Part 1 of the Riddler czcams.com/video/tXa_MDgekPA/video.html I think penguin is going to be the last one, he has so many scenes, after ed maybe mad hatter or scarecrow
Warner Bros: You're not allowed to use The Joker in this series. Gotham: That probably just means we're not allowed to do it exactly once. Let's do it twice!
Cameron really hit the villain jackpot here. He got to play 2 very different (one insane and charismatic, and one sadistic and calculating) but equally evil characters in one show. His acting is amazing, I forget that it's the same person and like with this and shameless, damn he is just too talented!!! He deserves so much praise
The Terrible Twins alternated frases: The 'artist' line Jerome: I'm an artist I just wanna paint the town crazy Jeremiah: All artists must start with a blank canvas, soo... This all needs to go
Cameron was actually nominated and awarded for his roles in Gotham and he retweeted a new Joker ranking list. Think Cam was three. Behind Hamill and Ledger.
jerome's diary: ice cream design, fun fonts and overall colorful. inside: plotting jimbo's death and bruce's. plans to take over gotham and gruesome drawings. now that's the definition of 'dont judge a book by its cover.
It makes me laugh because I can’t stop thinking of Jerome sitting on the floor surrounded with markers, stamps, and sparkly pens and he’s just giggling and scribbling things down 😂😂😂
I honestly find their backstory fascinating. Jeremiah claims Jerome was pure evil and wanted to kill him. Jerome claims Jeremiah was the actual evil one and turned everyone against him making up lies. And it's never confirmed who of the two was telling the truth. We are left to speculate who really created the Joker. Maybe Jeremiah was telling the truth when he said the gas only had "cosmetic effects" and he was the real evil one all along, shifting all the blame to Jerome as kids and sacrificing his brother's life so that he could get out of the circus and build his career, driving Jerome mad in the process. Or maybe it was indeed Jerome the one that was always insane and he did make his brother snap with the gas to continue his legacy. Or maybe both created each other. Or maybe their actions didn't matter that much and they were both destined to become what they became. There is just no way to know. Gotham might have given the Joker a name and a past, but it still respected a core element of his character, in the sense that his past is a mystery and it's multiple choice.
Maybe it's one of those "I made you, but you made me first" moments in the DC world. That was a quote from the 1989 batman. If he really did abuse jerome, then it would seem like jerome would turn out to be the other crazy side of jeremiah that nobody saw to defend jerome. Also alot of evidence kinda shows that jeremiah intended to destroy gotham before he had even been sprayed with the insanity gas, He basically made a bomb and made bruce think it was an extensive energy source so he could make him trust him enough to fund the making of more bombs. Also he does say the gas supposedly had no mental effect on him just cosmetic. There are alot of theories within theories
xalaq bv He didn’t make him do anything. And as he said, he was quite right about Jerome. What Jerome was wasn’t caused by his mother being an abusive drunk whore. He has something in him. Some monsters are made and some are born. I think he was born a monster and his mother didn’t make it any better for sure.
PixelHavoc it’s called “death in the family” where joker’s face is ripped off willingly by the dollmaker and the former’s face is later stapled back on.
Jerome is Joker as a child. Jeremiah is Joker as a man. One is clearly more mature than the other. Both are very intelligent and insane. However, Jeremiah does it with debonair. Long Live Joker.
That’s why I’m interested to see what direction they’re taking Jeremiah in s5. He’s clearly the more clever calculated killer of the two and now they’ve said that he will become even more unhinged in the coming season. Almost like he’ll be the ideal joker? Certainly looks it in the trailers. Super excited for it
I hate how Jerome's intelligence is understimated, he did rely on random luck a lot and acted like a minor Anarchist but he did have a lot of good plans.
Jeremiah is a psychopath who led Jerome into being a sociopath who in return led Jeremiah into being the joker. So all this started because their mom didn't know what protection meant.
@@reaper7328 well Statically Sociopaths are More Ruled by there Emotions, they’re Quick to Act, while Psychopaths are Calmer they Think Things Through Statically. In a Simple Way Psychopaths are ‘born’ while Sociopaths are ‘created’, so Yes Jeremiah would be the Psychopath, he’s the One that Thought Things Threw, he Manipulated Everyone Around Him, Made them Believe he was Innocent, and He Accidentally Created/ Caused his Brother, Jeromes Full Fledge Sociopathic Tendencies. But Jerome caused Jeremiah to Let Go of the Mask Of Innocence He Created for Himself. They were both Crazy from the Beginning, they just Feed into Each Other, Created and Molded the Other, Imagine if they Had Worked Together. Jerome was the Wild Insanity while Jeremiah was the Sane Insanity, still both Crazy.
@@lovellhorrors1586 lmao yes! his and Jeremiah's expression I died they looked so damn confused kinda like okay where the hell did they pop in from? 😂🤣
I feel like Jerome and Jeremiah represent the 2 key sides of the Joker;Jerome represents the Craziness the Loony side of the Joker and Jeremiah represents the “Schemer” side the cunning side of the Joker or in simple terms: Jerome+Jeremiah =The Ultimate Joker that Bruce will fight in the future as Batman
The spray Jerome had Scarecrow concoct "just for" Jeremiah wasn't an Insanity Gas. Jerome insisted that his brother was already just as crazy, but managed to fool everyone, so what would be the point of it? No no no, Jerome wanted to _expose_ Jeremiah for the liar he was, wanted to prove Jeremiah's convincing "I'm the meek, scared, sane angel & my psycho brother is the only crazy sadist" act was a facade. Jeremiah thought his brother's spray had failed, because it didn't induce raving psychosis & cackling like the regular victims of the insanity gas suffered. But Jeremiah was wrong, Jerome's gift worked perfectly. Aside from the characteristic cosmetic effect, I think really the _only_ initial effect it had - at first - was to strip away his desire to conceal the psychopathic tendencies & narcissism he'd successfully kept hidden from everyone for so long. It stripped away Jeremiah's desire to bother continuing to hide behind the "innocent" mask he'd used for so long to manipulate everyone into underestimating him while he misdirected blame where he wanted instead. Jeremiah doesn't think he's better/saner than Jerome because he has less of a desire to kill, he thinks he's superior because whereas Jerome is erratic & chaotic in his violent tendencies, he himself is more controlled & better able to hide it. It was both Jerome's revenge & his gift to him that the gas did, in fact, set the "Real" Jeremiah free. (In Season 5, there is some indication that he's starting to develop some subtle symptoms of delusional psychosis, a brief blink-&-you'll-miss-it moment where he's angrily verbalizing both side of an argument with himself, but that's probably a latent more long-term progressive effect of whatever the chemicals did to achieve their initial goal of removing his inhibitions & impulse control) A few of the reasons I say this: 1) That bunker. Thaaaaat bunker...that bunker labyrinth isn't a hiding place, it's a zoo cage. It's the kind of maze a scientist drops a rat into & then observes in an experiment. Jerome's cell had a camera to observe from, but no visible door; it was built to imprison & voyeuristically watch its captive to see what they'd do...but he finished construction 1-2 years _before_ Jerome killed their mother, much less before he proved smart enough to escape Arkham, and had been designing it years before that...so who was it meant for? 1) He straight-up admits that stories about his brother trying to kill him was a lie. While it's entirely possible that Jerome already showed signs of being violent or aggressive as a child, Jeremiah acknowledges that he was _not_ an attempt murder when Lila had Uncle Zach spirit him away. But those lies aren't just how he manipulated hims way out of the circus & into a better life at the expense of his brother, they are excuse he uses to justify building the voyeuristic-prison-maze to "hide" from Jerome in the first place. Again, years before Jerome actually killed anyone. In fact, I get the impression that those _lies_ are the only reason Jerome is threatening to kill him now, that Jeremiah used them both to abandon him & cause him to be subjected to abuse. 3) In both of their confrontations, Jerome's _entire_ driving motivation is calling out Jeremiah on the fact that they "still think the same". The hill Jerome was willing to die on, _literally_, was showing the world Jeremiah had been _fooling_ everyone into thinking that he's sane. That would be a hell of a conviction to throw himself on his sword for if there's been a change of being wrong. 4) Jeremiah's _entire_ "meek & afraid" persona is an extremely well performed facade (the exact same fake persona Jerome displays the very first time we see him at Haly's Circus, if you recall), designed to show people what he wants them to see, how he wants them to perceive him in order to suit what he wants/needs from them. The facade slips before the spray, though. When Gordon is trying to convince him to agree to be delivered into Jerome's hands at the concert, he's playing at being some victim who has been so terrified of his murderous brother his whole life that he's lived in hiding underground for 6 years; but a single sentence from Bruce - who he'd met less than 60 seconds prior - implying he'd be seen as a hero & the fear just _drops_ like switch has been flipped, because the fear wasn't real to begin with. It isn't that Bruce - a stranger at that point - is such a reassuring presence; it's that his narcissism's satisfaction at the idea of being recognized as heroic (thereby superior) outweighed the usefulness of being underestimated that the "fear" facade had afforded him. If his brother was eliminated as a threat, his purpose is served better by showing him the poised stoic self-sacrificing courage he wants Bruce to see. He slipped off one emotional persona for another in seconds like a costume change, because neither of them were real. (Cameron Monaghan's a pretty consistently solid actor, that abrupt of a shift wasn't an oopsie). "From an early age, I showed a proficiency for Maths & Design, and Jerome, mainly the mutilation of alley-cats" I'd imagine that both boys, as children, were displaying disturbed behavior, some budding hints of violent urges & lack of empathy. While it wouldn't surprise me if Jerome were the type to lash out & expel violent outbursts of pain/anger/frustration on hapless random stray small animals, it would surprise me even less if Jeremiah were the type to squeeze the cat's next slowly until he could make note of the exact amount of resistance to calculate pressure required to snap its neck & then meticulously cut it apart in order to study how it goes together. If anyone were to find the remains of Jeremiah's feline victim, however, he would be quick to wide-eyed & quivering-lipped claim he'd seen Jerome cutting it up & confide how frightened he'd been.
I agree with your theory. Especially since Jerome pretty much told what was gonna happen when they first met up. “We can could all go insane with just one bad day....or in your case one bad spray. Ah you’ll see what I mean!!” They both think the same, one is just poised while the other is wild
Dude, he carried the show by playing as two villains? That is amazing! Aside from different looks than Joker, he is an outstanding actor. I really hope to see him in the Batman film one day.
@@hanz2904 Jeremiah needs to be a little more crazy in my opinion, he's just not joker enough, too emotionless sure he's intimidating, cruel and has fun plans but where's his stage presence?
The Joker represented as two separate characters: one symbolizing his desire for chaos and sheer lunacy, and the other symbolizing his "super sanity", high intelligence, and unhealthy obsession with Bruce Wayne/Batman. And they happen to be identical twins! Names starting with the letter J! And it's been established in the comics that there's more than one. Well done writers, well done.
This is why I think Jerome was more evil than Jeremiah was. Jerome was aware of his insanity and evilness, he just didn’t care about it, he enjoyed it.
Wolf Hunter same actor but completely different portrayal of the same character. That’s what makes him such a amazing actor. He’s playing two different characters that are also the same character, but portraying the two so differently that one is largely loved by the community while the other is rather looked down upon. The two act and feel so different in fact that I honestly thought that it was just the brother of the original actor the first time watching it through.
I really like jerome's whole delevopment during the entire show... He started out as a conplete nobody... A simple murderer who killed his mother and was sent to arkham... When he joined the maniax, he made a name for himself, and attention was brought to him (similar to the joker in the dark knight, who wasnt a concern at first). Once he single handedly caused abolute chaos after his revival, Along with a scary, new, cut-off-face look, THATS when he was really seen as a true massive threat to gotham. And from then on, his plans kept getting bigger and bigger in scale, and more complicated to pull off, especially with his last plan to turn gotham into a madhouse. Even the LAUGH evolved from a normal-sounding but high pitched laugh in season 2, a raspy jared leto styled laugh when he was first revived, (presumably cuz his trachea wound was in the process of healing) in season 3, and in season four, we finally get a combination of both, a raspy, high pitched, mark hamill joker laugh. By the his death, we really see how he impacted many people's ideas on life, cuz as he said, he was is an idea and a philosophy. Overall an excellent interpretation on the crazy side of joker... Now lets see what the calculative genius side of him is REALLY capable of in season 5 :D
This is exactly why I love this show, even though they don't have the rights to batman and joker, they still do those characters amazingly, SO NOSTALGIC!
I wish Jerome didn’t die but succeeded in making Jeremiah’s crazy because each of them represent different incarnations if joker but the story should have rapped up with one dying but we don’t know which one this would keep the joker mystery is it Jerome or Jeremiah. And what’s left they could have blended the two versions into one true joker that would have been perfect
eoghan_d4ly they could have still did something like the cemicaks could have still messed up there faces or Jerome gives Jeremiah the scars what ever it is but it would have been better this way so that way I dyed of getting the best of two jokers in deprecate people we could have a full whole perfect joker and we wouldn’t know who it is so it would have kept that mystery
I like how they technically created each other. Jeremiah turned everyone against Jerome causing him to go insane and Jerome sprayed Jeremiah with laughing gas.
I love the first conversation between Jerome and Jeremiah. That’s one of the times Jerome looked really disappointed and sad before that insanity took over. Like all he just wanted was to talk with his brother. And you see Jerome loved Jeremiah. In a strange way but still kinda like brothers. I think that’s really fascinating!
Jana Winkler I would like to see a number of psychological profiles done on the Valeska twins. They're my favorite fixations for mental curiosties that I love.😊
I don't think the producers designed them to be entirely accurate to known psychological disorders XD I'm guessing they're each off-shoots of ASPD, but beyond that I'm not too sure. Jerome's flamboyance and Jeremiah's flat affect are some rather interesting things to consider. Flamboyance may hint at histrionic, but histrionic melodrama tends to be more like "Oh no I'm in so much pain, pity me, pity me" or a need for affirmation rather than Jerome's bounciness. A flat affect is consistent with certain instances of ASPD, which is really pretty interesting, because generally in ASPD (and in extreme cases of Conduct Disorder before 18 years of age) there's the tendency to "switch" one's emotions on and off as the situation demands, meaning the general mood is actually one of flatness. However, someone with ASPD would generally cover up the flat affect with a faked genial emotion in order to fit in. If Jeremiah is someone artificially made into a Psychopath by the gas, then perhaps the reason for his flat affect is that he was unwittingly thrust into this personality disorder, meaning he hasn't learned to properly mask his emotional flatness with a "normal" expression. So that one is perhaps a little closer to the DSM categorizations. I really don't know what to make of Jerome, though. It doesn't seem like his emotional bouncehouse-ness is faked, though he certainly is very skilled at acting (also akin to certain instances of ASPD, though not all). I dunno
@@briang.2218 As I commented in another "Valeska Bros vid" I believe the gas had nothing to do with Jeremiah`s psychopathy, it just unmasked his disorder, but he has always been like that. In other words, Jerome was a sociopath due to his abusive mother and overall, aversive childhood, while Jeremiah is the typical natural born psychopath, who used to hide it with his nerdy mask of sanity till the gas exposed him out. If you ask me, Jerome can almost fit (Almost) into Borderline personality disorder, he is like an emotional windmill, and if we look at his past… well, you got it. Jeremiah is indeed totally psychopathic. Excuse my english I`m french.
Why do I feel like Jeremiah fell right into Jerome's trap since he destroyed Gotham which is what Jerome wanted from the beginning he didnt care what happened to Gotham afterwards so long as it was destroyed. Meaning Jeremiah completed Jerome's mission for him without even knowing it
Actually it was all Jeremiah's mission because as jerome said he had turned everyone against him as a child, meaning Jeremiah had been planning this since he was a little kid
papastew I think that Jeremiah just felt unsafe around Jermone as a child so he planted everybody against Jerome. I think Jerome's revenge against Jeremiah was because Jeremiah believed more than ever that he was completely sane, but Jerome knew. Jerome knew that they were both crazy, no matter what Jeremiah said, so his ultimate revenge was to make him exactly how Jerome was. Jerome's plan was to cause a little chaos. He knew that he wasn't planned far enough ahead in time to complete his ultimate goal--to end Gotham. So thats where Jeremiah came into play. He was so bent on NOT being Jerome thats exactly what he became.
@@caden8239 to turn everyone against his brother is not a plan to destroy gotham.. is just a jealous and hate act about his brother nothing more... so no it was nt jeremiah plan.... jeremiah wasnt insane as a kid he was just a bad kid with brother issues.... But all this made jerome who are now, his plan was to kick jerome out of the family no to make him insane it wasnt on purpose
Jeremiah was crazy as a kid, jerome was not. Jeremiah made Jerome crazy by turning everyone against him, trauma. Jerome is a sociopath, Jeremiah is a psychopath.
Part 1 of the Riddler czcams.com/video/tXa_MDgekPA/video.html
I think penguin is going to be the last one, he has so many scenes, after ed maybe mad hatter or scarecrow
Nina I think you should start with whoever has the least scenes out of the 3 as its less work and stress on you
@@zxmbieskin_ scarecrow is next 😉
Nina do the hatter, he's funnier, and much......more.......fun😈
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Изкюзми а есть ли ещё часть фильма на твоём канале?
Cameron probably had the most fun of all the cast. Guy got to play the most complicated characters.
Jetmaia was just making him batman think about it
Like Cal Kwestis?
jerome is pretty simple thats why hes so fun
I mean both of the characters were *unpredictable* in their own ways…so that seems fun.
fax
It’s amazing how you forget it’s the same actor talking to himself.
That's crazy
Alexvspoverty 😂😂😂 ur right!!
Omg I forget that
But 56:39 NAAANNNNIIII???!!!
Edit: They are both there
Maeleigh I like turtles and thank you I am a genius
"Yeah that's a spoon"
"IT IS ALSO A *FORK!"*
It's a spork.
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It is also plastic.
Best part of this video honestly
THE BEST LINE IN THIS VIDEO 😂😂
Warner Bros: You're not allowed to use The Joker in this series.
Gotham: That probably just means we're not allowed to do it exactly once. Let's do it twice!
Gotham: You we can't have THE Joker... so let's have JokerS!
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@@NotAGoodUsername360 Batman: Dear god. Now there's two of them!
They really Said 😂😂😂
@@NotAGoodUsername360 *DC COMICS RAGE INTENSIFIES*
WHY IS HIS PERFORMANCE SO UNDERRATED ?!?!?!?!
@@ernestoguzman6388 what do u mean?
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Because this is a tv show and those are always underrated
THANK YOU
It's soooo not
Jerome: insane with no plan
Jeremiah: sane with a plan
Joker: insane with a plan
Jeremiah isn't sane. It's the insanity in his mind telling him he is..
Jeremiah is not sane. Crazy people don’t know that they’re crazy.
Alicen Lynne what this person is saying is that’s what Jeremiah believes
Jeremiah genuinely believes he’s sane.. We all know he’s not
Alicen Lynne Except Jerome he knows he’s freaking crazy 😂
“Let me get this straight. You think Gotham is a good show?”
“I do. And I’m tired of pretending it’s not.”
Adam Grunther is that a joker 2019 reference
DIO yep.
YES IKR
People who say it is a bad show just watch one episode and say this show is trash bye ✋
@@darthbullymaguire2072 which episode though. They’re all absolute gold
“He’s right, I’ll see you soon, *MWAH*”
I love this guy so much
Im actually wondering if Jerome would do that to his girlfriend XD
why is this guy so good at acting insane
I wish I could undestand people with that talent. Like, how they manage to blend in so well with another persona
Ikr
Matthew Bubb i can do his laugh pretty good if i do say so myself
You can't just "act" insane with all the scenes he has done this man is insane.
Ian Gallagher 🥴🥴🥴🥴
It's amazing how it's the same actor and can completely pull off two characters and make them seem completely different
Three
Gregory Luff that is why I love Cameron Morgan as an actor
All his acting in general is nuts, he pulled of a insane character trying to act sane lmao. All these actors are really fucking good.
Thats just called acting dude.
Livia Price He truly is a talented actor. I hope to see him get some more interesting roles.
Cameron really hit the villain jackpot here. He got to play 2 very different (one insane and charismatic, and one sadistic and calculating) but equally evil characters in one show. His acting is amazing, I forget that it's the same person and like with this and shameless, damn he is just too talented!!! He deserves so much praise
The Terrible Twins alternated frases:
The 'artist' line
Jerome:
I'm an artist
I just wanna paint the town crazy
Jeremiah:
All artists must start with a blank canvas, soo...
This all needs to go
And ironically it’s both of their painting
"that is a spoon"
"IT IS ALSO A FORK!!!"
I love sporks
That's a fpoon wtf is u on about
Have you ever heard of a Spork? lmfao what are YOU on about?@@sanjivinsmoke9154
@@what827 r/wooosh
actually, you're the one who got wooshed in the first place.@@sanjivinsmoke9154
@@what827 what is this fucking whoooshception or some shit
Oswald and Jerome playing mime is the most adorable thing I've ever seen.
The part when he shut the mime door was showing his own insanity as well as keeping the other crazies out, just a small fact I found funny
the beating and blood was the nicer part
@@bazingamaster3770 pack it up jerome 😂
@@bazingamaster3770 bro?
believe it or not this guy speakin facts
Do you ever have those moments where you want the villain to win, that’s how it be with Jerome
andreajasyl i dont want him to win
Me too. Everytime. Sad that he died... but, it was his plan...
And Jeremiah.
DANGAN-RONPA obviously you dont get the funny part do you, you anime icon freak, BORING
@@NoOne-zs6zt yeees thank lord, someone who ISNT a pussy! 😀
man Jerome was a good Joker idk why people dont put him in any top 5+ jokers of all time he is a good insane actor
Cameron was actually nominated and awarded for his roles in Gotham and he retweeted a new Joker ranking list. Think Cam was three. Behind Hamill and Ledger.
@@ichigokage wow really? That so amazing. I love so much. Cam is very talented young actor, his skill deserved much attention
Al least he sees through the lies of Arkham
I made a list for top 10 Joker portrayals, and Cameron Monaghan is at #4.
Because he is not officially called the joker
jerome's diary: ice cream design, fun fonts and overall colorful.
inside: plotting jimbo's death and bruce's. plans to take over gotham and gruesome drawings.
now that's the definition of 'dont judge a book by its cover.
Wel my kinda book
All cute and rainbows on the outside
The inside death and insane stuff
I think it was sort of a refrence to Heath Ledger who did write a diary when he played the Joker during the production of the Dark Knight.
It makes me laugh because I can’t stop thinking of Jerome sitting on the floor surrounded with markers, stamps, and sparkly pens and he’s just giggling and scribbling things down 😂😂😂
@@lovelynova1494 you made me laugh so much when I read that
@@lovelynova1494 ohhh damn....😂🤣
There's two jokers in every deck of cards 💗😂🃏
Tayler Perez I get it!
Very clever!
@Oh My Mod oh nooooooo
Good one!!
Not bad dude.
CZcams needs comment awards... ESPECIALLY after that gem!
This guy played three different guys, being the same person. Amazing actor.
Watch is shameless persona even better
we love camoron
Two actually
@@arumeenarulert487 three. Mr. J is a new personality even if it’s still Jeremiah’s body
@@eldritchpumpkinghost2968 oh yea i forgot abt that
I only watched Gotham because of Jerome- anyone else?
Me2
They had a few good arcs outside of the Valeskas.
I liked Ed Nigma's Riddler persona a lot.
@@NotAGoodUsername360 hehe and zsasz
@@hanz2904 yeah.
I watched for Jerome but stayed for Ed Nygma
Jerome is insane out of torture, Jeremiah is insane out of fear..........
Your right
Jeremiah isn’t insane, he’s smart!!!!😍😍😂😂
Well why am I insane
@@azraelgarris2328 cuz of your name
Oh yeah yeah
@@azraelgarris2328 Who are you? Nobody, soo get outta here!
I feel playing this role would make you go actually insane
Potato Frenchfries z
It does... people have died doing it.
Only if ur doing it right
Oh it will. Bad things happen when people don't take care of themselves when they are living dangerously. Ha ha haaaaa
It did for Heath Ledger
“You know what they say, it only takes one bad day to drive the sanest man to lunacy”
-Jeremiah (the end of Season 4)
RedPanda07 sounds like the killing joke to me.
I honestly find their backstory fascinating. Jeremiah claims Jerome was pure evil and wanted to kill him. Jerome claims Jeremiah was the actual evil one and turned everyone against him making up lies. And it's never confirmed who of the two was telling the truth. We are left to speculate who really created the Joker. Maybe Jeremiah was telling the truth when he said the gas only had "cosmetic effects" and he was the real evil one all along, shifting all the blame to Jerome as kids and sacrificing his brother's life so that he could get out of the circus and build his career, driving Jerome mad in the process. Or maybe it was indeed Jerome the one that was always insane and he did make his brother snap with the gas to continue his legacy. Or maybe both created each other. Or maybe their actions didn't matter that much and they were both destined to become what they became.
There is just no way to know. Gotham might have given the Joker a name and a past, but it still respected a core element of his character, in the sense that his past is a mystery and it's multiple choice.
I'm like thing based in the ages, hair of the twins and their parents, the Valeska Twins are adopt.
Maybe it's one of those "I made you, but you made me first" moments in the DC world. That was a quote from the 1989 batman. If he really did abuse jerome, then it would seem like jerome would turn out to be the other crazy side of jeremiah that nobody saw to defend jerome. Also alot of evidence kinda shows that jeremiah intended to destroy gotham before he had even been sprayed with the insanity gas, He basically made a bomb and made bruce think it was an extensive energy source so he could make him trust him enough to fund the making of more bombs. Also he does say the gas supposedly had no mental effect on him just cosmetic. There are alot of theories within theories
jerome lives on in the shadows
I believe his brother made up the lies or exaggerated a few parts to get out of their cause the relatives seem to be pretty cold people
Why did they have to kill off Jerome? I haven't seen anyone so perfect for the Joker since Heath Ledger.
Joaquin Phoenix jk Jared Leto and this Joker are the best and Jack Nicholson
@@Fc0086 Jared Leto does not deserve the title of Joker.
prodigy Joaquin Phoenix has a great joker Jared Leto was horrendous Heath was something else just so good
prodigy you’re right with Cameron, he’s amazing. Leto was awful, he was a joke. Phoenix was good so don’t know what you’re talking about there.
Jared Leto's Joker was terrible
You actually feel bad for Jerome when he talks about his childhood abuse.
But then you remember he murdered a dozen people and threw an entire city into anarchy and chaos
@@haydenysidro9388 but then you remember his twin brother led him to that
I believe that B99 says it best “cool motive, still murder”
That’s the idea...
xalaq bv He didn’t make him do anything. And as he said, he was quite right about Jerome. What Jerome was wasn’t caused by his mother being an abusive drunk whore. He has something in him. Some monsters are made and some are born. I think he was born a monster and his mother didn’t make it any better for sure.
41:56
“ I’ll splatter him. I’LL SPLATTER BROSKI!”
Probably the first time I’ve hear dthat😂
and the last
Jerome's face being ripped off is an amazing refference to that arc from the comic.
PixelHavoc it’s called “death in the family” where joker’s face is ripped off willingly by the dollmaker and the former’s face is later stapled back on.
@@mikephelps5454 isn’t death in the family the issue where Jason Todd gets killed by joker
@@thefrogwizard9332 yeah, I think
@@thefrogwizard9332 there was death IN the family and death OF the family
Jerome is Joker as a child. Jeremiah is Joker as a man. One is clearly more mature than the other. Both are very intelligent and insane. However, Jeremiah does it with debonair. Long Live Joker.
Varys Mopatis for me it’s the other way around because I always imagined the joker growing into his craziness
I think it’s more of what most people have said how them both mixed together makes the perfect Joker, but what you’ve got going on is fine too
That’s why I’m interested to see what direction they’re taking Jeremiah in s5. He’s clearly the more clever calculated killer of the two and now they’ve said that he will become even more unhinged in the coming season. Almost like he’ll be the ideal joker? Certainly looks it in the trailers. Super excited for it
Varys Mopatis Yup
LONG LIVE ME!
I will always love Jerome's more vicious insanity.
That picture thou
gh0stbeee E yeah, I hope we see this Joker become more insane.
I think we all will
gh0stbeee E me too
Jeremiah: “You are my very best friend” *knocks him out*
Ratthew friends always beat each other to a pulp. My friend does it every day while calling me a nerd
@@appendixlessloser4806 Tf
“Nobody wants to see the good guys win anymore”
not when they make villains hot lol
@@trucquynh3948 theyre hot in a werid way
To be honest the joker is actually funny sometimes.
Adam Extras which one
In the killing joke, at the end joker manages to make Batman laugh
All the time to me, he always make me laugh
Sometimes...?🌝
Comedy.
Jerome: “Oh alright. See you crazy kids later! Chow!”
I died of laughter.
*ciao.
Ciao*
Yh same that was funny when Jerome said that
Jerome, Mad Hatter, Scarecrow, Mr. Freeze, Penguin, Firefly, Solomon grundy - PERFECT GANG!
Meant quite literally. Jervis added quite a bit as did everyone else but then Jerome is obviously evil and insane, and runs the show.
Mad hatter.
@@byeyangeecrack867 Yeah, he worked for Jerome in this season.
Jerome: Insane, Clever, Evil
Jeremiah: Sane, Genius, Evil
Joker: Insane, Clever, Genius, Evil
I hate how Jerome's intelligence is understimated, he did rely on random luck a lot and acted like a minor Anarchist but he did have a lot of good plans.
Neither of them were insane
Mr. R: knock knock :3
Hanz
Agreed.
Jerry Glen lovell both*
Can’t blame Jeremiah for attacking penguin and the others. Penguin basically yelled out there plan while Jeremiah and his goons were right there!
Ya lol
"OH HELL NO,YOU ARE NOT HYPNOTIZING ME AGAIN!!"
me when my sister tries to get me to clean our half shared room
Jesus. ...what sister
Jesus....has a sister?
That scene was so funny...
You know?
There's only two types of people who watch Gotham:
People who like Harvey
People who like Harvey
If this was Jesus he would not cuss
41:00 "I guess with you its more like one bad SPRAY. You'll see."
Damn that foreshadowing.
OMFG
Jeremiah is a psychopath who led Jerome into being a sociopath who in return led Jeremiah into being the joker.
So all this started because their mom didn't know what protection meant.
Ah sibling rivalry. Making psychopaths since whenever they started.
Radio Rebell finally someone who knows which is which.
lol thats a simple explanation to everything
No its jeremiah who is the sociopath and jerome the pyschopsth.
@@reaper7328 well Statically Sociopaths are More Ruled by there Emotions, they’re Quick to Act, while Psychopaths are Calmer they Think Things Through Statically. In a Simple Way Psychopaths are ‘born’ while Sociopaths are ‘created’, so Yes Jeremiah would be the Psychopath, he’s the One that Thought Things Threw, he Manipulated Everyone Around Him, Made them Believe he was Innocent, and He Accidentally Created/ Caused his Brother, Jeromes Full Fledge Sociopathic Tendencies. But Jerome caused Jeremiah to Let Go of the Mask Of Innocence He Created for Himself. They were both Crazy from the Beginning, they just Feed into Each Other, Created and Molded the Other, Imagine if they Had Worked Together. Jerome was the Wild Insanity while Jeremiah was the Sane Insanity, still both Crazy.
My favorite quote
“MUST GO MUST GO, THEY’RE AFTER ME AND THE SCARECROW”
GET ANY CLOSER AND I SPLATTER EM. IM GONNA SPLATTER BROSKI!!
IT IS ALSO A FORK!
and Jerome and Jeremiah meanwhile are looking like what the hell is this? 😂😂
@@SexySkoChick Jerome nearly burned Gotham down and even he's looking like "what.....the f(you know what).....is going on here?"😂
@@lovellhorrors1586 lmao yes! his and Jeremiah's expression I died they looked so damn confused kinda like okay where the hell did they pop in from? 😂🤣
Jerome was insane. That's what made it cool.
Jeremiah IS evil. That's what makes it scary.
Heath's joker was chaotic
Combine the two brothers and you get hell
I've always been more of a fan of Jerome than Jeremiah
Nicholson's joker was a unstable and broken sociopathic mobster
Jared Leto is a edgy teenager that broke up with his girlfriend
"Listen to what I have to say"
"Oh HelL nO yOu aRe nOt hIpnotIzing mE agAin *AAAAAAAAAAAAAAH*"
Let’s go, let’s go! 🏃🏃🏃🏃They after me and scarecrow! 🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
8:43 my favorite laugh, it comes out of nowhere and is just so full of character.
“USE THE TONGS, CARL!!”
NissaNapalm I love that black lipstick 😍
*Promotional* *Ads* *for* *Jeremiah:* Have ha ha ha written all over them.
*Jeremiah:* Never laughs
I think it’s intentional, like that’s what’s going on inside his head
He does in season 5
to quote Jerome...
“gimme a smile..”
Heath kinda started the writing Ha everywhere, I think it was imagery probably from the comic books.
A Gallagher, a Madman, and a Padawan. Cameron, you are hereby my favorite actor.
I love how Jerome made penguin scared
A sadist meets a sadistic sociopath.
His acting is amazing LIKE WTF??!??
Almost like it's real...
Way better than Jared Leto,and he gets paid less!!!!
'YES-?'-"
Joker casually walking around with a shotgun lol
47:00
Jerome: we need to stop taking ourselves so serious
Joker:why so serious
**claps** Seriously, you need a smile
Dont kill me, but the "just right!" Scene was kind of adorable....
I feel like Jerome and Jeremiah represent the 2 key sides of the Joker;Jerome represents the Craziness the Loony side of the Joker and Jeremiah represents the “Schemer” side the cunning side of the Joker or in simple terms:
Jerome+Jeremiah =The Ultimate Joker that Bruce will fight in the future as Batman
Is Joaquin Phoenix as Joker is the father of Jerome and Jeremiah? Haha
sofiyan ali it kinda makes it feel like Jeremiah is like Jack Nicholson’s joker and Jerome is heath ledgers
gendra gamehouse well the joker died lmao
joaquin pheonix is just like a tiiiiiny bit of both and throw in some depressed man who got everything taken away from him
not a schemer just a dog chasing cars
The spray Jerome had Scarecrow concoct "just for" Jeremiah wasn't an Insanity Gas.
Jerome insisted that his brother was already just as crazy, but managed to fool everyone, so what would be the point of it? No no no, Jerome wanted to _expose_ Jeremiah for the liar he was, wanted to prove Jeremiah's convincing "I'm the meek, scared, sane angel & my psycho brother is the only crazy sadist" act was a facade.
Jeremiah thought his brother's spray had failed, because it didn't induce raving psychosis & cackling like the regular victims of the insanity gas suffered. But Jeremiah was wrong, Jerome's gift worked perfectly. Aside from the characteristic cosmetic effect, I think really the _only_ initial effect it had - at first - was to strip away his desire to conceal the psychopathic tendencies & narcissism he'd successfully kept hidden from everyone for so long. It stripped away Jeremiah's desire to bother continuing to hide behind the "innocent" mask he'd used for so long to manipulate everyone into underestimating him while he misdirected blame where he wanted instead. Jeremiah doesn't think he's better/saner than Jerome because he has less of a desire to kill, he thinks he's superior because whereas Jerome is erratic & chaotic in his violent tendencies, he himself is more controlled & better able to hide it. It was both Jerome's revenge & his gift to him that the gas did, in fact, set the "Real" Jeremiah free.
(In Season 5, there is some indication that he's starting to develop some subtle symptoms of delusional psychosis, a brief blink-&-you'll-miss-it moment where he's angrily verbalizing both side of an argument with himself, but that's probably a latent more long-term progressive effect of whatever the chemicals did to achieve their initial goal of removing his inhibitions & impulse control)
A few of the reasons I say this:
1) That bunker. Thaaaaat bunker...that bunker labyrinth isn't a hiding place, it's a zoo cage. It's the kind of maze a scientist drops a rat into & then observes in an experiment. Jerome's cell had a camera to observe from, but no visible door; it was built to imprison & voyeuristically watch its captive to see what they'd do...but he finished construction 1-2 years _before_ Jerome killed their mother, much less before he proved smart enough to escape Arkham, and had been designing it years before that...so who was it meant for?
1) He straight-up admits that stories about his brother trying to kill him was a lie. While it's entirely possible that Jerome already showed signs of being violent or aggressive as a child, Jeremiah acknowledges that he was _not_ an attempt murder when Lila had Uncle Zach spirit him away. But those lies aren't just how he manipulated hims way out of the circus & into a better life at the expense of his brother, they are excuse he uses to justify building the voyeuristic-prison-maze to "hide" from Jerome in the first place. Again, years before Jerome actually killed anyone. In fact, I get the impression that those _lies_ are the only reason Jerome is threatening to kill him now, that Jeremiah used them both to abandon him & cause him to be subjected to abuse.
3) In both of their confrontations, Jerome's _entire_ driving motivation is calling out Jeremiah on the fact that they "still think the same". The hill Jerome was willing to die on, _literally_, was showing the world Jeremiah had been _fooling_ everyone into thinking that he's sane. That would be a hell of a conviction to throw himself on his sword for if there's been a change of being wrong.
4) Jeremiah's _entire_ "meek & afraid" persona is an extremely well performed facade (the exact same fake persona Jerome displays the very first time we see him at Haly's Circus, if you recall), designed to show people what he wants them to see, how he wants them to perceive him in order to suit what he wants/needs from them. The facade slips before the spray, though. When Gordon is trying to convince him to agree to be delivered into Jerome's hands at the concert, he's playing at being some victim who has been so terrified of his murderous brother his whole life that he's lived in hiding underground for 6 years; but a single sentence from Bruce - who he'd met less than 60 seconds prior - implying he'd be seen as a hero & the fear just _drops_ like switch has been flipped, because the fear wasn't real to begin with. It isn't that Bruce - a stranger at that point - is such a reassuring presence; it's that his narcissism's satisfaction at the idea of being recognized as heroic (thereby superior) outweighed the usefulness of being underestimated that the "fear" facade had afforded him. If his brother was eliminated as a threat, his purpose is served better by showing him the poised stoic self-sacrificing courage he wants Bruce to see. He slipped off one emotional persona for another in seconds like a costume change, because neither of them were real. (Cameron Monaghan's a pretty consistently solid actor, that abrupt of a shift wasn't an oopsie).
"From an early age, I showed a proficiency for Maths & Design, and Jerome, mainly the mutilation of alley-cats"
I'd imagine that both boys, as children, were displaying disturbed behavior, some budding hints of violent urges & lack of empathy. While it wouldn't surprise me if Jerome were the type to lash out & expel violent outbursts of pain/anger/frustration on hapless random stray small animals, it would surprise me even less if Jeremiah were the type to squeeze the cat's next slowly until he could make note of the exact amount of resistance to calculate pressure required to snap its neck & then meticulously cut it apart in order to study how it goes together. If anyone were to find the remains of Jeremiah's feline victim, however, he would be quick to wide-eyed & quivering-lipped claim he'd seen Jerome cutting it up & confide how frightened he'd been.
I agree with your theory. Especially since Jerome pretty much told what was gonna happen when they first met up. “We can could all go insane with just one bad day....or in your case one bad spray. Ah you’ll see what I mean!!” They both think the same, one is just poised while the other is wild
Holy moly this comment is long as sh*t, no offense
Anybody have a TL;DR for me?
My 2 brain cells didn't get all if that
I completely agree. Finally someone who understands it.
Dude, he carried the show by playing as two villains? That is amazing! Aside from different looks than Joker, he is an outstanding actor. I really hope to see him in the Batman film one day.
“Yea that’s a spoon...”
“IT IS ALSO A FORK!”
😂😂
When they are being beaten:
Jeremiah -Calm
Jerome -smiling, laughing and having fun
It was like Jerome = Ceasar Romero's childish dangerous + Heath Ledger chaotic anarchist
Jeremiah = Jack Nicholson's successor
Hazel AZ I don't know what would throw me off more if I was beating someone up, them laughing in my face or them not reacting at all...
Well to be clear Jerome's reaction is more accurate for the Joker, since the Joker is destined to have the last laugh and Jerome has it .
Whitout Bruce's punch, laugh has not sense.
Jerome: *The wild maniac*
Jeremiah: *The scared maniac*
Scared? Preferably strategical.
@@hanz2904 Jeremiah needs to be a little more crazy in my opinion, he's just not joker enough, too emotionless sure he's intimidating, cruel and has fun plans but where's his stage presence?
@@memes_mann2778 they arent aloud to make someone the joker, both valeskas are just copys but jerome is the mad one and jeremiahs the strategic one
“Let’s go
Let’s go
Their after me and the scarecrow!”
“These guys don’t know how to gi-“
“AAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!”
When does it say that
@@steviemonaghan9999 41:44
The scene where Penguin creates a prison and Jerome foes along with it makes me laugh so hard every time!!! XD XD
Nice touch that when Jeremiah first met Bruce he was wearing a green shirt and a purple tie.
How am I just now watching this , it’s so good. Cameron is such a phenomenal actor.
Gotham's version of scarecrow is just so awesome...
...and its nice to have a joker that's actually funny
The Joker represented as two separate characters: one symbolizing his desire for chaos and sheer lunacy, and the other symbolizing his "super sanity", high intelligence, and unhealthy obsession with Bruce Wayne/Batman. And they happen to be identical twins! Names starting with the letter J! And it's been established in the comics that there's more than one. Well done writers, well done.
39:44 i love the part where jeremiah tells jerome he’s insane and jerome is just like yea and keeps smiling #longlivejerome
I love how fast he responded, there was no hesitation at all
**claps** wow.
****
Same
This is why I think Jerome was more evil than Jeremiah was. Jerome was aware of his insanity and evilness, he just didn’t care about it, he enjoyed it.
I love Jeremiah but I'm going to miss Jerome.
Same here
Salazar its literally same actor talking to himself.
Wolf Hunter same actor but completely different portrayal of the same character. That’s what makes him such a amazing actor. He’s playing two different characters that are also the same character, but portraying the two so differently that one is largely loved by the community while the other is rather looked down upon. The two act and feel so different in fact that I honestly thought that it was just the brother of the original actor the first time watching it through.
Salazar I cried when Jerome died.........is that bad
HES HOTTTTT
Jerome is a villain who I just want to win
Penguin: Threatens Jerome with a Spork*
Jerome: That’s a spoon
Penguin: It is also a FORK!
Lololololll
Jerome: I guess it's like what they say"We all could go insane with just one bad day." I guess with you it's like one bad spray, you'll see.
.... That foreshadowing
Nicholas Rose oof
I really like jerome's whole delevopment during the entire show... He started out as a conplete nobody... A simple murderer who killed his mother and was sent to arkham... When he joined the maniax, he made a name for himself, and attention was brought to him (similar to the joker in the dark knight, who wasnt a concern at first). Once he single handedly caused abolute chaos after his revival, Along with a scary, new, cut-off-face look, THATS when he was really seen as a true massive threat to gotham. And from then on, his plans kept getting bigger and bigger in scale, and more complicated to pull off, especially with his last plan to turn gotham into a madhouse.
Even the LAUGH evolved from a normal-sounding but high pitched laugh in season 2, a raspy jared leto styled laugh when he was first revived, (presumably cuz his trachea wound was in the process of healing) in season 3, and in season four, we finally get a combination of both, a raspy, high pitched, mark hamill joker laugh.
By the his death, we really see how he impacted many people's ideas on life, cuz as he said, he was is an idea and a philosophy.
Overall an excellent interpretation on the crazy side of joker... Now lets see what the calculative genius side of him is REALLY capable of in season 5 :D
JohanerBananer exactly! cant wait to see what we get from jeramiah.
valeskavich Who is that?
@@DwightLivesMatter jeremiah mah dood
@@DwightLivesMatter the second guy... The pure white guy with green eyes and red lips... Wanted to blow up gotham... Did u even watch Gotham? Lol
JohanerBananer you know nobody will be bothered to read all dat
20:17 I actually feel bad for him
Why?
I feel like Jerome has more of a Heath Ledger type of Joker, while Jeremiah is more of Mark Hamill's Joker.
Oh HELL NO Youre not hypnotizing me AGAIN
I love that scene, hilarious, cheers
41:12
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
John Leach AAAAAAAAHHHHRRRRGGG
That’s one way to do it.
Oswald looks like edgy Spider-Man 3 Peter Parker
no?
Hi
Yesent.
Yeah
True, but he is actually interesting unlike emo Peter Parker.
54:03 wow that girl is still dancing to the music with all things considered lol
Ngl I'd be dancing too 😂🤗
@@Jessappleby For me, Imma go up the stage and sing with him❤
54:02 am I the only one who thinks Jeromes impatience is hilarious😂😂😂
We all could go insane all it takes is one bad day
Zayra Arellano-White it's we all could go insane with one bad day
Zayra Arellano-White it’s “We all can go insane with just one bad day”
That one bad day already came for me HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Really? My life has been the same since day one. Hallucinations, Voices, Going Insane. Its already happened.
@@tiddybucket wow that was cringy...
*IAN GALLAGHER IS OFF HIS MEDS AGAIN*
Ahhhhhh yaaas
Kitty M HAHAHAHHA
Yasss love it
True XD
Kitty M yeah wtf
This is exactly why I love this show, even though they don't have the rights to batman and joker, they still do those characters amazingly, SO NOSTALGIC!
Everytime he'll do something bad i love it how he deliver it
Honestly I’d be happier if Gotham was just about Jerome/Jeremiah, I don’t care about any of the other story lines
Bubabdagoo Boo
Most people do care about the other storylines.
I KNOW RIGHT! I was just watching the ones with him in it.
For real tho
nooo l would be bad l love the story lines
Dude, me too. Everything else about this show is honestly pretty bad.
25:48 one of the best whistlers ive seen
👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏 Whistler of the year 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
But also in Season 2 after he killed his father
Best Line From The Best Joker..
“I believe whatever doesn’t kill you...simply makes you....Stranger...” 🃏💀
You can all go insane in one bad day
Milk PVP another amazing sentence ! 💓
He is not the best joker I’m sorry but
Phoenix Leesonbooth ledger is the best joker !?
@@Kyxzia
I mean.
Mark Hamill exists.
Jerome was the chaos, maniac and insanaty of the joker
Jeremiah was the smarts of the joker, the mind games and the creativity
20:33
Makes a man wonder...
What the hell is wrong with you?
Hahahahahhahahh
Dude. That was dark but funny asf
I wish Jerome didn’t die but succeeded in making Jeremiah’s crazy because each of them represent different incarnations if joker but the story should have rapped up with one dying but we don’t know which one this would keep the joker mystery is it Jerome or Jeremiah. And what’s left they could have blended the two versions into one true joker that would have been perfect
NerfBeard OP
We would’ve known from Jerome’s scars though.
eoghan_d4ly they could have still did something like the cemicaks could have still messed up there faces or Jerome gives Jeremiah the scars what ever it is but it would have been better this way so that way I dyed of getting the best of two jokers in deprecate people we could have a full whole perfect joker and we wouldn’t know who it is so it would have kept that mystery
They can’t use the jokers name so that can’t have happened
jeremiahs second phase is coming, or has it already *shrug, so his third emergence is/should be even better=the mad genius
Goddamnit, why did I read the comments while watching the video!?
8:48 “ONE MORE”
Ugh! Hahahahah!
I like how they technically created each other. Jeremiah turned everyone against Jerome causing him to go insane and Jerome sprayed Jeremiah with laughing gas.
"Listen to what I have to say!"
*OH HELL NO!! YOU ARE NOT HYPNOTIZING ME AGAIN. AHHHHHHHHHH*
Best part 10/10
Me running away from my problems like😂
What's the time stamp?
@@mrlemonad6187 41:13
did they say let's go or must go 😂😂😂
@@ebonyworks7947 he said must go
I love the part how he was hanging off the side of the building all that was missing was the laughing toy that Jack Nicholson
I love the first conversation between Jerome and Jeremiah. That’s one of the times Jerome looked really disappointed and sad before that insanity took over. Like all he just wanted was to talk with his brother. And you see Jerome loved Jeremiah. In a strange way but still kinda like brothers. I think that’s really fascinating!
Jana Winkler I would like to see a number of psychological profiles done on the Valeska twins. They're my favorite fixations for mental curiosties that I love.😊
I don't think the producers designed them to be entirely accurate to known psychological disorders XD
I'm guessing they're each off-shoots of ASPD, but beyond that I'm not too sure. Jerome's flamboyance and Jeremiah's flat affect are some rather interesting things to consider. Flamboyance may hint at histrionic, but histrionic melodrama tends to be more like "Oh no I'm in so much pain, pity me, pity me" or a need for affirmation rather than Jerome's bounciness. A flat affect is consistent with certain instances of ASPD, which is really pretty interesting, because generally in ASPD (and in extreme cases of Conduct Disorder before 18 years of age) there's the tendency to "switch" one's emotions on and off as the situation demands, meaning the general mood is actually one of flatness. However, someone with ASPD would generally cover up the flat affect with a faked genial emotion in order to fit in. If Jeremiah is someone artificially made into a Psychopath by the gas, then perhaps the reason for his flat affect is that he was unwittingly thrust into this personality disorder, meaning he hasn't learned to properly mask his emotional flatness with a "normal" expression. So that one is perhaps a little closer to the DSM categorizations.
I really don't know what to make of Jerome, though. It doesn't seem like his emotional bouncehouse-ness is faked, though he certainly is very skilled at acting (also akin to certain instances of ASPD, though not all). I dunno
i love how if you paid attention enough the actors in that scene looked akwardly different
@@briang.2218 As I commented in another "Valeska Bros vid" I believe the gas had nothing to do with Jeremiah`s psychopathy, it just unmasked his disorder, but he has always been like that. In other words, Jerome was a sociopath due to his abusive mother and overall, aversive childhood, while Jeremiah is the typical natural born psychopath, who used to hide it with his nerdy mask of sanity till the gas exposed him out. If you ask me, Jerome can almost fit (Almost) into Borderline personality disorder, he is like an emotional windmill, and if we look at his past… well, you got it. Jeremiah is indeed totally psychopathic. Excuse my english I`m french.
cameron is INSANE he’s so good at every role
i like how jerome wants entertainment and so when someone isn't entertaining he comes along
1:32:10 Penguin was speaking a little too loud while he was within Jeremiah’s hearing range not very smart is it,Penguin?
I thought that only I paid attention to it
@@youinmybasement7659 the director certainly didn't
@@jamesprivitelli8743 he did, I believe that was the idea
"must go! must go! must go! They are after me and the Scarecrow!" /MadHatter 41:45
Lol me when having sex *let's go, let's go, let's go, let's go*
Lol
Legend has it that Jerome still doesn’t know who that lady is
Who?
@@superiorspider-nava1943exactly.
i love how they constantly address the whole ginger thing 🖤
Why do I feel like Jeremiah fell right into Jerome's trap since he destroyed Gotham which is what Jerome wanted from the beginning he didnt care what happened to Gotham afterwards so long as it was destroyed.
Meaning Jeremiah completed Jerome's mission for him without even knowing it
Actually it was all Jeremiah's mission because as jerome said he had turned everyone against him as a child, meaning Jeremiah had been planning this since he was a little kid
Thats kind of the point
papastew I think that Jeremiah just felt unsafe around Jermone as a child so he planted everybody against Jerome. I think Jerome's revenge against Jeremiah was because Jeremiah believed more than ever that he was completely sane, but Jerome knew.
Jerome knew that they were both crazy, no matter what Jeremiah said, so his ultimate revenge was to make him exactly how Jerome was. Jerome's plan was to cause a little chaos. He knew that he wasn't planned far enough ahead in time to complete his ultimate goal--to end Gotham. So thats where Jeremiah came into play.
He was so bent on NOT being Jerome thats exactly what he became.
@@caden8239 to turn everyone against his brother is not a plan to destroy gotham.. is just a jealous and hate act about his brother nothing more... so no it was nt jeremiah plan.... jeremiah wasnt insane as a kid he was just a bad kid with brother issues.... But all this made jerome who are now, his plan was to kick jerome out of the family no to make him insane it wasnt on purpose
Jeremiah was crazy as a kid, jerome was not.
Jeremiah made Jerome crazy by turning everyone against him, trauma.
Jerome is a sociopath, Jeremiah is a psychopath.
omigosh lol I just realized that around 49:02 the band on the stage is literally playing "nananananananana BATMAN!!!" Bravo Gotham 👏🏻
Good ear! Wow
I never noticed that darlin, and I'm ment to a have musical ear, well noticed/heard, cheers
49:10 BATMAAAN
I saw that too pretty cool right
You absolute musical ear you
I love how Gordon and Jeremiah are fighting over who gets to keep Jerome lmao