Why Kino der Toten Is So Iconic
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Kino der Toten is the map most synonymous with Treyarch's Call of Duty Zombies; it's the first map many people played, and the first map many people would associate with the mode as a whole. Instead of experimenting with something totally new, this map took everything that came before and perfected it so that Kino was a simple distillation of the formula as it existed back then.
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"Bro you have more points you open the first door"
Simpler times
I ALWAYS have to open every heckin door in the map because people play multiplayer to do nothing
Nah bro you open it so I can get the box
@@morgandawson9450 but you have like 2,000 points the door only only costs 750 points
Yeah now it’s just some shmuck popping a shopping free and opening up the map on round 2
the first player opens the door, because there are 7 zombies in round 1 and he kills 4 zombies so he gets more money
One thing that I genuinely miss from Black ops 1 zombies was how absolutely wild Pack-a-Punch was. You had weapons getting absurd effects and attachments and it was honestly just kind of fun to pack a punch weapons that would normally be garbage because of what they might do. Like having the rocket launcher go from just being a pretty crappy weapon to having a 10 shot magazine didn't exactly fix it but it was fun to use
same man, I miss that shit. These days it’s boring as fuck and the upgrade is just: it red now
I laughed my ass off when the shitty g11 went from 3 round burst to highest fire rate fully automatic weapon in zombies. An absolute peashooter but one hell of a pointmaker.
Was one of the things you just almost expected a brand new weapon from the Pack, always fun the multi-level packing now doesn’t feel right
Or even a regular add pistol that starts shooting granades
Same. Cod devs had so much fun goofing around with stuff like this back in the day. Now it seems they can’t ever catch a break… :(
Not to mention Kino had the absolute most godly banger soundtrack in zombies history to this day!
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I FUCKING LOVE 115!!!🤌
@@TheDeadmandillon you liked 115 so much that you turned italian
With 115 thumb-ups on this comment I shall omit pressing it this time.
@@stanleylutherson17 you are a true soldier 🫡🫡 I know the decision was difficult
kino has always, and probably will always be my favorite zombies map.
i have simple tastes, what can i say
i kinda like shi no numa now
Imo it’s a shame we don’t get more kino style maps. Simple, accessible, and polished. More time than not, I want to play zombies with my feet kicked back and some beer and pizza within arms reach. Sure the complicated Easter Eggs are rewarding, but they’re also a pain in the butt. 9/10 times I play, I don’t want to be looking up steps on my phone, pausing the game every few minutes, and stalling out rounds while I carry out fetch quests. I just want to play the game. And many modern maps feel like they’re designed just to facilitate the quest instead of being enjoyable to play casually. Every zombies game should have at least two of these fairly straightforward and laidback maps, because most of the people that play zombies just want to shoot zombies.
I dunno, I think Buried falls into that category, and I think it executes that concept perfectly.
you named one single map post BO1 that fits what this guy is saying. you just proved his point@@kraus5576
I was that type of player and just strictly a high rounder but after opening Pandora's box and finally doing the origins EE recently it's much more addicting tbh I love playing how I used to play for the last 10 years of course but there's just something so amazing about getting everything on the map completed first and then doing the high round attempt after
This is why Revelations was my favorite BO3 map, the layout was basically just a big circle like Kino, so it was hard to get lost. That map was a lot more straightforward than other BO3 maps too, you didn't have to solve easter eggs to get the wonder weapons or pack a punch unlocked.
Yet another video on your small channel that will blow up in like, a month. This is such good content, and I will watch every episode of this series and comment on all of em. I'm glad to be an OG on this future giant.
Same
100% agree
Here bc it’s blowing up 😂
same
Facts
While Mob of the dead and shadows of evil are some of my favorites it's kind of sad we don't get simple maps anymore I mean the last original ones were the tranzit survival maps and if you don't count that it was Ascension or Shangri-La
agreed, that’s why i like some bo4 maps to an extent like IX and Classified - the bo4 system might not be great but those maps made a return to formula of just relaxing and killing zombies instead of 3000 quests
I think you could argue Buried as being the last survival map, because of Zalinski's whole style. However, if you dont count treyarch exclusively, Groesten Haus is actually really fun in WWII zombies. Everything else has been a remake or remaster
@@cheeseburger7788 nobody likes bo4 zombies
@@jeovs1 speak for yourself lmao
That’s why zombie chronicles was the best selling dlc of all time
Nothing like chucking grenades from the projector room
Not only that, it had a damn good hidden soundtrack too if you found all three meteorite pieces throughout the map.
I grew up on this game. As a young adult now, I still have black ops one. This map is not forgotten
Firesale, the powerup that kills you because you think you can ignore the zombies in order to get one more spin
LOL
every time they find all three meteor pieces I power up
Kino is the only reason I still play cod games today, specifically cod zombies, playing it on bo3 last year after years of not playing it just didn't feel the same as playing it on the og bo1, I don't have a last gen console with the game so I just got it on pc this year, brought back some good memories
Yea I wish they stayed faithful to the og kino when they were remastering it. I fken hate the new kino
This was the last map with 'nazi' zombies
One thing not mentioned is this for the most part was the first game to do a complete arsenal switch in the mystery box. Gone was WW2 weapons, in was highly detailed (for the time) Cold War weapons.
Still distinctly remember rocking either Mustang and Sally, or playing team medic with the upgraded crossbow and/or ballistic knife.
Everybody talking about M14 vs Olympia when the real deal is the MP40
I prefer the thunder gun to the WW, but just a tiny correction, it isn't infinite! At the high rounds, (25+) it will kill most but just blow some away, and they'll get back up. Like I said I prefer the TG, because Its still pushing them away from the player, which is the point lol, but you also don't need to worry about splash damage. Glad I found your channel dude, subbed after the second vid I saw. Youre gonna blow up any minute now! :)
It is infinite and also high rounds is not 25+
I graduated college playing this map. It was my favorite by how perfect the formula just worked. Survive, make it to the theater, pack a punch. So easy!
Ah back when I was 16, not a fan of CoD (still not all that much), going to parties and doing shit I shouldn't be doing with everyone grouped around a TV taking drinks to Zombies. Good times...
My questions are, would kino be as iconic if it were released on WAW? Would BO1 be as big if five was the only map at launch?
I would say no. Like he said the Black Ops 1 release and engine were a big part of the influx of players that played Kino. It had the advantage of riding a brand new release and not a game at the end of its life cycle.
@@Wolf-zk8ey Imagine Kino with WaW guns
@@Mr.Swiss.Passport would kinda be kickass. Then again, it's like saying "Imagine if Kino's Easter egg was finished"
Side note, anyone else think the bathroom barrier on Kino would've had to do with the egg? The characters all have voice lines for walking up to it.
Maybe you got something from the knocking chest and had to take it there? Or maybe you had to learn, then say a secret phrase- interacting with the "Manhattan Down" letters to tell the thing in the box before it gave you a key or something
@@Wolf-zk8ey It wouldnt make a significant differece by a long shot. At that era from cod4-mw3, call of Duty was all about the multiplayer
I think yes. Five would’ve had the thunder gun which would’ve made it alot more popular of a map
I wonder how Kino would've looked in WaW's grittier engine? I saw some concept art for it and I imagine it would've looked amazing. The footage of Downfall from WaW made it finally click in my head, "Oh right, campaign mission/mult map turned into zombies"
Top tier content right here, gave me a nice rush of nostalgia, I salute you good sir 👍
To this day I still desire that feeling of fear and adrenaline from the first few times I played that map being my first foray into the zombies mode. Moon was pretty good at replicating it tbh but something is special about Kino in my heart
I still have 115 on my playlist to this day
This brings back so many memories of staying up all night playing BO1 with my friends in middle school. Multiplayer is where we settled things, but Zombies was the real game for us. Love this series, I never truly appreciated the WaW Zombies mode and how integral it was to future games' success. Black Ops 1 is still my favorite, though :P
Shout out M14 gang! Olympia gang be damned. 😂
the music. still to today, my absolute favorite song of all time. it also made me a fan of metal. kino had an impact in my real life
You failed to mention the most obvious inconvenience of the nova crawlers, THE GAS CLOUDS 😂
I love Kino and it has my favourite zombies song Easter egg
Wow you had like 200 subs last week and now you have over 2000 keep up the good work dude
I remember getting my hands on black ops after release. My girlfriend at the time and myself jumped straight into this map. Coming off der Riese, it felt so huge and mysterious. We died before round 10 a dozen times before we unlocked the full map. It's kinda funny how the general skill of everyone today is so much higher. Back in the day, jumping into a new map was difficult 🤣
I’ve only watched up to this point but hopefully you mention the trailers. I remember watching new dlc trailers just for the zombies content. The trailers generated so much hype back in the day.
Alot of people give kino shit for not innovating, but I would say kino innovates just as much as any of the maps before it, two new trap variants, a new wonder weapon, the nova crawlers, fire sale, and even small things some people might not notice like the box spawning randomly on the map (all maps before had a set first box location).
nice💯
those people are ungrateful thats for sure
That’s just not true as all the waw maps have shaped the game as it is today and all of kinos “innovations” were either from five or meant to be on five originally also the fire trap is not really that innovative
This is good stuff well done and well said my friend
I think kino told the entire zombies story but we never figured it out.
“Why kino der toten was so iconic“
Because it was good. 😨
Don’t forget to mention the songs!
Did you know that the wall outside of the theater is actually The Berlin Wall?
I miss those nights, playing for hours doing Easter eggs over and over again 😢
I still remember when I PaP'd my first gun... it was the mp40 on this map, and I lost it in the pap because I did it too late lmao
2:20 Never PaPd M14, Paped Olympia, but honestly I'm still on the 1911 side. Until like round 8, then I'll switch it.
This was the first zombies map I ever played. I think I was like 9 or something, so I was understandably terrified out of my mind. I also have since grown to despise nova crawlers, for obvious reasons.
When you mentioned "M14 vs. Olympia", the correct answer is neither.
still remember my first high round on kino of 36.
4:09 there is the notable downside of reduced points for multikills with it but yeah that doesn't matter past round 10 lol
I still wonder what kino wouldve been like if it had actually been released on WAW
Great Information.
Weren't the nova crawlers pigs?
That’s actually a good point; on this map you have the monkeys in canisters so since it was the crawlers’ first appearance the implication was that’s what they were. But then of course they appeared in Five as well, and that map had the pigs in the lab, as well as human experiments. Then in Classified there was some intel that hinted they were trying to alter pig DNA and some people think that that’s the experiment that became crawlers. There’s no clear answer, no one’s really sure, there were a lot of crazy experiments going on around the world!
@@whitecliffgames Oh interesting, I didn't realise it was still unknown. I guess they're creepier that way. Also I'm loving these videos and thanks for answering!
@@whitecliffgames Fun fact there are unused nova crawler models in the wolrd at war files
It was the first Zombies map ever released for us Germans thats why its iconic for me.
Reason: BO1 came out during CODs peak in popularity and that shit was free lol
Yall ever PaP Ballistic Knives. I never went down so fast 💀
Training in the alley at 2:35 was so nostalgic. That’s where I would train back in the day because I thought only noobs train on the stage 😂 it actually was pretty decent, I would make it to atleast 50 which for my skill level back then wasn’t bad
Imagine Kino der Toten with WaW Guns
It’s iconic because of a burst of popularity…peoples first map same with shadows.
Fire video spot on
Can we take a second to marvel at the musical Easter egg in Kino? It’s by far the most iconic song for call of duty zombies with the name literally being “115”
I make so many jokes and comments on this map in my day to day life this map is the greatest for me it’s literally engraved in my brain
I love this fuckin map
Man I’m so ass at black ops 1 and 2 zombies I use to be able to round 60-70 easy but I can barely make it to round 20 now bc I got to use to bo3 zombies and my main console is PlayStation now so when I do play them I gotta play on Xbox controller which isn’t bad just different feeling
I wonder how many laps I've done of KDT
banger video, holy mama 🤝
"M14 v Olympia" ... *Scoffs* more like MP40 or restart ;)
when i was a kid the zombies scared the s*** outta me lol😂😂
What a map, has to be the best
M14 long range vs Olympia close range.. but I just love that Ding of clip 😍 USA made.
use of word memetic = instant subscribe ✌
I miss this 😭
Anytime I'm on kino, it's impossible to not grab the rocks. Like...I'm not even trying got an Easter egg maybe, but it's wrong not to take them
kino still my #1 no lie. der reise was best on WoW but Kino stands out to me forever
Imagine if kino dropped in cod WAW with the wunderwaffe 🤤🤤🤤🤤
So we’ll said and done
If 115 was playing no one could go down it’s literally a crime
4:50 pigs
115K views....
Perfectly balanced, as all things should be.
It’s simply because of the date it was released. Cod was at its height of popularity and it was the launch map.
Black ops 1 still to this day is the best selling call of duty game followed by mw3
Is it just me but I always entered the stage from that left door
The thing that ruins this map for me are the crawlers. I also dont like the Thundergun as much as the DG-2.
I can’t tell if you’re from MN, Western PA or CA.
Pretty sure the TG didn't do infinite damage. If it did then it wouldn't just knock zombies over in the later rounds, it'd kill them all outright
It is infinite damage but I'm pretty sure it's only at a certain range. If the zombies are a bit further back and away from you the Thunder Gun will just blow them over on later rounds.
Yeah it has damage dropoff I think its instant kill no matter what at point blank
M1911 >>>>>> M14 > Olympia
Bitch bois dont buy the door on the left, best rain route
Also the person with the most most opens the more expensive door
Just gonna drop a comment on every one of these as I watch for the algorithm. Criminal that the view count is so low.
I think the thunder gun might actually have a damage cap? Like maybe they start getting back up after a high enough round. Or is this like a Mandela effect.
There is a damage cap. It doesn't have "infinite" damage
no stupid Easter eggs...no gobble gum...no nonsense. best map besides Der Riese
this map was kino
I have 22 rounds
Though I do agree that having a digestible map is a good thing, especially for onboarding folks. I personally don't at all prefer Kino, as it is the weakest offering in BO1, because it does nothing new and interesting. The Nova 6 crawlers and the fire sale nothwithstanding, because those are done to death in other maps of this game. At the time I loved the map, as it alongside WaW helped me get into the mode. But as Shadows is beloved in hindsight, Kino is not so much in my opinion due to the lack of anything worthwhile on the map. I still play and enjoy it from time to time as I do most other maps, but it is by far my least favorite on BO1. I don't think iconic saves it either. That and nostalgia are poor reasons to highly rate a map or game. It must stand up to objective fact and reasoning. Even Five has things to offer that Kino can't match; death machine, Nova 6 crawlers being avoidable totally, bonfire sale, an interesting boss round that isn't the infinitely rehashed dog round, a boss that gives you options, buildable traps, difficulty, and even a tactical wonder weapon that doesn't just hold your hand.
Again, I'm not saying the map is bad, just objectively the worst offering on BO1. That's not saying much though. The on disc experience should be lesser than the build up of DLC, otherwise why buy the DLC? There should be bonuses and additions. Kino is so vanilla it might as well be the poster child for that flavor in COD zombies. Nothing wrong with that, but nothing outstanding about it either.
5:29 Ummm… not true. Remember Nacht’s intro cutscene?
I never liked this map. It felt so vanilla after playing world at war zombies from map pack to map pack.
Sucks to see such a reputable franchise become so money hungry. RIP to the real cod zombies days.
I got here right at 115k views... nice.
Didn't thundergun don't gets ammo when you pick max voodka?
Also map is such iconic cause nazi horror vibes mixed with daylight and 60s...trully unique combination:)
Black ops 1 was terrible. They released it off of the hype of MW2. MW2 was gamechanging. We thought BO1 would be the same. But they fucked up the sniping with the sway on the L11. Man I swear itd be crazy if that was the name on the sniper. I havent played multiplayer in years. The maps were good. The snow map was good, nuketown was good. But they fked up sniping man.
Zombies was the saving grace.
BO1 was decent. On the ranking list it still falls below COD4 and MW2
I respectfully disagree with this god awful take
It's iconic because it shipped with the game and was bigger than all the maps before it. I like the map but it's objectively overrated.
very good video 49th comment
inglous basters cod got it from
I can't figure out how it's so iconic because to be truthful, it kinda sucks
I’d like to hear how, genuinely.
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M14 > Olympia
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Call me crazy but even in bo1 multiplayer I still use that gun