How this Pilot's Decision Sealed the Fate of 46 Passengers | 28 Seconds to Survive (Real Audio)
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- Find out how 28 seconds could have prevented the ATR 42 operating as Santa Bárbara Airlines Flight 518 from crashing.
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I'm a tower controller here in Brazil, I can say it's usual to see pilots rushing the taxi and asking us shortcut ways to take off in order to avoid delays. After watching this epsode I'll rethink everytime this accident before giving them an YES.
Good for you. We all need more of that kind of thinking.
not rethink, how about a hard No.
Thousand of people lives r dependent on the pilot nd tower controller ...
This has to be the greatest compliment that can be paid to this channel, that someone who is responsible for the safety of real lives in the air is learning to improve safety as a direct result of watching this. ✈️
Flight is a window of synchronization - if everything is within the parameters of that window, you fly. Procedures are engineering specifications to keep each flight within its design window. That's how machines work, each piece has to be in place. Regular maintenance is one such piece. Functioning instruments are another. A checklist is several pieces that must be in place.
This is why you never rush through checklists. Don’t endanger people’s lives just to get back on schedule.
I know
@@osamabinladen824 lol
@@osamabinladen824 u are alive man
Like the pilots of AA1420 where they have to rush to land
So sad that you are a member of TFC and I am not because I don't have the money. BTW if I was a pilot, I wouldn't risk all the passengers at the cabin. I wonder what were their last moments...
I think that it's pertinent that both were good friends. If they hadn't been, one would have stopped the other more readily.
Opposite of me and my friends lol, had it been a good friend I'd have just slapped that dude lol
What’s depressing about this accident is that the pilots flew into IMC knowing they had no operational AHRS. That was simply criminal.
Herpes. What do those acronyms mean?
He's saying that the pilots knowingly flew into bad weather with no visibility without properly working and operational instruments. They couldn't see in front of them and they couldn't rely on their instruments so they didn't know what the plane was doing either, cause the instruments were not working properly and they knew it when they were taking off.
Yes it was criminal. And they got the death sentence for it. Unfortunately they took 47 innocent soles with them.
@Rohit Das
Yes, that’s how criminal negligence sounds >> chooses >> acts >> ends.
I can't believe they flew into the DSK without a PLDTA. Only a CSP without a BWRVY would do that!! You feel me?
"The pilots lost track of time while having coffee in the terminal."
oh boy
Yep that's the pair whose hands I want my life in.
@@kikastra
They took care of it for you.
Like, they couldn't get it to go?
The coffee that kills, it must have been really good.
coffee or cerveza?
Pilots: Let's not wait for our instruments to be ready.
Also pilots: Let's climb into the cloud so that we really need our instruments.
Capt: "Hey we're running a little late, how about we rush thru the checklist real fast so that we might forget something critical?"
1st Officer: "Great idea, let's do that"
Capt: "Oh mierda, the AHRS isn't working. But I remember I once got out of jail before at this airport so that means I can succeed everytime. Also, let's use the northeast corridor so we have to do a 180 degree turn in that fog while using this unreliable antiquated crap compass"
1st Off: "I'm with you sir!"
@@Virtualnoaidi A perfect recipe for a disaster. These pilots got overconfident and thought they could bend rules. They might have gotten away with doing this more than once, but it just takes one time for an accident to happen then it's all over.
And into terrain.
@@Virtualnoaidi p
@@kevinmalone3210 Yep.Hence the saying,never do anything ,Dumb,Dangerous,or Unusual when it comes to safety.
It's the fact that he openly admitted it happened on another flight he did that disgusts me the most 🤢
Exactly... God gave him a free pass... instead of being humbled... he became arrogant. Always learn your vehicle. And honor what your vehicle needs to give you safe travel. Always.
@@darrinsiberia oh wise one , will they listen ?
The saddest part is:
not on another flight, but right the previous.
That means this is his daily routine cocking around the equipments in the cockpit.
There are no shortcuts in aviation, patience is a pilot's greatest skill and patience is a skill that must be learned and practiced under all conditions.
I have witnessed negligence before, but this is on another level. Terrible tragedy that could have been avoided.
How about Lamia 2933 and Lapa 3142 ?
@@pablobertuzzi3439 Definitely on another level. stupidity above the clouds!
The "Fly Boy" era 70's-80's with all the Cruise Films created much of the motif around being a Risk taker pilot, only getting people hurt or dead.
@@aldenunion It's good to know that we are far more sensible now.
So, these two geniuses couldn't wait 28 seconds for the system to load thereby dooming themselves and 44 others to untimely and horrific deaths.
Yep
I’m no pilot but isn’t a 360 the same direction? How did these pair get to fly planes with people on board?
@@ianross225 lol, I noticed that too. But on the other hand, they overshot the attempted 180 turn by 50%, so if they attempted 360 maybe it would end up being 540 and work perfectly. Maybe they were right after all.
Ahhh yeah that's exactly what happened. You know that "Happy Bar" hours are from 6-9 pm and they didn't wanna miss it.
@UCVACGR08PU-c-P-wsliyQug Please re-watch the video: the pilots turned on the engines as soon as they arrived in the cockpit and proceeded to RUSH through their preflight checklist because they were late and wanted to remain on schedule. The system needed 180 seconds to load, however the pilots departed with 28 seconds remaining before the airplane's computer system could complete the download. Had they remained on the ground an additional 28 seconds (for a total of 180 seconds), the tragedy might have been averted.
Years ago I was cooling my heels in an Air France lounge. A flight attendant comes for us, gathers the FC and BC passengers and we follow him to our flight already late, but filled with passengers. The flight crew dashes past in the corridor joking with each other. I'd never boarded a plane without the crew already in place. One of the FC guys says in loud French don't bypass the checklist. The Cap, FO and Engineer looked at him. I thought he was being rude, now, I'm glad he spoke up.
Better be rude and alive, than shy and dead.
I took note that this was the captains second incident where he apparently started to taxi before completing the checklist.
At that last moment, somehow i was trying to move my head up with the plane hoping it would pass those mountains 😅
Me 2. 😂😂😂😥😢
I thought they were gonna make it...
@@MicroSoftner i was hoping too. But then i remembered the title of video 😢
@@sunflower30stm bruh where did you read this was in Miami?
@@sunflower30stm Sorry about that, my bad too!!
The language the captain kept using (right from the beginning) says a lot about how "professional" he was.
This is one great example on why fraternization between high and low ranking personnel is prohibited. Shiid, they were addressing each other on a first name basis in the cockpit! They might as well still be having coffee, fml man.
Also, to me anyway, he sounded pretty amped up. Bad from the jump. May those poor souls RIP.
Professional like a fox.
@@flexman70 True. If they kept drinking their coffee, 46 would not have died.
@@robertmog4336 absolutely! Carriers should have penalties (monetary or points off ) for late pilots like this. This is the worst consequence for that.
I’ve never had an issue with flying. The more and more videos I watch from this channel and Alec’s, the more I’m confident I’ll never be flying again.
I am supposed to get married to a chinese lady. She wants to fly to China once a month for her business. I said we just need to live there. I can't get that MH 370 out of my mind. They have found a couple of pieces of scrap metal, and that is it. I'm an old man, but really would rather just not vanish from the face of the earth. She is a knock-out looking woman. I hope I can talk sense into her head. I don'r want to flip a coin about our lives.
If it helps, an renowned Venezuelan pilot refering to various accidents in the country once said that "the airplane is one of the most perfect machines invented by the human being, it would always try to not fall down unless a lot of people is that incompetent, or God REALLY wanted it to crash; and still you have a pretty high chance to survive"
Your videos are better than TV shows with each scene an explanation. Each flight we can almost feel as if we are on that plane. Total Respect as you include “in memory of” at the end of each video.
Imagine how many times each day people closely avoid death without ever knowing about it... for every accident there.must be 100s of close calls.
Excellent point.
Thats y i dont fly....simples
I read somewhere that if ATC had a 99.99% success rate, there'd be a crash every day.
A guy named Rodney Stich who was an FAA safety investigator who maybe saved thousands of lives by blowing the whistle on cavileer pilots (mostly in the 1970's and 80's) who had great skill, but routinely cut corners often out of overconfidence, arrogance or impatience. Flying is much safer than it was then, but I'm sure what Stitch was up against still exists to this day, witnessed by this crash.
I have experience with a near miss out of Miami in 2003. I was stunned how close the other jet came from us at a perpendicular, easily within 80 meters rising above us immediately after take off. So it was probably on a direct course but as it was pulling up it distanced itself. The other plane came out a cloud from right to left.
Normally, when watching these videos, I have a lot of understanding and forgiveness for pilots who do mistakes. This video is an exception. Unforgiveable behavior and totally unprofessional and reckless attitude.
There are a bunch horrible pilot mistakes covered in his videos though. I feel angrier with the suicidal ones especially
lets not forget our dear french friend still pulling the stick...
Agreed. Literally no reason that this aircraft crashed other than reckless incompetence underpinned by unprofessional arrogance.
@@itellyouforfree7238 What is First Officer Pierre-Cédric Bonin's favourite workout? Pull-ups 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂
That crash gave birth to this joke!😉😁
@@godsbelovedchild1810 ahah nice one!
Im Venezuelan and I was thinking of this crash the other day. This is a pretty accurate reenactment as it looks and feels real. Also the pilots sounded like two overconfident teenager kids, itès a shame that their actions caused this avoidable accident, specially at such difficult airport
Instead of admitting they forgot track of time and thus had to wait for the other plane to land first, they decided to hide their embarrassment and quickly carelessly depart. The rest are details. Lesson: don't try to hide your failures if that means putting yourself and other people in danger.
How many cockpit alarms were sounding right from the beginning? Unbelievable!
They were probably the alarms warning them of non-functioning instruments.
Some of those alarms are probably a normal part of start-up (for example, alarms for engines out before you start them)
I was thinking the same while hearing all the alarms in the cockpit. Did they even close the external doors??
He wanted to taxi... but the door was still open! Tower had to inform him of that. That's a big OOPS.
And yet these two corrupted pilots flew anyway!!! They're responsible for the deaths of 44 innocent peoplellll
Could you imagine your life or a family members life ending because a couple of pilots lose track of time and hurry through a checklist knowing that the instrument panel isn’t working correctly. What a couple of knuckleheads. You could make all the right moves in life...but it ends because these two knuckleheads were reckless.
We've had so few crashes the last ten years. Maybe it's because pilots have finally gotten it ingrained in their heads the importance of strictly adherence to checklists and maintaining cockpit protocol during takeoffs and landings. Sometimes the simplest things yield the biggest impact.
I'm Venezuelan and this just makes me sad, the captain's arrogant attitude ended up causing such an horrible tragedy, may everyone who perished in this flight RIP
@TheFlightChannel Would love if you made a video telling the story of Flight 742 from Viasa, which crashed on March 16 1969 in my hometown of Maracaibo, it caused the closing of which was back then Maracaibo's International Airport, Grando de Oro, and most passengers were American as this flight was heading to Miami
Dudo que haya sido arrogancia. Si mal no recuerdo creo que ya iban con retraso antes de incluso haber despegado, por eso agarraron esa ruta que era mas riesgosa de noche pero que les acortaria el trayecto. Lo lamentable es que les costo la vida.
What confuses me is that the captain kept complaining about the navigation system (?) not working, as though there's something wrong with this plane, and apparently, the other plane he flew, as well. Surely, he would've been aware that the plane needed 3 mins to run, before the system was fully up, but it doesn't sound like he knows this, to me, anyway. Don't know if I misunderstood something, or misinterpreted something.
@qmnnvrdyz8965 Even if the flight was already behind schedule.. he should have known that plane needed those 3min to fully start all navigation systems, but instead of asking for an apology to the company about being a bit late.. he preferred to risk everyone's life to save some time and ended killing everyone onboard
By the comments inside the cabin he sounds super arrogant about just getting done with it already, as if he's taking a walk through the park rather than flying a plane...
“There are no shortcuts to success”
RIP to all those who lost their lives.
Lemme guess you watch dear Mann today
...
I meant dear mann
Dhar mann*
Yes I just thought I had heard it somewhere, now I remember...
Some people seem to think you can fly planes like you drive cars. All those procedures have a reason, don´t skip any of it!
In addition: *You cant fly a plane without your instruments as you cant use your windows as references when your plane is in the clouds*
I guess many think that the plane will just take care of itself. Like a car running off the road. Usually , no one hurt seriously, and you dent the car/
Actually, people should be vastly more careful in the way they drive cars as fatalities from road transport far exceed those from aircraft. Unfortunately, many people don't seem to appreciate or care that a moment's inattention in a car can lead to a fatal accident as you spend much of the time travelling within a few feet of pedestrians and cyclists who are incredibly vulnerable.
In NZ pilots would be fired if they were half an hour late because they were having coffee. They arrive at least an hour before their flight for the flight plan discussion, any problems or possible delays.
I like how the pilot says easy dennis easy just before the impact.
I am not sure what this was, perhaps it was acceptance of their fate.
How did he believe that he could fly visual with the given ceiling conditions? I cant believe how arrogant and reckless they were ..
I remember in my last plane ride:
that our plane was flying through thick clouds that masked the view of the ground,
From there I knew: *The pilots dont fly the plane with their windows, and actually use navigation instruments*
Sad, isn't it? It seems that some pilots think of themselves as "above reproach", even with so many lives in their hands
THEY WERE DRINKING , THAT IS WHY THEY WERE LATE. HOW MANY TIMES HAVE YOU SEEN FLIGHT CREW IN THE AIRPORT BARS? ALL THE TIME! OR THEY ARE IN 'CREW ONLY' LOUNGES DRINKING! THESE MEATLICKERS WERE DRUNK PLAIN AS DAY.
@@rmiller2179 BS. You have no idea what you're talking about. None.
@@lbowsk Like Jesus said "If it walks Like a duck and quacks like a duck...." That would be my bud Jesus Alezondo, the Son of God ..
Guess extra 28 seconds won't hurt. They're already late so what's the point of rushing. I take the lesson for not to rush myself when late. Amazing work with that audio, TFC! You're still the best for non english-speaking audience like me.
It's like one of my friends used to say. "Why are you rushing if you're already late? You can't be late twice."
It's because of the incoming other flight...
When I was training to be a scuba divemaster, we would try to swim in a straight line along the bottom in 10m visibility without using a compass. Usually we would swim in a circle, because one leg is strong than the other, but we would *think* we were going straight. We learned to rely and trust on our compasses, and always ensured they were working at the start of every dive.
That was some of the absolute worst decision-making and flying I've ever seen. So said they had to take their passengers with them to the grave.
Suicides aside, this has to rank as the most disgracefully piloted flight I’ve watched among countless videos here on Flight Channel.🤦🏼♂️
Them, the pilots of Saudia 163 and the captain of Northwest Airlink 5719 were the worst
I think it's right up there with the drunkard piloting Aeroflot 821.
No...No guys....The Champcoense accident,that pilot is worse....Ok it was a charter not commercial flight but anyway,they were worse!
I'm never getting on a plane sober again!
The pilot who let his son fly and subsequently crash the plane is the worst imo
There were no mistakes! This was negligence from the git-go.
...it was mas stupido....
Shame on them
Wow! Sure was! Plus they were going some dodgy direction with no instruments and they didn't get their heading right. Cluster****
Today I learned that it’s git-go and not get-go
@@YaAllahswt don't think the families of dead passengers would care too much whether her it is "get go" or "git go."
Thank you flightchannel for giving me my first and only hobby.. I’ve been going to DTW once a week to watch takeoffs and landings. I know I still have room to grow but I’m loving what I’ve already learned about commercial aviation! You rock! Thank you for inspiring me!
Raise your hand if you'd want to deplane if you knew your pilots "lost track of time." My dad was a pilot and was fastidious about pre-flight preparation. The entire evening before a flight was designed to ensure he got to bed early enough to ensure eight solid hours of sleep. And he was a crop duster. He left nothing to chance.
Wow! This one made me so anxious my heart is pounding. I can’t believe that the pilots didn’t just wait. It’s really unfair to place the lives of the passengers and crew in a no win situation like that. Gosh this made me so sad 😭
If the pilots had waited, the flight would not have been allowed to take off as darkness closed in and the flight would have been cancelled. Then they would have lost their jobs for causing a cancellation with an overlong coffee break. They gambled to protect their jobs at the expense of passenger safety, and lost.
Feeling the same. The last moments were heart breaking.
Cheer up baby.
@@robertkirchner7981 long coffee break? 28 Seconds to save their lives ? I dont think so, language they use, losing track of time and the fact that they have flown without proper systems on before tells me something different, "coffee" will only make you lose track of time if it is a white powdery one...
@@robertkirchner7981 Lost their jobs? I highly doubt it. Maybe a suspension or reprimand though.
I feel like I take more time to pull my car out of my driveway. What a mess. RIP to those who perished.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
Burt...shut up. You sound as arrogant as they come. Talk about virtue signaling.
@@K1OIK Are you quoting somebody else? And 1 comment on a video = posting all over the internet?
This site is the most insightful, reliable and accurate, easy to digest to non aviators, kudos to you flight channel!
Really like your videos! But the addition of real audio, takes it to the next level. And that makes a big difference! Awesome.
Scary how 1 mistake does so much damage
Even worse, a tiny mistake can sometimes do so much damage as well
Exactly
@@jj_cars99 like Jal 123 a faulty repair built up to be the second deadliest aviation accident
The thing is, they knew the instruments weren't working correctly, as they were taxiing. The flight should have ended there and then.
It wasn't just one mistake.
Thank you for making another masterpiece.
Not offending but I had posted this very same comment in the previous video xD
I know nothing about aviation; just been a passenger. But I wonder if the passengers would have known they were going to crash?
RIP those who were killed
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
Unbelievable!! A instructor with 5,000 hours should have been able to time his turn and manage it with the compass for confirmation. What idiots! Hate phony professional pilots that kill!!!😡😤💔
These should be shown to airline pilots as a regular part of their ongoing training.
This
Me stuck here on flight simulators and I wouldn't do this stupid shit, crazy how money makes pilot while the passionates ones are in debt
I swear "fuck it, less gooo" causes half of all air disasters
@@63ch31 Yep. Destroyed the prototype B-17 in 1935. Took off with the controls locked.
@@Redspeare Damn, that's the worst one I've heard yet
If they show us gore and burnt-up car skeletons when getting a drivers' license, surely pilots must be put through worse.
You can feel the panic and helplessness in their voice towards the end just before crashing.
Yes, but you want to give them a punch to the gut after short cutting procedures.
Really well done video with the obvious scenery upgrades and nice aircraft model
Hey guys I'm not very knowledgeable, does anyone know why they couldn't climb to get above the mountain once they saw it? Is it because the plane didn't have enough speed?
Following. That's a question I have.
I was wondering this as well
The plane is heaviest at takeoff. The flight crew has to calculate the flight path beforehand, ensuring (among other things) that the plane can clear all terrain. Since they were off course they didn't have this opportunity, and the result was disaster.
More speed would have helped with ascent rate, but remember by this time the pilots were flying by the seat of their pants. Also higher ascent rate makes the plane more likely to stall.
Everything worked against the flight crew, and they pretty much screwed up at every opportunity.
I was wondering why they did not try to fly upward when they were in front of the mountain... I don't think they even tried to move the plane at all, too busy fighting between each other. Saddening for the passengers.
@@catscanhavelittleasalami A Plane that is loaded to capacity with fuel , or people, doesn immediately react to climbing higher. If you go up at too steep of an angle, the plane stalls, and quits flying at all. It has to have a certain amount of air, across and moving under the wing, to create lift. Lift is what keeps it in the air.
I’ve flown into Merida a few times. It’s a thrilling/terrifying approach when you take the “authorized” route. How on earth could this airline and these pilots have been so thoughtless?
I dont think there's anything else negligent about that airline, except:
*These rushing idiots flying the plane!*
Time and time equals MONEY.
It's the opposite. They were departing from Merida.
Thanks to these pilots and accident the airport was closed, when back in the last century it received DC-9 and 727 without any trouble, those were awesome pilots. This city needs an airport.
@@XBarajasX Venezuela as a whole needs a lot of work, this happened because the pilot was close friends with a high command on santa barbara, he didnt even meet the requirements. Corruption caused this
They just jumped in the plane like they were starting up a car! You can accept them loosing their life’s due to their stupidity, but it’s hard to accept the passengers and other crew dying.
*losing
@@lisas8244 oh shut up. You got the gist of the comment.
@@mimib8032 Telling someone to shut up is much more rude, crass and uncivilized than informing someone how to spell a word.
@@lisas8244 Boo hoo. You understood perfectly well what the OP was saying, you just wanted to be pedantic.
It's tiresome.
@@mimib8032 I'll tell you what's tiresome and frightening and that would be the number of adults in the USA who are unable to spell basic words. And English is their first language.
How can 2 pilots " lose track of time" while drinking coffee in the terminal? That is what I find most perplexing about this story.
It has happened to me a couple of times so I can sympathize, but luckily I was only a passenger.
Waiting for 28 seconds would have allowed everyone to live another day..
That, or parachutes.
That was a sequence of bad decisions as all accidents are. Let’s learn with it, you cannot rush checklists and preparation, you can expedite procedures after that, take a direct route with terrain clearance, maintain higher speed than usual (inside a safe margin off course). It’s always batter to lose minutes of your life than your life in seconds.
I like that last line. So true.
All they had to do was wait for the other plane to land and all would have been in order. Try and save a few seconds to lose it all. Not quite the gamble to be made.
This accident really angered me. Those people didn't have to die....all that rushing 😩
Pilots by nature are Alpha people who seek control. Control gives them power which the vast majority use for good but some abuse. The challenge is to weed out the bad apples.
@@encinobalboa
Sounds good but how do you go about doing it? Someone mentioned culture is a factor should be looked at. Perhaps better training to appreciate stated procedures would be in order.
Says a lot about the pilots professionalism, if they lost track of time having coffee.
@@markdavis7397 I'll give you that, though.
May have been some good looking chicks in the lounge as well, theis two pilots were on borrowed time anyway pity they took the innocent passengers with them
@@markdavis7397 to die for!
@@barkz2265 it does seem like these guys are way more flirty than the general public. Many years ago I took my first flight ever to Pensacola, and getting off, I had a few minutes wait at the door, and one of the crew asked me if I wanted to go to Boca Raton. When I laughed, he said I’m not kidding. Two weeks before, I had just lost a baby boy (at 16 weeks) and was on my way to help my precious sister-in-law with a crisis. He was told,”not today!” Others of the crew got to hear. Made me afraid to fly again for awhile. Now, I would say yes, but I’m 78 years old and on oxygen. He might not want go now, lol’
pair of del boys of the skies
from 10:49 onwards I had a morbid fascination whether they could outclimb the mountain. there's just something about that perspective that keeps you thinking till the end that the can make it over the mountaintop, when the right decision would have been to turn around immediately. god i hate sloping heights.
the fact that right before they crashed he said easy Denis easy as he thought there was a chance for them surviving the impact is crazy to me
Man, something about the pilot WILLINGLY endangering the life of everyone on that aircraft doesn't sit right with me...
Add insult to injury:
-If the flight crew just sat the plane on the base with the engines on, reading checklists and not moving the plane for 3 minutes:
*This entire disaster would have never'd happen*
I smell drugs, anybody else? ... This is way over the top, I don't see anybody in their right mind doing this.
@@siennalune3779
Sadly-speaking..
*Ive known and met a bunch of healthy, but ,impatient idiots*
*just like those pilots,*
*who rush or skip every crucial and important step in their way to just to save meaningless seconds to get a meaningful job done in at unnecessary speed*
**READ: Rush job= dead customer☠️!*
-and I strongly believe these pilots have no drugs related to this incident
@@MainMite06 You maybe right, its just very hard for any reasonable person to believe it i guess. Also what made me think that drugs were involved was the "why" they were late? Cocaine is one of those drugs for exemple that make 5hours seem like an hour... again its hard for a reasonable person to understand how you can have an aircraft to fly in minutes, in an airport closing soon but just lose track of time over coffee, you know?
@Sister Supersonic Do you have any proof or did you just pull that out of your rectum? These guys were idiots, plain and simple. Especially the captain (small c intentional). Why add coke?
O.M.G. Late for departure + beat the clock= unfathomable amounts of grief. Guess there is no reliable way to guage a person's maturity. Rest in peace, passengers & flight attendant. Another great but heart wrenching vid from TFC.
One mistake leads to the next one. Being late, skipping steps rushing instruments. They take less time than warming a coffèe in a microwave.then losing sense of direction. Then arguing and capt taking over contols. Hit mountain.
Thank you for making these videos!
So when they saw the terrain, they seemed to take a long time to react. Were they completely out of options at that point? Did they hit max power to try and get over it? I know this is never covered in accident reports as they should not have put themselves in that position to start with.
Those were some precious cups of coffee the pilots had, more than all those innocent lives lost. My goodness what a damn tragedy!!! What absolute fools.
Totally disrespectful to call these guys fools as you know nothing other than what is presented in this video. Shame on you and RIP to all involved.
Big shot macho pilots thinking: "those suckers in the plane can wait, we'll take our time". And then "shit, let's get out of the way of that landing plane real quick, never mind the procedure."
Me: Flying is the safest form of transportation
Also me: FlightChannel posts a new crash video every week
*The last video was a documented controversy of a plane theft*
-TFC is more than plane crashes
'Flying is the safest form of transportation' yet aircraft pilot is the second most dangerous job with a workplace fatality rate of 60 per 100,000.
Catching up for all those years before such information and simulations were available.
It all depends on whether you use, time or distance travelled.
Pilots are entrusted with the safety of their passengers, and it’s a shame to see how these two essentially just killed all those innocent people with their negligence. 😔
The moment the captain ignored the fact that the instruments hadn’t calibrated, you just knew this wasn’t going to end well.
It's why I always think the passengers should demand a readout of the instruments in the cabin. Walk off the plane if the instruments are not working.
@@tensevo the problem with this is that probably 99.9% of passengers wouldn’t have the first clue about planes or how they work.
@@eliz_scubavn yeah, I know, passengers should demand parachutes in that case. Simply cannot accept innocent ppl being slaughtered by incompetence. They need an exit strategy when things turn to S.
when i am going somewhere i am not familiar with i make sure my sat nav is fully operational before i set off, they just got in the plane and started up the engines and set off
The pilot and co pilot have caused a lot of people to miss a lot of things for the rest of their lives.
"get-there-itus" will get you everytime!
Get-there-itus *will get you buried in the coffin real quick!*
@@MainMite06--There's usually nithing to bury. They just go in a mass grave like the concentration camp people or people with no family or money in L.A. County. (There's a marker with the year and that's it.)
@@SFVnative
Although i was being metaphorical...
I know that fatal high speed airplane crashes may as well be a pre-made cremation knowing that everything will burn and debris will scatter everywhere...
*9/11's funeral for every innocent soul who was killed was done as a memorial for all families involved*
I remember a flight I was on leaving Hong Kong for Chicago, a 747 before United retired them, at any rate, we taxied then pulled off the taxi way, and sat for a while, the pilot explained the winds had shifted and they were recalculating take off weight. I'm thinking this is a-ok, please don't rush, if we can't lift off we're going to be a very short flight to Chicago. All went fine obviously, we were late arriving and I missed my connection to DC, but there was another one pretty soon, I didn't wait long, no problems with it, its just how things go.
The content on this channel is always A1 👏🏽
Moral of the story: Don't skip and rush through checklist
Had they waited for the other plane to land we would not be talking about 'this' crash they caused.
They were homies. Calling each other on a first name basis in the cockpit what? They might as well be having coffee still.
There are no shortcuts in aviation, patience is a pilot's greatest skill and patience is a skill that must be learned and practiced under all conditions.
Aviation has no tolerance for stepping outside of established procedures, that by the way, have been paid for in blood!!! And when you do operate outside of these parameters, you are often times left with making another payment....
Not the least alarming aspect of this is that the pilot was an instructor.
Whenever anything is rushed….it never turns out good. This is so sad. What a horror for the poor souls on board.
This is equivalent to someone running a red light and hitting oncoming traffic. It's less than a half a minute. Just wait!!
*Its sad to know that i had peers who rush everything for meaningless speed and unnecessary time saved to get an important job done*
-Its more sadder to see the aftermath of the damage those rush-rush peers have caused when you witness the damage
Don’t like the pilot’s attitude. Anger gets in the way when you’re doing something that requires your stability. And you shouldn’t “rush” through anything. A good job is a careful job.
Thank you TheFlightChannel ✔✈
I flew a - 8 100 and 3 for a number of years. The sheer idea of launching without AHRS spooled up would have been outrageous, forget doing it. Then they wonder why pilots are considered idiots through a large part of the industry - good grief!
Is there a reason they couldn’t have followed the magnetic compass? I know it’s less than ideal.
Death is the longest delay ever. RIP to those lost on this flight.
If I find myself rushing, I slow myself down because the most important thing to me is getting back safely to my son and husband. I always try to keep that in mind. If I'm late, I'm late it is what it is🤷🏾♀️
@sweetsatin24..Your comment is the most common sense and prophetic one that I have just read luv!! I never like to be late and consequently always try and be at least an hour early for anything. However I certainly wouldn't be late via having a chinwag over a coffee with a mate if I were a pilot and then be rushing around,skipping safety precautions and putting all the passengers lives in danger!! RIP all the souls who lost their lives that day!😇🥰😇
@@kristinejames9812 I'm gonna go ahead and borrow chinwag 🤣 I know this is serious stuff but when I saw that I started laughing. And between learning from my parents who were always early to my husband being former air force, we try to be punctual but at the same time not lose our heads or lives over jobs who will replace us before rigor mortis even sets in. Even my 4 year old yells at me to "Come on let's go". I guess I do that chinwag thing sometimes holding him up🤣
@sweetsatin24... I know it's serious,but feel free to use Chinwag any day 'cos if we didn't laugh sometimes we'd cry. Sounds like you have a lovely family there luv,so treasure every moment with them all! Lots of Love from Manchester ( the one in England)!!!🤗🥰🤗
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
@@kristinejames9812 Manchester! Never been but I went to Peckham once. I'm in America but I was dating a British guy from 2001-2004 and went to visit him. I was scared of flying so I only went once and he came here several times but being in Peckham was an experience! Curling irons are called tongs, tea is hot, eggs aren't scrambled, and the sidewalks look like a death trap lol. I saw a few fights which was cool. It rained all 4 days I was there. I'd go back someday though. Much love from America!
When you know you're wrong from the get go, but you keep pushing your luck beyond limits...
Another excellent video. I just wanted to point out that the introduction reads that the plane first flew in 1998, and is 22 years old. However the incident took place in 2008, so it sounds like either the plane first flew in 1986, or it was in fact 10 years old, or it somehow sat in storage for 12 years before ever flying.
great work as always
Getting in to a valley with rising terrain is like entering a minefield.. the more you walk in the more chance of getting blown off..
Sad.. they could see the terrain ahead..still they went ahead
There's nothing they could do to stop the plane when the terrain was visible,
-That turboprop is no fighter jet!
*If they had the compass and other NAV equipment working so they could be guided out and above the mountain in blind conditions, this conversation would not be happening!*
From the first moments of this awesome presentation you can see a tragedy forming, lackadaisical pilots, no awareness of time, lingering over coffee like two frat boys (no offense to frat boys) making their passengers wait for 30 minutes!! Totally unprofessional behavior, cutting corners and skipping pre flight check list items! They are there for a reason! Pressuring the Tower personnel to cut in front of in incoming flight! The topper is not waiting 28 seconds for critical flight instrumentation to synchronize right before they depart into a valley shrouded in clouds! Makes you wonder what besides coffee was in their coffee! Another fantastic presentation by my fav channel! RIP to All…
Why do you sum up a video everyone just watched? Or did you just want to show that you know what "lackadaisical" means, and then you just couldn't stop?
A lot can be done to make up for lost time if the plane is functioning properly and still make the lateness work. An ace flyer is only as good as his equipment he is flying in.
@@larrybe2900 ...or she. And I only bring up gender because it’s hard for me to imagine 2 women pilots being so arrogant that they ignore critical checklists and procedures. Or fail to look out the window.
@@Olsenoid
You make a good point.
@@Olsenoid Wow! I cannot believe you said that. You cannot possibly think that isn't a really bigoted thing to say that women cannot be as arrogant as men. Unbelievable comment!
New subscriber here. Awesome stories and the production values are top notch. Gonna spend a Sunday afternoon catching up with some of your earlier videos. 👍😎🇺🇸
Of course its only the pictures from the simulator but if this is somewhat close to the real situation, I think the first officer was completely right; they should have tried to turn away from the range instead of trying to climb over it ...
Slow and steady wins the race! This is applicable here. RIP 46 people on board flight 518.
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
@@K1OIK It's not there to make me GOOD over internet. It's typed there for memory of those peoples.
@@parthgupta4850 You don't give a crap about the dead, you just want to brag you care
@@K1OIK Don't want to debate with you. I don't know what thoughts you have in your mind.
@Burton Fisher I don't know, you and your. I used abbreviations.
So, 46 lives boil down to not waiting the half minute for the gyros to sync up. I’m so glad I don’t have to fly around anymore. I once had to tell the flight attendant that the wings were icing up! She went into the cockpit emerging a few seconds later and before she could make her way back to me, the rubber boots inflated cracking the ice and clears the wings. I often wonder if I saved the whole aircraft by speaking up about that.
@chefjimmie Good thing she listened, that must have been a few years ago, now she probably would have called an air Marshall on you for being difficult. Shit like this confirms my decision not to fly.
@@jellysleeks9428 Some people just wouldn't speak up even if their lives were in danger. They are programmed to trust. You couldn't get me on an airplane today if you held a gun to my head. First of all, I'm not wearing any mask (which are proven NOT to work, it's all about control and I also heard the masks now contain Graphene look it up) second, after watching this channel and all the "Mayday: Airline Disasters" programs on Smithsonian I think I am now afraid to fly. When I die, I don't want to be mashed together with everyone sitting in front of me. (disgusting, I know) How could an airplane full of people or at least those sitting in window seats not speak up if they see the plane beginning it's take off roll without flaps deployed and NOT say anything? Even when I flew around the country in the 90's I always checked that.
What a terrible tragedy. Thanks for making such an insightful documentary on it.
I have a friend who's flown in and out of some airports like that, or Kai Tak. He says the first thing he always does, is go over the checklist, double check every piece of equipment, and briefs his flight deck. As he puts it "it's hard enough flying in and out. I don't need more trouble." He's retiring this year.
By all means let’s fly an unpublished shortcut route in hazardous terrain into thick clouds without any instruments because this is gonna end well - NOTTTTT
i mean, they were hitting on chicks in the lounge! understandable
Just to think, all they needed to do to avoid this crash was to simply give the sensors and gauges enough time to warm up. I don't want my dashboard going squirrelly as I take off.
as well as planning to fly an unapproved route down another valley.
This is excellent content, thank you.
These videos are amazing teaching tools. The detail is A1
The ending should read "In memory of the 44 people who lost their lives..." You can skip the Captain and F/O without consequence - since they chose to ignore the consequence of skipping checklists to avoid delays THEY caused. Not to be rude - I get it, the cockpit crew members had families - but the passengers and flight attendant are the victims of the criminals in the cockpit and are the only ones on that plane who deserve an in memoriam nod.
The reason there are few bad pilots around is because they wrecked their planes and are no ĺonger with us.
I have seen this story on Air Crash Investigation, but I bet that this video is better
THIS CONTENT IS **GOLD**
Not sure any of these videos are better than Air Crash Investigation. They would be if there was a narrator, but reading is really inconvinent. But I like the shortness of them
@@bowlchamps37 the real Audio is for non English people unfortunately bad to understanding.
Really? What series was it featured? I have watched every series, and not seen this.
@@Avgeek1564 bro where did u watch the full series? I wanna see all too, I managed to see only a handful of them, if there is some playlist on yt or somewhere else can u pls sharee 🙏🏻🙏🏻
When I tell people that I watch these great videos, they say, "You will never fly again" I then say, "Thats right."
I have never flown since the tsa nazis broke into my luggage. That was it, for me. Seeing these videos simply confirms my decision. Between un-American privacy violations, incompetence, questionable maintenance and questionable company practices >> if I can't drive somewhere, I'm not going. :)
Superb work as always.
Those two shouldn't have been in charge of an ice cream van.
Sad and avoidable.
Last words from the captain while about to encounter CFIT: "Tranquilo amor."
Says it all.
There's something of a 'don't worry everything will be fine' attitude in South America, even when things are looking shit.
I say this as a Brit living in Bogotá and married to a Colombian woman.
This is a masterpiece! Amazing job TFC!!
When they said in the video- voice for the cockpit, my heart sank.
great work man