Air National Guard C-130 Crashes Just After Takeoff in Georgia (With Real Video)

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  • @beverlyhigh620
    @beverlyhigh620 Před 3 lety +459

    As a past flight crew member, checklists are what guide the crew keeping the plane safely in the air. May all 9 souls rest in peace.

    • @mustardseedist
      @mustardseedist Před 3 lety +6

      Why does everyone go to Heaven? Not according to my Bible.

    • @beverlyhigh620
      @beverlyhigh620 Před 3 lety +21

      @@mustardseedist how is rest in peace going to heaven?

    • @davidparis8461
      @davidparis8461 Před 3 lety +2

      One of officers told their superiors that the had trouble before last time they take of from the previous destination plane was old and need to be out off comission but they told them to fligt anyway aint nothing to do with check list all of them was officers they know there jobs very well

    • @johnlafever3162
      @johnlafever3162 Před 3 lety +12

      @@mustardseedist no one said everyone goes to Heaven, but if you would actually read that Bible, instead of hit people over the head with it, it also says that you and I aren’t the Judge and executioner of said individuals!
      We pray for and over all of God’s blessed vessels, now and departed with the hope found in the Word!
      The Bible says you, if you make it to Heaven, will be surprised who has made it, and who is absent!

    • @bgslegendz67cat6
      @bgslegendz67cat6 Před 3 lety

      @@mustardseedist one* not won

  • @alanhigh8125
    @alanhigh8125 Před 3 lety +650

    The number of mistakes and procedural violations is incredible. They literally did everything wrong.

    • @jonthebru
      @jonthebru Před 3 lety +44

      When I fly commercially, which in the past was often, I often would think to myself that I hope all the people involved have done their honest due diligence, this video indicates that this crew, the whole bunch of them, didn't do that.

    • @theoracle6881
      @theoracle6881 Před 3 lety +32

      Started with the maintenance techs first, pilot then crew members. All failed.

    • @theoracle6881
      @theoracle6881 Před 3 lety +9

      @@jonthebru Started with the maintenance techs first, pilot then crew members. All failed.

    • @77Avadon77
      @77Avadon77 Před 3 lety +73

      Let's just say in a panic you forget the flaps over and over again which is crazy but let's just say that. Why the hell on Earth are you turning into the bad engine and also applying Rudder into the bad engine. It's like he didn't show up a single day of his multi-engine course. I mean this is just so bad that I think someone that didn't know anything about flying could probably do better

    • @SCUUZEM3
      @SCUUZEM3 Před 3 lety +19

      @@77Avadon77 man youre not wrong…even while watching the video i thought…why in the fucking hell would you even think of turning into the bad engine…its like imgaine you hurt your ankle, youll baby the hell out of that thing and not put any weight on it. Same thing with this aircraft. None the less we weren’t there experiencing what the pilot felt at the time but Rest in Peace to all those Airman.

  • @jamesdavidson7604
    @jamesdavidson7604 Před 3 lety +240

    The lessons we learn are written on the tombstones of others...RIP

    • @ThorShreddington
      @ThorShreddington Před 2 lety +18

      They're also written on like 8 checklists and a flight manual...

    • @fantomphalcon9153
      @fantomphalcon9153 Před 2 lety +6

      That’s utter nonsense. Military cemeteries are absolutely littered with the bodies of victims of mishaps and lessons not learned - otherwise history wouldn’t keep repeating itself due to the negligence of those still walking around having taken no responsibility or being held to account for their poor decisions. The worst, and most sickening waste of lives is within civil aviation. It’s reckless and abhorrent negligence on the part of those tasked with overseeing safety - there’s no accountability, so there’s no time ‘wasted’ - time is money after all. What will be written on the tombstones of those killed in Afghanistan that will ensure nothing like that ever happens again? It should be the medals of those who made the decisions, but we all know Generals don’t get punished no matter how badly they screw up, so no lessons are written on tombstones - they’re the collateral damage for irresponsibility.

    • @OrcusVanth_AV
      @OrcusVanth_AV Před 2 lety

      Rip 🪦

    • @guyfaux900
      @guyfaux900 Před 2 lety

      Yeah, we HOPE. 🤨

    • @guyfaux900
      @guyfaux900 Před 2 lety

      @@ThorShreddington 😂

  • @shadetree6705
    @shadetree6705 Před 3 lety +66

    This hits home, I'm prior service and flight crew. It's way too easy to become complacent and/or arrogant for some folks, especially when things are considered "routine" operations.

    • @aschiavello07
      @aschiavello07 Před 2 lety +1

      First, thank you for your service to our Country. 🇺🇲🙏 and lastly I'm glad you never went down. You hear all the time about training missions gone wrong. There was a chopper crash recently. 12 of your brothers were called home. One was a family member of Steve Sax. I believe he played for the Las Angeles Dodgers.
      Rest in Peace all of the heroes. 🙏
      And my thoughts and prayers go out to their families, friends, and brothers, and Sisters in Arms.

    • @aschiavello07
      @aschiavello07 Před 2 lety

      @Karl with a K That definitely would have saved them?

  • @Veritas419
    @Veritas419 Před 3 lety +166

    Staggering levels of incompetence.

    • @murugurthy
      @murugurthy Před 3 lety +3

      ITs very EASY to BLAME the PILOTS. Those with LOW IQ only do so, bcz they cant put their feet into another person's situation

    • @bobdyer422
      @bobdyer422 Před 3 lety +10

      @@murugurthy Then you'd have to state the USAF review board has a very low IQ, because they blamed the pilots. BuT tHeY cAn aLsO usE a Key BOArd.

    • @fuzzybutkus3951
      @fuzzybutkus3951 Před 3 lety +2

      @@bobdyer422 Let’s keep it civil Bob.Bagging on someone’s keyboard skills is uncalled for.lol. Funny as hell but uncalled for.😂😂😂

    • @niccosaur7778
      @niccosaur7778 Před 3 lety +3

      @@murugurthy what a sad simp life you must lead

    • @budyeddi5814
      @budyeddi5814 Před 3 lety +3

      EZ tO bLaMe PiLoTs
      So who is to blame then

  • @BobbyMulqueen
    @BobbyMulqueen Před 3 lety +573

    I noticed with a lot of these incidents, they have multiple times where they could prevent an accident, but due to human error and multiple mistakes they seal their fate.

    • @jamesrau100
      @jamesrau100 Před 3 lety +31

      @@flyingbicycle6303 And why the checklists are just about written in blood.

    • @karmathebrit7856
      @karmathebrit7856 Před 3 lety +21

      It’s like 90% of crashes are due to human error unfortunately.

    • @johnhickman106
      @johnhickman106 Před 3 lety +36

      It’s the error chain. If any link in that chain of errors is broken, the mishap would more than likely not have occurred.

    • @sirmonkey1985
      @sirmonkey1985 Před 3 lety +28

      there's human error and then there's just being completely incompetent as a crew.. this crew never did a single thing correctly.

    • @Simon_PieMan
      @Simon_PieMan Před 3 lety +5

      I guess nobody realises the seriousness until too late. Relentless training should fix that.

  • @casssmith2610
    @casssmith2610 Před rokem +24

    I lived in SAV at the time and the driver I use for getting to and from airport for my commute was actually on 26 where it crashed, directly in front of her. The miracle is that’s normally a very busy 4 lane state road and no one on the road was hit at all by this huge plane. Unbelievable.

    • @MegaRobbieDobbie
      @MegaRobbieDobbie Před rokem

      Highway 21. This plane crashed less than 1/2 mile from my neighborhood.

  • @Gamble661
    @Gamble661 Před 3 lety +267

    Maybe it shouldn't but it still never ceases to amaze me when a high-time pilot does something incredibly stupid and in the process just ignores years of training. Unfortunately it usually costs them and others their lives.

    • @waynejennings7046
      @waynejennings7046 Před 2 lety +23

      Aircraft manuals are written for a reason.

    • @spvillano
      @spvillano Před 2 lety +30

      Complacency and lousy training breeds bad habits, which frequently leads to incidents and accidents.

    • @alvaroakatico9188
      @alvaroakatico9188 Před 2 lety +3

      @@spvillano There’s no evidence of lousy training that may have contributed to this disaster. I don’t know why you even mentioned it.

    • @nicolaspencer590
      @nicolaspencer590 Před 2 lety +20

      As a ex Infantry Soldier in the British Army, ONE thing you never FORGET, is TRAINING, and its through TOUGH TRAINING, you always revert back to your training, NO MATTER WHAT. This pilot put himself and other crew members in a situation which he should have acted on the first indicator what is a big warning. Speed just being one, a big one, which is enough to think, cancel take off, and think back through his training, never fails. May God Bless Them All. Amen

    • @spvillano
      @spvillano Před 2 lety +18

      @@alvaroakatico9188 not briefing emergency actions, not following checklists are both indicators of poor practices, which are perpetuated by poor training or worse, no training.

  • @sabrina6720
    @sabrina6720 Před 3 lety +797

    Man this was so frustrating to watch, the incompetence is mind-boggling.

    • @millomweb
      @millomweb Před 3 lety +9

      All of this wouldn't have happened if humans weren't at the controls. It's time flight was fully automated.
      Aviate, Navigate, Communicate.
      Fail, Fail, discuss.

    • @patriciamariemitchel
      @patriciamariemitchel Před 3 lety +5

      Sabrina, thank you. I wish I had said that.🤯

    • @cbm2156
      @cbm2156 Před 3 lety +18

      After all it was part of the Puerto Rico National Guard.

    • @patriciamariemitchel
      @patriciamariemitchel Před 3 lety +21

      @@cbm2156, I'm not trying to belittle the importance of the crew members who lost their lives because everyone is precious in God's eyes😥 but, Puerto Rico is a US territory that still tends to fly by the seat of their pants and rules of flight change for no one.

    • @bolshoefeodor6536
      @bolshoefeodor6536 Před 3 lety +22

      @@millomweb So we can fly airplanes the way Teslas drive by AI. Suuurre ... you go right ahead.

  • @KenLeonard
    @KenLeonard Před 3 lety +311

    A Herk has made it back on one engine across the Pacific to Hawaii. Losing control of a Herk from a single engine failure screams of a massive failure of training right up to the Wing Commander. The number of errors by this crew points to a culture of complacency. I did 12 years enlisted as a Herk engine mech and more Herk flights than I can count. Promoted to officer and eventually Squadron Commander for maintenance.

    • @randymctavish3728
      @randymctavish3728 Před 2 lety +7

      Complacent fools.

    • @gregj831
      @gregj831 Před 2 lety +3

      You are 100% right. They got caught!

    • @olusesanfesobi5219
      @olusesanfesobi5219 Před 2 lety +3

      Great to know a Herc made it back to Base on one engine. I understand the Herk Flight Performance was done and found to be satisfactory with only 3 of 4 engines operating. I am wondering if the Herk that made it across the Pacific on single engine was fully loaded. I am wondering what heck of a challenge the pilots will have to contend with in terms of course corrections and balancing of aerodynamic forces.🤔

    • @KenLeonard
      @KenLeonard Před 2 lety +2

      @@olusesanfesobi5219 - the Herc that made it back one one engine was an A model, fully loaded with cargo when it took off and empty when it landed. The fuel crossfeed valve arraignment for the entire fleet was changed after that incident.

    • @hernandezcordovajanice6140
      @hernandezcordovajanice6140 Před 2 lety

      Not at Muñiz ANG Base.

  • @FrankGreenway
    @FrankGreenway Před 3 lety +18

    I was just a few miles away and remember that day well. I also flew out of that same field on an air force c-130 once. God bless those who lost loved ones that day.

  • @UnderWorldOfDarkness
    @UnderWorldOfDarkness Před rokem +14

    11:20 - very sad. However, the failure after failure to follow procedures that an experienced pilot should know by heart only leaves me with the feeling that this crew would've been a disaster waiting to happen during a real hot war.

  • @JPMongeS
    @JPMongeS Před 3 lety +1325

    The vibration on the security camera is chilling!

    • @KingofFray
      @KingofFray Před 3 lety +38

      Imagine a nuclear bomb vibration. Utterly terrifying

    • @charlesknowlton7198
      @charlesknowlton7198 Před 3 lety +18

      @@KingofFray Uh, no thanks.

    • @raymondmejias8071
      @raymondmejias8071 Před 3 lety +16

      I was really quick wasn't it??

    • @igdes1
      @igdes1 Před 3 lety +27

      @@raymondmejias8071 Yeah, it doesn't seem right for some reason.

    • @raymondmejias8071
      @raymondmejias8071 Před 3 lety +13

      @@igdes1 yeah, I agree it's kinda off, like a lil to fast because when we see the explosion the camera shakes right then and there...🤔🤔🤔

  • @Claimjumper55
    @Claimjumper55 Před 3 lety +59

    As a former C-130 flight engineer I find the number of mistakes almost unbelievable. Not following the checklists to completion or following proper engine-out flying procedures is inexcusable. My thoughts and prayers go out to the families and friends of those onboard. It would also have been a horrible experience for the investigators to watch the simulator reenact the flight while listening to the cockpit voice recorder.

    • @willia3r
      @willia3r Před 2 lety +6

      Its very believable to me.
      People take short-cuts, especially when they have been in the position long enough to know what to do.
      This situation just so happens to be an unfortunate perfect storm where too many short-cuts finally caught up to the people involved, which made for a tragic situation.
      Also to note is that maybe there could also have been a cultural atmosphere in which it is not encouraged to criticize highly questionable actions and decisions.
      I saw that latter aspect very often as an NCO in the service. There are a lot of senior-ranking leaders who acted as if they were Christ walking on water and couldnt be held to criticism.
      Luckily those instances did not result in catastrophic consequences.

    • @gregj831
      @gregj831 Před 2 lety +4

      That was about as bad a violation of procedures as I've ever seen. My pure guess is that the AC was a 'Hot Dog' with a Type A personality? Some years back we had one of our 737's go four wheeling in the dirt because the Captain just knew it all and hit the TOGA switches while the airplane was turning onto the runway. On engine came up and one didn't! Go figure?

    • @beargrilling9785
      @beargrilling9785 Před 2 lety

      Was not a pleasant prop talk to see that 3D rendering with the black box recording

    • @johnbrowning7623
      @johnbrowning7623 Před rokem

      I can summarize your comment with one word. Darwinism.

    • @MutegayaDenis-uu8uh
      @MutegayaDenis-uu8uh Před rokem

      ​safar, Hercules C-130 in Angola

  • @drpreppersurvival4775
    @drpreppersurvival4775 Před 3 lety +62

    And this is why Standard Operating Proceedures and Emergency Operating Proceedures exist in the military, no matter what they call them in the Guard.

    • @farmnranchapiarybeehiveser8120
      @farmnranchapiarybeehiveser8120 Před 3 lety +3

      Standard operating procedures must be followed regardless which flying from military aircraft too ultralights. And following a checklist is always important regardless also even if you're familiar it keeps you from overlooking things.

    • @SoyDelSouth
      @SoyDelSouth Před 3 lety +3

      Yup, even the smallest aircrafts checklists and procedures should be completed before take off. You’d be surprised at the amount of people ON THE GROUND who run out of fuel on their cars. Same thing happens with aircrafts - pilots get too complacent and fatal errors catch up to them. In this case, I can’t believe they did a roll-out take off and skipped emergency briefing. Those extra 10 minutes would’ve kept them alive

  • @FarmerFpv
    @FarmerFpv Před 3 lety +23

    All it takes is one thing to set off an avalanche, and once it gets going, it doesn't stop until it crashes at the bottom. RIP Airmen.

  • @schnitzelmopi
    @schnitzelmopi Před 3 lety +837

    As a newly-qualified USAF Aircraft Commander, it's important to study these incidents and learn from them. This was a completely avoidable incident and a failure of the entire crew. There is plenty to learn from this.

    • @Splube
      @Splube Před 3 lety +61

      Aircrew coordination is a thing. As a former flight engineer, this one hurts my head as well as heart.

    • @deanparker3328
      @deanparker3328 Před 3 lety +21

      Yeah righto!! Roger that commander knob jockey 👏

    • @ecs2ecs46
      @ecs2ecs46 Před 3 lety +37

      At least one good thing you can take from this. Loss of life that could have been avoided is always horrible but it’s good to hear you and your fellow pilots are studying and learning from this incident.

    • @TrueMLC
      @TrueMLC Před 3 lety +12

      I have a theory. Perhaps it wasn't a mistake. Perhaps this commander was suicidal and decided not only take his life but crew members also. My theory is based on the commander' s behavior days before leading up to this day. The rest is in peace and classified.

    • @deanparker3328
      @deanparker3328 Před 3 lety +17

      @@TrueMLC you're theory is complete bull 💩 lol watch the video you clown 🤡 it explains how it happened.

  • @thedevilinthecircuit1414
    @thedevilinthecircuit1414 Před 3 lety +172

    No EP briefing, no checklists. One mistake feeding into another mistake. Turning into a dead engine often results in death; this is a big part of the training for multi-engine aircraft. No idea why the PIC chose to do so. This accident is the perfect example of the Swiss cheese model.

    • @danielwanner8708
      @danielwanner8708 Před 3 lety +7

      Not aborting the take off is one thing . BUT why shut down No.1 engine first ? , take care of the important matter first and if necessary shut down the engine.

    • @bradbrinegar1419
      @bradbrinegar1419 Před 3 lety +7

      @@danielwanner8708 by shutting that engine down was just creating more drag coupled with the flaps still at 50% that plane didnt have a chance

    • @danielwanner8708
      @danielwanner8708 Před 3 lety +4

      @@bradbrinegar1419 exactly there was no rush to shut the engine down . Not sure what was going on in the cockpit .

    • @dictator9849
      @dictator9849 Před 3 lety +10

      @@bradbrinegar1419 I disagree, before the USAF report showed I knew right away the pilots fatal error was turning the plane toward the dead engine. Even with 100% flaps and three of the four engines that plane would fly. It wouldn’t be able to do a steep climb, it would obviously stall, but it would have been a much more manageable situation. A stall warning would sound and be controlled by a simple nose down and time to realize the flap situation. Totally caption and crew error no doubt about that, but without the left turn they had a great chance of making a toga. Even worse, the huge advantage of having a flight engineer and he never alerted the issue? What a pity all the way around.

    • @lbowsk
      @lbowsk Před 3 lety +6

      @@bradbrinegar1419 How did shutting that engine down create more drag? It didn't. Shutting the engine down would feather the prop. But more likely it had already auto-feathered following the initial engine failure. One thing is for certain, somebody's feet were in the wrong spot (as were the pitch, flaps, and IAS). That plane had plenty of performance available to keep flying, safely, for the return to SAV. All it needed was a guy or two who could fly and a flight engineer who could recognize what N1 decreasing rapidly means, and speak up about it in a timely manner. That takeoff should have been aborted.

  • @bodybong
    @bodybong Před 3 lety +15

    I was 2 traffic lights (about a half mile) away from this when it happened. my gf and I were going to Tybee Island beach, watched the plane plummet followed by smoke. It's amazing no vehicles were hit, highway 21 is usually pretty busy that time of day

    • @YARCHLRL
      @YARCHLRL Před 2 lety +2

      I was 600 yards from the crash in my truck hauling 15000 gals of fuel.

    • @bodybong
      @bodybong Před 2 lety

      @@YARCHLRL shit that could've been really bad... were you stopped at the light on 21 and Gulfstream road? Did you see the plane hit?

    • @YARCHLRL
      @YARCHLRL Před 2 lety

      @@bodybong saw it, felt it, called 911 while making a u-turn. I had just left Cummins on Kaiser Chemical rd...

    • @DANNYEVOLUTIONMR
      @DANNYEVOLUTIONMR Před 2 lety

      Wow 😞 😔 😢 🥺 Thank God you all are ok . RIP to the 9 Airman

    • @NineGPull
      @NineGPull Před 2 lety

      @@YARCHLRL wow. You can see that security cam shake, it must’ve been a big impact.

  • @juanmelendezrivera6085
    @juanmelendezrivera6085 Před rokem +7

    That aircraft was declared not fit to fly by an FAA inspector at Puerto Rico before the flight to Georgia. The tragedy would be prevented by disassembling the aircraft at Muñiz AFB instead of flying it to the graveyard. The FAA report was discovered by local press days after the crash. Thanks.

  • @8bitorgy
    @8bitorgy Před 3 lety +465

    When you're not prepared your panic reaction multiplies the original mistake. Even with this mountain of incompetence, the flaps man, the flaps...

    • @starguy2718
      @starguy2718 Před 3 lety +25

      Also, don't bank so steeply, into a dead engine.

    • @GM-he3um
      @GM-he3um Před 3 lety +3

      50 degrees? That is a lot of flaps. Guess it is normal for a 130.

    • @paulholterhaus7084
      @paulholterhaus7084 Před 3 lety +11

      The flaps would not have killed them if They had not Skidded/turned INTO the dead engine.........Paul

    • @8bitorgy
      @8bitorgy Před 3 lety +25

      @@paulholterhaus7084 with the flaps out like that, and the slow stall speed, any incorrect input is magnified.

    • @adrienroy9310
      @adrienroy9310 Před 3 lety +9

      It was the turn. I couldn't believe it

  • @gkprivate433
    @gkprivate433 Před 3 lety +338

    I have read about several crashes, both prop and jets where an engine failed on takeoff yet, the pilot kept trying to turn into the bad engine, which is against every flight manual and makes no sense. I suspect this pilot was instinctively trying to continue turning in order to re-enter the landing pattern, but obviously the wrong direction to bank and turn. There is literally no more important or critical flight regime than takeoff, heavy load, and an engine out failure. Every pilot should practice that first before literally everything. I am ex Air Force and hate to see wrong reactions, poor training and familiarity. These things were 100 per cent preventable.

    • @williamharshman9572
      @williamharshman9572 Před 3 lety +12

      Thank you for your knowledgeable input. It helps armchair investigators like myself. :-))

    • @jad43701
      @jad43701 Před 3 lety +13

      That bird should have never signed off by the crew chief in the first place. It was obviously not in flight worthy condition. I guess standards have changed since I left in the 90's

    • @williamharshman9572
      @williamharshman9572 Před 3 lety +5

      @@jad43701 I believe it was the final flight before retirement, of the plane, so that may have been a contributing factor in my opinion. I value your insight and believe you are correct. Accident investigation makes us all safer.

    • @vaopr1012
      @vaopr1012 Před 3 lety +37

      There were multiple almost countless links in the error chain that led to this crash. C-130 crews train for multiple scenarios immediately after takeoff. This crash was easily preventable. There are certain things to point out in this video starting with the emergency after rotation brief. The video states that it was never discussed, however aircraft commanders usually include that brief with the crew brief prior to stations and only update speeds during the before takeoff checklist. As for what’s in the flight manual, no flight manual is the end all word for aircraft operation and the C-130 flight manual is no exception.
      Looking at the profile beginning with lining up on the runway, it would have been best to do a static takeoff in stead of a rolling but that’s purely technique and not something established as procedure in the flight manual. During a rolling, the flight engineer calls out turbine inlet temperature (TIT) as power is advanced stating “700, 800, 900, calling “more power” until calculated TIT is reached, before stating “power set”:(when engines are stabilized at the planned takeoff TIT setting)” Any engine failing to stabilize or achieve predicted torque is an abort condition and the FE should have called the “Reject.” There was more than ample time for the call to have been made, and a more potentially experienced engineer seeing an engine at 94% (where bleed valves open with a gauge allowable error of 2%) should have called the reject. Why he didn’t will remain speculation and there is more.
      The video doesn’t accurately explain refusal speed (Vr) which is the maximum speed the aircraft can be accelerated during takeoff run, experience a malfunction (any unexpected condition), and stop within the remaining runway available. Unless there exceptional circumstances (the field under mortar attack for example) there is absolutely no reason to continue a takeoff when experiencing an abnormal condition prior to refusal speed. This would include the pilot not rejecting for an unexpected departure from center-line during the takeoff run. The video identifies their refusal speed as 139 knots which automated takeoff and landing data (TOLD) spits out any time the computed Vr is greater than 139 because that is the nose tire limit speed. As the C-130 is a short field aircraft, the 9,000 feet of runway 10 would have been plenty long to push the computed Vr over 139 while the aircraft takeoff speed would have been in the 108-114 knot range.
      Yet non of the flight deck crew members called the reject and instead opted to continue the takeoff. A C-130 is easily capable of taking off on three engines and there is actually a procedure for doing one. The procedures for a takeoff with a failed engine are similar and the profile includes gear retraction within three seconds of liftoff, engine shutdown and propeller feathering within six, followed by retracting flaps incrementally as speed and control ability increase while accelerating to three engine climb speed. That’s all well and good and fits a generic worst-case situation, however that profile includes the crew doing things not necessarily in their best interest.
      Three engine climb speed will provide the best climb rate but not necessarily the best climb angle and under certain conditions may not be achievable. The engine failure after departure also recommends accelerating to 150 knots (optimal decouple speed) in the event the propeller fails to feather. Crews have died trying to achieve that protocol. There are several comments about this video discussing the flaps. In this situation, placing the flap position selector handle into the 0% (up) position would most likely have caused the crash sooner. This is because placing the flap handle from 50% to 0% (regardless of the actual position of the flaps) would have shifted the ruder hydraulic boost packs from high (3,000 psi) to low (1,250 psi) boost reducing ruder effectiveness. This incident report cites ruder application (yaw control) reminiscent of the Greenville C-130 fin stall crash caused by the pilot relaxing/muscle failure ruder input to counter asymmetric thrust.
      Which leads to the mythos of turning into a dead engine. It’s all about energy state and energy management. If you have both, there’s absolutely nothing wrong with turning into a dead engine. I’ve personally flown a C-130 not so random steep overhead left turn approach with a feathered number one into C-Springs to a successful (albeit bouncy) landing with a co-pilot delusional in believing himself to be an IP and an engineer on vacation somewhere not where he needed to be. When all three are at flight idle above NTS with one dead, it’s all about trading altitude for airspeed when you need to before you have to.
      It is easy to second guess this pilot’s actions, and nobody can claim to know what he was thinking. This aircraft was in a low energy state, at low altitude and unfavorable bank angles can increase air minimum control speeds by anywhere from 11 to 37 knots. This unfortunate crash suggests the pilot was unaware of fundamental training elements. The investigation analysis identifies al of this. Your observations is correct that this pilot put ego ahead of safety. This was a USAF Puerto Rico ANG crew with adequate training to make them qualified but not proficient.

    • @bazzybazon2525
      @bazzybazon2525 Před 3 lety +1

      I concur on return to flight pattern. But left rudder was fatal forcing the side slip and and stall. I suppose no lift on the wings cased by the flap slowdown was the last coffin nail.

  • @alsleepr
    @alsleepr Před 3 lety +9

    😢 As an immediate family member of 2 ANG members close to this base, it rips at my soul to see these crashes. I have seen the aftermath of a commercial and cargo jet, which began my fears and fascinations to understand how these happen. Thanks for helping me try to resolve my issues.

    • @DANNYEVOLUTIONMR
      @DANNYEVOLUTIONMR Před 2 lety +2

      As the Brother of one that was onboard that day I can understand how you feel

  • @Bigfoot1955
    @Bigfoot1955 Před 3 lety +68

    The list of mistakes made here is amazing. How this crew could have been considered qualified to fly the plane is beyond me. I am sad that they didn't survive but you can't violate physics and expect to come out on top.

    • @fatasswierdo
      @fatasswierdo Před 3 lety +5

      100% after the rolling takeoff everything was done incorrectly

    • @seanlinnan2719
      @seanlinnan2719 Před 3 lety

      I kept waiting for the narrator to say it, " Unfortunately the pilot had only just done his 1st solo the weak prior and had not yet mastered the art of flying".
      As a pilot I can imagine why he would not have retracted the flaps at such a low speed. I would have been fighting my brain on that. I would have thought about keeping the flaps out just because we're going so slowly and we need the extra lift.

    • @sphericalearth1205
      @sphericalearth1205 Před 3 lety +6

      @@seanlinnan2719 As a pilot, if I had gotten into this situation without knowing the correct procedure (as happened here), I would have climbed out straight and achieved as much altitude as possible. I would have been keeping a keen eye on the attitude, airspeed and vertical speed all the time. I would have the flight engineer read the checklist several times whilst I performed the climb and followed it when there was sufficient altitude to recover from any unexpected behaviour. If the checklist said to retract flaps, I would do this with the recommended throttle and pitch settings but be prepared to set flaps back again if the aircraft didn’t respond favourably. I would avoid turning into the failed engine because this would obviously decrease the airspeed of the wing with the least amount of thrust. I would expect the turn to be somewhat less than a rate 1 turn at a shallow roll angle. I would only perform the turns in level flight too. I would fly well pas the runway to make a long approach in direct.
      In the end, I would hope that I was never in this situation because I knew the correct procedures and would have abandoned the takeoff run. If for any reason, I was unaware of the problem until after the point of no return, I would know the correct procedures by heart and performed the correct actions to save the aircraft and all aboard.
      Don’t get me wrong. People are fallible creatures. This crew made a chain of mistakes but we all make mistakes. Unfortunately for this crew, their mistakes proved fatal.
      Often, mistakes are made because people don’t know the consequences of the actions they are about to take. As an example (not really related to this incident, but still demonstrates a lack of awareness of consequences), I was sitting on an aircraft when the safety briefing was being delivered and the usual “fit your own oxygen mask before attempting to help others” was met with, “I am going to fit the mask to my daughter before fitting my own” by the lady sitting next to me. Once the briefing finished, I told her that attempting to do that could end up with both of them ending up dead if she passed out before managing to fit her child’s mask. If she fitted her own mask first, even if her child did pass out, she would come round soon after her mask was fitted. Also, the lady would probably be able to fit her own mask and her child’s mask quicker than just the child’s mask because her brain would have sufficient oxygen to function properly. The lady’s mouth dropped in an attempt to argue, then there was a few moments pause before she said that maybe the safety briefing should say why you should fit your own mask first, which I agreed would probably be wise. The point is, that if people know why a certain checklist tells them not to, say, turn into the lost engine, they are more likely to follow the instruction. It is hard to turn right when there is less thrust on the left wing, but if you understand that banking left is likely to lead to an unrecoverable wing drop stall, you are unlikely to bank left.

    • @zacharyhyatt1709
      @zacharyhyatt1709 Před 3 lety +3

      @@saturnity6 All US Air Force Pilots go through the same training in Undergraduate Pilot Training, so this wouldn't be the case.

    • @fatasswierdo
      @fatasswierdo Před 3 lety +2

      @@zacharyhyatt1709 especially since Puerto Rico is us territory

  • @leemilica
    @leemilica Před 3 lety +327

    It's interesting after seeing a plane crash from far away, there is a moment before you see the smoke and fire, where you are just like "did that really just happen?", And then you spot the giant fireball. Kinda depressing seeing lives go just like that.

    • @K31swiss
      @K31swiss Před 3 lety +16

      Been there. It’s sickening.

    • @SmilingDevil
      @SmilingDevil Před 3 lety +24

      The shockwave hitting and shaking the camera from such a far distance off is terrifying

    • @linspuk
      @linspuk Před 3 lety +10

      It is a numbing and terrifying experience, and when you see the pall of black smoke it's hard to put into words how that feels

    • @jesusislord6545
      @jesusislord6545 Před 2 lety +9

      Repent to Jesus Christ!!!
      ““Arise, shine, for your light has come, and the glory of the Lord rises upon you.”
      ‭‭Isaiah‬ ‭60:1‬ ‭NIV‬‬
      J

    • @crand20033
      @crand20033 Před 2 lety +2

      I hope it was a quick death with no one suffering.

  • @FlyAllTime2
    @FlyAllTime2 Před 3 lety +37

    TheFlightChannel never dissapoints us.

  • @hernandezcordovajanice6140

    I still remember them in my CBRN class. I Was Emergency Manager instructor for the 156 AW Mantainnace crew. They were the best. I remember them very attending to details in class and during hands-on part of their training. Very sharp. They were very dedicated in everything they did as finest Airmans they were.

    • @eagle1845
      @eagle1845 Před rokem

      Behaving in class and then acting like fools when away from the teacher.

  • @angryadrien
    @angryadrien Před 3 lety +14

    another great video clearly explaining the details of a tragedy in a thorough, respectful manner 👍

  • @CrowCreekOutdoors
    @CrowCreekOutdoors Před 3 lety +625

    An awful lot of half-assery was involved in that incident.

    • @GM-he3um
      @GM-he3um Před 3 lety +1

      Wow really?

    • @JohnSmith-lw2bm
      @JohnSmith-lw2bm Před 3 lety +16

      Yes

    • @adrienroy9310
      @adrienroy9310 Před 3 lety +45

      @@GM-he3um what was wrong with that statement chuck? It was spot on. Criminal may be a more accurate.

    • @hisxmark
      @hisxmark Před 3 lety +8

      @@adrienroy9310 I'm pretty sure Mr. M was being sarcastic.

    • @adrienroy9310
      @adrienroy9310 Před 3 lety +5

      @@hisxmark maybe. Never know these days

  • @starguy2718
    @starguy2718 Před 3 lety +85

    After all of that, the Herc was perfectly capable of flying with 3 engines.
    It could have been flown all the way to Tucson, safely.

    • @indybill4
      @indybill4 Před 3 lety

      The prop was not featured it created drag so the plan could not increase speed.

    • @firehouse6226
      @firehouse6226 Před 3 lety +12

      Retract flap gain speed and altitude and put it right back down on the same tarmac. Three engines are able to get that done. WTF.

    • @BillGreenAZ
      @BillGreenAZ Před 3 lety +9

      That's what I was thinking. These planes are built to fly with 3 engines. Hell, that's why they have the "feather" feature. However, they aren't built to fly into a bad engine with flaps extended.

    • @mred1341
      @mred1341 Před 3 lety

      Now all the computer flight engineers are coming out with their bright ideas

    • @firehouse6226
      @firehouse6226 Před 3 lety +9

      @@mred1341 anything is brighter than crashing an air worthy plane and killing everyone.

  • @brandonneely9982
    @brandonneely9982 Před 3 lety +6

    I have drilled at the base and flown in C-130's out and into there many times while I served in the SCANG. You never think something like this will happen because she is such a reliable bird and the aircrews are top notch. We have flown over the tops of tornadoes without so much as a bump. I pray the crew and passengers didn't suffer. Horrible mess, terrible loss.

    • @alvaroakatico9188
      @alvaroakatico9188 Před 2 lety

      The Commander of this flight cutting corners is what caused this terrible disaster. It looks like the rest of the crew followed suit.

    • @JuanGomez-hc4ou
      @JuanGomez-hc4ou Před 2 lety

      The Puerto Rico Air National Guard and Captain Rosaro are heroes - stop using your privilege to imply that they were incompetent! So typical, so arrogant!

    • @mikehertz6507
      @mikehertz6507 Před 2 lety +1

      @@JuanGomez-hc4ou you're joking right?

    • @JuanGomez-hc4ou
      @JuanGomez-hc4ou Před 2 lety

      @@mikehertz6507 Do the math, 80% of the critical jobs in the airline industry are white exclusively (WASP specially). We need equality across the board! Affirmative action, as done successfully in our schools, needs to be implemented for our fully capable and heroic Latinx and Black brothers! End racism!

    • @evilload
      @evilload Před 2 lety

      @@JuanGomez-hc4ou I take it you did not read the accident investigation board (AIB) findings before using the term "hero". It is available online and shows quite the opposite of what you stated.

  • @terris1958
    @terris1958 Před rokem +6

    You do an incredible reenactment on every one of these videos! Major kudos!!

  • @osamabinladen824
    @osamabinladen824 Před 3 lety +26

    In the Philippines too. A C-130 handed over and bought from the U.S. Air Force crashed a few days ago, killing 49 soldiers and 3 civilians. 😔

    • @SumitBisht0
      @SumitBisht0 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes Osama ji

    • @seventhuser904
      @seventhuser904 Před 3 lety

      @@SumitBisht0 ah, another indian who knows nothing but just to troll others.

  • @afhack6589
    @afhack6589 Před 3 lety +186

    That flight crew shouldn't have been in the cockpit of that aircraft.

    • @winnethepooh7986
      @winnethepooh7986 Před 3 lety +6

      They should have flying licence canclled long time ago. So far they were luck till this day. Sad!

    • @jammyn7368
      @jammyn7368 Před 3 lety +7

      As I watched, I kept asking myself if any member of the five-man crew had actually READ the manual as they seemed to have done everything contraindicated by the manual.

    • @adityahutama3992
      @adityahutama3992 Před 3 lety

      wrong time, wrong aircraft

    • @walmartdog1142
      @walmartdog1142 Před 3 lety +13

      That non-pilot that stole that turboprop airliner in California a few years ago was a better pilot than these guys. Yeah, he crashed, but he did it on purpose.

    • @rodbutler8069
      @rodbutler8069 Před 3 lety +9

      Never bank into a dead engine!

  • @colinhoward74
    @colinhoward74 Před 3 lety +5

    A case of an old (seasoned) crew , in a hurry to get home , a technical crew that had not found a fault and a commander that was going no matter what .

  • @LesBell
    @LesBell Před 3 lety +11

    You could hardly ask for a clearer example of an 'accident trajectory' from the Reason model. And these were very basic mistakes - I can still recall, from my very first twin-engine endorsement, the need to brief in advance for an engine failure: in the event of left engine failure, I'm going to fly a right circuit; _never_ turn into the dead engine, etc. It was drilled into me _very_ early till it became second nature.

  • @goblinboner
    @goblinboner Před 3 lety +811

    How to do absolutely EVERYTHING wrong.

    • @ronjones-6977
      @ronjones-6977 Před 3 lety +60

      I'm not a pilot and even I knew that turning into the bad engine was totally stupid.

    • @hivemindconcussion2173
      @hivemindconcussion2173 Před 3 lety +20

      Maybe they engaged in a preflight party the night before.

    • @InFamousAlex209
      @InFamousAlex209 Před 3 lety +31

      It’s what happens when everything you think that can’t go wrong, does, one mistake leads to another and another and situational awareness is gone, you’re in the most dangerous position to be in while flying. Complacency is a huge threat in the cockpit.

    • @trvman1
      @trvman1 Před 3 lety +23

      Wow, 3 "trained" people and not one of them knew what to do. I would have thought this situation can be common and this would have been practiced in a flight simulator on a yearly basis.

    • @aviationingta578
      @aviationingta578 Před 3 lety +7

      Easy to type buddy

  • @dbs555
    @dbs555 Před 3 lety +101

    The flight crew had no business being in a cockpit if they're going to disregard everything their training told them to do.

    • @lorenzog2156
      @lorenzog2156 Před 3 lety +5

      Instead of blaming the crew we should be asking why and learning from this tragedy. Was there a culture problem? Are there training deficiencies? Is there a lack of resources? We should dig deeper and ask the harder “why” questions.

    • @Neworldisordered
      @Neworldisordered Před 3 lety +12

      @@lorenzog2156 or do both

    • @AdamWeatherall
      @AdamWeatherall Před 3 lety +4

      Hey you fuck there are dead airmen here that had nothing to do with this decision. Watch yourself, be respectful.

    • @davidchorney8740
      @davidchorney8740 Před 3 lety +12

      @@AdamWeatherall D S said flight crew, not passengers. There is no getting around the incompetence of the flight crew.

    • @RadGnarRad
      @RadGnarRad Před 3 lety +3

      The flight crew disregarding all the training got some innocent ppl dead

  • @leighfieldsphotography
    @leighfieldsphotography Před 2 lety +2

    I saw this happen and I'll never forget it. I happened to look up from my work right as the plane started to bank, and I remember wondering if the Air Force (which regularly operates flights in the area) was just was just practicing maneuvers or something. The pit in my stomach when I realized that wasn't the case as it fell out of my view behind the trees and I felt that boom was heart wrenching.
    That road that they hit is a VERY busy road, one that I traveled on almost daily at the time. It's a miracle no one on the ground got hurt.

  • @myopinion9414
    @myopinion9414 Před 3 lety +7

    This unfortunately was pretty darn close to group sue side. A major “commander” had no ideas what he was doing that day, yet no subordinate crew challenged him as they should’ve to save their own skin, now only Hollywood can make hero's flick out of this one.

  • @LucianoJuly
    @LucianoJuly Před 3 lety +384

    Take your job seriously and be a master pilot, technician, mechanic…etc. Lives depend on each one of us being good at our job.

    • @felixcortes5829
      @felixcortes5829 Před 3 lety +8

      This was something they should Never happened

    • @misteryummyearth1055
      @misteryummyearth1055 Před 3 lety +4

      Thank you sir. For real , that's how it should be.

    • @ppump24valve53
      @ppump24valve53 Před 3 lety +6

      Absolutely! And take pride in your work, and always be honest!

    • @misteryummyearth1055
      @misteryummyearth1055 Před 3 lety +3

      @Lewis Thompson However,C-130 of late has become a gravity lover as happened in Philippines lately. Obviously,US pilots are by far , actually very far better trained .

    • @biolife3274
      @biolife3274 Před 3 lety +4

      And that's for any job where someone's life is on the line.

  • @charlesharper7292
    @charlesharper7292 Před 3 lety +103

    What an unessasary tragedy. There was plenty of notification to save themselves and abort the takeoff, and return the old bird in one piece. Sad.

    • @edcrego396
      @edcrego396 Před 3 lety +2

      that's what iwas thinking you they were being forced by there commander to continue or just neglect

    • @charlesharper7292
      @charlesharper7292 Před 3 lety +3

      @@edcrego396 Blind leading the blind.

    • @77Avadon77
      @77Avadon77 Před 3 lety +4

      Turning into the bad engine and applying Rudder is one of the most ludicrous things you could possibly do on any multi-engine aircraft.
      You always turn/rudder into the good engine and generally no more than 10 degrees. And why on Earth were they not checking to make sure they had a positive rate climb. Just looking at their AirSpeed could have told them that they've got too much drag which would have triggered them to raise the flaps. How can they be this neglectful, it's mind-boggling

    • @evangelinetinador9625
      @evangelinetinador9625 Před 3 lety +1

      PHILIPPINES

    • @JAMessinaJr
      @JAMessinaJr Před 3 lety +1

      @@77Avadon77 Flight crews are supposed to follow the checklists for a reason.

  • @gabrielsierra865
    @gabrielsierra865 Před 3 lety +18

    Breaks my heart. This plane was full of problems, when it was operating here in PR, those were reported many times and were never addressed by a variety of reasons. Then came Maria Hurricane and they had to overwork that craft. Basically they became used to work with all the problems the craft had. Veering from the checklists killed them.

  • @italianamiei
    @italianamiei Před rokem +1

    These videos are just amazing. I don't know how you do it!

  • @sr6061
    @sr6061 Před 3 lety +24

    I've been watching your channel for a Long time. It is noticeable the improvements you have made in making your films. Due to the subject matter the advancements continue to enhance the information you are providing. Your videos are both informative and respectful thank you for your hard work and continued growth.

  • @arnoldsherrill6305
    @arnoldsherrill6305 Před 3 lety +85

    I don't understand any of this this is an experienced crew that made so many simple mistakes they've just basically stacked on top of each other

    • @N1611n
      @N1611n Před 3 lety +18

      I too am shocked at the total unprofessionalism of this crew.

    • @Sebastian-xl7vd
      @Sebastian-xl7vd Před 3 lety +1

      :(

    • @robertcuratolo5339
      @robertcuratolo5339 Před 3 lety +12

      Man oh Man this was {"F"}ck up from the beginning and escalated worse as it went on. It was like they ignored every standard procedure to get off the ground.

    • @MrPaige222
      @MrPaige222 Před 3 lety +11

      Not just that.
      Just about every multi engine plane can fly safely with fifty percent of it's engines.
      These guys forgot to keep climbing to at least 1, 00 feet before attempting to return to the airfield.
      And then to ignore the basicssuch as speed, rate of climb, turning towards the STRONG SIDE, and, yeah, RETRACTING THE FLAPS, made this captain look like a new student.

    • @werquantum
      @werquantum Před 3 lety +6

      Lazy culture.

  • @twobeer3316
    @twobeer3316 Před 3 lety +8

    I wonder how much of a factor the crews complacency, was due to this being the aircrafts last flight...

    • @MrSheckstr
      @MrSheckstr Před 2 lety

      You would think the reverse would be true

  • @JustMe-ig1mw
    @JustMe-ig1mw Před 3 lety +3

    Damn, I flew on C-130's out of Pope AFB many times in the late 80's and seeing that actual crash footage chills my bones. We lost two birds at Ft Bragg DZ's over pilot's not following proper procedures.

  • @alltheoptions4youdutchandr271

    I was an air crew member on C-130 in the U S Coast Guard. I flew some fly engineer seat time and we had a prop failure on #3 on takeoff on a 3000 ft dirt runway after a -25 degree night on Resolute Island near magnetic North Pole. Our command pilot on each flight briefed us on feather procedures and treat any prop fluid leaks as a run away engine, and feather and proceed. We went airborne, took a left and went to Tule Greenland, had a new prop flown up, replaced it and headed back to Elizabeth City. This is a great airplane but shitty maintainence and lack of training creates tragedy. So sad.

    • @coastiesaurus6810
      @coastiesaurus6810 Před 3 lety +7

      Wonder when the last compressor wash with penetone was preformed? USCG HC-130H Drop/Load, HU-25 also. 21 years. ADQ, St. Augy, CLW, ATC Mobile, Corpus

    • @thefishingpilot2681
      @thefishingpilot2681 Před 3 lety +4

      KECG in North Carolina? Landed there a few times, nice airport and great ATC services.

    • @billghostrider7939
      @billghostrider7939 Před 3 lety +3

      Mmm bad maintenance ok got it. Lets say maintenance deviated from technical data and performed terrible maintenance. That doesn't change the fact that the crew did everything wrong. I flew across the ocean on a C-130 gunship that shut down an engine at the half way point. They feathered the prop and continued home after a deployment to the sandbox. I don't have access to the cvr or fdr. So I don't know what happened.

    • @chadh3441
      @chadh3441 Před 3 lety +2

      One of my favorite planes of all time. The amount of hell that can be rained down from the heavens is so great, it even makes all the Gods nervous! My dad spoke of watching the out-of-this-world light shows put on by Puff the Magic Dragons at night while he was in Vietnam. He said that was something you'll never forget, because with the right crew and pilots, the Gunships could put a bullet in every square foot of a football field. A unique and elite club that very few are lucky enough to become a member. Ive sat for hours watching video footage of them in action, and there's no way possible to do it without smiling..very similar to the "Brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrt" sound from an A-10.

    • @redsloane879
      @redsloane879 Před 3 lety +2

      Enjoyed Thule a few times, while serving in CFS Alert....love the C130.

  • @mariannehoward4442
    @mariannehoward4442 Před 3 lety +112

    My husband is a retired Air Force Master Sergeant and for a time was a load master . He also is a private pilot and after many times of observing foolish mistakes by A/C Commanders and other crew members he decided he had enough flying and to switch into another military occupation. He is now 80 years old and still going strong.

    • @alexanderdoorknocker
      @alexanderdoorknocker Před 3 lety +9

      Super smart of him. Be smart and live long.

    • @danielkeirsteadsr6939
      @danielkeirsteadsr6939 Před 2 lety +1

      He knew that over time people get sloppy. Developed little bad habits that get bigger until something catastrophic happens and suddenly it is time for a collective OH SHIT!

    • @jgunther3398
      @jgunther3398 Před 2 lety +3

      i'd be the captain who does everything by the book and is hated by the crew...

    • @scotabot7826
      @scotabot7826 Před 6 měsíci

      Wise Man!!!!

  • @keithbubb730
    @keithbubb730 Před 2 lety +1

    Note: if your plane feels sluggish, like something is holding it back, always check the flaps first.

  • @johnbrandon859
    @johnbrandon859 Před 3 lety +2

    This is mind boggling ... as an Instructor Pilot for twenty years in the B-52 (8 engines!), any pilot in a multiengine aircraft should have ingrained in their brain & body with an engine failure resulting in asymmetrical thrust, to always, always “step on the GOOD engine and always bank into the GOOD engine” ... the pilot should do it without having to think about it ... the most important thing with loss of engine in a multiengine aircraft is to Gain Airspeed ... failure to raise their flaps and banking into the failed engine doomed them ...
    The saddest thing is it should have never happened if this entire crew had followed their procedure to abort the takeoff ... airplanes are designed to fly and recover safely with one or multiple engine failures ... not one mission did I ever fly in the B-52 that I did not expect to lose an engine ... I thank God for my Strategic Air Command flight instructors ... they were the best!

  • @cycleSCUBA
    @cycleSCUBA Před 3 lety +303

    Whatever the cause, whoever is responsible, good lives were lost, families traumatized.
    God rest the souls of those lost.

    • @littledaddy30
      @littledaddy30 Před 3 lety +1

      Not sure how you know good lives were lost...

    • @oliverramboproductions5510
      @oliverramboproductions5510 Před 3 lety +4

      @@littledaddy30 wym everyone on board was a good live so good lives were lost

    • @oliverramboproductions5510
      @oliverramboproductions5510 Před 3 lety +9

      @@littledaddy30 let me rephrase it for you. It doesn’t matter if it was their fault they had a life and lost it. They served their country to, be grateful for that.

    • @oliverramboproductions5510
      @oliverramboproductions5510 Před 3 lety +12

      @@littledaddy30 wow your a selfish little brat

    • @DerekDavis213
      @DerekDavis213 Před 3 lety +3

      Maybe God could have retracted the flaps, and saved 9 people's lives?

  • @chrisyager9410
    @chrisyager9410 Před 3 lety +122

    What a cluster. Frustrating to watch. R.I.P.

  • @GlideST
    @GlideST Před rokem +4

    I believe this Aircraft was also at Dyess weeks before.
    Got a text from one of the maintainers since we had a friend in common back in PRANG...it was shocking knowing he was involved in the accident.
    This videos and info really really put in perspective the importance of following the tech data at all levels.

  • @tr4480
    @tr4480 Před 2 lety

    There is a particular irony in that I was with a group of disaster relief volunteers whom operate in Savannah . On that very day, we were engaged in a tabletop exercise regarding multiple casualty events responses at our Macon HQ. At the time the crash occurred, we were focusing on aircraft crashes.

  • @rudenvincentt.caguitla761
    @rudenvincentt.caguitla761 Před 3 lety +13

    4 days ago when the Philippine Air Force C 130 has crashed in the island of Sulu claiming the lives of more than a 50 soldiers and civilians on the ground. Salute to all the fallen heroes and to all the rescuers especially the Tausug villagers. 🇵🇭

    • @CaptainJadenAR
      @CaptainJadenAR Před 3 lety

      :(

    • @floraposteschild4184
      @floraposteschild4184 Před 3 lety

      What a nightmare. Not just for the soldiers and victims on the ground -- can you imagine living in a tiny village and having to cope with the aftermath?

    • @mrbobgamingmemes9558
      @mrbobgamingmemes9558 Před 3 lety

      Damn thats waht i think this video about ?

  • @marquettegloves9907
    @marquettegloves9907 Před 3 lety +83

    During this video I said out loud, "what are you doing", followed a few minutes later by "useless". This is what the Flight Channel does to me. I'm at 9 minutes now and fearing the worst...

    • @DOUBLEDEFENSE
      @DOUBLEDEFENSE Před 3 lety +10

      Well if you watch flight channel the worst is usually coming

    • @theelectricunicyclist9069
      @theelectricunicyclist9069 Před 3 lety +2

      Fears will be realized in 2 minutes.

    • @silentstormstudios
      @silentstormstudios Před 3 lety +2

      @@DOUBLEDEFENSE Yes, should be called TheCrashChannel rather than TheFlightChannel. There tends to be more crashing than flying going on!

  • @sonshinetres4541
    @sonshinetres4541 Před rokem +1

    My son is an active duty airman going into his 14th year. He doesn't work on aircraft but this still hurts on a personal level. I cant imagine what those airmen on board experienced in those final moments. Tragic! Rip

  • @vertigo2894
    @vertigo2894 Před rokem +3

    Can I ask why he continued to bank left? I mean I am not in any universe a pilot but common sense should have had him bank right to balance no?

  • @rickb1973
    @rickb1973 Před 3 lety +84

    That airplane was completely flyable after losing that engine...Its incredible that the Flight Engineer didn't seem to be monitoring his station and dials, especially after maintenance on that Number 1....And the pilots doing almost everything wrong after that is just baffling.
    I live under the approach path for C-130s at our local ANG base. I watch too many of these damn videos and I grit my teeth sometimes, hoping they're following their checklists as they go roaring over the neighborhood.

    • @rickrickard2788
      @rickrickard2788 Před 3 lety

      Almost appearing... intentional.

    • @skipdow3
      @skipdow3 Před 3 lety

      They must have all been playing ping pong.

    • @jasonking454
      @jasonking454 Před 2 lety

      I also live under the approach path for civilian and military jets and planes and I worry about the exact same thing. They fly in directly above our house and pretty low sometimes. If one of those big boys ever comes down on us, it will wipe us completely off the map.

    • @floydlooney6837
      @floydlooney6837 Před 2 lety

      Would raising the flaps had saved that plane?

    • @phreak761
      @phreak761 Před rokem

      Raising the flaps would have given them more airspeed with less drag, they would have been able to ascend and not put themselves so easily into an unrecoverable stall.

  • @dazuk1969
    @dazuk1969 Před 3 lety +45

    That plane should have been easily able to make it back to the runway with 3 engines. Surprising that a military crew would make so many mistakes. Very sad, 9 people dead when there was no real reason for them to be so.

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead Před 3 lety

      turned left where one engine was dead, shoulda turned right, pilot was an optimist n now RIP..

    • @dexterruby8388
      @dexterruby8388 Před 2 lety +1

      @@P71ScrewHead Pilot didn't feather the #1 prop, and failed to pull back power on #4 engine, causing plane to yaw left, due to over-powered engines #3 and #4, and pushed acft into ground. Pilot violated first rule of emergency procedures--- FLY THE AIRPLANE!!

    • @P71ScrewHead
      @P71ScrewHead Před 2 lety

      @@dexterruby8388 sucks how actions affect the plane in a delayed fashion n can be hard to recover from..

    • @dexterruby8388
      @dexterruby8388 Před 2 lety

      @@P71ScrewHead Yes, it does. Senseless waste of life.

  • @myresponsesarelimited7895

    Seen a few crash investigations, it's amazing how many accidents involve either not extending or retracting flaps, infact I think it was crshes caused by not extending them on take-off that brought about mandatory checklists ages ago

  • @Fuff63
    @Fuff63 Před měsícem +1

    Prayers and blessing to those affected by this. Hopefully never happens again.

  • @smaze1782
    @smaze1782 Před 3 lety +70

    The incompetence of this air crew is staggering. It's bad enough that the engineer or anyone else didn't notice the engine problem during the takeoff roll but then to input left rudder into the failed engine. These guys thought they were hot shots who didn't need to perform checklists.

    • @vintvarner16
      @vintvarner16 Před 3 lety +5

      I'm not a pilot and I am not mechanically inclined at all but even I know the engineer's job is to watch and care for the engines. This could have been aborted on the runway with no damage or deaths. Not picking on the engineer as plenty of fault to go around. Engineer had 1 job duty and that was watch the engines. Still my heart goes out to the deceased and loved ones, just needless and senseless

    • @timsindt5245
      @timsindt5245 Před 3 lety +3

      There are brakes, engine reverse procedures and Arrogance. This was arrogance

    • @rondj1965
      @rondj1965 Před 3 lety +2

      I can't get over the fact that they didn't even retract the flaps.

    • @flappingarms9335
      @flappingarms9335 Před 3 lety

      During USAF pilot training the saying was “dead engine dead leg”.

    • @chrishope4039
      @chrishope4039 Před 3 lety

      But it 6th 5

  • @martinstent5339
    @martinstent5339 Před 3 lety +157

    The flight engineer!!? Was he playing Pokemon? 5 crew and none of them noticed that one engine was defective? Well. that's a pretty low level of professionality.

    • @rl5055
      @rl5055 Před 3 lety +22

      The FE failed miserably and the right seater CP should have been backing him up. No crew synergy, tragic results. Crew proficiency score: D eath.

    • @oveidasinclair982
      @oveidasinclair982 Před 3 lety +9

      He had to be playing with his johnson, he should have been the first one to call REJECT, pilot, co-pilot and engineer were f-ing idiots, fair weather flyers at best

    • @Damone7653
      @Damone7653 Před 3 lety +4

      @@oveidasinclair982 please leave Johnson out of this.

    • @oveidasinclair982
      @oveidasinclair982 Před 3 lety +3

      @@Damone7653 just trying to stay civil

    • @mervynsands3501
      @mervynsands3501 Před 3 lety

      Most certainly is.

  • @claytontackett4511
    @claytontackett4511 Před 3 lety +4

    By the time they realized the plane was going down they didn’t even have time to jump… It’s unfortunate that nine human beings had to go down with it. I can’t imagine how many daughters and sons, mothers and fathers, or any other family members that were affected by this horrible accident.

    • @r8cobra
      @r8cobra Před 2 lety

      I dont believe the crew carries parachutes anymore unless in special mission enviroments

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman Před 3 lety

    I used to be an aircrewman in the US Coast Guard. I worked on {and flew on} the HU-25 Falcon, and later the HC-130H Hercules.
    One thing that was ALWAYS STRESSED during an emergency with a failed engine was _NEVER TURN TOWARD/INTO THE DEAD ENGINE,_ unless it was absolutely necessary.
    While I heard about this crash when it happened, I did not know any details of it or the cause until watching this video. Thanks for making it.
    R.I.P., Airmen....

  • @BillSmith-rx9rm
    @BillSmith-rx9rm Před 3 lety +95

    Wow, I'm not even a pilot and when I started reading about banking into the inoperative engine, I immediately knew it was going to be a wingstall crash. Unbelievable that a trained military pilot and crew could do this.

    • @Tarheel13
      @Tarheel13 Před rokem +3

      @karlwithak1835hovered? Oh Lord…

  • @barryroberts2196
    @barryroberts2196 Před 3 lety +101

    Another tragic loss of life, which, you have to say, was completely avoidable.
    All involved just did not do their jobs & what's the point of the manual when, in this case, it was completely ignored ?
    Great production, thank you.

    • @tensevo
      @tensevo Před 3 lety +2

      Basically no pilot expects an engine to let go.

    • @mrradman2986
      @mrradman2986 Před 3 lety +4

      @@tensevo Well they certainly should do, shit happens.

    • @SuperSetright
      @SuperSetright Před 3 lety +2

      @@tensevo ''basically'' that's what they are trained for.

    • @Bertrand146
      @Bertrand146 Před 3 lety +1

      Indeed, they lost many opportunities to prevent this accident, but due to human error and multiple mistakes like your father not shutting down his engine or your mother not aborting, they sealed their fate and here you are.

  • @ludicrous7044
    @ludicrous7044 Před 8 měsíci

    I worked civilian AF at Dobbins AFB for 35 years. I went to several off base crashes as a clean up volunteer. Most of them was human error. I only saw one on base crash by a C130.
    They were trying a new style tail assembly that was supposed to be better than the original.
    They took off for a short test flight with two installing mechanics and several contractors and AF buyers. They barely cleared the runway but never gained altitude and stalled. Went nose down into a parking lot and made a 20 foot crater. Needless to say that tail was rejected ! It was a miracle no one was there injured on the ground and very little property damage.

  • @justme-vn6tv
    @justme-vn6tv Před rokem +2

    Moral of the story is , NEVER fly with Puerto Rican pilots

  • @rondj1965
    @rondj1965 Před 3 lety +188

    The pilot made several mistakes then panicked when the flight started to deteriorate. Retracting the flaps is kinda hard to overlook, especially for a seasoned pilot.

    • @donmiller2908
      @donmiller2908 Před 3 lety +28

      It should never have gotten to the point where the plane was even in the air. The primary responsibility of the flight engineer, during takeoff, is to
      monitor engine performance. If he was doing his job he would have noticed engine #1 was not responding. His error cost him his life.

    • @trungson6604
      @trungson6604 Před 3 lety +15

      ​@@donmiller2908 --Completely incompetent air crew !!! So glad I got out of the USAF years ago. I sometimes rode on one of those C-130 at LRAFB, Arkansas.

    • @seltaeb9691
      @seltaeb9691 Před 3 lety +8

      @@trungson6604 I flew with the RAF & had utter confidence with our air crews otherwise they wouldn't have passed training. "Something wrong with our ships today" fits here.

    • @donmiller2908
      @donmiller2908 Před 3 lety +6

      @@trungson6604 - My Uncle was a 30 year man, USAF. Thank you for your service Sir!

    • @donmiller2908
      @donmiller2908 Před 3 lety +7

      @@seltaeb9691 - But this particular plane was old, I don't remember but 40+ years at least. Maybe they were constructed better then? But this accident was completely crew error.

  • @soganoflarider
    @soganoflarider Před 3 lety +80

    I was on Grange Rd heading towards hwy 21 when it went down. The sight, sound and feeling the impact will forever be in my mind. It’s a tragedy all the way around.

    • @paulchrisman9161
      @paulchrisman9161 Před 3 lety +5

      Damn, I can't imagine witnessing that. I can't imagine what was going through the minds of the 9 aboard as they were in a nosedive. One can only hope it was over fast and none of them suffered!

    • @susanstaggs7558
      @susanstaggs7558 Před 3 lety

      Now, that is a memory that will never leave your head (we forget a lot of things as we age, but that will replay over and over). Seeing something like this happen live definitely causes PTSD. Blessings to you.

    • @soganoflarider
      @soganoflarider Před 3 lety +2

      @@susanstaggs7558 in the days that followed I noticed how everyone in the area started coming together and being more polite and helpful. But nowadays I wonder if our country will ever find harmony amongst all the chaos.

    • @mikeshidin
      @mikeshidin Před 2 lety

      @@soganoflarider Probably not. That's the purpose of all of the chaos. Division and hatred. Perpetrated willfully by the democrat party for that very reason.

  • @nancysherburne7445
    @nancysherburne7445 Před rokem

    I realize this is a video from TFC of a crash in Georgia but the thought that the aircraft was to be retired in AMARG located in Tucson, Arizona, my home since January 1972, surprised me. The largest storage facility of its kind in the world! Yeah, Tucson!

  • @shaunelijah2232
    @shaunelijah2232 Před 2 lety +1

    I was a plane captain USN air '67 -'71. Yes, several errors by the pilot and crew. I'd like to talk with those responsible for training. But hey, it's over. Any crash is as sad as it gets...

  • @claytonvanthoff8889
    @claytonvanthoff8889 Před 3 lety +159

    This plane crashed right in front of me. I watched come out of the airport, and was the 2nd person there. They didnt feel anything, and I have questions still. I think he was trying to get back to the airport, but this explained a lot. Upon arrival there was nothing that could be done. A medic circled one way, and I the other until a explosion on the ground, I turned back, it was obvious noone could have survived. Most of the wreckage was the size of a plate, besides the tail stayed together. It was very sad, and having someone I love dearly that is a pilot it haunted me for a long time. I still get very uncomfortable everytime I hear a C 130 go overhead. I work in aviation also, so its a constant thought that bounces arround up there.

    • @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
      @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow Před 3 lety +1

      They were going out on a weather recognizance mission? Is that stratospheric aerosol injection?

    • @claytonvanthoff8889
      @claytonvanthoff8889 Před 3 lety +19

      @@ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow Actually I work at the airport, and was interviewed by the FBI the next day. The plane had 56,000 lbs of fuel, and was headed to Arizona to be retired, that was its final flight, in more ways than one. It was however a Hurricane Hunter, and jhad been stationed in Puerto Rico. My ex is a pilot, and I often read reports of hers. It is amazing how many accidents start from something minor, and snowballs from poor training, or mistakes.

    • @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
      @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow Před 3 lety +5

      @@claytonvanthoff8889 thanks for your reply it's a very sad story all right... The older we get the more we realize haste is overrated.. especially when you're obviously not flying a spring chicken... and between all of them they didn't have the sense to retract the flaps and avoid stalling... SMH... And then the wrong turns? They must have been in panicked chaos... To do everything wrong... or utterly hungover... or there's more to the story... the reason I asked about the aerosol injections is because there appears to be a direct correlation between toxic air quality and the rates of incidence and fatality from the supposed viral vector... And it's a particularly strong relationship when you focus in on the particularly toxic PM 2.5 Airborne micro particulates... sure some of that stuff's blowing over from Africa... and the bulk of its coming from oceanborn bunker fuel ship operations despite what was supposed to be a global moratorium in March of 2020... I'm hoping that the Flyboys are getting fed up with the Deep State agenda whether they understand what's going on or not... Citizens need to win the hearts and minds of our standing Military Officers who hold the Constitutional keys... And have the best ability to peacefully as possibly rescue us and themselves from the escalating abuse... Along the lines of the historical precedent of the peaceful and constitutional Carnation revolution of Portugal 1974... only we should be able to do it better with the benefit of hindsight and the greatest military in the world.... I think they deserve a chance to be Heroes for all of our sake in a big way... things have gotten way too Goofy... And we need to pull the emergency brake... we need to clean house and repurpose everything

    • @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow
      @ExileTheKnightsOfMaltaNow Před 3 lety +3

      @@claytonvanthoff8889 bless you and your wife and your guardian angels... And a steady clear presence of mind and nerves of Steel like Sully

    • @seltaeb9691
      @seltaeb9691 Před 3 lety +9

      Didn't feel anything! They were in utter terror until the didn't feel anything cut in.

  • @davidhapka5410
    @davidhapka5410 Před 3 lety +41

    It never ceases to amaze me how many of these fatal crashes are due to pilot/flight crew error.

    • @JWSmythe
      @JWSmythe Před 3 lety +4

      Most are crew errors. For the most part, a good pilot can fly and land an aircraft safely in most every circumstance. The ones that don't end up being discussed. It's estimated that there are 100,000 aircraft flights per year. A very very small percentage of them end up with catastrophic failures.
      This one in particular would have just been an aborted takeoff, or they would have reported the emergency and returned to the airport. Unless there are very peculiar circumstances, they'd never get reported or end up on the news. This should have been a boring event, that would have just annoyed the crew because they had to turn around and fly back.

    • @davidhapka5410
      @davidhapka5410 Před 3 lety +2

      @@JWSmythe Certainly plane crashes are few and far between, thank goodness. But again, when we see what happened in these chilling animations, I'm shocked how pilots with thousands of hours flight experience make such fundamental errors such as not following the flight checklist on the ground or in the air.

    • @JWSmythe
      @JWSmythe Před 3 lety

      @@davidhapka5410 It seems that there are a lot of people in the military who have grander expectations of their hardware than is really there. They'll fly huge planes like fighter jets. They'll ignore things, because they assume they just have the thrust to motor through problems, like the lack of lift. And they'll do stupid things because they've done those same stupid things at higher altitudes, and it didn't feel like they lost too much altitude doing them. If he had couple thousand feet, it could have been fine. At a few hundred feet, they died.

  • @NomadsBoyTv
    @NomadsBoyTv Před 2 lety +2

    It's not public, but I've heard the black box for this one. As they are plummeting it's heart breaking. All crew knew it was over once the wing stalled. Their reactions were heartbreaking.

  • @lennyroger1981
    @lennyroger1981 Před 2 lety

    My childhood friend was Jose Roman. The day of this crash changed my life. RIP my brother

  • @richardmaddock147
    @richardmaddock147 Před 3 lety +26

    RIP to the crew. Myself, with 1000s of hours on flight sims & an interest in aviation going back some 60 years when my Dad and Grandad took me to an airshow where there was a Vulcan Bomber, cannot fathom why the pilot was using rudder into the bad engine and left the flaps down. All I can imagine is that the entire crew realised what trouble they were in and ended up like the proverbial rabbit in the headlights..... Frozen in Panic.

    • @jamesoncurry5224
      @jamesoncurry5224 Před 2 lety +5

      They were not ready from the jump, this plane should of never tried to take off, i cannot believe the pilot and the ENG thought this was a good idea to takeoff... No doubt a large amount of complacency in their training, and lack of CRM. It's a damn shame the other airmen not in control became the victims of their lack of discipline and attention to detail (criminal airmanship). I also have 1000's of hours.

  • @judypoohdy
    @judypoohdy Před 3 lety +358

    I can’t imagine the fear in those men as they plummeted to their demise. 😥 May they all RIP. 🙏🏻❤️

    • @Bramon83
      @Bramon83 Před 3 lety +23

      Amen. You know it's over and you can not do anything. May they rest in peace.

    • @stevem2323
      @stevem2323 Před 3 lety +14

      @@Bramon83 Horrendous way to go.

    • @SoCalFreelance
      @SoCalFreelance Před 3 lety +13

      Fear, perhaps. People have different reactions to a situation like that. Someone could have gone out laughing at the ridiculous manner of death, or anger knowing they will never see their loved ones again. Others could have been contemplative taking in their last moments on this earth, or the proverbial life flashing before their eyes.

    • @raphaelklaussen1951
      @raphaelklaussen1951 Před 3 lety +6

      It wasn't a bad way to go. The didn't suffer, that is what counts.

    • @stephenolan5539
      @stephenolan5539 Před 3 lety +5

      The time between arrogance and fear would have been short.

  • @islanders3659
    @islanders3659 Před 10 měsíci

    My older brother was on the plane, I miss you so much, May. Carlos Pérez Serra, you will always be our pride I love you RIP to all the Rican 68 crew

    • @9donald_10douglas
      @9donald_10douglas Před 9 měsíci

      I'm so sorry for your loss prayers for your family I've had the same thing happened in my life...

  • @lapensulo4684
    @lapensulo4684 Před 3 lety

    Very well done; it shows that the vast majority of accidents result from a series of actions taken or not taken.

  • @nassermj7671
    @nassermj7671 Před 3 lety +63

    Back in the day on my lil 'crop duster' I'd done more pre-flight checks than this PIC during that whole flight.

    • @joemontano71
      @joemontano71 Před 3 lety +3

      Consequently... you're still alive.

    • @VictorioLopes
      @VictorioLopes Před 3 lety

      @@joemontano71 or is him? 🤔

    • @skipdow3
      @skipdow3 Před 3 lety

      I guess you know, it's probably why you are still alive.

  • @beastmaster_6426
    @beastmaster_6426 Před 3 lety +18

    I Thought it is the Philippine Air-Force C-130 at the first glance as it crashed a few days ago.

    • @johnbenjiebarnuevo1489
      @johnbenjiebarnuevo1489 Před 3 lety

      😢

    • @KingdomArtz
      @KingdomArtz Před 3 lety +8

      I think he can't do videos on recent events because there's still not enough information to recreate what happened.
      Before there is a final report which can take months or even years he can't do a video on that I guess

    • @beastmaster_6426
      @beastmaster_6426 Před 3 lety

      @@KingdomArtz yeah, you're right.

    • @tomboard1
      @tomboard1 Před 3 lety

      @@KingdomArtz You're absolutely right but the PR on the tail told me immediately where this aircraft was based.

    • @scarecrow108productions7
      @scarecrow108productions7 Před 3 lety

      @@tomboard1 the "PR", it's actually indicates as Puerto Rico. Meaning that WC-130H was stationed with the Puerto Rico Air National Guard.

  • @the10thman87
    @the10thman87 Před 3 lety +34

    Having flown in these reliable planes for over 5000 hours I can honestly say, there is always someone, usually a commander with less brains than ego, kills his crew. Yes planes break, but there are millions of words of wisdom that tell you what to do. Humans always fuk it up.

    • @lisamarieashby2523
      @lisamarieashby2523 Před 2 lety

      Not always. All accidents in life are NOT always human error. Since none of us are perfect, many things are.

  • @RyanMr6.7
    @RyanMr6.7 Před 3 lety +2

    God Bless all of the pilots. Thank you your service!

  • @bernardcheewanwong2510
    @bernardcheewanwong2510 Před 3 lety +11

    Love the bit about the static takeoff demo

  • @zekesdad562
    @zekesdad562 Před 3 lety +3

    Thank you for the video. I flew the mighty herc for 16 years as an evaluator pilot - what a tragic flight. I feel the worst for the load and pax in the back who had no way to impact the fatal decisions made up front. RIP

    • @chuckmawson7273
      @chuckmawson7273 Před 3 lety

      Just out of curiosity: as a STAN/EVAL pilot, what do you think would make a MAJOR, someone with (most likely) several thousand flight hours, not only turn into the dead motor but add rudder the wrong way as well? Can you think of a logical reason for an experienced AC to wind up in such an uncoordinated turn?

    • @zekesdad562
      @zekesdad562 Před 3 lety

      @@chuckmawson7273 The whole flight deck crew violated several procedures - engine failure after takeoff was commonly briefed as "gear, feather, flaps, checklist", never turn into the dead engine (especially at low airspeed) - for example. But I wasn't there and the CVR really doesn't give insight into what they were thinking. According to the video neither the flight engineer or copilot voiced one concern or objection to anything that was happening - so this was not solely the aircraft commander's fault. It is way too easy to judge this crew because we are all sitting picking apart everything they did with full knowledge of the results. Having an engine failure during takeoff is an stressful situation, one that you train for, but when you see it for real it challenges your training.
      Would I have done different? I hope so, but seeing this video and learning from it is the reason the USAF spends so much time analyzing mishaps. Like all pilots know - all emergency procedures are written in blood.
      What a tremendous loss to their squadron and families - I keep them in my prayers.

  • @christopherwing6435
    @christopherwing6435 Před 2 lety

    I reported to the crash site just after it happened. Spent 2 weeks sifting through parts and cutting up large pieces for transport. It was a catastrophic event and hard to imagine. I will never forget that day it was so disheartening.

  • @deamonfly6
    @deamonfly6 Před 9 měsíci

    This incident is currently taught at the USAF flight engineer school, and why ep’s and TOLD is so important. RIP.

  • @sfperalta
    @sfperalta Před 3 lety +51

    Time after time we see that disasters are often the result of multiple, compounding, mistakes (rather than a single error). This crash definitely follows that pattern. If at any time prior to the left roll, the crew had followed procedure, it's likely the crash never would have happened and the crew would still be alive.

    • @garrykennedy5484
      @garrykennedy5484 Před 3 lety +2

      So true. It's not just one failure that brings out a fatal crash 95% of the time or more. Distractions are the biggest problem according to Flight Chops investigations.

    • @shizzle7642
      @shizzle7642 Před 3 lety

      Yep seems vast majority of what ultimately causes fatal crashes are multiple pilot errors.
      Why you literally are putting your life in someone else’s hands when flying and why I’d like to see my pilots credentials before I board.
      I work in healthcare and if going under the knife for major surgery (unless emergent obviously) do some sort of research and garner opinion from others before jumping on the table and trusting them with your life to do their jobs in stellar form and not leave the place in a body bag!!
      Suppose I compare both because either cause me same high anxiety!!

  • @bethaniw7640
    @bethaniw7640 Před 3 lety +106

    I don’t even know how to fly but at every step I was like, “this is bad. This is going to be v bad....”

    • @jerryblandford1783
      @jerryblandford1783 Před 3 lety

      No

    • @David-ys4ud
      @David-ys4ud Před 3 lety

      Thats because the tone set by the person making this video is full of their opinions and pushing an agenda.
      Rolling takeoffs are extremely common place. Hidesight is always 20/20

    • @bethaniw7640
      @bethaniw7640 Před 3 lety +7

      @@David-ys4ud actually, I know rolling takeoff are common, my bf is an air force pilot so he explains a lot of these things to me.
      The issue is, as explained by my wonderful partner, you don’t skip checklists. Ever. That’s where shit falls apart.
      But I also don’t think the person who does these flights is biased. I feel like they present the facts without leading you to an assumption or to believe the pilots are terrible people. There is no agenda is straight facts.

    • @olentangy74
      @olentangy74 Před 3 lety +6

      @@David-ys4ud An agenda? The facts of what occurred were very well laid out. This tragedy occurred because of gross incompetence, poor training, and poor leadership.

    • @ericshimer6669
      @ericshimer6669 Před 3 lety +3

      @@David-ys4ud rolling takeoffs on second or more flights in a day. Never the first flight. Checklists are there for a reason. This is more or less a lesson in what not to do. Not biased in any way. RIP to those onboard.

  • @a.leemorrisjr.9255
    @a.leemorrisjr.9255 Před rokem +1

    The Herc is a remarkably strong, robust, & safe airplane more than capable of sustained flight with multiple engine failures. Human error combined with mechanical issue appears most likely cause of tragic end result.

  • @stringandreed
    @stringandreed Před 2 lety +1

    Absolutely appalling. This once again shows the lack of training for the Guard. No sign of cockpit resource management. Flight crews in the military must transgress rank and call out all discrepancies.

  • @derekhightower1530
    @derekhightower1530 Před 3 lety +57

    They should have never took off as the experienced pilot knew something was not right as they started to slide one way on take off. They had plenty of run way to abort take off.

    • @trichotillomaniac1959
      @trichotillomaniac1959 Před 3 lety

      If the plane is taking off, it's too late to abort the take off.

    • @derekhightower1530
      @derekhightower1530 Před 3 lety +9

      @@trichotillomaniac1959 no its not there was plenty of run way for these kinds of situations,its not like it was a tactical run way were you have to lift, they had time to abort.

    • @mikeloghry9521
      @mikeloghry9521 Před 3 lety +1

      AGREED !!!

    • @mikeloghry9521
      @mikeloghry9521 Před 3 lety +1

      @@trichotillomaniac1959 Not according to what the video clip read out said. They could have aborated the take off. When the aircraft first started vering to the left on the runway )-:

    • @mikeloghry9521
      @mikeloghry9521 Před 3 lety +1

      @@derekhightower1530 Once Again AGREED.

  • @murugurthy
    @murugurthy Před 3 lety +64

    I REALLY felt the ground VIBRATE after the Plane hit the ground!!

    • @brianl8397
      @brianl8397 Před 3 lety +3

      My brother in law said the same thing. he was at another truck terminal right down the road from the one that caught the footage.

  • @palanthis
    @palanthis Před 2 lety +2

    I don't think this crew could have done more things to ensure the crash if they had tried. Insane!

  • @melaniecarver5719
    @melaniecarver5719 Před 3 lety +5

    I was part of the MX Group who maintained this aircraft before it went to PRANG. We received the weather birds at the TN ANG in Nashville when we lost our H models due to BRAC. It was hoped we wouldn't lose our flying mission but in the end we did. I cried the day the remaining planes we had landed after their last flight at Berry Field. Still miss being around aircraft. The C-130 is a great plane, tough as nails. The problem with these planes was that we could not get parts for them.
    I read the accident report (it's out on the net if anyone is interested) and PRANG was having a hard time because there was no defined mission for them. I know how they felt because that was how it was for us in the end. Still, their apathy lead to a lot of mistakes resulting in this really terrible crash.

    • @virginiareeder9961
      @virginiareeder9961 Před 3 lety

      Thank you for sharing...

    • @chedelirio6984
      @chedelirio6984 Před 3 lety

      After this, 156th finished retiring their old Hercs and they were not replaced, ending PRANG's in-house flying component. As you state, at this point they too had been left with no "real" flying mission for a while and the organization was in turmoil; their last true operations were in the response to the Fall of '17 hurricane disasters.

    • @melaniecarver5719
      @melaniecarver5719 Před 3 lety

      @@chedelirio6984 The last BRAC really gutted the ANG. We ended up getting different missions but we were no longer an AW. I worked on aircraft for most of my AF career. Those last years before I retired just weren't the same. For a lot of MX guys it became just another job.