Aemond Targaryen || Character Analysis: The Consequences Of Your Actions
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- What do you see when you look at Aemond Taragyen? A bully? A murderer? A monster? Or a boy constantly pushed down a dark road with no way to turn back? Hopefully with this character analysis I'll be able to shed some light on Aemond Targaryen and show he's more than meets the eye.
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Aemond never thought an eye was a fair exchange for a dragon he was just trying to stop his mother from doing something that would result in his father killing her.
Especially if his father has no qualms with rhenyera’s threats of torture against his son for speaking the truth (that’s what rhenyera wanted to be done to aemond in the books)
@@arunsingla3452 in my eyes "question sharply" means torture so she asked for it here as well
It feels like Aemond’s villainy is a performance.
He feels like a mix of Middle Child Syndrome and “A Child Not Embraced By The Village”, and he’s trying to rewrite the narrative of his trauma, but goes too far in overcompensating.
Yeah, after a while, you've gotta see how his childhood (anyone's childhood) is certainly pivotal to adulthood. We see a direct correlation here, with the timeskip being its own catalyst.
The 2nd Son who's now in the forefront, reminding people that he's not to be disregarded as "lesser".
Correct.
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It's Alicent's fault Aemond has this complex in the first place.
@@happilyevernever4289 How?
@@happilyevernever4289I think it's more Viserys tbh. Alicent has been the only one to have shown any sort of concern or worry for him
Aemond is my favorite character in HotD so far
Same me too
Who would doubt that 🤦♂️
Bad he’s him.
He's a fuckin badass
Justice for Aemond
I'd like to ad some details. Aemond only picks up a rock after getting attacked by a THIRD person and there was even a fourth one around getting ready to dive in. Then we have to consider that Jace didn't find the blade laying around in the cavern, he TOOK it there, or his brother did. Still, they were out for blood from the start. Also Aemond got the dragon before losing his eye, he didn't exchange anything. He was robbed!!!
your blacks mob conveniently missed all of these details.
@@jkbzz I'd like to add a nother level of detail to what I said. Imean, yes, Aemond did lose his ey because he got Vhagar, but the thing is... Vhagar didn't charge an eye. If anyone was to demand anything it should be her
@@YmustTh3w0rldG0r0und No! Go watch the season again!
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Kids Fighting | Prince Aemond | House of the Dragon 1x7 (HD) on youtube
I agree on Aemond not being to Blame for the fight that cost his eye.
But Viserys Not caring is not true.
His son's eye was already lost. It doesn't Really matter which child is to Blame, because kids fight. Sometimes they push the other, sometimes the pushed topples over into the mud...when you are unlucky they fall down the stairs and die. Doesn't make the Kid pushing any more Vicious.
Viserys surely doesn't care about Aemond Calling Rhaenyras kids names. It is that he has this word from a rumor. A Rumor that can get those kids killed, kickstart a war, dethrone his daughter, Ruin the realm and devastate the people. He longs to know who Spreads the Rumor....and put a stop to it. For everyone's sake - Aemond's too.
From Aemond's perspective his father cared more about his grandsons being insulted than him beeing assaulted and mamed. But Viserys sure has other things going on.
Aemond only became a “monster” when he realized his father would never defend or look out for him. Sure, Alicent did her best to defend him, but she had no real power. He learned a hard lesson in that the only one who could defend him was himself, which he proved when he became a force of nature by training with Cole.
That makes a good point.
People who watched the finale when it leaked said it was as bad as Season 8 but after I watched it I have no clue why. Aemond being overconfident and _accidentally_ killing lucerys instead of doing it on purpose was a great reframing to me. It shows he's not evil for having a chip on his shoulder. Instead he's the perfect son that messed up.
I really cannot wait to see how Alicent and Otto will react to what he's done and wether he will own it or not.
The book readers like myself hated that scene because it was butchering Aemond's character . Aemond is a cold blooded killer with no remorse , not a bully with regrets ! He is a skilled warrior with the largest dragon . It doesn't make sense for him to be terrified of Rhaenyra after he killed his son !
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Both events aren't mutually exclusive. Aemond is still a cold-blooded vile asshole with an inferiority complex who thinks he's equal to Daemon, and killing his cousin by accident because he can't actually control Vhagar like he thought he could fits that perfectly.
Lucerys' death being kinda accidental is also interesting, because it symbolizes the fact the historians are describing events from outsider persepectives that range from misinformed and unreliable to shady and self-serving. The real events (which we are watching) were lost to history, and the future generations of Westeros only know the foggy accounts that missed or left out a lot of context.
According to my sources, neither Otto or Alicent are happy with Aemond about what happened with Lucerys, they both hold him completely responsible for it, not Vhaegar, not only has he made war inevitable now, but he’s also publicly dishonoured their family, because bastard or not, killing a messenger in war times is a grave violation of the rules of warfare, it’s like guest right, you just don’t do it.
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Of course they aren't. They wanted to steal the throne and guilt-trip Rhaenyra into giving up, control Aegon and quietly eliminate Valyrian dragon-stapled culture from King's Landing quietly. Now they have to deal with an entire family of bloodthirsty dragon-riders out for payback, and rightfully look even more of bad guys than they already did/were.
7:26 Facts, homie got jumped, and defended himself.
Also, Aemond and Rhaena never really speaking on the matter is something I feel like is a shame. Imagine THAT conversation, all those years later. Aemond speaks of how Dragons aren't an heirloom (in a non-dickish way, of course)
Also, everyone saying Aemond can't control Vhagar: you're right. He can't, no one can. Dragons are kinds like cats. They do as they please, and might listen if they feel like it. Had anyone else been up there with Vhagar or another dragon, and Arrax attacked them... well, that dragon is 100% chomping him, "skilled rider" or not. 😅
Aemond is like that nerdy kid who came back from military school ready to return the swirlies the bullies gave him
I didn't read the book ,but at least on the show . They never apologized or reached out years later for taking his EYE.
Neither in the book, while it's possible it isn't in character for any of the Blacks to do
Why should they apologize when he attack them? At the end of the day they’re supposed to be family and those are his nephews…
@@marcusgilmore5211 I don't know about in the book . But on the show I remember Aemond getting jumped by 4 people .
@@brinshido3953 he said harsh things to them they’re supposed to be family represent one house that’s how I see it unity. I just finished the show I prefer House Stark. I didn’t read the books but I should to understand more…
@@marcusgilmore5211 hahaha 😆 🤣 yea he did straight up call Jayce and Luke Bastards . With that said , all four kids attacked . It was 1 on 4 . You're right tho ,they are family. To my understanding, the book goes more into how much the kids are groomed more and more to hate each other .
Aemond isn’t the villain, he’s an antihero and honestly I sympathise with him, Alicent, Aegon and Helaena and Daeron more. They’re victims of Viserys’s negligence.
Great video it’s absolutely crazy to me that people think a child deserves to have his eye cut out for being mean to other kids.
I've yet to see anyone think he deserved it. What I take issue with is this video implying that Jace was in the wrong... Aemond wasn't "being mean to other kids," he was threatening to bludgeon the head of a much younger boy with a rock. He was the first to bring lethal force to the fight, even if it was an empty threat (in which case, how was Jace supposed to know that?)
The whole POINT of the scene is that the whole THING is a tragedy, but that neither side is the bad/evil side. Aemond didn't DESERVE to have his eye cut out, but it WAS the consequence of his action of threatening to kill/maim Luke.
@@reddest-xAlso, Aemond barely had a dragon for 60 seconds and was already threatening to burn the younger boy to death “like his father” .
@@reddest-x4vs1 is lethal force, especially with children fighting in a cave with rocks around kicking his head on the ground. a rock matches the 4vs1, the 4 kids had no right doing any of that aemond had every right to pick up a rock against multiple people.
I agree on Aemond not being to Blame for the fight that cost his eye.
But Viserys Not caring is not true.
His son's eye was already lost. It doesn't Really matter which child is to Blame, because kids fight. Sometimes they push the other, sometimes the pushed topples over into the mud...when you are unlucky they fall down the stairs and die. Doesn't make the Kid pushing any more Vicious.
Viserys surely doesn't care about Aemond Calling Rhaenyras kids names. It is that he has this word from a rumor. A Rumor that can get those kids killed, kickstart a war, dethrone his daughter, Ruin the realm and devastate the people. He longs to know who Spreads the Rumor....and put a stop to it. For everyone's sake - Aemond's too.
From Aemond's perspective his father cared more about his grandsons being insulted than him beeing assaulted and mamed. But Viserys sure has other things going on.
Aemond is a shadow manace. The moment he says "don't mourn me mother, it was a fair exchange" (or something that) he grows up. Grows up at child age - unlike Aegon who never grows up. It's hard to grow up from underneath your mother's skirt.
He obviously only grew up in appearance.😂😂 Look at what he did in Storm's end.
@crassgop according to the book he was always been bold, wild, willful, hot tempered and unforgiving since childhood just like vhagar. him bonding with her is no coincidence or luck and also according to the book vhagar sensed luke and arrax's coming first to storm's end and so powerfully rage roared that it shaked the whole castle. that just tells us that him and vhagar were always been holding a grudge since the eye incident.
Like Aemond says, if you wanted the dragon, then you should have claimed it. Right now, they know where it is. But it could fly off at any time and it’ll be gone. He just risked being eaten by that monster and now they’re gonna yell at him for it? For the sake of their family, they needed to see it was claimed before they do anything else.
True a dragon has to rightful “owner” BUT it had already been stated that Rhaena was gonna attempt to bond with vhagar the only reason it was prioritized because IT WAS STILL THE DAY OF HER MOMS FUNERAL sometime we see the work of asoiaf as just cruel and hard but these characters have feelings and actually deserve to mourn their loved ones
Don't give us that bullshit. He stole Vhagar hours after THEIR MOTHER'S FUNERAL. Aemond has no excuse beyond his stupid inferiority complex for the bullshit he pulls, save Allicent being a bitch.
@@daenerys9640 If I remember correctly in the book it was stated that she wanted to claim Vhagar when she was older in a few years. So it had nothing to do with it being the funeral. She just expected that everyone would hold off of claiming the dragon for years.
Between Laenas death and the funeral were a few months. So she had lots of time to make up her mind. She is younger than Aemond, so it makes sense for her to wait until she was older. But she can't expect for others to wait for years. Someone should have explained to her that that's not how claiming works.
Aemond doesn't get to play his victim card when he can't take a simple joke. He antagonized the shit out of them. He could've gone about it in a different way. But he chose to be a jerk and escalated the fight along with them and got the repercussions.
@@happilyevernever4289okay. So blinding a kid is okay to you if the insult hurts your feelings. The only court that would work is one run by the favoritism of weak, wooly headed Viserys.
Aemond finally revealing it was an accident at the battle of the godseye is something i GOTTA see
Facts, I want to hear Aemond kinda pour out his torment/anguish to Daemon.
Maybe ask him "do you know what it was like to vie for that man's affection" in regards to his father. And Daemon could probably sympathize with that, considering he's felt the same way about Viserys plenty of times.
@@thalmoragent9344
U don't do it by killing your kin tho.
@happilyevernever4289
Aemond didn't want Luke dead, and it was an accident. Daemon, despite proclaiming his love for his family and defense of House Targaryen, has willingly called for the heads of other Targaryens. Prince Jaehaerys being prime example, for the Blood and Cheese incident.
@@happilyevernever4289 I think he means as a respect thing of course daemon can relate to feeling distract and discarded by viserys but it doesn't mean the battle would stop they are all ready at all out war and by this point the dragons would already be in the air fighting since we know that even before the war the dragons of the blacks and greens were snapping at each other
And the "You have lived too long uncle." "On that we agree."
Aemond saying “it was a fair exchange ” was solely to deescalate the situation when he realized he nor his mother was going to get viserys backing in the injustice his son suffered at the hands of his grandsons, I say that to say to people who like to say “ it was years after it happened and he himself said it was a fair trade, so why the hell is he still salty and would want to take Luke’s eye??”. Well there was NOTHING FAIR ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED TO AEMOND!!! Ask yourself this what exactly did baela, jace, aegon, luke, helaena, Joffrey, daemon, rhaenyra etc. have to sacrifice to claim a dragon???????? The timing was insensitive sure I’ll give the blacks that but vhagar ALLOWED HIM TO CLAIM HER, she could’ve burned him to smithereens if she wanted to. To conclude viserys was a POS for avoiding the fact that his son was brutally maimed and instead of worrying about his son he is instead more concerned who said this treasonous (BUT COMPLETELY TRUE) thing about his whore daughter and aemond realized his mother was the only person in that room willing to even fight for him so he intern decided to save her by calling the situation “a fair exchange” but he himself knew that was a lie and anyone that expects a child to let go having an eye cut out😐 while never even getting as much as a touch of affection from his father, that aemond wouldn’t be hateful towards the individual that cut out said eye?????? It’s completely understandable how he got to that point. And not just some random monstrous act that.
Also notice how those same people are more upset at Aemond claiming Vhagar than they are at Rhaenyra claiming Daemon the night of his wife's funeral?
@@MrFredstt are you trying to criticize the blacks??????? How UNTHINKABLE OF YOU😂😂
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What does one thing have to do with the other? Daemon and Rhaenyra already have a complex past.
Aemond just stole Vhagar so he could feel like a badass because he got pranked that one time, and he is the first one to escalate things by grabbing a rock to bash two girls' skulls.
Both Aemond and Allicent can go to the Seven Hells, and so can everyone who's defending them because they think they are hot or whatever bullshit reason they have.
@@DeathMessenger1988 Dragons can't be stolen.
@@DeathMessenger1988okay, let's ignore that not only did rhaenyra supposedly adored and respect laena, so that's even more dirty that she's fucks her widow on the night of her funeral, but also that rhaenyra says herself it's a political move for her and daemon to marry. if aemon "stole" a dragon, who has free will and can't be claimed but has to consent to bonding w/ someone (what part nettle's story didn't make that clear for you?), then rhaenyra is just as bad at the least
i swear, the way y'all eat rhaenyra's shit like it's brownies then wonder why everyone avoids your stank breath like the plague is crazy
im such an Aemond defender
I bet Otto wishes Aemond was born first. Team Green baby💚💚
Exactly. Lot of people overlook the fact it was Jace who pulled a knife and blame Aemond for threatening him with a rock. Aemond might have deserved a punch for being jerk but he did not deserve to get crippled for life. He was a kid too. 9:00
Aemond were jumped by 4 kids, defended himself, lost an eye, and all because he claimed a dragon something that is just expected by any targaryen and something that is depending more of the dragon than the rider itself. Yet team black still says aemond were in the wrong ??? really whats wrong with your brains ???
You mean Aemond didn't start bullying them about their dead parents first? Or maybe didn't look down upon them for being bastards later on? I suppose we all imagined that when watching the episode.
Sarcasm aside, U do realize due to the level of escalation of the fight it very well could have been Jace with a gash on his head by the rock Aemond picked up and threatened them with, right?
@@happilyevernever4289He only used the rock after Jace swung with a knife.
@@happilyevernever4289They are the ones who attacked him first 4v1
Why will he care about those bastards. What he said was right and they bullied him for years and you expect him to care about them
Lucerys literally came whit a knife planning to hurt or kill aemond.
Aemond found the stone there
Lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastards. Not because he wanted to protect his brother
Aemond is definitely going to own the kill. Better to be labelled a kinslayer than admitting he couldn't control his dragon. It would ruin his hard-core image. As well as, like you said, not likely believed anyway.
Great video. Mostly agree. Seriously though Aemond was asking for trouble using a war dragon in such a reckless way. I agree he didn't intend to kill his nephew but seriously he should have seen this coming.
I mean, it's difficulty to see most things coming w/1 eye 🥁 📀
Lol🤣
I dont blame him. If a little shitback cut out my eye, i would probably antagonize him in every way that i could.
Agreed. I love Aemond and I think it's where his confidence becomes arrogance. Because after he kills Luke, he looks down to see Arrax's remains, and the intense regret on his face makes him look like he's about to throw up at the sight. Even if he doesn't care that Luke's dead, he understands he did something major he cannot take back. He should've absolutely seen that coming, but he clearly got drunk off his own power
He probably should have seen that coming, but after being bullied by his own family throughout almost all his developmental years for not having a dragon and then claiming the largest living creature in the world at the time, he probably felt on top of the world despite losing an eye. I almost wish we could have seen a little more of Aemond between losing his eye and where Ewan Mitchell picked up the role, maybe finding people respect him more and maybe even fear him. Hell I’d be scared if the rider of the largest living flying flamethrower was someone I made fun of as a child. It’s easy to see how he could’ve easily become incredibly arrogant, leading to that recklessness that causes him to make the biggest f*ckup he could have made in that situation. God I love this show
I said that about Aemond and Daemon having to prove themselves. The only difference though, is that Viserys embraces Daemon over his son.
I’m glad you mention it bc it’s crazy to me how much people dont understand why Aemond never got over his eye. He only said it was fair to try to appease his mother
Like imagine someone cut out your eye. You’d always feel something about it. Keeping in mind he was just a boy when it happened to him
This also resembles Tyrions story arc (in the books) he is always seen as the little monster that killed his mother, and after the purple wedding, after he kills Tywin and learns an ugly truth from Jaime, he sets out for revenge against his family and westeros as a whole. He sets out to become the monster they always thought he was. Because, he is now a Kinslayer and no one will believe otherwise, so he embraces it. He wears it like armor so it can never be used to hurt him.
dont forget that aemond losing an eye has an impact on his future. losing an eye and being disabled in any way, can lower his marriage prospects than what a Two-eyed Aemond would be able to secure. why would a lord give a one-eyed guy his first born daughter when he can get away with giving him his second born daughter who has no lands to inherit.
He won't be impacted by his marriage prospect he is the prince after all, but yeah, living with one-eye ladies won't look kindly on him.
@@heartlesslove9084 he will be impacted, obviously he can get away with it more than a petty lord but Westeros is not kind to people with disabilities or who are deformed by an injury. Its something lords will take into account when marrying their daughters off. it becomes a negotiation to see how much they can get, while giving as little as possible. If they can get away with giving him their ugliest, youngest daughter with the smallest dowry who has no chance of inheriting their house, they will definitely try. All betrothals start with a negotiation over the lady's dowry. Even if Aemond gets the wife he wants the lord can justify giving him less land, gifts and money on account of his disability. prince or not a missing eye makes him "incomplete". Ideally Aemond would be a prince with two eyes. for example If two-eyed aemond is worth giving 12 acres of land to then one-eyed aemond is worth 8 acres. in fact, at Storms End right before Aemonds reunion with Luke, Borros Baratheon was haggling with Aemond over his dowry. Its not as simple as "I am a prince i demand your most beautiful wealthiest eldest daughter NOW"
@@Shenanakins so they have a drowsy system for the ladies in Westoros?
@@happilyevernever4289 yes. we hear about it a few times. Jaime went to the riverlands when he was younger so that Hoster could meet him in person about being betrothed to Lysa who had a good dowry. Aemond and borros are discussing the dowry when Lucerys enters storms end. Roose Bolton married the fattest Frey girl because Walder offered him "the bride's weight in silver" as a dowry.
Out of all the relationships that didn't happen because of the animosity in their family, Rhaena/Aemond is the one that saddens me the most. Just like you have said, there's so much in common between those two. And they could have found a much needed kindred spirit in each other. Alas.
I agree they didn't have bad blood. I think they may have even looked and gave a quick toast to each other in e8. But what exactly do they have in common?
@@Thrawn23. both didn't have a dragon while desperately wanting one, both were quiet and gentle kids who were a little bit of outsiders in their respective families, both a touch insecure, both had a much closer relationship with their mothers rather than fathers.
@@M0joPin true I do think Baela and Rhaena could have been good friends with Aemond regardless of whether he claimed Vhagar or not. That will go on my 'what if' list.
@@Thrawn23. Yup Viserys also did Daemon dirty, like I know he may be a little fucked up but giving something to have an income. This situation may not have even happened if Rhaena and baela grew up at Kings landing. But then again they were only qdded in the show.
@@azankhan88 I agree but I don't think Daemon would have allowed them to be there. And I don't think they would have enjoyed it even if they got along with their cousins. I think a friendship between Rhaena and Aemond would be interesting as she would soften him and could potentially stop the fighting between there factions
Wow bro this video is beautiful, I haven't seen someone put into words what Aemond was going through so well via video form. And ur line about consequences being a MUST when it comes to family really touched my soul because i have lived through and had to deal with when that doesn't happen. Aemond is my second favorite character after his mother, for not only his plight but for the waste of potential we are seeing with him due to Viserys' failures and him being embroiled in this conflict. Of all of the royal family, only He, Alicent, and dare I say even Otto have handled and viewed things from a mostly objective standpoint and quite often made choices for the greater good despite it going aginst their personal feelings.
I mean if my cousin decided to take the last memory of my mother that I had left on the exact same night of her funeral, I would be throwing hands too 💀💀💀
That's the thing that cuts this argument down - the fight, the dragon claiming and the lose of the eye was all done on the night of the funeral. Not months or even days after it. Aemond when older claims to be the better candidate for king than his brother, but this act here is a precusor to his tunnel vision and his inability to read the consequences of his actions that escalated the conflict rather than knowing when to let something go even just for a short while.
If we are meant to think that in the show the boys hadn't seen each other since the night of the fight to the meal then Aemond has less impulse control than Daemon had and no-one would have thought Daemon was a good candidate for king.
I have one phrase for you the dragon belongs to no one !
It's childish to be obsessed with something that doesn't belong to you ur mom!
@@just_by_luck it's not even about the dragon though. Its about the memory of her mother. Yea it's childish... Bc they're children??? 💀💀💀Rhaena grew up with Vhagar and Caraxes, it's all she's ever known. Aemond could've easily waited until morning or at least given Rhaena a chance to try and claim Vhagar. Sure she has no right to the dragon but it's the kind thing to do when she just lost her mother and its all she has left. I doubt they were on Driftmark/Hightide for a day when it takes weeks or months to sail. The fight could've been prevented had Aemond just waited.
@@sushi1328 So because he didn't do the "Kind" thing it's okay for them to fucking jump him? He knew he couldn't allow the blacks to get Vhagar, because that is literally the largest and most powerful of dragons. It was extremely important that Aemond got that dragon, or else his house would have been dwarfed by the sheer dragon power of the blacks, and it's absolutely ok for him to try to claim a now riderless dragon.
@@higharchbishopofteatasting6217 i don't think Aemond was thinking that far ahead lol. He literally just wanted a dragon and went for the closest he could find. Like when he ventured into the dragon pit after the pink dread incident. Again they're children. 10 year olds nor 6 year olds still don't really understand how serious his injury was, especially growing up around constant violence. Aemond, however, being older than the other kids understands compassion and sympathy. He wanted to speak with Jace at the funeral but just didn't know how to approach bc his mom was watching. It's clear the boys wanted to be close, but the family feud didn't allow them to. Aemond only became cocky after claiming Vhagar. That doesn't excuse the boys slashing his eye out. But I side with Rhaena with the punch, she was angry and saddened her cousin would do that to her. She should've at least gotten the chance. Aemond could've easily claimed it after if Rhaena had failed.
I always liked aemond even before the show and thought he was a cool strong character but this rethinking of him makes me love him and one of my favorites
The kids were just being kids and acting like cousins to be honest like them fighting is normal lol unfortunately, real life consequences hit due to them acting out. Anyway Aemond has easily become my favorite Targaryen. This was such a well done character analysis❤
I got so excited when I saw this video because I eat up any Aemond content with a spoon! You're absolutely right too. I'm so excited to see more of him in s2.
Aemond and daemon by far my favorite characters in the house of dragon can’t wait to see their battle 💯
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Daemondbowl lol.
I love this breakdown!!! 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
Frankly, Viserys should have cut out Lucearys eye and scarred his face in the exact way. For calling for the "sharp questioning" of her brother - she should have been disinherited on the spot.
I feel like if you like aemond you can relate or understand his pain and those don’t never felt what he’s felt
You do a great job diving into Aemond and exploring his character! Yeah I agree, he said “it was worth it” more to diffuse tensions and try to end the situation rather than actually being over it.
I actually really liked this change from the book to make Luc’s death an accident.
Aemond is a teenager but he’s not actively an idiot. At this stage, it’s a war of ravens and alliance making, with the goal to get as many lords on your side as possible so as to pressure the other claimant to step down before there’s an actual war. Killing Luke-who bastard or no was still the recognized legal heir to Driftmark-gains them nothing and only picks a fight with one of the richest, most powerful houses in Westeros who already have close ties to Rhaenyra.
Not to mention a PR nightmare. Killing a peaceful messenger and making himself kinslayer besides? There is NO WAY to spin that in a way that looks good. And as you laid out so wonderfully, there is no way the truth will be believed. (Plus in terms of historical precedent, Maegor the Cruel did famously usurp and later kill his nephew Aegon the Uncrowned in a dragon fight so…not a great look).
That being said Luke’s death is still Aemond’s fault. Yes Vhagar and Arax went rogue but he was the one who ordered Vhagar to chase and bite at Luke’s heels. Vhagar, a dragon of war and conquest, who as we could see can swallow Luke WHOLE. Even without the intent of lethal harm this is WILDLY irresponsible at best.
This sets him up to be so, SO interesting in season 2 I can’t wait.
You have to be willfully ignorant to think Aemond started the fight. He's 100% innocent, and it's crazy that the girl thinks she owns Vhaegar like a slave and thinks she gets to dictate who she belongs to. I'm big on self defense, you should never throw a first punch, but if someone else aggresses on you, you have every right to stop them any way you can; screw those that think team black are even vaguely innocent.
I loved this video! The point you make about Aemond were so well put. I've always leaned more towards team black but definitely felt bad for the team green kids and this just sums it up perfectly.
i loved and resonated with Aemond.
I love that Aemond and, to an extent, the other children are the consequences of the adults' actions and neglect. However it is more evident in Aemond. He didn't become a monster like Aegon but he is the result of their hatred and neglect.
He did tho. He killed Luke because he couldn't control his temper.
@@happilyevernever4289 Rather, he couldn't control Granny Vhaegar's temper.
Wow!! 👏👏👏 now this is a proper take on Aemond. Never thought about the similarities between both aemond & baela about their place in their family and wanting a dragon and how betrayed he felt after Viserys dismissal of the incident. All of it.. Well done sir 👍👍
Thanks so much for being a lovely lore channel that DOESNT use AI narration.
Once youre able to identify the little tells of AI narration it gives you a headache from the off-intonation.
Your voice is so smooth tyvm
EXACTLY. Lucearys swung at Aemond's linen covered torso with a knife - twice! He could have killed him.
Yeah and the rock Aemond was going to smash into Jace's skull wasn't going to do any damage at all...
@@reddest-x Aemond was twice his size, if he wanted a hit with that rock to kill him, he would have. V brought a knife to an argument and blinded a prince, he needed a serious punishment and R should have called for it herself to show that she would be a fair and just Queen. Her actions practically ensured a civil war.
@@jt7638 @jt7638 ??? Yes, Aemond COULD have murdered that young child. I don't see your point here.
If your point was that it was an empty threat, then have you considered that the other (younger) child in the situation had no way of knowing that?
And you think Jace should be punished for defending his brother against a death threat???
Given, in the scene it's never discussed that Aemond brought a lethal weapon into the fight first (or at least it's impossible to tell because all the kids are shouting) so you have a point about the scene as it played. But we, the audience, know that Aemond (again, the eldest boy there!!!) brandished a lethal weapon first, and you really think Jace should be punished for reacting accordingly???
@@reddest-x I have commented extensively on this, and do not wish to do more for someone who did not watch it to see what happened. Enjoy the show. Goodbye.
@@jt7638 I did watch it??? Did you??????
I do hope you enjoy the show but I also hope you watch the next season more carefully than you did this one lol
All points in this video are amazing and i agree with all of them, so i will not reiterate them. I am blind in one eye, born this way, with nothing to be done about it (malformed pupil, genuinely nothing can be done). I have no depth perception, and just a few days ago i sustained yet another injury because of it (i do not see in 3d like most people do, which means calculating distances is a challenge sometimes). Aemond to me is relatable for two reasons: how he is being judged based on appearance (he hides the scar because it is deemed unsightly by his peers), and he has to overcome his disability to thrive - has to work twice as hard to achieve things that other characters have, such as being a good sword fighter. He is relatable also because I understand his struggles as mentioned above (my blind eye looks to one side at all times, and is smaller than my good eye, so my appearance is less than ideal - and i struggle with some every day tasks like climbing up and down the stairs, as an example). To have been born able, and then suffered an injury like Aemond, in a less than fair fight - many against one - i understand his anger. I don't have a basis of comparison, i didn't suffer a transition from being able-bodied to being disabled. But i suspect it hurts a lot more, precisely because of the memory of what was lost.
As for what happened with Lucerys, NO the kid didn't deserve this at all, but.... In my opinion what led to didn't come from a place of stupidity and meanness on Aemond's part. It was righteous anger - and i know that part of the discussion on the topic is that Luke was a kid, Aemond is older. I don't see how that affects the outcome of their previous scuffle: lucerys took aemond's eye (not intentionally, but the damage was done), and Aemond was angry about it. I would be too, i suspect others might be angry too. Whether that anger can be reigned in and controlled or not.... Depends on the individual. But i understand the struggles and the pain that come with a disability like Aemond's. Doesn't mean i excuse all of his behaviours, or even what happened to Luke. Intentionally or not, Aemond caused Luke's demise. But i understand what led to it, and i don't think Aemond should be blamed for the feelings he had in regards to Luke. But he should be blamed, maybe, for his reaction. The sky chase was stupid, done out of anger and spite. But the confrontation in the Baratheon hall? Sorry, I understand the mutiny perfectly. The eye for an eye attitude. I get it.
It's not the bigger man type of response, it really isn't. But it's a valid attitude to have.
Which doesn't mean i condone the idea that Luke should have lost an eye either.
It's simply that i understand Aemond's anger and reactions. I don't think they are stupid, or without cause. On the contrary, i think their cause is very VERY valid. He was disabled in a scuffle of many against one person. And even his reactions within that scuffle, before losing his eye, was understandable. I was involved in a scuffle similar to that one, and I just wish to say the fact that he grabbed a rock and wanted to cause damage with it? Understandable. When you're in a situation like that, you don't think what the "bigger person response" would be, you don't think that you should disauade the attackers with words. You just think of a way to defend yourself, and possibly cause some damage. Yes, the attackers were kids... But so was he.
It's astounding how people acted like a kid mounting a dragon was more inconsiderate than Daemon mounting Rhaenyra right after his wife died. Like bruh 💀
Aemond only showed what Viserys talked about in episode one. He said that any control the Targaryens had was an illusion. The dragons controls who rides them.
As an aside, I partly blame Daemon for what happened that night. His wife and daughter acknowledged that his interests in them was to a degree their values as dragon riders. He should have been on top of Rheayna claiming Vaghar as soon as Leana died. Maybe he was giving a respectable amount of mourning time, but no one seemed to care when Aemond "stole" Vaghar. Instead that night he was claiming Rhaenyra.
Do we imagine that Leana was put through the same tests by Vaghar as Aemond?
This is stupid. They were grieving their mother. The last thing on their mind would be Vagar. Daemon’s wife and child had just died.
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Nothing I say is stupid, Cori.
However, your reading comrehenion skills need improving I said in the comment that you're calling stupid that it's possible Daemon was waiting a respectable amount of time before helping Rhaena claim Vaghar if he had plans to do it. Perhaps in your rush to troll people you missed that that's what people do during a grieving period. It's really a nuisance to have to deal with people with such low understanding of written words or how to express themselves when discussing a show so rich with nuance.
@coricori7661 It's funny how everyone overlooks that Daemon didn't mind having sex with another woman on the very night of his wife's funeral, interesting way of mourning. But 10 year old Aemond somehow should've been understanding enough to let his only opportunity to claim a dragon for himself (which equals stop his bullying and become a "true targaryen ") slip away. Also given the fact that Daemon, Laena and their girls lived in Penthos Aemond and Raena were as good as total strangers to each other, it's quite stupid to expect him to sacrifice his dream of having a dragon to spare the feelings of a girl he has never met before this day.
Question: If Jace and Luke had no intention to harm Aemond, why did they bring a knife in the first place? They didn’t find it lying around and grab it on a whim. They intended to harm someone.
Thank you for your character analysis. I'm not even finished with the entire video and I'm already certain it's one of the most thoural, objective, and honest one of seen on HotD.
People like the blacks more than the greens because Daemon. The Greens are the "good guys" for the most part.
Both parties are at fault, but Daemons people are definitely worse.
There are no good guys. There's flawed characters
@@happilyevernever4289 Read the fckin comment
This should have never happen. I think most of the issues amongst the kids lays completely on the adults shoulders. And as for the confrontation between the kids, it was a difficult and emotional situation that no children would be expected to deal with well. I personally blame Alicent for a lot of it, but Rheanera(?) also holds some responsibility for how the kids have behaved towards each other.
Jayce escalating the fight is actually understandable: Rhaenyra always refused to adress the bastardry accusations and encouraged her sons to suppress the emotions that came with them. Sooner or later he was going to lash out. Aemond provided the trigger.
Not to make excuses, but since he's a kid, I do think some perspective is required.
Yeah, he was definitely a little biased when discussing the children fighting. Other than that, great video.
Yeah it’s entirely understandable for sure, especially since his dad just died and he hasn’t been allowed to mourn him etc. Aemond was pressing his berserk button. It was wrong but no shit he blew up over it.
It’s really the same with all of them. All those kids had some recent trauma or pain that caused them to act out, and all of it could have been avoided; All of those kids were failed by the adults there and it’s heartbreaking.
Aemond is NOT a kinslayer.Vaygar killed the boy and his dragon not Aemond.Aemond told Vaygar no Vaygar did what Vaygar wanted to do.
Rare enough for me subscribe after one video. Good work.
@TheEmpyreanSpeaks Do you know when Aegon’s video will come out? And who’s other videos will you do?
Aegon’s video should come out this week. Hopefully within the next few days. I plan on doing more characters from the show like Viserys, Rhaenyra and others. As well as characters from different shows once I get to them. So stayed tuned!
Thank you so much. I would love to hear more about Rhaenyra’s/Viserys, non-existent relationship with Aegon and the rest of Alicent’s children and how that affected them,especially Aegon and Aemond. Those non existent relationships are what i’m so excited to hear about that in the further videos about Aegon/Viserys/Rhaenyra. I hope you get into that more if you find it convenient.
@@TheEmpyreanSpeakswhat led to the fight is how aemond delivered the verbal message and he claimed a dragon during a funeral
After I subscribe to your channel I'll look forward to watching your other character videos. Thx again
Yes, but look at the lesson Viserys taught Rhaenyra. Rumors mean more than truth... people's perception of you matters more than anything else. So when Aemond is scolded for spreading rumors, Viserys lashes out... In very much the same way that he lashed out at Rhaenyra after going to the brothel.
I am Team Black for numerous reasons but I completely agree with everything in this analysis. In another life Aemon coyld have been Daemon's son with how similar they are in character and bravado.
I have a question❓🙏
How old is Aemond supposed to be?
It's kinda hard to pinpoint in the show canon.
I'd say between 16 and 20 but I'm not that sure.
I THINK Aegon is supposed to be 20 when he says that Viserys had "20 years" to name his heir and I would imagine Aemond is a few years younger so probably anywhere from 16-19
He's like 16 or so I'm pretty sure. He wasn't born before the ten year time jump, and then there's the six year time jump and a few years in between.
Great video! Aemond is my favorite ❤️ Two quick points however- Aegon Participated in the bullying regarding the black dread pig and Aemond was about to literally smash someone’s head and I would take that as self-defense though I see your point- And it was horrifying the lack of consideration to the damage done, and not make sure if he was all right instead of Reahnera just busting through the door pointing fingers yelling when these are children seriously injured
Quickly correction that the rock was firstly to get them off of him and after to get them to back down. He drops the rock which shows he had no intention of actually bashing their heads in. And, tbh, when you're on your back with 4 people on top of you beating the shit out of you would you not be desperate and reach for anything to get your attackers off?
Just a point in the show it’s made very clear that calling him a bastard isn’t just an insult it’s a genuine threat to both of the boys and their mother, it could get them killed or start a war, he isn’t just angry because he got insulted, in the video you make it sound like its something petty and irrelevant to get so upset over but even the rumor is doing massive damage to him, he wasn’t justified in taking his eye, but he wasn’t just being petty either
I am team Black but Aemond is my favorite character and I root for him but just him on that side lol
He's the only character of the Greens that I truely like. That was messed up how he was bullied and now he's absolutely ruthless. If there has to be a king, it should be him not Aemon. Aemon is weak.
I love how much the Viseryous cares for Rhyanera, but he should be that way to all his children. He really messed up in handling that situation. They seriously got away with a slap on the wrist. I've definitely been put in Aemond's position and I know how terrible that feels to be wronged like that. Though I do think that was insensitive to go and do that. Taking Vaghar literally the night of their mother's funeral is messed up. Like you said, it's like having a Ferrari right. He just took their mother's Ferrari.
Aemond is my fav too❤…but just like Alicent’s kids are half Targaryen just as the Strong siblings (also dragon riders)-albeit their parentage is never questioned like the Strongs….(unless Aegon’s and Helena’s have been rumored to possibly be Aemond’s which technically makes his nephew? Children? batrds, out of wedlock as well) but who cares Aemond is perfect and I hope he does love Helena but not the father of her children)
Its PARTLY an accident if a dude was racing his freind on the road and kept bumping him on purpose he would still be very much liable if his freinds car flipped and killed his freind in the crash. But that being said i cant wait to see how he goes about it does he secretly hate himself ? Or does he revel in it after
His only real choice is just to wear a mask and pretend he did it on purpose. At least publicly. Perhaps in private to one of his family member he would reveal it was an accident but it wouldn't matter much. To everyone he is already the kinslayer and nothing will change that so the best thing to do would be to embrace and use it to create a fearsome and strong image of himself in the eyes of the Lords of the realm
Id like to see one on daemon. I thought he had one of the most interesting character arcs in the first season of hotd
Secound son and almost lose eye on fight. Work but only sometimes. Sometimes i miss my eye
About kin Slayers daemon is also one because he killed vemond targaryen and valeryons are related to blood
Robb stark is also a kin slayer because he killed Lord karstark
I like to call the fight between the kids, The battle of the baby's. It's just a fight involving children, but very significant in the story.
I love when an informative summary or description is given without the taint of personal opinion or one sided perspective. You presented the information honestly and although you shared your own thoughts you didn't hijack the spotlight or steer your viewers with them.
Self defense or not, the decent thing to do would have been to apologize. The Strong boys never do this.
Thank god someone made a video who actually can see it from aemonds point of view! Team green !!! 🐉
Jacaerys wasn't trying to defend himself or Luc when he took out that knife.
so good
Yes, Aemond has done bad things, but i dont think he is a bad person, i feel he's good on the inside
I still don’t think that even if Luke actually gouged out his own eye, that Aemond was simply going to call it even, Aemond is not the sort of person who accepts even anymore than Daemon is, he wanted a dragon that belonged to his sister side of the family and it cost him his eye, he wanted revenge on his nephew and it’s now he’s started a war, accidental or not, Aemond is finally going to get the fame he wanted, only now it’s not going to be the good kind, he’s a Kinslayer and that’s something that no one is ever going to let him forget.
Here you are saying the same thing that dragon doesn't belong to anyone. You can't inherit or steal dragons. Vagah had no owner anymore and everyone had a right to claim her
Aemond is the fourth child of the king
As much as I despise Aemond and all Greens, I appreciate your POV in analyzing how the incident on the cave thoroughly and physically changed his life.
Great video but seems more like a breakdown of aemon and lucercy relationship
I like him better than Daemon.
If Rhaenyra could see her husband to be was gay, her father clearly knew and this is perhaps why he defended her bringing bastards into the world. He probably felt guilty for signing her up for a disappointing life.
Probably.
His fault tho. Phillippe de Orleans was gay and had no trouble fathering many children in our world. Laenor was put simply a weak pathetic excuse for a Prince
@@joao.fenix1473 ouch
a rock is just as lethal as a knife
Borros Baratheon, being the illiterate brute that he was, should have strongly encouraged/directed Aemond to let Lucearys go as they had a marriage pact to finalize. He should have de-escalated the situation.
Aemond was definitly going to hit him with the rock. Kids are violent like that sometimes
Aemond nunca fue un niño violento antes de que lo golpearan entre 4 niños más, bajo qué conclusión un niño que nunca ha utilizado la violencia lo iba a hacer ahora?
They’re better be an analysis on some of Team Black’s character coming soon
Team black character in my eyes are the real villains I can't relate too non off them even tho the try soo hard too make them look like good guys it's soo hard for me to root for them cause they do almost everything wrong
@@RahulSleepwalker11they are the rightful heirs to the throne whereas the greens are usurpers.
@@RahulSleepwalker11 they don't follow the rules of Westeros, a world that most ppl would agree is sexist, class-ist, and overall horrid Team Black aside from Daemon (at times) are normal ppl who just want to live their lives
Team Green are quite literally all sociopaths except Heleana
@@johnathanoneal9 the blacks r not just trying to live their lives in a society they r trying to rule over a society THAT DOESN’T ALLOW their ways of life.
The Greens follow the rules of society because they live in the sexist world of Westeros lol
Rt is trying to govern a society by breaking every rule their is n expect people to choose her lol
@@varunkaushik2732No matter what we've been shown, Rhaenyra is not the rightful heir.
She wasn't even properly prepared by her father nor herself to be the model ruler to win over the Realm which was absolutely necessary. She does as she wishes, covering up errors rather than owning them honestly, disregards lords unless it's convenient (which is terrible political strategy) and she underestimates the value of keeping the commonfolk content or at least not infuriating them so they don't revolt (this will be very relevant during her reign)
- She's not suited to be a great ruler and in that state, a major conflict was inevitable. This will be further evidenced in her 6 month reign in s3.
Her bastards have no claim so making a case for them is ludicrous. Passing them off as "Velaryons" doesn't magically make them Velaryons even if Corlys himself supports them. The law of the realm and will of the fellow Lords is grander than that.
Daemon is now 5th in line for the throne (even behind young Jaehaerys) and his sons follow him in 6th and 7th respectively.
Aegon is unfit to rule but that doesn't nullify him being the rightful heir, which he is. Little Jaehaerys follows, then Aemond, then Daeron.
This is Westeros during the Targaryen Dynasty not Girlboss Fantasy Free-for-all w/ dragons going 'Rawr'. You have a comprehension problem if your perspective is that the Blacks are the "good guys" or even "the lesser evil".
Wasn’t he going to bash in a kid’s head with a rock?
You're wrong. How did Jace and Luke know he wasn't going to kill Luke when he was holding a rock and saying he was going to kill him? I would have done what I had to do to save my little brother.
Aegon was hurt that his mom didn't fess up and let Aegon take the blame for her talking about the boys being bastards. Alicent apologists always have to leave out her contributions to this problem.
Jace pulled the knife in response to the Lord Strong taunt, that much is clear, so he loses sympathy for that.
@@amorojaz27 Jace pulled out the knife because Aemond had his brother by the neck, was holding a rock over his head saying he would die screaming, then called them bastards, which could forfeit his and his brother's lives. It was a combination of the three. I don't care who has sympathy for who, but those are the facts, and I would have done the same.
@@LPno.9Did even watch this lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastard and kept coming at him whit the knife. Why the hell will aemond care about lucerys and his brother. They bullied him for years
@@aishahamma334 I watched it. You're wrong. He had Luke by his neck which is why Jace advanced. People who root for the Hightowers usually have to ignore what's actually on the screen to do so. They're a bunch of psychos. Daemon is psycho enough to be three psychos, but still fewer psychos than the greens.
Yall also get really emotional. Perhaps because facts aren't enough.
@@LPno.9Oh my God lucerys pulled out the knife when aemond called them bastard. Lucerys didn't do it to defend his brother. He had planned on harming aemond and that's why he came whit a knife Aemond had let Jace go when lucerys attacked him Jace threw sand in his eye and lucerys cut out his eye. If he really wanted to protect his brother he would have left when they threw sand in aemond,s eye. Since his brother wasn't in any danger. Also before that lucerys kept trying to stab aemond. I think you should settle down and watch the scene again
The fact that lucerys came whit a knife shows that he had planned on harming aemond even before the fight started and that's why he came whit the knife. Aemond didn't come whit a weapon
Aemond is a great character. I love a well written gray character and hes just that. Im still team black though no rhyme or reason, i just prefer that team of characters more.
Bro I am absolutely perplexed at how many people see him as the villain in this show. Speaking specifically on the show's story, Lucerys and the Blacks as a whole are the villains. I feel like because Rhenyra is framed as the protagonist in the first episode, so people just stick with that, but her side commits damn near all of the immoralities and are some how still looked at as the good guys.
Did the blacks kill any greens so far?
Uh I hate to tell you the Greens commit the worst sacking in Westeros history and the largest massacres of smallfolk. And from what we've seen on the show, the Blacks have done nothing.
Otto hightower is more evil than enough for all the greens. Apart from him, every other green I can understand. He made alicents life hell. Sold her off to advance his own houses strength. He is the true villain in this. Everyone else was collateral damage. Not saying Rhaenyras a saint either. But if alicents didn't marry the king, none of this would be happening would it?
You duped if u see anybody as villains. They've all done evil shit here and there.
I understand this video is in defense of Aemond some of incidents you spoke on Aemond he was most definitely the victim but several times in this video you seem to just gloss by when Aemond or Aegon calls Jace or Luke “Strongs” & “bastards” as if it was nothing. Most children especially in the real world at that age wouldn’t fully comprehend but these children are royal children even outside of that they are still High Born children & these children from a young age understand inheritance they’re well aware who’s in favor of succession. By the time of Aemond losing his eye Alicent has ordered immediately after Rheanyra gives birth that she walk all throughout the Red Keep while still bleeding from not even halfway healed from childbirth & not to mention she’s holding her newborn, literally, only to immediately upon seeing the child makes claims that, that child was conceived outside of her marriage. I notice a bias in favor of the Greens in your videos, so I understand why you wouldn’t mention Alicent horrible treatment of Rheanyra like I mentioned above. Aemond had to hear that from some where & because calling the Princess who also happens to be the Heir the Throne kids Bastards or the Last name of another House in this case a lesser house those are actual words of treason & what servants of the Royal family even the boys master of arms wouldn’t say those words freely around court spiked, tongue’s being cut out & executed, especially during the time Rheanyra still resided at court with her husband himself being of High Noble Birth. Alicent is the only one who would get away with speaking about her stepdaughter kids that way matter fact she was getting away with it. As you know in the books Otto & Alicent started those rumors about Rheanyra sleeping around when she was 9 years old. There is more to speak on but I only mentioned that because it felt like you just bypassed the bastards comment as if it’s not a severe consequences to calling the Princess & Heir to the Throne children bastards, if they Aemond or Aegon were children of a lesser house or if they were low born the consequences to their actions would have been severe
Let me start off by saying I am neither team green or team black. Both sides have faults but even if it is true that I seem to “favor” the greens, it’s only because I choose to highlight the aspects that most people(team black) refuse to acknowledge in these characters. My goal is to create understanding for these characters, reasonings behind the actions because a lot of people are so eager to see one side as pure evil and the other as pure good and that is not the case. I understand the mention of bastardy is a very dangerous thing and had the children been from lesser houses the consequences would have been worse, but they aren’t. The point I was trying to convey in those moments where I seemed to gloss over the insults is that there are bigger things at play here. Like these children being passed off as heirs to houses they have no real claim to, and the fact that a kid lost his eye and his father doesn’t seem to care. Rhaenyra gets away with a lot and people seem to gloss over that because “the greens are evil”. If Rhaenyra’s kids were outed as bastards I’m sure their would be consequences but with Viserys in charge and how he favors his daughter over his other children, I doubt they would be severe. Hell, he might even legitimize them to try and solve the problem. So that’s probably why it comes off as “being a bastard isn’t a big deal”. Because when it comes to some of Rhaenyra’s dangerous actions they pretty much get swept away by daddy. As for the situation with Joffrey, I honestly didn’t even think about that, but it definitely did seem like Alicent goaded her on when she definitely could have waited if she wanted to check legitimacy. But it makes sense why she does. Alicent wrongfully values this system that’s imprisoned her and to see Rhaenyra, the woman who should have more responsibility than everyone as the heir continuously shirk it, puts her on edge. From Alicents pov, Rhaenyra is doing whatever she wants, even with Laenor being gay she probably thinks he can still produce a child but refuses to(though I personally think on top of being gay, he is also just incapable of impregnating a woman in general. After all Rhaenyra did say they tried but assumed it didn’t work because their was no love. Which I don’t buy because Alicent didn’t love Viserys and gave him him four kids. Even Cersei gave Robert one unnamed kid in the show even though he died young, and she didn’t love Robert.) so to Alicent they come off as slackers with no sense or care for duty and responsibility. But, I digress. I don’t intend to favor one side over another. I just want to hopefully provide insight, and give my takes on situations for these characters.
@@TheEmpyreanSpeaks we acknowledge the aspects of these characters, doesn't change the fact that they're horrible/vindictive ppl
@@johnathanoneal9we acknowledge? If u mean team black stans then I would say that’s a bunch of bs. which character r u seeing as horrible vindictive people btw?
@@jjosifovic Anyone who goes "Team Black" or "Team Green" doesn't deserve to witness this story since it's obviously going over their heads. Especially the hardcore stans on either side that will excuse anything from their chosen characters.
Note: Leaning one way is fine and understandable (like a 60/40 split at most) but that is different from definitively choosing "Team Black/Green".
Has ANYONE here heard of paragraphs?
You can say the one who physically threw a punch escalated the fight, but calling someone a bastard isn't exactly calming. Once the argument gets physical, name calling definitely escalates things. Aemon did nothing to deescalate the situation, therefore he contributed to his eye loss.
Aemond was mocked by his brother & cousins but only feuded with the younger smaller cousins about the pig. Claiming the dragon while they were mourning. Aemond's mother was willing to take the child's eye so it stands to reason the children who parrot what Alicent says would also be willing to take the action she intended. The smaller cousin used a weapon b/c he was the smaller & weaker cousin. Aemond didn't deserve to lose the eye but his own brother & mother instigated the unnecessary conflicts. It's unfortunate that the consequences of Alicent's bitterness & plotting fell on him.
Why does everyone attempt to justify the greens calling Rhaeneras kids bastards even tho we know how bastards are viewed they were a family in the video he says viserys sided with the blacks to dispel rumors instead of the injuries of his child I think viserys recognizes that aemond just lost his eye but also how troubling pushing this rumor can be for the realm AND THE FAMILY if he could get the kids to just love each others as cousin/nephews despite them being bastards the entire dance of dragons could be avoided to me it really just shows that the green side was always the more greedy selfish side rhaenerya never instilled that in her kids she told them to still care about them even tho they were attempting to usurp her
Exactly. If Viserys had done that, he'd have given more fuel to the rumors. And more people, not just the greens, would've felt brazen enough to say and do shit coz of it.
Plus, Viserys also told Alicent a hundred times not to say shit like this. I think this was the last straw when he finds out Alicent poisoned their sons' minds and turned them against Rhaenyra and her sons. Which is what started and partly escalated the fight to begin with. So that's why Viserys can't just punish Luke, coz it's not his fault alone. Everyone played a part in it and Aemond's the one who came out with his eyes slashed when it very well could've been Jace who gets badI mean he did get hurt but it could've been worse, like how Aemond got disabled.
Then rhaenyra shouldn't be having bastard kids then she fucked her own life up all she had to do was keep her legs closed if viserys is scared of the truth coming out disinherit his whore daughter and make someone else heir all this seems is an excuse to let rhaenyra do what she wants she messed up it's her fault if she was an actual good ruler she'd know having bastards isn't a smart move
@@happilyevernever4289viserys should've had the bastards killed if he didn't want these rumours around maybe instead of ignoring he should've done something about his slut of a daughter and her bastards
Let’s not pretend Aemond is a comparable character to Jaime. Their reasons for being labeled king slayer and kin slayer and just way too different.
I wish they would have left out the part where he tries to get Vhagar to not chase after Lucerys and when he seems slightly regretful immediately after Lucerys is killed. In the books he isn't even slightly remorseful, i think he even seems proud of killing his nephew
The book was written in the perspective of maesters, not povs of characters like the rest of series. The show is however written in the pov of characters, the truth or smaller events and emotions behind the history textbook that might not have mattered to a historian.
Yes, and some people hate that, they wanted him to do it deliberately, said it would be better.@@ariwoodshany4308
Yeah but Aemond killed Lucerys
I don’t know man. He looks like he was ready to bash his head in with that rock. Especially from the children’s perspective.
I mean if my mom just died, someone takes the last piece of her memory then tells me I deserve a pig instead the night of her funeral they’re getting their ass beat. Aemond may not have thrown the first punch but he deserved getting jumped. Not losing an eye, but definitely getting beat up lmao
Exactly. People like to leave this part out or even try to defend him for that. Like well Aemond was told that too by his nephews and his older brother.
Like no. How dense do u have to be to equate that to Aemond making fun of a grieving kid? Aemond was neither grieving over a dead parent nor anyone close to him when his kins teased him for not having a dragon. No one looked down at him as a person for it.
But Aemond called his nephews 'bastards' to feel superiority over them while also mocking their dead father. How is that even funny?
He just wasn't raised properly to think this type of behaviour is ok. It's no wonder he got jumped.
@@happilyevernever4289maybe they shouldn't be jumping other kids they wouldn't be insulted with the truth they're bastards
What do you mean the last memory? Laena probably had plenty of belongings left behind. Rhaena had a dragons egg so she didn't even need to claim Vhagar
Friendly reminder that a. in the books Aemond is the one that starts the fight... Against an actual three year old. And b. in the show, he's the first one to attempt to use potentially lethal force. Jace went for the knife BECAUSE Aemond was about to bludgeon his brother with a ROCK, potentially KILLING him. Jace was 100% justified using a knife in the fight because of this. EVEN IF Aemond didnt intend to actually use the rock (and I don't necessarily agree with that statement anyway,) I don't see how you can say Luke escalated... like how is Jace supposed to know that its an empty threat?
I agree with the rest of the video but there's some SERIOUS apologism going on here about the night Aemond claimed Vhagar.
Or rather, there's some serious villainization of Jace?? Like Aemond was also just a kid, I'm willing to overlook his actions that night. But you're crazy if you think Jace is the one who escalated when Aemond was the one using a lethal weapon first.
"This could have gone really bad, what if Aemond died? How are you going to explain that?"
Easy.
"Well, he was threatening my little brother and I with a large rock. I was defending myself and my brother, it was us or him."
Like, I fucking love Aemond and I feel for him a lot. But like... This is a wild fucking take lmaooo
Reminder the books aren pov you don know what really happened cry and vpe harder
@yourdad6902 so because Fire and Blood isn't in a first person pov we should assume automatically that anything it said was wrong and make all our arguments based on the opposite of what it says? Or is it saner and more sensical to make our arguments about what happened based on what the text says? You can't say with certainty that Aemond DIDN'T start the fight, but your argument is that because F&B isn't first person that we should assume he didn't even though the only inclination we have is that he did?
Besides, we even see in the show that Aemond brings in lethal force first.
Aemond sure he got neglected like most middle children but nope - his inability to read a sodding room and deescalate a situation when warranted shows there was little hope for his character and even though he is fun to watch but he is a picture of how a monster grows and unlike his uncle he doesn't have charm to hide behind.
Sure he was bullied - but he claimed the dragon on the night of the funeral its previous rider (kid or not - spoilt brat)
Sure he Jace laughed - Aemond was 16, not a reason to start a fight especially in a room that he knew he'd get away with it
And going after Jace when the realm was on the edge of burning due to his eye - Aemond put his slight over the realm and was surprised his dragon followed through.
Exactly. I will never be friends with people who can't understand when to joke about things. And can't take a joke themselves. Worse, they feel a need to look down on people coz they have this weird inferiority/superiority complex.
By the way it was Luke who laughed.