I came across this video and channel whilst researching the SPB185. First of all, great video, presentation and commentary! It almost makes me think I could do this myself! I’ve always wanted to try my hand at modding, this might be the video that pushes me to do it!
Great video! I’m preparing to do the exact same build, so this was fun to watch. I don’t know why I never thought of cutting the adhesive for the insert, makes so much sense. 🤦♂️
I know this vid is old now but if u don't know, removing the bezel at the 2 or 10 o'clock position works FAR better then at the 12 or 6 o'clock positions. Use some heat resistant tape for protection against scratching and it'll pop off with no trouble at all mate!
Amazing! I did thuis built too except with the 187 case. Only problemen i found were the dial sinking in the case, and the bezel missing clicks and having backplay. Buy like you said, this build is amazing value!
People have a problem with non OEM parts, But they won't admit to themselves that most Seiko is made in Malaysia and china...hardly prestigious countries of origin for your watch. So, get over it lol. Its not omega, or rolex, it really doesn't matter. Grand seiko is a different ball game too. A knock off mm300 from Heimdallr now has a genuine Swiss ETA2824 movement for under $400 usd. That's just the way things are now. Maybe 10 years ago the argument would have been different, But then again that's when seiko actually made their common watches in japan...smh. For now, whether these actually are OEM or not, its as good as anything seiko is handing over for under $2000usd. and thats the sad truth. Nice build!
For future reference, the NE-15 is the 3rd party edition of Seiko's 6R15. Retails ~115 USD$. Unsure if the 6R 35/36 is similarly available. Also unsure if the performance vastly exceeds the 4R/NH series for the cost. Your videos make great viewing and are informative for folks thinking about modding. I felt confident enough to fix damage hands on one of my watches after watching a few.
Great video! Although personally I think a white date wheel would have balanced out the opposite white index as it’s meant to be roughly the same size and shape when paired with the miniature index edge besides it. Regardless, fantastic build and incredible video quality.
Yeah, I would have gone with a white date wheel if there wasn't an index at 3 or if the date window had a frame. And I definitely would have if the 3 o'clock index extended around the date window, but since it didn't I thought I'd try blending the date complication with the dial instead. But I agree with you, it would look great with a white date wheel.
Another great watch build. It would be interesting if you could tell them apart side by side. I am tempted to get the san martin mm300 homage and buy a steel bezel insert.
Just wanted to say that it needs gold seconds hand, and then you changed them. Also would love this dial and hands in SBDC101 case with ceramic black bezel. Hopefully they ll bring that one day. If not ill build it myself I just have to start modding
How have I not found this channel? Is there a basic set of tools you recommend for starting out? I would love to make this watch and feel like I could do it...but having the proper tools means everything. Great video
Ok., Yeah Great Build but, you did use an NH (4R) movement. I couldn't find an (original to either SPB's) 6R35 but, I did find a 6R15 (NE15) and the best I could get (I had to source the black date disk separately) to was, US$525.00 - Minus the bracelet! So add $200.00 to that. Oh, and I swapped out for a signed crown - included in this price.
Most of the Seiko cases, bracelets, casebacks etc... All come from the same factories as the Aliexpress homage MM300's, 6105's etc... Brands like San Martin, Himq use the same cases as Seiko models. The finishing and final polish of the homages is not as nice though.
the dials are a headache...I mean there are plenty of "sterile" options but not the "seiko" stuff. also the case is priced quite steep, but it comes in a few options of bezels and whatnot, hardly looks OEM :) any way we can take this chat offline to dig into more details ?
Man you did what i wanted to do since i saw the same video. I really want to make this watch for my self with a black dial. The only thing holding me back is the size of my wrist. 6 1/4 in. :(
@@ItsAnotherWatch oh that's great! I will definitely do it as a project. And the sale in AliExpress is incoming. Thank you so much for the inspiration m8. Keep up the good work
I guess its just the power reserve that's different then? I guess that's one less thing against the NH35 for this build then. Thanks for letting me know!
@@ItsAnotherWatch yes, the power reserve and the stated accuracy: -6R35: -15/+25 seconds per day. -NH35 (aka 4R35): -20/+40 per day. Keep the good work with the channel!
I am amazed how people believe they're buying OEM parts just because Ali says it is. Question: how do you know? Funny, how the sellers have hundreds of that same dial in stock, sometimes thousands (like a SPB153 turtle dial I was interested in). Tiny details not matching, lume applied slightly different, attractive price (compared to the real thing). Sounds too good to be true, if you ask me. I have yet to receive that same OEM case (I hope it truly is), but I guess I will have to live with an aftermarket dial or spend 150 bucks or more for the real thing.
This is a different seller from the one I used, but they seem to have the dial in stock: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004174412238.html and they DO have the logo on them as they're OEM dials.
@@Palladiumknightrider Yeah, for whatever reason they don't show the seiko logo on the photos but if you were to message the seller and ask for pictures of the dial, you'll see that they do have the logo, since they are OEM dials. So they don't put the logo on them, its already on them from the factory.
I’ve just completed a very similar build myself now with oem parts . Except that I’ve got it on a Crafter Blue rubber strap. I think your later change to the black ceramic bezel insert looks great , but I’m happy with the steel one for now . Keep up the great videos 😁
Man your mods are awesome! Just subscribe to your channel. Question - Does the bracelet use a pin and collar system? Or screw pins or friction pins? Cheers mate 🤙🏾
Yeah, unfortunately it looks like that's the case. However I WAS able to find a listing for the black dial version: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003153039009.html
Hi Dan, can you tell me whether your dial is stamped or not? You can tell by the slight halo effect on stamped dials - you can see where the dial surface bends to form the stamped index.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Shame! Can't seem to find any dials with applied indices. While I would love a spb207 for a low price it seems to be impossible, I'll think I'll start hunting for the real deal instead. Cool vid though, love your presentation style
@@Altanabstick not to argue, but i watched several videos with this watch, and i clearly could see this halo effect on original dials. Are they stamped also?
@@MrKatsser As far as I am aware that is not the case. I still have my eye out for an original one at a fair price, but they are rare. In the meantime saving up for a BB58 aswell, if I reach that goal before I find this Seiko I think I won't buy it anymore
Quick question, if I put a top hat or super dome crystal on and want to do bezel swaps from time to time, am I going to have to remove the crystal possibly to "push" the bezel into place? Sometimes that requires a crystal press too, right? I'd imagine if the crystal is sticking up, then it would have to come out, put bezel in then put crystal back in. Also, if I'm putting a new crystal in a watch that is mint/new in box, but about 4 years old, is the original crystal gasket usually sufficient? Or do I need to use new crystal gaskets every time I change a crystal? In your opinion? Much appreciated. Thank you
To answer the simpler question first: Yeah if the watch is New in box, but was boxed a few years ago, the crystal gasket is probably fine. For the first question: It depends on the case you're going with and the diameter of the bezel and crystal. From my experience, most bezels on these dive watches are designed to sit around the edge of the crystal (with a slight gap to allow the bezel to rotate freely) and so its possible to leave the bezel on when removing the crystal. There are some watches out there that have the crystal and bezel as one piece and others where the bezel might sit over the edge of the crystal. But for the watches with the decent bezel attachment methods, they are simple enough to remove and re-attach anyway, so its not too much trouble to remove the bezel first. And if you're changing the crystal you're going to use a crystal press for it, so when/if the bezel needs to be pressed back on you'll have the press there to use anyway. And, unless you're bezel is a joined piece with the crystal (like some of the 5KX's have the crystal pressed into the bezel rather than the case) you should be able to swap it without having to touch the crystal. The best thing you can do it look for specific information about the watch you want to work on, and see if there are any disassembly videos of it, that way you'll know for sure what you're in for when you try to modify it. The answers I've given here are somewhat generalized and based on my experience with SKX mods and might not be so accurate with other models.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Thanks brother. Yeah, speaking of a modern turtle. The nemo orange one. I was looking to put a top hat or super dome so I'd have sapphire. But I want to be able to change bezels for a new look. (and preserve the original insert) I've seen some vids where the bezel can be hard to pop on, so they use the press to push down the bezel into place. But if a crystal is sticking up, it's going to be hard to push the bezel down as the height of the crystal would stop it. A flat crystal would be no problem as it would allow the bezel to be pushed all the way. Thanks again!
Can you comment on the differences between this OEM SPB185 case and the MM300 case from NakomiMods? Are they similar in size and fit on wrist? Which one do you prefer?
I prefer the style and look of the OEM SPB185 case, the sharper angles and the extra curve of the lug tips, plus the smaller grooves on the bezel. Even the bracelet looks better. But in terms of a build that needs a chapter ring, the Namoki MM300 case wins out, not to mention it is FAR more comfortable with all of the edges that contact the wrist on the case and the bracelet being smoother than the SPB185. However, if you were doing a build that had the minute track on the dial instead of the chapter ring, going for the MM300 case will look worse, because a blank brushed chapter ring is larger and uses more space than a case like the SPB185 that minimizes the "chapter ring section" because it doesn't need one. Also, the Bezel action on the SPB185 OEM case is really firm and fantastic. It's much looser on the Namoki case by comparison. The crown action on the Namoki MM300 is better too, much smoother. My SPB185 case grinds a bit when screwing down the crown. Makes me wonder if these things end up on aliexpress because they failed some kind of QC at seiko's factory. Still, good value for someone like me who's willing to put up with a less than perfect sample to save money. So in terms of comfort, with its smooth edges, the Namoki MM300 case wins out. And if you are doing a build with a minute marked chapter ring it will look fantastic. But for dials with the minute track on them rather than the chapter ring, the MM200 case will look better. That being said, i'd be curious to try out modding the Heimdallr Thorn which is an MM200 homage that uses a chapter ring.
Question, the Dial appears on Alibaba (and initially in your vid.) without the "Seiko" logo up top yet, in your finished product, the dial you show does have the "Seiko" logo printed on it...what gives...??
I actually don't know specifically but it seems that they're not allowed to show the logo on Ali. But if you contact the seller via the chat function on the site, they'll send you images with it visible.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Thanks for getting back to me! Yeah. "T-Watch Mod Store" - Is this the vendor you bought the dial from? They don't respond. Oh! and also , Only the seconds hand is gold, correct? The rest are polished silver. Did you have to purchase 2 sets - one of each...??
@@Dr.Who_84 No, the seller that I got mine from isn't available anymore. Stores tend to pop up and shut down on Ali all the time. You could try finding another shop that has the dial and contact them, but sometimes you have to wait a few days to get a response. (I have gotten responses within 24 hours but it can be a bit of a wait sometimes). As I mentioned in the video, when ordering the hands from Monster Watches you can ask for a gold second hand. I emailed them directly and got a quick confirmation, but I was later told that you can just add a note to your order with a request for a gold second hand and he'll do it. He actually commented on this video, I believe, confirming that its better to leave the note on the order than email him.
@@ItsAnotherWatch I also found the OEM dial, ("Seiko" and all!) on Weezmods but, they're at least twice as expensive.. Thanks! I'll try that with Monster although, they don't have the silver polished hands in stock currently... so, I'll have to wait a bit, I guess. I appreciate all of your Info./Help! Cheers!!
Although I suppose I can't know for certain. I asked the sellers of the parts if they were actual OEM, they said "Yes They are OEM" and based on the quality of the parts when building with them, I'm inclined to agree. Also given that the cheaper aftermarket options use a different Bezel mechanisms compared to this case I'd say that its OEM. That and a lot of these parts get made in China anyway. Still, any reasons I give are just speculation.
You are using the wrong movement spacer ring. The grey ring is to short for the oem caseback. You need an black spacer ring. 4R and 6R movements come with an black spacer.
The Crown position on the SPB185 case is 3.8 O'clock. So any NH35 will do, since the date disc lines up at both crown positions. If you were doing a NH36 and a dial with a day+date window, you'd need to get a specific 3.8 or 3 o'clock date disc (or a movement that comes with the appropriate one) since its the date disc that doesn't align at both.
Although I can't speak for how stiff the bezel on yours is in comparison to the one on mine. I can confirm that the bezel action on this case is more than twice as firm as my SKX builds. Its more on par with the SNZH55. Its a very firm bezel action. All I can say is, the way to see if its defective or just firm is to give it a full rotation and see if despite being firm that it rotates smoothly. If it grinds then chances are it was pressed on wrong. But if it turns smoothly, and simply requires more to rotate it, then its functioning normally.
If you're reffering to the aftermarket versions of this case, yeah I have. There is one with a signed crown and a different bezel insert style that uses a regular click ring like the OEM ones (but a softer bezel motion) and that one is fine, but the others that use the retention wire are a nightmare to put back on with a decent feel to the rotation. So I'd recommend not removing the bezel if you can. If you're just reffering to this OEM version from AliExpress, yeah they come off and go back on just fine since its an OEM case.
My camera settings here don't do the OEM/bezel insert lume justice. Although there is a lume difference between the hands and the dial in terms of brightness, in person I can't see it. Heck, just standing near a window for a few seconds makes the whole watch light up when turning around into a dimmer area. I'll have to spend some time figuring out the best settings to show lume with my camera.
Looks fantastic, good work
This is a criminally underviewed channel 🙌🏻
I came across this video and channel whilst researching the SPB185. First of all, great video, presentation and commentary! It almost makes me think I could do this myself! I’ve always wanted to try my hand at modding, this might be the video that pushes me to do it!
It is great that you post these videos warts and all. Very informative especially where it doesn't go exactly to plan. Your watch looks great
Great video! I’m preparing to do the exact same build, so this was fun to watch. I don’t know why I never thought of cutting the adhesive for the insert, makes so much sense. 🤦♂️
Mate your craftsmanship is truly enjoyable! Thank you for sharing your enthusiasm! Let's go build something!!
Unfortunately for me, I’ll have to pay retail for the real thing. Awesome work mate.
I am going to try this out. Thank you for the detailed instructions!!
I know this vid is old now but if u don't know, removing the bezel at the 2 or 10 o'clock position works FAR better then at the 12 or 6 o'clock positions. Use some heat resistant tape for protection against scratching and it'll pop off with no trouble at all mate!
great video dan, love the build
Love what you’ve done with this bro, saw your later budget version too, both look stunning, Id be happy with either in my collection 💯👌😎👊🏻
You are an artist!
Oem case back with serial number? Funny
Tip: Cleaning with those Rodico i noticed actually makes it worst because it leaves some kind of residue on it. Just use a brush to clean it.
Amazing! I did thuis built too except with the 187 case. Only problemen i found were the dial sinking in the case, and the bezel missing clicks and having backplay. Buy like you said, this build is amazing value!
Nice mod. Been binging your vids to get t ready to change hands on my first mod. Parts are already on the way. Just buying tools now.
You sir are an artist i dont know what it is but that is one of the best looking watches ive ever seen...
Love that dial.
It makes perfect sense to cut the 3M tape in half for better placement. I'll be using that tactic with all future builds....Thanks 🙏!
People have a problem with non OEM parts, But they won't admit to themselves that most Seiko is made in Malaysia and china...hardly prestigious countries of origin for your watch. So, get over it lol. Its not omega, or rolex, it really doesn't matter. Grand seiko is a different ball game too.
A knock off mm300 from Heimdallr now has a genuine Swiss ETA2824 movement for under $400 usd. That's just the way things are now. Maybe 10 years ago the argument would have been different, But then again that's when seiko actually made their common watches in japan...smh. For now, whether these actually are OEM or not, its as good as anything seiko is handing over for under $2000usd. and thats the sad truth.
Nice build!
I love all your creations, nice MM300
Yet another great video - keep it up
Marc at LongIsland watches has a great video on how to remove bezel inserts! No more prizing then off!!
Wow, not bad. I might have to try that in the future! (for anyone else wondering what video it is, its here: czcams.com/video/Y_zDht9pl5U/video.html )
Fantastic build - lovely watch
You inspired me to build my own watch mate keep it up you have very good content
For future reference, the NE-15 is the 3rd party edition of Seiko's 6R15. Retails ~115 USD$. Unsure if the 6R 35/36 is similarly available. Also unsure if the performance vastly exceeds the 4R/NH series for the cost.
Your videos make great viewing and are informative for folks thinking about modding. I felt confident enough to fix damage hands on one of my watches after watching a few.
Thanks very much! I'm happy to entertain as well as inform! God speed with your repairs to the those hands!
@@ItsAnotherWatch -Marc at Long Island Watch has an answer to your bezel problem.
czcams.com/video/Y_zDht9pl5U/video.html
This is amazing, great job!
Great video! Although personally I think a white date wheel would have balanced out the opposite white index as it’s meant to be roughly the same size and shape when paired with the miniature index edge besides it. Regardless, fantastic build and incredible video quality.
Yeah, I would have gone with a white date wheel if there wasn't an index at 3 or if the date window had a frame. And I definitely would have if the 3 o'clock index extended around the date window, but since it didn't I thought I'd try blending the date complication with the dial instead. But I agree with you, it would look great with a white date wheel.
Another great watch build. It would be interesting if you could tell them apart side by side. I am tempted to get the san martin mm300 homage and buy a steel bezel insert.
Great Video, You May Have Inspired me to Mod a old Pagani Design watch with the NH35a Movement , which is collecting dust!
Another great video that is highly informative and delivered in an entertaining style.
I got 1000 ! and your watch is really cool
Thanks very much! And thanks for subscribing! Hitting 1000 is awesome, thanks for helping me get there! 감사합니다!
Great looking watch!
Really nice Dan, love it! :)
This video is GOLD man!!!! F****g GOOOOLLDDDD, thanks mate!!
Great build. Planning to build the same, bur can't seem to find the dial, even in aliexpress. Only seeing overpriced ones.
Another great video
The beezle QC issue is how you know its genuin Seiko 😂
Personally I would of gone with the white date wheel. Looks more balanced with the indicies
Fascinating!
Just wanted to say that it needs gold seconds hand, and then you changed them. Also would love this dial and hands in SBDC101 case with ceramic black bezel. Hopefully they ll bring that one day. If not ill build it myself I just have to start modding
How have I not found this channel? Is there a basic set of tools you recommend for starting out? I would love to make this watch and feel like I could do it...but having the proper tools means everything. Great video
I want to make a new 'slim turtle' this way once parts become available. Probably has a 31mm dial that omits the adapter/chapter ring.
Seiko moding is expensive. However you seem to have a good eye and taste for building a macho watch.
What an amazing job 👏! Even I want one now🤣
This is legitimately the combination of the 2 watches I am trying to decide between right now lol
Love it mate
NH35 and 6R35 have the same BPM
GREAT too share this knowledge - some time in life you stumble over something good - as this ::: ;)
Ok., Yeah Great Build but, you did use an NH (4R) movement. I couldn't find an (original to either SPB's) 6R35 but, I did find a 6R15 (NE15) and the best I could get (I had to source the black date disk separately) to was, US$525.00 - Minus the bracelet! So add $200.00 to that. Oh, and I swapped out for a signed crown - included in this price.
Wooh . Exactly the watch im thinking.
Most of the Seiko cases, bracelets, casebacks etc... All come from the same factories as the Aliexpress homage MM300's, 6105's etc... Brands like San Martin, Himq use the same cases as Seiko models. The finishing and final polish of the homages is not as nice though.
Thanks for that you keep it so real
Love this build - beautiful. Did the watch come in at the OEM spec of 12.5mm height with the case you bought?
the dials are a headache...I mean there are plenty of "sterile" options but not the "seiko" stuff. also the case is priced quite steep, but it comes in a few options of bezels and whatnot, hardly looks OEM :) any way we can take this chat offline to dig into more details ?
Im finding a lot of those dials on Ali, but are they really OEM?
i really doubt it
I was wondering the same - I also doubt it
this one looks great Dan, any chance you would sell it to me? cheers, Pete
O relógio ficou maravilhoso pelo preço!
Ótima idéia!
Man you did what i wanted to do since i saw the same video. I really want to make this watch for my self with a black dial. The only thing holding me back is the size of my wrist. 6 1/4 in. :(
I wouldn't let that hold you back. I've got a 6" Wrist and its fine for me.
@@ItsAnotherWatch oh that's great! I will definitely do it as a project. And the sale in AliExpress is incoming. Thank you so much for the inspiration m8. Keep up the good work
The 6R35 beats at 21,600 bph, just like the NH35
I guess its just the power reserve that's different then? I guess that's one less thing against the NH35 for this build then. Thanks for letting me know!
@@ItsAnotherWatch yes, the power reserve and the stated accuracy:
-6R35: -15/+25 seconds per day.
-NH35 (aka 4R35): -20/+40 per day.
Keep the good work with the channel!
Brilliant video,thank you👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
I am amazed how people believe they're buying OEM parts just because Ali says it is. Question: how do you know?
Funny, how the sellers have hundreds of that same dial in stock, sometimes thousands (like a SPB153 turtle dial I was interested in). Tiny details not matching, lume applied slightly different, attractive price (compared to the real thing).
Sounds too good to be true, if you ask me. I have yet to receive that same OEM case (I hope it truly is), but I guess I will have to live with an aftermarket dial or spend 150 bucks or more for the real thing.
Wow, it's really pretty. Can I have a link to where I bought the dial? I can't find the same thing in Ali
This is a different seller from the one I used, but they seem to have the dial in stock: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005004174412238.html and they DO have the logo on them as they're OEM dials.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Oh my gosh! Thank you so much!
@@ItsAnotherWatch sorry but tho the pic didnt have seiko logo. Do they put the logo after we buy them?
@@Palladiumknightrider Yeah, for whatever reason they don't show the seiko logo on the photos but if you were to message the seller and ask for pictures of the dial, you'll see that they do have the logo, since they are OEM dials. So they don't put the logo on them, its already on them from the factory.
@@ItsAnotherWatch thanks and also, does the oem case have seiko logo also? the price difference is quite steep with the other case.
I just bought the Shogun, white dial, titanium for £575. Half price from an AD.
Less than the price of some King Samurais.
May i ask where you bought it? Im looking for exactly that watch but the price puts me off
🤔...Yeah. You can write whatever you like. Name the AD, I'm sure they'd like additional business!
Awesome job - only issue is the $2000 plus I may have to spend to have all the tools 😝
@David Telford haha yep..I just said screw and coughed up the cash ..Sometimes it's just easier that way..
I bought all tools for around 120 bucks, mostly from Amazon
I want one. Pleeeeeeeeeeaaassssseeeee!!!! Quality vid.
Love the build! How do you guys find OEM parts on Ali? all i find are "Mod" parts
Nice one 👍
I’ve just completed a very similar build myself now with oem parts . Except that I’ve got it on a Crafter Blue rubber strap.
I think your later change to the black ceramic bezel insert looks great , but I’m happy with the steel one for now .
Keep up the great videos 😁
Nice job 👍
Hi Dan, I have the same case. The stem and crown are ridiculously wobbly! Was the crown on yours the same, or is mine just broken?
Great mod, but the best line was "enough waffling"...
And a 6 inch wrist? 😮 Have a sausage supper or two dude 😂😂
Great vid and nice build. So aren't these parts supposed to be made at Seiko inhouse? would they be coming from China?
I net they are being made in china
Great work! Able to leave aliexpress links to all those parts?
Thanks very much! I've updated the description for you.
Man your mods are awesome! Just subscribe to your channel. Question - Does the bracelet use a pin and collar system? Or screw pins or friction pins? Cheers mate 🤙🏾
Thanks very much! Yeah, the bracelet uses the pin and collar system. 11:36
I wonder if this case fits a jubilee bracelet, those made for Rolex
Love the build, makes me want to do my own version. Why didn’t you use a ne15 movement wouldn’t that be closer to the original then the nh35
I'll be honest, It completely slipped my mind. But I think the NH35 will do alright anyway.
Are you sure this is really a OEM mm200? Why is there no distortion on the dial. , the edges of the dial minute marks should become a distorted.
Loved these. Question on the Ali dials, looks like these are no longer available. Can you confirm?
Yeah, unfortunately it looks like that's the case. However I WAS able to find a listing for the black dial version: www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003153039009.html
Hi Dan, can you tell me whether your dial is stamped or not? You can tell by the slight halo effect on stamped dials - you can see where the dial surface bends to form the stamped index.
If you're referring to the indices being stamped rather than applied then yeah, its stamped.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Shame! Can't seem to find any dials with applied indices. While I would love a spb207 for a low price it seems to be impossible, I'll think I'll start hunting for the real deal instead. Cool vid though, love your presentation style
@@Altanabstick not to argue, but i watched several videos with this watch, and i clearly could see this halo effect on original dials. Are they stamped also?
@@MrKatsser As far as I am aware that is not the case. I still have my eye out for an original one at a fair price, but they are rare. In the meantime saving up for a BB58 aswell, if I reach that goal before I find this Seiko I think I won't buy it anymore
Quick question, if I put a top hat or super dome crystal on and want to do bezel swaps from time to time, am I going to have to remove the crystal possibly to "push" the bezel into place? Sometimes that requires a crystal press too, right? I'd imagine if the crystal is sticking up, then it would have to come out, put bezel in then put crystal back in. Also, if I'm putting a new crystal in a watch that is mint/new in box, but about 4 years old, is the original crystal gasket usually sufficient? Or do I need to use new crystal gaskets every time I change a crystal? In your opinion? Much appreciated. Thank you
To answer the simpler question first: Yeah if the watch is New in box, but was boxed a few years ago, the crystal gasket is probably fine.
For the first question: It depends on the case you're going with and the diameter of the bezel and crystal. From my experience, most bezels on these dive watches are designed to sit around the edge of the crystal (with a slight gap to allow the bezel to rotate freely) and so its possible to leave the bezel on when removing the crystal.
There are some watches out there that have the crystal and bezel as one piece and others where the bezel might sit over the edge of the crystal. But for the watches with the decent bezel attachment methods, they are simple enough to remove and re-attach anyway, so its not too much trouble to remove the bezel first. And if you're changing the crystal you're going to use a crystal press for it, so when/if the bezel needs to be pressed back on you'll have the press there to use anyway.
And, unless you're bezel is a joined piece with the crystal (like some of the 5KX's have the crystal pressed into the bezel rather than the case) you should be able to swap it without having to touch the crystal.
The best thing you can do it look for specific information about the watch you want to work on, and see if there are any disassembly videos of it, that way you'll know for sure what you're in for when you try to modify it. The answers I've given here are somewhat generalized and based on my experience with SKX mods and might not be so accurate with other models.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Thanks brother. Yeah, speaking of a modern turtle. The nemo orange one. I was looking to put a top hat or super dome so I'd have sapphire. But I want to be able to change bezels for a new look. (and preserve the original insert) I've seen some vids where the bezel can be hard to pop on, so they use the press to push down the bezel into place. But if a crystal is sticking up, it's going to be hard to push the bezel down as the height of the crystal would stop it. A flat crystal would be no problem as it would allow the bezel to be pushed all the way. Thanks again!
Can you comment on the differences between this OEM SPB185 case and the MM300 case from NakomiMods? Are they similar in size and fit on wrist? Which one do you prefer?
I prefer the style and look of the OEM SPB185 case, the sharper angles and the extra curve of the lug tips, plus the smaller grooves on the bezel. Even the bracelet looks better. But in terms of a build that needs a chapter ring, the Namoki MM300 case wins out, not to mention it is FAR more comfortable with all of the edges that contact the wrist on the case and the bracelet being smoother than the SPB185. However, if you were doing a build that had the minute track on the dial instead of the chapter ring, going for the MM300 case will look worse, because a blank brushed chapter ring is larger and uses more space than a case like the SPB185 that minimizes the "chapter ring section" because it doesn't need one.
Also, the Bezel action on the SPB185 OEM case is really firm and fantastic. It's much looser on the Namoki case by comparison.
The crown action on the Namoki MM300 is better too, much smoother. My SPB185 case grinds a bit when screwing down the crown. Makes me wonder if these things end up on aliexpress because they failed some kind of QC at seiko's factory. Still, good value for someone like me who's willing to put up with a less than perfect sample to save money.
So in terms of comfort, with its smooth edges, the Namoki MM300 case wins out. And if you are doing a build with a minute marked chapter ring it will look fantastic. But for dials with the minute track on them rather than the chapter ring, the MM200 case will look better. That being said, i'd be curious to try out modding the Heimdallr Thorn which is an MM200 homage that uses a chapter ring.
Interesting video, is it possible to do something similar with the MM300?
Question, the Dial appears on Alibaba (and initially in your vid.) without the "Seiko" logo up top yet, in your finished product, the dial you show does have the "Seiko" logo printed on it...what gives...??
I actually don't know specifically but it seems that they're not allowed to show the logo on Ali. But if you contact the seller via the chat function on the site, they'll send you images with it visible.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Thanks for getting back to me! Yeah. "T-Watch Mod Store" - Is this the vendor you bought the dial from? They don't respond. Oh! and also , Only the seconds hand is gold, correct? The rest are polished silver. Did you have to purchase 2 sets - one of each...??
@@Dr.Who_84 No, the seller that I got mine from isn't available anymore. Stores tend to pop up and shut down on Ali all the time. You could try finding another shop that has the dial and contact them, but sometimes you have to wait a few days to get a response. (I have gotten responses within 24 hours but it can be a bit of a wait sometimes).
As I mentioned in the video, when ordering the hands from Monster Watches you can ask for a gold second hand. I emailed them directly and got a quick confirmation, but I was later told that you can just add a note to your order with a request for a gold second hand and he'll do it. He actually commented on this video, I believe, confirming that its better to leave the note on the order than email him.
@@ItsAnotherWatch I also found the OEM dial, ("Seiko" and all!) on Weezmods but, they're at least twice as expensive.. Thanks! I'll try that with Monster although, they don't have the silver polished hands in stock currently... so, I'll have to wait a bit, I guess. I appreciate all of your Info./Help! Cheers!!
I see that you have the seconds hand in gold, did you give any instructions to monster watches about this?
would love to build this but having hand problems thats impossible
Very nice, I like it. is there a chapter ring in the case?
Thanks! No there's no chapter ring in this case.
@@ItsAnotherWatch Huh. Alright, I guess it doesn't take away from the looks.
How do you know these parts are OEM?
Although I suppose I can't know for certain. I asked the sellers of the parts if they were actual OEM, they said "Yes They are OEM" and based on the quality of the parts when building with them, I'm inclined to agree. Also given that the cheaper aftermarket options use a different Bezel mechanisms compared to this case I'd say that its OEM. That and a lot of these parts get made in China anyway. Still, any reasons I give are just speculation.
Si este reloj fuese de 46mm sería espectacular.
You are using the wrong movement spacer ring. The grey ring is to short for the oem caseback. You need an black spacer ring. 4R and 6R movements come with an black spacer.
Thanks for letting me know! Fortunately, for the 2 years i've had this watch, the NH35 fits so tightly in the case that its not been an issue at all.
nice
Did you make your Neumann TLM102 with spare parts too? 😂
Would you happen to have links to the case/bracelet?
Is this movement NH35 3 clock and is case 4.1 crown position? I looked at the links, it doesn't say.
The Crown position on the SPB185 case is 3.8 O'clock. So any NH35 will do, since the date disc lines up at both crown positions. If you were doing a NH36 and a dial with a day+date window, you'd need to get a specific 3.8 or 3 o'clock date disc (or a movement that comes with the appropriate one) since its the date disc that doesn't align at both.
What is a better bezel tool?
Do you sell any of these watches or you mod them just for fun?
I just purchase this case and the bezel is very stiff, almost impossible to turn. Did anybody else experience this problems?
Although I can't speak for how stiff the bezel on yours is in comparison to the one on mine. I can confirm that the bezel action on this case is more than twice as firm as my SKX builds. Its more on par with the SNZH55. Its a very firm bezel action. All I can say is, the way to see if its defective or just firm is to give it a full rotation and see if despite being firm that it rotates smoothly. If it grinds then chances are it was pressed on wrong. But if it turns smoothly, and simply requires more to rotate it, then its functioning normally.
Have you ever try to remove the rotating bezel of the case from ali express?
If you're reffering to the aftermarket versions of this case, yeah I have.
There is one with a signed crown and a different bezel insert style that uses a regular click ring like the OEM ones (but a softer bezel motion) and that one is fine, but the others that use the retention wire are a nightmare to put back on with a decent feel to the rotation. So I'd recommend not removing the bezel if you can.
If you're just reffering to this OEM version from AliExpress, yeah they come off and go back on just fine since its an OEM case.
MonsterWatches are known for their quality lume so is it just me or is the lume of the OEM dial and MW hands don’t match?
My camera settings here don't do the OEM/bezel insert lume justice. Although there is a lume difference between the hands and the dial in terms of brightness, in person I can't see it. Heck, just standing near a window for a few seconds makes the whole watch light up when turning around into a dimmer area. I'll have to spend some time figuring out the best settings to show lume with my camera.
Sadly Ali Express and other suppliers have put their prices up.
Have you a link for the dial please Dan Thank you Alan
save the “too green” hands for your next project: 6105.
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