This Is Why You Should Use Mono Backing With Braided Line
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- čas přidán 25. 07. 2024
- Braided line has a ton of benefits, including increased casting distance, thinner diameter, it’s stronger than mono of the same test, and it allows you to feel every nibble and twitch of your bait or lure.
However, here’s one drawback to using braid: it’s complicated to put on a spinning reel.
If you use normal monofilament, you can just fill your reel right up with it, but if you use braid, you need to put a base layer of monofilament on the reel beforehand.
This is called mono backing, and it could save you from losing the biggest fish of your life.
Check out this video to see the two reasons why you should use mono backing with braided line, as well as the two common misconceptions about alternatives to mono backing.
Have any questions about using mono backing?
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1:30 Bought a inshore rod and reel at thrift store for cheap. Thought there was a drag issue then realized the line was loose on the spool. Come to find it was spooled with 30-50 lb braid. Put on a mono backing (which also helped fill the spool) and boom! Inshore setup with braid for $5!!!
What size mono backing did you puton your real?
The best and most useful channel for saltwater fisherman. Keep it up guys!!
Except hes talking absolute rubbish.!
Good video . I've long since switched to wrapping electrical tape on the spool really tight and go with 300 yds of braid . I reverse the braid a year or two later
U answered all 3 off my questions Without me even asking them... Thank you very much
Thanks for this.I Was wondering why I was having trouble with my reel and braid line
This was very informative. I do a lot of surf fishing here in NC and have recently tried braided line. The casting distance is much better! Now I know to spool with mono and top with 100 yards of braid, thank you! I've followed you for a while now and the information is greatly appreciated!
Thanks for watching!
Interesting! thanks Tony maybe a video of how to do a backing??
To be completely honest I haven’t had any issues with a full braided line spool 2500, and 3000 with big fish. First time hearing about this.
Awesome info. Definitely informative for aspiring anglers. Thanks man!
Glad it was helpful!
Great explanation of why to use backing. Thank you
Glad we could help!
Helpful! Thank you!
Mono or fluoro works. Electrical tape works. I usually use a small rubber band. I’ve also used a couple wraps of elastic thread like Atlas miracle thread. Essentially anything will stay fairly stationary against the spool that braid can “bite” into works.
Thanks for the video, Tony. I use 2000, 3000, and 4000 Daiwa LT reels in my inshore fishing in the Mediterranean. The ideal setup for an all-rounder is 3000 size reels and completely filling it with 150 meters of j-braid, 0.16 or 0.18. I don't use backing in this scenario and never had any problems.
But, on occasion, I'm getting spooled by large amberjacks or bonitos. So I got another setup ready for high-risk situations with a 4000 Fuego CXH filled with 300 meters of 0.16 j-braid. I don't use backing here, either. First, I don't want to weaken my line strength when pulling a large fish. Secondly, backing and braid connection knot, double uni, or an FG tends to get in the way when you are casting. I have had more than 10 incidents over the past in the middle of fishing, backing comes on top of the braid, and finally, I gave up. No backing anymore, and pretty happy with it.
Thanks for watching and for the feedback!
Did you ever pull big fish successfully without backing? Just curious...
awesome video and tips. i personally prefer having backing when using braid.
Thanks for the video! Just subscribed!
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Professional as usual
Hello, thanks for the video! But I have some doubts. Should I consider getting a mono backing with the same thickness, or closer test strength? Thank you!
So helpful. Thanks!!!
Glad it was helpful!
What pound test for the mono backing line? And how many yards of backing?
Great vid
Very nice video.
Nice video. I never back my spinning reels with mono. Only my baitcasters. On my spinning I use electrical tape because I need all I can get.
I have a question about not filling the spool completely with braid. If you're saying that a spool .75% full will cause the braid to heat and not last as long due to the line hitting the spool top when casting, wouldn't the same thing happen to the braid on a full spool after the first 25-30 yards is cast off a full spool?
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(Do we need to tie the top braided line with the bottom mono filament backing line?)
On a freshwater meant baitcaster, what lb test mono should I use die backing if I’m using 20 lb braid?
Do you match pound for pound backing to Braid? Also, what length of leader do you run? Lastly, Double Uni, Nail Knot, or FG for leader to braided?
Great article
Thanks for checking it out!
Sure does work!
Does the same apply when using a baitcaster?
I've never backed braid and caught tons of heavy fish. Never a problem.
It is to save money on line that you won't use on the reel.
To solve problem one I always wrap a piece of electrical tape onto the spool before I tie mono or braid on , it bites into the tape and does not spin.
Yup! Welcome home, Brother!
Thats the way to do it. Electrical tape is all you need. The other thing is this buisness of spools that are fitted with a rubber " band" having the adhesive let go is just nonsense I sell and spool reels for a living and have never seen that . And if the adhesive did let go the sheer pressure of the line on the rubber would hold things in place because the rubber naturally wont slip on the bare metal in exactly the same fashion that nylon doesnt slip. And nylons a lot smoother than rubber. This dude is a complete drongo. Do not listen to him.
Exactly. 1 second reply to mr.carr
electrical tape will go gummy over time and make a yucky mess.
Straight braid no backing. Never had a problem. If you get down that low to your spool it’s time to change anyway.
Can I put braided line on a non braided ready spool?
So I didn’t use mono backing do u think it’s possible to salvage the braid already on the spool
How long will be the mono backing?
Some of the newer reels that are "braid-ready" no longer use a rubber strip in the center, instead they use textured metal inside the spool that the braid can "bite into" which I have found works pretty well. I can't speak for saltwater as I fish the Great Lakes which are freshwater. Electrical tape also does the job but should be removed/changed up whenever the reel is re-spooled.
Yup!!
Now i know. Very interesting. I didn't know braid would do that.
Just use tape if you have enough braid to fill the spool.
what knot from the mono to the braid?
Hello sir braid line who is coler bes the fishing.?
There’s a great knot my local tackle shop tied on so there was no need for any backing, flat rate for spooling up so I’d rather all braid anyways, I was skeptical about this “new knot”. Fast forward I broke the reel, took it back to BPS with my gear guard and suffice to say they were impressed with the knot and no need for backing. I have to ask the guy Pete what he tied and how!
Probably a reverse clinch knot
Its not the knot! Its the fact that the braid has been put on tight enough that it grips the spool, which often doesnt happen because of the lack of stretch it has. Mono has stretch and the tension we put on it when spooling means it contracts a bit and is hence very tight! Braid doesnt do this. I would still strongly advise to put some tape on because regardless of the knot you are at some risk of it slipping if your spool gets too wet (to the core). So you should remain skeptical. People try to be clever with silly knots and take a risk with YOUR FISHING. Theres just no need for it. Use tape. Where I work I have to re spool reels very frequently because of this. Its irresponsible what the shop has done with your reel.
mark rigg no it’s definitely the knot and tension. Not to sound condescending but I know my gear and gear in general, this knots the real deal. For two seasons all three reels he spooled up with braid (all 3 spools had factory “braid grooves” keep in mind) had no problems. No need for tape, only mono if I’m looking to save money from now on if this guys spools me up, if I spool myself up that’s a diff story.
Jas L maybe I have to ask next time I’m in the shop.
@@6atlantis Its not the knot. Its just the tension. The knot is only securing one wrap of braid around the core of the spool. You cant get much friction with 1 wrap!. Everything else that happens as you start to fill the reel is due to the tension and pressure of the accumulated wraps of line on top pressing down on the core. Please think about what Im saying carefully.
Thank You.... Have a Question.... New to using Braided Line.... What do you use to Cut it ? I have a Carbon Scissors but it does not cut it clean... Appreciate any help..... Thank You
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good morning this is mr bear from hudson fl. i have noticed that when eny one talks about mono backing no one ever has told us what size mono to use . another words should i use 10lbs mono for 15lbs braid when spooling a spinning reel???????????? thank you i hope you reely do answer.
Consider that the mono likely won't come into play unless you get a fish that goes on a long run, but you still have to join the mono to the braid, so you don't want really thin braid on really thick mono. I use 20lb sufix braid on 10lb mono. That gives me plenty of backing and if the fish goes on a long run, the mono just acts like a tow rope for the braid.
@@moonpiespotlight4759 I came here hoping to find out what type of knots are best for tying backing to braid. I’ve got the FG knot sorted for the braid to leader but was wondering what the norm is for the other end?
@@micknoname6466 I don't fully understand the concept at hand, but have read elsewhere that the pound test of the mono backing does make a difference in the overall functioning of the final braid line you are fishing with. I recollect they advised to use thinner 8# or so test because if you use a heavier, larger diameter mono, there will be more space in between the wraps which your final braid line can more easily dig into, which obviously will result in less smoother casting and shorted distances. These guys invite questions but don't bother to answer them. It's an important consideration which should have been addressed in the content of the video!
Use cohesive gauze tape. You’ll be amazed.
Brother important question can I back up my braided line with mono in my ultralight set up? Would that affect my casting distance?
Sure can!
im fishing inshore. i have a 3000 revros reel. would 50 yards mono and 150 yard braid fit? or would it be too much or too little backing?
10lb mono and 10lb braid
For my daiwa regal 3000 i use 165 yd of 10 lb braid and 100 yd of 9 lb mono, i usually fill it with braid first then attach the mono with double uni knot and fill the gap with cheap mono, the transfer to an empty spool then to another free spool to get the mono on top and finally on my reel, to make it faster i use a drill
if you dont know how much of backing to put on your reel ,then you can spool all braid first then top up with mono filament to max ,then remove onto spare spool and reverse the process .
Great tip! Thanks!!
O did it that way as well.
Is this only with open face reels or baitcasters as well?
With baitcasters you'd use the backing to save braid but you can often tie braid to the spool through the spool itself so no spinning, but you won't be using that last 100 yards or so of braid, but when you get a birds nest or spooled, you'll certainly be losing it.
What knot do you recommend to join the mono to the braid? TIA
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How much of that backing mono should be used before switching to braid? May you said it and I missed it ?
Just use tape if you have enough braid to fill the reel!
I just started using braid I noticed when hooking a giant fish the braid buries itself deep in the spool. this has happened on both bait caster and spinning reels?
Braid not tight enuff on spoil
@@timhelton548 not liking braid my 7K spinnreels have somehow twisted both the 50&60LB braid. I always use a leader w/ a swivel. I have tried to let half the spool out and troll just the line, just like untwisting the anchor line. still twisted. can I still use this twisted braid.Steve from Alabama
If I lose a bit of that braid.. lets say 75 yards out of my 150 yards.. would it be wiser to just replace it entirely or does adding braid on top of old braid work?
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When I used 20 lb braid no leader big bass i go set hook and feel my reel kick wouldn't hook them
Still do t know how much backing to put on? 1/2 1/4, 2/3???
How much mono do u put on before 150 yards of braid? Do you tie the braid to the mono?
1 year ago. I just asked that question 03/29/22 in a way. Did you find out how much backing to put on? I think the reel in the background shows an estimate of fill for mono. See it?
@@ludwig6332 just put enough to cover most of spool once and then tie on braid to mono and start reeling
Does it matter what # test mono you use for the backing?
Nope. Just 10 yards of mono. Any lb test will work.
@@LeskoBrandon2x Depends how much braid you have. You may need a lot more than 10 yards mono if you only have 150 yards of braid and its not enough to fill the spool.
@@thedon9670 then that would be a question of how much braid you decided to buy. You don’t need anymore than 10 yards of mono. The next step is filling up your spool with braid. If you need more than 150, buy a bigger spoil.
What knot do you use to the backing mono
Popular knot to spool is the arbor knot. Then follow that up with a GT knot or uni for mono to braid
what diameter mono should I use for example 0.18mm braid
Was wondering the same, going for 0.3 though
Good morning how much mono & poundage do you use?
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Great Vid. Ever tried flipping your braid by going from reel to reel to save two steps?
If Tony or anyone else can help me out... does the mono backing have to be the same size line as your braid??? For instance, 20lb mono for 20lb braid, or 50lb mono for 50lb braid???
No it doesnt . Please remember that nylon 20 lb is a different diameter to 20lb, so its size is not the same. If you have enough braid to fill the reel, there is no need to use nylon mono to get it to grip. Just use some electrical tape. It is literally a waste of time using nylon. I cant stress enough that the advise in this vid is very poor. I spool dozens of customers reels per week and have been doing that for 26 years and I can tell you so many anglers get things wrong. Be very careful about taking advise from youtube "experts"!
@@markrigg6623 its also a waste of money putting 400 yards of braid on a spool.
Tim I generally stick with a light mono as it will lay better on the spool (8 to 10lb) which allows the braid to lay better as well.
@@tonyacevedo3149 Yes that's right. Don't use really thick backing with thin braid on top as it doesn't pack down well due to the unevenness of the thick nylon.
@@markrigg6623 so for 26 years you have been getting customers to fill their spools with braid to make more profit. Nice..
Im running 20lb braid on my baitcasters with mono backing. I recently just ripped it all off because the braid would dig into itself, and stop mid cast/snap my hooks and weight off. Sometimes it even looked like the braid made a loop around another part of the braid. Should i up the lb of braid? I use powerpro. It was put on with resistance so it wasnt loose, brakes and everything was set to what i was rigged up with. I fish in texas bays, i run green braid, and there are also oysters bed sometimes. Thanks
From another video, spool the braid with a lot of tension to get it tight, and it shouldn't bite.
I wanna change mono with braided line, how much mono i should left on my spinning reel before i put braided linw?
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@@Saltstrong I am first time on a braided line, all the time i was catching on mono, here in Croatia- Adriatic sea , part of the Mediterrean in this part of year i fish mostly squids and cuttlefish( eging) or fish like atlantic bonito and seabass( actually few more but i don't know english name for these fishes, seabass is actually the rare catch cause it's very smart and cunning fish, the bigger they are they are harder)
How often do you guys have a fish take you down to the backing?
hi, as a beginner, when using mono and braided lines how much mono should go on the reel first? thanks
I'm also a beginner. I'm just using mono to cover a reel surface just a little bit.
Is the braided line attached to the mono backing? If so, how is it attached?
no..the braided line is attached to thin air, lmaoooooo🤦♂️
I just tape my mono and braided together.
I just use electric tape, works like a charm and lets me load more braid with higher capacity.
Thanks for sharing
I have a buddy who swears by this, but I blew him off. Personally I've never had an issue. If I ever do though, I'll keep this in mind.
Idk what people are doing but I spoil braid straight to my reel and it never slips
Why does the reel need to be full all the way? Do you just need to put enough mano to cover the spool
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Been workin in the tackle industry 40+ years and spool reels everyday...maybe how you do it on eastcoast..but here on the west coast we use a turn of electrical tape on arbor to lock braid to spool and then fill from a bulk spool of line to ensure proper filling..leaving room for a floro or mono topshot...that way you have capacity for long runs,which you loose when only putting on 150 yards and having mono on bottom that over time becomes weaker with salt and compression from braid and possibly losing a fish of a lifetime due to line failer and lack of capacity
Also you do save money in the longrun filling off bulk spools wether from a shop or DYI..as braid can last 7-10 years if cared for. While only putting 150yards on you will end up replacing more often if you fish alot thus spending more on small filler spools
Yup
This is true for the bigger pelagic fishing gear but for the 3000 - 4000 series reels, you're likely not going to have 150 yard runs. If you do the braid isn't going to save you.
My buddy did it once I laughed and felt bad.. but mostly laughed
I think it's the calculation of mono backing to braid that is the big question. I have a new 4000 reel but I'm told that different brands of reels don't hold the same yardage of line as other brands of 4000 reels. I have a 300 yard spool of 832 braid and I'd like to use it on two different reels. I guess I'll have to break out my college calculus book......
Different reels will hold different amounts of different weight line
@@Saltstrong Thank you. That was my assumption. I think different braids have different diameters, too. I'd assume 8-strand is thicker than four. I guess I could still be okay with the quarter inch measure.
I'll just stick to using electrical tape because every time I use mono backing the braid eventually ends up digging into the spool at some point and that ends up pissing me off. and if I use electrical tape I can just tie it directly to the spool and it won't slip because the rubbery texture gives it something to grip onto. And my uncle Ryan's the same way too he uses electrical tape and he prefers it as well over mono backing.
For those of you that never have this problem of your line spinning on your reel... do you fish in the winter at all? This is the only time it happens for me. And I'm about to switch to some mono backing.
I'm gonna hold off on the electrical tape as that seems excessive if mono backing works.
ive done mono backing from the very start just to use less braid and never had any issue whatsoever. The braid is so thin that spooling the whole reel with braid for most people just makes no sense...if you use a small reel then you should spool the whole thing probably idk
I've never had that problem, yet
can i use electrical tape as back up?
I use electric tape. works great.
until it goes gummy after a while and makes a big gooey mess.
@@thedon9670 , ahhh. You poor baby.
@@robertcornelius3514 just use good quality tape and it will not get gummy
Super glue works good too better for salt water. I got a good system for Superglu but I honestly don't use it I just use electrical tape
I still don’t understand the point of backer to fill your spool.
Like you will end up using the line anyway. If you have 300 yards of line and put all 300 on or 150 on with 100 yards backer at some point you’ll use the other 150. I must be missing something
Why the backing line is much lower strength than the braid?
Here's a great article and video on that topic: www.saltstrong.com/articles/what-size-mono-backing-for-spinning-reels/
Had just braid on my Michell 308 and it all spun right off
You basic premise, that backing prevents line slip is incorrect. The practice of adding "backing" to line was introduced originally in English fly fishing where silk lines were used. Backing added length because of the smaller diameter of the line which allowed greater line length. Further, because of the lower quality materials, then wood was the predominant material, compression built up as the line was wound under tension and would warp or destroy the spool. In20th century, when aluminum became the material of choice the tension issue emerged again. Backing provides a cushion for the arbor. Mono is worse because of it's ability to stretch, thus increasing the tension on the arbor. Dacron is the preferred material.
Ive worked in the industry for 26 years and have never seen an aluminium spool distorted by the pressure of nylon. Its all we used to use! There is no need whatsoever to use dacron. Backing is used for several different reasons as well. !
@@markrigg6623 I also work in the industry. Much of my life in the 80's and 90's was spent rigging fly gear for bill fishermen and salmon anglers.
He is right about fly reels, especially older ones like the Medalist or any of the old Hardy Lightweight or Marquis series.
Like you though I have never seen a modern spinning reel or conventional reel distort. It just does not happen with a modern reel...including many fly reels now available.
When we started putting braid on bluewater fly reels we found out fast that the line would slip. The bass guys were a few years ahead of us though and we learned to use some mono backing from them. Tape came later and rubber even later.
Backing reels other than delicate fly reels has a pretty established history especially with the advent of monofilament but not because of spool distortion so much as line characteristics. Many big game fishermen employed mono as a shock absorber. Dacron and linen line stretch no more that Spectra/Dyneema. They are just "fatter" for a given diameter. Sometimes you want the casting characteristic of one line but need capacity.
Another reason is casting characteristics or abrasion resistence.
Braid on a conventional long casting rig with no level wind is a nightmare.
If the line lay is less than perfect it buries itself. I am talking about rigs casting 100 to 200 yards on a conventional reel with no level wind.
Mono on TOP here is more castable and gives abraision resistance.
The braid underneath gives capacity and with pressure from the leviathan the problem of line being buried is mitigated. You do still need backing, tape or rubber underneath to prevent slipping though.
I use this kind of setup for oversize sturgeon from the bank...
Just a comment or two...
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@@seanwoodburn2616 Thanks for the input Sean and everything you say makes sense. Cheers!
I think this is just general information and not a history lesson
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Roland Martin just uses super glue and glues the line right to the spool.
There is no valid braid knot on regular spools. As it shown on the video, there is a braid ready spool, but it is much cheaper if use mono backing. Most of braid which is manufactured of trusty brand cost a lot. And we always need new size, new colours and it hard to afford it. So we quite often by a 150 meters and that is not enough to fill up the spool because the braid is thin. Again, the mono backing is smart way the fill up the gap. Don't let anyone full you that, there is a good braid knot for regular spool. And, if I may say, the best knot for connecting the backing mono and braid is the double uni knot.
Hi, thabks for the info. Whats the name of the name of the braid spool knot?
Use tape, even cheaper!
For me its because when casting, you never use a full spool. Its pointless filling an entire spool with expensive braid when you dont need it. Fill the spool first with cheap mono that will never leave the spool then top up with braid
Thanks for watching!
You can also learn how to tie a knot that won't slip it is so easy it took me 5 min to learn it and it works great
Brother give me one stick please...
No, go buy yourself.
You know what would be great? If braid manufactures would somehow mark their line every 25 or 50 yards with a change in color for a foot or so.
They do make that, usually used for offshore deep dropping baits
Great idea for PE braided line factories!
If i order 300 yard braided line at the local angler shop they put some little peaces of utility tape every 50 yard.
Get multicolour braid they usually change colour at different lengths like every 20 yards for eg
Its scary that nonsense like this can be put out to the public. Just use electrical tape, and if your reel has a spool we pre installed rubber, do not get in a panic about the glue letting go. On some reels there is no glue! Rubber grips metal better than nyon line, with or without glue . Holy crap.
you've been ripping customers off for years getting them to buy way more braid than they need to you can make more money. Not cool. Mono backing saves a lot of money and has always worked well.
@@thedon9670 No I use mono backing all the time with 150 yd rolls of braid. Its only when they insist on a full spool of braid, which is a legitimate thing to do for some applications, that I use electrical tape. You might want to put your brain into gear before you accuse people of things matey.
Really? 150 m braid is like what? 25-30$?
Is that so expesive that you cant afford to buy a new one once every 3-5 years?
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Braided line will not slip...That's an old myth.....Watch the beyond braid video.....I have never had it slip either....
Never used backing for 25 years.. I've always used electric tape must be a new gen thing
Whatever works for you!