I work right next to that end of the runway... I walked up one of the embankments this morning, was a beautiful morning, a very steep walk, , a stone-throw from the impact position, and said a prayer for those who were traumatised, or who lost their lives ...🙏 I could see where it happened from up there.. I see planes taking off and landing right over my head, our building shakes and rumbles every time .... Those embankments are easily a 45° gradient , that was why the fuel ran down so quickly away from the plane.. thankfully, for all those who survived the crash, and all of those Service people who were there to help... Great documentary
I don't think so. I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged - so did obviously around 100 passengers and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and important designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the image plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that. Besides it would depend on "wiretapping" laws to make that legal while flying over different nations.
My grandad was a Nottinghamshire firefighter and was called out to this event. He was the engine driver, and whilst he hasn’t ever told me about what he saw, I respect his decision not to discuss it. What things awful he must have seen.
What I don't understand is some of these passengers said they saw flames coming out of the left engine, well why did they not tell the air crew. That could of saved a grave mistake, by the pilots.
Bystander effect and the false assurance that the pilots did the right thing. As mentioned, the vibrations got better and the flames stopped once they went into descend.
I think it's just sad that no more than 124 people knew that the wrong engine had been shut down, and no one did anything because they assumed that pilots know what they are doing don't make mistakes. As a result of this assumption, 47 people died, and others were seriously injured, some with life altering injuries such as the Captain, who broke his back.
Wait you were a passenger there? If so oh my god, it just hurts to think what you might feel if you ever drove down that section of the M1 again... hey I was here in a plane once...
It's a good thing they decided not to put external cameras on jetliners, in order to view the engines in case of fire. That will save the airlines a few thousand dollars per aircraft, which could, in turn, raise prices by 50 cents (or maybe a dollar) per airline ticket. It's worth the risk to human life, if you ask me.
I agree...but hey...shouldn't their instruments tell them that? Poor training I'd say: Did a course and yet no-one mentioned the air change input from right to left engine on that model. And why didn't the perfectly adequate instruments inform them that the thrust from Engine 2 was normal?... i.e. NOT on fire....after all, the fire is fuelled by the fuel..... If there is a fire, the fuel is not reaching the engine so thrust must be reduced... No?
Even the cockpit lay out is not Human Centric. Research with Iris scanning has shown that Airbus pilots scan their instruments better than B737 pilots.
If I'd been unlucky enough to be a passenger and I'd seen engine flames from the window I'd have been banging on the captain's door or made one of the Cain crew to inform him - although I'm sure the commentator said that the four of them knew. It was their job to inform the pilot he'd shut off the wrong engine and yet they did nothing, yet all those innocent passengers died in a horrific way. Absolutely disgusting.
I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged or faulty - so did obviously around 100 passengers (those who could see it) and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and modern designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the images plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that.
I knew a ex RAF pilot (commercial) who reported the following to me. The Captain was TOLD by the steward (do you not think that this si so from seeing the video by the way?) who was gay that the No 1 engine had flames coming out of it, the Captain who was anti-gay roundly ignored his report which may have saved the disaster from happening. That is the one single probably homophobic fact that never comes out of the woodwork. I am not sure what point in the flight the report occurred and if it was on the CVR loop which overwrote itself I think after 20 mins...
Rubbish: The Concorde was a completely different situation. Even if they could see the engine in real-time: There was nothing they could do: Take-off speed, V1 & Rotate point had long passed. They were committed to doing their best: But the aircraft was doomed. Do you really believe watching a TV screen in the cockpit would have saved that incident? Amongst the myriad of other inputs and instruments, they have to monitor? Sloppy runway maintenance caused the Concorde crash: Don't blame the plane or the pilots. Issues with the tyres were well known: The Golden Rule was: No debris on the runway. EVER. Someone forgot.
In order to restart a jet engine, you have to be within a "flight envelope" which means the plane has to be at a certain range of altitude and airspeed to successfully get an engine to light up. Unfortunately, they were too low and their airspeed was also too low to get it going again. Usually between 15,000-10,000 feet would be an ideal altiitude to restart
@@barefooboy17 Thanks for the info. You're talking about ideal conditions. That is, ideal for a restart. But this wasn't ideal! It was do or die! They tried to restart, but it failed. A jet engine can start up on the ground. (otherwise you couldn't take off! Duh). So what was the problem? The airspeed was 150 mph. That ought to be fast enough to get the fan turning? Shutting down the wrong engine wouldn't have mattered if they could have restarted it. No-one would have even noticed. Or died. It seems very odd to me.
@@daviniarobbins9298 Really. I'm not sure. But they can certainly be re-started in flight, as was demonstrated by the Jumbo jet that experienced a loss of all 4 engines due to volcanic dust, & were all re-started. Thankfully!
Some things don't add up here. In order to make a decision as to which engine to shut down ALL engine indications should be checked/scanned. There are numerous checklists for engine shut down depending on the infight situation, this crew where poorly trained by the looks of things. A differences course which would have been carried out here for this crew would have addressed the issues re the environmental system/s so the whole disaster was very poorly handled!
The precautions you mention were probably implemented as a result of this crash. This was 1989. I know there were many recommendations and regulations brought in as a result of this accident
One of the recommendations was that children should sit in their own seat and not on a mothers lap with a seat belt extension ,hasn't happened though has it.
The B737 is a cheap cash cow for the companies but is in fact a big hoax of which the design goes back to the early '50ths. (The predecessor of the 707 was intended as Air Refueling Tanker) It is ridiculous that even after 5 generations the run away trim stab problem even exisists. (!!!!!) That one loses the Yaw Damper when switching to Aux Power is too crazy for words. Non B737 is flyable without Yaw Damper. (An eventual catastrophic) Dutch Roll is inevatable. (After 3 rewingings???) In the US up to 80 Trim Stab Run Aways/yr (!!!!) and even 5-6 (!!!) Trim Stab Jack Screw Stucks a year. In modern standards the B737 is a betrayal to pilots.
2:39 is this a serious picture? I mean, that dude on the left is either 10 feet tall or the guy on right is like 2 feet tall. Do they make booster seats for pilots? How would he reach the floor, let alone the rudder pedals?
Floods tears- was there as medic- off duty but lived close.sped up road to bridge. Haunted still as were/are many- blessings to all those who were there from Leicester derby nottingham ambulance AnE,police, and fire service- and the receiving staff back at the relative AnEs . Blessings to the survivors and relatives who were bereaved.
Charlie Day the person who uploaded this documentary is actually a survivor on Flight 92.
My mum was on here way home from work and helped passengers medically
Prove it. Because it's so easy to make that claim online. Anyone- including myself could say that and expect people to believe it face value.
I like how the number of comments are 92
Bless her.
I work right next to that end of the runway... I walked up one of the embankments this morning, was a beautiful morning, a very steep walk, , a stone-throw from the impact position, and said a prayer for those who were traumatised, or who lost their lives ...🙏
I could see where it happened from up there..
I see planes taking off and landing right over my head, our building shakes and rumbles every time ....
Those embankments are easily a 45° gradient , that was why the fuel ran down so quickly away from the plane.. thankfully, for all those who survived the crash, and all of those Service people who were there to help...
Great documentary
RIP Kevin Hunt he honestly went to his grave thinking he did absolutely everything possible to save all who died, RIP everyone involved.
When did he die?
These old UK commercials are something else.
😂😂😂 I know right
Unbelieveable that no one mentioned the flames to the cabin crew, Damned sure I would have said something!
This crash is one of the reasons CRM is now applied to cabin crew too, not just the pilots.
I don't think so. I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged - so did obviously around 100 passengers and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and important designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the image plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that. Besides it would depend on "wiretapping" laws to make that legal while flying over different nations.
People did. The crew didn't pass it onwards because they assumed the pilot's knew.
My grandad was a Nottinghamshire firefighter and was called out to this event. He was the engine driver, and whilst he hasn’t ever told me about what he saw, I respect his decision not to discuss it. What things awful he must have seen.
My grandad also attended this disaster as a junior fireman. It haunts him to this day. So sad
Pentium 4 processor... That takes me back!
The commercials are gold. Tripping out.
At the very start it said West Midlands runway 1 when Kegworth is in the East Midlands near East Midlabds Airport in Leicestershire
Also the runway is 27
thanks Charlie.
30 years ago now :(
1989-2019
I love these commercials. Thank you for leaving them in lmfao
Oh dear Mr. Largedick, oh dear. Are you really the son of Mr. Largedick?
Don’t we all, not like it takes a few mins to edit them out
What I don't understand is some of these passengers said they saw flames coming out of the left engine, well why did they not tell the air crew. That could of saved a grave mistake, by the pilots.
It's known as the Bystander Effect - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bystander_effect
WEST Midlands Airport? Seriously?
Bystander effect and the false assurance that the pilots did the right thing. As mentioned, the vibrations got better and the flames stopped once they went into descend.
the cabin crew assumed the pilots knew which engine it was
Why are you blaming the victims of a horrific crash. That takes some nerve on your part and is out of line.
I think it's just sad that no more than 124 people knew that the wrong engine had been shut down, and no one did anything because they assumed that pilots know what they are doing don't make mistakes. As a result of this assumption, 47 people died, and others were seriously injured, some with life altering injuries such as the Captain, who broke his back.
🐑
Can't believe the documentaries at the time had commercials in them
Once on tv commercial.included
same today
Wait you were a passenger there? If so oh my god, it just hurts to think what you might feel if you ever drove down that section of the M1 again... hey I was here in a plane once...
Money, money. Had the pilots been trained properly on this new airplane, things might of turned out differently.
They said that even the cabin crew could see the left engine on fire so why didn’t they inform the pilots??
Seniority, back then it was different - the industry has learned from this
@@MHWRESTLIN true.
I was part of the ambulance crews involved in the rescue operation.... The most harrowing experience of my career 😪
You are a good one like none. We thank you
LRI??
It's a good thing they decided not to put external cameras on jetliners, in order to view the engines in case of fire. That will save the airlines a few thousand dollars per aircraft, which could, in turn, raise prices by 50 cents (or maybe a dollar) per airline ticket. It's worth the risk to human life, if you ask me.
Outside cameras would freeze and fail to work in sub zero temperatures thousands of meters in the air.
what is this internet thing Hagrid speaks of?
Just a suggestion have the VHS tape converted to digital and eliminate the last 15 minutes of video noise.
We enjoy it this way
End with 10 minutes
Just move on
41:53 is gut wrenching. Poor dog.
weird seeing Hagrid in a tv commercial😊
All for want of eye-ballinq enqines to see w/one was on fire. Makes me sick.
I agree...but hey...shouldn't their instruments tell them that?
Poor training I'd say:
Did a course and yet no-one mentioned the air change input from right to left engine on that model.
And why didn't the perfectly adequate instruments inform them that the thrust from Engine 2 was normal?...
i.e. NOT on fire....after all, the fire is fuelled by the fuel.....
If there is a fire, the fuel is not reaching the engine so thrust must be reduced... No?
Even the cockpit lay out is not Human Centric. Research with Iris scanning has shown that Airbus pilots scan their instruments better than B737 pilots.
Thank you for your service in the army.
If I'd been unlucky enough to be a passenger and I'd seen engine flames from the window I'd have been banging on the captain's door or made one of the Cain crew to inform him - although I'm sure the commentator said that the four of them knew. It was their job to inform the pilot he'd shut off the wrong engine and yet they did nothing, yet all those innocent passengers died in a horrific way. Absolutely disgusting.
there was much more to it than that I knew a chain of pilots connected to this event see my earlier comments
Always trust your instruments.
0:49 I can. You were sitting in the right place and they were sitting in the wrong place, unfortunately.
I would have assumed in a modern airplane the instruments tell the pilots which of two engines are damaged or faulty - so did obviously around 100 passengers (those who could see it) and the cabin crew. Sometimes majorities can be wrong and modern designs beyond stupid. The easiest way is to install little PC sized cameras to "deliver" the images plus other information onto a video screen in the cockpit. But who am I to say that.
I knew a ex RAF pilot (commercial) who reported the following to me. The Captain was TOLD by the steward (do you not think that this si so from seeing the video by the way?) who was gay that the No 1 engine had flames coming out of it, the Captain who was anti-gay roundly ignored his report which may have saved the disaster from happening. That is the one single probably homophobic fact that never comes out of the woodwork. I am not sure what point in the flight the report occurred and if it was on the CVR loop which overwrote itself I think after 20 mins...
Ain't nuthin compared to the air France Concorde incident on pilots being able. to view the engines for themselves!!!
Rubbish: The Concorde was a completely different situation.
Even if they could see the engine in real-time: There was nothing they could do: Take-off speed, V1 & Rotate point had long passed.
They were committed to doing their best: But the aircraft was doomed.
Do you really believe watching a TV screen in the cockpit would have saved that incident?
Amongst the myriad of other inputs and instruments, they have to monitor?
Sloppy runway maintenance caused the Concorde crash:
Don't blame the plane or the pilots.
Issues with the tyres were well known:
The Golden Rule was: No debris on the runway. EVER.
Someone forgot.
An engine fire is outside the crew's training and experience? Really?
Carmelo Turdo I know! It was 1989 tho
Far too many ads spoil the broth.
Why can't you restart an engine in flight? And isn't 150 mph fast enough to bump start?
In order to restart a jet engine, you have to be within a "flight envelope" which means the plane has to be at a certain range of altitude and airspeed to successfully get an engine to light up. Unfortunately, they were too low and their airspeed was also too low to get it going again. Usually between 15,000-10,000 feet would be an ideal altiitude to restart
@@barefooboy17 Thanks for the info. You're talking about ideal conditions. That is, ideal for a restart. But this wasn't ideal! It was do or die! They tried to restart, but it failed. A jet engine can start up on the ground. (otherwise you couldn't take off! Duh). So what was the problem? The airspeed was 150 mph. That ought to be fast enough to get the fan turning? Shutting down the wrong engine wouldn't have mattered if they could have restarted it. No-one would have even noticed. Or died. It seems very odd to me.
@@missasinenomine I may be wrong here but in order for a planes engines to be started on the ground requires outside help.
@@daviniarobbins9298 Really. I'm not sure. But they can certainly be re-started in flight, as was demonstrated by the Jumbo jet that experienced a loss of all 4 engines due to volcanic dust, & were all re-started. Thankfully!
Was that a Malaysia airlines plane at 26:58?
Yes it was
Narrated by the young Martin Bashir.....
What a nice human-being he turned out to be, eh?
Thats rite expose mikey holdin hands on shoppin spree..for Michael to not think that would look weird. What dirty family of sleep over
Some things don't add up here. In order to make a decision as to which engine to shut down ALL engine indications should be checked/scanned. There are numerous checklists for engine shut down depending on the infight situation, this crew where poorly trained by the looks of things. A differences course which would have been carried out here for this crew would have addressed the issues re the environmental system/s so the whole disaster was very poorly handled!
The precautions you mention were probably implemented as a result of this crash. This was 1989. I know there were many recommendations and regulations brought in as a result of this accident
One of the recommendations was that children should sit in their own seat and not on a mothers lap with a seat belt extension ,hasn't happened though has it.
The B737 is a cheap cash cow for the companies but is in fact a big hoax of which the design goes back to the early '50ths. (The predecessor of the 707 was intended as Air Refueling Tanker) It is ridiculous that even after 5 generations the run away trim stab problem even exisists. (!!!!!) That one loses the Yaw Damper when switching to Aux Power is too crazy for words. Non B737 is flyable without Yaw Damper. (An eventual catastrophic) Dutch Roll is inevatable. (After 3 rewingings???) In the US up to 80 Trim Stab Run Aways/yr (!!!!) and even 5-6 (!!!) Trim Stab Jack Screw Stucks a year. In modern standards the B737 is a betrayal to pilots.
East Midlands runway 27
2:39 is this a serious picture? I mean, that dude on the left is either 10 feet tall or the guy on right is like 2 feet tall. Do they make booster seats for pilots? How would he reach the floor, let alone the rudder pedals?
Dumkopf! They are standing on the stairs then used for boarding. The photo is taken from the side of those stairs.
I think that is after the accident (the captain was left in a wheelchair but I don't know if permanently)
The picture was taken after the accident and the pilot was in a wheelchair with the co-pilot standing next to him.
Those blue people, ah the memories.
Whybhe not say so i would have time to shout.sir sir itscleftvhand engine.
Morbidologist DYIN to have livestream cabins..sickos
Floods tears- was there as medic- off duty but lived close.sped up road to bridge. Haunted still as were/are many- blessings to all those who were there from Leicester derby nottingham ambulance AnE,police, and fire service- and the receiving staff back at the relative AnEs . Blessings to the survivors and relatives who were bereaved.
Oh shit so jjba was right
UJL
Sorry....Ahh..The Blue Men group were so 'cool'. lol
Well, at least some good came from all this after all!
Aeroplanes dont bounce off ther ground like basket balls. FFS.
Pilots were at fault ! Incompetent pilots !!
YU DID NOT GET RID OF THE COMMERCIALS duhhhhh Spiteful thing to do
I enjoyed them! They took me back to my teenage years!
I enjoyed them, misery arse
YOU DIDN’T GET THE MEMO THAT IT IS YOU NOT YU
The commercials were fine, bit of nostalgia.
These pilots should not have a driver's license never mind a pilots license