An Analysis of Daemon: Wonder and Terror
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- čas přidán 11. 09. 2024
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What do you see when the rogue prince enter the room? A hero? A villain Or perhaps something else entirely? Maybe if we delve into the dark we can shed some light on his character.
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Shout out to Matt Smith for doing such a spectacular job of bringing this character to life 😊
so true, and for alicent's actress as well, less appealing actors wouldn't have had such rabbid defenders.
I like how most of what Daemon and Otto have to say about each other and themselves is a direct correlation to their dynamic.
I truly feel Daemon's final days were full of him reflecting on his life, and the conversation he and Aemond had before their last duel placed a finalistic character summary upon the Rogue Prince;
"You have lived too long, Uncle."
"On that much, we agree."
Damon is not the epitome of what a Targaryan can be but he is the epitome of what they are. Chaotic Dangerous licentious. Etc
Putting the Greens vs Blacks debate aside, wtf is Daemon and Rhaenyra such a popular ship, like everyone somehow forgot they were uncle and niece.
some people think just because targaryans practice incest we the audience should act like it's totaly normal. they forgot that grrm made this family struggle with severe mental illness issues for generations not to mention all the malformed babies something that can directly be caused by all the inbreeding and don't get me started on the grooming, the choking and that brothel incident
@@kikima258 the writers were dumb enough to romanticize this relationship though.
trust me, NOBODY forgot!
Funny a enough Otto and Daemon could have been the ultimate power duo, both second's and something to prove.
A great video. I love the fact that you acknowledge all the faults of Damon and the truth to what he is. Daemon definitely groomed his niece and their relationship is NOT a love story. Daemon and Otto are the same person when it comes to power and manipulation. Also love the fact you point out how RT and DT dont care what other people think and are ruling by fear and nothing else which divides half the kingdom to siding with the greens. It really makes you wonder whether Rt would have any support if people didn't swear oaths to her.
No blood has been drawn...
RIP lord Caswell
RIP Lady Fell
RIP Loyal Nobles
RIP townsfolk Rhaenys and Meleys killed
XD
It'll be interesting to see how many still love daemon after blood and cheese. They probably still will, saying war is war and innocents die. They wouldn't say it about Elia and her kids.
yeah same for Alicent, no matter what she will do in the show they'll always say it was Otto or Larys and that she has no agency cuz patriarchy.
what I do find utterly bizzare are the crispen defenders...like what?
at least daemon and Alicent try to be good in their own twisted deranged way.
I hope they don't white wash daemon with blood and cheese like they did with Aemond. Aemon is also a horrible person in the books, hope what we saw in season 1 was just him starting on his path of insanity and we see less emo dumbass kid.
I never took the "Heir for a day" comment to be an insult. I understand how it would feel that way to Viserys. It feels like a poeticly bittersweet acknowledgement.
He was heir. But only for a day. Thats truly tragic. All he could have been was taken from us. It doesnt seem a malicious toast in a room full of drunks. In that line heir for a day is also an acknoweldgment from Daemon. He was heir. Daemon would have probably done anything for that baby boy. "We all mourn in our own way."
I love this analysis of Daemon and agree 100% with everything stated here. All i wanna say as an extra thing is.... Been a Matt Smith fan since he played the 11th doctor.... I have seen the controversy regarding his casting as Daemon before the show aired.... And all I wish to say is that i am so glad to be right. Sure, he might not have the aethereal looks of a Targaryen as per the book description... But Matt is a character actor, and DAMN did he know how to play Daemon. Personally i find him extremely handsome too, but i understand that some ppl don't like his looks.
I used to be an asshole (I'll admit it) about Matt Smith's looks when he was cast as The Doctor. But I've gotten more mature since then and Matt Smith has also aged really well, so it all works out.
I think between playing Philip on The Crown and now Daemon, he's picked up some shine.
What i hate about Daemon is his grooming of Rhaenyra. Iknow the whole incest thing is okay with the Targaryens but their relationship seems so wrong. Rhaenyra is Just so young coded. It Just creeps me out too much to like Daemon.
Yeah like he killed his first wife, choked rhaenyra and married her for her throne... like i can't like him
@@mxflint1715 he is a dangerous F boy.
@@mxflint1715He doesn’t want the throne for himself. He wants to rule alongside someone and have the power that comes with it. Hence why he desperately wanted to be hand. Now he’s king consort with rhaenrya
"young coded" you can just say she was young lmao.
@@reddest-x iknow but if i said her age people well say that is old enough.
Good analysis. He is slave of his own blood and dinasty but he should be free from that by the end cause of Nettles who tear down all his beliefs about Targaryens. The problem is that people is romanticizing him too much and is missing the point of the character saying everything he does is for Rhaenyra and family when actually he doesn't give f. Ep 10 made it very clear. The only person he truly loved was his brother Viserys and if Rhaenyra wasn't his daughter he wouldn't even been interested. His goal might not be the throne for himself like in the book, but it's revenge against Greens and Otto and Rhaenyra opposing to him was the last straw. Daemon is that kind of man that can be your greatest ally if you agree with him, but dare standing in his way and he'll quickly become your enemy. This is why he's grey and best character to me and GRRM as well, cause his beauty is his complexity. You can never know what he does you can never know if he's really by your side or not. He's a double edged weapon. He's a threat to Greens, but also his own family cause his chaotic nature push him on doing things on his ways. He indulges his insticts always, even if he does know Rhaenyra or else is against of it. Approval or not, he doesn't care. He does what he think he's right. So, yes he's slave, but also free cause does the things his way. I've read the book and im excited to see him in S2! Matt did amazing job on portraying him but especially i feel like he understood the character perfectly. Defenitely my most anticipated character of the season.
this is called the halo effect. he's hot, so all the evil grooming and self-interested cruelty is not a big deal.
I think Daemon wants his brother to stand up to him. He knew he was weak and kept doing things to show him that.
Also he saw through the Otto from the beginning. He's no saint but he's also no fool. He always saught to protect his family, his targaryen family. He sees everyone else as an outsider therefore they don't matter
"The difference is daemon actually loves his brother." Are you sure thats a difference? Maegor never betrayed aenys, he could easily have killed him and taken the throne but he didnt. Maegor rode the worlds largest dragon which after aenys' death absolutely bodied his dragon. He also wielded both blackfyre and dark sister. Aenys was a sickly man whom would have stood no chance against maegor. Yet maegor never tried to get the throne when aenys was alive and even accepted his exile. And its not for lack of ambition as the events following aenys' death clearly show.
Yeah kinslaying is a huge taboo. It's why Aemond got such a bad reputation. Most imprison their rivals.
Just found this channel and watched all the videos.
Honestly, every single fan should watch them.
A lot of people get so lost and cling to the surface aspects of the story that it's a shame so many characters get reduced or dumbed down to their basic characteristics in their mind.
This story is so amazing because every character in it has awful traits but also they are understandable in the most human ways.
I like all of them because they are written this way and not in spite of that.
Stop with the team Black vs team Green shenanigans, the shipping and to espect every character to make the best decision in every scene.
Just accept that these are people with flaws and that you like them anyway.
I really appreciate you bringing up the servant he murdered. Rhaenyra was complicit in this, it's why I don't feel bad when Daemon chokes her.
Please make videos on Rhaneys and Corlys. You're becoming one of my favorite asoiaf channels
Great analysis! Curious to hear your take on Otto
Completely random but your thumbnail made me appreciate just how beautiful Caraxes is, like the show really went all out with distinct and interesting dragon designs and I'm here for it.
Also I think what at least some people like about Daemon/Rhaenyra is how they make each other worse.
May you please make a video on Rhaenys please
Why do like Deamon I find Jeaherys a lot more fascinating. Of Course the one I would love to know more about is Meagor is he as mad as they say or have the history been embellished after he did save the Targaryen family in a way. The faith was weakened for generations after Meagors Brutal actions
Me, looking at a picture of Daemon: I hate you…but I love you…but I hate you.
Great analysis, daemon and viserys, has different personalities, but they are not too different from each other in regards to their decisions and actions.
I love Daemon. I think he’s the best character. And at first he’s the guy you want to be. He’s cool and bad ass. But in true asoiaf fashion, just as you start to want to become him you realize he groomed then married his niece. I have a niece that was born when I was young and now that she’s growing it creeps me out so much that someone you want to identify with is doing something you’d never do and never forgive someone else for. I don’t judge the characters that marry children because that was common and didn’t become taboo in our own world until the last century or two. You can’t judge characters from the pov of our time and place. But your niece. That’s just blah
Daemon was considered as the last dragon lord. Dragon lords are different from riders their emotional bonding was great than others. They can control Dragon to an extent. Viserys didn't knew it because he was only a dragon rider. It was not an illusion he killed strong men and even stronger dragon with his dragon. The real winner of the dance was Daemon. His sons rule the seven kingdoms.
there is no such thing in the lore. dragon lords reffers to the 12 or 13 families who could controle dragons during the reign of valyria and targearyans were actualy some of the weakest families back then plus aegon's bound with sunfyre was the most unique and the strongest amongst the targeryan dynasty that is a knowen fact
@@kikima258Aegons bond with Sunfyre rises when he and Sunfyre in a dying situation. Daemon never faced that crisis. He and Caraxes killed Vhagar that was a pivotal moment. No one think it's possible.
@@sankarkrishnan407 killing vhagar has nothing to do with how strong the bound is, deamon used his brain and experience not to mention commited suicide and got caraxes killed in order to acheive that. aegon and sunfyre bound is on another level that dragon could sense his rider's distress from afar and went runing to him even with a broken wing. i hope the show do their bound justice because it's what makes sunfyre unique and please next time don't spread misinformation that dragon lord part is totaly false
@@sankarkrishnan407 Dragonlords means the 40 dragonriding families of old Valyria. Daemon was a dragonrider. They don't have special titles in asoiaf universe, depending on how deep your bond is. Maybe you mistake it with the lore from another universe.
Actually Aegon is said to have full control over Sunfyre. It is even mentioned in the show in EP 6 when they are at the dragonpit. Their bond was always strong. It didn't grow due to crisis. But even though Aegon has a deep bond with Sunfyre, he is a dragonrider. The same as Daemon. What you describe is not canon.
Fellow Elden Ring player here, assuming by your channel's name and the game's story being written by GRRM. Isn't it fun seeing all of the A Song of Ice and Fire references & inspirations throughout The Lands Between? Have you got a PSN or are you a PC player? Btw, I've watched all of your videos so far and agree with a great deal of your opinions. My favorite so far being your analysis of Aegon II; a character I never much fancied until your interpretation of the reason behind his actions made me feel a bit more sympathetic towards him.
"In episode 1 he mentions otto's dead wife." Um that was because otto was just talking about daemons marital problems in a discussion about his doings in kings landing, so daemon responded to this unnecessary personal jibe at daemon's wife by making a personal jibe at otto's wife.
Daemon was being a childish, petty bully. He wouldn't talk nearly as tough if that scaly, glorified attack dog of his wasn't nearby.
@amorojaz27 lmao you think daemon is scared of otto?
@@mappingshaman5280no, he's just not as awesome as he or his fans think he is. Plus, he beat his first wife to death for simple convenience. And he did this in the most cowardly way possible.
Daemon and rhaenyra carry the show for me can’t wait to see more of them and their relationship in season 2
I feel like Daemon wants to naturally exude the same power as the king, *without* needing the same trinkets, because it's the only way to live up to the Targaryen legacy.
Woohoo! Been waiting for your next upload. Love your takes!
daemon is interesting because he's no doubt an evil psychopath but with layers of complexity, instead of being a one-sided cartoon villain type.
Kudos for your videos!! i've been watching and for sure a channel to support and share!! :D keep the great work
Excellent analysis! Subbed ❤
I find it funny whenever a CZcamsr talks about the scene that daemon can’t “finish” you’d be surprised how many people don’t edit the scene and you got nudity all over the screen. Which means I’m watching a video in the dentist office hoping nobody looks at my phone
Power allows for easy wish fulfillments of the id and superego. That's why money amplifies who a person is.
Can you please do Helaena next
Daemon laughs at vaemond’s speech because Vaemond uses the moment to publicly criticize Luke and Jace’s legitimacy…Daemon by laughing at his deceased wife’s funeral shifts the attention towards him and away from Rhaenyra and the children…he loves her and those children with everything as in Valyrian culture their is no such thing as a stepfather only “Father”.
What source do you have that valryians don't acknowledge stepfathers?
Funny thing is meagor may have also loved aneys.
The idea daemon punished innocent people in kings landing is ridiculous. Had he done so, do you not think otto would have mentioned it during the small council meeting? Otto has no reason to neglect to mention that
That's the thing rumor and he said makes everything ambiguous. Maybe they where innocent maybe they weren't. Nobody ever knows what's true in this world.
19:37 Well, he'll certainly splash....
I couldn't imagine daemon having a conversation with dany lol
Good video but you sound a bit biased. Based purely on what we see in the show, it's unreasonable for Alicent to credibly fear that Rhayenra would ever harm her or her children.
She might consider killing Otto, but likely wouldn't out of respect for their friendship.
The weakest point of the Alicent analysis is trying to maker her overriding paranoia somehow "reasonable"
In ep 10 when Otto pays a visit to Dragonstone when he's right in front of Daemon and Rhaenyra Daemon is ready to hack Otto to death with his sword but then Rhaenyra says to him "No!" so, since she's the queen he obeys. It seems as though she truly means it. Rhaenyra truly wanted peace. It wasn't until Aemond killed Luke that Rhaenyra decided to attack the greens.
Daemon doesn't take orders, and would gladly kill Otto, Alicent, and her children, regardless of Rhaenyra's desires. The fact that those kids are Viserys' kids clearly doesn't matter to him.
Except the previous response clearly showed that Daemon did in fact take an order from Rhaenyra when she said "No" to prevent him killing Otto on Dragonstone. Furthermore on the Black Council, despite wanting a more aggressive approach, he once again bowed to Rhaeynra's initial determination for peace.
You're simply jumping to conclusions assuming that Daemon would automatically kill them.
Admittedly, Otto would need to step carefully to prevent provoking Daemon but its not as if Daemon's a thoughtless brute either.
@@chicagomike139115 in public, sure. But he'd definitely go behind her back to get rid of Otto, at least.
Otto is a weak man, the king vesereys is a weak king, hence the dance of dragons. Daemon is a warrior, and loyal to his family. The king should’ve maned up put Otto to the sword and appoint daemon to hand and give daemon his daughter problem solved.
He should have had Daemon gelded and sent to the wall, and then put Otto to the sword.
@@amorojaz27 👍 😂
9:06 Yes, it does, because men and women serve different functions. If you have a screwdriver and use it as a screw, it will be useless, and vice versa.
18:15 That’s because Daemon is a successful and experienced military commander, he knows that getting there first matters. Aemond, or at least his side, knew that as well, and it’s why they got a head start, while Daemon’s side was holding everyone back.
Aemon and Damon can both suck lol
It’s not a competition
I have to respectfully disagree with your argument that the war had not yet begun when Rhaenyra was considering peace with the Greens. The Greens had already killed multiple people (even leaving aside the stupid scene with Rhaenys and her dragon at Aegon II's coronation). Also, the very act of crowning Aegon when Rhaenyra was Viserys' declared heir is a declaration of war in this universe. It's treason to crown an illegitimate monarch; it's very much a usurpation. Troops may not have been marching to battle yet, but the war began the moment a crown was put on Aegon's head.
However, I will add that I generally agree with your analysis of Daemon.
People are normalizing incest too much.
You really don't know why he hates Otto? If Daemon is around, Otto's influence & power goes away. Otto knows that so he always wants him elsewhere. I thought that was common knowledge?
Otto's right about him being bad for the realm.
Can you please make about Aenys Targaryen???
Or Helena
10 yeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrsss
Damon said clearly in the scene right before he's accused of it when he raises his cup and calls the dead child "heir are for a day". I just went back and watched it just to make sure
i honestly dont like this guy. like seriously
Strangled not choked. There is a difference
Thank you, came here to say that. It’s otherwise a good video but using “choke” for “strangle” helps perpetuate some problematic attitudes about that method of potentially deadly assault. Sadly this particular mislabeling is very common now; I’m worried the distinction will essentially disappear before long.
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Daemon is the FFFucing MAN
With all due respect, you completely miss the mark with Otto Hightower. The guy almost singlehandedly caused the Dance of Dragons. Daemon was right about him all along. He was the only one who saw the Dance coming years ahead of time and nobody listened to him. The entire war wouldve been avoided if Daemon had been made hand.
You really think making a murderous, immature, spoiled brat Hand of the king would have avoided the war? For all of Viserys' shortcomings, even he knew making Daemon hand was a bad idea.
@@amorojaz27 Lol Daemon might have been all of those things but he also saw the Hightower train coming down the track years ahead of time when Viserys had his head stuck up his own ass. Not saying Daemon wouldve been a great hand, but he absolutely would have prevented the DOD and by proxy would have prevented the extinction of dragons and most of their bloodline. Also worth noting, the many thousands of common folk and lords who died in that war would have survived. Not sure if you're a huge book reader or mainly just a show watcher, but the DOD was pure devastation. The realm was destroyed by the time it was over. Made the War of 5 Kings look like a jousting tourney. And it all could have been prevented if Viserys wouldve taken Daemon's words over the weasel words of that rat Otto.
@@williamhermann6635 it doesn't change the fact that Daemon is a terrible choice for hand, and if Viserys had any common sense he would have gotten rid of both him and Otto for good.
@@amorojaz27 He didnt even have to be named hand. All Viserys had to do was listen to him cuz he was right about the Hightowers from day 1. I dont care what role Daemon was in. The man was right and he saw the war coming while Viserys was too busy trying to be everyone's friend. Viserys was weak and Otto/Alicent played him like the mark that he was. That never wouldve happened if Viserys had kept Daemon close.
@@williamhermann6635 Alicent was just trying to get her husband to see Rhaenyra for the spoiled brat she is. Otto is more manipulative of Viserys, but he's 100% right about Daemon not being suited for authority, although Otto himself shouldn't have been Hand either. Again, Viserys should have Otto beheaded, while having Daemon gelded and sent to the Wall. And have Caraxes' wings clipped for good measure.
bro ypur green is showing sooo bad
i couldn’t disagree more about the bad matchup of daemon and rhaenrya , it’s literally the complete opposite, but the rest of the video was dope.
Yes, a relationship based on grooming is a beautiful thing.