lot to the decline of Brazil, especially in terms of "getting young players used to the pressure, of decisive games", was the change in the format of the Brasileirão.
In the past, our championship was a real "World Cup", or UCL in Brazil, it was similar to what we see in the Super Bowl in the USA.
Brazil no longer has a 1x1 decision, a final. We started to adopt the running points system, just like the Europeans leagues, and this even affected the way we revealed players. Because here, when coaches like Tite and Muricy emerged, they won the Brasileirão with very poor football, aiming for more marking on the field and playing for 1 goal, and what mattered were the 3 points.A very defensive football, where the biggest concern was just scoring every game
My point is that today's Brasileirão doesn't forge young players who are used to dealing with the pressure of playing decisions games. And when they leave Brazil, they don't know what it's like to play in a Libertadores, and not everyone plays in the decisive stages of a UCL. In the past, Brazil had 3 championships under the "World Cup" format. With grand finales. What forced to have a more offensive football. Today we only have the Copa do Brasil and the state championships.
Since 2003, Brazil adopted the running points. See how many World Cups we've won, and how many stars like Ronaldo and Ronaldinho we've revealed.
"Sorry for my bad english" mf you speak clearer than me 😭😭😭
Falou merda. Ficar em pontos corridos é um atraso absurdo. O futebol talentoso do Brasil tem que triunfar nesse sistema fisico atual. O Fisico e Tatico DESTROI o talento e individual. O talenso hj em dia só consegue sobresair se tiver aliado ao fisico (mbappe, haaland)
Interesting point, never thought about it but I'm not sure how much this explains our drought. For example, from the players who played in the last WC, how many played multiple CL semifinals?
I think Europeans being able to select and produce black heritage players robbed Brazil of one of their biggest advantages of having athletic and skilful players no one could live with. Uruguay won the first 2 world cups because they were the first South American team to have black players, when Brazil at that time only played with European heritage players and actually refused to play Uruguay because they had black players. Brazil has the biggest African heritage population outside of Africa, even Brazilians who appear to look white have some form distant African heritage, like David Luiz due to this. So from the 1950s to the late 1970s where the only large black heritage population country in the World Cup during this period, because US didn’t take football seriously and African teams were not allowed to compete in world cups until the late 1970s. This is period where Brazil won most of their world cups because they were on another level athletically and in skill to the more rigid European teams. The diversity of Brazil gave the team massive advantage all the way the millennia when they won their last World Cup in 2002. After this period European football became more diverse and Brazil lost their diversity advantage they always had.
Look at England where by 2005, most of the elite academies in England were predominantly black boys, especially in London and Birmingham and the black English population have a similar joga Bonita attitude and approach to football as Brazilians and many Black English people would support Brazil before England because they play football black people prefer to watch. So you started seeing more streetballers in the academies in England like Zaha and Sterling and these black players in the academies began to influence how white players began to see and play the game and England goes from having players like no nonsense straight line wingers like Milner to Flair technical players like Saka, Foden, Bellingham, TAA, Eze and Grealish and this happened all over Europe in diverse countries like Belgium, France and Switzerland. Africa doesn’t have the infrastructure or organisation to get the best out their raw talent, but Europe does and this combination led to Europe Surpassing Brazil.
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Yes, because Spain, Italy and Argentina are famous for their Black heritage /s
An incredibly accurate depiction of recent Brazilian team. Perfect. The dependency of Neymar is undeniable. This generation is the most dependent of one player compared to any other Brazilian generation. Not fair on Neymar, who is undeniably one of the best players to ever come out of Brazil.
Also, as you said, the knock out nature of the World Cup also relies on good fortune. Top job!
Neymar is a great actor, no denying that. He does a wonderful job of selling his inside-the-box, never even touched, flopping act to international referees, feigning serious injury until granted a penalty, whereupon he leaps to his feet and takes his penalty kick, which probably accounts for at least 30% of his international test goals.
Simple. Brazil went from Ronaldo/Rivaldo/Ronaldinho/Roberto Carlos/Cafu (Good blend of attackers plus hardworking players) to complete Diva Crybabyplayers like Neymar/Richarlison/Antony while ignoring hardworking teamplayers like Firmino.
it is everithing but simple, firmino wasn't used because Tite had his mind set on his style and in what every player should do, firmino played diferently form what he wanted
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Neymar is not one of those things, stop with your nostalgia. Also Ronaldo and Ronaldinho was 2 of the most unprofessional players of all time, they would never be able to have same lifestyle if they played currently.
@@hoya1178 LMAO. Do you even watch football?
@@cx3929 It's funny that you can't argue against anything I said 😂
Adding up to everything that you brilliantly said there's another point that plays a role in this: Brazil had it's most underachieving generation in history in the past decade. The generation of players born between 1985 and 1995 is packed with extremely talented players that could be world class, but that never achieved the success we expected. The likes of Alexandre Pato, Paulo Henrique Ganso, Lucas Moura, Dedé, Philippe Coutinho, Douglas Costa, Luan and Alex Sandro were looking really promising in the early 2010s. All of them, one way or another, were a disappointment never coming close to the expectations we had for them. If not for that, Neymar would have a few comrades the same age as him to share the responsability and sharing the leading role like the 3 R's did in 2002. Maybe if two or three of these players careers went a little different, then Brazil could have grabbed it's 6th star. But i guess we'll never know.
oh man, I still remember Ganso as one of the top wonderkids in football games back in the day. Remembered that he existed years later, and realized I haven't heard of him in like a decade.
Besides Pato and Ganso never becoming the players we expected them to be, there was a transition problem when Ronaldinho Gaucho and Adriano "The Emperor" retired from truly competitive football too early in their carreers, they could have played the 2010 and even the 2014 World Cups and provide some advice, guidance and responsibility-bearing to the talentend youngsters that were supposed to succeed them. In the end, neither the veterans or the youngsters were in the highest level and the result we all witnessed in the 2014 World Cup semifinal against Germany
@@maciejbala477yup I remember neymar and ganso were both 2 very promising players from Santos but then Neymar went to Barça and Ganso to Villareal and he was injury prone thats when his downfall started for me
As a Brazilian, it's easy for me to say that Football has undergone a great evolution in the tactical part, coaches need to take a higher education in the area, study more and more. Brazilian coaches stopped in time, most of them are former athletes with low education who took a very bad training course offered by the Brazilian confederation (CBF), where they didn't open a single book. In addition, they continue to believe that individual skill trumps tactical schemes. The CBF itself wants a foreign coach because it has already realized that keeping Brazilian coaches is like putting an illiterate person to fly a plane.
I think the point is about all this relationism stuff. These players are taught this back in Brazil, they look impressive move to Europe and struggle to play the more rigid positional play. Quite a lot of them seem to get quite demoralised and move to ‘money leagues’ (Saudi Arabia, China or Russia) whilst they are still quite young and could turn it around. Presumably partly for the money (as many come from a poorer background) but also so they can have that freedom like they do in Brazil. Malcom for example presumably felt a lot more of the freeedom he wanted at Zenit than he did at Barca.
The current Argentina squad reminds me a lot of the Brazilian flair back from 2002. Seems like one south american team losing it made another gain the ability
But current Argentina team is nowhere near being their golden generation. 2002 Brazil team was literally the greatest Brazil team of all time with so many legends playing there.
@@dc6502 Not sure about that. I feel like 2022 argentina is beating 1986 argentina. They are tactically better and work better as a unit.
@@dc6502No. Brazil 1958, Brazil 1970 were more talented and better. Brazil 2002 had a very easy path to the final.
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After such a shit day dealing with stupid c*nts, this vid is pretty relaxing.
Thanks man, you are the GOAT of football documentaries
The players have all developed such different styles of play across the world so it's probably jarring for them to go out as a team and know their role. Before 15 or so years ago the first team was mostly restricted to Brazil, Spain, Italy leagues, so they were at least kind-of on the same page
As a Brazilian, it's easy for me to say that Football has undergone a great evolution in the tactical part, coaches need to take a higher education in the area, study more and more. Brazilian coaches stopped in time, most of them are former athletes with low education who took a very bad training course offered by the Brazilian confederation (CBF), where they didn't open a single book. In addition, they continue to believe that individual skill trumps tactical schemes. The CBF itself wants a foreign coach because it has already realized that keeping Brazilian coaches is like putting an illiterate person to fly a plane.
you could say that about every national team though, they all play for the same different teams as the top brazilians too
@@rwalker0130 difference is, most european players all have learned to play positional from a young age, whereas brazilians all have learned relationism and then had to adapt to a style of play they are not comfortable with
In what world was the style of play in the Italian league like that of the Spanish and Brazilian leagues?!
@@Vivi-xn9iz If their "relationism" style of play is so great couldn't a club field a team entirely composed of Brazilians paying their "relationism" style of reap the benefits?
"Brazil still produces more outstanding teenage players than any other nation" Not sure about that tbh. Think the French would have something to say about it.
Well, statistically Brazil is still the nation that exports the most players, france is second and Argentina is third
@@edwin221bno shit a population of 200m is nr1
That 2002 world cup ball is so nice
Great video. I would only say that since 2002, many future key players had problematic careers. Alexandre Pato, Adriano, Robinho, Ganso and even Kaká and Ronaldinho had short careers.
If you think about it, we should be gratefull that even with his troubled club career, Neymar took the weight of Brazil shit almost alone, offensively.
Yeah when u think Brazil u think several great players on the team, but this generation it’s Neymar and not much else.
Alexandre Pato had fragile health, Adriano and Ronaldinho lacked professionalism and got many problems as obesity, parties and drugs... But you're wrong about Kaka, he played in Milan up to being 32 years old. He was just unlucky with transfer to Real Madrid where he sat on bench.
@@alexzero3736 Adriano had serious depression after his father's death. Kaká had knee injuries and after that he couldn't perform at such high level anymore
Pretty much the decline of the Serie A and La Liga in comparason with the Premier League did sort of took a role in Brazil's NT decline over the last two decades. It is very telling when the last two Brazilians in winning the Ballon D'ro (Ronaldinho and Kaka) were the stars of both La Liga and Serie A. The Premier League is... not a good place to develop Brazilian talent due to the over demanding playstyle and physicality expected from every player that goes over to play.
Great point actually
again blaming europe for brazils failures..funny
@@laoch5658it's a matter of playing style, not a matter of blaming anyone
Most definitely!
And player's who made their start in Portugal and getting used to European football, before going to Italy or Spain.
I’m not sure to understand your point. At the last WC Brazil had Paqueta, Guimaraes, Martinelli, Richarlison, Alisson, Ederson, Casemiro, Anthony, Firmino, Fabinho, Fred, all playing in EPL and brilliantly (maybe not Anthony, Richarlison and Fred 😅). Jesus could also be mentioned (was injured). I really don’t see why EPL would prevent Brazilian players to shine or improve.
Kaka and Ronaldhino were just generational talents like maybe Vinicius is : he is already playing at Ballon d’Or level. Neymar was also VERY close (even at PSG). Not everything is about the EPL : we get that it’s the best league nowadays but it’s not like excellent football quality doesn’t exist outside of it.
Personally I think we are just too harsh about Brazil : for the last 30 years they have been the most consistent national team in WC. France, Germany, Spain and Italy had huge upsets : sometimes being grouped, sometimes not even qualified. Brazil had this terrible 7-1 at home with an average team that’s true, but they still were on semi final. They almost never really had a bad generation, they keep having excellent players at all positions. The competition is just extremely fierce : football has drastically improved all around the world, not only in Europe.
As a brazilian, our problem has been coaching and it’s clear as day. In 1994 we were champions with basically an european style, and it was alright because coaching was still ok. They are holding as back now though.
Parreira in 2006 wanted to play Kaka, Ronaldinho, Adriano and Ronaldo, and just couldn’t make it work.
In 2010, Dunga died with a substitution against the Netherlands because he didn’t know what to do.
In 2014, I don’t even having to say anything about Scolari.
Finally in 2018 and 2022 Tite got badly outcoached. I mean, he gave the Croatia midfield unbelivable space and freedom, that’s why they had more possession and we couldn’t finish the match.
We need a foreign coached right now, but a lot of brazilians resist that
Mano, de verdade, esse cara literalmente não falou da maioria dos problemas da seleção
@@gabsnandes7818 Sim, errou feio a mão
you dont like foreigners in brazil, there is many portuguese coach and you brazilians dont want them
It can be simplified to between the 1994-2006 world cups, Brazil had 5 Ballon D’Or winners (Romario, Ronaldo, Rivaldo, Ronaldinho, Kaka) and arguably the best RB ever (Cafu) and the best LB ever (Roberto Carlos). This is probably the greatest generation of footballers ever produced.
Since 2006, the squad has been filled with mediocre to good players with few world class talents.
This new generation seems like it’s going to be much better but time will tell.
33:34 The fact that Ancelotti has been rumoured as their next manager is acknowledgement of a change in tactics for the Brazilian team in the future
Probably not for the best. Italian football is a million miles apart from typically free flowing Brazilian style.
I don't think it will go well. Like Capello in England
@@hakc97again have you Ever seen a anchelotti team it is very free flowing
@therebornjuker7165 Up to a point. He started off well and free flowing at Everton but the second half of that full season the goals dried up
No foreign manager has ever won the World Cup.
@@hakc97againthat's because it's Everton mate lol
The problem with Brazil is a problem that modern football has, the lack of strikers. Brazil's World Cup Winners were led by strikers such as Pele and Ronaldo. Since 2002, there has been a lack of world-class strikers. Most of the team's top goal-scorers are wingers who cut inside.
Yeah, I honestly have no idea why there are so few world class number 9's in the modern game and it's not like it's become a redundant role like the classic number 10.
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Other teams simply caught up, decades ago . Back in the day, when you thought about player skill, you immediately thought of Brazilian players. But now you have skillfull players everywhere. One of the greater flaws I feel is on a tactical and coach level. While the Brazilian player have had huge sucess in the most demanding leagues everywhere, the same cannot be said about their coaches. I fail to remember any Brazilian coach that has won any Champions/European champions Cup or any of the 5 main European leagues. Even great coaches like Tele Santana, Mário Zagallo or Scolari, have only had sucess in minor leagues in the Middle East. In stark contrast to their neighbor rivals Argentina. The lack of organization in their internal competitions and clubs doesnt help either. Fans have no patience to wait for results, with heavy pressure on the coaches, who inevitably get frequently fired.
And it also has to be said, a massive dose of hubris, failing to see the merits of others, doesn´t help either
I think they caught up, brazil just fell off
Brazil fell off
In 1982 I was seven.
My club Carlisle United were flying, I loved the flamboyance of Spurs.
So my mother told me before the 82 World Cup that Brazil were special and despite supporting Scotland with my Granddad we loved Brazil!
The 1982 World Cup was my introduction to the concept that winning is not being everything. I observed something exotic and beautiful. Brazil’s exit was a tragic drama but a beautiful story of a search for purity and perfection. Art for arts sake!!!
In the 1980’s you had unknown quantities in football now it seems football is generic.
It’s more clubs over countries, I guess air travel, media, data means players move on; and move on to European academics
your comment has a lot of soul
Were Spurs really the first team in England to play skillful football?
Damn
@@hakc97again they were one of the first teams to sign South American players, go figure
@@hakc97again did I say that? No! I said that I was seven in 82. They were FA cup winners and as a 7 year old I was impressed!
I never saw the Hungarian team of the 1950’s either but I my life Brazil 82 were a reason to fall in love with football
@@jimmycburfield5997 I was just asking a question.
in recent years there's been ton of Portuguese coaches getting into the top Brazilian teams (with great success) so they been getting some european football taste (they have complained there's too many games and no time for training and coaching between games though), would say portuguese football is a good bridge between the two styles. (spain too, probably the two best places for brazilian players to enter european football and develop)
well both spain and portuguese historically are like cousin
also portuguese did conquer brasil and make them speak the same language
@@1607Adi_ManzBrazil as a nation only exists as a reflection of Portugeuse colonialism. Get rid of Portugal and there is no such thing as 'Brazil'.
Brazil is currently experiencing a moment of social deconstruction. man increasingly has less responsibilities and is inferiorized. This reflects extremely insecure players, unable to act under pressure, despite being very talented. In the past, Brazil had many decisive players, even the defenders decided games, today we see several kids who cannot take on the responsibility of a decisive game alone or collectively.
Europe and US is the same
Their poetic playing style is a big draw! Indians love Brazil, Maradona, and Messi for that reason.
They make the game amazing to watch.
The fact that most players leave Brazil by age 21 cannot help their full 'natural' development. And even in Brazil they will be groomed to play in a way thats sellable to European Clubs.
Because they don’t have universal talents like Ronaldo,Ronaldinho, and Roberto carlos anymore. Neymar was the closest to these legends and could have actually surpassed them if he had a strong work ethic and mindset.
So much nostalgia and bias lol, Neymar has done more for the national team than Ronaldinho and Roberto Carlos ever did. The difference is that they played on a much better team than Neymar did and football has changed.
Also thinking that Ronaldo and Ronaldinho have better work ethic is hilarious, both those players have been overweight multiple times during their career, which is something that would never be accepted nowadays with how football has changed. Neymar has also had way more injuries than Ronaldinho ever had and Neymar is still a great player at 31 unlike Ronaldinho and Ronaldo that completely dropped off before 30,
@@hoya1178 You're just a Neymar fan trying hard to defend his failure of an idol
@@henriquealmeida8401 Lol, not really. Just look at the stats for Brazil.
Ronaldinho:
1 goal and 0 assist in 4 games in Copa America
2 goals and 4 assist in 10 games in the World Cup
5 goals and 6 assist in 25 games in World Cup qualification
Neymar:
5 goals and 4 assist in 12 games in Copa America
8 goals and 4 assist in 13 games in the World Cup
16 goals and 18 assists in 26 games in World Cup qualification
Do you see the difference? Your only have nostalgia because you were a kid when watching Ronaldinho and you don't remember how he actually played for Brazil.
@@hoya1178 Bro, who do you think you're to even tell how old i am.
You're only looking into data without context because it fits your bias. Ronaldinho didn't have the same role that Neymar has.
You think you're being smart, but you're only exposing yourself as a fool by taking partial data that fits the narrative you want to spew. I'm not even going to keep replying to you.
@@hoya1178Roberto Carlos scored the most iconic free kick in history of football and its possibly the best leftback ever. Ronaldinho changed football intro art, did i really need to elaborate about him to anyone?. Meanwhile your idol has... great stats.... and meme worthy diving videos.
I think the main reason is that Brazilian players started to adopt the terrible bureaucratic European football... today it is increasingly difficult to have players like neymar... we have a lot of pereba running and playing like the English...
Brazil has actually won like three Confederations Cup and two Olympic Games since 2002. And we classified wholesomely to 18's and 22's WCs. We got almost undefeated in the pre-worl cup classifications. But we have a really huge problem of psychological pressure, like @GermoDante has pointed out down here, the players are starting to feel the pressure of not winning a World Cup for 20 years.
Má vontade da FIFA é muito pouco falado. Como o Brasil foi prejudicado contra a Bélgica e Croacia e como a Argentina foi ajudada. Também não falam muito sobre o corpo de arbitragem ser 100 por cento europeu em jogos do Brasil .
Brazil still wins trophies. In 2019, they won the Copa America and they won the last two Olympics. It's not the WC but I know most countries who would kill for a single trophy. Fortunately, France, my country, isn't among them since we won the WC in 2018 and the Nations league in 2021.
However, since the Bosman rule arrived, more and more Brazilians leave for Europe and I feel like they lost this flair they once had. Zico goes as far as saying "football died in 1982" when they had an incredible team during the 1982 World Cup but lacked defensive discipline, which made them lose 3-2 to Italy, which will go on to win this edition. Even when they won in 1994 and 2002, it wasn't done with the traditional Brazilian style. Argentina won the 2022 WC by finding their traditional style. Brazil has to do the same if they want to win once again.
Honestly, with Saudi Arabia grabbing more talented players, I wonder how it will go. Maybe they'll try to create their own style of play which could suit Brazilian players better.
Also, brazil players need to play in Brazil to retain the Brazil style of play.
Exactly
True. But if a foreign team offers more money than Brazilian teams, why would they stay ? Football player remains a job and you don't stay loyal to your boyhood team. You go where you have the best opportunities. Unfortunately, it's not the case in Brazil anymore.
Brazil stopped being one of the main countries at the World Cups because the people from CBF still think that we are 2002, where everything goes well and we can recover whenever we can, but this is such mediocrity that I can even describe how embarrassed I was in those 4 last World Cups
This is something temporary. I'm 68 years old and I've seen Brazil in several phases, I saw the third championship in 1970, the 24 years without winning until winning 94 and 2022. It's certainly a phase, soon we'll see a new generation of Brazilians as talented as Ronaldo, Rivaldo and Ronaldinho.
@@mazdakmina9493 Yes. I see many people without knowledge say that in Brazil there is a talent shortage crisis and I always refute them by being quite correct: it's not that there is a lack of talent, we have plenty of that, the problem is that unfortunately there is a large amount of talent wasted due to lack of opportunity because not everyone has money to help you start your career or sponsorship.
I don't think so. Brazil has been to the FIFA World Cup since 1930 and the only team to do so. They did have a spell of drought before, and it is needed for them to rebuild again.
But yeah they should build something equivalent to France's Clairefontaine. This Clairefontaine is the best football academy in the world. A Brazilian Clairefontaine can revive Brazil's status. At the same time, Brazil should be serious in merging CONMEBOL to CONCACAF, aren't Brazilians tired of asserting too much influence in South America, where only ten nations could compete?
1974 was in my opinion the worst Brazil WC team.
You raised a good point which i hadn't thought about. Unlike in the great or good Brazil teams, Neymar has had to carry the load by himself. Messi finally had a team built to support him and that's what Neymar probably needs.
Neymar isn't a match winner. Never has been. Brazil needs to move on from Neymar.
brazil in 74 still have many of the players that won the world cup 4 years prior
in my opinion in 1990 was the worst brazil ever they managed to have the second worst campaign in brazil's history and was no world class player full health for that tournament because romario was injured
@@joseclima9519 74 vs 90? Its a close thing. I would still opt for 74 because they were definitely way over the hill and from memory, which is no longer what it used to be, played awful football.
@@jtaco4101 were there any match winners in Neymars' generation?
@@iceman4660 bro but in 74 they still were able to get into de semis for me as a brazilian the 90's team was just embarrassed
as a brazil fan, bad attitudes, laziness, poor advisors/selfish agents, corruption from the CBF, injuries and awful management choices have been a combination leading to our fall from grace. the players are often not taught how to conduct themselves and brazilian culture is heavy on the celebrations and sex so most players lose themselves to the vices extreme wealth brings. inner circles like neymar’s have advised him to chase the money and brand over all which only lines their pockets and have held back the superstar from realizing his potential. awful manager selections, ignorant leaders in the cbf adding to it makes it a cocktail for failure. hoping Antony bring dropped and Don Carlo taking over in 2024 changes fortune for the Seleçao
PERFECT
Because people think winning is easy. Brazil is 4 years removed from a Copa América and hasn't been necessarily less "good" these years. It's simply stupid and casual like to expact a team to dominate and win every single time. Brazil won 3 out of their 5 world titles in a span of 4 world cups from '58 until 1970. After that they've won twice in 52 years. It's just not easy.
Remember people talking them up before Qatar and I was like have you even seen their defence, 39 year old Dani Alves?
It stems from nostalgia and people have fond memories of Brazil of the 70s, 80s and 90s. Brazil did really well back when football was more about individual brilliance and flair.
I feel like they only brought him along because they were SO confident in their chances to win in order for him to get yet another championship to his name. He only played in the 3rd group stage game where their place in the next round was confirmed. Reminds me of when Rafael Marquez was part of the Mexican team in 2018, just to play in his 5th WC.
The whole squad was completely unbalanced and attack minded.
@@francolive5718 very true as well!
@@francolive5718 brazil didnt lose to any european i will remember you that. Brazil 1 x 1 Croatia. The match end in a drawn.
Its a bit like the Germans, no World Cup since 2014, no Euros since 1996, gone out the World Cup at the Group Stage in 2018 and 2022...
Brazil and Germany always will be there or there abouts
No world cup since 2014 means they've only not won two of them.
Hardly worth typing about buddy.
@SamS-uv2ql that's also like saying Brazil having no World Cup since '02 means they've only not won the next five...Daft comment to make really...
These are the 2 most successful teams in world football, there recent failures is worth talking about
@@FozzQuaker 5 is more than double 2.
@SamS-uv2ql I was never good at Maths in school, but I do know is more than double of 2
As a portuguese who follows brazilian football since the arrival of Jorge Jesus, who won it all for Flamengo in 2019, the biggest problem is that they were always relying on their raw talent and never catch up when the game started to change in the last 15 years or so. An average coach in Portugal like Abel Ferreira, is a God there (he won it all twice with Palmeiras). The tactical level is poor in comparison to Europe and there hasn't been enough talent produced to counter that.
brasil also had good coaches before, we were tatically surpassed in the 1950s, but adapted when Bella Gutman brought european tatics
Abel Ferreira é o melhor técnico português da atualidade, talvez com a exceção do técnico do Sporting, Porto e José Mourinho.
@@patrickaccioly4398 exatamente. no maximo está atrás desses e quando chegou ao Brasil, nem isso.
@@patrickaccioly4398 Lol não é não. Leonardo Jardim, NES, Marco Silva, melhores que o Abel.
Nonsense. Brazil no longer plays their best players. Players are selected by sponsors and other big money interests. Even Dani Alves was selected for the last world cup. Shocking
Brazil needs to select the best players from the Brazilian league like they use to.
We will come back 🇧🇷
You should do another essay video with the title, "Why England can't win anything?" Or the alternative title "The national teams Tottenham"
Greetings Alphie
Football Iconic made a video on that titled “The Problem with England”
Every real football fan admires Brazil for the amazing talents they have produced. I am sure they will rise again.
I have never admired them, but always despised...because of their arrogance and their "We have already won"-mentality. I only enjoy a WC when they are out.
@@andrekoerber7334 ok youre probably 14 years old or so i will not argue with you
@@lucas-xl5kf It's his opinion
@@SamsungAndIphoneuser saying that he can only enjoy a world cup if a team is eliminated is just an embarassing and pathetic thing to say. Support your team as any real football fan would do and dont wish others bad.
@@lucas-xl5kf Yes. Well said!
I can’t for the life of me think of how the next Ronaldo Nazario or Adriano has not yet been found in Brazil. Of all the positions on the pitch, you wouldn’t think Brazil would ever lack a world class striker yet they do (sorry Richarlison).
Adriano 💔
Roque or Endrick? Unfortunately I don't think Brazil will see another 16 year old score over 40 in a Brazilian season like R9 did
Ronaldo Nazario is ultimate benchmark of a striker.. greatest of all time.. Adriano was also very very good but brazil has stopped producing that kind of striker as well.. However Richarlison performed beyond expectation in last world cup..
It’s concerning that not only Brazil but Germany and Italy have all dried up with world class striker production.
Great analysis of the greatest football nation ever. There is one thing you might add, though: when Brazil won more often, the team consisted of mostly unknown players who played in Brazil. In the last 30 years, this has changed, so that opponents know exactly who they face. To give an example: I had never heard of Socrates before the World Cup of 1982. The way he and that team played blew my mind away.
You also didnt have internet
I don’t think we will ever see the type of Brazilian teams of the past who swept all before them while playing as though they were on the beach with their mates. Teams constantly adapt tactics not just between games but within them. The real long term influence in the game is Cruyff.
It is worth considering how, as one revealing example, how they didn't get past Croatia in Qatar last year - despite dominating most of the game (at least with chances, as you mentioned) and even taking the lead through Neymar in extra time. How did they miss all their chances in the first place? How did they suddenly concede just before the end? Why did they lose their nerve collectively in the penalty shoot out? All interesting ideas to ponder.
Yeah this has been the main conversation after the elimination in the world cup, including the big question on why the hell Neymar didn't stepped up to take the penalty, in my opinion, our managers just don't have enough decision making and often rely on the "old and somewhat proven" instead of trying something new when adversities happen, our WC qualifiers are no test, as there's no way Brazil doesn't qualify when we play teams like Venezuela and Peru who barely have a functioning country and national leagues, but maybe with this new generation (who actually looks very decent on all positions) can take us further, maybe 3rd place in the world cup eh?
Lack of experience, perhaps?
I mean Brazil have dropped off a level from the dizzying heights of 1950-1970, where they made 4 finals, even making top 4 in 1974, top 4 in 1978 where maybe if Peru v Argentina wasn't after Brazil's last game, they could have made final, 1982 wonder team not wining, 1986 team unlucky to lose in pens to France, and 1994-2006 amazing teams, they are still quite good, and you could attribute their relative dip in form down to random chance.
I'd say 2010 was mediocre by Brazil standards and 2014 was Brazil's worst ever World Cup team (but would still be a golden generation for 95% of nations). 2018 Brazil was unlucky to lose to Belgium in QF, and while I'd have bet on France to beat em in semis, essentially I'd say they were unlucky to not get to what I would have seen as the de facto 2018 WC final. 2022 Brazil was even better on paper, and without choking their lead in final 5 minutes, would have been in semis v Argentina and in my opinion, won the World Cup final v France had they beat Argentina.
This is all to say that in the 5 World Cups since Brazil last won in 2002, 3 of them Brazil was right in with a shot to win (2006, 2018, 2022). I mean in 2022, if you flip the result of the coin flip penalty shootouts of Argentina v Netherlands and Brazil v Croatia, you have a Brazil v Netherlands semi which Brazil wins, and Brazil v France final.
While there are some problems in Brazilian football addressed here, I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration of Brazil's problems and kind of scoreboard journalism. Had Brazil and Argentina's QF penalty shootouts gone the opposite way, Brazil beat Netherlands in semis and France in final, would we be having this conversation? Either way, I think Brazil will win the 2030 World Cup which I think will be cohosted by Argentina/Uruguay/Paraguay/Chile. Come back to this comment in 2030 haha
HiTC thinks like a generic pub englishman, which is Brazil deteriorated so other country can beat them.
yeah but if five straight unlucky exits happen over the course of twenty years, can that really still be considered unlucky?@@AW-zk5qb
This has to be one of the most well researched and written and genuinely interesting editorial videos I’ve ever seen on CZcams, let alone in the field of sports journalism.
Can we have a new installment of the "What on Earth is going on at...." series focusing on Middlesbrough please?
Our current form this season and at the end of last season is truly worrying and a little bit iffy.
While all your points make sense, as you said yourself, before 94 Brazil spent 24 years without winning it, with varying degrees of quality until we got there. I think our generation has been spoiled and have a twisted vision of reality after witnessing a a sequence of teams that had so much talent and reached 3 consecutive finals. Somehow I'm not too worried about the Brazilian league, its slowly improving, especially on the club administration side. Flamengo and Palmeiras seem to have put things in order, both which had notorious disastrous administration issues before, and most notably clubs like Fortaleza and Athetico Paranaense are really solid and consistent within their means and have a lot of potential, the biggest problem now is to fix the distribuition of the profits of the leage more fairly, but even without that the current season of has been one of the best in years.
The situation on the Conmebol as whole is a real problem though, especially when so many issues stem from problems that have nothing to do with the sport.
This is absolutely correct. 1994-2002 was a exception not the rule, both in terms of the Brazil team and there being a lull in competition. It jus so happens a certain generation grew up perceiving 94-02 as the norm for Brazil's dominance and the fact of winning the most world cups seeming to validate that, ignoring the context.
Conmebol is actually corrupt they pay refs to support bigger teams (Brazil) to win
The lack of success for Brazil over 1974-90 had little in common with the current context. It was more difficult to advance into the last four (multiple group stages, no favours for seeded teams => see 1982) and while Brazil failed to do so, the football they played in 1982 and 1986 was memorable.
On the other hand, since the mid-2000s neither the football nor the results are memorable. And getting knocked out by Belgium/Croatia while struggling to beat Switzerland is absolutely not comparable to getting knocked out by France, Italy and Argentina.
I agree.
I am kind of impressed on how much accurate, updated information on our br football this video has. I would also mention that ... since 2000 young talents were scouted and taken europe what reduced the level of our main tournaments, brasil cup/brasileirao/libertadores. I do consider that some teams now have made exceptional projects to raise their revenue and could offer better salaries so that we can keep players.
After 20 years we are starting to have a great competition again.
That frame at 9:10 of our last Presidential election (that happens every World Cup year, by the way) debate to exemplify the ideological fissure in Brazilian play was SUBLIME. Chef's kiss. Shows the attention to detail you have when and throughout researching - not only about the theme at hand but in a far greater scope, the sign of someone who truly cares about learning and strives for quality - clearly abundant in your videos!
Because the game has moved on and they haven’t. Still playing the same way and with the same mentality. The allure and intimidation of playing against Brazil isn’t there anymore either as more nations are capable of fielding really good teams, so why should they show them the same level of fear/respect that they used to?
Their domestic league is no where near as good as it used to be, they don’t have a world class striker, and they don’t have any good defenders (apart from Marqinhos)
Either Endrick or Vitor Roque could develop into an world class striker. Both lack height but otherwise habe everything it takes to become world class.
Brazil are to football what India should be to Cricket. Countries with huge populations having their sport as a national obsession. Neither have won very much in the last few years, and India have never really dominated in the way that Brazil used to
Lets not overlook that Brazil also had a World Cup Title drought from 1970 - 1994. Because there arent many big brazilian players from the time Pele & Co resigned up until Romarios rise.
Born in 92 i also grew up seeing Brazil as the absolute Kings of football. As a german kid i was devastated when they did beat us in 2002. And i believed they re unbeatable.
But times and teams change. Brazil did loose again and i did see golden Spain rise and fall followed up by Germany taking the title only to become the laughing stock of football.
Nothing will stay as it is. Joga Bonito of course has troubles in a time where tactics completely rule football. But i think one day Brazil will be back at the top. Because their monumental passion for the beautiful game will never die.
Is the number 9 position making a comeback? I'm amazed it took this long for teams to get the Striker back into teams.
maybe you are too young. but everything in football returns. at some point. the game is overthought. there is nothing new you can do anymore.
The cycle of tactical always happened
Brazil are one of my favourite respective national teams ever in this world but just because of only trying to play the "Samba Style Football" without winning their regular trophies,most notably more than twenty years of not winning a FIFA World Cup trophy is considered a curse for them on the whole,good friends!!!Not to forget,there is no respect to the domestic Brazilian leagues unfortunately in the football world,except in South America,mainly in Brazil but I am fully watching and getting updated by respective Brazilian men's footballing divisions daily and must ever in this world,good friends!!!At least,I am happy that a foreign player,now plays for Vasco Da Gama who is Dimitri Payet boss who can inspire most of the respective established Brazilian players to play in the Brazillian leagues hopefully!!!🙏🏻
We _(Germany)_ also had to wait 24 years, from 1990-2014, to win again.
Just like Brazil, with 1970-1994.
But we lost two finals before once _(82 and 86)_ and then being runner-ups _(2002)_ and two third places _(2006 and 2010),_ before it finally "clicked".
Brazil on the other hand didn't show comparable runs, before their title in 1994.
Although 1970 was a different story. With only England winning between 1958-1970, besides Brazil.
Luis suarez plays for gremio...
Nobody in Brazil calls brazils old style of play samba football or jogo bonito please stop using these terms they’re stupid.
Superb video! Your football knowledge, the players, the coachs, the leagues, the historics, is outstanding! But for me, the most impressive aspect, was the grasp of the weird and complex reality of brazilian domestic football. We portuguese now have 6 or 7 coachs on the Brasileirao, so we talk and discuss about it a lot! But the level and depth of knowledge that you present, from someone that comes from the land of the Premier League, which is such a distant reality… is just superb! Congrats!!!
So well said that people forget how incredibly difficult it is to win a world cup. Bravo for this video!
As a Brazilian we have some reasons for why we stopped winning:
The weakening of our league, the best players are “stolen” from us too early, thus the interesting in the league diminish the interest in the game;
Then our players “learn” to play the “european game” and thus they lose the flair that was “our thing”, which in fact is also related to way we are training, in order to compete with European football, we are too focused in the physical aspect and also “forgetting” the flair, less and less “dibres” and more and more running and strength;
Another aspect is the fact that we were pretty much in a bubble in regards of tactics and the way we see the game, the coaches were always the same and no new blood breaking through with new tactics and ideas, which caused a rush to bring foreigners to training our teams and help developing the tactical aspect of the game;
We could back to 82 and the traumatic loss of arguably the best team ever and how it shaped our mentality that always valued winning and as the “joga bonito” failed, we started a trend of very pragmatic approach with very defensive teams and focus on the results, it is like if Barca throw away their philosophy after lose for the very defensive Chelsea, because playing the good game didn’t get the champions league.
There are more things, like the corruption within CBF, lack of real investment in sport in general, how these things affect our talent pool and so on.
But that happens tenfold in the Argentine league and still won the world cup. The truth is, no matter how talented your team is, you still have to have a pinch of luck to win the world cup.
We been there between 1990/2022. Lost finals, lost penalty shootouts... Chances that hit the post... It happens.
@@87crimson yeah Argentina is very similar to Brazil in many aspects, unbelievable talent pool, unique way to play the game, but marred with the problems I said above, but ultimately you are right, luck can help sometimes and the game is played in the pitch, names or whatever, nothing matters when there are another eleven player in front of your team. And bad days can happen to anyone too…
I was 11 in 2002, if you'd told me then it would be over 20 years before Brazil won the World Cup again I'd have thought you were insane.
It's a 37 minute video bet ya 35 of those minutes are intro lol. Love you Alfie
The bottom line is this, Brazil doesn’t win anymore because all their best players are being sold to European clubs at too young an age, and they end up becoming more European in their style of play than Brazilian. They’ve lost what makes the Brazilian player so special. When Brazil was most dominant, almost their entire team played on Brazilian clubs, which was more beneficial to the team.
Brazil for many years was the best men's team in the world, but overall what has happened is increased competition globally in the game. A lot of the strongest competition now for Brazil has been from Europe big teams in the World Cup. Although Brazil has a rivalry with Argentina and Uruguay for South American championship the Copa America and World Cup Qualifiers, Brazil real arch rival today is UEFA top teams which has been giving Brazil trouble in the past 5 world cups. Brazil could return to win world titles if they build strong teams that can help Neymar and Vinicius Junior. CBF politics and sport agents have caused controversies in regards if some players are deserving to be called up for Brazil's national team. The women's team is improving in Brazil, but lacks still the massive talent to win like the famous men's team. Brazil in a way is like an elite school for soccer-football in the world, which prides itself in developing world champions and legendary players. Not really sure what will happen in 2026, given it will have 48 teams and more competition.
When you think about it practically all the Brazil WC winning team of 1970 played in Brazil even Pele played for Santos which simply would not happen today where they are scattered around a handful of clubs in Europe which may not be the best for a cohesive team unit if they don't play that regularly together as they did in previous eras
Dida went on loan for a handful of games to Corinthians back in 01-02, but he was already at Milan by then, joining in like 2000
first of all i would like to appreciate your effort to say important names in portuguese, i saw a video other day that the guy say "national brazilian team" and not SELEÇÃO, "brazilian championship" and not BRASILEIRÃO, i really appreciate your effort, and you did it well.
second, i liked your point, and it is what i think about as well. you did such a great video, a lot of data, that i think you spent mounths gathering it, so i really appreciate your effort in point brazilian flaws, as i think you're so accurate. Appreciate and you got 1 fan already!
Nice research! You are right on point
I know I’m up late when I see Alfie posted 5 minutes ago. Worth it tho
Luv u Alfie! Keep up the great videos bro
I renew my petition for you to include international subtitles for your videos. I volunteer for Spanish, but just having them would be great for me and my football loving non-English speaking family.
My English is almost on a native level. So I have no problem following guys like Alfie or Tinashe _("Football Iconic)._
But I also think that my fellow German countrymen are missing out big and are left with guys like Manu Thiel. Who sounds like a bad news anchor, who presents his clips like a 90's football magazine.
I think that there is, or at least was, an option to create subtitles in different languages yourself. So if you have the spare time, you can make the subtitles yourself!
@@yannick245 There was. Unfortunately, CZcams removed it and now it's up to the uploader.
@@Dagpar Ah, okay! I'm on CZcams from the start _(this channel is 16 years old)._
During that time CZcams changed and removed so many books things.
A couple years ago we both could exchange DM's _(personal/direct messages)_ and you could leave comments on the site of a channel.
And then there was the _"Google +"_ times.
Yeah, so many things changed...
I'm quite surprised about how much information about our football and culture you brought in this video... to be honest, I didn't know your work till now. Congratulations, as a Brazilian, I think it's a great analysis. As you said, the fact is that the world cup is just difficult, but our arrogance got to big, and some of us here don't seem to notice.
Exatamente, só porque temos 5 copas, as pessoas (Brasileiros) ficam cantando vitória antes da hora, ficamos esfregando títulos passados, o que é mais vergonhoso ainda, pela distância temporal dos mesmos, aí nós somos eliminados, e resta só lamentar, aguentar o deboche por causa de brasileiro soberbo, e chorar. Se não houver uma mudança radical nisso, se não consertarmos, ou melhor, se a CBF não quiser consertar isso com um bom técnico, só iremos sofrer, e virar piada para os estrangeiros.
The answer is in the image of this video. Neymar. A talented player who is TOXIC leadership for any group. Add to that an off-season of great players in Brazil. Get ready for years to come. Brazil won U17 and is two-time Olympic champion. Big chance to be Olympic champion again. This generation will be in the cups of 26, 30 and 34. With very good chances.
Football is cyclical. By their standards, Brazil have had a very mediocre generation of players whereas European nations have gone through a golden generation of talent.
There is also this error ppl make comparing Brazils results vs the best results of several European nations.
Brazil overall results if you start in 2006 is only really inferior to France and Germany.
@@alexandretoledo2587 France, Germany and Spain. The latter two have fallen away since but don’t forget Spain were an incredible team for a good six or seven years.
@@toph8298 Spain was a mighty team but it’s average results in WC have been terrible. One WC win, knocked out three times in round of 16, knocked out in group stage once. Brazil has 4 QF knockouts and one semi final.
If that one one WC win is enough for you to put them ahead of Brazil then throw in Italy and Argentina in there as well.
argentina also reached 2014 wc final..They have been better than brasil for last 20 years@@alexandretoledo2587
Last great Brazilian striker was Adriano and he peaked in 06 lol
Don't see much difference between the Brazilian and English media when it comes to hyping up the teams before tournaments
Yeah but due to Brazil being football giants the Brazilian media probably feel justified in the hype. The English have a very good team….but so do other countries.
I think Brazil are finally having a off period, their talents like Vitor Roque, Endrick, Santos, Leonardo will help them in the future
Zico was a brilliant player and yet he doesn't have a fifa card...shame, so much disrespect
Eh, I mean Brazil have dropped off a level from the dizzying heights of 1950-1970, where they made 4 finals, even making top 4 in 1974, top 4 in 1978 where maybe if Peru v Argentina wasn't after Brazil's last game, they could have made final, 1982 wonder team not wining, 1986 team unlucky to lose in pens to France, and 1994-2006 amazing teams, they are still quite good, and you could attribute their relative dip in form down to random chance.
I'd say 2010 was mediocre by Brazil standards and 2014 was Brazil's worst ever World Cup team (but would still be a golden generation for 95% of nations). 2018 Brazil was unlucky to lose to Belgium in QF, and while I'd have bet on France to beat em in semis, essentially I'd say they were unlucky to not get to what I would have seen as the de facto 2018 WC final. 2022 Brazil was even better on paper, and without choking their lead in final 5 minutes, would have been in semis v Argentina and in my opinion, won the World Cup final v France had they beat Argentina.
This is all to say that in the 5 World Cups since Brazil last won in 2002, 3 of them Brazil was right in with a shot to win (2006, 2018, 2022). I mean in 2022, if you flip the result of the coin flip penalty shootouts of Argentina v Netherlands and Brazil v Croatia, you have a Brazil v Netherlands semi which Brazil wins, and Brazil v France final.
While there are some problems in Brazilian football addressed here, I feel like this is a bit of an exaggeration of Brazil's problems and kind of scoreboard journalism. Had Brazil and Argentina's QF penalty shootouts gone the opposite way, Brazil beat Netherlands in semis and France in final, would we be having this conversation? Either way, I think Brazil will win the 2030 World Cup which I think will be cohosted by Argentina/Uruguay/Paraguay/Chile. Come back to this comment in 2030 haha
They wont win it
I disagree with the Liga MX point. The league doesn't even bring in that many Brazilian players and they aren't even young to begin with. Most of the Brazilians that are currently playing in the league have already been there for a long time, and a lot of them are 25+. There's only one player from Brazil who fits your description and his first ever first division minutes are in Mexico (Vitinho from Atl San Luis)
Fantastic video. Would love one like this about England too. I think so many times have we gotten so close recently but can never deliver (as always). Fantastic video
They Become Like Barcelona...which depends upon skills....but not in hardwork and physicality which is important in modern football
Brazil is all about playing with flair. But playing with flair only works if you're the better team - and in today's tighter and tighter international football, that's just not always the case. People like to go on about "tough" defenses in the past, but they were never really tough, just more brutal. These days, defenders are so much more disciplined and smart when it comes to not get dazzled, so the Brazilian style just doesn't work anymore.
Partially true. But I think that you can play well with flair. Brazil failed their last quarter final due to mentality, not due to over use of flair or not working.
Is that why Messi ran circles around everyone in the world cup?