Dude why did people hate this guy? He was a great actor as *NOT* Joker. Jerome was more chaotic and destructive. Jeremiah was more sinister and mastermind.
I love how the Valeskas embody the 2 main elements that make the Joker such an iconic character in DC's whole character gallery; psychotic and chaotitc. Jerome just wanted to see the world burn and enjoyed inflicting physical pain and seeing that suffering. While Jeremiah is more cold and calculated, he took more pleasure in seeing 1 person suffer psychologically
I agree. Conceptually the Valeska Twins played both extremes perfectly. And in a way they also embodied one of Joker's lasting traits (a past that is in multiple choice).
You can tell Cameron Monaghan had a blast with Jerome/Jeremiah he always stole the show whenever he was on screen even his last scene was dead sinister loved this man's performance.
Jeremiah eating from Bruce's plate, despite having his own plate, was a nice touch. It's not only a dominant gesture (power play) but in this case it's also very intimate. Quentin Tarantino knew this best.
It pretty much serves as a simple interpretation of how Jeremiah was trying to force his way into Bruce's life which is what he was trying to do in the episode.
“So what do I call you?” “Ohhhh... I don’t know call me... Jack! No no no, that’s not right. Uhh Joseph! John, J, I don’t know I just... I feel something new, crawling out of the primordial ooze that was me. Something... beautiful.” Jack - The Joker’s name was Jack Napier in Batman ‘89 Joseph - The Joker’s name was Joseph Kerr in the graphic novel Batman: Going Sane John - The Joker’s name was John Doe in Batman: The Telltale Series J - Harley has called The Joker “Mr. J” on multiple occasions These fucking geniuses somehow managed to call him The Joker without flat-out saying he was The Joker so they wouldn’t get sued by WB... kudos Gotham creative team. Kudos.
@@orlandovazquez8694 basically WB told the makers of Gotham they couldn't use the green hair, purple suit, or name of the joker so as not to 'dilute the brand'. Officially according to the makers neither Jerome or Jeremiah is the joker, but everyone knows one or both of them are
Gotham:(gets told they can't use Joker) What might as well have been Gotham's response: f you, not only are we gonna use Joker, we will use TWO JOKERS!!
@@Bigbigger1009 um..... actually it's not. Sure, the basic concept of it has been said before, but you're not likely to find another one worded this way. Also, you're talking about a character that was clearly made to be as close to Joker as can be, originality didn't have much part in that. The most original thing about Jeremiah was making him bald.
Noblesse Oblige No offence, but Cameron M cannot stand in that midst.. Ledger and Joaquin are the only two. Even Nicholson now fades. But this one - is just outdated at the moment it was made..
Looking at the whole body of work I must say Cameron pulled off an admirable rendition. Its honestly among the most versatile of the bunch with the various changes and risky decisions that I feel paid off. His acting range was very strong for what he had to pull off.
17:12 the best scene just love the way he swings that knife but ill be honest i miss Jerome i think his laugh was the thing that hooked us all in that's the only thing Jeremiah is missing
Tim Fischer that's good. Most of the actors did well I felt. Penguin's demeanor is different but everyone else except maybe Catwoman (unless you mean year one) is comic accurate in this show. In terms of how they are. Well maybe not Bane but he's not bad
That's because he expected her to come the whole time as part of his plan to fake his death so her and Bruce wouldn't interfere with his sick "Re-enact the murder of the Waynes" plan.
Jerome was prototype joker but...Jeremiah, he is joker. He has the white makeup, the purple suit, the maniacal laugh. He even fell into a vat of chemicals for crying out loud. He is the Joker, plain and simple. When Jim asked him in S5 finale what to call him, he should have said “Call me Joker”
@Professor J more of a British inflection. He also started to draw out certain words and put quick stops to others. It seems like it was kind of the halfway point between his S4 voice and his voice in the finale where it's higher pitched and the British inflection is a bit stronger. The finale voice seems to take a lot of Mark Hamill influence, as it should, but it's different enough that Cameron Monaghan makes it his own. The main difference I noticed is how he said, "How...exciting", I assume his voice was supposed to sound like it sustained some damage from the acid.
I hope that in future there will be a spinoff of Gotham. I'd really like to see that happen, Cameron played Joker with three peronas and i see him as a promising actor
First off, I want to say I absolutely love Jerome and Jeremiah and showed perfectly both sides of The Joker. Second, I want to comment on how much I love that they hinted that Joker always knew Batman’s secret identity which is also sprinkled throughout the Bat’s history
Not to mention their transformations into their Joker persona. With Jeremiah alone there was Xander, then the monotone Jeremiah and after that the full post-spray Jeremiah. And of course after he dropped in the chemical bath.
I do recall being a bit bummed that they changed up the performance for Jeremiah between Seasons 4 and 5, but I still enjoyed this portrayal. Jeremiah was much more emphatic of the super-sanity bit in season 4, about being so utterly in control of yourself it appeared insane (i.e. flat affect, no emotion). Jeremiah in Season 5 still retains that sort of alien-ness to emotion, like he doesn't really behave totally normally with regards to his inappropriate laughter and eerily flat-sounding voice, but he's also got a bit more of a pep to him, as well as engaging in more openly insane gestures like licking a knife and all that, plus not a single mention of the super-sane philosophy he was invoking in season 4. They could've fixed it easily if they'd just included some lines about Jeremiah in season 5 being noted of losing further control of himself as the gas continues to eat away at his sanity. Maybe a bit more to show Jeremiah struggling with his stranger impulses, like licking the knife or inappropriately laughing. Then when we finally get him to dip in the acid, we can see that as the final melting away of his impulses so that when he comes back out he's just entirely delusional and irrational and manic, all the while still retaining his intelligence -- in short, classic Joker, though perhaps with a bit of Pennywise mixed in to add that alien factor. That progression would've made a lot more sense for such things like why Mr. J feels he's no longer the person he was, that sort of thing.
They didn't really have a choice. They had to finish the story on Season 5 (even though they wanted to end the show on Season 7) so they had to speed things up and make Jeremiah's change a lot faster.
But they could've made Jeremiah lose his memory. And him die in No Man's Land so nobody knows if it's Jeremiah or someone else. Because he has the intelligence of Jeremiah but some random guy fell in the chemicals a couple days before the emergence of the Joker.
@@TheMiksonPL If the show did end up going to season 7, it would have been interesting to see how Jeremiah would have evolved over two more seasons. Interesting to think about.
@@BigLTheBestMC I think that we would end up with the same Jeremiah we had in Season 5, but in Season 5 & 6 we would see how he evolves to become the Joker. The whole thing was really pushed, but they didn't have a choice...
@Brian G. I preferred Season 4 Jeremiah but I like his S5 characterisation too. I think his cold unfeeling attitude in S4 was an attempt to hold his insanity back and pretend he was sane because admitting his insanity would have involved admitting that Jerome was right about Jeremiah being as crazy and evil as he was and Jeremiah hated Jerome so much he'd sooner have killed himself than admit Jerome was right about anything. According to Cameron Monaghan the success of Jeremiah's plan to destroy Gotham inflated his ego even more than it already was to the point where he stopped holding back and started showing more of his craziness. The Season 4 episode One Bad Day before Jeremiah meets Ra's Al Ghul the way Jeremiah says "How did they figure you out" sounds more like Jerome's gravelly voice than Jeremiah's cold and emotionless one which suggests being sprayed by the gas caused him to develop a split personality based on Jerome. It happens again in a Season 5 episode where before Ecco's comes to talk to him Jeremiah's arguing with himself about Bruce saying "He'll like it" in his own voice and "No he won't" in Jerome's. He was probably talking about the random couple he gave plastic surgery to look like Bruce's parents. In Jeremiah's sick mind he was bringing Bruce's parents back as a "present" that he was convinced Bruce would thank him for and become his friend because of it. Since Jerome would have probably said that the plan was stupid if he was alive Jeremiah's apparent split personality version of Jerome in his head said the same.
This is what signifies him as the Joker rather than Jerome. Jerome wanted Bruce dead no matter what. Jeremiah has a twisted view on the relationship between him and Bruce, as he says.. They are bound together. THAT'S Joker.
Jeremiah revealed his motives long time ago, and people is not able to get it. Jeremiah: I Imagine you're wondering: "Why Jeremiah's doing this?" My brother once said all it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. Jerome gave me what I thought was the worst day of my life. But only by losing everything was I able to face what was inside me. And I believe I've seen something very special - inside of you as well. But, to free it, you'll have to lose everything and everyone you hold dear.
22:53 the way he looks to batman, like if he have found something he have been looking for years, the way he laughs at his hand he found the thing he loves the most
ecco was supposed to be harley quinn tho they way they made it, maybe someone later comes up and replaces her, or maybe theirs MULTIPLE harley quinns that eventually die and get replaced, considering he had facial reconstructive surgery for his plan, wouldn't be surprised if he did the same for the new "harleys" allowing him to essentially try to recreate ecco or something as well as maintain the appearance of one harley
Glad the last season finally got a proper Joker. IDC what anyone says Jeremiah is DEFINITELY the joker. By far the best villain ever in Gotham and an amazing actor to play him. Just wish he appeared in more episodes in season 5 though.
I love Cameron Monaghan he was perfect to play a Joker like person. I hope to see him on the big screen. Also 15:30-15:34 Did Jeremiah’s men steal Luis’s horn?
Well of course. He isn’t talking in a deep voice, having thugs dressed in Halloween costumes, or dressed like a gangster. And a this is a small detail but *HE ACTUALLY LAUGHS LIKE THE JOKER*
@@xdmellor7562 well i do remember the reading around season 2 the writers said in an article, that Batman would show up "at the end of the series". Which makes sense because once Batman shows up, it's no longer "Gotham" it's "Batman".
Have any of you noticed in season 4 he thinks he's sane talks normal but creepy but in season 5 before he falls in the acid he talks and acts like a little bit of jerome and joker
@@DarkNexus530 I think they honestly came out with an even better interpretation thanks to Cameron's stellar acting skills and that they didn't have to conform to any one "Joker" since they didn't have the rights anyways. Two very distinct styles of Joker but both feel right. Also the whole "two jokers in every deck" thing with them being twins and all.
DC didn't want to have two live action jokers at the same time, so they just invested in Jared Letto's joker instead, which i find dumb not just because letto's was a bad joker, but also because they had no real reason to not lend the rights of the name to fox
And investing in Leto's Joker turned out to be a waste of time because he was shit and Joaquin Phoenix surpassed him in every way. Leto's also an extremely petty man since he tried to stop the Joker film from being released out of jealousy that Phoenix was a better Joker than him. And while he was filming Suicide Squad he did disgusting shit like give his fellow cast members dead rats and used condoms and justified it as "getting into character" even though no version of The Joker has given anybody dead rats or used condoms.
@@menames184 basically. a guy said to bruce wait “bruce, you’re supposed to be dead” and bruce said “sorry to disappoint. i don’t think it was an exact reference because of the use of different characters but it went like that
15:03 Thinking about it now this bit is based on Dark Knights Metal where one universe's Joker kills loads of people and Batman is eventually forced to kill him but Joker turns his world's Batman into The Batman Who Laughs in death.
To the people saying Bruce killed Jeremiah, if you look very closely you can see the batarang doesn't stick in his head, and it instead bounces out of his head.
Yeah. I think they only got 12 episodes as opposed to the usual 22 of the other 4 seasons so they had to rush certain things which is why Jeremiah appeared less than he should have, why the Ventriloquist was killed off in the episode where he first got Scarface, why the Gotham versions of Nyssa Al Ghul and Bane were so bad, why most of Riddler's storyline was him being controlled by Bane and so on.
@@Xehanort10 I agree! Maybe the last season could have been 10 years later with Jeremiah as the Joker like character, Penguin and Riddler in their improved costumes, the birth of Two Face, more time with Bane, Ventriliquist, and Mr. Freeze. The Riddler sucked in the last season, as Ed was never so much a byatch as he was in this last season.
1 actor...2 different style of joker👌 love this man.
Busted Out
That shows how talented he is.
3 actually.
@@ryank794 Who is the third one?
VOLAIRE'S MINION the very last one.
@@ryank794 You mean when he falls in the vat? That was Jeremiah though. Still the second guy, just with a changed personality.
Jeremiah! This ends... tonight!
*Nooooo. No Bruce. Now it begins! Hahaha!*
Most Joker and Batman conversation I've ever heard
I love it.
Jeremiah is so underrated he’s a great portrayal of the “Joker”🃏
I know . I loved this
He’s a portrayal of the 70’s-90’s in a way with the top hats and weird suits but Jerome represents the modern day joker
I love Jeremiah it's a joker that has never been seen on live action before. A joker that is calm calculated that hides his insanity
I agree he’s one of my favorites
Best younger Joker
Dude why did people hate this guy? He was a great actor as *NOT* Joker.
Jerome was more chaotic and destructive.
Jeremiah was more sinister and mastermind.
J was both, so he was the Joker
I like the use of twins to portray the duality of the joker's personality
did they really have to kill all of the jokers
@Igor Bosnjak idk did they
@Igor Bosnjak i'm pretty sure that killed him it went right in his hand and head.
I love how the Valeskas embody the 2 main elements that make the Joker such an iconic character in DC's whole character gallery; psychotic and chaotitc. Jerome just wanted to see the world burn and enjoyed inflicting physical pain and seeing that suffering. While Jeremiah is more cold and calculated, he took more pleasure in seeing 1 person suffer psychologically
I agree. Conceptually the Valeska Twins played both extremes perfectly. And in a way they also embodied one of Joker's lasting traits (a past that is in multiple choice).
You can tell Cameron Monaghan had a blast with Jerome/Jeremiah he always stole the show whenever he was on screen even his last scene was dead sinister loved this man's performance.
There’s always two Jokers in every deck of cards.
When you try to steal a comment off another video
stole the comment 😂😂😂😂
Unoriginal
Hey man I’m a villain it’s what I do.
DomeGD
Also not if you round down.
"Lets do like my daddy did before my 6th birthday; Move out!"
That line deserves an award
Ouch!!!
@666LaVey666 Wtf.
I FUCKING SPAT AT THAT
Actually made me laugh for once. (and cringe)
Jeremiah eating from Bruce's plate, despite having his own plate, was a nice touch. It's not only a dominant gesture (power play) but in this case it's also very intimate. Quentin Tarantino knew this best.
It pretty much serves as a simple interpretation of how Jeremiah was trying to force his way into Bruce's life which is what he was trying to do in the episode.
@@LMLR187 It was and I definitely liked that they had him do that. I laugh every time I see that part because he's such a brat
Lolly LouWho
“So what do I call you?”
“Ohhhh... I don’t know call me... Jack! No no no, that’s not right. Uhh Joseph! John, J, I don’t know I just... I feel something new, crawling out of the primordial ooze that was me. Something... beautiful.”
Jack - The Joker’s name was Jack Napier in Batman ‘89
Joseph - The Joker’s name was Joseph Kerr in the graphic novel Batman: Going Sane
John - The Joker’s name was John Doe in Batman: The Telltale Series
J - Harley has called The Joker “Mr. J” on multiple occasions
These fucking geniuses somehow managed to call him The Joker without flat-out saying he was The Joker so they wouldn’t get sued by WB... kudos Gotham creative team. Kudos.
Call Me Jack
Jack Haha Jack Is Dead My Friend You Can Call Me Joker
Why would they get sued by wb for calling him Joker, this is DC,WB. I don't get it he's supposed to be Joker, right?
I am 14 and this is deep.
@@orlandovazquez8694 basically WB told the makers of Gotham they couldn't use the green hair, purple suit, or name of the joker so as not to 'dilute the brand'. Officially according to the makers neither Jerome or Jeremiah is the joker, but everyone knows one or both of them are
It’s not that creative I mean... they just used Jokers we’ll known past aliases.
20:12 - one of the most terrifying scenes - the way he said okay, all three different.. all three terrifying
🎵hush little Barbara's, dont say a🎵 ... word.
Damn you're right that was scary as shit. Perfect Joker voice.
@@ReservoirPunk Cameron Monaghan is my favorite joker ever but Mark Hamill is the perfect joker voice
Jeremiah is hot
Well it's true the Joker has always been hot!
Gotham:(gets told they can't use Joker)
What might as well have been Gotham's response: f you, not only are we gonna use Joker, we will use TWO JOKERS!!
Jerry Glen lovell try being more original, like Jeremiah
@@Bigbigger1009 Jeremiah ain't all that original.
Jerry Glen lovell take a look at your comment, then talk about originality.
Oh wait, you cant.
The comment you made is 100% copied
@@Bigbigger1009 um..... actually it's not. Sure, the basic concept of it has been said before, but you're not likely to find another one worded this way. Also, you're talking about a character that was clearly made to be as close to Joker as can be, originality didn't have much part in that. The most original thing about Jeremiah was making him bald.
Jerry Glen lovell it doesnt really matter if worded differently.
Thats a wise choice,
A wise choice, that is.
Its practically the same thing
7:08 I love how jeremiah is like "Sure" Xd
It's like that scene in The Dark Knight
"You think can steal from us and get away with it?
*"Yeah"*
Cameron Monaghan's Joker (Jeremiah) deserves to be on the big screen.
He sounds a lot like heath ledger
Nah its cringe
He really does
@@superdogsamtheawesome1609 but he looks like Jack Nicholson
If Matt Reeves ever decides to use The Joker, he should cast Cameron Monaghan.
Hollywood: I bet nobody is gonna be like Ledger.
Cameron Monaghan: Call.
Joaquin Phoenix: All in.
Noblesse Oblige No offence, but Cameron M cannot stand in that midst.. Ledger and Joaquin are the only two. Even Nicholson now fades. But this one - is just outdated at the moment it was made..
Imaru Lewis You’re allowed to disagree, buddy.
Random Justificator i agree with you but still, Cameron deserves recognition for the role
Looking at the whole body of work I must say Cameron pulled off an admirable rendition. Its honestly among the most versatile of the bunch with the various changes and risky decisions that I feel paid off. His acting range was very strong for what he had to pull off.
@@LMLR187 Cameron is awesome,he is MUCH more comic accurate. and Mark Hamill trumps them all!
“Without me YOU’RE JUST A JOKE... Without a punch line.” -Jeremiah Valeska
*WITHOUT ME YOU'RE JUST A JOKE... without a punch line*
- Jeremiah Valeska
"I'm sorry to cut tonight short, but your parents and I have a very important date."
"Jeremiah!"
"With destiny!"
Fucking hilarious script 10/10
5:57 Took me literally months for me to understand Alfred was saying
“How’d you find your way off the bloody ISLAND anyway”
This, Ladies and Gentlemen, is acting at its finest.
*are acting
@@newperspectivevisual9276 *is acting
I dunno comin from u Rick grimes that last episode u were in was pretty damn good acting as well
It really isn't. It's barely acting. You're delusional.
@Marana HAHAHAHAHAH SAYS THE ONE WHO WATCHES ANIME LMAO
I love Jeremiah. He’s one of my favorite characters!
My favorite Jeremiah joker is before his face was fucked up and he was a genius and more sociopath than psycho
The laugh at 4:56 is short, but oh so sweet. Cameron is so freaking amazing.
17:12 the best scene just love the way he swings that knife but ill be honest i miss Jerome i think his laugh was the thing that hooked us all in that's the only thing Jeremiah is missing
jeremiah's laugh is better, but he rarely does it.
its usually like a short burst of 2-3 seconds at most then he stops and gets all emotionless again
@@DivineXPotato nah i like jeromes laugh better
Is The Joker, not The Laughter
Jeremiah/J literally took a batarang to the palm, and fucking laughed it off! A testament to the Joker's insane pain tolerance.
As a 30 year old man who grew up obsessed with all things Batman, damn good job playing the role of the Joker. Kudos sir
Tim Fischer that's good. Most of the actors did well I felt. Penguin's demeanor is different but everyone else except maybe Catwoman (unless you mean year one) is comic accurate in this show. In terms of how they are. Well maybe not Bane but he's not bad
He is the star of the show
jeremiah has anger issues
Don't we all, my friend?
Dont we All and I don't have Anger Issues I'm just Crazy
2:29 In the background jeremiah actually looks at selina
That's creepy as hell
That's because he expected her to come the whole time as part of his plan to fake his death so her and Bruce wouldn't interfere with his sick "Re-enact the murder of the Waynes" plan.
@@Iampeeb yeah that quick turn around. Jesus
Jeremiah: Bruce Wayne is a king!!!
Jerome: if he breathes....he's a thoooooooootttttt!!!!
9:06
I CAN’T GET OVER THAT LOOK HE LOOKS SO SWEET AND INNOCENT QUQOWOAKNFJEIQKS
He looks so good 😂 like as Joker, he’s really good at it too. I hope he gets a movie role
Jerome was prototype joker but...Jeremiah, he is joker.
He has the white makeup, the purple suit, the maniacal laugh. He even fell into a vat of chemicals for crying out loud.
He is the Joker, plain and simple.
When Jim asked him in S5 finale what to call him, he should have said “Call me Joker”
Only problem is that Gotham wasn't allowed to let him say that. Warner Bros didn't allowed them to use the word "Joker".
@@ImSparky2002I wonder why? Weird since the show is literally about a young Batman.
Jeremiah voice change since season 4 and 5
Maybe it's the tunnel fumes.
@@leafyishereisdumbnameakath4259 More likely him realizing that he's insane and embracing it.
@Professor J more of a British inflection. He also started to draw out certain words and put quick stops to others. It seems like it was kind of the halfway point between his S4 voice and his voice in the finale where it's higher pitched and the British inflection is a bit stronger. The finale voice seems to take a lot of Mark Hamill influence, as it should, but it's different enough that Cameron Monaghan makes it his own. The main difference I noticed is how he said, "How...exciting", I assume his voice was supposed to sound like it sustained some damage from the acid.
@@kalebbarber2527 yeah
Both twins went through major voice changes as they became more insane.
I think Valeska is great new Joker Origin Story
@@garing6 both, because for me Jerome and Jeremiah Valeska have their own crazy kind of a Joker.
I hope that in future there will be a spinoff of Gotham. I'd really like to see that happen, Cameron played Joker with three peronas and i see him as a promising actor
2019 the year of Batman related stuff
-Gotham season 5
-Joker
-Titans Season 2
-Robert Pattinson annouced as the new Batman
-Batwoman TV series
Also Batman 80th Anniversary
When batwoman?
Sean Whelan Whelan batwoman is terrible
Batwoman sucks lmao
23:05 I have no clue why I loved this but I think it was Jeremiah’s infatuation with Bruce and how he came back to show him up
First off, I want to say I absolutely love Jerome and Jeremiah and showed perfectly both sides of The Joker. Second, I want to comment on how much I love that they hinted that Joker always knew Batman’s secret identity which is also sprinkled throughout the Bat’s history
Cameron Monaghan was 2 differents Joker, amazing.
Not to mention their transformations into their Joker persona. With Jeremiah alone there was Xander, then the monotone Jeremiah and after that the full post-spray Jeremiah. And of course after he dropped in the chemical bath.
@@ichigokage It was amazing.
11:35
I kinda wanna try that grilled sandwich
Same tbh
Me too!
What after he stuck it in his mouth? Lmao 😂
@@RachelWayneee yep
@@lukekiely2450 Omg- I mean- wouldn’t be the worst thing…
I love the Gotham joker at the end
I love that Jeremiah /instantly/ recognized Bruce behind the disguise.
I do recall being a bit bummed that they changed up the performance for Jeremiah between Seasons 4 and 5, but I still enjoyed this portrayal. Jeremiah was much more emphatic of the super-sanity bit in season 4, about being so utterly in control of yourself it appeared insane (i.e. flat affect, no emotion). Jeremiah in Season 5 still retains that sort of alien-ness to emotion, like he doesn't really behave totally normally with regards to his inappropriate laughter and eerily flat-sounding voice, but he's also got a bit more of a pep to him, as well as engaging in more openly insane gestures like licking a knife and all that, plus not a single mention of the super-sane philosophy he was invoking in season 4.
They could've fixed it easily if they'd just included some lines about Jeremiah in season 5 being noted of losing further control of himself as the gas continues to eat away at his sanity. Maybe a bit more to show Jeremiah struggling with his stranger impulses, like licking the knife or inappropriately laughing. Then when we finally get him to dip in the acid, we can see that as the final melting away of his impulses so that when he comes back out he's just entirely delusional and irrational and manic, all the while still retaining his intelligence -- in short, classic Joker, though perhaps with a bit of Pennywise mixed in to add that alien factor. That progression would've made a lot more sense for such things like why Mr. J feels he's no longer the person he was, that sort of thing.
They didn't really have a choice. They had to finish the story on Season 5 (even though they wanted to end the show on Season 7) so they had to speed things up and make Jeremiah's change a lot faster.
But they could've made Jeremiah lose his memory. And him die in No Man's Land so nobody knows if it's Jeremiah or someone else. Because he has the intelligence of Jeremiah but some random guy fell in the chemicals a couple days before the emergence of the Joker.
@@TheMiksonPL If the show did end up going to season 7, it would have been interesting to see how Jeremiah would have evolved over two more seasons. Interesting to think about.
@@BigLTheBestMC I think that we would end up with the same Jeremiah we had in Season 5, but in Season 5 & 6 we would see how he evolves to become the Joker. The whole thing was really pushed, but they didn't have a choice...
@Brian G. I preferred Season 4 Jeremiah but I like his S5 characterisation too. I think his cold unfeeling attitude in S4 was an attempt to hold his insanity back and pretend he was sane because admitting his insanity would have involved admitting that Jerome was right about Jeremiah being as crazy and evil as he was and Jeremiah hated Jerome so much he'd sooner have killed himself than admit Jerome was right about anything. According to Cameron Monaghan the success of Jeremiah's plan to destroy Gotham inflated his ego even more than it already was to the point where he stopped holding back and started showing more of his craziness. The Season 4 episode One Bad Day before Jeremiah meets Ra's Al Ghul the way Jeremiah says "How did they figure you out" sounds more like Jerome's gravelly voice than Jeremiah's cold and emotionless one which suggests being sprayed by the gas caused him to develop a split personality based on Jerome. It happens again in a Season 5 episode where before Ecco's comes to talk to him Jeremiah's arguing with himself about Bruce saying "He'll like it" in his own voice and "No he won't" in Jerome's. He was probably talking about the random couple he gave plastic surgery to look like Bruce's parents. In Jeremiah's sick mind he was bringing Bruce's parents back as a "present" that he was convinced Bruce would thank him for and become his friend because of it. Since Jerome would have probably said that the plan was stupid if he was alive Jeremiah's apparent split personality version of Jerome in his head said the same.
Im probably the only one that lowkey wanted Jeremiah to succeed
Allynah Nadia I wanted that too
are you from Indonesia?
This is what signifies him as the Joker rather than Jerome. Jerome wanted Bruce dead no matter what. Jeremiah has a twisted view on the relationship between him and Bruce, as he says.. They are bound together. THAT'S Joker.
Jeremiah revealed his motives long time ago, and people is not able to get it.
Jeremiah: I Imagine you're wondering: "Why Jeremiah's doing this?" My brother once said all it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man alive to lunacy. Jerome gave me what I thought was the worst day of my life. But only by losing everything was I able to face what was inside me. And I believe I've seen something very special - inside of you as well. But, to free it, you'll have to lose everything and everyone you hold dear.
22:53 the way he looks to batman, like if he have found something he have been looking for years, the way he laughs at his hand
he found the thing he loves the most
The way he says "beautiful"
12:40 "vAgAbOnD"
Kaleb Barber i’ve never noticed that before omg i’m crying why is that so funny i- 😂
The absolute ✨SaSs✨ in his voice when he said that line tho 😂
At 0:59 it kinda looks like he has a split personality to me😂
Could be Jerome still talking to him
@@Dawn23716 kinda what i had in mind aswell👌🏻
The part when he noticed the batarang stuck in his hand had me crying lmao
That girl should of fell into the acid would’ve been a good Harley lmao
Namjin are my parents
Her face would have gotten messed up like Jeremiah.
ecco was supposed to be harley quinn
tho they way they made it, maybe someone later comes up and replaces her, or maybe theirs MULTIPLE harley quinns that eventually die and get replaced, considering he had facial reconstructive surgery for his plan, wouldn't be surprised if he did the same for the new "harleys" allowing him to essentially try to recreate ecco or something as well as maintain the appearance of one harley
But she's batgirl
That's batgirl around 8 years before she's batgirl though
🃏JEREMIAH🃏
19:26 hes just like "get away from me child"
Ian on another manic episode
Glad the last season finally got a proper Joker. IDC what anyone says Jeremiah is DEFINITELY the joker. By far the best villain ever in Gotham and an amazing actor to play him. Just wish he appeared in more episodes in season 5 though.
So underused in season 5 :(
Jeremiah after chemicals speaks and looks like Vito Corleone
I'm more of a Jerome girl but Cameron pulled off Jeremiah very well. My favorite scene has to be him eating the damn sandwich xD
I think the one dislike was from Bruce.
Or Selina
@@MrJcdelete18 Or Jerome
Shadow Rev I think all 3
And Ecco after he killed her
6:59 can't touch this
Yeah I saw that video too .
Jeremiah is the hottest Joker ever!😍💚💚💚💚
17:55 " *WHY AREN'T YOU LAUGHING?!* "
Well Joker is connected to Batman in weirdest ways. They potrayed that very good.
23:07
Why this moment got to me?
It's the only moment I've seen where Jeremiah actually started laughing like Jerome did...
Cameron Monaghan deserves to be next joker
23:06
“OMFG! THAT WAS SO COOL!” *turns to him* “YOU ARE SO GOTDAMN CO-!” *gets ko’d by a batarang*
i just need to know if jeremiah does his own brows or if ecco does them for him
I’ve been asking myself that sense I saw them. There fantastic
She probably put on that concealer for him in S4 too lmao
I’m kind of jealous that she gets to dance with Jeremiah
the way jeremiah was looking at ecco omg i cant ❤❤😍😍
I love Cameron Monaghan he was perfect to play a Joker like person. I hope to see him on the big screen.
Also 15:30-15:34 Did Jeremiah’s men steal Luis’s horn?
11:12
IM LAUGHING OMFG DID HE MEAN WHAT I THOUGHT HE DID BAHAHAHA
This guy plays a better joker than Leto?
Well of course. He isn’t talking in a deep voice, having thugs dressed in Halloween costumes, or dressed like a gangster. And a this is a small detail but *HE ACTUALLY LAUGHS LIKE THE JOKER*
@@thescreenslaver8520 yeah. And not “hA hA hA hA hA hAaAaAAAaaaaA”
So Gotham had the rights to all the Batman villians... Except Joker?
They didn't have rights to batman either, that's why they didn't show Bruce as batman much
@@xdmellor7562 well i do remember the reading around season 2 the writers said in an article, that Batman would show up "at the end of the series". Which makes sense because once Batman shows up, it's no longer "Gotham" it's "Batman".
19:22 Jeremiah: oh cute she has your eyes Barbara: damm that is my eyes Ecco: daddy :3
Sad Frog bruh
What the fuck
this guy should voice over a joker he sound so spot on good
Jeremiah is what Leto’s Joker should’ve been
Jeremiah and echo confirmed as Harley and joker
well... ecco being the first harley apparently cuz shes dead
Well a proto harley quinn
22:19 did he just admit that he loves bruce ? :o
Oh yes he did.
14:01 is literally the same thing that happened in the comic the bat who laughs
Have any of you noticed in season 4 he thinks he's sane talks normal but creepy but in season 5 before he falls in the acid he talks and acts like a little bit of jerome and joker
Thx man
can someone tell me why warner doesnt consider jerome as joker?
The show doesn't have the rights to Joker, so they improvised by making him very close to Joker but not quite.
@@DarkNexus530 I think they honestly came out with an even better interpretation thanks to Cameron's stellar acting skills and that they didn't have to conform to any one "Joker" since they didn't have the rights anyways. Two very distinct styles of Joker but both feel right. Also the whole "two jokers in every deck" thing with them being twins and all.
They're both Jokers. The show just couldn't call them that.
DC didn't want to have two live action jokers at the same time, so they just invested in Jared Letto's joker instead, which i find dumb not just because letto's was a bad joker, but also because they had no real reason to not lend the rights of the name to fox
And investing in Leto's Joker turned out to be a waste of time because he was shit and Joaquin Phoenix surpassed him in every way. Leto's also an extremely petty man since he tried to stop the Joker film from being released out of jealousy that Phoenix was a better Joker than him. And while he was filming Suicide Squad he did disgusting shit like give his fellow cast members dead rats and used condoms and justified it as "getting into character" even though no version of The Joker has given anybody dead rats or used condoms.
I love how more manic Jeremiah has become in season 5
Im feeling like i am watching a full episode bro.😂🤗
7:13 sure
5:24 This is a reference to Batman Begins
How?
@@menames184 basically. a guy said to bruce wait “bruce, you’re supposed to be dead” and bruce said “sorry to disappoint. i don’t think it was an exact reference because of the use of different characters but it went like that
I Think Jeremiah Thinks He Is Jerome But Knows He Is Him But Yet Thinks He Is Jerome AKA The Joker And Thats Why He Is Upsest With Bruce
He is nothing like Ian Gallagher, he has managed to become something entirely new. Phenomenal actor.
All Jeremiah laughs in this video:
1. 0:30
2. 1:02
3. 2:04
4. 2:11
5. 3:47
6. 4:57
7. 5:36
8. 6:46
9. 6:52
10. 7:57
11. 9:04
12. 9:34
13. 12:19
14. 14:54
15. 17:15
16. 17:33
17. 19:16
18. 19:22
19. 20:33
20. 21:05
21. 22:29
22. 22:32
23. 22:38
24. 23:01
25. 23:07
What si the best to you?
I watch this once a day
15:03 Thinking about it now this bit is based on Dark Knights Metal where one universe's Joker kills loads of people and Batman is eventually forced to kill him but Joker turns his world's Batman into The Batman Who Laughs in death.
To the people saying Bruce killed Jeremiah, if you look very closely you can see the batarang doesn't stick in his head, and it instead bounces out of his head.
Jerimaih kn S5 before he falls Is one of the best scenes of him
Selina stopping mock reenactment of Bruce’s tragedy was redeeming
Is it me or was Season 5 a bit rushed? The last episode could have featured Jeremiah more, as it should have been a 2 hour finale.
Yeah. I think they only got 12 episodes as opposed to the usual 22 of the other 4 seasons so they had to rush certain things which is why Jeremiah appeared less than he should have, why the Ventriloquist was killed off in the episode where he first got Scarface, why the Gotham versions of Nyssa Al Ghul and Bane were so bad, why most of Riddler's storyline was him being controlled by Bane and so on.
@@Xehanort10 I agree! Maybe the last season could have been 10 years later with Jeremiah as the Joker like character, Penguin and Riddler in their improved costumes, the birth of Two Face, more time with Bane, Ventriliquist, and Mr. Freeze. The Riddler sucked in the last season, as Ed was never so much a byatch as he was in this last season.
I love Echo 😊
Ecco
I love how he actually portrayed the joker as a very reliant character on Batman like Mark Hamill and Heath Ledger do
J was comic accurate not but his look, but by his personality. Jeremiah was accurate by his look. Jerome was slightly accurate
If you continued the look of Jeremiah with the personality of J, you get the Joker
But you know what they say looks don’t matter
He probally have “homicidal rage” ;_;
Its so funny how before echo goes to jeremiah he's mentally cracking and then snaps back into his dark night reaturns cold voice