lee hobbs nah bro, both passports are different I saw it. One said republic of people’s China (Mainland China) and Republic of China (Taiwan) and I can be sure to you that Taiwan is nothing like China. Besides I believe that Taiwan ain’t China
As a multi engine flight instructor, I make all of my students watch the dashcam video of this accident before I conduct their training on one engine inoperative (OEI). This is to emphasize the critical nature of identifying the correct engine, which is what the crew in the doomed flight failed to do properly. Excellent video as always.
How do they shut the wrong one down? What are they doing just flipping a coin and hoping it's the right one? I find it crazy a pilot with as many hours as this crew could do such a thing :O
@@dingledangle265 Watch the Flight Channel video on British Midland 91 - where two experienced, well trained European pilots flying a brand new 737 did exactly that. They applied their skill and experience to this 'simple' problem and got it completely wrong.
@@alastairbarkley6572 The greatest air disaster - so far - was captained by Van Zandt, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines’ top training pilot. He was desperate to get his plane to V1 before his crew's time expired. Well, he made it.
@@sporkybutterz Yeah, they didn't entirely trust their instruments, as the ventilation system on the previous model 737 was operated only by one of the engines, whereas the new model they were flying, it was fed by both. Based on smoke smell through the A/C, they used their instincts and shut down the wrong engine.
@@bazil83 But when they shut down the engine the smoke stopped, which confirmed their action, the other engine was still running until just before landing. It was quite different to this incident overall.
As an AMT (aviation maintenance technician) i have been baffled by a great many things during my 33 years in aviation but this one, is right at the top of my list of "WTF!"
shutting down the wrong engine causing a stall. The passengers... Dead because of that little misunderstanding and unprofessionalism... Appreciate that you're alive...
You would think survival instinct alone would command a more attentive performance from the pilots -- it's almost as if they didn't care if they died, let alone the passengers behind them.
The dash cam footage of this is crazy, the driver and passenger in the taxi it took out thankfully survived, RIP to those who didn’t make it, such a terrible tragedy!
the only reason they did is because the airspeed was low (stall; maybe 80-90 knots?) and the fuselage avoided the bridge and ended up in impacting mud banks and the river
WOW, did those pilots do "anything" right?! This is the best channel without a doubt as it goes into so much details. This video has made me angry with those pilots though, so many mistakes!
I was privileged to sit in the cockpit of a Southwest flight, by invitation (flight attendant told pilot that I was heard listening to VASaviation, Flight Channel. I told them I pray before every flight. They said, 'That we don't crash?' I said, 'No, that you follow every checklist no matter how experienced, respond to every emergency with your utmost experience.'
Yes, the copilot did some things right.He said « wait » when the captain said he will close the power lever of N 1, which is the right thing to do in this situation on the ATR: wait.Then he did some procedures.To his credit also he was a captain flying as copilot so he wasn’t in his usual seat and function, which makes it difficult especially in an emergency.The captain however was beyond useless, he did everything wrong.
C'mon there are only two engines operating. I've seen failure to identify a faulty engine when there are four engines operating, but two? Before I go messing around with turning engines off I better be damn sure I have the right one.
What really irks me is that they didn't even have to turn the engine off. It was already feathered! All they needed to do was declare an emergency and move back to the airport and land on one GOOD engine. They overcomplicated an emergency, failed to fly the airplane and killed a bunch of people. They must have been under the mentality that "Plane crashes don't happen to me". Just a shame.
@Shawn Huffman how does this happen??? Seems even a rookie without a license would have done a better job. I am saddened to see how arrogant these two were.
@BlueJayRobin I have been saying stuff like this forever...and are you telling me they can't FEEL the push from one side or the other??? I find this so hard to grasp the ignorance involved.
They knew how to fly it when everything worked perfectly, but they didn't have a clue about dealing with problems. Apparently little or no formal training on simulators and probably never read their manuals.
Thanks. I've been waiting for that button to light up. I never get enough of these. I'll have to double back and rewatch. You do amazing work, skill, talent, thoroughness and respect.
SunnyFon - yeah, if remember correctly they showed part of it on Good Morning America and then I watched more videos online. I couldn't imagine the fear in those people's eyes on both the plane and on the bridge!
Yes, I remember cause this plane actually hit a bridge first, then tumbled over into the river! It must've been hell for the people inside! How did 15 people survive??
@@tensevo This incident didn't even start out as a life-threatening emergency. The PF turned it into one. However, I don't necessarily blame the pilot as much as I do the airline. This pilot was substandard throughout his career. The first airline he worked for terminated him because he did so poorly during his type-rating course. He managed to get through the course after being hired at Trans-Asia, but failed his first attempt at upgrading to Captain. Concerns within the airline were raised about his ability to command an aircraft, but eventually he was allowed to advance. The deficiencies he showed throughout his training manifested themselves on this final flight. This is a person who, unfortunately should never have been given this huge responsibility, and the proof is in the pudding. Also, challenging a random person who's not a pilot to land a plane on one engine is a little silly. There's a reason pilots receive all the training they do, and it's for moments just like this. This accident was *completely* avoidable.
u didnt mention that flight hits a taxi car before plunged into the river. This accident was recorded in a dashcam of another car behind it. Thank God the driver was okay with minor injuries.
I flew on Transasia from Taipei to Macau in 2014. They took off in the tail end of a tropical storm and the plane made a huge drop while climbing, due to a strong gust of wind and passengers started screaming thought the crew quickly regained control. That went through my mind when I heard of this and the other TransAsia ATR crash. A family friend was an airline executive and fortunately left the company before these events occurred.
If you listen to the FDR from this flight, right before it cut off, i.e. right before the crash, the captain said, "I shut down the wrong engine!!" How do 3 pilot's w/almost 15,000hrs between the 3 of them, misdiagnose a problem so badly?? Inexcusable!! R.I.P to all those affected by this completely preventable tragedy.
Because airliner mfrs make it necessary for the crew to puzzle out which engine failed by looking at and correctly interpreting tiny little indicators in a dire emergency. It's nuts.
Your videos are amazing. Obviously, a lot of them are tragic. However, you do great work. I’m wondering how you know so much about aircraft. Great job!! I am also an aviation geek But I don’t know nearly as much as you do. May the passengers and crew of Transasia flight 235 RIP. Prayers to the few who miraculously survived,
@@guyincognito3530 Taiwan is its own country. They fought a battle over that shit. Chang lost the major war, but his forces went to Taiwan, and that's how it was settled. China will take Taiwan over at its own peril. You need to understand that China suffered HORRIBLE losses that they tried for EVER to cover up during the Korean war. Ridgeway fire-bombed the shit out of hundreds of thousands of Chicom soldiers. That's the biggest reason China was not belligerent at all during Vietnam. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge this in China, but the truth is the truth.
Ages ago? That means you're super young if you consider that "ages" ago. To me that's like yesterday. I'm a grandma. Anything still in the 20teens is recent to me, fresh enough to still hurt those affected by it.
I remember they were saying this guy was a “hero” because his hands was still gripped onto the steering but I felt the opposite because his simple mistake cost lives
Crisp video as always TMC. Well done 👏🏼On another note, I wanted to know if pilots can practice such situations on the simulator ? For instance, can prior accident scenarios be simulated and pilots be trained to rescue the plane ?
No one is probably going to mention this again, but nice touch on the background noise in the cockpit before take-off. Sounds like throat clearing and stuff. It really lulls you into the 'this really happened' feeling.
Notification : you have a TFC Video. Me: thank God something in my life is still normal! I've just come home from hospital after being sick with pneumonia. This was a welcome notification waiting for me! Thank you, thank you for continuing your hard work amidst the craziness. You're helping to keep me sane!
Most plane crashes in a decade was in the 1970s, over 2,000 people died from plane crashes. Today we have way more planes in the sky and less deaths...we're very lucky to be living in this decade!
This happened too in Cuba , specifically in Santiago de Cuba (MUCU) with an Antonov-24RV, they cut off the working turboprop instead of the damaged one and crashed in the Bartlett trench , nobody survived and with very hungry sharks in the area it was impossible to recover a single entire body!
yeah. i mean there was even a 16,000+ hours (w/ approx 6500 hrs on the ATR) , as an observer in the cockpit. seems to me that all of them would have double, even triple checked what they were doing to make sure they can make it back for a safe landing, and obviously that would include to make damn sure you are shutting down the in-op engine. with such low altitude, it was massively critical that they needed to make the correct decision. they didnt, all 3 of them. smh.
it's not that they couldn't figure it out, they had very little time to act and under pressure ppl make mistakes. Cockpit design should make it clear what the state of the aircraft is.
Wow I still remember this one so clearly! I was visiting Taipei that time and when it happened all news on TV were showing the footage of the broken plane, of the taxi dash cam etc! It was horrible learning that so little people survived (though one must say that even having survivors is quite a miracle) ! Rest in peace and may god bless their souls
what i wonder is this: okay if the right engine was slowly failing they could have seen that on their instruments but instead of inspecting the instruments to see what is wrong the captain randomly decides to shutdown the left engine
RE: “a fault in the auto-feather unit on the no. 2 engine causes (the) auto-feathering (of) that engine” The auto-feather system is not faulted. It is responding to the loss of power on the effected engine, by feathering the propellers automatically, far quicker than a pilot could respond, especially in an emergency situation. This sets the propeller assembly’s blades leading edges to face the relative wind, reducing significant asymmetric drag in a critical phase of flight, which prevents the aircraft from rolling suddenly and subsequent loss of pilot control. This is normal operation of the auto-feather system. The “fault” is the engine flameout. The response is automatic feathering blades on the effected engine.
I think he was saying that a bad solder joint gave the sensor a misreading causing the engine to feather when it didnt need to, so he was saying it was faulted because it turned on when it shouldnt have
Stephens right, the auto feather system malfunctioned and tried to feather the propeller when there was nothing wrong with the engine. I'm pretty sure there was no master warning either so the crew weren't sure what was going on and miss diagnosed it. Its sad to know if they had done nothing at all the plane would have still flown.
Stephen Denino The subtitles preceding the statement regarding the auto feather read: “Shortly thereafter (the master warning), the right engine (NO. 2) begins to flame out.” The number two engine failure would cause the auto feather to activate. A fault in the auto feather could also cause the system to erroneously activate. Regardless, unless I’m missing something, the auto feather activation immediately proceeding the engine 2 flameout, would be considered normal auto feather system operation: The order of events as subtitled above are Master Warning > Engine flameout > auto feather activation.
Hi, you are very good making these videos! I think I have watch every video :) Do you think its possible to make a video about the Air France disaster? The A330, going to Rio. Keep up the good work!
This is what happens when 'pilots', sim trained, learn to 'fly' by flipping switches and pushing buttons. No instinct, no feel. Reaction, not response. Damn shame.
So true. I feel like most people with any sense of motion would feel which engine was dragging....all those hours of flying and they had no "FEEL" for the aircraft at all.
Many commercial air crashes are because the crew failed to monitor their instruments. Sometimes it's because they were not properly rested and sometimes it's forgetfulness. After watching a few of these videos I learned that the first officer is supposed to call out the instrument readings to the captain during takeoff, landing and in emergencies. All of three of these procedures are necessary because the pilot is busy working the controls and needs another pair of eyes to keep him informed.
I would argue they were improperly trained for this scenario. so, not enough sim time. The issue was they were hand flying by "instinct" and reacted to quickly (with the wrong response).
I felt this one, this one hurt. So many things like landing in the river and the enactment was almost as if I was there watching ...so sad please dont come on here and be hateful.
Another great job FC! I do not understand how the operating engine was shutdown after the failure of the starboard engine. Total lack of situational awareness. All three pilots fIled to react in time to save the aircraft. All of them had a lot of time in this airplane and yet each failed to act timely and responsibly. This is clearly a training failure by the airline. Great work here FC. I love your videos. Thank you.
"Ineffective flight crew coordination, communication and error management compromised the safety of the..." Blah, blah, blah... The pilot shut down the wrong freakin engine and 43 people died. Incredible.
This was very similar to the Kegworth crash on 8th Jan 1989. After the loss of a fan blade in the left engine, the pilot flying shut down the right engine and increased power to the left engine. He failed by a few hundred yards to make it to Est Midlands airport.
My same observations. And apparently, they don't do many sims with emergency situations, because it seems to me like when the engine flamed out, their brains minded out. With that many years combined, there was no reason for that. I think I'll stick with US planes, because most of them have military/air force training, the most rigorous kind and they fly under duress and do difficult maneuvers. I don't think any other country has the same level or rigor.
I would imagine most of that is up to the pilot. If you're doing something you like, you're likely to want to stay there. That's particularly true for pilots. Switching to a different airplane means getting the new type rating (being certified to pilot the new plane). That takes a couple of years and costs tens of thousands of dollars. They may also have liked doing shorter flights so they could stay closer to their families and not have to spend a lot of time away from home.
Isn't it unusual for BOTH qualified pilots to make the same MULTIPLE errors and ignore the same protocol procedures that led to this crash? Additionally, the third pilot, the "OBSERVER" in the jump seat, had more flying hours than both the captain-in-charge and the co-pilot combined. Didn't he OBSERVE any inconsistencies? The captain had the LEAST experience of all three. I can't recall any other Flight Channel video where so many BASIC ERRORS were committed by BOTH pilots. There were more errors than correct procedures. Also, as I recall, the captain always has more flying hours than the co-captain. Not positive about this last situation but am surely surprised by the numerous basic errors made in almost every procedure performed.
There seems to be a problem with this aircraft: www.smh.com.au/national/virgin-australia-under-investigation-after-engines-flame-out-during-landing-20181218-p50n22.html
There are no real pilots anymore. Guys who flew VFR in every plane imaginable. My brother in law is 60, and an international pilot. When a situation arose where he had to hand fly a 787 to a new vector during final approach, his equally experienced copilot said that he doubted any of the younger pilots could have performed the maneuver
My ground school instructor said this to me once and I still & will remember it to the rest of my life, he said and I quote " most advanced pilots crash their planes because they forget what they have been taught at the beginning in the ground school " that is so true, coincidence happens that I am currently studying the emergency procedures, that include all sort of fails in the engine, and from where I see it, these pilots would have failed a simple flight test, I mean they haven't done any checklist for emergency after the engine has failed.
I wonder if glancing at the instruments the no2 feathered engine instrument gauges appeared healthier because they had less drag so read higher and thats why they shut down the wrong engine?
Exhaust gas temp gauge should have either been way too hot, or way too cold depending on the nature of the engine problem. No. 1 engine would have read normal. There should also be a readout for the prop pitch angle as well, a prop moving to zero pitch would be an indicator of the dead engine as well, and the turbine RPM would be below normal as well since the turbine would be wind milling. Also the breaker for the electrical bus energized by that motor should trip due to low voltage.
Stress is a real killer. Experience and memory would not work if the situation was not been pre envisioned. Keeping calm at such situations and trying to think is the key. Its very hard.
I am Taiwanese. At first,people thought the pilots are hero.But after everyone knew they turned wrong engine off,we were very angry.
Have you seen the dashcam videos of the crash?
Is it also okay to call Taiwan a Republic of China in the description ? I thought it's not yet settled
@@BadWebDiver I have seen dashcam video and it was horrible
@@angeloandrada7800 who cares? they're all chinese, besides that's what's on their passports and immi stamps.
lee hobbs nah bro, both passports are different I saw it. One said republic of people’s China (Mainland China) and Republic of China (Taiwan) and I can be sure to you that Taiwan is nothing like China. Besides I believe that Taiwan ain’t China
As a multi engine flight instructor, I make all of my students watch the dashcam video of this accident before I conduct their training on one engine inoperative (OEI). This is to emphasize the critical nature of identifying the correct engine, which is what the crew in the doomed flight failed to do properly. Excellent video as always.
How do they shut the wrong one down? What are they doing just flipping a coin and hoping it's the right one? I find it crazy a pilot with as many hours as this crew could do such a thing :O
@@dingledangle265 yeah fkn morons, do pilot employment procedures include IQ tests???
@@dingledangle265 Watch the Flight Channel video on British Midland 91 - where two experienced, well trained European pilots flying a brand new 737 did exactly that. They applied their skill and experience to this 'simple' problem and got it completely wrong.
@@partytill10 I would like to see you take the simplest pilot test and then write this sentence again with such arrogance.
@@alastairbarkley6572 The greatest air disaster - so far - was captained by Van Zandt, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines’ top training pilot. He was desperate to get his plane to V1 before his crew's time expired. Well, he made it.
“I shut down the wrong engine” is terrifying
facts
26 years earlier, British Midland Flight 92 crashed due to its pilots making the same mistake with the engines.
Except in that case wasn't it smoke through the ventilation system?
@@sporkybutterz Yeah, they didn't entirely trust their instruments, as the ventilation system on the previous model 737 was operated only by one of the engines, whereas the new model they were flying, it was fed by both. Based on smoke smell through the A/C, they used their instincts and shut down the wrong engine.
It’s funny how many commenters on that video didn’t get that and entirely blamed the aircraft.
Thought the same
@@bazil83 But when they shut down the engine the smoke stopped, which confirmed their action, the other engine was still running until just before landing. It was quite different to this incident overall.
15 survivors is a miracle
So true...
No, it´s physics.
Yes considering there were crocodiles in that river
@@kentcyclist I consider a miracle a crocodile in the cockpit flying the plane.
What a stupid comment. 43 people died and only 15 survived. How is that a "miracle"?
It's a sign of the times when I find myself watching an aircraft crash video to relax.
Mark Wheeler i know right! Im think same... why am i so infatuated with this!!!!
i get it I absolutely agree. Thanks for the puzzle piece my subconscious already knew.
Sounds like a personal problem.
Don't feel bad.I am doing it too.🙄
Mark Wheeler, me too.
As an AMT (aviation maintenance technician) i have been baffled by a great many things during my 33 years in aviation but this one, is right at the top of my list of "WTF!"
shutting down the wrong engine causing a stall.
The passengers... Dead because of that little misunderstanding and unprofessionalism...
Appreciate that you're alive...
engines did not shut down in the video. oops, C- grade
So why didn't they turn around a d head back to the airport ?
What u mean by you are alive?
That's what happens when one flies while Chinese
You would think survival instinct alone would command a more attentive performance from the pilots -- it's almost as if they didn't care if they died, let alone the passengers behind them.
The dash cam footage of this is crazy, the driver and passenger in the taxi it took out thankfully survived, RIP to those who didn’t make it, such a terrible tragedy!
It always amazes me that anyone survives an incident like this.
the only reason they did is because the airspeed was low (stall; maybe 80-90 knots?) and the fuselage avoided the bridge and ended up in impacting mud banks and the river
WOW, did those pilots do "anything" right?! This is the best channel without a doubt as it goes into so much details. This video has made me angry with those pilots though, so many mistakes!
I was privileged to sit in the cockpit of a Southwest flight, by invitation (flight attendant told pilot that I was heard listening to VASaviation, Flight Channel. I told them I pray before every flight. They said, 'That we don't crash?' I said, 'No, that you follow every checklist no matter how experienced, respond to every emergency with your utmost experience.'
@@16MedicRN yes, just try, at least
Yes, the copilot did some things right.He said « wait » when the captain said he will close the power lever of N 1, which is the right thing to do in this situation on the ATR: wait.Then he did some procedures.To his credit also he was a captain flying as copilot so he wasn’t in his usual seat and function, which makes it difficult especially in an emergency.The captain however was beyond useless, he did everything wrong.
Actually I would say Disaster Breakdown channel is better but this is good.
It’s amazing how quick people are to blame
How can people downvote something they haven't seen yet? Geez...
A few are probably miss clicks
I read recently that CZcams's algorithms give automatic thumbs down to videos for some inane reason.
Well I am 8:22 minutes in and NO Crash Yet, DESPITE THE TITLE SAYING THE CRASH OCCURS IMMEDIATELY AFTER TAKE-OFF
"autobot".
@Sahib Az-zaman Airlines I know it was streamed live, "dude".
I was literally JUST searching for this flight on your channel two weeks ago!! I'm so glad you made it! Very well done!!!
A good example of "just because you've been doing something for a long time doesn't mean your any good at it."
5:5
Your English writing skill is another good example.
@@poker_dealer the only thing you’re focusing at? I see nothing wrong in this comment.
@@That_one_crackhead281 as least you did it correctly.
@@poker_dealer are u seriously kidding me ? 💀
When this channel hits 1m subs it will be the most deserved on youtube. Amazing content and detail every time which must take so long. 👍
C'mon there are only two engines operating. I've seen failure to identify a faulty engine when there are four engines operating, but two? Before I go messing around with turning engines off I better be damn sure I have the right one.
Common sense right?? But give someone a uniform and watch how arrogant they become.
What really irks me is that they didn't even have to turn the engine off. It was already feathered! All they needed to do was declare an emergency and move back to the airport and land on one GOOD engine. They overcomplicated an emergency, failed to fly the airplane and killed a bunch of people. They must have been under the mentality that "Plane crashes don't happen to me". Just a shame.
@Shawn Huffman how does this happen??? Seems even a rookie without a license would have done a better job. I am saddened to see how arrogant these two were.
@@Kaimine08 Absolutely agree.
@BlueJayRobin I have been saying stuff like this forever...and are you telling me they can't FEEL the push from one side or the other??? I find this so hard to grasp the ignorance involved.
Imagine flying one plane for your entire career but not actually knowing how to fly it
Just to get a uniform....Pathetic.
@@jamescollier3 I am guessing that 99% of competent pilots would have landed that plane.
They knew how to fly it when everything worked perfectly, but they didn't have a clue about dealing with problems. Apparently little or no formal training on simulators and probably never read their manuals.
Bruh moménto
Stop being racist. In their culture they just learn how to operate the Western Man's autopilots. They have no time or interest in learning aviation.
Nice, I was wondering when a video on this crash would come out and you didn't disappoint, great video guys 👍
Thanks. I've been waiting for that button to light up. I never get enough of these. I'll have to double back and rewatch. You do amazing work, skill, talent, thoroughness and respect.
The editing skill that you have and your production quality, it is just, Spot on
I still remember my mother showed me the real footage of this plane hitting the bridge and the taxi.
SunnyFon - Oh THAT was this plane crash!? I remember that in the news. So sad 😔
@Stacie 413 yeah, the video recorded by the car showing this plane’s left wing struck the bridge and the taxi and crashed into the river.
SunnyFon - yeah, if remember correctly they showed part of it on Good Morning America and then I watched more videos online. I couldn't imagine the fear in those people's eyes on both the plane and on the bridge!
@M F yes it was this video
That was quite a video. I think it also killed either the taxi driver or his passenger.
Yes, I remember cause this plane actually hit a bridge first, then tumbled over into the river! It must've been hell for the people inside! How did 15 people survive??
Thanks for the pilot test history. That really solidifies the reason it happened and the end of the airline. Nice job sir........
Thank You.
I remember seeing the footage of this crash and have always wondered what happened. Thanks toTheFlightChannel great video as always.
It’s pilots like these who are a danger to anyone that flies.
These pilots won't endanger anyones' lives any longer.
I challenge you to land safely when an engine fails on you, it's not easy.
@@tensevo This incident didn't even start out as a life-threatening emergency. The PF turned it into one. However, I don't necessarily blame the pilot as much as I do the airline. This pilot was substandard throughout his career. The first airline he worked for terminated him because he did so poorly during his type-rating course. He managed to get through the course after being hired at Trans-Asia, but failed his first attempt at upgrading to Captain. Concerns within the airline were raised about his ability to command an aircraft, but eventually he was allowed to advance. The deficiencies he showed throughout his training manifested themselves on this final flight. This is a person who, unfortunately should never have been given this huge responsibility, and the proof is in the pudding.
Also, challenging a random person who's not a pilot to land a plane on one engine is a little silly. There's a reason pilots receive all the training they do, and it's for moments just like this. This accident was *completely* avoidable.
That dashcam caught everything.
Yea
@Mike Wazowski real footage from dashcam car on brigde
@Mike Wazowski czcams.com/video/a_DIAPfE8Fg/video.html
Yes
@@mjkl614 mmmn
I must say that quality of your videos are improving day by day. Nice work.
A Very Realistic and Informative Video,Good Job and keep up the good work!👌👌👌
Almost at one million! You'll for sure hit it soon :)
u didnt mention that flight hits a taxi car before plunged into the river. This accident was recorded in a dashcam of another car behind it. Thank God the driver was okay with minor injuries.
Your reconstructions are the best. Keep up the excellent work.
Outstanding video I love watching and reading the story's of these plane disasters!well done flight channel for another great video!
I flew on Transasia from Taipei to Macau in 2014. They took off in the tail end of a tropical storm and the plane made a huge drop while climbing, due to a strong gust of wind and passengers started screaming thought the crew quickly regained control. That went through my mind when I heard of this and the other TransAsia ATR crash. A family friend was an airline executive and fortunately left the company before these events occurred.
If you listen to the FDR from this flight, right before it cut off, i.e. right before the crash, the captain said, "I shut down the wrong engine!!" How do 3 pilot's w/almost 15,000hrs between the 3 of them, misdiagnose a problem so badly?? Inexcusable!! R.I.P to all those affected by this completely preventable tragedy.
He wasn't the only one to do that.
FDR - flight data recorder
CVR - cockpit voice recorder
@@geoh7777 I'm sure.
Because airliner mfrs make it necessary for the crew to puzzle out which engine failed by looking at and correctly interpreting tiny little indicators in a dire emergency. It's nuts.
That would be the CVR, not the FDR
(Edit: Should’ve read replies first. Oops.)
Another well done video! Thanks!!!
NICE VIDEO THE FLIGHT CHANNEL!!
I can't understand 3 pilots and couldn't realized shutting down the good engine is a mistake
This is incredible. There’s a reason checklists and procedures are there.
Your videos are amazing. Obviously, a lot of them are tragic. However, you do great work. I’m wondering how you know so much about aircraft. Great job!! I am also an aviation geek But I don’t know nearly as much as you do. May the passengers and crew of Transasia flight 235 RIP. Prayers to the few who miraculously survived,
You are close to 1 Million!❤
I have known you since 600k
This was ages ago... I still remember it :) From Taiwan
Are you upset that China thinks Taiwan is part of China?
You guys should back up the protests in Hong Kong
@@guyincognito3530 Taiwan is its own country. They fought a battle over that shit. Chang lost the major war, but his forces went to Taiwan, and that's how it was settled. China will take Taiwan over at its own peril. You need to understand that China suffered HORRIBLE losses that they tried for EVER to cover up during the Korean war. Ridgeway fire-bombed the shit out of hundreds of thousands of Chicom soldiers. That's the biggest reason China was not belligerent at all during Vietnam. Nobody seems to want to acknowledge this in China, but the truth is the truth.
What do you mean "ages ago"?? lol wow
Ages ago? That means you're super young if you consider that "ages" ago. To me that's like yesterday. I'm a grandma. Anything still in the 20teens is recent to me, fresh enough to still hurt those affected by it.
I remember seeing this on my way home from school. Absolutely unreal.
good work on the graphics on all your vids, there a pleasure to watch,
Outstanding video; thank you!
I remember they were saying this guy was a “hero” because his hands was still gripped onto the steering but I felt the opposite because his simple mistake cost lives
I highly doubt his hands were still attached after such an impact. Critical thinking is hard.
It wasn't simple mistake. It was sheer stupidity Mistakes can be forgiven. We all make them. That was unforgivable.
Crisp video as always TMC. Well done 👏🏼On another note, I wanted to know if pilots can practice such situations on the simulator ?
For instance, can prior accident scenarios be simulated and pilots be trained to rescue the plane ?
very good, this is a good animation and story, keep it up
Just brilliant mate every time 👍👏
The fact that these pilots shut off the wrong engine is quite scary
WHat a colossal phuck-up....! "Engine 2 fails...:! "Quik...shut down Engine 1!"
No one is probably going to mention this again, but nice touch on the background noise in the cockpit before take-off. Sounds like throat clearing and stuff.
It really lulls you into the 'this really happened' feeling.
Notification : you have a TFC Video.
Me: thank God something in my life is still normal!
I've just come home from hospital after being sick with pneumonia. This was a welcome notification waiting for me! Thank you, thank you for continuing your hard work amidst the craziness. You're helping to keep me sane!
I find it ironic that the F/O with waaaay more hours under his belt was supposed to learn from these dorks.
He was a captain, he was just acting as copilot.Maybe there was no copilot available for this flight or maybe he was instructing.
notice the funny GSX passengers I love how they just "shuffle" along
Well done shows like the format
I live in Taiwan and was on the freeway in Taipei the morning this horrible accident that happened. This is another excellent video.
co- pilot to captain, Sir, you have 2 left shoes on today, a brown one and a black one, what gives? Capt; I know, I have a a pair home just like it
Incompetent Pilots. And what was the "observer" observing - Taipei 101?
Should I laugh? Feeling bad if I laugh.. But.. 🤣🤣
Most plane crashes in a decade was in the 1970s, over 2,000 people died from plane crashes. Today we have way more planes in the sky and less deaths...we're very lucky to be living in this decade!
This happened too in Cuba , specifically in Santiago de Cuba (MUCU) with an Antonov-24RV, they cut off the working turboprop instead of the damaged one and crashed in the Bartlett trench , nobody survived and with very hungry sharks in the area it was impossible to recover a single entire body!
Hell's teeth, I remember seeing that crash on the news as someone filmed it on a dashcam!
So many years of experience in the cockpit yet together they couldn't figure it out. RIP
yeah. i mean there was even a 16,000+ hours (w/ approx 6500 hrs on the ATR) , as an observer in the cockpit. seems to me that all of them would have double, even triple checked what they were doing to make sure they can make it back for a safe landing, and obviously that would include to make damn sure you are shutting down the in-op engine.
with such low altitude, it was massively critical that they needed to make the correct decision. they didnt, all 3 of them. smh.
it's not that they couldn't figure it out, they had very little time to act and under pressure ppl make mistakes. Cockpit design should make it clear what the state of the aircraft is.
Wow I still remember this one so clearly! I was visiting Taipei that time and when it happened all news on TV were showing the footage of the broken plane, of the taxi dash cam etc! It was horrible learning that so little people survived (though one must say that even having survivors is quite a miracle) ! Rest in peace and may god bless their souls
@Serbian Republic of Carzonia Hi, and no no no. I wasn’t on the flight. I was in the city at the time to visit Taiwan/ Taipei
I love this channel!
what i wonder is this:
okay if the right engine was slowly failing they could have seen that on their instruments but instead of inspecting the instruments to see what is wrong the captain randomly decides to shutdown the left engine
RE: “a fault in the auto-feather unit on the no. 2 engine causes (the) auto-feathering (of) that engine”
The auto-feather system is not faulted. It is responding to the loss of power on the effected engine, by feathering the propellers automatically, far quicker than a pilot could respond, especially in an emergency situation. This sets the propeller assembly’s blades leading edges to face the relative wind, reducing significant asymmetric drag in a critical phase of flight, which prevents the aircraft from rolling suddenly and subsequent loss of pilot control. This is normal operation of the auto-feather system.
The “fault” is the engine flameout. The response is automatic feathering blades on the effected engine.
I think he was saying that a bad solder joint gave the sensor a misreading causing the engine to feather when it didnt need to, so he was saying it was faulted because it turned on when it shouldnt have
Stephens right, the auto feather system malfunctioned and tried to feather the propeller when there was nothing wrong with the engine. I'm pretty sure there was no master warning either so the crew weren't sure what was going on and miss diagnosed it. Its sad to know if they had done nothing at all the plane would have still flown.
Stephen Denino The subtitles preceding the statement regarding the auto feather read: “Shortly thereafter (the master warning), the right engine (NO. 2) begins to flame out.”
The number two engine failure would cause the auto feather to activate. A fault in the auto feather could also cause the system to erroneously activate. Regardless, unless I’m missing something, the auto feather activation immediately proceeding the engine 2 flameout, would be considered normal auto feather system operation: The order of events as subtitled above are Master Warning > Engine flameout > auto feather activation.
Thanks fo9r the video.
Hi, you are very good making these videos! I think I have watch every video :) Do you think its possible to make a video about the Air France disaster? The A330, going to Rio.
Keep up the good work!
This is what happens when 'pilots', sim trained, learn to 'fly' by flipping switches and pushing buttons.
No instinct, no feel. Reaction, not response. Damn shame.
So true. I feel like most people with any sense of motion would feel which engine was dragging....all those hours of flying and they had no "FEEL" for the aircraft at all.
Many commercial air crashes are because the crew failed to monitor their instruments. Sometimes it's because they were not properly rested and sometimes it's forgetfulness. After watching a few of these videos I learned that the first officer is supposed to call out the instrument readings to the captain during takeoff, landing and in emergencies. All of three of these procedures are necessary because the pilot is busy working the controls and needs another pair of eyes to keep him informed.
I would argue they were improperly trained for this scenario. so, not enough sim time. The issue was they were hand flying by "instinct" and reacted to quickly (with the wrong response).
I was wondering when you'd make that one, it'sprobably the most infamous dashcam footage crash
Love the video
Very nicely done.
Still hoping that you would recreate JAL123 :)
Someone needs to make a channel like this but with tornados. I'd watch it.
Or maybe 100+ car/ truck pile ups. LOL
Nice job tfc, sounded like a good Airline to stay away from. Love the split screens and added graphs and of course the people boarding the plane.
Having watched a few of these reconstructions I am amazed at how many accidents are caused by the pilots, I have flown in the past but never again.
What about Japan Airlines 123? That's one I would really like to see from you. :)
@@JPRong true
no pilot can keep the plane longer than JAL123 Pilot (even simulation)
Allen Joshua Ibay has a recreation on his channel. About 1 year ago.
@@JPRong That's what I thought.
I felt this one, this one hurt. So many things like landing in the river and the enactment was almost as if I was there watching ...so sad please dont come on here and be hateful.
the pax walking to the aircraft crack me up! LOL!
Another great job FC! I do not understand how the operating engine was shutdown after the failure of the starboard engine. Total lack of situational awareness. All three pilots fIled to react in time to save the aircraft. All of them had a lot of time in this airplane and yet each failed to act timely and responsibly. This is clearly a training failure by the airline. Great work here FC. I love your videos. Thank you.
I was on Taiwan and I saw where the plane crashed back in Sep 2019(wanted to Go back there except there’s CoronaVirus today)
I like their Faa
What's with the "stillhatecoronavirustoday"???
nobi bracamonte wow... intense I am sure
it’s almost as if having incompetent pilots is a bad idea..
wow didnt expect such high graphics with fsx ! Nice Job
This isn't FSX
@@hcotb3597 oof but the description says so
This is just sad. Turning off a perfectly working engine on accident. Keep up the good work man videos are awesome also i liked the vid
"Wow.. pulled back the wrong side throttle."
-- The captain of TransAsia Flight 235, realizing they were about to crash
"Ineffective flight crew coordination, communication and error management compromised the safety of the..."
Blah, blah, blah...
The pilot shut down the wrong freakin engine and 43 people died. Incredible.
The aircraft failed, then the wrong engine was shut down, then ppl died.
It's pretty amazing that anyone survived!
This was very similar to the Kegworth crash on 8th Jan 1989. After the loss of a fan blade in the left engine, the pilot flying shut down the right engine and increased power to the left engine. He failed by a few hundred yards to make it to Est Midlands airport.
So these pilots spend their whole careers in one type of aircraft. No promotions or anything? Like 80+% of all their hours were on the ATR?
And their FO had over twice time in type than the Captains did !! (??)
My same observations. And apparently, they don't do many sims with emergency situations, because it seems to me like when the engine flamed out, their brains minded out. With that many years combined, there was no reason for that. I think I'll stick with US planes, because most of them have military/air force training, the most rigorous kind and they fly under duress and do difficult maneuvers. I don't think any other country has the same level or rigor.
GaslitWorld f. Melissa B what about Airbus...
ALL THAT EXPERIENCE mattered not when just figuring out which engine to SHUT DOWN...WTF?
I would imagine most of that is up to the pilot. If you're doing something you like, you're likely to want to stay there. That's particularly true for pilots. Switching to a different airplane means getting the new type rating (being certified to pilot the new plane). That takes a couple of years and costs tens of thousands of dollars. They may also have liked doing shorter flights so they could stay closer to their families and not have to spend a lot of time away from home.
Isn't it unusual for BOTH qualified pilots to make the same MULTIPLE errors and ignore the same protocol procedures that led to this crash? Additionally, the third pilot, the "OBSERVER" in the jump seat, had more flying hours than both the captain-in-charge and the co-pilot combined. Didn't he OBSERVE any inconsistencies? The captain had the LEAST experience of all three. I can't recall any other Flight Channel video where so many BASIC ERRORS were committed by BOTH pilots. There were more errors than correct procedures. Also, as I recall, the captain always has more flying hours than the co-captain. Not positive about this last situation but am surely surprised by the numerous basic errors made in almost every procedure performed.
GLARING HUMAN FAILURE....Complete incompetence.
There seems to be a problem with this aircraft:
www.smh.com.au/national/virgin-australia-under-investigation-after-engines-flame-out-during-landing-20181218-p50n22.html
Crew resource management has not quite reached all corners of the globe as yet.
I love watching ur vids
@TheFlightChannel Are you going to be using the new Microsoft Flight Simulator 2020 for your videos when it comes out?
Jeeze, How many times has this happened where the pilots shut down the good engine? Total cockpit confusion.
i'm in my 80's with 14000 hrs of time, what ever happened to "dead foot - dead engine" - has automation contributed to a shortfall in airmanship ?
You are correct sir....we can point to numerous accidents caused by OVER simplification.
I'm leaning toward yes. I mean they were on autopilot directly after gear up.
There are no real pilots anymore. Guys who flew VFR in every plane imaginable. My brother in law is 60, and an international pilot. When a situation arose where he had to hand fly a 787 to a new vector during final approach, his equally experienced copilot said that he doubted any of the younger pilots could have performed the maneuver
My thoughts exactly! Relying on automatic systems.
Can you explain what "dead foot - dead engine" means?
My ground school instructor said this to me once and I still & will remember it to the rest of my life, he said and I quote " most advanced pilots crash their planes because they forget what they have been taught at the beginning in the ground school " that is so true, coincidence happens that I am currently studying the emergency procedures, that include all sort of fails in the engine, and from where I see it, these pilots would have failed a simple flight test, I mean they haven't done any checklist for emergency after the engine has failed.
Love the videos, not to fond of how many ads there are now
I wonder if glancing at the instruments the no2 feathered engine instrument gauges appeared healthier because they had less drag so read higher and thats why they shut down the wrong engine?
Exhaust gas temp gauge should have either been way too hot, or way too cold depending on the nature of the engine problem. No. 1 engine would have read normal. There should also be a readout for the prop pitch angle as well, a prop moving to zero pitch would be an indicator of the dead engine as well, and the turbine RPM would be below normal as well since the turbine would be wind milling. Also the breaker for the electrical bus energized by that motor should trip due to low voltage.
@@kdrapertrucker thanks kenneth for explaining all that ..the way i understood it was only the prop feathered but the engine was healthy
This happens due to inadequate time in the simulator with simulated failures.
It‘s a sad story but wonderful production made towards this video.
Stress is a real killer. Experience and memory would not work if the situation was not been pre envisioned.
Keeping calm at such situations and trying to think is the key. Its very hard.