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The Crucifixion Dilemma That DESTROYS Islam
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- čas přidán 14. 08. 2024
- This video dives into why the Quran says Jesus wasn’t crucified, even though historical evidence suggests otherwise. It also looks at the idea in Islam that someone else took Jesus’ place on the cross and what that means for how reliable the Quran is compared to what the disciples said. Islam has a choice to make: either Jesus wasn’t a prophet like Muhammad said he was, or the Quran got this part wrong. Either way, Islam is wrong.
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"But Testify, you can't just assume the New Testament is reliable. Muslims say it's corrupted!"
A.) I didn't just assume anything. I gave solid reasons to trust that Jesus really predicted his death and resurrection accurately.
B.) Guys, my channel is like one big, ongoing series. Every video builds on the last. I've got a ton of reasons why you can trust the text. Check out my playlists on undesigned coincidences and how history backs the Bible to get all the details.
EDIT: Here's my response to Farhan Ahmed Zia who clearly speeds past pinned comments
isjesusalive.com/farhan-ahmed-zia-ignores-the-point-entirely/
You can't "assume." What you can do is build an airtight case using solid evidence to show that it hasn't been. Which is what you've been doing in video after video. If they don't want to see the evidence that the text of the New Testament is 99.5% certain and corroborated by multiple evidences, both internal and external, that's on them. But they can't cry to you that there's no evidence when you've been laying it out week after week.
Saying that quran is false by giving verses that jesus predicte his death from scriptures that we do not even know exactly who wrote it except mensioning thier names is wild + wrote it after long time of jesus death.
If you want to say the quran is false bring contradiction or somthing false in it not using unknown scriptures to say the quran is false !!
Ok my boy he is a funny dilemma if we take Danial as a profet he explained what dose Jesus mean by the temple getting Distoryed and reconstructed after 3 days
The temple of Solomon was distroyed by Romans then Constantin after 2 centuries took power and guess what after another 4-5 centuries the Muslims Rebuild Al aksa Moske
If we took 3 days as literal will contradict the message being at a sens of unknown.
@maleknaser3267 the evidence points to the scriptures being written by who they say they were, atleast the Gospels. Also the Quran says that the Bible atleast used to be the infallible word of Allah, but it got corrupted. The problem is that we have really old copies of the Bible and they all match the Bible we have now.
@@user-yu2sq2pv2o there is no any proof for what you say. Give me evidance do not tell me we had old copes and that is it.
Jesus would never ask someone to be killed in his place.
Of course not, He came to die as the perfect sacrifice for sin, not to satisfy the Jewish/Roman authorities blood lust.
One thing I will never understand. Why Jesus need to be killed so his follower will not suffer?
If you are the god can't you just, you know don't punish them at the first place.
Why need to kill yourself when you yourself is a god...
@@Zeph504because christianty is a mixed and weird religion, in islam you ask god to forgive you and make towbah and simple as that, no need to go kill your own son
@@Zeph504I think the reason why he chose to do it this way is because God is a just God. He shows us that sin is separation from Him, and that death is the only consequence of sin. But Jesus being sinless undid our deserved death.
@@Zeph504Someone must pay the price for sin, unless God is not Just, which He is, He took the punishment among Himself for us.
Islam is definitely the biggest "Trust me bro" in history when it comes to this
bro just copied the top comment from last video
@@Nguyenzander Doesn't change that it is still a true statement.
Not even just this, Muhammad came over 500 years after Jesus and then feels he is credible to talk about Jesus' life. I think i'll believe the apostles who were actually with Jesus and saw him die on the cross and rise again 3 days later, not some random guy (Muhammad) not even mentioned in the Bible who did some awful things. Islam's 'god' and the true living God of the Bible are not the same btw. Jesus is the only way to the Father, there is no other way. Do not reject Jesus, place your faith in Him.
@@TacoTuesday4 he still copied it. If you made, say a painting, and I copied it and got a lot of money from it, wouldn’t you be mad? Wouldn’t other people who didn’t know it was copied be mad because they paid to see stolen artwork? It’s still good art, but is nonetheless stolen. Likewise the comment is still truth, but stolen.
@@harrywitney3501 Amen bro, though I gotta say that Muslims have been real quiet since this video dropped.
I remember the bible warning to beware of false prophets
Jesus is pretty clear about it.
"But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!" - Galatians 1:8, Muslims believe the Angel Gabriel gave Muhammad the words of the Quran
@@trafalgarq805 i'm not a christian but pretty sure that's just one of muhammad's many schizo sessions
@@trafalgarq805 pretty sure Muhammad described him as an angel of light, correct me if i’m wrong. Isn’t that exactly the description of satan when he tries to deceive humans from his true identity?
@GolAcheron-fc4ug No. You might be confusing the story of the Angel Jibreel (Gabriel)
I'm an atheist. I don't believe in both religions, but if you looking at this event as a historical story, why would you trust some random dude in arab lands 600 years later when there are literally eye witnesses of said event?
Who were the eyewitnesses the wrote about the event of the crucifixion?
John...
@@TestifyApologetics Show me we’re the Author of the Gospel of John claimed to be John son of Zebedee or an eyewitness.
@@Truth21a619 “This is the disciple who testifies of these things, and wrote these things; and we know that his testimony is true.”
John 21:24 in reference and context to verses about the Beloved Disciple. If we go back to the record of the crucifixion, it clearly shows the Beloved Disciple at the foot of the cross, thus, the author witnessed the crucifixion.
@@Squatplug1549 Claiming John 21:24 proves authorship because it mentions the beloved disciple is laughable. The Gospel doesn’t name its author, making it anonymous. “We know that his testimony is true” is just community self-promotion, not evidence. That doesn’t confirm the author was an eyewitness. The text has been edited and reflects collective memory, not direct observation. This passage doesn’t prove anything about who wrote it or if they were there.
Christians: Jesus died by crucification
Jews: he died by crucification but wasn't God
Romans: we crucified him under pontius pilate
Muslims over 600 years later: some overly elaborate conspiracy theory that makes no sense
Truth
Jesus was not killed he lay HIS LIFE
Yep kinda?
Revelations 2:9/3:9
Deuteronomy 28
A way.
proff jesus wasnt muslim: he drank wine-
Nobody was muslim until islam which was centuries later
Checkmate
First of all, Quran came in parts. And wine wasn‘t directly prohibited in quran bc arabs back then were one of the biggest consumers of alcohol. So what happened? The prohibition came in slowly, it started with don‘t get drunk and pray ( because you can easily mess up reading the quran which is the words of god), then it said that selling it or serving it is but the actions of satan himself. And finally it says to avoid drinking it ( the idea of drinking alcohol is still debated by many scholars till this day)
And by the way, quran didn‘t talk about alcohol until waay deep into the book itself. Please educate yourself people!
@@DylanOnRoids65 is there a Satan in islam?
@DylanOnRoids65 of Jesus was indeed a prophet. Wouldn't he have already known it was an "action of satan"
Notice how in the 10 commandments it says to not bear false witness? Which is an interesting way to say to not lie but the “Jesus was replaced on the cross” is the literal definition of false witnessing
I’m not defending Islam because it’s also fake, but your own book has MULTIPLE DIFFERING ACCOUNTS of the event. So… ummm… like the authors don’t even agree on what happened. That’s… inconvenient
@@YitroBenAvraham hmm any examples?
@@JesseltonGaming The entire crucifixion and resurrection accounts. They don’t match up. Like… important details are different. The missionaries explain this by saying “oh, it’s like an eye witness to a car accident… they sometimes see the same thing differently” but that doesn’t make sense in this case. They acknowledge the contradictions and try to explain them away as minor details, but they can only get away with it because 99% don’t actually read the books. Read it for yourself and decide.
@@YitroBenAvraham this has already been proven wrong. If ur talking about Jesus’s last words on the cross or who went to his tomb then I suggest you look deeper into the story.
With Jesus’s last words only one book says his last words is “it is finished” while another book says “forgive them father for they know not what they do. And then he gave out a loud cry and breathed his last” etc so what was the loud cry? And did the book claim that was his last words? Or was that the last of his words that the book recorded?
With “who discovered Jesus’s tomb?” 3 books say a group of women (who were Jesus’s followers) found the tomb to be empty but the book of John says Mary Magdalene. That’s not a differing account because John didn’t say ONLY Mary Magdalene went to the tomb. John 20:2 Mary says to the disciples “they have taken the lord out of the tomb and WE don’t know where they have put them!” So who’s the WE that Mary is talking about?
Matthew is a recording of Jesus’s teachings and events
Mark is a preaching of the good news to the gentiles (there’s no Jesus being born in a manger story told in the book of mark)
Luke is a historical account of Christs life (Luke is a historian who also wrote the book of acts)
John is a personal account of Jesus’s life from someone close to him
So of course the same story is going to be told in a different way BUT if you treat the books as a 4 test answers and D. Is “all of the above” then know the other answers are also right but maybe mark said the answer is B. Doesn’t mean he’s wrong tho
@@portsidedyldo2661exactly. Omission ≠ Contradiction.
Islam makes no sense to me because hypothetically...
Someone is found murdered in the middle of the road, who would you as the detective ask to figure out what happened, the eye witnesses, or some guy 600 years in the future?
And not mention crucifixion had multiple sources
@@stressreliever9751 yea and also the Roman’s have actual proof of Jesus being alive and his crucifixion.
There’s so many sources
Islam is a "trust me bro" and you be punished or else kinda thing also u be killed if u leave it....
If the guy 600 years in the future was receiving revelation from an all knowing God, then his testimony is greater because God is above any eye witness, especially a
Human eye witness who is can either be a liar or someone who misinterpreted what he saw.
@@SnowLeopard-lt1vf which there is less proof of than the bible testimonies
Without lies, islam DIES
Same goes for all religion.
@@davepugh2519 not for Jesus, the only true living God✝️
@@davepugh2519. Archaeological discoveries consistently support the biblical narrative of people, places, and events.
@@annemurphy9339 really?
@@thefogitself yes
Why should anyone believe Allah when the Quran calls him "the best of deceivers" multiple times?
Because they want 72 virgins
Note that the bible goes the opposite direction and calls Satan the Father of Lies. Coincidence?
It makes no sense.
But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! (Galatians 1 : 8)
And what'd ya know, 600 years later suddenly an angel appears to a wild man in a cave, telling that you're the chosen one and that the actual witness accounts and a book that was made 100 years after Jesus (100 is closer to Jesus times than 600) is wrong... hmmm and its crazy how those people still claim their book that was written by a self-proclaimed by an angel wild cave human to conquest by sword, and blood other nations and saying that the gospels that talk about love, loving each other, helping each other, peace, and actual witness testimony to be false... yeah nothing "wrong" here.
I thank God everytime for making my mind clear, and that He protected me from these lies, I had my doubts about God, at one point even dare think that He isn't real, but even when I had doubt He stayed and held my hand, and showed me the way to life, and moved my feet away from the path that leads to death. God is the loving Shepherd and He continues to protect and lead His people.
@@dayana4654 the earliest gospel, that of Mark, was written around the 60s, and the other two synoptics before the 64 b.c.
The earliest letters of Paul were written around the 50s.
this also leads to a genuine question that also arises, why were the jews so keen on arresting Jesus and later crucifying him if he didn’t break any laws? Why did they arrest him on the count of blasphemy (claiming to be God)? Islam says Jesus never claimed to be God, so then why did the Jews arrest him?
@@bolztyle they arrested Jesus because he was claiming to be God and the devil was using them. It wasn’t even them who put Jesus on the cross it was Jesus himself who laid down his own life and he was free to take it up at any point.
The Quran is wrong. Jesus claimed to be God because he is God.
@@naimaclark2982 If Jesus himself laid down his own life in cross, why would Jesus ask His disciples to watch for their safety in Gethsemane?
@@SunnyTraveler Jesus is fully human and fully God. I’m not sure but I’m guessing Jesus was at his lowest and just wanted to know that his friends were sticking by his side until the end. But he knew that they would scatter. And I’m pretty sure they could have been put to death as well just for association. Which is why Peter denied Jesus 3 times.
Let's roll back to a time where didn't have as much law and order. What happens when someone claims to be a prophet/son of god/angel/whatever? Everyone who believes you will defend you like a zealous and everyone who doesn't will try to kill you like a zealous. Who comes out on top is a matter of arithmetic and luck. In this case, Jesus' followers weren't as successful.
“If anyone preaches to another gospel, other than the one we’ve preached to you, let them be accursed!”
Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)
@@valinorean4816 😆
@@valinorean4816 why would the disciples bury a not-dead man? Even better: why would he be crucified only to not die?
@@valinorean4816 that seems very silly. You have a silly religion
@@valinorean4816 jumping through hoops just to argue something you know is correct. Jesus died on the cross. 3 days. Yahshua is king
The denial of the historical crucifixion is one of the main reasons why I reject Islam. It's indefensible.
I 100% agree. Jesus is King. The only issue this video presents is Testify forgot to show why using the Bible is valid in those situations. Surah 3:3-4, Surah 7:157, and so on. Because I guarantee you some Muslims are going to claim that this video has no validity due to it using Bible references for the catch 22. Which is dismissed by the Quran claiming the Gospels as correct and in the present tense, but still there is bound to be some…
@@danielromani2964the thing is you weren't there. Allah (god ) was, so he testified, as he calls himself in the quran a sufficient witness
@@danielromani2964so to say that this is the reason why you reject islam is false
You should read the message of allah the quran, if you believe in it and belive that its from god, then everything god said must be true
@@abdoume1406 that is literally blind faith, buddy. You have no proof whatsoever that the Quran is in fact the word of Allah. You have no proof that it is telling the truth. You only have what is written in it, and it is written that the Gospels and Torah are previous revelations from Allah. Therefore, according to the Quran, what they claim is accurate, so that means Jesus claimed to be God and was crucified. Your point holds no logic, it’s like me saying Jesus is God just cause the Bible is the Word of God. That means it has to be true, no other thinking or historical evidence provided
@@abdoume1406 also, I have looked into the Quran. I’ve found so many contradictions, immoral teachings, and self-reliant claims I have completely shelved it as mythology, NOT religion. Because unlike you, I choose not to be gullible and to analyze both moral teachings AND historical reliability. Muhammad and the Quran are not reliable in the subjects they talk about, and therefore make too many self-reliant historical claims with no historical or literary evidence to back them up. Believing something to be true doesn’t magically make it true
The fact that they think the disciples were Muslim without that even existing yet for another at least 100 years, is insane. 😂
500 ish years. Muhammed was about 600 ad. It's even more cringe
@@victuss1413 fr though lol
They say Jesus i muslim, but Jesus drank wine...thats not very halal
Dear fellow theist, you should probably be a little more cautious in issuing this judgment. Christians see appearances of Jesus in Israelite Scripture over a 1000 years before Jesus lived.
What's even more insane, is that women would follow a "religion", which states that most of the people in Hell are women because they are stupid and that they should veil themselves, so that men won't be tempted to r*pe them. Insanity!
Great video and for someone who didnt get it i explain it here:
• If the Bible is correct, the Qur'an's account is false.
• If the Qur'an's account is correct, it contradicts Jesus' prophecy about His death, making Him a false prophet by their own criteria.
@@SCP-Mythos even better. Muslims believe prophets cannot lie or sin. So either Jesus is the Son the God and the Bible is true or he’s a liar and the quaran is still false as that would mean a prophet lied.
John-Jesus was crucified, I was there to see it.
Mohammed-Nah he wasn’t, trust me bro
Allah: 🐍 ps... ps... ps.. pzzzzz....
The only evidence of John is from the buybull. NOT a reliable account.
Yeah, it's crazy that other people believe. How do you know the information you got directly came from God? I'd trust a man who actually saw it with his eyes.
Give me the full biography of john , tell me his full name , his full story of how he met jesus , your evidence that he saw him .
Me personally ? I can give you everything you want about Muhammad (pbuh), and he isn’t the one that said he wasn’t crucified anyways.
@@kashmirandal6282”i’d believe a man but not god”
Well, the disciples all pretty much died in terrible, horrible ways, after years of persecution. Why would they go through all of that if they knew Jesus didn’t die on the cross?
Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)
@@valinorean4816what a huge reach to try and get around this. I pray you lift up your eyes, open your heart and ask God to show you the truth. Seek it and you shall find him!
@@valinorean4816 Technically you could still argue he died but didn't truly die as in once your dead you can never come back. It doesn't say he didn't die, it just says that they didn't kill him. If someone is killed and comes back from the dead than you didn't truly kill him did you?
as a hypothetical, imagine you shoot someone and the person is clinically dead but the doctors manage to revive him than you haven't killed him even though he was dead.
@@RickyVis clinically dead is not dead lol, medical resuscitation is not resurrection
That's misinformation. For most of them we dont know how they died, and those we know of only few died for reasons related to persecution.
Also, some of their death stories seem heavily copied form each other, ie likely made up in the first place.
I'm about to convert to Islam and bruh, I'm so thankful that you made this video, I'll be returning to church now, this is my greatest doubt
See debates in Christian prince
@@Petrosgiannakouros7 just thanking God for this vid, I stopped going to mosque after this vid, I'm now learning Catholicism
@@freekillgaming2875 denomination doesn't matter, a personal relationship with God is what truly matters
Wow, glad you were pulled out in time. People from the mosque you were going to might start checking in on you, they don't like it when potential "reverts" get away. Stay strong!
@@freekillgaming2875 I hope you will also examine Christianity critically. I can recommend the videos of Bart Ehrman here on CZcams.
Islam has gotta be the best combination of ancient Christian heresy and polytheistic animism
Sprinkled with large doses of demonic oppression
@@llamaboioflusatia it was made by occult, masonry Jesuits all serve same master. The Great Deceiver. Goes to show how strong spiritual blindness can be, they think they have the truth…from following a liar.
It's funny, because old Christians denied many stuff that today Christians believe in, and Islam isn't polytheistic, but Christianity is, and it also contains Idoltary
@@pacinst6019Polytheism makes way more sense to me than Monotheism ngl
@pacinst6019 Christianity isn't technically polytheistic, there is only one God, three "persons". They are separate but together in a way, its complicated, but it is only one thing being worshipped
bro i heard an argument from a muslim why the gospels are wrong and he said: uhh the disciples copied each other💀
Ok? What's your point
They did tho, 70 percent of Matthew is copied from Mark.
@@skibidibap4411it's almost like they're all telling the same story just from different perspectives. That's really not the gotcha you think it is. It's not like some kids copying each others answers for a test.
@@iamthehype3684 different people reciting thr same story are bound to say them in different ways but not in the synoptic gospels. It literally copied each other word for word.
You really don't understand how word for word the gospels similarities are, dont you?
If I commissioned 3 writers to tell me a story about "Jack and the bean stock" they would, of course, share the same story beats and share key details of the story but they wouldn't have entire paragraphs or groups of paragraphs which copy each other word for word. If it did anyone would agree that these authors plagiarized their content. That is exactly what happens in the synoptic gospels. They have entire paragraphs which copy each other word for word and therefore cannot be trusted as first hand personal accounts.
If you want to learn more, google the synoptic problem.
It’s always fascinating that people believe a document 500 years later of the act before a contemporary eyewitness account
623 years later.
Not 500.
But yeah you're correct.
thinking is forbidden in islam.
The gospel writers were not eyewitnesses
@@davepugh2519 yes. Matthew and John were...now, Muhamad the pedo, was definitely not an eyewhitness 😂😂😂.
They were in fact@@davepugh2519
“Through a hole in the roof” is such a typical kind of thing to say for Christianity spin-off religions.
Was the hole real or just an appearance. who repaired the hole, tell me more about the hole.
The story in the Koran sounds like bad fan fiction. They can believe whatever they want.
@@MrSquirrelboy kinda ironic how you believed what has been said in this video with 0 source. must be reliable.
Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)
@@valinorean4816 that is the problem with islam. Believing in spells and magic. Jesus perform miracles. He was dead for 3 days. Joseph and Nicodemus carried his body after the crucifixion and brought myrrh and spices and bound his body with linen. Get yourself educated. The centurion even speared Jesus body to make sure he was dead. How daft can you be.
I love how Jesus ascended through a hole in the roof
Breaking news, CZcamsr Testify mysteriously dies by his car exploding while he was inside
So accurate😂😂
At one point I laughed at the thought of Christians being oppressed
Now I wonder why I missed the warning signs
@@nathanielgarza9198 welcome to the 21st century.
And Islam is trying to rule the world
If anyone thinks one of the disciples would have volunteered to be crucified before the resurrection they need to read the gospels again. Either that or they've never witnessed a crucifixion. We don't pretend the writers of our sacred texts were perfect.
But... But... I thought the cross was a chocolate candy...
Not that it would have mattered. They weren't God, so their blood couldn't save us all.
Yes. And even if they were as selfless as Jesus was to decide to save Jesus's life, why was their name not mentioned? Even if Jesus didn't testify who that disciple was, why would none of the other 10-11 disciples say who died for Jesus? Mary is remembered for her offering of ointment unto Jesus, Joseph of Arimathea and Nicodemus are remembered for burying him in a tomb, but you're telling me that the disciple who offered to be crucified to save Jesus goes unnamed? Something critical missing there.
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
@@ggpt9641there’s nothing “missing” there’s no historical evidence of a “unnamed” disciple volunteering to be crucified in christs stead, no Apostle teaches this, no church tradition implies this, it’s just a bunch of “trust me bro” mumbo jumbo that requires no proof since it proves itself in the eyes of Muslims.
Mohammed: "Jesus wasn't crucified"
Everyone: "Source?"
Mohammed: "It came to me in a dream"
Everyone: "Ok, I believe you"
Not dream, more like demon possession.
Christ is Lord ☦️
@@MaximusAugustusOrthodox yes✝️
Why cant i visit ur profile 😢
Amen ✝️
@@DanielA-no9xv bless you
I heard one Sheik say it was clear that Jesus did die but that Allah resurrected Him and thats what the Quran meant. He got in a lot of trouble for saying that
John 3:16-17 “For God so loved the world he gave his only begotten Son so who so ever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world but to save the world through him.” God bless you Jesus loves you.
Here's part of what the prophet Isaiah said about the Messiah:
"Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,
and though the Lord makes his life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.
After he has suffered,
he will see the light of life and be satisfied;
by his knowledge my righteous servant will justify many,
and he will bear their iniquities." (Isaiah 53: 10-11, NIV).
In other words, Isaiah said G-d Himself would treat the Messiah's death as a sin offering (which is why Jesus' crucifixion is often called a 'sacrifice'). The same passage says the Messiah would be raised back to life and be highly rewarded --- He would see the light of life and be 'satisfied'. The Messiah's sin offering would be on behalf of His figurative offspring (i.e. believers) to pay the price for their sins (i.e. bear their iniqities).
This was written by Isaiah about 600BCE, or 1200 years before the creation of the Quran.
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
@@magaretprempeh5512taking things out of context without understanding
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Isaiah 53
He was pierced for our transgressions he was crushed for our iniquity the punishment that brought us peace was upon him and through his wounds we are healed"
Islam doesn't believe in the Bible we currently have, so it's of no use to prove it using the Bible
@spongeboblover7052 theirs over 5,800 manuscripts of nt alone and scholars and historians agree its 99.5 reliable to the original text and the .5 doesn't affect christian theology at all its mostly periods or commas
I have Isaiah 53 memorized in KJV because its what the band Stryper was named from. I love it when music, TV shows, and movies can make me do that.
You're arguing from christian perspective, the gospels aren't canonical to Islam and Jesus never predicted his ressurection in Quran, only in the Bible. The contradictions only appear when you compare explicitly muslim sources to the explicitly christian ones, which will naturally not agree.
Note that I'm an atheist myself and as such believe in the crucifiction myself (without ressurection naturally), it's just that this video seems to come from bad faith as it clearly isn't aimed at those who believe in Islam, but instead at christians seeking a validation of their views at the expense of islam
I am suprised that most comments are not aware of this silly argumentation.
EXACTLY
If the disciples are Muslims (i.e. having the uncorrupted words) then what they say have to be reliable and most of them become martyrs for saying Jesus was crucified and rose from the dead.
Yea I am a devoted Christian I thought the same thing
Remember God is Truth and the devil is the king of deception.
The most devoted follower is the skeptic
Beware of false profits they come to you in sheep’s clothing but beneath they are vicious wolfs Islam is the devil I swear what kind of god tells his followers to plunder enslave and kill none belivers
When is the next bible update?
why do you guys think this is an own when we've been using the same 66 books centuries and centuries?
OK, how about this....how many Qurans are there? answering-islam.org/Green/seven.htm
@@TestifyApologetics.
Muslims often claim that the Bible has been updated or corrupted over time. This belief raises an important question about the authenticity of the verses within the Bible. If the Bible has indeed been altered, how can one confidently determine which verses remain true to the original message?
Muslims often assert that the Bible has been corrupted or updated over time. However, they also cite certain verses to support theological arguments. This raises a logical inconsistency: if the Bible is corrupted, how can any verse be trusted as authentic?
Muslims believe the Bible has been altered, which undermines the reliability of its content. This perspective casts doubt on the entire text.
Consider the following verses which present contrasting attributes of Jesus and God:
• Seen vs. Unseen: John 1:29 (Jesus was seen) vs. 1 John 4:12 (No man has ever seen God).
• Human vs. Divine: Acts 2:22 (Jesus was a man sent by God) vs. Numbers 23:19, Hosea 11:9 (God is not a man).
• Mortal vs. Immortal: 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 (Jesus died) vs. 1 Timothy 1:17 (God cannot die).
• Tempted vs. Untemptable: Matthew 4:1 (Jesus was tempted) vs. James 1:13 (God cannot be tempted).
• Weary vs. Unweary: John 4:6 (Jesus grew weary) vs. Isaiah 40:28 (God cannot grow weary).
• Sleep vs. No Sleep: Mark 4:38 (Jesus slept) vs. Psalm 121:2-4 (God does not sleep).
• Learning vs. All-Knowing: Hebrews 5:8-9 (Jesus had to grow and learn) vs. Isaiah 40:28 (God does not need to learn).
• Limited Power vs. All-Powerful: John 5:19 (Jesus was not all-powerful) vs. Isaiah 45:5-7 (God is all-powerful).
• Limited Knowledge vs. All-Knowing: Mark 13:32 (Jesus was not all-knowing) vs. Isaiah 46:9 (God is all-knowing).
These verses suggest inherent contradictions if updates were indeed made to the Bible.
If the Bible has been updated or corrupted, it stands to reason that all verses could be called into question. This selective belief in certain verses while dismissing others as corrupted presents a logical inconsistency.
Claiming the Bible has been
updated implies that any part of it could have been altered. Therefore, using specific verses to argue theological points while asserting the text is corrupted presents a logical inconsistency. How can one confidently rely on certain verses if the overall integrity of the text is in question?
@@CrystaLiesthats what muslims believe, doesn't mean its true
@@CrystaLiesalso, John 5:19 doesn't say God isn't all powerful, it says the Son is nothing without the Father. It's referring to the Trinity. How many more verses did you twist or just not read?
The biggest "it's just a prank bro" from the Devil
Alright, let's say Jesus was on the cross but he was under an invincibility spell, so that it only looked like they killed him but they didn't (miraculous swoon theory), later he recovered, magically healed himself completely (Islam acknowledges he could do this) and came to the disciples, and they misunderstood this as him resurrecting from the head. Note how in the doubting Thomas episode he emphasizes that he was on the cross, but never says that he died. This is consistent with the Quran. (The story about a hole in the roof is not from Muhammad.)
@@valinorean4816 Jesus told the disciples many times: " The Son of Man will be KILLED, but he will rise on the third day".
@@voxpopuli8132 Muslims believe that part is retrofitting in hindsight by rumor/story development. The evidence that it happened like that is much flimsier than the evidence for the crucifixion and even "resurrection", wouldn't you agree?
@@voxpopuli8132 Muslims believe this is just rumors/story development afterwards. Tahrif - corruption of the scripture (not necessarily deliberate, like the telephone game).
@@valinorean4816 what a gymnastics making his story .
You shall bear false witness.
Muhammad is a liar
This would mean Allah invented Christianity and didn’t fix his mistake until 600 years later
This would also mean that around 500 years worth of people died being "misled". That is a fake god because he made mistakes. The real God is ✝✝
Yeah he was pretty involved in making sure people did the right thing throughout the entirety of the Bible. The idea that the disciples got all of the teachings wrong, or even worse that God got it wrong, and then just didn’t change anything for 600 years is ridiculous. And the idea that God would “fix” his “mistake” by telling some random dude in a cave to go create a religion that is fundamentally the completel opposite of everything he taught before? That’s just so completely ridiculous.
@@scalycoronet5198 you know nothing about the Quran if you think it teaches the complete opposite of what was taught before. Not even your own scholars would agree with this claim
@@red.40 The Quran doesn't think Jesus is the son of God, it talks about how the Bible is "corrupted" and Jesus was not crucified, and didn't rise up from the dead 3 days later.
That goes against core Christian teachings, the only thing that doesn't make it so that Islam is teaching completely opposite stuff, is that it says Jesus is the Messiah.
Other than that though, Islam is (almost) completely opposite of what Jesus taught.
@@scalycoronet5198 Don't forget that in the 6 centuries that he refused to fix his mistake, so many people died and got cast down following the "wrong God". That's a ton of people.
Am I going to trust a guy who wrote an account 400 years later, or am I going to trust those who were there when this happened.
600 years later".
@@Jamblmng2wether it was 400 or 600 years, my point still stands
In truth, Islamic theology is one of the weakest in the world. 😅
No theology is strong.
Dude your religion has had thousands of sects over the years and alot of western "christians" are gay and liberal and stuff like that tbh i could keep giving more examples if u want. Wdym that our theology is weak
@@wildan.danial Islam also has 1000s of sects, and is generally more divided then Christianity
@@briandiehl9257 Islam has 71 ish sects all the others are just minor disagreements and a whole other religion that claims to be islam. but all of them have a few things in common which is that there is 1 god, Muhammad is the last prophet and you have to pray atleast 3 or 5 times a day.
@@wildan.danial Why would God reveal that something that is allegedly untrue or "corrupted" (as islam says about Jesus' crucifixion) with making up a new story, an a very strange story aswell, instead of just saying (in the Quran) for example: The whole story about Jesus's crucifixtion is made up. It never happened. The End.
Yea this is the best argument against Islam why would it be "made to look like he was crucified"? in doing this Allah purposely deceived everyone including the disciples creating Christianity a false religion and leading everyone astray then 600 years later going "lol gotcha, everything you guys have believed for 100s of years is wrong and I done it on purpose". Like what? I genuinely feel like this is an indefensible position to have.
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
@@magaretprempeh5512Context matters.
Same for Mormonism or any "corrupt gospel" based religion. They all imply that God sat on His hands and let billions of people be deceived for centuries before finally correcting the record via a vision delivered to a single guy with no corroborating evidence. Oh and that guy also gets to marry his underage cousins and gets 10% of your income because God told him so.
@@magaretprempeh5512 Nothing was refuted? You claim they contradict but at know time did they. Several of those accounts were at different times. Also neither account was first hand. Those writing were not there at the birth. They are recounting based on public records of the time and what others had told them.
Ok some break downs:
Both Mary and Joseph were of the line of David. Why Matthew went through Joseph instead of Mary I don't know.
You are missing the earlier career of Quirinius. He was in command of the armies as the Legional Legate for the region of Syria from 12BC - 4BC. He governed along with Titius, Saturninus and Varus as Imperial Legates. He had all the same authority (including governing) as the other three. As the wars moved from the region so did he. To end his career he became the Resident Imperial Legates of Syria from 6AD - 12AD. This means he was governing during the end of Harod's life in 4BC.
Jesus was born in Bethlehem and an angel came to them and warned of Herod's anger so they fled to Egypt. Harod then ordered the mass slaughter of all young males below the age of three. Then after Harod's death the angel came again and told them to return.
The rest you just need to look at context in the story of why its stated.
With your logic why would your ‘god’ deceive 2 billion + people with a false religion
So glad you’re starting to make videos refuting islam! God bless always!
A waste of his talents tbh 😂
@@user-jy6hd9uw8h. It seems a beautiful use of biblical/historical knowledge since the truth can lead many to salvation in Christ.
@@user-jy6hd9uw8h never a waste imo. Someone could be on the fence of which religion to look into and many these days look at Islam. These videos may help them see the truth. I understand what u meant though :D
@@user-jy6hd9uw8hNyet, even being agnostic myself, Islam should be resisted and actively chased from the west
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
And it gets worse when scholars (atheists, jews, christians, etc) did prove that Jesus died, and other religions (Buddhism, Hinduism, etc) also show Jesus died... it no longer makes sense to think he hasn't died or whatnot
Perhaps when you write things you should share your sources, because nowhere in the Quran does it state that Jesus asked his disciples to take his place. The only place it was spoken of was Quran 4:157-158.
In fact popular belief among Muslims is that a conspiracy was made to kill Jesus, Allah made the main culprit who betrayed Jesus look exactly like Jesus, then he was crucified in Jesus’ place. Jesus was raised safe and sound to the heavens. Muslims also believe in the second coming of Jesus.
Even if that were true, the disciples all pretty much died in terrible, horrible ways, after many years of persecution. Why would they go through all of that brutal suffering for Christ if they knew Jesus didn’t die on the cross?
He stated that he got this story from Ibn Abbas. As a companion of Mohammed, you would think he would have transmitted a story as important as this accurately. To be honest, though, it doesn't really matter, because even the way you tell this story is flawed, because it still ends up with billions of people being deceived by that switch. Why would Allah do something like that? It makes no sense. He could have chosen any other way to punish the betrayer, as he did in the Gospels, yet he chose a way which led to people being deceived and believing that Jesus was God, a belief which is wrong according to Islam. Basically, Allah made a HUGE mistake with that one little action which served no other purpose. It's clear that Mohammed, or whoever came up with this version of the story, was just trying to 'disprove' or attack Christianity's core belief, when in fact his crucifixion is basically accepted historical fact. Jews believe it, atheists believe it, and certainly Christians believe it. Jews and atheists obviously don't believe in his resurrection or that his death paid for everyone's sin, but they accept his crucifixion as a historical event. I suggest you look up the ApostateProphet YT channel, he's a former Muslim who makes videos about Islam and its inconsistencies and uses mostly the Quran to disprove itself, so it's not like he's using an outsider perspective. It's just using the Quran and logic that he does it. He's also not a Christian so he's not trying to convert you or anything.
And of course the Quran is there to revise the information back.
I'm pretty sure it says so in Surah An-Nisa 4:157
"if any man come preaching a different Jesus and gospel than that ye received let him be cursed"
Quote properly, he also added "Angel from heaven".
@@justinemereni689 my bad
Christ Died For Us
@@moosa86 significance of His willingness was to bring Eternal Life to those who believe. Through His crucifixion and burial, and resurrection.
John 14:6
I Am the Way the Truth and the Life, no man comes to the Father but through Me.
He is the door to the Father.
John 10:9
[9]I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
The one mediator. We ask forgiveness, forgiven by Him, washed in His blood that makes us righteous to go before The Father.
God is too Holy for our sins, we are as filthy rags, but Christ's crucifixion on the Cross made the path for us to be with God. Through His shed blood. It purifies, sanctifies us.
John 11:25-26
[25]Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life. He who believes in Me, though he may die, he shall live.
[26]And whoever lives and believes in Me shall never die. Do you believe this?”
@moosa86 There are multiple reasons
1. The Problem of Sin: According to the Bible, all humans have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Sin separates humanity from God, and the consequence of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
2. The Need for Atonement: In the Old Testament, atonement for sin was made through animal sacrifices. These sacrifices symbolized the seriousness of sin and the need for a substitute to bear the penalty of death (Leviticus 17:11). However, these sacrifices were temporary and had to be repeated.
3. Jesus as the Perfect Sacrifice: The New Testament presents Jesus as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice for sin. Unlike the animal sacrifices, Jesus' sacrifice was once for all time. Jesus is described as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). His death on the cross was a substitutionary atonement, meaning He died in our place, bearing the punishment for our sins (1 Peter 2:24).
4. Fulfillment of Prophecy: Jesus' death was also a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those found in Isaiah 53, which speaks of a suffering servant who would be pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5).
5. God's Love and Justice: The death of Jesus is seen as a demonstration of both God's love and justice. God's justice requires that sin be punished, but His love provided a way for that punishment to be borne by another. Romans 5:8 says, "But God demonstrates His love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
6. Reconciliation with God: Through Jesus' death, believers are reconciled to God. Jesus' sacrifice removes the barrier of sin, allowing for a restored relationship with God. This reconciliation is described in 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, which states that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.
7. Victory Over Death: Finally, Jesus' death and subsequent resurrection are seen as a victory over sin and death. By rising from the dead, Jesus defeated the power of sin and death, offering eternal life to all who believe in Him (1 Corinthians 15:55-57).
In summary, Jesus died for our sins to provide a perfect and final atonement, to fulfill prophecy, to demonstrate God's love and justice, to reconcile humanity with God, and to achieve victory over sin and death.
@@moosa86 There are multiple reasons
1. The Problem of Sin: According to the Bible, all humans have sinned and fall short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23). Sin separates humanity from God, and the consequence of sin is death (Romans 6:23).
2. The Need for Atonement: In the Old Testament, atonement for sin was made through animal sacrifices. These sacrifices symbolized the seriousness of sin and the need for a substitute to bear the penalty of death (Leviticus 17:11). However, these sacrifices were temporary and had to be repeated.
3. Jesus as the Perfect Sacrifice: The New Testament presents Jesus as the ultimate and perfect sacrifice for sin. Unlike the animal sacrifices, Jesus' sacrifice was once for all time. Jesus is described as the Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world (John 1:29). His death on the cross was a substitutionary atonement, meaning He died in our place, bearing the punishment for our sins (1 Peter 2:24).
4. Fulfillment of Prophecy: Jesus' death was also a fulfillment of Old Testament prophecies, such as those found in Isaiah 53, which speaks of a suffering servant who would be pierced for our transgressions and crushed for our iniquities (Isaiah 53:5).
5. God's Love and Justice: The death of Jesus is seen as a demonstration of both God's love and justice. God's justice requires that sin be punished, but His love provided a way for that punishment to be borne by another. Romans 5:8 says, "But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us."
6. Reconciliation with God: Through Jesus' death, believers are reconciled to God. Jesus' sacrifice removes the barrier of sin, allowing for a restored relationship with God. This reconciliation is described in 2 Corinthians 5:18-19, which states that God was reconciling the world to Himself in Christ, not counting people's sins against them.
7. Victory Over Death: Finally, Jesus' death and subsequent resurrection are seen as a victory over sin and death. By rising from the dead, Jesus defeated the power of sin and death, offering eternal life to all who believe in Him (1 Corinthians 15:55-57).
In summary, Jesus died for our sins to provide a perfect and final atonement, to fulfill prophecy, to demonstrate God's love and justice, to reconcile humanity with God, and to achieve victory over sin and death.
@@moosa86Jesus was willing to be crucified out of love for us, because his death on the cross opened the door for humans to achieve eternal life. He did not have to die in the cross if he didn’t want to, but chose to out of love for us, and out of a desire to save us. Read John 3:16
I really hope these comments are one big elaborate ragebait since there's no way people actually believe what they posted here
Your a nihilist, of course you dont understand faith, also, go find some terapist for the depresion and anxiety problems that you probably have, trut me, will worth a try buddy.
cope
@drygimangdrminjak8177 I literally said "hope" in my post, which would automatically make it "hopium" and not "copium." Uneducated, as always.
Bismillahirrahmanirrahim... Brother, your'e just elaborating how Christianity differ with Islam regarding the event of crucifixion.
If you want to "DESTROY" Islam with contradictions, then you should find the contradiction WITHIN Islam itself, not by pitting Islamic doctrines and Christianity doctrines and take the contradictions from it, duh... It's basic logic and I'm honestly concerned if you thought you've pulled a masterclass with your 5 minute video here
let me walk you through it
0:04 Both Quran AND scholars states that someone took his place on the cross also (Surah 4 : 157) which you also mention at 0:26
2:10 Yes, they were Moslems (submits themselves to the one God), but did they really say that it is indeed Jesus that was crucified?
2:25 You might think that they said it here, in the Bible that made the trinity a thing eventhough Jesus said there is only one God that should be worshipped, really? You want to "DESTROY" Islam by creating contradiction that's only citing from Christian doctrines? It's hard to find a contradiction that says Jesus is indeed crucified FROM an Quranic source isn't it?
2:59 Open-ended whys are not contradictions and could simply be answered by "It's God's will". Not satisfied? Okay here's an example, why did God bother create Satan knowing ahead of time Satan was going to rebel?
3:24 I honestly expecting a Quranic (or any Islamic scholar) citation that says Jesus really predict when he's going to die because you were mentioning the Quran's account at 3:39
4:03 No thank you brother, if you're going to only dive into the same source that made Jesus a god then you're just wasting everyone's time
5:36 Therefore brother, I need to remind you that no Quranic or any Islamic scholar said anything about Jesus making predictions about his own death, and not being able to find a single contradiction between a Quranic statement and another Quranic statment, either way you managed to "DESTROY" yourself within 5 minutes
Conclusion: your'e just elaborating how Christianity differ with Islam regarding the event of crucifixion and I sincerely hope since you researched so much about Islam, one day Allah will guide you to the Straight Path... Aamiin
Asalamualikum brother, I really enjoyed reading your response and if I have any more questions, may I ask you? I'm not trying to attack you, I just have some questions that I would like to ask as a Muslim as I also wish to further my Iman and you can possibly help me by clearing up some doubts.
@@chocobocobo677waalaikumsalam brother, I'm no scholar with just a grain of sand amount of knowledge, but Insya Allah with Allah's guidance I'd like to help a brother out, so ask away brother
@@Khaleedroam7 this Koran says Jesus was substituted. The Bible does not. That’s the thing to discuss, not some misunderstanding of yours on the doctrine of free will.
@@HooDatDonDar my main point is, this channel claims that it has a claim that could DESTROY Islam, interesting right?
then it proceeds with "trying" to claim that the Quran has it's contradiction within itself
I'm just simply making my point that this brother ain't doing that one bit, and pitting Islamic teaching vs Christianity teaching would certainly bring contradictions 🤣
therefore there's no point of further discussing this
Also on top of this if they don't believe in historical facts then you can prove that the "god" of Islam is a liar and decieved people into thinking it was Jesus, which is what Satan does. A perfect being won't ever lie
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
@@magaretprempeh5512 I sort of skimmed through this whole comment(I'm not bouta actually read and respond) and I'm pretty sure you never actually refuted the argument. You just said "issues" that you thought you found in the bible. Thats like if I said that "bananas are bad" and you argued "no they're not, because apples are bad!" Which makes no sense at all because you never actually refuted the claim.
Dude, he refuted the perfection of Jesus, because the apostles (if we presume they were authors of the gospels) contradict in some of their claims about him. And we know of him mostly due to the assumed apostles. Disclaimer: I am sceptic of both the Quran and the Bible, but I emphasize on the Bible because the Quran is obviously full with contradictions, so debating it is easy and boring.
So, there are 3 logical options I see:
1) Jesus lied to the apostles, gave different info to each of the authors, so he isn't perfect.
2) Or it could have been their own decision to lie about Jesus, which hypothetically leads to the variant that he might be perfect and not a liar, but then at least one of the 4 apostles, assumed authors of the gospels, is a liar.
3) Think about this - the oldest manuscripts of the gospels are anonymous works, but theologians claim that they are copies of what the apostles wrote. But who says that this is the case, theologians lack actual evidence to back their statement. So, these manuscripts might not even be copies of apostles' work, but forgery. Which leads to the 3rd variant: apostles and Jesus might haven't lied, but apostles' written work (if such existed) is lost and what we have is the fantasy of anonymous authors.
Christians also don't believe in facts, including when We say Yeshua never created the Christianity but came to reform Judaism.
"If your justice does not exceed the justice Pharisees and Scribes, you will not enter in the Reign of Heaven".
Christianity copied the Yovel (Jubilee), the immersion and called baptism, changed the times and feats like Dani'el prophesized, removed the fourth commandment and changed the second.
Do you know the shabat is represented by the letter Dalet (ד) which means door? The Shabat is the door for the commandments and the messianic era is considered the Shabat of the world.
But when I get people to speak these things, They reject the truth and keep with the same idea that Christians don't need to do anything, and will be saved and everyone will be condemned, which is for me such arrogance, considering Yeshua will only come for Israel and gentiles are just inserted into the Olive.
Preaching against commandments saying they're abolished while making people pay "tithe", a thing that is also inside the 613 commandments is Satanic.
But it is always easier to point to the other.
@@v_cartographer one of the proofs of the truth behind the confirmation of the Gospels' authors would be the fact that early Christians such as St Irenaeus and St Justin Martyr had undoubtedly believed that the Gospel of Mark is attributed to St Mark, the Gospel of Matthew is attributed to St Matthew, etc. These early Church Fathers didnt argue over the authors of the Gospels. And thus is only by the second century
Islam is just more successful Mormonism
Facts lol
I'm glad Joseph Smith wasn't more popular and didn't have a doctrine of Jihad.
@@TestifyApologetics look at the true meaning of jihad before claiming its all terrorist stuff
@@Faithexplorer4376 I did. It is supposed to be ‘struggle’ or ‘make an effort’ against evil and so on. That is Greater Jihad.
The variety of interpretations of Lesser Jihad, or just war, over 1400 years in many settings is a complex discussion.
Much of the contemporary misuse of the term “jihad” may be dated to the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, when stateless actors began to claim the right to declare jihad. In Islamic tradition, there is no theological or political basis for this claim. Radical and extremist groups appropriate and misuse the term “jihad” to give a religious veneer to their violent political movements and tactics.
However, if you point this out, they will kill you, and shout ‘jihad!’
Islam is as Moslems do.
From the way ur speaking I don’t think u even know what jihad means.
Hello there good sir. I'm a Muslim and I mean no bad intentions.
I saw this video and I would like to see the source of the phrase beginning at 0:58 . I'm not saying you're wrong or harbor any evil intent. I just would like to know the source. If you want, I could give you some of my socials so we can talk more about this, because I'm interested in this subject.
Thanks in advance.
Never heard of it too. Is this what they call deliberate misinformation?
@@fanres9974 Perhaps. I did some research of my own with a friend; we couldn't find that source anywhere.
I don't know the original quote but it states in Surah An-Nisa 4:157 something very similar about a replacement. I might be wrong since I haven't read the Quran in many years (as I'm Christian), however if it's a scholar using the Quran then I wouldn't be able to find it, but there's at least showing replacement theory. Hope that helps 🙏
@@jfk8745 Thanks for your response.
I read this verse long ago, but I'll post it here again, translated: "That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not."
As you can see, this is nothing like the text that he shows in the video for Ibn Abbas. That is the one I'm looking for.
Thanks again.
No offense but all throughout history Islam has always been a hateful religion what kind of righteous god tells you to kill people because they don’t believe in the same god I’m not even talking about the Quran I’m talking about when Islam was founded they went on a conquering genocide taking all of Arabia and Northern Africa from the Persians and byzantines Northern Africa from Christian’s and Spain form Christian’s even in more recent history letters from the Barbary states to the us government “ it so our duty to plunder and enslave those who are none belivers” maybe that’s not what it says exactly but I’m pretty darn close explain
Let me refute this video point by point
1.The Quran isn’t the first to mention the idea that Jesus wasn’t crucified. The first revelation of James and other groups such as the basilidians and caprocratians also believed Jesus wasn’t crucified but in fact someone took his place - way before Islam. So the argument that Islam comes up with a conspiracy theory 600 years later is simply false
You can call them heretical or not but the point is that historically, the idea that Jesus wasn’t crucified and someone else took his place definitely existed in early Christianity
2. Ibn Abbas was a companion of the prophet but he wasn’t the prophet - he can be right or wrong. There’s several opinions on what exactly happened to Jesus but none come from Allah or his messenger
The only thing that comes from Allah and his messenger is that Jesus did not die, it just appeared like that. So the argument that “why did the apostles believe he died” holds no weight
Moreover, if you want to use this argument of apostolic reaction then that would disprove the resurrection biblically. If Jesus was prophesied and expected to ride from the dead, why were the apostles so shocked and initially disbelieved in his resurrection?
3. I don’t understand the catch 22. Jesus predicted his death IN THE BIBLE. As you all already know, we believe (as well as virtually all NT scholars) that the bible has been corrupted and not preserved. So why would we take the bible as an authority as to whether Jesus predicted his death or not? Where in Islamic sources does Jesus predict his death on the cross?
The arguments to support the idea that Jesus predicting his death in the bible (e.g. different details in different gospels, making Peter look bad) are pretty weak arguments tbh. John may have intentionally elaborated on the temple prediction because it was unclear from the other gospels. Jesus calling Peter Satan could’ve been intentionally done to heavily rebuke anyone who dared to question Jesus’s death
Especially when compared to the enormous amount of evidence for addition, subtraction and straight up word for word copying from one gospel to another
1. Does that mean Muhammad did not get these revelations of Jesus from God but from an old heresy? That means that there is also a chance that every revelation Muhammad got, which is called the Quran, existed before, and what Muhammad did was preach them in Mecca and claim that these are revelations from God.
2. If the Apostles did not believe in the resurrection, why did they go around the world preaching this only to be killed for this?
3. If you claim the Bible is corrupted, then you are also required to provide pieces of evidence and also the reason why the bible was corrupted in the first place and who benefited from doing so.
@@exuberant6819
1. No I’m saying that the prophet ﷺ got revelations from God and that these revelations can also be confirmed historically. I mentioned the previous Christian writings primarily to refute this idea that the Quran came up with something new 600 years later
The fact that the Quran mentions this is an evidence for Islam and not against it. You say that he plagiarised from previous heretical writings. My question is where did he have access to these writings? The earliest examples of the OT or NT in Arabia are post-Islam. Virtually all secular historians such as Sydney Griffith, Stephen shoemaker, Bruce Metzger etc agree that there was no bible in Arabia until post Islam. Stephen Shoemaker goes even further and says that there weren’t any Arab Christians/Jews for the prophet ﷺ to take this information from
The only explanation is that this 7th century illiterate Arab shepherd who had no access to Christian/jewish beliefs received this information from God
2. Do you have evidence that the apostles suffered death and persecution to preach Jesus’s divinity and resurrection?
We don’t know what they preached because they didn’t leave anything behind. When Jesus orders them to preach the gospel - that could be many things. They were more
Likely preaching God’s monotheism than Jesus’s resurrection since Jesus preached more about God than his own divinity or resurrection
3.Yes there are many examples of forgeries in the bible. Take the end of mark and the resurrection story or 1 john 5:8 as examples. Neither are found in early manuscripts and in fact the verse in John isn’t found till the 14th century!
Why were they added in? Well Mark’s forgery promoted a resurrected Jesus and John’s forgery mentions the trinity. So clearly, Christians we’re trying to strengthen their claim that Jesus was resurrected and preached the trinity by inserting verses in the bible
@@omarmanutdThe fact that there was no bible around at the time probably explains why he got everything so wrong. Let me make a parallel argument.
The bahai claim that Mohammad preached that he was a manifestation of God. However they clearly know nothing about Muhammad, they can't even get basic information correct. However they respond by saying the Quran and all islamoc sources of information that disagree with them have been corrupted, and they have the real information.
2. Yes, we can prove that. First of all the apostles did leave behind writings. Second they had disciples who left writings. They left apostolic chains, which are the equivalent of your chains of narration. We have external non Christian sources about some of the apostles.
We have this creed, which we know dates to a year after Jesus resurrection.
"Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures, and that he appeared to Cephas, and then to the Twelve. After that, he appeared to more than five hundred of the brothers and sisters"
JazakAllah khair Omar
@@omarmanutd This Mohammed had access to other writings and literate people.
Your arguments are very like those Mormons use to prove that Joseph Smith had theBook of Mormon revealed to him, instead of just making it up.
Thanks for the references on the early heretics who said Jesus was substituted. So Mohammed was not an original liar.
I mean, you don't even need to go that far to ebunk Islam. How did Allah treat his prophet? He made endless cocessions and let him live promiscuously. How did God treat his prophets? He taught them humility and obedience and was very strict at that. One of those is more reasonable than the other.
@@r4_in_space Our prophet suffered too y'know. People threw stones, garbage, thorns, and even camel guts on him. He went to a city (Ta'if) to preach and the townsfolk stoned him to the point where his sandals were filled with blood and his clothes turned red.
@@Asphyx1atorYeah, but Allah made MULTIPLE exceptions. Muhammad is a self insert Mary Sue who got to have 11 wives, is more beloved than Isa in the eyes of Allah, was never kicked out of being a prophet after evil like the others, is the only one to be with Allah above the seven heavens, is the one to judge Muslims, he's such a uwu special boy for someone who was just as much of sinners as the rest of the prophets.
@@moosa86 I feel like you were talking to me, which if so, David still got rebuked, and Muhammad said you can only have 4 wives iirc
@@moosa86David repented of his sins. He also suffered consequences of being greedy with women and disobeying God, his own dearest son turned on him and was killed.
Also Solomons downfall was his many wives and concubines. Ever since God created Adam and Eve the plan has been ONE man ONE woman.
Since Abraham and Sarah introduced Hagar( a third wheel) there( and look at the mess with Jacobs 4 women and their children) there has been strife.g
@@moosa86So you think them competing over one man is a good thing. In the Bible it talks about Leah and Rachel completing over Jacob as a diss to polygamy. I mean Jacobs oldest son Rueben did sleep with Jacobs wife Bilhah in the process also.
Ok, lets assume Jesus didnt need to die for any purpose to be fullfilled and God could just take him up into heaven and everything would be fine. Then why on earth would God need to make someone else look like Jesus and get brutally yortured to death? If the crucifiction doesnt serve a purpose, why would anyone need to be crucified at all?
Well, i'm not muslim, but put a christian man to pay for the sins of humanity makes a LOOOOOT more sense than create a pure man that actually wants to die in that place since his birth
@@marcosgonzalez4207 what does that even mean?
@@marcosgonzalez4207 the reason it had to be jesus was for a few reasons. 1) no normal man can pay the burden of any other mans sins with his life because he already must pay the burden of his own. So, the one to die must be perfect and with no sins to pay for.
2) God must punish someone for our sins but does not want to punish us, and punishing any other innocent man instead would be unjust. So, God had to take our punishment on himself.
Hence, God dwelled among us in the person of Jesus Christ.
@@jacobhargiss3839do you hear yourself? God "punished himself" to forgive us? How that even remotely logical?
The people who wanted to kill Jesus deserve to be misguided he was to be their messiah who was to rule all of the earth but they rejected him so God took him and will bring back in the end times so that he can kill the Anti Christ the false Jewish messiah
There is no way there is a 5 minute video that simply destroys islam and people still dont know the truth
@@Aurea_1 There 5 minutes videos debunking literally everything, Judaism, Christianity, atheism, Round-Earth, aliens literally everything
Normally, I would make a long comment taking apart the video's arguments one at a time, but here I don't, because the video is riding off of 2 points laid down in the beginning of the video.
At 0:56 the video says there is a hadith told by Ibn Abbas, which tells a story about Jesus speaking with the disciples before getting crucified. All I can say is, that it is simply not true. I cannot find an authentic source that states this hadith. He also gives no citation or credit, so I cannot tell you whether it happened or not
The video proceeds to ride on the fact that the apostles were supposed to be Muslim, so their Bible interpretations should be taken as true. If they lied, Islam is wrong, and if they told the truth, Islam is wrong. But, no, because that point rides off the un-authentic hadith the video gave earlier. Without that hadith, the video is using the Bible to prove the Bible correct.
No one would willingly be tortured and killed for a lie yet all of the apostles except John did testify with their own lives that Jesus died on the cross and rose 3 days later. I can think of nothing more evil than calling Jesus a liar and having someone else take His place. That lie is from the pit of hell.
Can you show me in the Bible where all the disciples besides john were tortured and killed? If you can show verses on how Paul and these guys were tortured and killed, that would be really helpful.
Andrew
Bartholomew or Nathanael
James, the Lesser or Younger
Judas
Jude or Thaddeus
Matthew or Levi
Philip
Simon the Zealot
Thomas
@@davidmathews9633 I will not do your homework for you but I can direct you the 469 page dissertation by Sean McDowell a well respected associate professor of the Christian apologetics program at Talbot School of Theology University. There is also a wide variety of sources including secular historians, letters between church fathers, the Bible itself (you can start with John 21:18-19) etc.
Amen
How do I condense the proofs and still show you that Jesus(pbuh) didn't die on the cross, that's my dilemma. I'll give a go and we can always elaborate Insha'Allah. We have to start with some context.
Background
Jesus(pbuh) had started to gain quite a following due to the miracles he was performing. The ruling Jews at the time, the Pharisees were worried about their positions and as a result, Caiaphas the Chief Priest said the following:
John 11
[50] Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
[51] And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions.
Another thing to understand is that the Jews had a habit of challenging their Prophets(pbut), and we see this with the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) too, when the Jewess poisoned the food in order to see if the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was actually a Prophet. There are many Prophets(pbut) that were killed in the bible with Zakaria(pbuh), the father of John(pbuh) being case and point.
Likewise, they have in their books:
If a person is hung, it is a sign that he has been cursed by God according to the Bible.
Deuteronomy 21
[22] And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Notice that in order for one to be put on the cross or a tree, they are guilty of committing "a sin worthy of death". Think about that for a second in relation to Jesus(pbuh), because the next verse is extremely important in relation to how God views this person on the cross/tree.
[23] His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
The one that is guilty of a sin worthy of death, should be hung, and his hanging is a sign that he is accursed of God. So horrible is this person that one shouldn't waste time and they should bury them that same day so not to defile the land. Imagine, their dead body is such filth that thy pollute and dirty the land. That's how horrible that person is. What they wanted to do, is get rid of Jesus(pbuh) and if they were successful, in their eyes, he was not really a Prophet and therefore justified in their actions.
The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross.
Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die
Jesus(pbuh) knew what they were planning and as a result went into the country side. Keeping this in mind, Jesus(pbuh) gave the people his most greatest miracle, a sign of his validity as a Prophet.
Matthew 12
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
The scribes who were sent by the Pharisees to look for dirt on Jesus(pbuh) ultimately asked Jesus(pbuh) for a sign. Jesus(pbub) said take all other signs off the table, except this one, mother of all signs.
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well.
Who was really on the cross and what happened to Jesus(pbuh)?
Not many know this, but there were two Jesus's in Pontius Pilate's custody. Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) and Jesus Barabbas.
Matthew 27
[16] At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas
Pontius knew Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) was innocent as the Bible states:
[18] For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him.
None the less, the Pharisees had told the crowd to ask for Jesus Barabbas to be released. But which Jesus was released and which one was on the cross? The bible gives us hints. Remember the people there at the cross obviously thought they had crucified Jesus(pbuh), and therefore he looked like Jesus(pbuh). But take a look at what happens on the first day:
John 20
[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Mary went to the sepulcher looking for Jesus(pbuh) but couldn't find him. But look at the verse above. She saw Jesus(pbuh) but didn't know it was him. If anyone could pick Jesus(pbuh) out of a crowd, it was his disciples and close companions, yet she couldn't recognize him. He even spoke to her and she couldn't recognize it was him until he mentioned her name. Further proof that Jesus(pbuh)'s face had changed is provided on the road to Emmaus.
Luke 24
[15] And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Jesus(pbuh) approached his two disciples, but look at what the Bible says:
[16] But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
They didn't recognize him because his face was changed. They walked and talked with Jesus(pbuh) and the whole time they didn't know it was him until they sat down to eat. Just by observing his way of eating, they knew it was him.
[30] And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
[31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where.
You have to die to be resurrected
Now onto the fact Jesus(pbuh) according to himself, never died, therefore was never resurrected. Look at what Paul says:
1 Corinthians 15
[13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
Here Paul is establishing that according to his belief, Jesus(pbuh) was resurrected. This is the belief of majority of Christians.
[14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
If Jesus(pbuh) never died and therefore never resurrected, Christianity as we know it today is false. He further says this:
[17] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Now lets look at the characteristics of a resurrected body given by Paul.
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
We live having a natural body, but when we are resurrected, we have a spirit body. This makes sense considering if someone is beheaded, they are not raised with their head separate from their body. They are raised whole, considering their spirit was not beheaded. Now lets look at Jesus(pbuh) own statements about whether he had a natural body or a spirit body after the crucifiction incident.
Jesus(pbuh) proving he was not resurrected, therefore he didn't die
Luke 24
[36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[37] But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
When Jesus(pbuh) visited them, they having heard the incidents of the crucification and now actually witnessed it, thought Jesus(pbuh) had died. Hence when they saw him, they thought he was a spirit. But look at what Jesus(pbuh) says to them:
[39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus(pbuh) still had a natural body, which can only happen if he never died. He further proved it by eating:
[42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
[43] And he took it, and did eat before them.
Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. Further proving that Jesus(pbuh) never died, and therefore was never resurrected. Jesus(pbuh) was not on the cross, considering he didn't look like himself and the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh). Then we see here, that if you are resurrected, you won't have a natural human body, you'll have a spirit body, therefore would not eat food. Jesus(pbuh) proved to the disciples that he had a natural human body, which means he was telling them that the never died, therefore had never resurrected.
Again, the proof is all there, the problem is no one really reads what is being said.
@@user404notfound3 Jesus died on the cross. The end.
At this point the only way for Muslims to reliably prove their claims that the disciples teaching were corrupted, would be to present historical evidence of a different gospel at the time of the early church. But what do you know? No such evidence exists. The shady one is the religion that starts up 600 years later claiming contradictory stuff.
Very true. Five hundred (and then some) years worth of people DYING believing in the "wrong faith". Jesus is God.
Muhammad was friggin' Joseph Smith in a turban! 😂
Firstly, why do you trust the Bible to tell you the story of Adam and Eve, who lived thousands of years before it's writing? Secondly, as you'd agree, God can choose to reveal information whenever he pleases, and information from God will always be more accurate, rather than eye-witnesses.
@@osmanli-li Reply to my first comment.
@@osmanli-li And how do you know that it is from God?
How do I condense the proofs and still show you that Jesus(pbuh) didn't die on the cross, that's my dilemma. I'll give a go and we can always elaborate Insha'Allah. We have to start with some context.
Background
Jesus(pbuh) had started to gain quite a following due to the miracles he was performing. The ruling Jews at the time, the Pharisees were worried about their positions and as a result, Caiaphas the Chief Priest said the following:
John 11
[50] Nor consider that it is expedient for us, that one man should die for the people, and that the whole nation perish not.
[51] And this spake he not of himself: but being high priest that year, he prophesied that Jesus should die for that nation;
It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions.
Another thing to understand is that the Jews had a habit of challenging their Prophets(pbut), and we see this with the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) too, when the Jewess poisoned the food in order to see if the Prophet Muhammad(pbuh) was actually a Prophet. There are many Prophets(pbut) that were killed in the bible with Zakaria(pbuh), the father of John(pbuh) being case and point.
Likewise, they have in their books:
If a person is hung, it is a sign that he has been cursed by God according to the Bible.
Deuteronomy 21
[22] And if a man have committed a sin worthy of death, and he be to be put to death, and thou hang him on a tree:
Notice that in order for one to be put on the cross or a tree, they are guilty of committing "a sin worthy of death". Think about that for a second in relation to Jesus(pbuh), because the next verse is extremely important in relation to how God views this person on the cross/tree.
[23] His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged is accursed of God;) that thy land be not defiled, which the Lord thy God giveth thee for an inheritance.
The one that is guilty of a sin worthy of death, should be hung, and his hanging is a sign that he is accursed of God. So horrible is this person that one shouldn't waste time and they should bury them that same day so not to defile the land. Imagine, their dead body is such filth that thy pollute and dirty the land. That's how horrible that person is. What they wanted to do, is get rid of Jesus(pbuh) and if they were successful, in their eyes, he was not really a Prophet and therefore justified in their actions.
The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross.
Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die
Jesus(pbuh) knew what they were planning and as a result went into the country side. Keeping this in mind, Jesus(pbuh) gave the people his most greatest miracle, a sign of his validity as a Prophet.
Matthew 12
[39] But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:
The scribes who were sent by the Pharisees to look for dirt on Jesus(pbuh) ultimately asked Jesus(pbuh) for a sign. Jesus(pbub) said take all other signs off the table, except this one, mother of all signs.
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well.
Who was really on the cross and what happened to Jesus(pbuh)?
Not many know this, but there were two Jesus's in Pontius Pilate's custody. Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) and Jesus Barabbas.
Matthew 27
[16] At that time they had a well-known prisoner whose name was Jesus[b] Barabbas
Pontius knew Jesus(pbuh) son of Mary(pbuh) was innocent as the Bible states:
[18] For he knew it was out of self-interest that they had handed Jesus over to him.
None the less, the Pharisees had told the crowd to ask for Jesus Barabbas to be released. But which Jesus was released and which one was on the cross? The bible gives us hints. Remember the people there at the cross obviously thought they had crucified Jesus(pbuh), and therefore he looked like Jesus(pbuh). But take a look at what happens on the first day:
John 20
[14] And when she had thus said, she turned herself back, and saw Jesus standing, and knew not that it was Jesus.
Mary went to the sepulcher looking for Jesus(pbuh) but couldn't find him. But look at the verse above. She saw Jesus(pbuh) but didn't know it was him. If anyone could pick Jesus(pbuh) out of a crowd, it was his disciples and close companions, yet she couldn't recognize him. He even spoke to her and she couldn't recognize it was him until he mentioned her name. Further proof that Jesus(pbuh)'s face had changed is provided on the road to Emmaus.
Luke 24
[15] And it came to pass, that, while they communed together and reasoned, Jesus himself drew near, and went with them.
Jesus(pbuh) approached his two disciples, but look at what the Bible says:
[16] But their eyes were holden that they should not know him.
They didn't recognize him because his face was changed. They walked and talked with Jesus(pbuh) and the whole time they didn't know it was him until they sat down to eat. Just by observing his way of eating, they knew it was him.
[30] And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.
[31] And their eyes were opened, and they knew him; and he vanished out of their sight.
If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where.
You have to die to be resurrected
Now onto the fact Jesus(pbuh) according to himself, never died, therefore was never resurrected. Look at what Paul says:
1 Corinthians 15
[13] But if there be no resurrection of the dead, then is Christ not risen:
Here Paul is establishing that according to his belief, Jesus(pbuh) was resurrected. This is the belief of majority of Christians.
[14] And if Christ be not risen, then is our preaching vain, and your faith is also vain.
If Jesus(pbuh) never died and therefore never resurrected, Christianity as we know it today is false. He further says this:
[17] And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins.
Now lets look at the characteristics of a resurrected body given by Paul.
[42] So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown in corruption; it is raised in incorruption:
[43] It is sown in dishonour; it is raised in glory: it is sown in weakness; it is raised in power:
[44] It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body.
We live having a natural body, but when we are resurrected, we have a spirit body. This makes sense considering if someone is beheaded, they are not raised with their head separate from their body. They are raised whole, considering their spirit was not beheaded. Now lets look at Jesus(pbuh) own statements about whether he had a natural body or a spirit body after the crucifiction incident.
Jesus(pbuh) proving he was not resurrected, therefore he didn't die
Luke 24
[36] And as they thus spake, Jesus himself stood in the midst of them, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.
[37] But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
When Jesus(pbuh) visited them, they having heard the incidents of the crucification and now actually witnessed it, thought Jesus(pbuh) had died. Hence when they saw him, they thought he was a spirit. But look at what Jesus(pbuh) says to them:
[39] Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
Jesus(pbuh) still had a natural body, which can only happen if he never died. He further proved it by eating:
[42] And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb.
[43] And he took it, and did eat before them.
Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. Further proving that Jesus(pbuh) never died, and therefore was never resurrected. Jesus(pbuh) was not on the cross, considering he didn't look like himself and the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh). Then we see here, that if you are resurrected, you won't have a natural human body, you'll have a spirit body, therefore would not eat food. Jesus(pbuh) proved to the disciples that he had a natural human body, which means he was telling them that the never died, therefore had never resurrected.
Again, the proof is all there, the problem is no one really reads what is being said.
What a detailed answer
you are absolutely true!
ayo that actually makes sense what
This is pretty much all wrong.
"It was not God that said Jesus(pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions." Yes, God also said that he should die in the bible, plenty of times. I can show you them if you want.
"The Prophets(pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus(pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross."
That is not how Prohpets work, plenty of them were shamed and cursed.
"Jesus(pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die" No he said the exact opposite lol
" For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
Jonas(pbuh) through out his ordeal was alive and never died. In the sea, alive, in the whales belly, alive, regurgitated onto the beach, alive. Just as Jonas(pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus(pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died. Remember, if Jesus(pbuh) ever died, he fails his own test. This sign wasn't hidden considering he openly told the scribes, which means his disciples knew of this as well."
Being in the heart of the earth literally means to die, and if you read Jonah it also says he died
"I called out to the Lord, out of my distress,
and he answered me;
out of the belly of *Sheol* I cried,
and you heard my voice."
Sheol is the land of the dead.
"If the person on the cross looked like Jesus(pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross through it was Jesus(pbuh), Yet Jesus(pbuh) didn't look like Jesus(pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus(pbuh) on the cross. Which means someone else who looked like Jesus(pbuh) was on the cross, where as the real Jesus(pbuh) who didn't look like himself was else where."
You are forgetting the part where Jesus tells them about how he died and he shows them the scares from the crucifixion. The bible says they didn't recognized him because he was mared beyond recongizability.
"Because a body that is resurrected, a spirit body does not need food, it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food. " A spirtual body does still eat food, that is stated frequently in the bible.
@@briandiehl9257
Caiaphas' Statement vs. God's Will
Claim: "It was not God that said Jesus (pbuh) should die in the Bible, it's actually Caiaphas, so that they could keep their high positions."
Counter: While Caiaphas did state that it was expedient for one man to die for the people (John 11:50-51), the New Testament consistently portrays Jesus’ death as part of God’s divine plan. Jesus himself spoke of his death and resurrection multiple times. For example, Jesus said, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life" (Luke 9:22).
Prophets and Shame
Claim: "The Prophets (pbut) were honorable people who were sent by God the Almighty and therefore would never be cursed, or shamed in front of people in the way these Jews wanted to do with Jesus (pbuh) while he was alive. Therefore he could never have been on the cross."
Counter: Many prophets in the Bible faced shame and persecution. For example, Jeremiah was mocked and imprisoned (Jeremiah 20:7-8), and Zechariah was stoned to death (2 Chronicles 24:20-21). The suffering of Jesus (pbuh) was part of his role as the suffering servant prophesied in Isaiah 53, which includes the statement, "He was despised and rejected by mankind, a man of suffering, and familiar with pain" (Isaiah 53:3).
Jesus' Prophecy of His Death
Claim: "Jesus (pbuh) Prophesied that he wouldn't die."
Counter: Jesus explicitly predicted his death several times in the Gospels. For instance, in Mark 8:31, Jesus says, "The Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again."
The Sign of Jonah
Claim: "Jonah (pbuh) throughout his ordeal was alive and never died. Just as Jonah (pbuh) was alive the entire time, Jesus (pbuh) will also be alive when people will think he had died."
Counter: The comparison to Jonah (pbuh) is about the duration of time spent in a place of death and darkness. Jesus’ statement in Matthew 12:40 is understood as a prophecy of his death and resurrection. The reference to "the heart of the earth" symbolizes being buried, and Jesus being dead before rising. Jonah’s prayer from the belly of the fish (Jonah 2:2) mentions "Sheol," a term for the realm of the dead, indicating a metaphorical death.
Recognition of Jesus Post-Resurrection
Claim: "If the person on the cross looked like Jesus (pbuh) to the extent, the Pharisees and everyone around the cross thought it was Jesus (pbuh), yet Jesus (pbuh) didn't look like Jesus (pbuh), it couldn't have been Jesus (pbuh) on the cross."
Counter: The Gospel accounts state that Jesus’ disciples didn’t recognize him post-resurrection due to a change in his appearance (e.g., Luke 24:16). However, this does not imply a complete unrecognizability but a glorified form that could be revealed. Jesus showed his crucifixion scars to his disciples to prove his identity (John 20:27).
Nature of Resurrected Bodies
Claim: "A spiritual body does not need food; it is only a natural body of this earth that needs food."
Counter: The Bible presents the resurrected Jesus eating food to demonstrate he was not merely a spirit. Luke 24:39-43 shows Jesus eating in front of his disciples to prove his bodily resurrection. A resurrected body in Christian theology is a transformed, glorified body, not merely a spirit but a physical body that transcends normal human limitations.
The counterarguments provided demonstrate that the New Testament portrays Jesus’ death and resurrection as part of God’s divine plan, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies and Jesus’ own predictions. The recognition issues post-resurrection highlight a change in appearance, not a different person, and the nature of resurrected bodies includes both physical and spiritual elements according to biblical texts.
The amount of people that doesn't respect eachother religions is crazy😮
Ikr like why are we doing this
12 disciples knew Jesus
Mohammed never knew Jesus
who's more reliable?
apostles*
@@misuni9105 it's interchangable
@@imlimpoism9260 oh is it? ty i never knew
@@imlimpoism9260 By that logic neither. Knowing someone doesn't mean you will report the truth and also doesn't mean your report won't be changed later on. So neither.
@@abde4645 wdym are you stupid on purpose or?
They got a Quranic Dilemma too... their holy book confirms ours, in which our condemns theirs.
Are you not using evidence provided by THE BIBLE to prove something thats false in ISLAM? Sure you used a few things but you can't back it up with something that isn't used in the practice
The Bible is supposed to be a book about History. He even proved at the end how these accounts are strengthened by small changed in each account. There isn't any other documented proof we could use except Biblical scriptures for what happened so what are we supposed to do? Ignore everything?
The Bible whether you think it's a book of History or not, is still a Book (what I am about to say is dumbed this down alot) For Christ Belief, Using it to disprove a Religion that in away is it's opposite is obviously going to lead to "Making the Religion Fall Apart" since its literally going to have things that say against the foundations of the Religion
The Bible maybe the testimony of god but it is the testimony of god recorded by man
It is not infallible
“erm actually the quran is wrong because it disagrees with the bible🤓👆” the BIBLE disagrees more with the BIBLE
Examples please.
Bismillah
Video (3:57) Debunked in one verse, Quran 19:33.
Jesus (AS) did say that he will die. Therefore
Video (5:45) there is no catch 22.
So did Jesus (AS) die? Not yet. Let me explain it in the simplest of terms.
1. Isa [Jesus] (AS) was neither killed nor crusifies he ascended to the heavens.
2. Close to the day of judgment, he will comeback, defeats Masih-AdDajjal (Anti-Christ) and guide the righteous muslims. He will break the cross and kill the pigs.
3. Then he will die, because he is human, a messenger and a slave of Allah. Muslims will bury him and do the Prayer for the dead. Finally, on the day of resurrection, he will be resurrected like everyone else.
If u need quranic and authentic hadith references for these points, lmk. But it shouldn't be hard to find.🙂
Your ignoring his points. He argues that the christan account has clear precedent of happening while the muslim account dose not corroborate those prececdents. And the cartch 22 was that muslims claim jesus was not crucified while it is clear he was from the account of his disciples. You did nothing to prove the quarn right besides claim the quarn is right. I really dont mean to try and convert you but you are not making a good counterpoint to the argument.
@@razeenrahman3641 your are completly missunderstanding his argument. Or maby you dont understand exactly what he is talking about. Do you belive jesus died and was resurrected 2024 years ago or not.
You are tying to prove something said in the Quran by using stories from the Bible.
Both Islam and Christianism have opposite views concerning the death of Jesus/Issa. It’s so dumb to use one of the books to deny the other, because they will obviously say the opposite.
In the Quran it never says that Jesus predicted his own death. It is clearly said that he would ascend to heaven waiting for the end of the world, and that it would seem like he was crucified. You can’t just say that in the Bible it says that Jesus said he would die and use it as an argument to try to prove the Quran wrong.
If you want to find ambiguities in the Quran, you can only use what was said in the Quran and by the prophet Muhammad. It’s the same thing as a Muslim saying “the Bible doesn’t talk about prophet Muhammad whereas the Quran does, therefore the Bible is false”.
This video doesn’t prove anything, your arguments are poor, and it is only made in a failed attempt to mislead people. May God guide us all.
PS : it would be good not to like hateful comments.
The quran doesn't align with historical facts it the point. The bible is the earliest historical account of Jesus's life and teachings
cope
You have some point but there is literally evidence in form of shroud of turin. Even if we assume that this man in the shroud is not Jesus, its still someone. Even now after 2000 years science says that it would be impossible to fake shroud like that and it is indeed a shroud of scarred man crucified. So either jesus indeed died on that cross or someone did it for him. Howeveri am sure that noone died as him since they easily would tell that it wasn't jesus simply by his apperance and voice ( and wouldn't it be really awful to send a friend to die for you even assuming jesus was a prophet?)
Dumb lol so looking for the truth is what u guys called dumb how sad, but fr though the role model of man kind Muhammad?? Married a 6 yrs and grape at the age of 9?? Compared to Jesus (which is Sinless) won't include his Divinity cus u guys denied it either way😂
Do not speak on what you don’t know. Is it not arrogant to believe that the eyes of humans can fully comprehend what God’s plan is? Also your evidence is a single Hadith(with kind of a questionable chain of narration) and a lot of hypothetical questions which I can use to break down Christianity. One, for example, is why would Jesus(as), on the off chance he is God, go through that pain on his own for others despite its injustice? An all powerful God is capable of forgiveness and punishment without needing to pay a price. That’s why it also doesn’t make sense to assume that an injustice as great as this was perpetrated against Jesus as an apostle in Islamic belief which in its own way, supports the idea that it wasn’t Jesus(as) who was crucified. I mean no disrespect when I say this but I think that your argument doesn’t bring enough strong evidence to prove your point. The other fallacy lies in the credibility of the Bible itself and its preservation which is a different concept entirely. I encourage all of you to do your own searches and read the Quran yourself through an untainted eye rather than through videos such as this even though I applaud this as a starting point for many. I don’t mean any disrespect through this comment but rather I wish to engage in discussion. In the same way there is much you can learn from me, there is much I too can learn from you guys.
why did Muhammed marry a 9 year old girl?
To any Muslims in the comments, repent, believe in the Gospels, and be baptized
NGL, that sounds kinda arrogant.
Just repent and believe in the Gospel. That's it, water baptism does not save you. The baptism of the Holy Spirit does tho.❤✝️
@@axxel9626 Although I partially disagree, I still love you brother ☦❤🔥
@@Tomakia8big facts
@@axxel9626 There's a sacramental union between the baptism of the Holy Spirit and the baptism with water. To separate the two is sacramental nestorianism.
Sad that Muslims don't believe in the prophets who wrote about the Messiah dying for our sins in the OT.
This is amazing to me. Hearing grown men and women argue about religion reminds me of Stand By Me when they're arguing over who would win in a fight Superman or Mighty Mouse. It's a stupid argument because they're both fiction. The same is true of religions.
What's your purpose in life, oh enlightened redditor?
man if we could only reach his level of intelligence and not by some phony god's blessing, we could be euphoric
@@dainfant5101not to be a slave to a fake god
No it's a lot bigger and more important than that... Christian and Islam has been at odds with one another and if u guys actually support Islam aha you guys would have alot more hard time especially if u seen that the immigration from Islam to england... And other part of the world they also follow Muhammad who they think is the role model of mankind yet the same role model married a 6 yrs and have s## with her at the age of 9 and what worse is people depend this and other countries support child mirage..there more to it
You could literally say any historical event didn't happen using Islamic logic, lol.
You see, Abraham Lincoln didn't actually die. He was just made to appear so by god because he was a very devout Muslim.
Man, I love stupid logic
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.) no prof yeetus existed
@@magaretprempeh5512 At least respond to comments!
@@magaretprempeh5512 so you believe a guy that was born centuries after the events and in his own "holy" book preaches death against non believers and had multiple sex slaves? Ok bud
"You see, Joseph Stalin never died, he was a very devout Muslim and appeared to be dead by Allah." Muslims are crazy dude.
More great work, thanks for having the courage to make videos going at Islam because the truth is they go at us all the time and while the goal isn’t to argue, we do need to make the counter arguments known…
Side note, I recently stumbled upon a skeptic who basically says Matthew/Mark, Luke, and John all goof in contradicting themselves on Jesus’ anointing - in John it’s at Lazarus’ house before the triumphal entry, in Matthew/Mark it’s after the entry, in the house of Simon the leper, and in Luke it takes place at the house of Simon the Pharisee way earlier in Jesus’ ministry. This is the type of thing that they love since it seems to show that this is all coming from an unstable oral tradition. I’d love to see a video explaining the differences and why they aren’t necessarily contradictions
0:58 i need real proof from the quran, not in google because i've never heard of this.
If it was not Jesus who was crucified and raised again, why all of the apostles be faithful until the end and willing to die as martyrs. Are they willing to die for something untrue?
Exactly. You’re correct
You would surprise how many Islams +others went out over something untrue
Yknow Jesus could walk on water, resurrect the dead, and casually dispensed bread and wine
He was upright in this regard cause god is truth. Jesus can’t in anyway mislead anyone in anything
The Islams did not have Jesus to show them the truth, sadly
until 2:10 it was okay but then you started yapping
1st how do you know that the disciples are the ones who wrote the gospels when most if not all of scholars say they weren't
2nd because God willed for him that he be saved until the end of times and i can ask the same question "why God became a human to save us from his self although he could forgive without it ?"
3rd and how was he "wrong about his death" ?
and your 4th point doesn't explain if it really happened or not but you take it as the words of Jesus when the NT came 300 (that's according to manus but you can say the earliest gospel and is mark was created in 70 AD)
Every biblical scholar agrees that the gospels were written by the disciples. The disagreement is on the specific disciple which wrote each one
If god forgave us without punishment being taken, then he would be unjust. There can not be a bad deed without a just punishment
1. Because of the unbroken chain of testimony of the early church. Matthew and John were disciples. Polycarp quotes both John's writings and Matthew's Gospel, and was a disciple of John according to Irenaeus. Irenaeus names all four Gospels with the traditional titles and was a student of Polycarp. That's not to mention they are also independently mentioned to be authored by the traditional writers by Clement of Alexandria, the Muratorian Fragment, Origen, and Tertullian. There's also no rival tradition in any of the manuscripts. You guys use the same methods, so don't now run to the skeptics.
2. This is just begging the question for Islam.
3. He wasn't, that's the point, he's not a false prophet.
4. There's independent evidence from undesigned coincidences or external confirmations that make it unlikely that these texts were heavily tampered with between 70 and 300. See my playlist history backs the bible and undesigned coincidences.
@@TestifyApologetics 1 look i am still don't have a lot of knowledge in the early history of the church so i wouldn't argue with you here but from what i know that scholars say they weren't the disciples so....i will hold my point also can you give me manus of the "Gospels" those fathers are quoting from so we can say it's the same we have today ?
2 i told God willed it so answer my question now
3 bruh you said he doesn't know his death
@@richardkeck4918 well the mainstream scholars like Bart ehrman disagree with you
That's why Zakir Naik never teach the substitution theory.
what is that
@@j.bernardsaipoh8111 sorry?
@@apel.ogetika the substitution thing. What is that?
@@j.bernardsaipoh8111 some muslim think it was not Jesus on the cross. It was allah who substitute Jesus to someone else.
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As a Muslim I must say these arguments are rather weak but very well put together in the video, so it seems good and strong. I'll try to keep this precise. Yes, we believe that Jesus was not killed nor crucified but raised up to heaven. In what way that happened we don't know, and since we don't know we can't subscribe to any of the theories as being 100% factual. All we can say with certianity is that God made it appear to the people at the time that he was crucified. If the disciples believed this then it's not problem, they will still go to heaven because they only believed what they saw. Infact, if anyone believed in the crucifiction right until the next revelation - the Quraan - they would have no problems in believing that since it was not yet revealed that Jesus was not actually crucified.
Now, on this topic about beliefs, according to the Christian beleif of the trinity today, every single disciple, and nearly all church fathers for the first 300 or so years of Christianity are all heretics and are doomed to hell because they did not believe in the trinity as it is today.
Now as for this arguments about ''If jesus didn't die he was wrong about his predictions and if he did then the Quraan is false''. What kind of reasoning is this ? And yes, muslims will say that we don’t believe Jesus proficied his crucifixion, and that the bible is corrupt. You can't simply say ''nuh uh''. It's a known fact within all Christian Denominations and according to all knowledgeable Christians that the old and new testaments had massive changes and rewrites. Just look at the discrepancies between the King James version (which is the arguably a favourite among Christians) and the Revised Standard Version (which is certainly more fact checked and more 'correct'). There is a lot more to say so I'm open to replies and polite dialogue.
"The old and new testament when through massive changes" No, thw new testament is called thw best preserved collection of ancient text in the ancient world, and is considered 99% identical to what it originally said. The revised version you mentioned is a revised translation, it is translated from the same greek
I have an honest question. According to Islam, why was a virgin birth needed for Jesus? What is the point if the Muhammad is going to come after Jesus and be more praised?
Just because they didn't call it the Trinity at that time didn't mean the concept wasn't there...Jesus was almost stoned for saying he is God (referencing "I am") rather than being the Messiah as other "Messiahs" didn't get killed for just saying they're the Messiah and Jesus always prays to the Father in heaven at the same time so both God in heaven and Jesus on Earth can be true at the same time.
EDIT: Also the Koran has been translated to different languages so I'm not sure how those translations are valid and yet Bible translations cannot be valid.
@briandiehl9257 no knowledgeable Christian would disagree that the Bible went through changes over the course of the years. Now for arguments sake let's agree that 99% of the Bible has been preserved. That may sound quite astounding but its much more of a problem than you think. Imagine if 1% of your DNA disappeared or mutated. You would straight up die or become deformed. Imagine of 1% of the world population got together and made an army, that would be quite a huge army. My point is that while 1% may not sound like a lot, when dealing with such large scales it can become substantial. The Bible is a huge and long collection of books with thousands of chapters and hundreds of thousands of words. 1% of that is still thousands of words that are missing or altered. What if some of those words change the message entirely. Now on the topic of the revised standard version, yes it is a revised version but what was the need to revise the Bible if it had been so perfectly preserved ? You could argue that it was just to get a more modern translation or something of the sort, but then why is it that very important parts of the Bible that are present in the King James version are no where to be seen in the revised standard version. The story of the adultress woman cannot be found ? The main and most important verse regarding the trinity ''There are three that bear record in heaven...'' is not there.
@83cookey I don't fully understand what you mean by the question. Are you implying that because Jesus was miraculously born that somehow means that no prophet can come after him ? Or did you mean that Jesus being born of a virgin sets him apart as proof that he is not born of man and therefore God, thereby proving Christianity to be correct ? If it is the first then I would say, many prophets and messangers performed miracles in their times, did that somehow mean that they were special and no other would come after ? No of course not. If you meant the second thing, then to that I would say, what does Jesus being born of a virgin have to do with Muhammed not being a prophet. Jesus being born of a virgin is a sign of God's power not Jesus'. If Jesus being born without male intervention makes him special then there are also others from the past who deserve the same rank, such as when God gave Old barren women the ability to mother children. And what about Adam the first man ? he was born from nothing, no male and no female, does that make him even more special than Jesus ? Muslims believe that Jesus was born of the virgin Mary because that is what we were told by God in the Quraan. Simple as that.
If you still want to believe that Jesus is somehow 'god' because the Bible addresses him as ''son of god'', then you have to call many others sons of God because the Bible addresses many others as sons of God as well. I hope that answers your question. I'm sorry I wasn't quite sure of what you really meant. The birth of Prophet Muhammed peace be upon him also coincided with some miraculous events if you want to look that up as proof that he is special.
Wow, the Gospel Reliability arguments are super effective when applied to a worldview which already accepts much of scripture as being genuine.
Agreed.
edit: nvmd lol... I stand corrected abt the 1st part.
(Its not a Gospel Reliability argument. This is a video about the unreliability of the Q'ran.)
@@infernovoltage3378it's a little of both actually, but more of Islam being false
@@TestifyApologetics Those two very specific applications of examples of undesigned coincidences and embarassment criterion for this argument is very succinct and compelling.
@@TestifyApologeticsto critisise quran you went for ibn abass, which never recivred revelation, he spoke of him self.
On the contrary allah said he made it appear as if they crucified him, so even to the deciples it would appear so... you proved nothing
That story about how Jesus wanted a disciple to volunteer for taking his place on the cross is proof of how utilitarian islamic thought is. It doesn't inspire faith like at all
I hate religious stories where the moral is "just trust religio blindly bro".
Even as a kid the idea of loving some prophets more than my own family sounded so fucked up.
Give a lesson and meaning behind it atleast lol.
Jesus also said He is the good shepherd who lays down His life, not “Im the great deceived who asks by buddy to die instead of me”
This video is a perfect example of Christian deception. He Cherry picked Ibn Abbas (who is in no way divinely inspired) and his interpretation of the verse to prove a sloppy point (which I have responded to in the pinned message).
Secondly, you can't claim "Islam doesn't inspire faith" from an interpretation of a scholar. Look to our noble Qur'an, see how it inspires faith.
@@osmanli-li If I was an atheist and read some of the stuff in the Quran to acquire faith I would believe even less 😂 Not to mention "prophet" Muhammad was not the best exemplary man or even person to live your life by considering the stuff that he did like, you know; own slaves, tell men they could marry more than one woman, tell his believers to conquer and subjugate non believers (by force), and he married an underage girl....😬Yeah man... You can keep Muhammad, My example to live by is and will always be Jesus Christ.
Very true, Islam is a religion where you have to send your son to die for "the Lord". Whereas reality is in fact the loving God sent his Son to die for me.
as a Muslim Jesus never prophecies that, i do believe that the gospel is edited(corrupted), exactly as you say in the video
but the evidence you bring to prove that jesus did prophecies that he will come back to life after 3 days are from the bible which makes me think that Christians can get very delusional when it comes to islam for some reason.
i do believe that jesus was not crucified which was stated in the Quran: And their saying, “Indeed, We killed the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary, the Messenger of God.” But they did not kill him, nor did they crucify him, but it was made to appear to them, and those who differ concerning it are in doubt about it They have no knowledge of it except to follow suspicion, and they did not kill him with certainty. (An-Nisa: 157)
if you're a christian then of course you don't believe in the Quran but saying that this video proves that islam is false isn't nearly close, i believe that Jesus wasn't crucified and jesus(isa pbuh) didn't claim to come back to life.
Mohammad only took this belief from later Christian heresies that were escaping prosecution into Arabia. The quran isn't a good historical account of something that happened 600 years before that, especially since whatever is in the quran comes from the bible and added bits of momos own culture during his lifetime like Haj(originally pagan)((still kinda is))
why did muhammed marry a 9 year old girl?
when false premises pile up, your argument works.
your catch 22 is circular reasoning, you are trying to prove Islam is false by assuming that your own scripture is right, no where in the Quran does Jesus/Isa say that he is going to die (unless you refer to him coming back the second time), hence this catch 22 does not work on Muslims.
You have assumed that the gospels were written and preserved by the apostles, well The oldest known manuscript of the New Testament is P52, also known as the John Rylands Fragment. This small papyrus fragment contains a few verses from the Gospel of John (John 18:31-33, 37-38) and is dated to the first half of the second century, around 125-150 CE.
Matthew 27:28: “They stripped him and put a scarlet robe on him.”
Mark 15:17: “They put a purple robe on him, then twisted together a crown of thorns and set it on him.”
John 19:2: “The soldiers twisted together a crown of thorns and put it on his head. They clothed him in a purple robe.”
which one is right.
John 19:17: “Carrying his own cross, he went out to the place of the Skull (which in Aramaic is called Golgotha).”
Matthew 27:32: “As they were going out, they met a man from Cyrene, named Simon, and they forced him to carry the cross.”
Mark 15:21: “A certain man from Cyrene, Simon, the father of Alexander and Rufus, was passing by on his way in from the country, and they forced him to carry the cross.”
Luke 23:26: “As the soldiers led him away, they seized Simon from Cyrene, who was on his way in from the country, and put the cross on him and made him carry it behind Jesus.”
again which is right
Paul says that the law does not matter and it is faith that is enough (Romans 10:9-10, Romans 3:28, Ephesians 2:8-10), James the brother of Jesus on the contrary said that faith without actions is dead (James 2:17-18, James 2:26).
again which is right.
this is "The Contradiction dilemma that DESTROYES Christianity"
God bless you Akhi
whataboutism, the only thing that is circular is islam
How does that destroy Christianity?
If allah is true and the biblr is false why did he wait 570 years to send Mohammed and if jesus was a prophet of alah why djd he bring so much confusion why would he use s replacement surely alah could of protected him right?
Muslim will just answer that during that period everyone is going to jannah
@@tymon1928are you muslim
@@Indirectdrake81 no bro, Christian but this is how they normally answer (I think)
@@tymon1928 oh ok nvm than
Sure, all apostles suffered horrible deaths, in the name o Jesus, only to support what they knew was a lie. 😂
They all decided to do what was essentially the biggest act of trolling in history that caused the birth of the largest religion in the world.
Indeed, it is not the eyes that are blind, but it is the hearts in the chests that grow blind.✌
I'm a Christian, but I have heard Baha'is, who are similar to Muslims in many ways, in that they accept the Quran as divinely revealed and Muhammad as a prophet, as well as some Muslims, state that the Quran is not being literal when it says that Christ was not crucified; they argue that it is essentially saying that Jesus was literally killed, but that He is nonetheless alive, and they cite this passage from the Quran to back it up: "Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision." (Quran 3:169)
So, they argue, when the Quran says that Jesus was not killed, it is not being literal, but rather speaking figuratively as that other verse is.
Thoughts?
then what is this "figurative" death?
Then, simple point: How does it account for Christ being dead according to the Romans, then returning to preach again three days later?
@@gamerx3071 What even is death? Define death first. When does a man stop being living and becomes dead?
@@ZeroNumerous IMO it supports the Islamic theory more as it doesn't contradict all observable natural laws. The Romans killed a guy who looked like Jesus and said it was Jesus for propaganda. But then the real Jesus actually showed up and started preaching again. Some people were genuinely confused and claimed it to be a resurrection, including his disciples. The theory works out all right.
John 19:34 explains perfectly that Jesus died. When Jesus was pierced in his side with the spear by the Roman soldier, blood and water poured out of him. Had Jesus been alive, his heart would still have been pumping blood, and the blood would've left his body in spurts. Jesus' pierced side plainly shows his heart had stopped and it had stopped long enough for the blood to pour out, then for the fluid build up around his heart to pout out after.
I'm also perplexed by the claim that a decoy was crucified in Jesus' place. The Sanhedrin were present from the moment they tried Jesus until Jesus gave up his last breath. They were so bent on putting an end to Jesus' ministry, they made sure he was put to death and made sure they'd witnessed it with their own eyes. Anything less would not have been acceptable for them, and they would've intervened swiftly if any attempt to "switch out" Jesus with a decoy were attempted. They wanted him dead and buried and saw to it that even his body was sealed in the tomb and guarded by Roman soldiers.
Furthermore, to suggest that a decoy was used would've meant that not only the early Christians were in on a major conspiracy, but the Jews who rejected Christ were in on it too. The people who were present at Jesus' crucifixion all knew him and interacted with him.
I always thought the crucifixion disagreement was rather odd for Islam, considering that they share so much beliefs, ideology, etc. with the other two Abtahamic religions. (Then again, Jehovah's Witnesses believe that Jesus was nailed to a mere vertical stake, so...)
It's not even in the same ballpark.
Isn’t it odd that the MOST IMPORTANT EVENT in Christianity they ignore and leave out? Isn’t it also odd that muhammad and joseph smith got their teachings from angels? (Galatians 1:8)
@@CatholicaVeritas777Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
@@CatholicaVeritas777
Catholicism is Satanic
It's a pretty fundamental difference actually, in the Quran most of the notable figures in the Bible are recast as prophets in a long line culminating in Muhammad. God looks after his prophets, and they obey him (as you should), therefore God would never have allowed Jesus to be killed.
It's really a way of justifying Muhammad himself by projecting him onto previous figures, then taking out the various inconsistencies that happens when you do that (Jesus is not the only person to get a rewrite).
"«اِحْتَرِزُوا مِنَ الأَنْبِيَاءِ الْكَذَبَةِ الَّذِينَ يَأْتُونَكُمْ بِثِيَاب الْحُمْلاَنِ، وَلكِنَّهُمْ مِنْ دَاخِل ذِئَابٌ خَاطِفَةٌ!" (مت 7: 15).
This sounds like a thousands years old conspiracy theory...
you fail to provide relevant proof for how jesus did allegedly prophecized about his crusifixion/ death
also you debunk youself by repeating the islamic narrative, which perfectly explains how your methodology of trying to verify the death of your god is just a lie
I could’ve been there at that time and knew Jesus was going to be crucified
Not really a thing that needs debunking or really something was prophesied
He prophesied Judaism betrayed him but that’s it
Also Jesus didn’t “die” per say
@@nathanielgarza9198 then if his wasnt prophesied, then the dillemma of the video is automatically incorrect, because it relies on the idea that jesus allegdedly prophecised about his death on the cross
@@DonetskResident no it obviously does not
I'm not a Muslim by any mean even I was born one, but I left religion behind a long time ago. But the idea of making logical argument for religons seems stupid to me. Religion is not based opon logic it's based opon faith. It's about believing in something even if it's illogical. This types of logcial rationality comes from a diffrent paradigm. For me as a non-believer, resurrection of jesus in Christianity is as ilogical as jesus going to heaven and not being crucified. If you are Christian or Muslim just be one, don't try to make arguments like this. You are not Christian or Muslim because your religion makes more sense, you are because you were born in a certain culture that makes you believe in that religion.
if Jesus wanted people to ignore logic and believe Him blindly, He would not back what He said with evidences most of the time and perform miracles. don't confuse blind faith with the Christian faith. and this is pure generalization, I'm Christian not because I was born in a certain culture, I'm Christian because I came to the conclusion Christianity is true after studying it for years.
@@Douglas2140 That's because you are a christian born in modern era. I have studied Christian philosophy a little bit and for sure there are many philosophers that tried to combine logic with faith. But what I'm saying is that christianty(and Islam) in general was mostly about faith in middle ages. After modern philosophy and enlightment Christianity tried to adopt itself with modern values and rationalty. That's why reformation happened.
Also I know many muslims who think they choose Islam because it's the most reasonable religion. But at the end from a diffrent POV you can't ignore the cultural ties behind this desicion.
Sounds like you are the one making absolute religious statements. Don't study your religious beliefs and pursue truth, because I say so. I guess you are the source of truth and the standard (spoiler alert, your religious beliefs are rooted in rationalism). Also saying that you are only a Christian because you are born in a certain culture is intellectually stupid. Just study a tiny bit of church history and that will debunk your nonsense.
@@JavadHedayat-gs1vn What do you even mean with "because I was born in the modern era"? In all history of Christianity there were people studying Christianity and making available their writings to help others. Read about the writings of Tatianos, Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Jerome etc. The faith those people in the Middle Ages had was backed up with arguments, again, Christian faith is not blind. And having faith also doesn't exclude your ability to critically think. And can you tell me what were the councils that tried to add modern values and rationalty in Christianity during the Enlightement? I'm pretty sure this didn't happen and the reformation did not happen because of this.
These Muslims you know are simply dishonest. One cannot read about what Muhammad did in the Hadiths and not feel disgusted.
I believe Islam...
IS FALSE!
Jesus is the way, the truth and the life.❤
The amount of lying is crazy in this video
@@danestyn7167 Not really lies, just baseless accusation, really. Because even though there are 'plot holes' in islam, there are those too in christianity, and all other religion. I honestly find it baffling that people are trying to 'disprove' and discredit other religions when theirs are filled with many plot holes as any other religion.
Just let people believe what they believe in. Don't try to force your own beliefs onto others.
if islam is a lie then why did the universe start with an explosion? checkmate christians
@noobymooby-ty8gh very true no one should force their religion on others. But we can educate and leave the choice to those we teach. Can you please tell me a plot hole with Christianity that I may help with?
The current explanation after the recent modern “scholars/decipher” Jesus’s soul ascended. He technically didn’t die. The current consensus is no longer that someone took his place.
why do you care about the written history so much.
Trying so hard to "debunk" something.
we don't remember human history before 12,000 years ago. Only stories, that doesn't count as history anymore
So in isaiah it says that the messiah will die for the sins of humanity ( Isaiah 53: 4-6) but if Jesus never died on the cross for our sins, then he isn't the messiah which in favor also disproves Islam which claims him as such.
The Quran also instructs mohamed to refer to the reader of the scripture if you are not sure of revelations. It affirms the validity of the Bible and the Torah by deferring to them. The quran claims it is guardian over previous scripture there by further validating their truth. V48.
@@danmosby7980 Thank you for the follow up brother, together we've just constructed a full-proof argument!
no its different bro the meaning of messiah for here
@@danmosby7980 The ancient scriptures provide necessary context for many stories in Islam therefore it makes sense to instruct the prophet to read from it. Even if it's corrupted, its creed and basic principles share many common points with Islam.
@@thesharinganx5847 First the Quran verifies the Torah and scriptures as true, and instructuct mohamed to ask advice from the readers of the book if he is confused about revelations. Second the prophet was illiterate, who corrupts heaven turns it into a brothel no other religion does this. no sex in heaven. just angels.
"my fictional god story is better than your fictional god story"? Hilarious.
Using that verse to try and say that the disciples were muslim is simply wrong. Literally, in the next couple of verses, it says how they were planning against jesus, but Allah is the best of planners. I mean, even in the same verse you used, it says how jesus felt disbelief coming from them. The next point you said, why would God punish one of Jesus's followers except its stated in the surah you used that god would reward whoever followed jesus and punish whoever tried to deceive him. As a Christian, you can't really claim that as merciless considering all the things written in the Old Testament. Lastly, saying Jesus predict his own death is not a valid argument to be used against Islam, considering it's based on Christian belief and not the Muslim one.
As far as conspiracy theories go, Mo's is pretty crappy, even if compared to risible Atheist conspiracies. I liked the part where Jesus ascends to Heaven through a tiny hole in the roof. Nice detail, but it does skip over a heck of a lot other tricky details. Also, if Jesus could change appearances, why not change his own and escape? Mo's trouble was he was an illiterate and remarkably ignorant man who learned a little about the Tanakh but had a bad memory.
Mo didn't even get Yeshua's (AKA Jesus) real name right, Mo said his name was Esau. Correct me if I am wrong, but Esau was the only human God said He hated by name, so the error is very on-brand for Mo.
When I first started looking into Is-lame back in '01-'02 and oh boy, I got a snoot full.
He also calls Mariam (Moses sister) the mother of Jesus 😂
He was known as The Ear by the local pagans, because he believed everything he heard.
Thanks for the info Pinochet
“Isa” is what they call Him, not Esau, different etymology like theres no J in Hebrew and Greek etc so it became I ir Y in translation… like but yeah youre pretty much right.
@@lowballinn Please see the Wikipedia page "Maryam (name)". I would include the link, but CZcams likes to delete comments with links.
I don't know about this Mo you speak of, but calling Mary, the mother of Jesus, "Miriam" (or some variation of that spelling), is a translation miscommunication, not an actual error.
Your using your book to debunk our book
Yes, but my book is historically reliable, and I’ve provided reasons to support that. I also have a library of other videos that argue this in more depth. Your guy got his info about Jesus 700 years later and 700 miles away, so...🤷
@@TestifyApologetics
Anonymous authors + written decades (for some parts centuries) after + updates from now and then = reliable book
lmaoo
@@good-frog he made a video refuting the anonoymous authors idea
@@good-frogYes that's not reliable
But a book written 6 centuries later is reliable 🤦♂️
@@good-frogAnonymous authors and updates? 🤣😂🤣😂
You can't prove John Mark Luke or Matthew are actual eyewitnesses of Jesus pbuh because earliest manuscripts of Bible and gospels are written in Greek and Jesus pbuh spoke Aramaic.
Greek was the common trade language. Different languages disproves all of Christianity?
@@davidg4789 earliest manuscripts are in Greek hundreds of years after Jesus pbuh, and also earliest christian scholars didn't even mention the term binity until 2nd and the term trinity until 4th century
So is your point that Islam is false because of something written in todays Bibles? You are aware that thats their whole point, that anything contradicting their teachings was added to the Bible after Mohammed, right? So that point doesnt work against their position.
Well we have entire bibles predating Muhammad by 100s of years, so that couldn't possibly have happened
"Time to shine the light, preach the Gospel, defend the Christianity and refure the Islam" - Testify (probably)
Easy refutation because of the contradiction and our disciples different Who was Joseph’s father?
Matthew 1:16
…and Jacob the father of Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom Jesus was born, who is called Christ.
Luke 3:23
Jesus, when he began his ministry, was about thirty years of age, being the son (as was supposed) of Joseph, the son of Heli,
Both Matthew and Luke give us very early in their gospels the genealogy of Jesus’s father (or step-father, or whoever he was anyway… it’s not clear). The two accounts differ from each other in nearly every generation, even including the very first preceding Joseph. Apparently, Jesus didn’t like much to speak to them about his grandpa.
When was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:1
Now after Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judea in the days of Herod the king, behold, wise men from the east came to Jerusalem,
Luke 2:2-3
In those days a decree went out from Caesar Augustus that all the world should be registered. This was the first registration when Quirinius was governor of Syria.
Matthew and Luke, while discussing the events related to Jesus’s birth, give us slightly different accounts with regard to the public circumstances of the time. Logically, one of the two must be wrong, as Quirinius was appointed legate of Syria in 6 AD, a whole decade after Herod’s death in 4 BC; and only after Herod’s son, Herod Archelaus’s banishment, in the anyway contextually absurd case one might argue that he was the one Herod referred to.
Where was Jesus born?
Matthew 2:19-21
But when Herod died, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared in a dream to Joseph in Egypt,
saying, “Rise, take the child and his mother and go to the land of Israel, for those who sought the child’s life are dead.” And he rose and took the child and his mother and went to the land of Israel.
Luke 2:2-6
And Joseph also went up from Galilee, from the town of Nazareth, to Judea, to the city of David, which is called Bethlehem, because he was of the house and lineage of David, to be registered with Mary, his betrothed, who was with child. And while they were there, the time came for her to give birth.
Still discussing Jesus’s birth, the two Evangelists do not quite agree whether the holy baby was taken or born in Bethlehem.
How did Joseph and Mary treat little Jesus?
Matthew 1:20-23
But as he considered these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, “Joseph, son of David, do not fear to take Mary as your wife, for that which is conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit. She will bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus, for he will save his people from their sins.” All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet:“Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a son, and they shall call his name Immanuel”(which means, God with us).
Luke 1:30-33
And the angel said to her, “Do not be afraid, Mary, for you have found favor with God. And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bear a son, and you shall call his name Jesus. He will be great and will be called the Son of the Most High. And the Lord God will give to him the throne of his father David, and he will reign over the house of Jacob forever, and of his kingdom there will be no end.”
Mark 6:4
And Jesus said to them, “A prophet is not without honor, except in his hometown and among his relatives and in his own household.”
Here, Matthew and Luke finally agree that Mary and Joseph had every good reason to honor their son. However, according to Mark, Jesus himself does not seem to believe that he has received the due honors.
Is the Mosaic Law subject to ever undergo change?
Matthew 5:18
For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
Mark 7:19
…since it enters not his heart but his stomach, and is expelled?” (Thus he declared all foods clean.)
Fun fact: Academically we dont even know who wrote the gospels. Today's gospels and Christian tradition are not even near being reliable historical sources (sounds like a silly claim for a Christian but that what most academic scholars believe) and for about the first 200 years we had no proper data on the entire event.
The problem this guy is making here is taking the biblical narration as an authentic historical narrative and judge the Quran based on it without doing proper research especially after the discoveries of some biblical manuscript that predates Islam and proves Qurans narritive.
He is also biased because his account focuses on persuading people into Christianity
@@haniafasih4268
he can just make a hundred videos about "Jesus love you" and how Christianity is about love and this bs etc.. They really dont have any better arguments to convince people that Christianity is the "truth". I debated them hundreds of times and 9 out of 10 times we just end up talking about Islam since they cant defend their faith so they resort to attack yours. I genuinely haven't seen a single good irrefutable argument for Christianity in 5 years of giving dawah to them.
This guy is just another pathetic kid trying to get views out of attacking Islam by repeating these dumb arguments that can be refuted with a 2 minute research and since that type of content causes a lot of controversy they dedicate their channels to attack Islam and some uneducated Muslims unfortunately fall for these silly arguments.
@@mmain42 Wait a minute , you cannot make such a claim without citing your source . Let me show for example how I believe my Bible;
Here are quotes from scholars and historical figures affirming the reliability of the Bible:
1. **Archaeologist Nelson Glueck:** "It may be stated categorically that no archaeological discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference."
2. **Sir William Ramsay:** "I may fairly claim to have entered on this investigation without any prejudice in favor of the conclusion which I shall now attempt to justify to the reader. On the contrary, I began with a mind unfavorable to it, for the ingenuity and apparent completeness of the Tubingen theory had at one time quite convinced me."
3. **Sir Frederic Kenyon:** "The interval then between the dates of original composition and the earliest extant evidence becomes so small as to be in fact negligible, and the last foundation for any doubt that the Scriptures have come down to us substantially as they were written has now been removed."
These quotes highlight the support for the historical accuracy and reliability of the Bible from scholars who have examined its claims and historical context.
But ISLAM comes in and says;
SOURCE: Trust me brother!!!
@@Explaining_Christianity
Oh my God this is awesome!. I'm definitely gonna post this somewhere. But let's talk seriously, I really want to see you trying to make actual arguments on the matter.
Its not like I'm expecting something but I just want to see to what extent you're deranged and how much you know about the textual criticism of the Bible if you even know what that is in the first place.
@@mmain42 Hi , we can cross exchange our beliefs as long as we both don't incline too much to circular reasoning. I say this because I am a Christian and I am guessing you are Muslim, and since we both don't agree with most essential parts of each other's scripture, it would be better if we both critique our texts from the academic lens. What do you say? As far as textual criticism is involved, I can't say I am an expert but I am on my way to that journey as I am a student of scripture (Bible).
This is a big controversy between Islam and Christianity while it is important to remember both religions worship the same God and that Jesus or in Arabic Isa are the Messiah. We just have different beliefs in how things happened that's all.
@@bluefox-pb3ut no there are not the same Christian believe the trinity and lslam does not
@@MrProducer001 I never said they were the same I said we worship the same God and have the same Messiah yes we don't believe in the Trinity and a few branches of Christian groups don't believe in the trinity either.
@@bluefox-pb3ut same messiah yes but Islam does not believe Jesus is God.
The gigantic ignorance of your comment is beyond incredible...
Jesus wouldn’t ask anyone to take his place… that’s kind of the whole point.