Choosing Sides | British Midland Flight 92
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The Kegworth air disaster occurred when British Midland Flight 92, a Boeing 737-400, crashed on to the embankment of the M1 motorway near Kegworth, Leicestershire, England, while attempting to make an emergency landing at East Midlands Airport on 8 January 1989.
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My cousin and her husband from Belfast were survivors on this flight. While visiting them from NZ for the first time a few months ago, they recalled this horrible day in their lives. Their voices shook, tears ran and the family recalled how their sisters/auntys/daughters flight didn't turn up at the airport, and then they heard thered been an accident. They all thought she was dead. She and her husband woke up upside down, hanging from their seats on the ceiling, with broken, smashed bodies, and it still haunts them. I've never been so interested in a story in my life. Much respect to them, to the uploader, and even more so to the dead. R.I.P x
I worked for one of the survivors of this flight. He'd also been on board one of the trains involved in the Clapham rail crash. What a lucky fella he is!
Lucky, sounds like it!
Don't think I'd be in a hurry to take a trip with him though 😬
Both incredibly lucky to be alive but also incredibly unlucky to be involved in two separate disasters.
@@Slinger43 😅😅
Having the surviving pilots' story and not just the conclusion from the authorities is a nice addition to the content. Keep it up if possible.
I noticed that too.
Angelo Pereira It is good. When the pilot(s) survive it helps us know what happened.
@@theobserver4214 yes it is
i was booked on that flight but got stuck in traffic in London - still makes me feel shaky 31 years on
Traffic saved your life.
We had been visiting friends in Kent and were on our way home on the M1 that evening. As we unlocked and walked through the door at home our telephone was ringing. "Are you OK? ". It was our friends calling. They had seen the first reports on the tv. The accident must have happened just after we passed Kegworth. It's a miracle that there was a gap in M1 traffic both north and south bound. This was a very busy part of the M1 even in 1989. Today I think a gap in traffic at that point would be pretty near impossible.
I've calculated (and timed many times) that five minutes was the difference between there being another five people on the casualty list. Eight if you count subsequent grand-children. These coincidences remind us how fragile our very existence is.
Remember the unfortunate casualties of 30 years ago and the ones still suffering today.
I just can't believe non of the passengers reported the sparks....especially after the captain announced they had a problem. Was it just british people being overly polite?
I would guess they thought the pilot already knew/had it under control/were occupied panicking or such or were unable to reach the flight attendants.
Too reserved I guess, as us Brits are
OGfranz Yep. I won’t even send food back
I can’t comment on whether it is a cultural thing for the British in specific but in 1989 it wasn’t common to try communicate with the cockpit as a passenger.
Most people aren't very technically aware and even fewer have a good understanding of how a plane works.
Amazes me how little so many pilots seem to know about the aircraft they’re flying
So true... the corporations just keep shoving us into seats and pilots into positions unqualified to stuff the bank rolls ... right up till they kill us and go belly up out of law suits....file chapter 11 and walk away.. they should be imprisoned
What did you expect them to know that they didn’t.
@@peteconrad2077 Did you watch the video? They shut down the wrong engine based on false assumptions. I know it's easy for us to say after the fact but that seems like the sort of thing I'd expect my pilot to be more familiar with.
sidefx996 I’ll say again. How do you expect them to know. They had a brief warning where neither saw which side. They were relying on vague engine parameters and the smoke entering the cockpit. Now you may say they should have waited and looked at the instruments more carefully, fair enough. But to claim it is lack of knowledge is unsupported. There is no evidence for that.
@@peteconrad2077 Are you saying that shutting down a perfectly good engine based on possibly reading the instruments wrong and the fact that previous aircraft you flew (mind you not the aircraft you're flying) used the right engine to pump air into the cockpit doesn't fall under the heading of "lack of knowledge?" I don't know, maybe the video presents the information in a manner unfair to the pilots but I'd prefer the Chuck Yeager school where you know the aircraft's systems. In his book he goes into depth with numerous well known extremely talented pilots who fucked up because they didn't take the time to have a thorough understanding and knowledge of their machine's systems. Maybe that's too much to expect of an airline pilot but it certainly would've made the difference here.
man.....that little music that plays at the end chokes me up every time
I hate that fucking maudlin xylophone music at the end
It is fortunate that modern airline technology very rarely fails. Most pilots never experience any significant malfunction, more so if they are fortunate enough to get into a good airline early in their career. Simulator training is just that, a simulation. The only fear experienced is that of losing their job, not their lives. Faced with real life emergencies many make catastrophic errors and judgment calls.
In my opinion the first and possibly most significant error the captain made in this event was to disconnect the auto pilot at the first sign of trouble, thereby tying up a large portion of his brain on a task that should of been left to the autopilot.
Very informative, Allec. Please disregard any dislikes unless they provide constructive criticism of exactly what/why they disliked. The rest of us love the work you are doing! Very proud of you!!!
Karen, most of the thumbs down are done for a different reason. CZcams will frequently show a link to a video as "recommended for you", and if the viewer watches, then discovers that it is not the type or subject that they want to see, they 'dislike' it so that genre is not suggested any more. Thus it is not a negative about the poster or video, but just to stop that type of recommendation.
Nice vid, Allec. I've heard of this accident, but didn't know all of the details. You provided them, and I thank you for that. Rest the souls of the dead...
John Sauerbrun
Rest well to ALL those who lost their lives.
Well said. Agreed.
What does "Rest of the souls of the dead" mean?
Once again, you made an outstanding video. Two thumbs up !
Sparks from the left engine would have been useful information.
Chad Binger From*
Chad Binger Dude, I was correcting your grammar. You wrote form instead of from.
@@jumpinjojo Oh my bad. Thank you i didnt notice
Chad Binger You’re welcome!
Jack Casey So what the hell is the point of you telling me what’s inside a plane engine. Did u see me talk about the inside of an engine
Sad story - if they hadn’t been required to make that turn on final approach they probably would have made it.
That just a guess on your part. If you are meant to land. You are meant to land.
They made him land on a longer runway so that they have better chance s of stopping the plane
If they had shut down the correct engine they would have landed safely. That is multi-engine 101 verify before shutting down an engine AND fly the plane first talk to ATC last.....
@@dominic9028 The F.O. told the Captain (when asked by the Capt "which engine is causing the problem) it was the right engine, so Capt ordered it shut down.
Sounds like verification to me 🤷🏻♂️
@@Slinger43 there is no flight engineer, it was the FO who famously said “it’s the Le...it’s the right engine.”
Who ever sees and engine on fire should alert the crew straight away on which engine is on fire and should not keep quiet.
angelofmusic477 i 100% agree with you. A few years ago, i was on a 757 in the boarding phase and i saw a stream lining fowler flap guide fairing missing from the right wing in front my window. I told the stewardess who looked at it and agreed that did not look good. She went to the pilot, he said he knows and it is annotated in the maintenance log and it was ok to fly.
I got drinks constantly all the way to the flight destination. True story
engine fire did not occur until over 500 metres away from the runway due to reduce power in left engine. The confusion was passenger saw sparks from left engine but not a fire, cos if there has been a fire the cockpit warning for fire in engine one would occurred but didn't. Due to captain announcing to the passengers of an engine problems they accepted that the captain is aware and cos the FO disengaged auto-throttle and engine 1 was reduce all vibration were stopped. The fire in engine one was caused when they has to throttle up engine up as flaps were being added and thus leading to having fire master caution going off and trying to restart engine two so basically at this point the aircraft has become literally a brick.
Sometimes it's hard to see the wing and what's going on if it's dark out.
@@leonswan6733
While... I would never doubt how much info you have about most of the Planes in the Sky...
I automatically suspect, that if a passenger told a Pilot.. or a FA about that info...
Theyd look at you the same way my wife looks at my 4yr old.. who can accurately point out, Different Vettes, Challengers, Land Rovers, Freightliners, Mack Trucks, Porsches, etc etc etc etc. He can tell which cars are British.. and which arent. Knows the difference between a Diesel Truck and a Gas Version, Convertibles / hardtop = HHmmmm sure, "Im going to do go do that right now." 10min later.. she dissapears only to ignore you.
Exactly I remember the saying on a bus in Honolulu, " if you see something say something ". Don't sit there like you're dead or you will be dead as in this case! I blame the passengers not the crew. And I'm half-irish.
I’ve been waiting for this video for a long time!
These are so much better than ACI episodes with all the extra dramatizations, acting etc. that have - funnily enough considering they are longer programs - less info. Keep up the great work Allec, these truly are a joy to watch!
Thank you so much for this video, I requested it a lot
You have a gift for video production, with the proper respect and solemnity for the seriousness of the subject
As always, an incredibly done video!
It AMAZES me... I keep watching these videos, and EVERY SINGLE ONE, with OUT EXCEPTIONS, they are ALWAYS ASSUMING it "may be left engine, it may be the right engine, it may be the routers, the wings, the flaps, it may be this, it may be that, etc etc", but NOBODY EVER GOES TO TAKE A LOOK, when CLEARLY, A LOT OF TIMES IT IS VISUAL, so it would help them make the right decisions, and very possibly avoid crashes🤨!
Also, there are cameras EVERYWHERE, people riding BICYCLES have cameras on their helmets... WHY AREN'T THERE CAMERAS PROPERLY POSITIONED to show the ENGINES, WINGS, TAIL, ETC, areas where 99% of the problems occur🤨...😒!? Which, again, would help solve MOST OF THE PROBLEMS, therefore avoiding most CATASTROPHES!!! MULTI BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS, still this going on... it's beyond me!!!!
These little extras cost big money, like the optional $80,000 warning light on a the 737 MAX, and the missing extra sensor on the same plane.
Same reason why backup cameras aren’t installed on big rigs - complacency. The drivers will get used to them and rely only on them and when they aren’t functional the drivers will then assume.
The pilots have a procedure to follow and in this case gauges showed where the vibration was coming from but the F/O assumed it was for the right engine, and the captain again assuming things. None of the crew communicated important things to each other all which led to this crash. If cameras are installed there is a good chance another kind of cause will emerge.
@@439530 RIDICULOUS excuse, on a truck you are ON THE GROUND, you can GET OUT AND LOOK, stop and correct it as needed, on a AIRPLANE, YOU ARE IN THE AIR, CAN NOT GET OUT, TAKE WALK AROUND, LOOK and CORRECT, you have keep GUESSING, it is LIFE or DEATH, with HUNDREDS of LIVES in the air and possibly many others on the ground! It is all GREED, MONEY, PROFIT; less expense, MORE PROFIT! THINK BEFORE you say it, your explanation makes NO SENSE!!!
Bosa it’s too easy to become complacent and rely on the cameras that’s my point. If they don’t work then these pilots same as truck drivers will make a guess because they become to rely on that camera working. Is the same thing with these electronics systems in the planes a lot of times these pilots don’t even know how to fly without the electronics guidance.
Bosa There are sensors that Tell the Computers what‘s wrong and relay the info to pilots.
I just have to say your videos are well done. I know nothing about flying and haven’t flown since 1999 but the more videos I watch the more I understand.
Interesting chain of events. Thanks for another great video!!
Better each video. I like the pictures and extra content. Stellar work here. Including the actual audio from the recorders would be cool.
You put together some fantastic videos, Allec! Unfortunately, they're all tragic, but that's the point.
What if he made one of a normal perfect flight....that was 12 minutes long......wouldn't that be funny?
The crazy thing is, I don’t live to far away from where this crash was
Another great job by Mr Ibay!
This plane hit an embankment after flying at ~200 mph, yet two thirds of those aboard survived. Captain Hunt deserves a lot of credit for that.
Notable is that the wreckage is all in one place. The rear of the plane broke off, yet its front part did not skid for several hundred yards towards the runway. That suggests he had raised the nose so high that the plane was at the apex of a stall, with very little forward momentum - like a bird just before its talons grab a branch.
Notable too is that it didn't catch fire. That may be just luck, but if the front of the aircraft had in fact skidded forward, the potential for sparks would have been greater.
Thank you Alec, this was such a tragic accident 1/2 a mile from East Midlands airport they were so close to make it to the airport.
There always seem to be killer obstacles in the areas just beyond the runway ends, such as motorway/railway cuttings, hills, fuel tanks...
My father, 2 uncles, and grandparents flew into Luton Airport on a 737 that night from Palma after a Christmas holiday and were driving back home up North. My grandfather gets quite tired on long car journeys so he stopped at a service station in Northampton to have a rest. He slept for a bit but my grandmother wanted him to stay longer to have more sleep time, but decided to continue the journey from that point. At around 8:10pm, he drove past East Midlands Airport next to that embankment and got home the next day and the family found out about a plane crash just there about 15 minutes after he drove past. So if my grandfather had taken that extra sleeping time, they could've even seen this crash or had it hit them. I always drive past this crash site when I go down South and I often go to that exact service station on the way home that they had gone to.
Thanks for the story. It is amazing how some decisions we make have serious consequences, one minute here or there.
Glad your grandparents are well, and didn't get hit by this plane!
Allec, your videos continue to get better each time. One suggestion, if I may ... have someone review to check for spelling or grammar errors. You don't make many as compared to others, but a second pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. Other than that, I think you continue to do excellent work!
Neil, that is one of the most tactful, helpful and appreciative comments that I've ever read on CZcams and one can feel the genuinesness of Allec through his work. The world needs more men like you two!
Lisa D, thank you! I appreciate that.
@4assedmungoose just here to help, he is from the Phillipines.
4assedmungoose
yes, the criticism was tactful with a capital T. Good criticism is ALWAYS constructive.
Bless you and may you and yours be safe, on the ground and in the air... in fact, this goes to everybody out there.
Go with God in all you do.
another keyboard proof reader commando.STIK IT WHERE THE SUN DON'T SHINE
Great video; well produced and accurate. Pointing out a couple of facts and not placing any blame, there were two occasions to run checklists after actions had been taken to abate a perceived issue that were missed. (Perceived in that what the pilots believed was happening and what was actually happening were two different yet related issues.) After they took action to abate the issue the checklist for that issue should have been ran. In this case it may have been more prudent to take action before the checklist because of the danger to the aircraft. One checklist was never completed and the other was completed too long after the action to be of any real use. Today air crews are trained to tell ATC "we will run checklists and get back to you" before complying with additional requests not necessary to navigation or before asking for anything from ATC. In other words, besides declaring an emergency, verify and diagnose the issue first. These poor guys had ATC extend their approach, asked to call fire services directly, and more. Regardless of the outcome, these pilots did they best they could under the circumstances with the data they had IN THE COCKPIT. If the either the wrong engine had not been shut down, or their approach not been extended (neither dependent on the other) the plane would have made it to the runway. This comment is only meant to further discussion not to criticize or judge.
Thanks, Allec!
Great video.
yet still pilots cannot see their wings or engines, unreal
hobsteral planes should have Wing mirrors
Or landing gear, conveniently
Aviation industry is about ready for some wing and landing gear cams already!!
Passengers in many planes have a view of the aircraft in their in flight entertainment systems, which I think includes wings and maybe the landing gear. Do the pilots get that video feed too? If not, that would be really dumb!
@@diedrino Exactly. Basic cars have backup cams, why can't giant ass planes have engine cams?
I recall learning of this crash on the evening news here in the States. I remember the news folks saying the plane had actually hit the ground & skidded across a highway during rush hour. The amazing thing was, the plane struck NO VEHICLE'S before sliding into that damn embankment on the other side & breaking apart. Allec's video here shows the aircraft basically contacting the embankment instantly & breaking apart. I saw the "Air disasters" episode on this crash, they also depicted the aircraft hitting & then sliding across the highway. My long winded point is after viewing Allec's version I believe the aircraft hit just as the video showed, as it makes more sense after viewing the position of the wreckage at the end.
Great job young man 💪👍 As for the crash itself, lots of blame to be shared in this one. Fan blade cracks, then breaks off, on a four month old Jumbo, REALLY?? 🤬 Then the FO tells the Capt (after asked "which engine") it's the right engine, so Capt orders it shut down 🤷🏻♂️ Not thinking that's on the Capt. Passengers relay sparks coming out of left engine to stewardess, but info never relayed to Capt 😳?? Well, you get my long winded point. Bottom line is it's just sad, so very sad anyone had to die in this one 🙏😣
I've posted this comment on other Flight 92 videos.
The simulation that you see gives entirely the wrong impression. The approach to Castle Donnington/East Midlands airport is over rural Leicestershire. Kegworth (directly on the flight path) is (or was then) a small village. The simulation shows Flight 92 coming in over a heavily populated area; it was not. Most of the countryside would have been in darkness with the occasional street light.
At the time I lived about 20 miles away. My then girlfriend (now my wife) was directly involved in the aftermath. To this day she still refuses to talk about what she saw - but I know not to ask her for any details.
My thoughts and prayers have always been for those affected by this tragedy.
Great vid, tragic accident. Rest in peace to all who perished.
7:11 I’m just here wondering how ANYONE survived that.
Me too! . That's is what is incredible, that anyone survived. The Hand of God giving them more time down here.
Low speed and low fuel allowed survivors. The pilot didn't lose control, it was more of a non runway landing than an out of control spin into the ground. A large amount of luck did also play it's part. I wonder if they had cleared the embankment and made the level ground whether even more would have survived.
They survived with injuries.
The 3D airplane scene might have an accelerated speed of the plane making it look even more dramatic.
@@trishawhitehouse4226 An awful lot more people would have survived if the rescue had not of been such a disorganised shit show. There was no proper emergency service command and control in place. Hard lessons were learnt that day.
@@markrl75 Yeah, the fact that so many people survived for months before succumbing to their injuries was unusual.
Allec thanks man
They shouldn’t have been flying that airplane if they weren’t familiar with the systems
I just started watching these videos three days ago, and I am addicted. I am amazed at how much work Allec must put in to allow us to enjoy these videos. And I am really amazed at how much can be determined by investigators later on.
The confusion could have been simply avoided by the captain asking one of the Flight Attendants to go and visually look which engine is showing any signs of a malfunction! For example, smoke, any sign of fire/flames, parts visually loose or missing, or in this particular instance - sparks.
You think the Captain would think..... "Yeah, I had better be 100% certain which engine is failing, before I completely shut down one of the two engines keeping this plane in the air". 🤦♂️
We do exactly that now.
Unfortunately he would've been 100% certain, when spooling down the No2 engine stopped both the vibration and the fumes entering the cockpit.
Why not send the co pilot instead of the ginger ale distributor? This is life and death my sister.
Bill Morgan because they were dealing with what was going on in the flight deck and they thought they already)new which in it was. These days cabin crew (who’s job is much more than distributing ginger ale) are trained in identifying engines and other aircraft parts.
@@peteconrad2077 I never knew they were trained in that. I sincerely apologize. It does make sense to have them trained in mechanical aspects.
This was a really tough one to watch. The mistakes were understandable but it also seems they were preventable had the pilots taken their time to do their checklists with one running engine at cruising altitude. I imagine I would want to put that thing down ASAP if I were in that cockpit- but the checklists exist for a reason.
amarurecor You seem to be a pilot, In a twin engine commercial airline ACFT like the 737 400, what would the checklist say for a engine with Light, medium or heavy engine vibration??? they did not feel like it was smoke in the cockpit.
Would the checklist say to shut that engine down??? Especially if its a twin engine ???? That would be a fault to procedures to me.
I use to work on those engines and i did vibration debriefs from U.S. Air Force pilots 20 years ago and they did not shut there engines off. ( it was a 4 engine Boeing KC-135R though )
amarurecor
I'm not a pilot, but just the indication of smoke and vibration would have caused me to also want to land almost immediately. So say you abbreviated the check lists and landed safely. What penalty would the pilots have suffered? I'm curious.
@@watershed44 What penalties the pilots would have suffered if they " shortcut " a checklist ( which i don't know if there is one for Light- medium engine vibration ) and declared a " emergency " with the LARTCC to get to the closest available runway and did not crash the jet, killing and injuring all those people.... NONE
The hero Pilots.... would have got a Hurray, pat on the back " job well done! " free drinks at the aviator`s Pub, If or if not married... get laid by a stewardess at the Hotel afterwards. A standing ovation at the Airline, Aviation Authority, National News press release photo op. Step promotions for all the flight crew.
That did not happen after that day....
The only thing I would fault for the flight crew for is failing to "first, fly the plane". The F/O definitely hurt the situation by guessing an important answer, but the passengers didn't really help either...failing to report a $%#&ing ENGINE FIRE?!
I'm addicted with these videos
I understand and accept all the wrong assumptions and mistakes made by the flight crew except the shutting down of the right ( # 2 ) engine. I was a jet engine mechanic in the U.S. Air Force on the same type of engines that was involved in this crash, GE CFM56-2 ( bottom gearbox model on KC-135 R`s as opposed to -3 side gearbox on B-737 400 etc ). I have done vibration checks and re-stacked all 44 first stage compressor / Fan blades according to there posted weights at the blades hub locking grooves with a computer program.
If i was the Pilot / Co-pilot on that flight, even if i thought that engine was vibing and sending burnt smells up the bleed valve ducts, If i throttled back and smells, vibrations went away ( or less ) i would of kept that engine going at a lower power setting and closed that engines bleed valve to the environmental system.
Why ???
You only got two engines!!! i would rather have a sick engine at low power running and risk it catastrophic failing ( shelling out ) costing the company a 4 million dollar engine than deal with unbalanced asymmetric thrust on one side during slow speed for and during landing , crashing and costing the company a 50 million or so dollar plane and all those people dying and injured. That's what i was thinking as it was unfolding in this video.
I am not a arm chair Keyboard pilot talking after the fact....
I've been on A320 which ingested a large bird during take off roll and it caused a burning smell in the cabin and a lot of vibration. The pilots throttled it back to idle I believe instead of shutting it down completely. I could still feel it vibrating a bit.
@@nighttrain1236 That's my point. Those breed of engines are tough, not the fragile types of the old days.
It's just right to shutdown a malfunctioning engine, especially if they thought that it's on fire because if this continues to run even in low power, it may result to a catastrophic engine failure. This failure isn't only expensive, but also dangerous. It may result to damage in the wing or worse, in the hydraulic systems.
@@Ellipsard
Or a big chunk of Titanium Blade going through the fuselage and hitting injuring or killing passengers ( it happens over the years ). I still would of kept it going.
20 years ago, when i started working on those engines, i was told they cost 4 million U.S. dollars by GE representative. Human life is more costly.
The fire loop ( sensors around the engine case that sense fire ) did not go off... so there was no fire, Not yet in my mind at the time ( if i was pilot ). At start up of engine, there always is a slight smell of jet fuel burning in the vents from engine air blowing into the A/C system, not to be used as a indication of fire around the outer casing of a jet engine ( a compressor stall or engine surge maybe ). The Vibration went down it seems to nothing when they throttled back the #2 engine. ( it was the left engine , # 1 acting up and still running )
I would of still run the engine till touchdown on the runway.
@@leonswan6733 you're absolutely right . It was wrong to believe that eng2 had a fire . Nowadays with ECAM and other computer systems probably we can avoid misinterpretations like these . Thank you for sharing your opinion.
Nice videos keep it up
I worked with a company that had connection to aircraft accidents and mental health. One could see the common adversarial position companies take by laying blame on employees to reduce their liability. I have always wondered what happens to health care of the flight crew if they are fired? This situation may not be best because of British health care but if anyone wants to chime in WHO HAS ACTUAL KNOWLEDGE I would appreciate. I felt on wrong side myself.
And amazingly no traffic was passing on the motorway at that time.
Jackomac43 Lord knows what more of a mess that would have been!😫
I live near the airport. Local press has always reported that motorists on the M1 saw the airliner, realised it wasnt going to make it, and were able to slow down and stop the traffic behind them using their hazzard blinkers.
Something as important as an engine fire, and they just kind of guessed. Sad.
I can see that on the face of it it looks that way, but delving deeper they didn't just 'kind of guess'. Boeing had changed the layout of the engine instrumentation on the 400 series (making it much less intuitive, as the AAIB report concluded), but sold it to customers as not needing conversion training for crews already certified on the 300 (does that sound familiar, in the midst of the MAX debacle?) Instead of two rows of engine one instruments on the left side of the engine panel and two rows of engine two instruments on the right, this aircraft - from left to right - had one row for engine one, one row for engine two, another row for engine one and another for engine two - the vibration indicator for the left engine being located on the right side of the panel.
Even in normal flight conditions there is rarely time to study gauges, reading any text on or around each gauge to confirm which gauge it is. The First Officer will have scanned them, finding an abnormal reading on the gauge he had every reason to believe (in lieu of the time to study it he didn't have the luxury of) related to the No2 (right) engine. The Captain, who would've been quite busy himself at the time and not able to check for himself (that's why there are 2 flight crew), could only act on the information given to him. That this information was correct was apparently 'confirmed' by both the vibration and fumes (ie every indication that there was a problem at all) lessening when the No2 engine was spooled down.
The crew DID make errors - in an extremely stressful and time-sensitive situation, and on an aircraft they were (led to believe they were) familiar with. What excuse do Boeing's and BM's management have for theirs? Rhetorical question btw - sales and cost-cutting respectively.
Very well done !!!
I have watched many of these videos and it seems that priority one would be to get it on the nearest landing strip with the logic that "any" fire will damage more controls as precious minutes tick by and the choice in this instance should have been to clear the nearer landing strip. Minutes to seconds always saves lives, but I have seen so many choices of delay in the air to land when problems arise. SAD.
Thanks Allec, thank you for uploading this video, I didn’t know that the right engine also failed, I thought only the left engine failed.
The right engine did not fail. The crew misinterpreted the engine instruments and shut down the wrong engine.
David Hoffman, what?
@@sunnyfon9065 ,
The crew was not well trained on this version of the 737 and made incorrect assumptions about which engine was failing based on how older 737 versions were configured.
David Hoffman, did they actually accidentally shut down the right engine?
@@sunnyfon9065 ,
Accidentally? Mistakenly would be a better description of what they did. They misinterpreted the information provided by the engine instruments and mistakenly concluded that the right engine was vibrating and creating smoke that went into the aircraft cabin air supply.
So close to making some sort of crash landing on the runway approach. I remember seeing this on the news at the time, the impact with the bank literally a few yards from relative safety was brutally tragic. RIP all who perished.
Very good video and sorry for the souls
I was at University at the Sutton Bonington campus right under the glide path about 3 miles from the airport. We heard the vibration and strange sound from the engine as the plane flew over us. We rushed outside to see. We found pieces of engine on our campus the next day and cycled up to the bridge over the M1 and saw the crash site. A very sobering experience. Strangely, I was on a United flight from Denver to Boston last month that suffered engine failure on the port side. The pilot shut the engine down and I think he lost a bit of control in extra turbulence. It’s sounds silly, but we rolled and pitched and dropped like a stone. We all thought we were going down. I’m a frequent flier and am very calm. Everyone on my row had our phones out with goodbye texts ready to send. Seriously. It was awful. It sounds overly dramatic but I can honestly say that I now know, even if it was momentary, how it feels to think your plane is going down. That momentary realization and the surge of adrenaline as your heart pounds in your chest. I wouldn’t wish it on anyone. I shook me up for weeks. The pilot barked ‘attendants. Seats. Prepare for emergency landing’ and fire trucks chased us down the runway at O hare. We waited to see if fire was going to break out and we were ready to evacuate. Thankfully we were ok and able to disembark normally. But I did think of the BM crash I’d seen all those years ago and was thankful our team picked the right engine.
I remember this accident vividly.. It was the year I moved to London and I knew a FA who worked for BM and she had worked with a the crew of this flight..
I am so happy that so many people were able to survive this.
Good video. I guess I'm a little surprised that the pilots do not have a better way of knowing which engine is having problems. The pilots had to guess based on past experience. This isn't right. The plane's systems should be able to tell them which engine has a problem.
Crazy story. I remember watching an Air crash investigation on it! Not an expert, but probably should've kept the right engine on idle the entire time, just in cace...
i am so sorry the dear captain ended up paralyzed but I am so glad he is alive!
I really feel bad for the First Officer, he will live with that guilt for his entire life and both men did their best and what they felt was right. All things lined up to keep making them think it was the right choice until the very last minute when it was too late. Yes, they made a mistake, a bad one and it cost people their lives, but we all screw up. In certain jobs, those screw ups can kill people. I hope all the families were able to forgive them and accept they didnt do it with malice it was a mistake that had reinforcing signs that could have fooled anyone in that stressful situation (ever been in a plane with a surging or stalling engine? It shakes your entire visual field, its likely he couldnt see the readout properly and said right because the display was on the right).
And why nobody talking about the blade in malfunctioning engine? Engines dont just malfunction out of the blue, surely that was someone's mistake too, and the main one, as it started the whole crisis. But nobody commenting on it, instead focusing on the pilot error only
We should thank God that 79 people survived. I wouldn’t expect to find survivors. Thank God.
This video is slightly spoiled by the background scenery images. Rural north Leicestershire (which Flight 92 flew over) is sparsely populated with small villages (such as Kegworth) the largest town Flight 92 could have seen that night would have been Loughborough which is still a relatively small place. The video makes it look like Flight 92 was flying over a densely populated area - it was not.
A couple of places you refer to "Castledon approach". It is Castle Donnington, not Castledon.
Flight 92 crashed into sloped, raised earth banks alongside the M1 motorway. Even after the wreckage had been cleared, and for a few years later, the scar of the crash site was still visible where the trees had been torn down. That part of the M1 has been redeveloped now and the earth banking no longer exists so it is hard to tell exactly where Flight 92 crashed.
My wife was part of the emergency medical response. To this day she will not discuss what she saw that night; it is far too traumatic for her still.
May the 47 passengers who lost their lives Rest In Peace.
chap666ish my mum lives in Kegworth, right under the flight path. She lives near the field where the plane first came down before coming back up to crash into the embankment of the m1 and a453. Her neighbour told me that she witnessed the plane coming down.
@@jemmajenkins6212 Must have been traumatic for you mum's neighbour.
The plane was so close to the runway😢😢😢
Sadly I remember this at the time,so sad that they were so close to the runway...
It’s now 2018 and WHY the industry has not installed small cameras on the airframe so that pilots can see the condition of the engines is a god damned shame! A friggin go pro camera on each pylon with a Bluetooth feed to the pilots electronic flight bag, shit I could do that for under a thousand dollars! Infrared Even!
Secondly: there’s diagnostic checklist in the QRH (quick reference handbook) obviously not used!
They had smoke in the cabin and the cockpit, but the pilots never consulted the lead flight attendant to learn of cabin smoke. The 737-400 probably has EICAS, as if they ever used it!
This was an accident that did not need to happen and I’d have fired them both too!
Lesson learned from all Josh’s videos: Everything goes to shit at 3000 feet!
Jon - You want belly cameras and topside cameras too, directional, but by default pointing at the tail. I agree there's no excuse for not having them, when you have Google Earth giving you 360 views of shopping mall parking lots for free, capable of reading street addresses and shop signs in Tokyo and all around the world. Wi-fi so no wires are cut or burned. But I think what bothers me most is running a flight with pilots who either a) are not familiar with the airplane, and/or b) rely way too much on the electronics, to the point where, if you shut them all off, the pilot could not land the plane. They talk about cockpit management and cabin communications, when they should be talking more about pilot management and pilot communication with the plane's "features" (which apparently will override and nullify pilot input). Also, a simple purely mechanical bubble level in the cockpit so they can read pitch and roll (re: Air France crash into the Atlantic).
Good job on the video, taking it from start to accident to aftermath.
I have been saying that idea for the cameras years ago. They are cheap today even. Next is all commercial aircraft should be equipped with a FLIR !!!! ( Forward Looking Infra-Red camera and screens ). Tired of hearing planes full of civilian passengers splattered on top of a mountain.
Right? My Toyota comes with a backup camera as standard equipment.
Gazorpa Zorp sadly it took enough parents with dead kids from car backups to have it standard on every model.
Dave Smith. Spirit levels are useless in aircraft. Fluids level out perpendicular to the resultant force acting upon them. In an aircraft you're not just contending with gravity but also the g-forces created by the motion of the aircraft.
Can you please do the horizon airline flight that Richard Russel hijacked? Love your vids they’re so interesting to watch but it’s sad under the circumstances 😞
When one think the aircraft is on fire, beside reading the instrument panel is to get any crew to look out through the windows to check the running condition of the engine. This is visual check. This routine could safe the aircraft.
I remember this accident it happened not long after the tragic lockerbie bombing of the Pan-am flight, i can't believe the passengers didn't tell the flight crew about the sparks from the engine, or the captain or first officer coming down the isle of the plane & checking on the condition of the engine,i know everything is easier with hindsight but think how many lives would have been saved. R.I.P All those souls.
In several videos, a lack of communication between cabin crew and cockpit has made matters worse. Certainly it was a huge factor here!
i like it good job.
Sometimes those last minute changes can make it or break it in situations. Possibly if passengers that saw something going on with left engine might have mentioned it. Again too many "ifs" to sort thru. Video well done
Every crash seems to have 5 things or more that went wrong......this kid makes great videos huh? Lets send him some coin!
Again pilot error.....they just assumed....did not make sure.....fatal mistake....passengers failed to report also that sparks were coming from left side not right.....it was the "perfect storm" situation unfortunately...
There is a phrase for that... It requires multiple failure points to all happen, that if just one or more was caught, would have prevented complete failure. I forgot what it was called.
1 = if the blade didn't break = no crash.
2 = if the crew shut down the correct engine = no crash
3 = if the passengers said something = no crash
4 = if he didn't throttle up the bad engine = no crash
5 = if the gauges / aircraft provided more info = no crash
6 = If the pilot was properly trained about the air-intake of both engines = no crash.
7 = if the failing engine actually was the Right engine = no crash.
Each crash = lesson learned.
its called the perfect storm......
@@katekay634 that is one of them...
But the thing is, there is no escaping The Perfect Storm.
There is another phrase that engineers use in regarding mechanical and user failures.
The only other one I can think of is the 'Swiss cheese' model. Where each 'layer' is a particular object or process, which can have various 'holes' (something wrong) in it. There can be various holes in many layers, but they don't line up, so nothing happens. But when they all do line up, there is an accident.
@@Gee403 I think that's it.
Amazed anyone survived
What is the delicate music that always plays at the end of these videos?
Captain Hunt asked him which engine was causing the problem...and the F/O guessed, and the captain accepted the guess. I don't like it when people guess when you need an answer. Irritates me. Youre not getting paid to guess. Youre getting paid to answer the question, which in this case was "I dont know". Might have had a different outcome if hed said that
Raptango_NA • Yes and he started saying Left but said Right which revealed he was confused. For me, that’s the stickler right there. He by gosh KNEW he was confused and at that point he himself should have taken steps to further inspect for the problem.
Some idiots think 50/50 are acceptable odds. Those same idiots are unable to contemplate 100% odds as they being Idiots accept getting it wrong from time to time. Our Democrats in America can't even get it right half the time. Why is that? You know it because they are guessing and making things up as they go along...
@@ioccatonyz1 lol i'm sorry i didn't realize this was a video about politics
@@JonathanPoto some people just can't help but make idiots of themselves. 😆
@@ioccatonyz1 Clearly, if there had been Republicans in that British cockpit, everything would have been just fine. Alas.
My parents knew one of the people on the plane, luckily he survived
ur vids are awesome even though you use an old flight sim
Are there cameras now in planes that can be used to check these types of troubles? Simliar to the side mirrors if a car
Do you have the Cebu Pacific Flight 5J-387? it's an interesting story
I have noticed on several of these videos that gauges is misspelled as guages
Imagine just driving down the highway and a plane comes crashing down right towards you... It's crazy what happens in our world sometimes and how unlucky people are.
hi joshua! greetings can you put the link of the plane addon you're using? or youtube doesnt allow?
Make VARIG 820, please!!! Congrats from Brazil!!!
Sad story but, understandable ☹️
None reporting there was something wrong with the engines, it’s ridiculous. It’s about the safety man, SAFETY.
Excellent video of a notorious accident, a few spelling mistakes but otherwise good.
In the UK, there has been much analysis of this accident for several reasons and not just in to the cause. Boeing came under much criticism for new glass cockpit which reduced the size of engine instruments so that the ones needed were not clear to read. CFM came under criticism for the engine failure.
But the biggest investigation was into the cabin interior. Whilst over half the passengers initially survived and there was no fire the injuries were horrendous and people were trapped. The fuselage broke into three and there was no difficulty in getting into the wreckage. However, the way the seats had collapsed pinned people in the wreck.
A major TV documentary looked at this subject and as a result seats have been redesigned to prevent this.
andy lots of grammar errors in your comment
3rd. Also this is a very interesting video. I still felt pretty sad.
no visual check from the cabin. just guessing. fine, give the first officer 10k to walk away. just don't schedule him on any flight i'm on.
This showed up on my TV
One has to wonder if information overload is at least partially responsible for aviation disasters such as this one.
Yes, like make a test call to the fire team - to which there was no reply. The twat who sent that message should go on a Priorities Management Course. It's not the only one of these (excellent) posts where ATC fail to appreciate the nature of a declared emergency and waste time with inane comments and requests.
Left side! Wait no....right side
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Exactly!!!! Utterly CONFUSED!!!
I understand pulling back for more gliding but then you risk stalling so it wouod make no odds
I have a request Allec and a crash that nobodies ever covered before: Britannia Airways Flight 226A (probably the last major UK involved aircraft crash asides from the 777 incident at LHR a few years back)
I have heard of that. I will be doing it one day :)
@@AllecJoshuaIbay You would be the only flight accident channel and original if you did Trans Caribbean Airways Flight 505.... aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=19701228-1
omg allec! thankyou so much! @@AllecJoshuaIbay
Why aircrafts are not equipped with one 160° camera on top of the tail facing forward and another on the fuselage top of the cockpit facing back? Cameras are the size of a pea now-a-days but they are little marvels. We see them everywhere now, from racing bikes to city polls and even in my house as a security measure. I bet this addition to safety on airplanes would help to clarify many different cases of doubt. For sure this would be one!
So sad.
I.. have to say a few odd things.
I do feel horrible about the Pilot.
But.. even though its been 30yrs.. since thats happened, Im stunned at exactly how MUCH of the plane is actually visible. There is the entire rear section, stabilizer and all. The wings are visible.. as is a large section of the Fuelsalage. I dont remember the last time I saw a plane.. with that much at a site.
As far as comparable...
I appreciate The Flight Channel.. becaue it gives a bit more info.
Usually they give out the ages n info on pilots. How many flying hours on what type of plane.
Ya get the Plane info.. and how it started out...
As soon as I saw the photos I knew where this was going
Seems rather odd that both these pilots failed to actually learn and understand the mechanical systems involved. They could’ve just flipped a coin...
I wasn’t ready for the crash part. I literally jumped.