The EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra - In Depth Review & Testing!
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Video Timestamps:
EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra Overview: (0:00)
Warranty & Pricing: (4:28)
AC Inverter Testing: (5:57)
Running During an Outage: (11:18)
DC / USB Output Testing: (12:54)
Charging the Delta Pro Ultra: (15:59)
Home Integration Options: (17:44)
Grading the Power Station: (23:31)
Final Thoughts: (24:24)
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Amazing. But don't forget that, when talking cost, having a solar array that can effectively charge this thing in one day is part of the investment. In the NE where I live, winter is the time when you want backup power the most, and is also the time when the sun provides the least amount of power (it's cloudy a lot here). Factor that into the cost of operating and using this beast.
Yes, living in an area with less sunny conditions you'll need to plan for much more solar panels to get a useful amount of power. Luckily with the high voltage input, you can use higher wattage commercial panels from Signature Solar at $0.30 cents per watt.
Same in michgian
Fantastic! I am so happy you reviewed this!!!!!! Thanks for all your hard work
I'm on Ecoflow's mailing list & just saw this a couple days ago. It looks awesome! I've got 2 Bluetti AC300s with 8 batteries & it sure would've been nice to have those built-in wheels. The 7000W & 240V output is super nice, too. Ecoflow, IMO, does such a better job of designing their products.
I have 2 of these and I can confirm that they can sustain 7200 watts. I watched one of mine sustain 8400 wats for longer than 10 seconds and never shut down. I eventually reduced the load.
I am purchasing one probably with a secondary battery and I've been researching this for a long time and watching a lot of fellow CZcamsrs and their videos. I have to say yours was definitely the most informational and extremely well done. Thank you for it
Best review I've seen on this system. Great testing. Joe
I am so glad to see this from EcoFlow and that I waited !! Fantastic review Jason 👍👍
It's such a powerful option!
I believe this is the most comprehensive review video you've made yet! Thank you for the 'simple' explanations, also. This video is going in my 'Home' library playlist for future reference! Thank you, Jason.
It was a beast of a video but I wanted to show people how this unit performs if they are interested in purchasing it!
@@Jasonoid most likely i will be purchasing this, however i don't have the budget for this so i might have to wait like 12 to 14 weeks for me to get this!
Thank you for the very indepth review as always Jason.
If I needed a plug and play solution, this one sounds like a winner.
Thanks for watching :)
If only all reviews were this thorough!
All of mine are :) Thanks for watching!
Excellent test Jason.!! These are so far impressive units. Now that all the holidays and travel are over I can back to my testing!! 😀
Thanks, Johnny!
This is a great place to start, very simple.
nice vid Jason.. great review
Beat channel out there for this content.. thanks!
Jason, please add one more type of test: fully charge the unit n let it site NOT powered on. We would know what is the capacity loss while not powered on. You have the most comprehensive tests of all reviewers. Thank you.
When the unit is completely turned off, you don't lose any power. It stays at 100% for months. This is the case for all power stations with lithium batteries and that's why I don't need to test it.
There are a bunch pf youtube videos on this product and all of them cover the same ground. I learned several things from your excellent video. Thank you for being different.
I try to go into more depth testing than other channels. Thanks for noticing the difference.
@@Jasonoid mine just shipped and I ordered an extra battery for 12kw. I plan to use it to power my well pump and heating system during outages. I did swallow hard when I saw the total amount even with the early bird discount.
Great review and very objective analysis. Just picked up one, hoping to see the extra batteries drop in price later in the year. Excited to pair it with some solar and move some loads to the unit.
I have been load sharing with this unit since I have been testing it via my transfer switch. It's been great to off set my electric usage.
Wow! My next power station! About the simplest way to keep a well pump running! Thanks for reviewing. As with the AC180, if you are looking for DC, you are looking at the wrong thing.
I love how it's completely silent! No fan noise at all... :) :) :)
Comprehensive review, thanks! This gives me much more peace of mind on the Ultra - so far their marketing has been a bit shady, but looks like it's indeed a good product.
My goal is to provide an honest review of how it really functions!
Thank you for the in-depth review and testing. I'm new to this market, is Ecoflow known to have major sales? like 15% or higher off? Amazon has the inverter and 2 batteries for 8800 but I'm hoping for a sale sometime soon.
You'll see decent discounts on their products on big holidays. With brand new products those sales might be smaller than their other older lineup.
You can get the EF Delta Pro Ultra Inverter and one battery for $5799-800=$4999 up through Feb, 8th (or 9th?), 2024. Code UFDPU800
I am a newbie to all this i have been studying. Im confused about input and output. I need something that can figure that out for me so i dont mess it up. Also I am really impressed how you reply to all the questions. Most dont do that. Thank you for schioling us.😅
Power going in charges the power station batteries. Power going out discharges the batteries. If more power is going in, it will be a net increase.
You can kinda compare that to a bank of money as power watt hours can be related to dollars in a bank.
Thanks from Canada. 👌
Welcome!
great video. perfect timing for me because we have some nasty weather in my area and my 6 year old was asking me this morning how we can get water if we don't have power (we can't because we have a well and no generator). our house is all electric and one of these days all add up all the loads and size out what size battery backup we would need. I would really like to have one that can run everything. we have dual heat pumps for home heating/cooling, a heat pump water heater, electric washing machine and dryer, 2 fridges, the well pump/pressure tank etc... quite the load.
Yes, that is quite the load for any power station. You would definitely have to chose the most important loads and just run those.... or have three of these units tied together via the smart home panel 2.
This thing is a game changer. If I didn’t already have multiple Bluettis and extra batteries I’d get one of these immediately.
I was very impressed by the changes they decided to go with.
I’m almost convinced to buy one
Do what works best with your setup and budget. I just put out an update video of me using it for 3 months straight and how it's been going:
czcams.com/video/gBbM--NUUWI/video.html
Nice video! I cant wait to see it connected to a house during a power outage and its performance to run high powered appliances such as water well, septic tank, kitchen stove, microwave, full size refrigerator, small freezer, and how long the battery will last. If it could run a full day and recharge in 2 hours that would be fantastic! I think some of us would use a gas generator during a emergency to recharge this ecoflow and wonder if that would be possible and how long to fully charge. Its so expensive so these questions would make the difference as compared to cheaper brands such a Anker Solix F3800, and Zendure Superbase V.
Nice test is that i was looking for i am subscribed
Thanks!
Great comprehensive review. I was looking at this unit and comparing it to the BLUETTI AC300/AC500 with B300 external batteries and solar panels as a potential partial whole house back-up. My biggest concern with this EcoFlow unit is its shear size and weight. When you combine this with the fact that the batteries on these both systems can only be charged and used above freezing temperatures, it can mean that you may have to move them around periodically - especially when solar charging and if you live in a colder climate. So, mobility is a concern. I would also miss the flexibility to use the external batteries connections to power and operate certain items like the BLUETTI can . It didn’t appear as though the EcoFlow units external batteries can do that - unless I missed that somehow. Overall, it looks like a nice system, but I think the BLUETTI system might be more scalable and modular for my needs - with the additional flexibility in terms of mobility of the system and better usability of the external batteries.
I thought I mentioned this, maybe I didn't..... the EcoFlow Ultra batteries have internal heaters so it can be charged and discharged at temps down to -4F.
The size and weight are large but this unit is much more compact compared to my Bluetti AC500. The Inverter is smaller than the AC500 yet it puts out 240v and more wattage. The batteries are also more compact and offer double the capacity.
The Bluetti is a great unit. I have used my AC500 for almost a year straight but this model offers quite a bit more power and features for a decent price.
I believe I am going to buy this for a fridge and an AC in the Keys.
i wish i could trade my delta pro and battery in for a discount on one of these.. but only if it can run a wall a/c while it also charges.. unlike my delta pro.. i would suggest that people wait a year or two before getting one so maybe bugs will be worked out and improvements might be made.. but also be prepared to wait to get it then wait longer when you have to return it then wait longer to get a replacement then do this over again if it is anything like the delta pro
They need to make a Milwaukee Packout version of this.
Need to make a 200amp Smart Home Replacement Panel.
Again the best report on this unit. you are awsome you should have 500k subsriber your review are top noch ,..... The little negative is battery are too $$$ but I'll wait to get sales I got a unit and it is first quality thanks
Good video. Like the info and pace. Request/recommendation: please use the dip to black transition in your edits sparingly. It became difficult to tolerate by the time I was halfway through your video. I know it's a creative choice in editing. Just a thought from a supporter.
Already changed this with my last few videos, thanks.
Thank you for a very comprehensive review! To charge from a gas generator can you use the AC input port or is it necessary to use the infinity port with the dongle you showed? And does it matter if the gen is bonded or floating neutral?
120v AC charging is on the front of the power station with up to 1800w input. (Just like a normal power station). The 240v AC charging is via the 'infinity' port on the side of the power station using the special genny adapter.
I don't think the charging source needs to be grounded. It charged successfully using multiple power stations during my testing that had open grounds.
I had to slow the video down but still very informative
There was so much information packed into one video! Thanks for watching!
Thank god , popular channels like jerryrigeverthing have such a malnourished review this has all the details I need
My goal is to show my viewers how most the features perform. This one was a little hard to test everything since I don't have the 240v charging stuff.
@@Jasonoid don't ever change that, its a new year but we want that consistent thorough breakdown.. I'd give your reviews an energy reading of 80KWH
Great Review. Best so far! Just to confirm the Solar input is "DC"? Given I have a 7.2KW Solar Array with microinverters (AC). what are my options to power the DPU? Also, could a EV (Tesla, Ford Lightning) use the infinity plug to charge the DFU? FYI, Love the Spreadsheet.
The solar inputs are for DC only, so if you have a net-metering solar system with micro inverters they won't be compatible with this setup. You'd have to remove the micro-inverters or install a separate solar setup with DC out.
The Infinity port is meant for charging at 240v with an EV wall charger (if you have the EV charging adapter). If you have an electric car with 240v output via some sort of built in inverter, you could probably charge with the 240v 'generator' adapter.
super detailed review , great job , I do have one question can you use the eco flow dual generator with this unit and do they have an adapter for that use
no, their generator won't work with this unit like the delta pro. You can plug it in but it can't / won't take full advantage of the features like the delta pro would. They honestly should have called this something else because it's not similar to the Delta Pro at all...... and only confuses people.
You can charge the Ultra using the EF Smart Generator if you use the AC output on the genny and connect it to the 120v 1800w input on the front of the power station. Since the internal battery voltage of the Ultra is 100v, it doesn't charge with the high powered DC output.
The automatic start stop features will not work on the Ultra BUT you can still start and stop the EF Smart Generator using the EF smart app. No need to touch the generator, you can control it remotely.
You exceeded your standard with this review. This Power Station is indeed a beast. I have a small apartment in New York.
If I had the room, this would definitely be a prime contender. Enjoy the "Beast!"
This is quite the upgrade over anything I have tested in the past!
Question, What good use is the 240v socket if you can't run an Electric Stove/Oven with it? I just bought the DPU the other day and I'm trying to make use of the 240v socket. The only thing in my house that uses 240 is the Electric oven. I was getting ready to buy that 10 circuit transfer swith you have in this video till I found out you can't use a stove. The transfer swith I have now is small, it only has 4 circuits on it.
240v appliances are power hungry (40 to 50 amps each). The benefit of the 240v output is being able to power lots of 120v circuits at the same time. That's how I do it, 10 120v circuits and it's been running consistently, charging off solar since this video. I've been very impressed!
Great video! Thanks so much!! I have only 1 question that I can't find the answer to no matter where I look. Can this unit power a space heater for 6 to 8 hours, with the space heater being the only thing plugged in? That's the main reason I want this unit. My utilities are really low, but I need alot of heat in the winter. Thanks again!!
To estimate runtimes you take the total capacity of the battery, and then divide it by the wattage of your load, that will give you the runtime in hours of the power station.
Example, 5000wh / 500w = 10 hours of runtime.
We live in SoCal in a pretty small home. One standard 20 cf size fridge(w/small top freezer) and a 15 cf freezer in the garage. Lets say there is an issue and we need to run power for a few days etc... Is it possible to run the home using solar panels during the day and have enough left over from the panels to charge up the battery? Also how many panels (w/rating) would we need to do the job? We just have one small desktop computer and one 65" 4k tv in the home. Thanks....
If you had around 1500 watts of solar connected, that would allow you to run your load and charge the battery on a clear sunny day. The devices you listed would probably pull around 400 to 500 watts consistently.
Well, I am not going to lie, this unit beats the pants off my jackery 500. Quick question, I noticed you stated twice that it can be charged with a 240W gas generator only. Does this mean I can not use by Honda 2200 generator, or does it mean for that port only. As always great detailed review.
120v AC input (via wall power or an inverter gas generator) can be connected to the front using the normal 1800 watt charging cable.
The Infinity port on the side of the inverter is designed for 240v charging.
So I finally found a ham radio cross check. 2 meter 146 mhz…..another opinion on DPU to share. Another guy on a Solar platform. ( I had also called support one time and they had similar failed answers and web info is quite limited as this guy suggests and I too confirm. To bad because the specs seem good ).
“ Pulled the trigger on an EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra (DPU) and I'm kind of meh on it and unlikely to expand or integrate it into the house. I got the $1k off discount. I'd previously built (and still have) a DIY system using 400ah of SOK batteries, a Giandel inverter, and victron for the solar charge controller and shunt. I really appreciate the DIY process and plan to do a 48v system next. But I needed more capacity ASAP and the DPU looked like the most expedient option.
Things I like:
Well packaged
Worked out of the box
Battery cables are very low profile
Dislikes:
No real manual. All they have is the web user guide which is superficial if I'm being generous. I asked support about it and they pointed me at the web guide I was complaining about. Twice. It's reasonable to expect to be able to download a comprehensive manual for offline use and to find/search through.
Radio Frequency Interference (RFI). Even when the inverter is not running, it interferes with common frequencies like 146.520MHz. I'd be more forgiving if it was when the inverter is on, but neither AC or DC are on. Turn off the DPU, emission goes away. I contacted EcoFlow support and they told me I could put it in a "faraday cage". (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
No State of Charge graph in the app. Figured if they were showing charts of Input and Output over time, they must have a SoC chart. Nope. I contacted support and twice they told me to go to the app screen with the charts, which only has input and output.
SoC / shunt seems unreliable - After a full 100% charge and plenty of time to balance, I lowered the full charge level to 90%. Each night I'd run a load of about 330W AC while the input was switched off. At first it'd do a night (8 hours) and have something like 54%, which is about right for the size battery and inverter efficiency. After a few days of using it overnight and letting it charge back up to "90%", it'd go from "90%" down to "8%". Quotes to imply my skepticism of its readings. Last night I charged it back up to 100% and it ended at about 54%. So I have trouble trusting the SoC.
DC output PowerPole has an annoying over-under orientation. Most DC users follow a "Red Right, Eh (A)" convention where, when looking at the powerpole, with the Anderson A in the normal upward orientation, the red positive connector is on the right. The DPU uses an over-under orientation so I'll need to remember to keep an adapter cable with it.
Can't turn the unit off while it's plugged in. It just won't do it. You need to unplug or switch off the AC input in order to power down the unit.
The name, "Pro Ultra", come on ;-)
I could live with these frustrations more if it was a few hundred dollar small capacity product, or even mid level. But for their top of the line product, it's disappointing. If I didn't have these experiences, I'd plunk down for more batteries and the Smart Home Panel 2. As it stands, I'll probably sell it once I build a 48v DIY system.”
Can you run any kind of heaters or electric owns from this?
When you hooked up the ultra to wall power, 1,800 watts maximum, and had 240 volt output you showed less power going out than what was coming in. Did you test having more power going out than coming in from the wall? Thanks.
My potential application is during emergencies or no solar I can hook the 1,900 watt AC (120 volt) out put from my Inoiq5 (Vehicle to Load) and take advantage of it's 77kwh battery to supply some power. This is the only system I know of that can take 120 volt AC input while also providing 240 volt output. I just don't know if the 240 volt output can be more wattage than the 120 volt input.
Yes, you are correct. This is the only model currently that allows for 120v input while putting out 240v. The 120v charging input can be less than the 240v output. If the input is lower, the battery will just be discharging instead of charging.
Hi, I was ready to charge up my new EF Delta Pro Ultra using an AC receptacle. However, the AC input on the Delta Pro Ultra says 15 Amp Max. Unfortunately, all the outlets in my basement are on 20 Amp circuits. Can I charge the Delta Pro Ultra on these 20 Amp circuits or, must they be 15 Amp circuits? Does the Ultra possibly regulate the amount of Amps coming into the unit? Thanks.
20 amp outlets can source 2400 watts
15 amp outlets can source 1800 watts
Remember this equation (Volts X Amps = watts)
Since you have 20 amp outlets you have more power available than needed and you are good to go.
If Power goes out, and drain batteries, and then power comes back on, will the Inverter power back on automatically, or do you have to actually physically turn the AC output, or inverter back on.
Just thinking about an instance where you are out of town and power goes out, and it's backing up your Fridge, and batteries die before power comes back on, then power comes back and Fridge stays off until you get home to manually turn the inverter back on.
This features an option in the EF smart app where you can have the AC inverter always on. This allows you to enable the AC inverter as long as the battery has power. If the power station dies, once it starts charging again, it will turn the AC inverter back on.
@@Jasonoid thanks I should have known. Definitely looks like a winner. It does appear that the Documentation states that if you are using 240V to charge it then "it cannot output 240V", It's vaguely mentioned in the manual, and explicitly said in their FAQ section. That's kind of a bummer if you wanted to fast charge from a 240V generator while power was out and still keep lights on using the ecoflow. or maybe I am misreading it with all their "terminology"
Only other question is I suspect that this thing is unbonded aka. floating neutral since if connecting to a panel or non-neutral switching transfer switch the bond would be in the main panel. but I was under the impression that when plugging devices directly into the normal 120V outlets that it should be bonded, at least that's the "safest way".
I was hoping that I could do a transfer switch setup similar to yours, and always be running from the ecoflow, and in extended outages, i could connect generator to my main panel with my existing interlock setup and have a 240V charging circuit from the main panel that was always connected to the 240V charging input of the ecoflow to charge it quickly, but from the documentation I would probably have to switch bak over to "line" on the transfer switch, then stat charging it with 240V from the main panel.
and as long as the 240V charging circuit is independant of the inverter output, I don't have to worry about a ground loop or anything from the main panel to the ecoflow charger, out the charger through the transfer switch back to the main panel...
whew my heads swimming..lol
thanks for the earlier reply. sorry for rambliing.
You can connect another 14 expansion batteries, to get up to 1500% battery, which is insane.
Yep, 5 stacks of batteries per inverter and 3 connected together in total. 15 batteries or 92, 160 watt hours of capacity.
Excellent review. Would love to get one, but my breaker panel is installed outdoors. Have no option of moving the EcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra indoors since my kitchen is on the other side of the wall and garage is detached. I assume the answer is no since it was not mentioned by you (and the Ecoflow has a listed operating temperature of -4F to 113F), but are there any permanent outdoor solutions to use the Pro Ultra?
The device is not meant for wet installation. However the batteries do have built in heaters so it's good for charging at low temps.
@@Jasonoid That's what I assumed. I'm in California, so heat is more of a concern than freezing temps. Either way, I'm happy to see competition for whole home battery backup solutions.
An electrician could install a generator inlet port inside the home for sure.
I have an electrical plan that I do not pay for electricity from 9pm to 7pm and would like to charge it up with a regular 120-wall outlet. EcoFlow cannot answer that question. Can you tell me if that can be done? Thanks
@16:58 How does 'pass through' charging work when it's taking in 120v and passing through split phase 240v?
It's works well. The 120v input seems to match the 240v output, up to 1800 watts. For example. If I have 700 watts going out to my loads via the 240v, it will charge at 700 watts with the 120v input.
3:30 does this thing require an INVERTER GENERATOR on the INFINITY PORT? No One ever discusses that
Yes, all power stations require clean inverter output. An inverter generator is much cleaner than a traditional generator.
im actually wondering, 9:50 does that say 16 days 8 hours and 17 minutes? am i reading that correctly?!?!? or is that 16 hours?
16 days, but I think it was still calibrating the estimated time. It was charging from the wall at that moment so the runtime was a bit long.
@@Jasonoid that could explain it, for calibrations..
Excellent review, with top-notch video production, but I'm just scratching my head on this offering from Ecoflow. The rolling cart looks to be well made, but that was essential if they were going to continue to call this thing a "portable" power station. Frankly, this "Ultra" product crosses over all of the lines from being a portable product to one that is, for all reasonable intents and purposes, a stationary solution. If you're going to build a stationary solution, it is just as easy, and MUCH CHEAPER, to do so with one of the DIY-friendly, all-in-one inverter/charger products that have hit the market in the last year or two. For MY $5,800 - I'm buying two EG4 6000XP inverters and a couple of server rack batteries. For that money you would get nearly twice the inverting capability, 40% more storage, tons more PV input, and the only compromise is that it wouldn't be "portable"...but neither is this monstrosity from Ecoflow, really?
There is only one possible use case where this product makes sense, and it's a stretch: If you've got a large RV and an off-grid cabin that you split time living in, this product could theoretically work for both. For any other scenario, this is just a really expensive and "pretty" solution, where a home-owner would be better served by building a normal component-based system to meet their needs.
While you are someone that can build a DIY setup, this unit is for people who aren't comfortable with DIY in any way. Obviously you'll save money doing any project yourself but you have to have the knowledge and tools to do it. A HUGE majority of the population is not comfortable putting together electrical components and they don't even understand how this stuff works at all. Good luck to 98% of the population 'building a normal component-based system', it's not going to happen.
I think personally id rather buy a solar bundle for 6 grand that includes recharging the battery in the price.
Is the smart home panel 2 rated for outdoor install? Or indoor install only?
Indoor rated only.
@@Jasonoid Thanks for answering that. And nice work on this video by the way.
I’ve been following any and all updates on the DPU. Your video is by far the most concise and comprehensive of all the videos I’ve seen. I especially appreciated the real world home test of a single unit capacity. Thank you.
How many one on one with the keeper does dcl need to actually score😢
DCL?
Is this the type of battery that should be stored at 80% for best longevity or can it be stored until needed at 100%?
With LFP you don't have to worry about 80% storage, it's better to just use the power station everyday.
@@Jasonoid Would only need it for storms…. But with some other ecoflows, you’re turning it on at 80% because they don’t recommend storing it at 100%. I hated to think I’d lose 20% of duration every time I started to use it.
What is the top DC connector/plug type called? I can't find it anywhere and I'm about to use paperclips to connect this bad boy to my RV. I want to replace my old deep cycle battery and hook this up directly. Why us it so damn hard to find the connector with pigtails?
Anderson PowerPole
Where is the coupon you said it was in the description ?
That was for the product launch back in January. It's since expired. No word on any new coupons 😔
Does the Ecoflow dual fuel generator charge this DPU using DC to DC? I never see the 2 of them mentioned together.
The battery voltage is near 100v on this. The dual fuel genny puts out 48v DC output. It's not compatible for DC to DC Charging.
@@Jasonoid thanks
Will you be actually using this as your home backup?
Yes, I am using it daily (in combination with my AC500 to see how they are different).
Have existing solar panels (4.5KW) on my roof with inverter etc connected to the grid. Can I use the existing panels and feed them to this to charge it directly without going first to the grid?
Do your panels have micro inverters installed or do you have one large inverter?
@@Jasonoid one large inverter
@@ConfusedAstroStation-mb2ch as long as the voltage of your panels don't go over the maximum input of the Delta Ultra, I don't see why you couldn't use those panels.
Is the introductory period over already? As of April 28, 2024 their website says the set of one inverter, one battery and one Power Panel is $7,500 not $6,199.
Just wait for the next holiday, it will go on sale I'm sure.
Very nice video review. If I have solar and wall power charging this and leave a couple devices plugged in 24x7, will it keep the batteries charged with solar and not use wall power unless absolutely needed. I'm looking to lower my power bill with this. Does it work like that? Thanks. :)
In the smart app you can set when the power station will start charging via AC input. It will always charge with solar input and then you can chose when you want AC charging.
Thanks again!!! :)
Im thinking about getting 2 DPUs with a 50 amp hub anf installing a generator inlet by my panel for shorter outtages and then for longer situations, having an unlet outside for a 13000 generator running on LPG. Figure having those options can work together in extended grid down situation and if the weatjer does not cooperate for solar.
Hey quick question. Is the ac 120v input working like the delta pro? If you have the charging set to 1200 and the load is 500 is the input pulling from the ac charging at 1700? Hope this makes sense. Thanks! And you can charge with 120v input while running the 240v output right?
Yes, it works like the Delta Pro (that's true passthrough charging).
You can charge with 120v input and get 120v + 240v output at the same time.
@Jasonoid awesome! does it add the load to the charging speed requested for a higher total input or does the input stay the same as requested even with the load?
@@jaysonstebbins2539 it's your set charging speed + the load. Set to to 800 watts + 200 watt load = 1000 watts from the wall. If you change the charging speed to 1000w, it would be 1200w.
@Jasonoid awesome thank you! I had wished they made it as a charger like the bluetti. Maybe that's why there are 2 online ups outlets and 2 eps outlets. I'm thinking maybe the online ups ports are on a dedicated inverter only. And the incoming AC input line is to a relay to the eps AC output line like a delta pro with a charger in that line. When using 220v I could see this to be seen as half your circuits in a breaker box to be ups and the other half eps lol.
@jaysonstebbins2539 the 240v output works as it's own UPS. It seems independent from the 120v outputs. From my testing it's around 16ms or so. I don't really use AC charging on my unit often. It supports so much solar why use wall power when I got the solar panels to power all my loads.
You and 5 other channels I watch all put this video out within a couple hours of each other.
Does ecoflow let you keep the things you review?
It's called a 'media embargo' or the date we are allowed to publish the video. They all launch at the same time.
@@Jasonoid ahh, okay. Thanks for the reply.
what happened to the coupon?
I saw a video that said this thing has horrible Radio Frequency Interference RFI levels…any update on how this has worked long term?
Been using for over 100 days now straight, here's a video from a couple weeks ago about the update:
czcams.com/video/gBbM--NUUWI/video.html
@@Jasonoidthanks for replying, I see now that you measured the interference as well. Which is what the CZcams short I saw is referring to as “dirty electricity.” I guess if you define “dirty electricity” as electricity that causes radio frequency interference then it fits the bill…
Where can this be purchased in Nigeria please?
This is pretty expensive compared to the EG4 stuff that's all over CZcams. Can you compare things like this and the Anker stuff to the more "traditional" systems like EG4?
If I had many different types of systems to compare it would be interesting to see how they would.
EG4 systems are for people who are willing to build something. They have to understand wiring, fuses, and other system components. Takes experience and knowledge most people don't have.
These 'all in ones' are meant for people who don't know much about electronics. The reaserch, development, and assembly work has been done so there's an extra price to pay for these units.
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where is the $1000 off coupon? I want to buy one of these.
Is theEcoFlow Delta Pro Ultra is "floating neutral" or "bonded neutral"?
My unit is floating
*Unit gets grounded when charging from the wall though (like most other power stations)
How can we verify it is either floating or neutral
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@@gtrdotone3735 use an outlet tester, that's what I did.
New law states all generators will be identified regarding the neutrals.
It would be posted right where the outlets are. Terms like “Neutral bonded to frame “or “floating neutral”
Did you see any such identifications on yours?
@@gtrdotone3735 New law? In California? Maybe this model and all the other models I have tested were manufactured before this law was put into place? Nothing regarding bonding on the outside labeling.
Wish they’d put EV charging like the Anker Solix…
Just purchase a bonding plug and this unit will charge an EV no sweat. An EV car charger needs a bonded connection and that's the only thing the Anker 'EV charging mode' does, it bonds the neutral and the ground.
I just can't phantom using that much power after years of being scared spitless from all these utube videos I've finally started my journey to solar and I found that my biggest power hog my furnace only uses 190 wants 220 at start up from other videos I found out the fridge and freezer isn't much more so now I'm trying to figure out what can possibly use so much power so maybe I can't run my frying pan with the microwave or toaster but if people can't wait 10 minutes or less to start cooking or making toast than you need deeper pockets than I have I'd love to see one with the expansion capacity like this a unit with 1000 watts on both legs would do me should be more affordable for those of us seniors or lower income users who don't have a 6 figure income or the ability to go to the bank for a loan
I think you'll be surprised what type of power usage you'll see when trying to run your basics. I usually see around 300 to 500 watts base with two full size fridges and other basics running off my transfer switch. If all you wanted to keep powered was your fridge and furnace then sure, you'll see a longer runtime than I did.
Unless you live in a van I encourage you to do another test. My igniter and blower on my gas furnace pulls 1500 W initially then 875 running. My 2nd furnace pulls 1500 initially and 1170 running.
Battery Chemistry Type?
Lifepo4
No coupon code :(
Just wondering about the UPS function on 240 Volt -obviously charging at 120V would require the inverter to providing a 240 Volt Split Phase output, which means the inverter is always on, regardless of what UPS mode the unit is in. If the 240V Split-Phase (Generator) (Grid?) charging input is used in UPS mode, does this supply then pass through completely as it should, with the inverter only kicking in when the Grid / Generator supply drops? Not seeing a clear explanation in the owner's manual or any review of the Ultra so far. Cheers!
Sometimes I charge my Ultra via a secondary power station with the AC input. I see the lights flicker as it kicks on AC charging so it appears the 240v output is also part of the UPS functionality.
It's not the 0ms cutover but it's quick enough my router and PC stay powered on. So charging at 120v with 240v output does appear to work with UPS functionality.
Thanks for the reply. Feeding 120v Single Phase in and UPS 240 Split-Phase out, obviously means the inverter is always on. What happens when 240v is used as the charging input via Generator cable in)? Does the 240V pass through, with the inverter only kicking in when there is no 240V in, or is the inverter always on regardless? That's the info I'm after. Cheers!
@@aaronanderson2295 I haven't tested 240v generator charging with the 240v output, I don't have a large enough generator.
I do know anytime you are powering a load the inverter is running in the background. It never turns off. The inverter is very efficient on this model. For example, my Bluetti AC500 uses more than twice the idle power usage and it's only a 5000w single phase inverter.
Thanks for the reply -I had a Bluetti AC300 (but want an all-in-one 240 Split-Phase unit like the Delta Pro Ultra)- in UPS Mode, the inverter ran idle in the background in UPS Mode, with up to 20 Amps (programmed in setup menu and combined with a high capacity cord) supplied to the output solely by the AC120 in. If the current draw exceeded 20 amps, or, if the 120V Grid supply in failed, then a switchover via relay would take place and the inverter would supply current up to it's rated output. Wondering if the DPUltra functions the same way with 240 Volt Grid Input (rated at 20 amps max I believe)? Great reviews BTW -always come to your channel first!
Hey Jason, thanks again for this awesome review of the Delta Pro Ultra! I wrote EcoFlow regarding the UPS function of this unit ...... unfortunately, they tell me there is no AC pass through function when using 240 Volt Charging Input -All of the AC Outlets power down when 240V is fed in for charging. This means then, that once the battery(s) is depleted, continuous AC output power as a UPS will be restricted to the max 120 Volt AC input of 1800 watts (120 x 15 amps) or 240 Volts @ 7.5 amps, assuming no solar input and 100% efficiency. It would seem then that running the Delta Pro Ultra as a full time continuous UPS @ rated output of 240 Volts / 30 amps / 7200 watts, is not possible.
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Would you please try out the generator charging? The manual has a note that makes it sound like you can't use the outputs while generator charging (no smart home panel 2, just the DPU). "CAUTION Keep the AC power button off while recharging the product through a high-voltage wall outlet." Their support says this is because "Bypass Mode" isn't available when charging via 240v. Their crappy manual barely mentions bypass and doesn't give the technical details a manual for a $5k device should have.
I showed 120v charging while outputting 120v and 240v in the video.
Johnny's weekends review of this unit also shows 240v charging while putting out both 120v and 240v.
I'm currently using this as my daily driver and it's been working well. I will provide an update video down the road after it has more hours behind it.
@@Jasonoid I appreciate the reply and look forward to your longer term review. Johnny's video didn't really show it. He said it flaked out on him.
EcoFlow told me:
"DELTA Pro Ultra supports bypass mode, but the DPU will not be able to use bypass mode when charging it with 240V voltage.
The DPU will be able to support bypass mode when using 120V to power the DPU."
@@unwin42 I need to find a way to 240v charge, I don't have any 240v generators so I'll think of a way to test that out in specific.
@@Jasonoid Your channel rules, I'm surprised generator companies aren't shoving them through your door! But also you don't need a generator if you've got a 240v outlet you could try, like a dryer or range/oven. Usually an electric dryer is the most accessible 240v outlet in most homes. Trick might be having the right adapter to connect to an extension to go to the DPU. Good luck, I hope you find a way to test it someday.
Where's the coupon?
The coupon was for pre-release sales.
no coupon
Always out of my budget.. Maybe refurbished ones before too long.
While this is an expensive unit due to the size of the battery and the inverter, it's still priced very competitively. It does take a bit of budgeting to get something like this to fit into you budget.
Looks like the UK version (if we get one) will be downgraded from the generator switchover options you guys are getting. Its also not really competitvely priced compared to the rack batteries option. I can get 4 AO Lithium rack batteries for nearly £3500 here. Thats 20kwh. As much as I love Ecoflow they're becoming Apple.
Server rack batteries will always be more affordable since they are just batteries. I love my server rack battery but I haven't found the perfect all in one inverter to go with it.
Connection cable looks like a problem
In what way?
The Online Ups is NOT a UPS, it simply always pulls power from the battery, its not switching from anything. You say multiple times that its switching when its not.
Not the story of what my oscilloscope told us... did you even look at the test results? There was a definitive swapover.
@@Jasonoid I did, otherwise I wouldn't have commented. Just because there was a 4ms change doesn't mean it switched, it could be something else that caused it.
I like the high-tech look of it, but for us normal people who aren't getting them for free... the price point is just way too high. Hard pass! Just saying. :-(
Its hard for viewers to understand the amount of time and work that goes into these videos. This product wasn't free at all, it was 60+ hours of hard work testing, filming and editing the video.... And that's only the time I actually tracked working on this project. There was much more time while working through beta issues for the 2 months I have been testing it providing feedback to Ecoflow engineers to fix issues (all stuff behind the scenes that you'll never see).
This unit is also a preproduction unit and isnt anything I can "sell for value" since it's not the real final product...But hey.... I got it for "free"!
@@JasonoidI enjoyed this video until I saw this overly defensive and condescending response from you. What you do is not “Hard work.” It’s just time consuming. This unit costs 6000 dollars retail with taxes. Even if you spent 80 hours working on this content, that’s being paid the equivalent of 3000 dollars per week. You do get to keep it, and even if it is not a production model, it’s pretty darn close or ecoflow wouldn’t be sending it out for you to post a review for the general public.
@@johnabbott8150 I run a one man show. The planning, the scripting, the recording, the editing, the thumbnails, answering comments on the channel. I also work a full time job during the day that's not youtube so the ~60 hours I tracked for this video project is more like 2 months of testing on the nights and weekends and any other spare time I get, including holidays.
What did you do on Black Friday, New Years day, and President's day? I tested power stations non stop 😂 Creating videos isn't easy work and viewers won't understand that until they have to do it themselves.
Sorry I get triggered when someone ignorant says I get a free product. The product is in exchange for my review video, hours of preproduction testing, and continued use and feedback over months of using the product.
@@Jasonoid You put out good content. Don’t ruin it by posting “Triggered”responses. That’s just a ridiculous buzzword adopted by people to excuse their inability to cope. You control what you say and how you say it. Make your point without any personal attacks and you’ll be much more respected. Good luck in the future.
@@johnabbott8150 thank you, I can do better.
Way more expenaive than an EG4 all in one unit and 48V Lifepo4 batteries.
Will Prowse knows his stuff. Buy that rather than the Ecoflow for home backup.
So you're saying buy TWO 6000w EG4 inverters, put them in split phase for 240v? Then you'd have to buy a stack of 48v batteries. I don't think that would be cheaper, could be better though!
This thing is perfect for those of us that doesn’t want to hard mount a system and wire into batteries with raw exposed lugs.
Third youtube review I've watched on this product and what I noticed is no one comes out and talks about how silly these would be for back up power. I have 3 refrigerators not counting a wine frig and 2 freezers. Just to power those and the blowers on my gas furnaces would require about 5,500 watts and easy 7,500 when the compressors and igniters initially kick on. So for over $5,000 I get one our of back up power. Or I can use FOSSIL FUELS and power everything in the house with ease. I do like the ability to charge it with 120v or 240V from a generator but unless you live in an apartment or CommiFornia I can't wrap my mind around the cost to benefit for back up power that is. Nice breakdown and review but these are still way to pricey. They are getting a lot better but the price points are still out of range for most Americans.
Nice video just 13:18 CZcams speech cadence bugs me. Nobody talks like this in real life
Gotta work on my scripts, I hate writing scripts and trying to make them sounds good. One man youtube show here...
For the money I'm heading to my local Chevy dealer for a new 'ride' . . . . . . . .
OH Wait ! ! ! . . . . . Bought me a 2015 24 KW Li-Ion battery on wheels in 2017 for $9,000. . . . . . .
. . . . no inverter but you can connect say a 1500 watt inverter to it's system battery that it will power from it's 'traction battery' when turned 'on' with 1000 watts. I used it to cut up several wood pallets (so they would fit inside the 'battery on wheels') at a remote location with no problem ! A much satisfactory purchase for me as it will also let me get groceries and run errands within a 30+ mile range without charging. (up to 75 mile range at 10 bar / indicated capacity)
Yup, a Nissan Leaf . A very useful Lithium battery on wheels . take care, rh
Toyota Prius = battery-on-wheels@@richardhobbs7107
It is good that people are mioving from dirty to clean energy, couse we must save our planet. Couse if no then God's patients will be over .
The production of batteries takes a TON of manufacturing processes and mining in order to create them. Im not sure how much 'cleaner' they are vs normal fossil fuel vehicles and devices. It sure is cool tech though! 😎👍
@@Jasonoid It is still alot better then borning oil or coal and etc!!!
@@GODenWord but the factories that make the batteries run on electricity from burnt fossil fuels, right? Luckily the power plants in my area run a much cleaner fuel, natural gas. They have phased out coal in my area. I wish all that power from manufacturing came from solar though!
@@Jasonoid There alot of issues with makng solar and butteries and al of that must be dealt as well!!! How ever even on current state of issues solar energy is alot better for our planet.
@@GODenWord If you are serious about 'saving the planet', nuclear energy is the answer.
This EcoFlow Ultra environment, while impeccably engineered on the surface, is flawed and not ready for prime time. The hardware installation and set up is simple and somewhat straight forward, but that’s where the full beauty of the design ends. The software and app that are actually responsible for insuring that you have power when the grid goes down do not deliver. The biggest issue is the parasitic draw down on the battery when the system is in idle. There are a number of functions on the app that conflict with one another, making work arounds to reduce battery drain impossible. Some app features don’t work at all. And as mentioned in another post, customer support, while courteous, is basically useless. The jury is still out to see if the software functionality is going to catch up with the hardware. I’m not holding my breath…
I've had this running for almost 3 months non-stop. The only ever error/failure I have had had to deal with the low-PV input. Emailing the support group they briefly pushed a new firmware to my machine and the error codes stopped happening. I don't see any conflicts in the software, it just works.
The idle power usage is EXTREMELY less than my Bluetti AC500 (and that only has a 5000w 120v inverter)...
I do charge the DPU off solar 95% of the time, and 5% 120vac input. Either option has worked well while powering my 10 circuit transfer switch 24/7 for 3 months.
You’re obviously not using the Smart Panel 2. So there is no comparison to my experience.
@@JayRymeski nope, I'm using a manual transfer switch and I have no complaints.
How long have you worked for Eco-Flow? Just curious. You sound like a salesman… A car salesman..
Self-liked comment. That says everything...
And you are number hundred of reading the script of the product manufacturer. Gets me really Eco-overflowed. 👎👎👎👎👎
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What was the model of the Reliance Controls Power Transfer System did you get?
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