My Head May EXPLODE - Woodrow Wilson Did Nothing Wrong?!?!?
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This video is hilarious, love the suck it Wilson shirt
15:36-16:40 Maybe you shouldn’t have watched this video if you’re getting offended by these facts about Woodrow Wilson. Just saying.
@@JumpinJack14 You and I have very different definitions of the word "facts" if that's what you think are being presented here.
@@VloggingThroughHistory Let him know king!
Fun fact: after the first stroke in 1919 for Woodrow, his wife became acting president and gave women rights because she didn’t like her husband ruling the country
"Wilson took a stance against lynching."
What do you want, a cookie? That is literally like being opposed to murder. The bar is so low it never even gets off the ground.
Like it or not, making it a federal crime WAS controversial issue. And for white southener like Wilson it WAS a big deal to support it.
Except he didn't make it a federal crime, I believe lynching only recently became a federal crime.
The bar is so comedically low it burned up in the earths core and f'ing died
"Murder is illegal. That's right I said it."
@@user-mr6eq7oy8j I’m pretty sure murder has always been a federal crime.
"Hate is a strong word. But I really really really don't like you." - Chris if he met Woodrow Wilson
"Hate is a strong word -- I've never met the guy."
*Woodrow Wilson walks up, introduces himself*
"Alright, NOW I hate the guy."
“Hate is a strong word, but I *did* put ‘Suck it, Wilson’ on a custom t-shirt.”
I like that song as well
Saying “Wilson did nothing wrong” is like saying “the Iceberg that hit the Titanic was a minor inconvenience to the ship.”
Titanic hitting the iceberg was super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
@@joncurtis199 Ayyyyy, wow wow wow wow wow
It’s like saying the archduke being assassinated was just a small problem
I was wondering if this was a extremely early April Fools, but then he said it wasn't.
It's like saying Stalin was a good guy
“I’ve brought peace, justice, and security to my new Empire“ ~Woodrow Wilson
Did he actually say this?
@@HistorywithHannibal Its a meme quote from Anakin Skywalker from Star Wars episode 3 Revenge of the Sith.
@@shirogaijin3208 thanks, that makes more sense than if Wilson said this
Your new Empire?
@@odonnell1218 “don’t make me kill you.”
"Hate is a strong word" 5 seconds later proceeds to show a suck it wilson t-shirt lmao never change chris
I mean "Suck it" doesn't necessarily be with hate.
@@TheLibermania No in terms of insults that's definitely on the lower end, it's the fact that it's on a custom made t-shirt lol
@@Bleezer45 well its his merchandise.... he decides what he wants to sell for his followers/fans
@@benjaminloken1999 Dude it was a joke relax
"hate" towards an individual tends to be quiete personal....he was just acknowledging he didn't know the guy personally
"Reveals some secret racism"
Uhhhh, Wilson's racism wasn't even remotely secret. If it was a secret it was the worst kept secret ever.
“I’m racist and I’m proud!”
-Woodrow Wilson, prob
@@warlordofbritannia a made-up quote to fuel your arguable claim
@@evenlord7825 you know he's joking right?
I mean its obvious he was a racist, eugenics and approving Birth of a Nation 1915 movie when no other would, which resurrected the KKK. Lots of the problem USA suffers from today directly stems from Woodrow Wilson in lots of ways. I mean not saying slavery wouldnt be discussed or anything, but atleast systemic racism would atleast not have been such a huge issue if it wasnt for Woodrow Wilson or people like that.
If segregating the government wherever possible, being quoted endorsing the KKK in their documentary, putting black people in cages, openly using racial slurs, etc. is secretly racist...then I guess the KKK was just a little known for being racist in public 😒
I was forced to claim he was the best president in U.S. history for an argumentative presentation in an English class. It was absolutely terrible😭
Argumentative pieces where you’re forced to defend a side or point you don’t agree with are so dumb I wish schools would stop doing it.
@@reboundkyle8435 nah they're great. Learning to make the opposite case is a really important skill
you should make that, and then make another essay refuting all your own points and say how wilson is actually the worst president ever
@@reboundkyle8435 makes you examine the faults with your own opinion, and how to better strengthen them with understanding on the opposing view.
@@kakyoin9688Well yes, but you see: I, as a certified guy-on-the-internet, have no faults in my opinions.
*hits head repeatedly with box during a Woodrow Wilson video*
Ah, yes, this is the quality content I subscribe for!
you should also add "mentioning north-east Ohio when possible" to the list of things you are known for
Yes, fair point.
we should probably come up with a VTH drinking game :)
@@Skelli2 everytime he mentions something about his relatives or his home/ his home state, we drink one shot.
@@lennartgamer2339 stop, you'll kill someone!
Or Eastern Tennessee was largely pro-union during the civil war.
My dog saw you hitting your head in frustration and looked concern. She would like to know if you’re okay.
Let your dog know I'm just fine :)
He's ok besides the heart attack he gets every time he thinks of this video
His entire arguments are basically "Other presidents did the same bad things so it's okay for Wilson to do the same bad things"
Also he iis pretty infamously reactionary but was calling Wilson good for being progressive?
Grant kicked the KKK's ass. And he was not in the new and morally superior 20th century... It's from the outside amazing, how far backwards the US went, until it went up again.
And that not by good will of great politicians but by the courage of those on the other end.
Yeah. I like T. Roosevelt overall, especially given his numerous progressive reforms, but I disapprove of his imperialist foreign policy. Meanwhile, Wilson had imperialist foreign policy *and* signed the Espionage and Sedition Acts *and* segregated the federal government *and* basically endorsed the KKK. Saying they did virtually the same thing shows either ignorance or willful blindness.
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ I am leaning towards this guy's argument toward the ladder. Anyone with that high vocabulary did their research, he may have simply taken advantage of his own vocab to discombobulate his audience (the hypocrisy was for humour).
Right. Which would be a fair argument against anything Wilson is accused of doing that was "unprecedented." But that's not what's being discussed here, solely.
As a black man I thank you for this. Your ability to be able to understand the defenses or lack of credibility this video showed.
Im black and even i think his racism is one of the least bad things he did. His forgien policy indirecly caused millions of lives to suffer
@@Frazier16It’s sad that you don’t seem to value your own civil liberties that much.
@@malluk3065 first of all thats civil rights. 2nd of all the shit he did to the whole world was worse. He was one of the main causes for the cold war
@@malluk3065I think it's admirable that he is able to look past that to point where he can call out wilson for the things he did that hurt more people.
@@malluk3065i actually admire him not making the color of his skin the main focus of his concerns.
We all here may not always agree with one another politically, but it warms my heart that we can all come together and agree that this video you are reacting to is insane
Yeah
Anti-Woodrow Wilson solidarity
When every part of the political spectrum hates you, you know you've done something wrong. From conservatives to liberals, from communists to fascists every one hates Woodrow Wilson.
When an exterior force is so henious that rivals team up to denounce it
@@salsalvador3354 so like the vice president that is communist
I lost it at the TR comparison.
TR wanting 8 hour work days, breaking up monopolies and conserving the land of the United States.
What a monster...
Woodrow Wilson did more for labor and fair competition than TR did
I hate 8 hour work days and I love working 10 hours a day
@@TexasNationalist1836good news, you’re free to use those extra two hours to do some kind of labor of your choice
I mean he’s far from a perfect man - he was a ruthless imperialist. But yes he was an ally to the interests of working class Americans
@@glamourweaver instead of getting paid yeah sure thanks federal government for making it illegal to work at 14
When he said Wilson did more for race relationships more than any other progressive, I actually paused before you did, take a double shot of whiskey and then screamed WTF as loud as as I could. Wife came around the corner and was like what going on I told her it was a video about Woodrow Wilson not doing anything wrong. She says "with how much you hate that person why would you watch a video of someone saying he did nothing wrong"
The wife is right once again. More or less a new person to your channel but I really do love a fellow history lover take on different stuff
At the time yes, really it wasn’t until the 60s that major progress was made.
@@spearfisherman308 Again, how? What did he do to improve race relations? Saying he did is a huge lie. He barred blacks from holding federal jobs they used to have, brought back the KKK after they had long since been crushed by screening Birth of a Nation at the White House and allowed them to put a quote of HIS in the movie, did nothing when blacks were being lynched, etc.... He was a racist person through and through.
@@thephoenixxm4160 the fact that he actually penned a letter to governors asking them to address lynching.
You screamed as loud as you could? Are you exaggerating or do you need help because that's not healthy...
@@chillpengeru A sprinkling of exaggeration.
He said it wasn’t Wilson’s fault that the USA didn’t enter the League of Nations, yet Wilson defeated a version that had some changes because he arrogantly didn’t want to compromise on it at all!
I’m currently writing my senior paper in college over Wilson’s inability to effectively compromise at the Paris peace conference. Reading the events of that conference day by day is frustrating.
@@cheeksfadays6322 Thomas Woodrow would also not compromise with Senator Henry Cabot Lodge, which would have been crucial for any approval of the the Versailles Treaty. Charles Evans Hughes almost won the 1916 election; what a difference a real statesman such as he would have made at Paris! This comes from a lifelong Democrat but the two parties were very different back then.
Man this is the first I’ve seen you this frustrated and I can’t blame you. The video really failed at convincing me “Wilson did nothing wrong” since they mostly devolved into “well anyone else would’ve done if anyway” “he had a reason for it” and “but he did it better”.
or "It's not Wilson's fault so it's not my fault either"
no he wanted to point that compared to other presidents he doesn't stand out as particularly bad. It's ironic coming from someone with a jfk picture considering he was fairly mediocre as a president.
Yeah, a lot of the video's reasoning boils down to "other people would've done it anways." Which, does poorly to convince that Wilson "did nothing wrong." VTH's frustration was understandable.
@@night6724
Even if that's true, which it isn't, it doesn't mean he didn't do anything wrong. So the video's assertion is wrong from the get-go.
@@night6724 except there's plenty of examples of him being worse. You claim he didn't promote the 'Birth of a Nation'. Yet he had a public showing of it at the White House. That is outright promoting it. He outlawed blacks being able to hold federal jobs going as far to BUILD A CAGE around a human being. He segregated the army, ( that one you can say most from that time would've done). There's much more that he did that was wrong and even worse than others at that time
15:53 I think all of us feel your pain haha
I'm only glad Chris didn't have a harder surface available close at hand to bang his head against.
Got to think that pause in the recording shortly after was to go and spend 5 minutes screaming into a pillow at the absurdity of some of these claims.
@@ImperiumMagistrate it's not that he was "bad" as such, but Richard I was basically using his kingdom as a tax farm to finance the crusades, barely set foot in it and didn't speak the local language.
The popular mythology of him being a great English hero is just silly.
Being British, the only thing we’re ever taught about Wilson was his role in WW1, such as his 14 points and him seemingly screwed over by congress in not joining the League of Nations. Overall it seemed liked he was a good guy. Very eye opening that he wasn’t! 😮
I was going to say the same, he’s portrayed relatively positively in our education system, couldn’t be further from the truth.
Its the facade of how he looks i think. He looks like a decent guy by just looking at the guy. When in reality he was a monster
@@matrix91234 interestingly enough I always thought had the demeanor of an obnoxious jerk.
@@alawesyi wouldn't say postive because compared to fdr who was also presdient during a world war hes not as liked. And isnt that remembered
@@Frazier16 Positively in the sense that all of his massive flaws and failings as a decent human being are not taught to British kids
"Looking for patterns where there aren't none" Wilson was a big lost cause historian type in his day as a professor, and the writer of the book Birth of a Nation was a close personal friend and peer. If that's not a pattern of beliefs and views on the topic I don't know what the hell is.
Exactly. For fuck sake, he was raised in Virginia during the Reconstruction era, when bitter lost cause resentment in the South towards Union victory was at it's PEAK. To deny that context impacted Wilson racial views is just dishonest pseudohistory.
He said that as soon as I read your comment lol
“you don’t get to lock people up and take away their civil liberties just because somebody blew up a building”
*laughs in Patriot Act*
Laughs in FDRs actions during WW2
It's strange that a bad action which is bad gives lee way for people in power who lost the least to imprison anyone they see as below human.
It’s almost like that’s the punishment for committing a crime
It seems like he's examining every single thing Wilson did in a vacuum without stepping back to examine the big picture. Like, you could probably do that with pretty much anyone in history by just looking at every individual decision they ever made as one incident and say "see? they weren't so bad."
And, by extension, every empire. "They were only attempting to act in their own best interest, as is their nature!". This does not hold water in the modern era. At the same time, we cannot expect people from centuries past to have anything approaching modern views on much of anything. Those who did were extremely rare. Most WW1 veterans would find modern America unrecognizable and repugnant, and that's only one century and change we're talking about.
That's why there's such a stigma around the statement 'judging by the standards of the time.' Because while there are points for it, there's also the blatant fact that very approach can be and is almost accidentally abused to look back at history throught a very blurry lens.
In addition, he was missing some severe context about Wilson’s character. He said that Wilson couldn’t be blamed for the other nations not following his fourteen points, but the video didn’t mention that Wilson had a messiah complex and everyone in the negotiations hated him because he felt he was better than them. Wilson basically sabotaged his fourteen points by being the one presenting them. In addition, yes he believed the US should stay out of the war, but only so they could have the moral high ground in the aftermath.
@@TemplarWarden Your point is very astute. While there's a small grain of truth to the statement that we shouldn't judge people of the past based on our values, people quickly take this way out of balance. Once that happens, it becomes easy to justify the actions of just about any person in history, no matter how heinous. The maker of the original video seems to operate by, "many people held these sympathies at the time, therefore Wilson wasn't a racist," rather than the more accurate and rational, "many people held these sympathies at the time, therefore many people were racists, including Wilson."
@@ImperiumMagistrate for one, FDR didn’t endorse the KKK.
Mr Z videos are a some of the most hair-pulling pieces of historical fiction. It’s great seeing someone with a little more knowledge react and feel the same way
Yes he just copies videos then adds racism.
I still think he makes decent videos. I think he just tries to play devils advocate.
@@dameonboland8381 Agreed.
@@dameonboland8381 clickbait is what you meant
He made some good video like the scar nicholas or priest stalin one but what I hate is when he's doing historical revisions or his geopolitical videos. The other video are more decent.
Another thing you should add to things you're known for: "Millard Fillmore looks like Alec Baldwin"
I love how he never brings up Wilson's background like being born in Virginia, had a father who was a slave owner, Was one of only 2 U.S. Presidents(the other being John Tyler) who were Confederate citizens, and defended Confederates throughout his whole life. Almost like that information would explain why Woodrow was the way he was and would've shot his own arguments in the foot from the moment of loading his weapon.
TBF, Wilson was only 8 years old when the Civil War ended.
@@danielbishop1863and one of his earliest memories was seeing Jefferson Davis.
John Tyler died in 1862 and Wilson was born in 1856. Tyler was old and who knows could have been senile (I honestly don't know much about him. He might be literally the least known president in history) by the time of the Confederacy and Wilson was a child. What was he supposed to do? Pick up and move north when Fort Sumter was shelled? When he was 5? That said, yeah he was a racist and a lifelong Lost Causer.
This video shows just how critical it is for channels like yours to exist, where actual experts can give additional context or push back a certain narrative. The original creator presented his views in a very confident and slick manner so that it's very difficult for anyone not well versed in US history to call out the misleading aspects. You are doing us all a service, thank you
Except he doesn’t debunk it and leave out other facts like most progressives were extremely racist and the women’s rights movement were pals with the kkk and progressives endorsed eugenics.
As David Lloyd George put it, when asked how he had done at the Peace Conference: "Not badly, considering I was seated between Jesus Christ(Wilson) and Napoleon(Clemenceau).'' This was not ment as a compliment to ether man.
That's straight savage
I lost count of how many times your soul left your body in this video haha. Great content btw!
Not even half way done and it looks like he wants to strangle someone lol.
My most proud moment in high school was when, in AP Lang, I was given a timed writing prompt that I didn't understand, so I wrote a 3 page paper about how Woodrow Wilson sucked and got an A.
Glorious.
@@VloggingThroughHistory it truly was. Thank you for your videos. As a current college history student, I really appreciate them.
I had to do a comparison between Roosevelt, Taft and Wilson in 9th grade, and they never told us how awful Wilson was. They taught us that Wilson was this amazing president who led us to win WW1, when frankly they never told us the racism and hate that Wilson was filled with. Sometimes in history, they always talk about the great in horrible people, and then I never find out the truth until CZcams and research and the legendary Chris Mowery. I was always told that Wilson was a great president cause of WW1, when he's not. He was never a great president to begin with. Suck it, Wilson!
"History is written by the victors"
I think it's just because he's a historian or something
@@WolverineXOXO remove the argument that he was a racist, his policies overall subjugated minorities to be punished. Rounding up people is generally bad, creating obstacles to prevent people from joining a profession based off of skin tone than skill is generally bad, so don't come here to insult someone because they are calling out someone who is dead.
Monsieur Z correctly debunked the notion that Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson were polar opposites of each other ideologically. Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt were both very progressive on economic policy. Wilson and Roosevelt differed on foreign policy. Wilson was a liberal internationalist who pushed for the League of Nations while Roosevelt was a conservative nationalist on foreign who opposed the League of Nations. But Monsieur Z is wrong when he compares Wilson and Theodore Roosevelt on the issue of race. Wilson was a firm supporter of segregation and Jim Crow and he played Birth of a Nation in the White House. Wilson was definitely more racist even for his time. Roosevelt’s views on race were in line with his time.
@@abrahamlincoln937 This, Wilson and Roosevelt had some similarities, but views on Race were not one of them
Thank you for sacrificing your sanity for us like this Chris. That was painful.
Side note not really related to the video: One thing I don't think gets brought up enough is that the 16th Amendment was basically brought up in tandem with prohibition. Excise tax on alcohol was a substantial source of revenue for the government before income tax, and prohibition would obviously snuff that out. Alcohol excise taxes made up about 25% of the federal government's revenue in 1910. Those two amendments had a lot more to do with each other than people tend to think.
There's a reason prohibition passed before women got the right to vote in all federal elections. Since women would overwhelming vote in favor of prohibition (it was promoted as a women's issue), anyone who was opposed to prohibition passing was also opposed to granting women the right to vote. Once prohibition passed anyways, many lost their reason to oppose granting women the right to vote.
@@morganmcallister2001 Correct. All of that was tied together, along with popular election of senators.
@@morganmcallister2001 Does it have anything to do with Wayne Wheeler as well?
Wasn't it Teddy who was attacked for having a dinner/meeting with a black man in the White House? And what did Teddy say in response? "I will dine/meet with the man as often as i please."
"You don't start taking away people's civil liberties because someone blew up a building." I 100% agree. Just funny that this actually happened after 9/11 with the Patriot Act which is much, much worse.
I know you don't do modern politics Chris, but its a very relevant parallel.
They're not supposed to, but that doesn't stop the government from doing it anyway unless there's overwhelming resistance. History doesn't repeat itself, but it sure does rhyme...
I think down the line of history, it will be up there with one of the worst things a US President has done.
I couldn't agree with this any more than I do.
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."- Benjamin Franklin
I knew when I clicked on this video that I would be entertained. I was not wrong. 😂
I love this channel so much! When you grabbed the box and hit your head I was on the floor!
11:39 Sounds like he was saying "The needs of the many outweight the needs of the few" lol
Let it not be forgotten that parts of rural America didn't even have electricity until the 60's. Robber barons aside, there still really weren't enough resources to go around back then, not like there are now. I don't like it one bit, but he has a point.
I gotta say I love the emotion in this, its cool to see you get upset, I know that's kind of weird but its just cool to see a different side of you haha great video as always!!
VTH, let me just say I wish there were more people like you out there. I'm a Social Democrat. Centre-Left ideologically. There's likely a lot of policy we disagree on. But you have never, ever been anything but intelligent, open-minded, and polite. You aren't going to overlook the failings of the Left or the Right, regardless of whoever you may lean more towards politically. Monsieur Z is pretty Right Wing, and from him I don't see any of that. His political videos usually paint people like me in a very bad light, demonizing liberals, democrats, and leftists. Most other conservative or right wing media do the same. You haven't made it a secret that you are a Christian and lean conservative. I can't describe how refreshing it is to see someone I disagree with politically treat those like me with respect. You are a paragon, sir.
Im a straight up socialist and I genuinely like Chris. We may have even more to disagree on than you and him but I whole heartedly agree that Chris is a genuinely good guy who I enjoy watching. It is refreshing to see a not totally insane right wing guy just being himself instead if trying to “Dunk on the left” with every video. Not everything needs to be super politically charged at others expense.
You're normally so polite, gracious and diplomatic, so hearing you say "SUCK IT!" is friggin hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
It felt like a high school paper being read to me
Very wordy
Oh yes. He very neatly followed a textbook argumentative essay structure. Now, following that structure isn’t necessarily bad - there’s a reason it’s still taught as the main structure with which to build an argumentative essay - but it did feel like I was listening to a reading of an essay by a high schooler who didn’t do enough research…
@@_somerandomguyontheinternet_ It's the saying, "a little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing" in action. When someone knows _just enough_ about a topic that they feel comfortable speaking about it, but aren't well versed enough in it to actually make a compelling argument. I've watched a lot of channels like the one that produced this video, and they're all pretty much the same. Young men in their 20s or even late teens who clearly have an interest in history and geopolitics, but do not yet have the experience, knowledge, or *humility* needed to give a well-researched, unbiased take on such things. The passion's there, but it's untempered.
@@DovahFett the Dunning-Kruger Effect in action, at the summit of Mount Stupid…
@@DovahFett
They think they don’t need the historical method because they think they know enough not to need it
Thus, a self-fulfilling cycle of stupidity
I don't regret watching this. I don't really know Wilson as I'm not American, but your reaction was very entertaining. First time I see you reacting so passionately ahah.
Chris, I am someone who I think disagrees with you politically a fair bit, but can I just say thank you for providing a space where everyone can come and objectively judge history, especially when most mainstream history discussions are extremely slanted towards one side or the other!
On the topic of this video, by the halfway point this video's wild takes just had me laughing out loud in incredulity. I had much the same reaction to you. Keep up the great content!
Thank you for pointing out the fact that we are not a democracy! Most of the politicians these days seem to have forgotten that.
*pure democracy
Isn't America an indirect democracy?
This is the first time I have seen you out of the box up to the point of literally kicking your head with it. 😂😂
I am repeated surprised by people's' ability to blame their own actions on others and this may be just me, but was anyone else unaffected by this video because his reaction to this was powerful and by looking through the comments, many of you share his reactions as well.
Huh?
@@chillpengeru What are you confused about?
@@Writer-Two "unaffected by 'this video' (which video?) because his reaction to this was powerful." I don't get what you mean, you were unaffected by the original video? Well yeah this is a reaction countering every point it made, one by one. And what do you mean his reaction was "powerful"? Just a very strangely worded sentence I'm having trouble wrapping my head around.
It reads like "I was unaffected by this content because of how powerful this content is and I can see many feel the same!"
@@chillpengeru Ah i'll rewatch his reaction to it soon and i'll get back to you on why I had this opinion. As I originally wrote this just over 10 months ago.
@@Writer-Two oh I didn't realize how old it was
I cracked up so many times during this! Very entertaining! Well done and thank you.
I honestly thought you were going to explode or get a migraine from hitting your head against the desk, wall, shoe box, so many times during this. I saw the title of the video and was like Chris is going to go crazy. Do love the shirt and did get my VTH hoodie in the mail today.
I would love to see a live debate between these two!
There will be blood....by Chris banging his head so hard.
It wouldnt be fair. Chris actually has beliefs that are thought out and held close to his heart. The other guy is basically just a Nazi who’s entire belief system is based on how much he hates other people. His comments make that very clear. Chris would win by default here lol
A historian versus an internet historian? Sorry but that would be like watching tomatoes fight a blender
@@scipioafricanus2212 LOL
@@scipioafricanus2212 Thank you Scipio.
Chris’ ongoing feud with a dead president gives me life 😂😂
I always think it's imporant to watch and read things that conflict with your personal beliefs and opinions, this is especially true in today's age where everyone seems to be in their own bubbles and no one talks to anyone any more. Thank you for this video :)
I agree in theory but when Internet psychos like this guy who made the original video (Monsieur Z, not VTH) is the other side, I don't have the time for it. It's a useless exercise.
Monsieur Z is a complete psycho in his beliefs though, so I wouldn't think I'd watch his.
@@boopie6635 As a regular exercise, I would agree with you. That said, occasionally it's a good idea to expose yourself to what the psychos are saying. That way, when you find yourself in a conversation with one, you'll know how to counter their points, and expose their insanity for others to see. It would surprise many to learn how many people end up subscribing to insane takes like this guy's, simply because they haven't heard a reasonable rebuttal like Chris's.
@@magarthur3420 I highly doubt Monsier Z is a Psycho
@@boopie6635 You will slowly find yourself in an echochamber losing your grasp on reality
Literally the only thing I've ever heard that made me think Wilson wasn't as bad as I thought was that he actually disclaimed the screening of _Birth of a Nation_ afterwards as "not my idea" and "kind of a dick move of the guy to say it was." I'm not sure if Presidents had the sense yet to be like "wait wait wait, someone _pre-screen_ this please, the last thing I need is to be witnessed watching just any old movie."
Also, I think it's weird that Mrs. Wilson basically being Acting-President while her husband was incapacitated is, like, _celebrated_ by people? On feminist grounds? What a bizarre bypass of democracy that everyone decided was "cool!" She wasn't freakin' elected. She wasn't a cabinet officer. She's not _in line._ She had no business puppeting the President and running the country on WEEKEND AT BERNIE'S rules! Just a weird thing to idolize!
Its because those people don't care about democracy, they just care that 'their' group is being furthered in some nebulous way.
Woodrow Wilson? Willy Wonka? WALTER WHITE?
Ha ha just watched that scene a couple of days ago!
All great men! :P
Woodrow Wilson's declining reputation is so beautiful
Your reaction and mine were almost identical. Unfortunately, I was actually laughing at the end with all of the wild takes he had.
Was gonna go see if this guy had any better videos, saw "INDIAN GENOCIDE WAS FOR THE BEST", then clicked back here.
Chris, thank you for being sane. It seems that's becoming rarer by the day in history CZcams.
Haha, he's since changed the title, the coward.
Finally the Box Office reaction watch that we have all been waiting for. Live only on CZcams.
After having watched this, I can tell this was by far your favorite video to comment on. The joy you had when you hit your head with the box after having listened to the searing intellect and fiery wisdom of the Wilson apologist was unmistakable. It must've been pure bliss! 😂
This is the most passionate reaction I’ve seen from you, and definitely justified as well. This video is just completely bogus
"Triumph des Willens" was apparently also a cinematic masterpiece of its time. Weird that that one was not publicly screened at the White House.
Man that was just a tough video to go through. Saying "Wilson did nothing wrong" is laughable🤣.
Honestly. I'd call him a [REDACTED] that did some things right and occasionally had a good point.
It was a clickbait title.
Videos like this REALLY make me want to see you react to Simon Whistler's presidents series. I know you've reacted to a couple of his videos in the past but his videos on Wilson and Hoover were great for helping me see them in a new light. Obviously bad overall but he pointed out the areas that make some people still defend them.
Edit: This might be the funniest and most frustrating reaction I've seen of yours. Everytime I hear him say something blatantly false or twisting logic to make his point I want to just get up and leave.
Simon Whistler is a terrible person who lies in every video to push agendas. His ghost guns video was embarrassing.
Simon has zero credibility on recent events in East Europe. None whatever.
So I'm just not trusting him on other topics now.
@@crhu319 his video on ghost guns did it for me. He lied through that entire video and got called out on it by everyone. Never issued a correction and never took it down. Shameful.
I'm not American, and have no particular opinion on Wilson other than what I've picked up on this channel, but this video was extremely entertaining.
And now I kinda want that tshirt.
Wilson also literally WROTE a lot of the "history" that underpinned the rise of the 2nd KKK. He 100% was a fan and supporter. I feel your frustration here.
I'm with you about Woodrow Wilson, and for very similar reasons.
From an accomplishment perspective, I think there are worse presidents than Woodrow Wilson. The Federal Trade Commission, the Federal Reserve, and the income tax are all important and necessary developments in American history, and his time as president was not uniquely marked by a lot of especially terrible policy.
From a character perspective, he personified why it's a good thing that the United States is designed the way it is. He is one of the presidents I would have been most afraid of if they were a dictator.
Honestly, your face from the start of the reaction was just amazing. Can I use a screenshot of some of them as reaction pics? 😂🤣😂
Feel free.
@@VloggingThroughHistory thanks!
'I-I need some-.......This'll have to do'
-VTH c.2022
15:48
I was hoping he'd do the 'pull out a bottle of alcohol' bit, but that was funny too.
“BUt oTHeR peOPlE DiD iT”. That’s like saying “you’re honor there are people that murdered before so I think I should get to go free”
Oooh. I saw this title and had to click immediately. This is going to be good.
That said, I do want to hear the other side of the story that Woodrow Wilson wasn't "that" bad. So now here's my chance. And if it goes how I think it will go, I can't wait for you to tear it down to some extent.
What did you think of it?
@@kaijuroar8415 It was terrible but Chris made it enjoyable to sit through as always.
@@kaijuroar8415 The video was good. The one VTH put up of course. I get half of what Z was saying. Some of those things weren't really Wilson's fault.
But the things that most people truly find fault with in Wilson: the racism and the messiah complex aren't really something that can be washed away with "it was a sign of the times".
The video also didn't talk about 1919. In which the U.S. was in chaos in terms of Race Riots and other domestic issues, while Wilson was off in Europe. The leader of a country's duty should always be to their constituents first. Not that the reparations of WWI weren't important... but the U.S. was really in a pickle and he (Wilson) didn't do enough to address that.
Even if you say that Wilson was a president that "did the best he could at the time" and that he was a "product of the time", that doesn't explain his actions in 1919. A president of the time, could have easily had a stronger response than Wilson did.
@@kaijuroar8415 The VTH video was good. What I expected. I enjoyed it.
This was the first Monsier Z video I ran into and even then, I was thinking "Umm... something is very off about this. Like... by just a bit". And looking back, my opinion was a bit nice. Probably because I do agree with the first of the video. Wilson wasn't a tyrant or at fault for the taxes or the FTC. But everything after that... that's a yikes of a take to me.
But it was good to see other people's opinions on this. I mean, clashes like this happen when going over history. And thankfully, the discourse over here has been civil.
I find it difficult to believe that a southern president during this time would not know about his friend's book and not know anything about the film. Its not like today where you have a new war movie every few months and you can get lost in several streaming services. Making any film in that time took effort and was viewed as a luxury to watch them.
Not to mention he was quoted in the movie, and you'd think he'd pay attention to a project he had an association with.
Monsieur Z is a controversial figure in the history/alt-history community from what I can tell. It's feels like he often makes videos not out of a love for history but out of a desire to push his own views. This is a spectacularly accurate first impression of his channel
Yeah, I agree 100%. He has a clear bias
He's an admitted member of the alt-right. He's also known for a lot of racist dog whistles.
@@ImMufasa17 just one look at his community posts and comment sections show the type of audience he caters to
Yes, I think I stopped watching his stuff when he sayed McCarthy didn't anything wrong.
I looked at his channel after this video. Saw some on the Russian-Ukrainian war and...yikes.
There is nothing more satisfying than knowing that the world wakes up and acknowledges Wilson's 'suckage'
Wild video. Loved the reaction. Also had to supress myself from bashing my head in.
This is my favorite video so far...hysterical. The only thing I would agree on is that it is unfair to judge historical figures and acts threw today's lens. Suck it Wilson (FDR too)
Agree, which is why it's important to point out Wilson was awful even for back then.
D-did he just say people were accusing Wilson of secretly being a racist?
Like, no we’re not.
Because that would imply Wilson was trying to hide his racism, which he never made any efforts to.
I watch you partially because I like you as my sensible opposition. It is nice to see videos like this where we're both rolling our eyes or banging our heads too though.
Just wow seeing you getting visibility upset in an video is just wild to me. Hope your day was good after watching this
I'm good! Working on a video for the gaming channel now :)
@@VloggingThroughHistory that’s good to hear. Hope you have great week. Really enjoy watching your videos
There was one video (Checkmate, Lincolnites on Generals) when he did not finish the reaction because he was extremely frustrated with Atun-Shei's interpretation of "good general" based on commanders' character, not actual military command.
Then again, I wouldn't blame him because VTH specializes in Civil War history, and I'd be extremely frustrated if someone was using the wrong concept/terminology on a topic I'm passionate about (like don't get me started how annoyed I, who worked with genetic science, get when people say that GMO is a modern evil abomination for food)
@@hansonlee5847 thanks for the info. I haven’t watch that one. Same here
@@hansonlee5847 Eh, that was more of a confusion of terms. Checkmate was taking "good general" to mean both a good military commander and a good person at the same time. As the video also sought to address the claim that southern generals were more honourable and gentlemanly that their northern counterparts.
You are always so calm and happy in your reactions so watching this was super funny
An old man shouting on a fast talking young man’s video about a weird man 100 years ago is the best thing ever
I didn't realize 45 was old.
@@VloggingThroughHistory your power and energy is amazing i didn’t actually realise that you are 45, calling you old was a really bad classification , really sorry for that
@@chinmayyy7637 no worries. It’s all good!
@@VloggingThroughHistory high respect for you sir
I absolutely cannot believe this video is real and he’s really defending Wilson. You made some great points VTH you da man!
Ah, let me get my popcorn ready for this reaction video
I started watching Z's alternate history videos. They started ok, some conclusions he had didn't really add up, but I mostly gauged him as an uptight, yet low-rent Cody. Then I tried some of his videos on post-1800 subjects and I realized he knew parts of history, but was definitely was either cherry picking/intentionally ignoring things or didn't have a deep knowledge on the subjects he chose to talk about. He definitely would try to shoehorn in his own modern politics by grasping desperately at straws (like this one). This one was one of the more edgelordy ones I have seen.
For me Woodrow Wilson was a great guy cuz he supported Bulgaria in the Paris peace conference. He supported our claim to an Aegean coast (which was also inhabited by Bulgarians)
I've seen the original video advertised but I never went and checked it out, so I guess this is the first time I'll be seeing it as well.
I seen other videos from the channel though, and he has some interesting alternate history videos.
Okay? Cool bro no one cares
He does have good videos, but he does manage to make bad takes like this wilson video
@@kaisermarxistdixie6842 yeah I don't think the Wilson video was that good of a video, I disagreed with his opinions about Wilson
Monsier Z is very mixed for his videos, some a great, some are off the mark, and most are ok
Greatest reaction video on history 😂
Definitely worth a subscription.
One thing that should be be mentioned. In the video Z stated that Wilson wasn't at fault for Congress refusing to join the league of nations, which is also wrong. He appointed an all democrat team and refused to make any changes to the treaty. He alienated Senator lodge, the unofficial leader of the Senate republicans, in particular who was personally in favor the treaty. Which shows his messiah complex.
I graduated High School in 2017, so I don't have the best recollection of the curriculum surrounding Wilson. With that said, I do remember him being fairly positively portrayed in history classes. (Sacramento, California)
i don't think i have ever seen Chris so riled up and angry at a video before. this is surprisingly entertaining
As a non-american with literal no emotional connection to (or, for that matter, knowledge of) any of this, this was absolutely hilarious to watch
That's like saying Steve Bruce is a good Football manager 😉
#TooSoon #RIPWBA
@@VloggingThroughHistory Only up from here sir 💪
That was the single most hilarious reaction you've ever done! Well done, and well reasoned!
This video is hilarious Woodrow probably dropped some more ranks after this video was published 💀
Seeing chris display this much frustration just made my night lol
I knew your head was going to explode the moment I saw you'd reacted to this. Mine did too when I watched that video. Hope your headache doesn't last long. Lol
I never expected a video to be able to cause VTH to bang his head but then again I never expected a video like this to even exist in the first place.
*Sees video title*
[HERE COMES THE GENERAL]
Me: This should be fun
Never yelled at my tv more. Want to do the same thing but had no shoe box. Need that Woodrow Wilson shirt in my life.
No defence of Wison because he should have known, but the general public wasn't as knowledgable about the klan in the 1910s compared to now It had died off in 1870s only remembered by some of the people in the South. Only to be revived in the 1920s by this film/book.
It was so unknown that in the Sherlock holmes tale "the 5 pips", where Holes takes on the KKK, Arthur conan doyle has to explain what KKK was to his readers in the Uk and US in the 1890s, because the organization had been dead for 20 years.
Im just trying to point out that knowledge of the KKK wasnt as ubiqutous as we may assume. But the president should have known of it if he was interested in the subject.
I actually think these kind of reactions to videos that you disagree with or are somewhat against your perspectives are your best sir. We get a lot of insight by hearing both sides of the arguments.