Marine Corps KC-130 Breaks Up in Mid-Flight | Falling Apart Over Mississippi
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- Find out why on 10 July 2017, a Lockheed KC-130T Hercules aircraft of the United States Marine Corps (USMC) crashed in Leflore County, Mississippi.
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The fatal crashes where everyone either did the right thing, or did what was thought to be the right thing at the time, are the hardest to watch.
As tragic as the story is, it has a moving epilogue. The small Mississippi town near the crash site came together and actually built a memorial for them in their community (it was dedicated a couple years ago). I think pictures of it are online still, it's a beautiful little spot.
I am heart broken at the tragedy.
@@thunderbird1921 This is a beautiful epilogue. Thank you.
The right thing would have been to stay in bed lol but nooo "I gotta do my army shit on that gigantic airplane or else captain colonel will make me drop and do 50 pushups". Fucking captain colonel and his bullshit
We are only human. Very few of us make mistakes, espec. deadly ines on purpose. 🙏r.i.p. And yes def thank you to the mountaineers and investigators etc. A hard but necess job
A relative of mine who is an aircraft technician, told me that whenever he works on plane, he ask himself what if his parents or his siblings were to fly on that plane. He'll give his best and more.
He then does his inspection, and work accordingly.
He:s conscientious.
BUG ON THE SCRENE AT8 MINITES 47 SEKODES
My brother is a airline mechanic, the strict procedures they do go thru on fixing just a single bolt is crazy. Just can’t imagine how things like this happen. It’s sad.
@@mattkelly9000 Because it’s the military. Not saying the civilian side is much better, but if you’re seen as expandable, you get treated like it.
That's why it's said that aircraft safety manuals and code are written in blood. Everything in that book is because of some reason, it needs to be followed pedantically.
I can't imagine the horror those pilots felt when they heard that horrible sound, looked behind them, and saw that the rest of the plane was gone. Those last few seconds would've been torture.
They would have passed out quickly due to depressurization....or they were blown clear and remained conscious until impact
@@jerryemelianenko6534 A depressurization from 20000' isn't going to render them unconscious very quickly... hopefully, they were knocked out by the violent event of the plane ripping apart.
Torture for us to watch. But, what they experienced, only they know.
They probably didn't know what happened. Their is a separation between them and the rest of the plane. I'd bet they fought it trying to fly it all the way to the ground. The people in the back? They just held on and knew what was coming. They may have passed out from gforces if the plane went into a very steep climb with the missing cockpit and remaining engine's turnin, I'd assume it did.
Flying itself is not dangrous but even more so than the sea it's terribly unforgiving
Ing of mistakes.
I haven’t visited this channel in a couple months and just want to thank you for including pictures of the pilots and crew members involved- very important and respectful detail, thank you
Agreed- it’s a very respectable move. Thank you!
@@laurencrowdis8364 It would have been even more respectful if they had gotten the Major's rank correct.
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It’s done on nearly every video. But I suppose because these are U.S. military people you feel their lives are far more important. I mean, the others are mostly just brown people from foreign countries right? Pretty sickening that you seeing a military crash is what led you to be thankful for including pictures of the deceased. Try having respect for all human life for once.
@@kevinwebster7868 pictures of those who perished
@@kevinwebster7868 These people gave they lives up serving the U.S. and protecting us. Would you do the same?
This is my Marine unit. I've flown aboard this aircraft several times for missions just like this one. We've been mourning our brothers aboard Yanky 72 since the day it fell and we'll never forget our fallen brothers who were some of the most exceptional warfighters I've ever known. I thank you for taking the time to educate others about this terrible mishap. We as a unit have never recovered from the trauma of this loss and we'll never be the same unit after this incident. I only wish you showcased the Marine Raiders aboard as well. Semper Fidelis Marines, your legacy will live on through us all.
🙏🇺🇸🙏🇺🇸🙏
Thank you for your service and the sacrifices you have made in that service.🙏🏼🤝🏼🙏🏼🇺🇲🇺🇲
To lose 16 brothers in this way must have been devastating. There's no getting over such loss, but my wish is that you'll all walk through the pain and, someday, come to a more peaceful place.
I am sorry for your lost.
Thank you for your service to our wonderful country.
Whether they die in combat or die as a result of a tragic accident such as this one, they are ALL still heroes... because they put their lives on the line to do their job ... and died for it. Semper Fi my heros ... you will always be remembered as the brave marines that you are!
Personally, I think the saddest crashes are the ones where the crew had no chance. The moment they took off, there was no way they could've saved the plane. They died because of a mistake they never knew happened.
This is why every job is so important in every branch of the military. People’s lives depends on everyone doing their job correctly. I remember this incident very well.
Personally,i think the worst crashes are those where the crew did everything they could with professionalism and still didnt survive....e.g:Air Alaska inverted plane near California or PIA(Pakistani) ATR who lost control crashed near Karachi
I know 😢💔
When I hear about anyone during it makes you wonder no-one wakes up and thinks they're going to die that day 9 times out of 10 it's something you never saw coming it's just sad just if you knew you were gonna die today what would you do differently, it's just sad and then to see it coming like that the fear that must've gone through their minds it's scary too, Rest In Peace.
@@246trixie : I hope so too.
The pilot of that aircraft was my second cousin Caine Goyette. His father was Cliff Goyette who passed away just a year or two ago. I can't tell you how much it crushed our extended family. He was a brilliant and impressive man. He had such a bright future ahead. The government is a mess at this point and God only knows what is and isn't safe. My prayers always to Caine and all the members aboard that aircraft.
I'm so very sorry for your loss. I don't know whether this or any other military aviation accident can be traced to the current state of the federal government, whatever it may be, but FWIW I understand that while the aviation accident rate for the Marines has increased in the past decade, for the other branches it has remained roughly stable for the past 20 years. And Congress and the Pentagon have taken concrete steps to determine the reasons for the increase in Marine aviation accidents and to make military aviation safer.
On July 8, 2024:
“A former employee at Robins Air Force Base in Georgia has been arrested by the federal government and is accused of obstructing an investigation into a deadly 2017 aircraft crash in Mississippi that killed 15 Marines and one sailor.
James Michael Fisher, 67, was arrested July 2, according to a press release from the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Mississippi. The former propulsion engineer with the base's C-130 program was living in Portugal at the time of the indictment, which was issued by a federal grand jury.
While court documents in Mississippi were not immediately available Monday, a press release from the U.S. attorney's office alleged that the former Robins Air Force Base employee "knowingly concealed key engineering documents from criminal investigators and made materially false statements to criminal investigators about his past engineering decisions."
@@CapriceRoller And that should tell you all you need to know about why our government and military is in shambles when those who commit crimes and endanger the livelihood of others cannot be held accountable since they can simply grant themselves immunity by saying "I am not a crook" and getting an unelected supreme court to rewrite any US law that might find them culpable.
I was in the Armys 82nd Airborne division and have over 60 jumps. I jumped out the C130 many times and I prayed to God everytime I jumped. May Peace be upon those Marines who gave their lives for the country, they didn't deserve to die like that
"RIP!"
@@petercaporn2244 , Yes. Salute 🌟
My brother was stationed at cherry point when this happened and helped all the marines that where killed with preparing the plane for flight. It still haunts him to this day that he saw all them on their last day alive
😞
Do you realize your brother likely sabotaged the aircraft? Recall that day, he was carrying a 1" socket bar, which was quite large and uncharacteristic for him to have.
@Colton: SOD is trying to be "amusing" by bullying, harassing and slandering others for some pig-ignorant reason only trolls understand.
@@someotherdude - You loonie...!
@@someotherdude you would not say that to his face. dont say it in here.
As someone who wrenched on planes, to know that someone found corrosion and a radial crack on a blade six years prior, and didn't remove and replace said part is unbelievable. Any Tech worth his or her salt, would have Red X'd that prop to have it replaced. You can't repair props with corrosion or cracks in them like this. Very preventable accident.
Your thoughts on this causing #3 to fail. Sounds fishy as hell
@@topangachronic9463 failure especially unexpected failure leads to cascading failures... i like that your suspicious of the events... suspicious consequences require skepticism and healthy suspicions in order to prevent future mishaps...
Sometimes all we can do to honor their sacrifices is make sure that such mistakes are never allowed to happen again...
And to create better engineering and fail safes and contingencies...
As a paratrooper it’s one thing to exit a perfectly good aircraft...
Even if they had parachutes a aircraft breaking up like that...
It’s just a horrible situation...
i was a jet engine tech and considering your supposed to do BPO after every single flight to check for stuff like that crack on the blade. Im really finding it hard to believe it escaped being found for 6 years. im thinking the crack formed during its last flight. I doubt that blade would've lasted 6 years before making it self obvious like shown in the video. There is a tremendous amount of g-forces and centrifugal forces placed on a blade and if there's a weak spot it'll make it self obvious and fast. Since strain and chances of failure are the worst at the blade root..were its also the thinnest section of the blade..
@@az_3kgt714 3:00 AM does strange things to your brain. Yes, impossible for a radial crack to live for 6 years. Crack must have started right before or during this flight. If it was just a corrosion issue, I'm thinking it would be hard pressed to live for 6 years also. Obviously some type of fatigue or structural failure of that blade.
@@az_3kgt714 Ok...but a very little corrosion point, added to tremendous centrifugal forces leads to an exponential and catasthrophic failure. A 0,1 milimeter corrosion point grows up to 1 mm point in a 6 years time frame, but then to a 150 mm in a split second...
My dad was a very proud mechanic, knowing, that every time he was the flight mechanic, that plane never went down. He had the C-119, C-130, & last the C-5A. The Air Force Love their planes. Got to do the same maintenance intervals the Air Force does as well as X-ray checks, corrosion, harmonics etc. Always ready to parachute out, just like a life jacket on the water. Safety first!
I was wondering about parachutes, but I think the odds of a catastrophic mishap occurring are so slim, so rare, that military would never be expected to keep their parachutes close at hand, and it's probably doubtful they would have had a chance to harness up and exit the plane anyhow. This was a freak accident, once the prop blade sliced into the fuselage and the plane broke in two, that was it.
Do you think that's a bit disrespectful to the navy and marine crew's that prepaid the aircraft every day ?
Oh no! I served with Hopkins at VMGR-152. What a great guy! So sad to hear of his loss!
Watching that cockpit descending directly into the ground from the pilot's POV just gave me massive goosebumps.
Imagine Lockerbie.
For those people dying it was horrible death.
You think if any had parachutes on they might of maybe cheated death.
@@deletebilderberg The difference with Lockerbie is the pilots, if still alive, wouldn't have seen the ground as it was dark at the time.
@@robertcuratolo5339: Probably passed out quickly due to quick decompression / lack of oxygen.
Cannot imagine the terror those poor passengers and crew felt 🙏🏼
I thought the same thing.
I pray that the sudden deceleration and depressurisation when the aircraft broke up would have rendered the occupants instantly unconscious if not dead. That is what occurred when Pan Am 103 was bombed and (minus the depressurisation) when TWA 800 broke up too
Yes, no memory action items followed up with check lists could have helped them. Usually their are 3 incidents and or mistakes made to crash a plane. They are that redundant in design.
I’ve always feared fire the most. But the aircraft ripping apart would be worse. As a Marine Aviator retired, my heart aches to see this.
@@clarsach29 I hope you're right because I had a mental picture of the crew watching the ground come closer & closer. I can't stomach that would be these servicemen's last moments.
@@SanchoGracie
It all happened very quickly with the damage done from the propeller the shaking from the vibration of the imbalanced engine. I doubt they had enough time to shut down the affected engine before it tore apart.
This kind of accident really hits me hard. I really hate a fatal maintenance error like this. The people that are responsible for this tragedy are safe on the ground while the innocents on board are terrified, fighting for their lives and lost. RIP to everyone who lost their lives 🕊
How about the long-standing treatment of the Marine Corps by forcing them to use substandard equipment the other branches of our military have taken out of service. I saw this back in the early 60’s. The Marine Corps runs on worn out equipment because they lack the influence of a decent budget due to their small size. In short, the Corps is frequently treated like a foster child of the American military.
I remember when this happened, thank you for the update on the cause. Thank you for letting us see what happened while showing respect to the crew and passengers.
Jesus, there was nothing they could do. Rest in peace soldiers.
I’m being pedantic, but in the US (and I assume many other nation’s militaries), a soldier is someone in the Army. An Airman is an Air Force member, a Seaman is someone in the Navy, and a Marine is someone in the Marine Corp. Calling someone in the Navy a Soldier, or in this case, a Marine, is very wrong in their eyes. If you want to generalize (which is how I take your comment, as it is a very common mistake), use, “military member.”
I know…I’m as ass.
@@ChristopherNips81 Never served in the US military and that's how they're called where I come from. I pray for them with the upmost respect and can't control what others choose to be offended by.
@@ChristopherNips81 No, you're not being an ass. I was about to address the same thing. Members of the USMC take great pride in earning the title "Marine" and do not like being called "soldiers." You are also right that it is a common mistake; I see it in news articles way too often. I'd add that I believe the generic term is actually "servicemember." :-)
@@jdshultis to people that don't know the difference we are all soldiers so just take the compliment and shut up
There was something Jesus could have done....
Can we all just appreciate how far this guy goes to show us exactly what happened, even drawing the cracking in the plane himself?
Such a stellar job.
Am I the only one who gets the sarcasm here?
@@ind347 No
Stellar
Oh...sooo he should have been able to show the actual crack as it happened? I'd like to know what you do.
There really is something harrowing about that "pilot cam"
...
watching the ground getting closer...faster... and knowing that there is nothing you can do
That... that hurts...
Being a Marine stationed in NC I remember pretty vividly reading the initial reports of this. I’m not in the Air Squadron community so I never knew the reason for the crash until now. My heart goes out to the families of all those on board. I’ve flown from Cherry Point, NC and on C-130s many of times. It’s a very haunting feeling knowing this could’ve happened to one of your close friends or even yourself.
I can’t even come close to imagining the feeling that the maintenance team of this specific aircraft felt after hearing the news.
Update. A close friend of mine who actually knew the bird that went down told me that the maintainers of this specific aircraft platform are the members who always fly with the bird. So unfortunately it was their own maintenance procedures that failed them
@@greers7296 That information is just not correct. Yes, sometimes squadron maintainers are also flight crew, but not all. In this case, the propeller failure occurred because of a failed inspection at an Airforce aircraft depot facility 6 years before the crash. I maintained and flew on 000 as a member of VMGR-234, where the aircraft was initially damaged in a storm. The Marines on Yankee 72 had zero culpability resulting in this crash. Semper Fi Marines. Rest easy, we have the watch.
@@pour4now Semper Fi Bro!
@@greers7296 they were maintenance technicians- they do not perform propeller repairs or non-destructive inspection of any critical parts.
I really feel for these Marines who lost their lives way too soon. As a retired Navy CPO I know no one ever expects to lose their life due to someone's failure to do repairs properly. For 3 1/2 years I was supervisor for a Naval shipyard where we overhauled nuclear submarines. Some of the systems my workforce worked on were SUBSAFE systems and called for very tight controls. I was often put under pressure to "hurry up" the repair and testing by my boss. When I told him I would not, I was called into the superintendent's office to explain myself. I merely told the superintendent that I was following the procedures as outlined in SUBSAFE work and would never violate these procedures to "hurry up" productions to meet someone's schedule. I also told him that I expected to sleep well at night in the years to come knowing that all the sailors at sea on boats I had had my workforce work on were not going to be placed in jeopardy due to our work. He said thanks, that's all I needed to hear.
I have actually uncovered evidence that other facilities had done unsat work previously. I informed my boss, but nothing came if it. It has been over 15 years and none of the boats we worked on had any issues at sea with our systems that put them in jeopardy. These boats get these systems reworked every 5-6 years. I really feel for the workforce that maintained this plane the last rework period!
Thanks, Mate. I was in the subs. Appreciate your principles
Sgt. Kevianne throwing a badass pose. That’s how to be remembered. RIP Marine.
I'm thinking in my head how the photographer says "turn your head more to your left".
Kevianne: "Like this?"
Photographer: "Yes but more."
K: "Really, more?"
P: "Yes.. Good. But little bit more."
K: "Wtf..."
I noticed that, I would've liked this guy.
@@kevinmalone3210 He was a good dude. All of them were damn fine Americans.
They all appear like bad asses and certainly angry at something.....Maybe they had a premonition how they would end. That would piss me off, if I knew.
I smiled immediately when I saw that picture too. Wish they were all here 👩🔧🇺🇲🛠️🇷🇺
Having flown in the C-130
many times as an Air Force dependent, “brat”, and active duty as well, I have some fond memories of the aircraft and flight crews too.This catastrophic event, and the loss of the Marine Corps flight crew, is a painful reminder of the risks and challengers of all those who serve in the military.
Regardless, “All gave some, and some gave all.” God Bless them and there families.
(I commend the professional manner in which this mishap was presented with respect and insight.)
dont they have parashots? so in case this happens they can leave? or is it different from how it was in ww2?
@@matthewwilson5019 is that a serious question…?
@@matthewwilson5019 No they do not. Parachutes are bulky mechanisms that are too big for crew members to be constantly wearing. Besides, even if they did have them on, it's unlikely they would've been able to get out of an aircraft plunging towards the ground.
@@drnogueiras8783 yes because I was curious, because I know in ww2 the bombers had them so I was curious if they have them in modern times
@@phasorthunder1157 ah ok that makes sense
Rewatching this, I really noticed attention to detail in the sound for this video. The sound of the engines, the bang, and then nothing but the rushing wind as the cockpit fell to the ground. It really puts us in their seats.
You use sound to it's full potential in your videos. Really good quality work.
This one is heart-wrenching. I would like to say that in their last moments, they were unaware of what happened, but I can't see that being the case. 20k feet is at the limits of an altitude where a human doesn't need oxygen (momentarily), and the descent was immediate and rapid, so I'm sure they were conscious through the entire thing.
No one deserves this. RIP Marines.
(Just out of curiosity's sake, I'm curious if anything was ever done to the maintenance crew who neglected to replace that propeller blade.)
U can't tell that they couldn't find the people who caused this so sad all those precious lifes lost
The maintenance crew should be brought to justice for their criminal negligence. I hope each and every one of them never has a decent nights sleep again. I hope they are riddled with guilt and have nightmares for the rest of their days.
My parents raised me with the values of their generation, who lived through the depression and WWII. I always do the best job I can and have been ridiculed my entire life for being a ‘good little boy’ and ‘workin’ for the man’ by my lazy and indifferent co-workers.
I despise lazy people and although I’ve never had a job with ramifications as important and potentially disastrous as the crew who worked on this plane, their laziness and indifference is directly responsible for the deaths of all those men.
I hope that thought plagues them for the rest of their miserable lives!
@@emmettmckenna4565 intergranular corrosion is pretty much microscopic. The maintenance team likely did the best job they could have given the circumstances. It's pretty hard to see corrosion on the internals of solid metal. Wishing them ill Is rather pathetic
@@emmettmckenna4565 Wow, your parents apparently also raised you to make a lot of accusations, ridicule, and pass premature and prejudicial judgement. I suspect your coworkers aren't lazy, they just don't want to be around you. But..."values of their generation, who lived through the depression and WWII," ....are you really sure you want to bring that up cause we can explore those values if you'd like to, and I'm not sure it's something to brag about.
the story about the propeller blade having a 'failed inspection' is nonsense- and a maintenance crew would never be charged with tearing a propeller down in order to replace a blade- much less with performing non-destructive testing on it. i would doubt very much if any of said crew would even have certification to do NDI. its not something a guy could learn in basic training or even specialized training. guys that do responsible jobs like that would likely start out in motor-equipment technical training and work their way up to airman training. are you saying the maintenance crews also have their own propeller stations?? that is absolutely ridiculous.
I'm really glad there's no in flight recording of this crash, because it would probably haunt all of us.
If the 'black' box was in the rear it would have been cut once the flight deck separated from the rest of the fuselage. If it was mounted in the front section, power to it would have been lost.
@@shed66215 I'm glad....wouldn't want to hear all the screaming 😞 RIP....
@insidejob ......why 🤔
@@wesleynorris2313 Out if morbid curiosity. Flight 427 wrecked 27 years ago yesterday (Sept 8, 1994). I was 12 when it happened and lived in Pittsburgh (it wrecked about 20 miles away), the news that night talked of body parts everywhere and in the trees. They read the transcript of the CVR on the news and it said, (people screaming in the background) and I wanted to hear it ever since.
I contacted the NTSB to see if they would release it but the lady said no, with a bad attitude lol.
@@jimhurst82 Tell us you''re a psychopath without using the word psychopath
I'm ex-Army Infantry so I'm thinking about the guys in the back....What really sucks for them, here, is that they're a squad of Marine Raiders...some of the relatively few Marines who are probably trained and qualified to parachute from a C-130...but that's not an option....Sucks....
knowing this made this whole accident even worse to imagine. 100s of thoughts might have crossed their mind in those few moments.
@@spotting_experiment Pretty sure the damage happened very quickly and those people were hit with a terrible blast of air and debris which probably rendered them unconscious very quickly. One can only hope anyway.
I was thinking the EXACT THING!! I was telling out loud Lord please please please jump! Tell me they have parachutes!!!!! But no.... 😪😔
Can't get to these parachutes......not prepared for a drop, well, not that sort of a drop. Bummer.
While I was in the CG, all aviation personnel were given training in parachute use when I first enlisted. years later the service determined that the C130 was so safe that there was no need to carry parachutes for any one other than crew involved in dropping cargo.
To The Flight Channel creator, I just want to compliment you on your excellent and fascinating videos. The video re-creations, your research, the commentary and the musical soundtrack are all excellent. Thank you!
This hits especially hard. Those brave servicemen died on my home state's soil only four years ago, so it is still a fresh wound. Rest in peace, flight crew and passengers💔.
As a former Airframer from VMGR-252 this hit really hard when it happened. RIP to the Crew and other Marines aboard Yankey-72.
while watching this i put myself in the cockpit as if i was there and it truly hit me in the gut, what those guys lived thru while all this was going on was nothing less than horrifying, they fully understood that they was about to die and had to wait for the end, my god man,
this was as bad as it gets
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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This one actually pulled some tears. Hearing the man's voice before disaster...I wonder what happened inside the plane as the catastrophe began. They had no chance at all, there was no saving anything or anyone, and that's horrific....RIP to those 16 passengers..
A terrible loss, prayers for all the families involved..R.I.P. May you be at peace now
This is heartbreaking! When I retired and worked at FRCE we serviced the props for the C130. I retired in 2012 and it would break my heart to know this was due to our negligence. I also was stationed in MAG 32 CPNC from 77-83 in the air frames division. I did everything I could to give the guys a fighting chance.
someone did.
I write this from my Grandfather’s chair retired after 50 years of aviation. My first flight as a cadet in 1970 was in the back of a C130 from RAF Fairford with 70 Sqn. Later in the 80s it was the C130 again for 2 tours of duty with 47 Sqn my adolescent ambition achieved. We would often fly the route on NATO exercises past Jackson. Rest in Pease.
Having logged many hours in Hercs, I'm glad I didn't see this till after I retired! RIP Marines.
They're pretty damn reliable.
Very useful as a gunship
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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Having been a crew member on such aircraft i would still rather fly these aircraft than any other.
This hits very close for me. Been in aviation for 14 years now and was previously a C-130 engine troop for 8 years performing Line/Test Cell/Phase/Iso maintenance on the T56/Props. Doing thorough blade inspections and knowing what to look for were paramount. The fact that this mishap occurred from lack of proper maintenance in an area I was familiar with only serves to reinforce to never adopt a level of complacency.
RIP
theres nothing a maintenance crew could have done for a propeller that fails in that manner unless the blade was impacted and they missed the marks it MAY have left behind- thats why i always advise pilots to keep their propellers painted and pretty so they can more easily spot ground/rock and runway-light strikes....
This appears to be be a depot level oversight. I worked on C-130 T-56 engs for nearly as many years as yourself and I doubt routine flightline Mx would’ve prevented this failure.
RIP to everyone on this craft. I can't imagine how scary their last moments were
they were america's finest- and they probably weren't as afraid to die as you obviously are...
These blades are made of an aluminum alloy, and are very strong and robust. That being said, following proper maintenance guidelines is imperative. It took six years for the micro cracks to propagate and cause the blade to fail. RIP Marines.
Somebody missed it yes
@@kirilmihaylov1934 not necessarily... Cracks can begin at any time due to stress loads. Even a properly maintained craft with periodic and sheduled NDT, (non-destructive testing), imspections. Sadly, you can't NDT parts before every single flight. RIP to my fallen brothers! Semper Fi
How was it not detected ?
@@tima.478 this is an old incident from 2017 and yes the cracks were detected but not treated properly leading to failure. So this was avoidable.
@@linanicolia1363 it was detected during maintenance but the contractor company failed to correctly treat the cracks and the failure occurred later when the cracks continued to grow.
Heart breaking. Can't imagine what went through the crews' mind as the plane breaking apart. Rest easy all the crew and passengers.
Can you imagine being one of the accident investigation team and you end up having to listen to the CVR while all of this was happening?. Truly the stuff of nightmares.... I can understand why that tape was never publicly released
20,000 feet is a long way to fall! A hair over 3- 3/4 miles high! Skydivers don't even jump out that high
They had a lot of time to think. Wonder if any had on parachutes? Probably not, since they wern't in a Combat Role at the time. I fly private planes a lot, so falling from the sky has crossed my mind!
@@CurtisDrew1It's likely they passed out due to lack of oxygen. They were at 20,000 ft.
@@kevinmalone3210 Nah. For healthy people 20,000’, which reduced quickly, doesn't cause instant unconsciousness. Commercial airliners that have catastrophic loss of pressure dive rapidly to 14,000’. The pilots don't necessarily pass out before they can get their oxygen masks on, even at 45,000’. Their mental faculties degrade rapidly. That's why the flight manual was upgraded to putting masks on first. One pilot continues to fly the plane while the other gets his(her) mask on and turns on the oxygen. Then the one breathing oxygen takes the aircraft and the other puts his mask on.
@@algrayson8965 ur right. There was actually a Learjet that crashed because the crew and passengers passed out due to the fact that the checklist told them to troubleshoot the problem before putting on their oxygen masks, so they were unconscious before they found the problem, and that’s why checklists tell pilots to put on their mask first. But in this c130 crash the pilots could do nothing to save themselves, as they couldn’t recover their plane with that amount of damage so masks would do nothing
RIP to the Marines, it's so sad to see these service members pay the ultimate price of serving their country.
These guys were regular folk like you and me with dreams and goals ...Sometimes at cruising altitude pilots actual get bored and day dream about what their plans are for that night or maybe a weekend fishing trip with their kids , can you imagine in the wink of an eye you just realized its over , its over right now ..
This type of accident was one of my biggest fears as an AW Aircrewman flying in the Lockheed P-3 Orion. May they rest in peace. #FlyNavy
P-3s are awesome! You rock Kim!!
50 years ago I painted the pelicans? and did other airframe maintenance on the VP-45 P-3s at NAS JAX.
Got to fly on one a few months ago in Lakeland
While pronounced "Mayor" in Spanish, the actual spelling, and actual US Military rank is "Major".
I was going to say... why is this guy flying when he's got a city to run!
Dope bro.
I stopped to see if that had been addressed. Back to the vid.
Yes Mayor.
Duh. Sloppy, sloppy editing.
As a former military aviator, I feel for these fellas. That ride down is a military aviators worst nightmare.
any aviators worse nightmare..any pilot. They have nightmares too.
This might be the scariest accident I've seen. Just cruising along, and sudenly the entire aircraft is guilotined. I'm not sure if crew and passengers were most scared or most in total disbelief.
I always wondered if such a thing could happen if a propeller blade tore lose. Obviously it can.
sorry youre so scared. these guys probably huddled together and prayed with no fear because they were Marines....
All I could think was, "holy shit!" What must've been going through their minds as the crew plummeted to the ground, and the passengers, seeing the separation in front of them, knowing that
they are breathing their last breaths. Powerful stuff.
Flight opened at 20k feet. I guess they all did black out in seconds. RIP to those pretty, strong and unlucky people
First off "shit" is not holy. The word "holy" means set apart. That is reserved for God almighty. That said I am sad for the families who lost loved ones.
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Well, I don't know about you stan but I always try to set my shit apart. As quickly as possible by flushing and leaving the room to go wash my hands. Just sayin'
@@stanarmstrong1301It's "God Almighty", both words capitalized when referring to the One Creator. If you're going to be a god freak, get it right.
@@uniqueurl It wouldn’t have been seconds at 20,00ft. Even on Mount Everest it probably takes 30ish seconds to a minute for someone to pass out for oxygen depletion and that’s slightly above 30,000ft. Considering their rate of decent I’d imagine unfortunately they would’ve been conscious for it all.
RIP, Devil Dogs. This hits me on two levels. The first six years of my military career were spent as a United States Marine. The last 17 years of my military career were spent as a C-130 loadmaster. Semper Fi.
I appreciate that you don’t put music in at the parts depicting the disaster within fsx. So sounds, no dramatics, just the depiction and the text (though that boom at the end was corny af). Judging by the thumbnail I thought this was gonna be all dramatized for views but I’m happy in wrong. Thank you for being so respectful to the dead and the mourning in not just this video, but in the rest of your videos too, regardless of the situation.
As a retired C-130 crew member blade separations like this one are/were extremely rare. I think the old 3-bladed props had a few but the 4-bladed ones(54H60) were basically unheard of. And although not stated in the video the issue was with the propeller depot maintenance at Robins AFB. All the blades were sent here for their inspections performed by civilian civil service employees. It is here where they failed to detect the crack(s). This is a high level inspection and requires specialized equipment not normally seen at lower levels like at an air base.
And while blade separations were rare, engine gearboxes coming apart due to inflight issues were, although rare still, more prevalent. We lost a number of C-130s over the years due to inflight gearbox destruction. Which, if I remember correctly, is what happened to #3 on this incident. When the blade separated from the #2 engine the severe yawing caused the #3 engine gearbox to come apart which caused the #3 propeller assembly to separate.
Most of the remaining "legacy" C-130s flying(not the newer J models) now are slowly converting to the newer NP2000 prop assembly. (8 bladed)
It always amazes me how the investigation could figure out exactly what happened in the air. RIP to those that lost their lives.
I've read a few books on it, it is a fairly new science pioneered by the British when they were investigating a series of crashes of the dehaviland comet jet airliner in the 1950s. Most air crashes involve a Cascade of events, adscence of any one and the crash doesn't happen.
@@kdrapertrucker or....if just one part of it is lied-about or exaggerated- it takes away the credibility of the whole story.
This is one of the most dreaded mishap that has ever happened with the inflight crew... We can't feel their terror when all this chain of incidents would have taken place 🥺
To the marines and soldiers and navy and airforce personnel that passed away because of this crash RIP rest easy …. Your military brothers and sisters have the watch from here on now … thank you for ur service💔💔
Thank you for not adding unnecessary and irritating fast screen wipes, fast "pans", and irritating jiggles which cause literal physical eye pain and are common to so many of your videos.
Reminds me of TWA 800 where the front of the aircraft broke away from the explosion. The brutal horror those people must have felt knowing they were going to die.
The only good thing from twa 800 is that at least 182 of the passengers and crew were killed by the explosion rather than anything after it.
@@gamma_dablam Sad to say those people were the lucky ones. It was over quickly for them.
I had just got back from Amsterdam when that happened. I was scheduled to fly the next day. I called in sick. It was so traumatic.
@@sarahalbers5555 I don't blame you one bit! That was horrific for sure.
TheAirCrashRecreator did a recreation of the TWA flight some years back. If what it detailed was factual, it was horrible for those passengers. I didn't sleep well after watching it.
This is utterly heartbreaking...
Rest in Peace for those onboard who were perished.
That’s heartbreaking, my condolences to the families. God Bless those who protect us.
Thank you "Flight Channel" for your excellent and sensitive presentation. RIP marines.
This has to be the weirdest accident I ever heard of
Rip
It seems more Hollywood than possible. Just horrifying.
Strangely this happened to a P-3 near Fujairah. One prop came off and went through the airframe taking out two other engines on the opposite wing. They landed in the water off the coast.
At least no one on the ground was hurt. But yeah. Six years brewing….
Yes so sad RIP to all, I thought the fuselage was sturdy and toughened up in these area's, one side and then the other, if the cockpit never separated could it still have flown to safety.
@@stephenlamb9008 I believe so. Although I have zero scientific knowledge about the topic lol
This is possibly the worst one I've ever seen as far as malfunction goes, literally nothing could've helped anyone involved in this incident. And the fact that everyone involved was probably aware of what was going on the whole time is brutal.
RIP to everyone involved. My buddy is a Navy pilot and this stuff really gets to me.
This one leaves you feeling even more helpless:
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@@fromagefrizzbizz9377 That's bad, but 16 lives going through this is much worse than 3. This was also much lower altitude so the fall was shorter.
@@Tapport Most of the crew in this video were probably dead within seconds of the breakup starting. Not so with the fire control tanker.
@@fromagefrizzbizz9377 I don't know about that. With 16 souls at 20,000 feet I'd be really surprised to find out most died before impact.
@@Tapport The front end of the fuselage came off and disintegrated, then the clearly non-aerodynamic back end behaved as a windtunnel at several hundred knots momentarily before it disintegrated due to aerodynamic stresses.
That wasn't gentle, and wouldn't leave room for cogent thought for more than a few seconds after the blade came off.
The MH17 shootdown had about the same consequences - mid-air breakup during cruise. I don't imagine anyone was conscious more than a few seconds after the missile hit.
Similarly the KAL007 shootdown. They survived a few moments after the missile impact. But when the aircraft hit the ocean, there were no bodies (or seats for that matter) inside the fuselage sections...
In that wing failure, the crew would feel a bang, and then end up watching the ground come up.
I flew all over the world in C-130’s and always felt safe. I personally knew most of our CAM techs and know their professionalism. Every member of my unit were/are very good soldiers and civilians -I almost cried watching this video.
Robert Cox was on this flight. He was in my boot camp platoon, 3265 Mike company at MCRDSD in 2007. You don’t get much opportunity to be kind to anyone in boot camp but he still managed to. One night during mail call the DIs asked if anyone wasn’t getting letters and for some reason I decided to tell them that I wasn’t. Cox told his family and they started sending me letters. I think he said that some of them worked as animators for Disney, for sure one of them sent me a drawing of Goofy kitted up with a main pack and a musket. Our J hat, Sgt Lewis, put me on blast like “wtf is this.” “This recruit does not know sir!” I wasn’t very sentimental about things like that back then but I actually did enjoy those letters, they helped me a lot during training, and looking back it it now I don’t even have words to describe the gratitude and respect that I feel for him and his family.
I remember finding out that he died after joining MARSOC. I couldn’t believe it. Back then it was hard for anyone besides force and division recon guys to get in. I wouldn’t have thought he’d be the type to even want to do that kind of work, but I wasn’t surprised that he had made it through selection and ITC. I wasn’t in the Marine Corps when I heard about his death, I had left after attempting selection myself and not getting picked. I was floored when I saw his picture on a Facebook post detailing the crash. It had only been two years since finding out that a friend I had made during selection, Trevor Blaylock, had also gone down during a training flight.
Respect Marine, I’ll never forget you or your family. You earned your place in Marine Corps history, and they should be proud of the humble warrior that they raised.
Fair winds Raiders, you were truly the best of us.
So basically, someone didn't do the maintenance and it was a deathtrap. One wonders about the props on all veteran aircraft.
How to you know that
Sometimes it’s simply shit bad luck.
The props have a due date or time of use limit..but Stuff happens..
Sea Service C-130's were grounded while props were replaced.
Its the Marine Corps. They get all the old hand me downs from the Army and still their maintenance somehow keeps them running. Its a sad state of affairs but has been happening forever. Ancient equipment kept flying through sheer willpower. The Marines are still flying 40 year old Harrier jump jets. They call them Carolina Lawn Darts...
Prior hc130 navigator here. That was brutal video to watch. They barely had time to start checklists before it all went to hell. That is such a horrible freak accident. That one will stick in my memory for awhile.
Thank you for your service. Reminds me of some of the war footage of B-17s and B-24s when they got shot up. It seems even more brutal that this was an ordinary flight, just transferring them. May they rest in peace.
Here too, navigator on KC-130 w/ VMGR-352 then VMGR-152. I was young then and oblivious to the possibility of anything like this being able to happen in flight. Very sad.
Great reconstruction of this shocking disaster, and a powerful reminder of why regular and thorough maintenance of aircraft is so critical to air safety.
i'm afraid at least part of it was bullshit.
@@tommurphy4307 Which part? Do you have insider information?
Thank you for your service, men.
God Bless you, and your family&friends.
RIP
I remember always asking the crew chief why is there a big red line around the inside exactly where a propeller would come through and they would always say “that won’t happen..” I still never sat anywhere near that red line. This one definitely made me feel sick because this is the exact nightmare of every Marine when we flew in our C-130’s. SF
getting hit by the propeller blade would have been the best thing that could have happened to you on this flight
Accidents of these sort happen so quickly and catastrophically that there is practically no time to react. At the speed the aircraft is travelling it would disintegrate in a matter of seconds and if the passengers are not wounded by metal shrapnel they are too disoriented and buffeted to react coherently. RIP to the crew who could never have realised that a routine exercise would go horribly wrong. Thanks to TFC for another great rendition.
The totally sad thing was that there was absolutely nothing they could have done to save themselves or the aircraft.
I remember this tragedy, chilling because of the many hours I've flown in Hercs. This is a series of human and mechanical failures. The overhaul should have caught this ticking timebomb. But let's recognize that that broken propeller had about a 1 in 5 chance of striking the aircraft, or a 4 in 5 chance of missing it and falling to earth, giving the crew a chance to shut down that engine and land safely. And then to have another engine prop failure... So awful. RIP brothers in uniform.
wrong- the engine would have lost its mountings INSTANTLY from such a massive imbalance at speed. cessnas that throw propeller blades often kill pilots AND passenger(s) because they lose the motors just as quickly. then the plane loses its CG and flutters down to earth IN A FEW MINUTES. i capitalized that so all you wimps can imagine the horror ALL THE WAY DOWN TO HELL. now you see why only propeller airmen inspect and overhaul them....maybe do some homework before you embarrass yourselves with comments. DON'T PUT SOMETHING LIKE THIS ON MAINTENANCE PEOPLE AND DON'T BELIEVE SOMEONE ELSE WHO TRIES TO, EITHER!
Man, that is nuts that the impact detached a different propeller.
I was expecting the unbalanced prop to be what caused the separation, not the #3 engine
I couldn't live with myself if I was the maintainers who performed the work, unfortunately I see too many folks in the industry who are there for a paycheck and don't really care about doing a thorough job and even worse they don't really care about the repercussions of what their negligence could cause. Semper Fi brothers!
That’s why every task is double checked and signed off by a more qualified and more senior engineer. If they have got to that position by being shit at their job something has gone wrong somewhere
No, that’s not true. Problems like this don’t happen because one A/P mechanic was there to “collect a paycheck”. In aviation maintenance, everything is extremely thorough. And after completion of a task, and fellow mechanic/Inspector, goes over all the safety issues performed by the original mechanic to make sure nothing was missed.
That being said, yes, mistakes do happen on rare occasion. In fact, it happened to an aircraft I was flying one time, and right after takeoff my engine failed. It seized up on climb out, at about 400 feet AGL. While this isn’t technically considered a “catastrophic” failure, believe me, its bad enough. Fortunately I was just able to glide back around to another runway and land downwind.
But, many times, these structural failures go back to the manufacturer. They can also be attributed to bad landings weakening the airframe over many years, and going unnoticed.
As pilots we fly daily knowing these risks. And there’s other risks also, with little chance of survival, I won’t go into now. But that’s why a pilots job is calculated at over 10 times more dangerous than a job in law enforcement as a police officer. Doubts about that? Look it up in the national publicized statistics. Yet, I can’t remember anyone ever telling me “Thanks” for what I do. Just saying....
@@jmflyer55 maybe I wasn't clear enough, my fault, I am talking from a final assembly/manufacturer point of view, but it does happen in the field
@@jmflyer55 - I also noticed, in the Analysis part of the video, it was stated as "Intergranular Corrosion", meaning "Within the Grain Structure" of the Metal! That is incredibly hard to inspect, or detect, without sophisticated equipment,as a Visual Inspection, is not going to catch it! Probably not even a Dye Penetrant Test, with Ultraviolet Light, if nothing has made it to the Surface!
That said, this Aircraft Blade Impact Damage, is a Pretty Rare, and Extreme Incident!
On the DeHavilland Dash-8 Q-400, to protect the Body, in line with the Propeller Arc, they install a "Kevlar Ice Shield" that is about 6 Feet or so in length, positioned About 3' forward of the Arc, to 3' aft of the arc! BUT, it's just there to protect against the Propeller "Shedding Ice", and I have no idea if a Blade coming off the 6 Bladed Prop, could Penetrate that Kevlar Ice Shield, AND the C-130 Seems to use Aluminum Blades (that Intergranular Corrosion) whereas the Q-400 uses, composite blades!
When I served in USMC air wing (HMX-1) Marines did most of the work on the planes. Not sure if this is still the case........been 50 years ago. Possibly civilians do now under contract. Leaving a prop unchanged for 6 years is insane.........Ours were changed every so many hours of flight time.
This made the hair on my neck stand up. God bless and rest our fallen Marines.
Semper Fi
It is truly amazing that this very detailed explanation of what happened could be derived from the bits and pieces of parts found on the ground. Not sure what comms were recorded prior to crash about what was happening. I can't imagine any crew member knowing so explicitly what the sequence of damage was and its severity.
My neighbor's daughter traded flights with a fellow marine for this flight and told me about the crash of this plane. KC - You and the rest of this crew, Thank you for your service...
RIP to the crew.It’s so sad that they died to an incident that occurred 13 years ago without any warning.
"was caused by a deteriorating propeller blade that was corroded when it entered an Air Force maintenance depot in 2011, but workers there failed to fix it and sent it back to the fleet unrepaired."
"Virtue Signaling by posting RIP all over the internet while doing actually nothing to better the world.
Social media narcissism at its finest."
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I’ve always imagined a way in which aircraft designers could implement a series of multiple parachutes , to greatly increase survivability of a falling aircraft or one that has broken up. I know this idea might sound rather audacious and hard to implement, due to g force, weights, pressure and the conditions of systems on a damaged aircraft, but maybe it’s something that we will see in the future.
Some small planes do have crash parachutes, so it isn't a new idea by any means. However, larger aircraft requiring multiple parachutes would be a whole hell of a lot harder to design and implement effectively.
@@cameron8679 Not to mention cost of said parachutes if we are including passengers getting parachutes as well.
They are not even adding cameras even though those would be handy in at least half of these cases with damage to the outside of the plane to see what is happening.
Can a plane be designed with multiple multi-stage ballistic parachutes, such that it could survive an event like this - Yes.
Would that cost more than fixing all the potential problems that could lead to this scenario - Also yes.
Maybe over water but if that happened over land and "technically" were able to deploy a chutes the question remains of does everyone jump and plane hits a region with population. Or the captain stays back and holds the controls to minimize loss of life on the ground? Both are horrible
Bless those who lost they’re LIFES in that tragic unknown happening very sad . and our condolences to the family and close friends ..
I flew in these quite a bit when I was in the MC.Regular C130's and KC130's.back in the 70's.RIP to the guys on board
That must have been absolutely terrifying for them. Knowing there’s absolutely no control possible of their crash landing. It would have been an extremely quick death. The brain wouldn’t have time to process pain as they landed. Very sad for all of them though
I'm imagining this to feel like a defeat for the pilots and 'This is it' for the entire crew. No screaming, no despair, just the loss, preparing for the ultimate loss of life. Silence. Perhaps the tears for those you leave behind.
3 mins freefall aint quick
Very sad. They found the pilot and co pilot embracing eachother inside the cockpit
Ugh... this was my bird. (EC-130H). I was a glorified radio operator. We were always told this was one of the safest airframes ever made. So sad.
its perfectly safe, until you fire a prop blade through it, at altitude.
Was that a 193rd Bird?
Remember 73-1592?
Sorry to hear of this terrible incident please send my condolences to the family’s of the servicemen involved
May the souls of all on board rest in peace. Good job on the investigation which must have involved some detailed and painstaking work. Well done to the investigators as the outcome of their work must have triggered inspections on other aircraft and potentially saved countless peoples lives.
I can't imagine what went through the minds of all those aboard. These events must have occurred so rapidly, making me wonder if anyone aboard had the chance to comprehend why this aircraft suddenly splitting. My mind is still going "WTF". My heart breaks for them and their family members. That twenty year old Baldassare, on the cusp of his marine career, all gone in seconds. Great content and well explained. DAMN those cracked blades!
Imo, there’s not a chance anyone comprehended why the plane was breaking apart. I’m not sure what this video says about it, but from what I know they would’ve been incapacitated pretty quickly
They would not have even had time to register the sudden decompression, this would have all happened in seconds so as soon as the plane was hit, the sudden decompression would have thrown them about, they most likely lost consciousness quickly.
Aw man…so freaking sad. These poor souls never stood a chance, and they did absolutely nothing to contribute to the crash. Rest in peace, Marines… 💔
Even the most seemingly insignificant scratches or gouges in aircraft structure/components are identified, blended, and refinished, or structural failure will occur over time. This is so tragic . . . Condolences to the families of these brave Marines.
I had a similar thing happen to us while serving in Vietnam 🇻🇳 1968-1971 our helicopter 🚁 broke apart mid take off and we landed in jungle under heavy artillery gunfire. I still re-live that day, daily.
I cannot begin to imagine the horror for this crew as the plane separated. Watching the cockpit falling to the ground, will stay with me for a long time. RIP
I cannot imagine the level of confusion and utter fear the pilots would’ve felt as their cabin broke away into a free fall with no chance of surviving.
The the people in the passenger section, as the entire front end of the plane disappeared before them and the realisation no one could control what happens next.
The horrific level of terror they experienced 😞
As an aerospace engineer and father of a marine, this really struck home! To any military personnel this might reach, if you see some, say something. Think of more your than your job, think of your fellow brothers on that bird. Fatigue sneaks up but physical damage can accelerate degradation, and failure can be sudden and severe. I know our military strives for excellence and I hope this very sad disaster can at least serve as an example.
I flew one of the Marines Coffin and Escort from Seattle airport back home in Eastern Washington in Kodiak Airplane since the airline didn't have a large cargo for the full size coffin. It was the most moving event in my flying career and honor to have made the trip.
This has to be the best in flight breakup animation I've ever seen
Yes
Seriously? This is what you're concerned about?
@@bassputz shut up
anyone is aloud there opinion, read it again wanker what the person said , showing appreciation for the quality
@@coca-colayes1958 Your spelling is 1st class quality. ;)
Thank you Flight Channel for posting this video. Born & raised on military bases. Dad was 27 year vet worked as aircraft mechanic and as a supervisor. I remember him always being worried that someone would screw up an engine and put the crews lives at risk. My brother was also a career Air Force pilot and a fighter jet instructor. This episode was especially difficult for me to watch. May God always watch over and bless our military 🇺🇸 ❤️🤍💙
this is why flight crew should never piss off your mechanics
The best presentations of aeronautic mishaps ever!! Thanks
Very well done choked me up a bit watching this video...Imagine the terror.
As a 10k hr crew member on C-130s and an accident mishap investigator...I am sick. God rest their souls.
That is as grim as it gets
True!
They were so young. RIP and thank you for your service. 🙏🙏🇺🇸🇺🇸
As a Brit who knew of RAF pilots flying this amazing aircraft makes reading about this particular tragedy so especially sad. Flown by the best of the best the US Marine Corps makes it ten times worse. Ones heart goes out to all their families.
Final destination style chaos ensued on this flight.
Yep this was my exact thought. It's one thing for a plane to crash but this was just ridiculous.
@@future62 no other way to describe it, just ridiculous.
That was my instant thought when the #4 propeller sliced the fuselage. Final Destination
Final Destinations crash is modeled after TWA Flight 800.
The debris field was about 20 miles from where we live. Remember it well and such a sad, sad accident. Prayers continue for the families...Also I requested this one a while back. Thank you
My wife grew up nearby, too. She went to college a few miles away, and I know this area well.
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Did she go to Moorehead or DSU
So sad this one here. I live in South Mississippi and I never knew about this. My husband has flown on those big birds a time or two and anything like this that occurs with our military is always hard to hear.
As a pilot, it's hard to reconcile that you did everything right but still lost your life. So sad. Thank all service people for the selfless acts they do to protect our freedom.
How did these stricken people protect freedom?
RIP to my fellow Aircrewman, actually went thru Aircrew Cad school with Staff SGT Snowden In Pcola (Was a Navy MH53 Crew Chief) .... he was a good dude 😥!