A Horrible Chain of Mistakes! TransAsia Airways flight 235
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On the 4th of February, 2015 a 10 months old ATR 72-600 Aircraft from TransAsia Airways crashed into the Keelung river after an only 3,5 minutes long flight. During the crash it struck a taxi that was driving on a highway overpass close to the river.
In this video I will explain all the details surrounding this accident, as outlined by the final report.
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Sources
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Final Report:
reports.aviation-safety.net/2...
ATC Tower: mirokosunnex
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
TransAsia HQ: Solomon203
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TransAs...
TransAsia Airways ATR-72-500: M Radzi Desa
commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fi...
TransAsia ATR 72-600: ATR
www.atr-aircraft.com/presspos...
Press Release: ATR
www.atr-aircraft.com/wp-conte...
ATR Simulator: ATR
www.atr-aircraft.com/wp-conte...
ATR500: ATR
www.atr-aircraft.com/news-med...
ATR600: ATR
www.atr-aircraft.com/news-med...
Crash 1: enca.com
www.enca.com/sites/default/fi...
Crash 2: AP Photo/Wally Santana
www.dailyherald.com/article/2...
Crash 3: Pichi Chuang/Reuters
www.nytimes.com/2015/02/06/wo...
Crash 4: Getty Images
www.africaeagle.com/2015/02/tr...
Crash 5: Reuters/Stringer
www.ibtimes.com/transasia-fli...
CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:37 - Prologue
01:01 - Captain [A]
03:54 - New Addition to the Fleet
04:40 - Atpcs
06:06 - Subtle Differences
07:15 - Crew Information
08:06 - Departure Routes
08:51 - Taxi Chatter
11:15 - Takeoff
13:22 - First Sign of Problems
16:07 - Confirmation
17:19 - Pulling The Wrong One
18:43 - Stall! Stall!
19:38 - Mayday, Mayday, Mayday!
20:23 - How Come It Becomes Like This?
21:06 - Mistakes Identified, Too Late
22:45 - Why?
24:14 - Learning Outcomes
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Love your content. :) Thanks so much for doing what you do. I look forward to these videos every week, as they're always fascinating and engaging.
Looking forward for your next investigation of pilot error on flight PK8303, where they came hot and high to land, disregarded the commands from ATC to kill the energy and attempted to land without extending the landing gears.
I've seen that numb-nail and always assume it was photoshop.
I've seen this aircraft crash on the internet a few times. I've always wondered what happened to cause such a ominous situation to happen .
Now I know.
Thank you for giving us the background leading up to it.
Your explanation of the pilots inability to learn and execute crucial steps that keep everyone aboard safe and alive is quite frightening! To let this pilot take the stick in any aircraft seemed totally irresponsible of those who allowed him to do so.
It seems the path to excellence has diminished in the last 20 yrs. Not just in aviation but even into healthcare. That's another story in itself.
Congratulations on your 1 million subs!
I'll say this on behalf of you and most pilots of your caliber. Thank you for your adherence to following rules and regulations that keep people safe and alive. Thank you for striving for excellence.
Good day , sir.
Republic of China? Well you've picked a side.
Props to the first airline, who saw his problems, offered him extra training, but then still decided to terminate him and take the loss on money spent on him.
Dude should have been a bus driver.
@@Jonesy_Ripley You mean bicycle driver...
@@zoltanolah7360 this guy would have needed a bicycle with training wheels or a tricycle
"Props." I see what you did there.
@@zoltanolah7360I wouldn’t even trust him with a bicycle
There's alot of institutional failures that led to this accident. But this guy did everything possible to make the plane fall out of the sky.
keep in mind there was another pilot and co pilot in this airplane as well.
@@ursodermatt8809 Asian cultures have high power distance and “face-saving” customs... so unless all the crew is properly trained, being 3 in the cockpit won’t make much difference
@@DaveSweetS
i agree with the asian culture. but you are not letting the pilot commit a crash, if you are aware what is going to happen and know the pilot is totally unaware of the impending crash. however, it has happened in asian airlines.
@@DaveSweetS Yes your correct I am half Asian and it is still ingrained in their culture that you don’t cause someone to lose face even if people must die so sad
@@DaveSweetS This crash remembered me strongly to the Crash of Crossair Flight 3597 nearby Zürich/ Switzerland in 2001. And Switzerland isn´t a country with "Asian culture".
this is literally the definition of "doing everything wrong perfectly"
or "Task failed successfully"
your avatar is relevant
@@metallicarabbit _I have an Avatar? WHY DIDNT CAMERON TELL ME!?!?!_
@@jameswalton5733that means your pfp....
@@HooLeePhucingSheet hey, uh, buddy. You just blow in from stupid town or something?
"Wow, pulled back the wrong side throttle."
The entire crew: 💀
💀
I shouldn't laugh, but dangit
Both literally and figuratively
Yes:💀
the audacity to say wow in this situation, this pilot is really not fit to fly. and he got others dead
Can't imagine the rage the other crew felt when Captain A said that he had been pulling the wrong throttle the whole time.
When your friend eats your pizza
True - but the incompetent Captain's mistake does not absolve his colleagues of their responsibility to accurately identify what was happening in the cockpit and recover the aircraft. They too played critical roles in the tragedy by failing to spot and confront his mistakes, or act assertively enough to start an effective course of action that saved the plane.
The Captain's determination to reach the top of his profession despite repeated failures in exams/testing that told him he lacked the necessary talent, tells me he had one hell of an ego! For the sake of public safety he should have recognised he was not Captain/leader material, shown some humility and remained at first officer level - or better still, got a job on the ground with ATC!
Looking for a parachute asap!!! :)
Basically, "If we somehow survive this crash, I'm going to kill you..."
@@glamdolly30 agree with your first paragraph.
However on your 2nd paragraph you're basically shaming the pilot for trying to further his career / rank up etc. You're saying, if at first you don't succeed, just give up.
It's more on the airline that failed to document his shortcoming and make proper decisions about promoting/training him.
That dashcam footage has been around for ages, and I've seen it several times. Finally hearing the story behind what happened is kinda surreal. All that said, I hope those responsible in TransAsia were dealt with accordingly.
AFAIR company went bankrupt.
@@bartoszbaranowski604 Yes, but where are those managers working now?
@@TheTubeTube2 Those criminals should be in jail but they're most probably working within some woke culture European Airlines.
@@thesoldier5218 oh yes, woke airlines, the true enemy of the working man
IKR I thought it was fake!!
no but his last words being "Wow, pulled back the wrong side throttle.", and the crew hearing this... such a sad event :(
It's insane to think 3 pilots in the cockpit and no one noticed the captain pulled back the wrong throttle?
remember this all happened in a matter of minutes while they have another 99 things to keep track of
Im ngl...The CAP has autism....Thing is each one of them would be engaged with their own duties....As a former air force pilot with more than 10 years of experience....This is a really shit mistake to make...
If anything the First Officer observing the flight would have the highest probability of spotting this as he had the lowest workload
@@anirudhganesh9968 i'm going to assume you didn't meant to use autism as something disparaging, but that's how it comes across and you should consider not doing that.
@@anirudhganesh9968 I'm Autistic and I didn't crash a plane when I used a simulator at the Glasgow science center, in fact, I was the best pilot in my group.
@@Gaelic-Spirit Did you need to communicate with others in the simulator to handle a malfunction? Captain A here had multiple chances to be corrected by Captian B for a cross check but he locked his mind inside his wrong mental model and refused to respond to the communication attempt from his teammates. And he crossed the boundary doing several things not in his role responsibility.
Sure you can be the best pilot in your group, just like Captain A was a respected jet pilot back in air force, but are you the best team worker in your group? Can you realize it faster than Captain A if someone wants to correct you when you thought you were absolutely right? Althought FAA and airlines are pushing it really hard for single pilot airliners, but that is not reality yet. Airliners still need at least two people to fly. Captain A showed that teamworking and a respected responsibility boundary are more important in an airliner than whether he was the best pilot or not in his single-seat fighterjet.
For those who are wondering, it seems that both the taxi driver and the passenger survived the impact.
Geez I was wondering, like those people didn't matter...
@@chuckthebull You can see that the taxi driver saw the aircraft approaching and braked just in time.
@@hairyairey looks like it cut that car in halve though..
@@chuckthebull Oh indeed, but fortunately in front of the driver and passenger(s)
@@hairyairey Thanks I never knew what happens to them..man a close call like that will change your life's attitude..
On shorter flights like this it would be awesome to see a simulation of the accident so that we could get a sense of how fast everything happened. When we watch this video and get pauses during which certain topics are explained etc. it becomes very hard to sense how fast those 3 minutes went by in the eyes of the pilots. So maybe at the end of the video you could have an uninterrupted segment where we could see what was happening through the cockpit window and see what the cockpit voice recorder recorded. It would give a great perspective to the situation to experience the crucial moments in real time.
Very, very this.
Very good idea
He has had a few videos where at the end he has the entire simulation. I wish he did that on all of them.
Yes
The Air Crash Investigstion/Air Disaster or Mayday episode on this is pretty good. There is also recordings you can hear.
Mentor does these for edclucational reasons and tries to basically censor the more dramatic elements. And break them down into points to learn from. But I feel those episodes gave a pretty good picture of the feeling the crew would have felt in that cockpit
“Wow pulled back wrong side throttle” has to be some of the most tragic last words ever…
Yes.
@@NicolaW72 Hey, you're still here!
@@normie2716 ???
@@normie2716 hey you’re still deez nutz
imagine being late to work and calling your boss like "sorry my taxi got hit by a plane"
"what"
"You still need to come in for work"
"Fired"
LOL 😂
the taxi driver actually called the taxi company and said 'my unit got hit by a plane'
That captain was a time bomb. As a CPL holder, when you listed his deficits (I mean fundamental deficits) in his training record, I was like WTH!!!
Yes. And the bomb stayed uncaptured until it exploded and killed people.
I living in Taiwan, local news said, when our gov went to re-check the capability of all TransAsia pilots, there were several pilots apply their retire form immediately to avoid the test, and 10 of remaining 49 pilots not passed that test.
I remember that time TransAsia were expand very quickly, their chairman just got the position from his father, and want to do something new to prove him to investors.
They brought many new airplane, established new low-cost airline sub-brands, listed on the stock market. TransAsia was no.3 airlines in Taiwan, but their salary was not comparable to the other two airlines (almost half compare to these airline), I think they might hardly to hire pilots, and choose the shortcut on training programs.
Thanks for this video, the ATPCS details is new for me.
Did owner went to jail, had all his property confiscated? He is primary responsible with his lust for money.
thanks for your inside contribution. you made the most valuable contribution here so far.
@@Mutineer9 Unfortunately, no one went to jail for this accident. Gov made some punish to company like banned some their routes, and some fine, but they out of business after one year.
Although prosecutor tried to files criminal case, but they can't proved TransAsia neglected training program, and both pilots are dead, so they not prosecuted anyone in the end.
TransAsia gave around 15 millions TWD (530k USD) for each dead souls to settle with their families, which is huge for airlines accident, but a civil lawsuit can only sue juristic person, not natural person, so the chairman didn't pay anything form his pocket, it's make me really upset :(
This would explain a great deal, especially why Transasia continued throwing training resources at a pilot who kept washing out - they had to retain the pilots they’d managed to acquire, since they weren’t willing to pay the going rate for decent ones.
I'm glad that the airline went bankrupt, but It's a shame that the chairman didn't have to pay anything out of pocket. I wish at least that he paid it in infamy. I hope everyone knows his name that no one would ever work with him again.
The fact ANYONE survived - With NO attempt at a landing is miraculous.
I was living in Taiwan when this happened. My co-worker's brother-in-law passed in that flight. I remember her just collapsing in the kitchen in tears with this playing live on the news.
I hope she’s doing better
Excellent example of how people beyond their capabilities can evade judgment by sheer resolve and determination. The Captain exercised poor judgement throughout his commercial pilot training; yet he jumped over each negative appraisal and rose to a level that jeopardized the lives of others. Surgeons, public transport drivers also evade the “check” system.
This is a society-wide problem.
The pilot was only doing what he knew. His entire life was being a pilot. Its the system that failed those people.
thats called luck
@@Benji-jj2bg Personal responsibility and self-awareness (the inner voice) should have told him to quit before he failed the ultimate test. Sometimes judges who examine others can be correct, or too kind, or too harsh. This man needed objective assessment for a reality check. May he rest in peace along with the other unsuspecting lives he destroyed within a few moments.
In my field - research - the “system” weeds out those who cannot succeed by rejecting multiple grant proposals or manuscripts or tenure.
I was curious about pilot A… he was Initially hailed as a hero in the press for “avoiding buildings”. The reality came much later and wasn’t picked up by the press as it was no longer “hot” news. Interesting how the news cycle works
As a Taiwanese I will say that it's part of our media culture, they usually make up their own stories before the real investigation report. They can even make a normal go-around maneuver into scary headlines, or call a diverted flight emergency landing, so don't be surprised by the general horrible quality of news there...
Paul Czaplicki
One of several problems with the Government > Licensed Media < be it Broadcasting or
NEWS Paper Print media - they focus on Sensational-ism and the "Hot" NEWS that stir
peoples emotions -- The critical NEWS more often is a bend of truth and political lies that
is intended to confuse and divide the population - where people will censor each other.
That is how the puppets of the CORPORATE Government work against the people.
Politicians are mere actors on the political stage paid by the CORPORATE ELITE and International
Banking Cartel --- Political actors come and go --- The GOVERNMENT is always there.
Now explain why that is.
What is GOVERNMENT other than a CORPORATE entity that owns buildings - and employs
people who follow orders of the ELITE Bankers who print and loan the currency to the
GOVERNMENT -- and that GOVERNMENT pays back its loans + interest by taxing the people
who are held as surety for the CORPORATE Debt.
President Ronal Reagan made it very clear when he admitted that NONE of the collected taxes
goes towards running the country..
People are not taught that the Double Z (Swastika is not in reality NAZI - It is a symbol from a
much earlier time that means > Completion < Mr. Hotler also had many great forward-thinking
ideas which are now Law in many countries - notwithstanding that my mother's father was
interred in two concentration camps - The second was Auschwitz - where he was transferred to
in 1941 from 'I don't know which other-one'
The bigger tragedy today is that 95% of the population still obtain their NEWS from the GOVERNMENT
licensed Media TV and OPrint propaganda Machine which are known for vitriolic propaganda.
Those that oppose it will be deemed to be the enemy - and their
propaganda machine will ensure that you believe it.
The economy would come to a standstill if there was no more need
for CORPORATE energy supply -- creating your own energy is equivalent
to printing your own money.
They will not allow it.
There are provisions within patent law that allows the Government to
confiscate any device that poses a threat to the Country ...Free energy
is such a threat.
This lopsided war between fascist run propaganda schools brainwashing a Brave New World youth
and the local school boards - teachers and parents battling for their lives to maintain what little
choice they still have left with their sons and daughters is yet another pathetic cautionary tale of
hat the oligarch agenda is doing to destroy America and every other Western today
Instead of encouraging the gifted by teaching to their strengths - too often - they are responded to
punitively by either overly frustrated and/or rigid, authoritarian adults bent on maintaining some
semblance of control.
These triangles are energized by money flows and influence
peddling, and their operations are lubricated by a maze of
revolving doors that enable the individual players to climb
the greasy pole to power and riches by moving freely back and
forth from one corner to another, all the while pumping the
money and propaganda needed by the triangle to survive and
grow, on its own terms!
So effective is the propaganda today that it would make Nazi politician
and Propaganda Minister Paul Joseph Goebbels very proud.
Mainstream media are crap even in Asia
@@neglectfulsausage7689 are you forgetting the rest of the world can all see your media too? Pretty obvious that media bias exists at both ends of the political spectrum. But when you show your own bias while speaking 'as an American', you just make it look like racism is part of your culture.
@@thomaswalker1702 You watch too much bullshit msm. He didn't say anything that wasn't true. Read the FBI crime stats sometime fool.
I work in Film and TV and while I totally get annoyed by having some colleagues awfully similar absentminded, after watching this I'm actually glad they found their place with us and not on airports, airplanes, in hospitals, fire fighting etc.
Worst thing in my work field would be nothing shown on TV for a few minutes :D
Well.. except if they where hired as armourer...
Or purposely edit videos to push their politics. It's not like anyone died or cities burned or anything.
@@davidpawson7393 that's not absentmindedness, that takes effort and knowing what you're doing. that's just bad intentions, not stupidity and inattentiveness. but i agree, most of the TV industry is guilty of that big time.
@@davidpawson7393lol hello dictator! Which country are you from?
Pretty sure they become concrete truck drivers as well lol
That's a great perspective.
This is a very sad accident but some good news coming out of it was that somehow, miraculously, the cab driver walked away from this accident with NO injuries.
I always feel really bad for the flight crew in cases like this. So often they know who the crappy pilots are and wish they could steer clear but you don't always get a choice. As a nurse I felt this way when I worked with physicians who were...less than stellar.
Ouch. Glad you're here to comment🙏
Imagine what it's like for patients.
That is my other nightmare: bad doctor. Everything else in life you have a shot at least.
Yes, so true. One of the more egregious cases was neurosurgeon Christopher Duntsch, aka "Dr. Death", who killed and maimed a series of patients in the Dallas Fort Worth area before his license was finally suspended. There's a podcast and TV series made about this if you want to see how he was protected by multiple individuals and institutions along this chain of failure.
Dr. Mengele was highly respected,...by the Führer.
I forget which video it was of yours, but a quote that always stuck with me is;
"Being fired is a sad thing, but not as sad as this" ('this' referring to a fatal accident")
And I think that quote is very much applicable in this case.
It was the video discussing the crash of the Amazon Air Crash in Texas.
Yes, what he said ^
I watched that one recently and loved the quote
You are so respectful in relaying such dreadful tragedy. Thank you for adding heart to the presentation. Believe it or not, it adds tremendously to the narrative. Showing it comes from a person with real experience in the cockpit. Congratulations on your rare skill.
A
Halfway through the meandering sequence of stop and go training failures and restarts and qualified passing grades with serious reservations, I was thinking “yeah he’ll get to the point where he’s perfectly competent on uneventful, routine flights… and he’ll be complete overwhelmed the first time he faces a serious or complicated situation he hasn’t seen and been trained for and practiced **exactly** over and over and over.” How in the hell can an airline not anticipate this?! It was bound to happen. This guy was obviously unqualified on the basis of his innate personal qualities. He is was simply not the kind of person who could handle the responsibilities of flying a large commercial aircraft. Not “pilot error”. More like “not pilot material, period.”
Indeed, exactly.
TRUTH
We had an aircraft refueler in training several years ago that just didn’t get it. He was careless and absent minded, and as his trainer I expressed my concerns to management but they refused to take these warnings seriously and instead remedied by extending his training time by two weeks. He was responsible for several fuel delays over the course of his first six weeks solo on the ramp in his own fuel truck. He had also struck two pieces of airline equipment with his fuel truck. Management refused to terminate him despite American Airlines banning him from their aircraft. Days later he was refueling an Embraer 170 for United Airlines and placed the fuel cap on the aircraft’s right tire. He completed the fueling and closed the fuel panel but forgot to replace the cap. With the aircraft loaded with passengers and bags and the jetbridge pulled back, the Captain gave the pushback tug the “brakes released” message over the headset and the E170 began to roll back. Just then, the metal fuel cap fell off the tire and the tire rolled over it, shattering it into several sharp and jagged pieces. The pushback tug driver saw the broken metal on the ground and communicated this to the pilots. The pilots had the pushback tug driver stop the plane. After several minutes of conversation between the two pilots, they had the tug pull the plane full of passengers back to the gate. The concern was that the jagged metal could have sliced into the rubber tire causing a weakness that could cause the tire to burst upon landing at the destination, or blow out during takeoff. Flying without a fuel cap wasn’t an issue, commercial aircraft do it quite often until the cap is replaced later in the day. Every passenger had to come off the plane so the aircraft maintenance could carefully inspect every inch of the tire, and in order to do so the aircraft had to be rolled back and forth by the pushback tug - something that you don’t do with passengers on board. Paperwork had to be filed and signed, passengers had to be re-boarded, and checklists re-initiated. All in all the delay was over TWO HOURS past the scheduled departure time. People missed their connections, and frustration among everyone above wing was running high. The pilots and crew had to be professional and let everyone know it was a “minor mechanical check” but the rest of us knew why the flight went out two hours late. Sometimes companies / management know that they have an employee or pilot that just doesn’t meet minimum requirements. The warning signs are present but for different reasons they refuse to terminate the trainee and hire someone else more capable. In our case it had everything to do with money. It was expensive training a new employee, and rather than heed warning signs, management opted to take their chances. Over 120 people missed their connections but at least it saved the company money. The guy was terminated that same day and found a job elsewhere that didn’t involve such heavy responsibility.
Yikes, we can only be thankful that nobody was hurt or killed.
Because the pilots and the pushback tug drivers were competent, disaster was averted this time. You watch enough "Mentour Pilot", and you know that incompetent mechanic commited the first error and how it can snowball quickly in a disaster hihi.
@@alexwyler4570 Mechanics like the ones that didn’t grease the jack screw that controlled the horizontal tail assembly trim on the Alaska MD88 that crashed off the California coast.
Kudos to the pushback tug driver! I don't know how big the cap is but this person was attentive enough to notice debris on the ground. I hope that he got properly thanked.
And this is why I've never wanted a job around aircraft including flying. I can do the absent minded thing way to well lol.
Its incredible people survived and given the surroundings that the plane entered a river and didn't collide with some of the muti-story buildings in that built up area, remember seeing this on the news at the time and that image of the plane crossing infront of the dash cam , that gives such a horrible feeling in the pit of the stomach. (P.s fantastic presentation and indepth analysis , worthy to excelling any prime time TV documentaries you see covering similar topics)
Seeing the airplane headed down sure made me think everyone would be killed in the crash.
I agree, this was a good video.
The plane's velocity & angle & place of impact.
Yeah, luckily, the aircraft was flying slower than normal due to stalling and the impact with water instead of terrain or buildings surely helped in reducing the g-forces so the passengers who were not in the forward part had a chance.
@@imchrisme5514 no
@@imchrisme5514
He is alive. But got mental trauma, unable to drive any more, divorced and having a lawsuit with the mother group now.
You are being VERY generous about the term "Pilot Error" IMHO. I've always felt it was a catch-all term used to ensure that no-one (plane maker, engine maker, operator, Aviation authority) can be sued by the victims relatives, due to inadequate manufacture, testing, training, maintenance or simply negiligence. Far too often, it seems that the dead pilots and crew are easy scapegoats to blame for others failures, simply because they cannot argue with the findings. They are dead and no-one seems in too much of a hurry to defend them, when the finger of blame is pointed at them and other more important asses and revenue need to be covered and protected. The number of times you hear of fatal accidents that could gave been prevented had the correct action been taken at the time that similar incidents and warnings were noted, instead of being ignored because of financial expediency, is considerable and many thousands of people could still be alive had they done so.
In this crash, yes, clearly the pilot was in error, but a far bigger error was him being in the pilots seat in the first place. It's clear that he should have been grounded long before he was in a position to crash this aircraft.
I agree
Company: "Dude, you are not very good at this..."
Pilot A: "But I flew military planes for YEARS!!!1!"
Company: "Amazing, isn't it.... (that you didn't crash even once that is) ... Maybe if you do 2 more weeks of training.. "
Pilot A : I will fly for half the wage of other pilots.
Company : WELCOME ABOARD !!!1!! YOU CAN START RIGHT AWAY! (throws the interview info sheet into the trash can)
@@tusux2949 Probably not directly this way. But TransAsia Airways was expanding and they had not the budget to pay so much for their pilots as some of their competitors could do. So hiring Pilots was a serious problem for them - and obviously that played a role here.
@@tusux2949it’s always about money, sadly
Your understanding of the importance of training and structure is so needed by so many people in many professions.
I just left training in a medical capacity because I felt the training I was receiving was not preparing me in the right ways, and it would have led to unnecessary confusion/stress and mistakes made. I complained to someone that had been involved with this particular course for 25 years and she agreed with my points and said that she had been trying to get things changed since she sat the exams herself.
I will never understand how you're an actual pilot AND manage a really entertaining and succesful youtube channel at the same time. You're awesome.
Dominic, his video editor/artist, gets a lot of credit for that part. Between Mentour's skills at understanding and explaining what happened and Dominic's superb presentation this channel has become my favorite aviation channel.
Just as you say - they are awesome.
Lotta pilots are high-functioning humans who have high-level hobbies outside of flying airplanes.
Flying a plane is no harder or more impressive than any other qualified job these days.
@Tobizz3 Yep, because people can only do one thing
Mandatory down time, lay-overs, flight delay's I would think gives plenty of time to read reports. Then sit on his couch for an hour more or less talking. Edit & post. Sounds like a normal hobby to me. I think keeping up with all the comments and email would take the most time. (8 hour job, 8 hour sleep & 8 hour for every thing else).
I used to live in Taipei and I regularly biked along the Keelung river. I even flew in/out of Songshan airport on ATR-72s. I've always wondered what happened in this accident! Thanks for covering it!
I hope the video answered your questions.
@@MentourPilot Please forgive my knit picking, you may not agree and I guess your trying to walk a very fine line here. I feel it's extremely important to call Taiwan... Taiwan and recognise it as a country independent of its neighbour. The more people in this world who recognise, acknowledge and empathise with its people the greater chance they have to overcome the threatening ambitions of their neighbours. Thank you always for your education and experience. cheers
@@IBelieve.............. Dear Mentour Pilot and I Believe. I agree with I Believe, Taiwan is a free and democratic country that deserves to be recognized as an independent country - which it is by any standards. In 2015 I actually lived in Nangang District less than a kilometre away from the crash site.
lol. so woke: trigger warning for deaths, no pilots' names used, this.. lol
@@IBelieve.............. Taiwan is legally a part of China. It is not an independent nation.
Your in-depth knowledge of aviation technologies (and aviation-related rules/regulations) and your ability to effectively communicate them to the lay person is amazing
It absolutely amazes me investigators can piece together the craft snd differentiate between impact and pre-impact faults.
The level of incompetence displayed by the captain is unbelievable. The fact that the AFC could command the feathering of a perfectly healthy engine due to a dodgy solder joint, is also surely a design flaw
Good point about the automatic feathering, but had the captain responded properly (even after the improper decision to continue the takeoff), the accident would not have happened and they would have safely made it back to the airport.
Ok so... For the AFC to command the feathering of a perfectly healthy engine, the pilots had to ignore a situation which requires them to reject the take off and not fly the aircraft. So yeah, when there is a system fault which basically says "Do not take off" and they take off anyway... Such things can happen.
Wonder if lead-free solder was the issue? We see a lot more random faults in soldered joints since lead was phased out.
As one who knows absolutely nothing about aviation and who stumbled upon your channel about 6 months ago, I should like to thank you for teaching me about something new. At 70+ years old it is never too late to learn! Also I watched a fair bit of your live stream after the actual event as the time difference to Australia wasn't exactly optimal but I have to congratulate you once again for topping the 1M subscribers. So well deserved!
K'fay Hindson
It would have been a critical and notable event in your life had you been a discoverer and not a stumbler.
With the presence of mind - you will discover - where one is intoxicated - stumbling is a common occurrence.
good-luck good-bye and remember to stay focused -.and most importantly - 'pay attention to detail' - failure
to do so will result in one's early demise (I learned that in 30 years of military aviation serving 3 countries.
UK AU USA
Also - it is > At 70+ years of AGE - NOT At 70+ years old
Understand that people and animals live through the Ages -- it is THINGS that become old.
Your clothes - shoes - possessions - home etc.
I taught English and History for >13 years following my Military career. which began in 1960 (RAF)
NOTE: Third-party responders are ignored as commonly you clowns have nothing of value to offer.
K’fay Hindson, what a lovely comment and I really don’t know what Andrew_Koala is on but it certainly isn’t the same planet as I.
@@juliekerr1544 Thank you -:)) Ah well, there is often a bitter one in the barrel.
@@Hochspitz sad though it is, ain’t that the truth and, your very welcome
Welcome to the fascinating world of aviation. I'm a retired Canadian FSS, 60 years old after a 27-year career in aviation in Northern Canada.
I love CZcams for learning about new things, I'm personally learning about horses. Occasionally though, the old life calls and this channel allows me to check in on new developments.
I've seen what we would call bad pilots in my time but they usually don't last long enough to take out people besides themselves. They are usually weeded out in the hiring, training and re-training process. However, sometimes strange things happen.
In our world, I once had a trainee that made it all the way through the selection and training process and it wasn't until she was in the on-the-job training phase that it was noticed that she was having problems transposing numbers. One very small incident immediately caught and corrected by her training instructor, ended up with extensive medical testing. It was finally discovered after about a month that she was dyslexic. We were all flabbergasted that she could progress so far in life [she was in her late twenties] and in our training before this was noticed and investigated.
Of course, her career in aviation was immediately halted.
By the way, I agree with Julie, Andrew_koala is definitely living in his own world. In my opinion, he needs some remedial social skills training.
Wow!! Top work, man!! Just stumbled upon these videos and am now hooked. Outstanding attention to detail with exacting terms and precise descriptions. You have the perfect voice and cadence to clearly convey the pertinent information and the proper respectful decorum to tell the story of human tragedy. I find it refreshing. Thank you.
In a interview with the only surviving crew on this flight, she talked about how powerless she felt when she crawl out the cabin standing in freezing water, how she walked out her PTSD and surivor's guilt. But the part that hits me the most, she said when her parents saw her plane crash on the news, they were already ready for the worst, they only hope that they could at least talk to their daughter one last time before she stops breathing, that's just so heartbreaking...
Absolutely heart-breaking that he realizes his mistake at the last minute. You can make the planes as fancy as you want - Mother Sky has no compassion for ineptness.
That’s a hell of wow moment to experience before you die.
@@Hippozippowhippo Yes.
I thought that was absolutely satisfying. The perpetrator made a full confession before he died. I wish the guy who destroyed Atlas Air 3591 had done that too. All the time I was asking myself why did not anyone stop him.
@@seriouscat2231 You sound like such a wonderful person, "satisfied" to hear that the pilot realized they made a mistake before dying horribly. They were not criminals or a nazis who took off intending to crash into a cab, they were human beings who made a series of mistakes and died. Do you have an ounce of humanity in you?
@@tgsachris, I prefer the metric system.
The fact that a few people survived is amazing
I think there's a real credit to emergency crews and people on the ground here.
@@Deathmastertx Yes, indeed.
What happened to the taxi driver??
@@theonemodifier They both survived - it miraculously sheared through the car just in front of the firewall.
@@plektosgaming miraculously, yes! if they were driving one mile an hour faster, or hadn't of missed that light earlier, etc...or hit his brakes, I see brake lights.
I admire people like doctors and pilots who are confident enough allow themselves to be responsible for the lives of others and willing-when and if the time comes-to take the blame for catastrophic failure. I could NEVER. 😔
Then you shouldn't be a pilot, at least you're smart enough to know that you aren't build for this. Unfortunately some people don't.
It's so sad and horrible. Every time I stumble on material about that crash I still hope that this time they managed to avoid the crash or maybe it's a different one or I just misremembered it altogether. Bless all the pilots.
I live in Taiwan and never knew what led up to or why this accident happened. Thank you for covering this!
Thank you for watching. Feel free to share it in Taiwan. 🙏🙏
I remember when this happened and can't believe it was never really covered even here in the UK. Surprised folk in Taiwan didn't know why it happened.
Tragic story.
I live in Wales and had no clue. Thanks 👍
Is it scary being in Taiwan now? With all this war nonsense going on?
This accident has been covered on several “air disaster” type shows on CZcams and commercial TV.
Thanks Mentour. I don’t know why people think that ATR is a very unsafe aircraft but you cleared it that it was a human error. Also I am also starting my type rating on this Aircraft tomorrow 😁.
Excellent! Best of luck with your training! 💕💕
This accident was really heavy on "human factors" (i.e. pilot incompetence) but the ATR 42/72 has also had a series of accidents, especially involving icing that significantly changes the aerodynamics of the aircraft. It's a high-performance design that has precious little margin of error. It simply is not a "forgiving" design...which is not to say that it isn't safe. I'd fly on one tomorrow and they are comfortable and fast aircraft to fly on. It's just that when something happens to change the aerodynamics (and an engine "failure" will do that), you have to be on-top of the issue and always be a step ahead of the airplane rather than letting the airplane "fly you."
Good luck! Also I think I lot of people outside the aviation community just tend to think aircraft with propellers are older or outdated designs.
I think its a combination of looking "old" with the propellers (the reason the Do-328 was fitted with jet engines later in life) and the shorter routes they are typically used on.
Since Takeoff and landing are the most dangerous phases of flight and regional aircraft experience much more of them per flight hour a regional plane will have a higher likelihood of accidents than an equally reliable long range aircraft.
Good luck!
Captain A: "Wow, pulled back on the wrong throttle."
Something broke in me reading that, knowing he and everyone in the cockpit (and plane) realized in that moment, they were (almost certainly) doomed. 🙏🥺
Indeed.
It's comedic in a way. Not that fatal mistakes are funny, but that the errors are so wrong it's almost too ridiculous to believe. it's like something out of a movie. Like when dr Phil cuts off the wrong foot in scary movie
Although I have seen all the episodes of the Mayday Air crash investigation that have been released, I have read some accident reports and I know a lot about some of the accidents You talk about, you comment and explain it in such a good way and put things in a different perspective, that I really like to watch these videos and I always learn something new. Thank you. Keep up the good work.
That’s such a good summary at the end regarding the notion of ‘Pilot Error’. I am a (recently early retired) surgeon. It was only near the end of my career that we were starting to learn from the aviation industry how to look at, investigate, understand and try to prevent errors occurring in surgery.
When things go wrong they are usually multifactorial, in that a catalogue can usually be traced leading up to what went wrong. Also, “Operator Error” can usually be traced back to much, much earlier events…often in the individual’s training years back.
Although tragic, I find these videos absolutely fascinating from this perspective in terms of the similarities between medicine and aviation but also how far ahead aviation is in this regard.
I think it's cause they don't have a choice. Think of it this way, as a surgeon, if you make a mistake, you accidentally kill one person. If a pilot makes a mistake, they literally kill dozens to hundreds of people plus themselves. I saw this plane once, a double decker as I call it, (I don't fly often because it terrifies me and this channel doesn't help) and as I watched it take off I couldn't help thinking how much pressure was on the shoulders of that crew
Sounds like CRM was ultimately the biggest problem: Why did neither of the other two pilots ask “Captain A” why he was shutting down the wrong engine?
This all happened very fast and Captain A did a lot of stuff which would have confused the other two.
@@MentourPilot I'm wondering when lives are at stake eventually, why was he given a clearance to become a captain when his record was not good.
@@anbee8127 I'm in the trucking industry and not a pilot, so it may be different, but I doubt it. I see unqualified drivers all the time, dozens a day. Companies would rather have "meat in the seat" and make a dollar than have a good driver that makes them the same money. At least until that bad driver wrecks or tears up equipment. The company is simply more concerned about the short term profit and is horrible at risk determination.
@@stevenb6098 Completely Agree.
@@MentourPilot hi Pepe, this is a really good point. I remember the accident with the stall due to icing and they hit a bridge. I remember thinking, "how can they miss all those steps" after 25 of your very clear descriptions. In this episode you clipped the original voice recorder in with a simulation in realtime. It was a really harsh i opener. "Holy S..." that was quick... so it could be idea for future episodes. "In the pilot seat" as a segment.
Absolutely agree with you on the use of the term 'pilot error'. In complex systems, pretty much all errors are 'system' errors, with human as just one element of the system.
That is a crazy one… thanks for the review ❤️✈️
Nice to see you here :-)
Two splendid Captain's at the same comments :) Fantastic!
Do you have any things to add since you use to fly this aircraft? # Pilot Blog
@@kc135_lover ATR 72 are very good aircafts for domestic short and medium flights.
This just shows you how cool-headed captain Sully was when he landed on the Hudson.
It really was a: Miracle on the Hudson
And Captain Rozak when he landed a 737 on the Solo river between two bridges in 2002.
Totally addicted to your knowledge and presentation. I knew little about all these details so thank you so much for these lessons
This is a tragic case. Thank you for being sensitive talking about the victims.
I cried a little everytime the pilot pulled back the throttle on engine 1. It was so obvious to us at home to see what was going wrong, but unless we are put in the same pressure situation it's hard for us to understand the feeling and the panic during those emergency events. Thank you Mentour Pilot for these great explanation videos and also for going deeper than just "pilot error", I completely agree that it was indeed the airline at the root cause for this accident.
I think air crew engine out detection and confirmation procedure should require both pilots to initially use their arms to point at the failed engine to confirm with each other that their understanding of which engine has failed is matching. If one pilot points to one engine and the other pilot points to the other engine then they know one of them is incorrect. Misidentification of a failed engine by the flight crew happened on a British Midland 737 also which led to it crashing on approach for an emergency landing.
I know it's tragic but it made me laugh the bs he kept doing
training is supposed to override panic
@@MegaSunspark you should submit this to the FAA, and make them vocally confirm which engine it is
@@texasfossilguy Yes, I agree. Point to and verbally say out loud the engine number that has failed.
I am feeling guilty about saying this because there are fatalities involved but seriously, the incompetence is SO flagrant on SO many levels.
it is extremely easy to judge, particularly after an accident. anybody, i mean anybody can do it.
@@ursodermatt8809 No, not anybody. He was incompetent, his file showed this time and time again, he didn't make it through his first airline because of this... this airline pushed him through and this was the result. He clearly could not handle high stress, high workload situations and had no bussiness being a captain.
@@Teh_Random_Canadian
i meant "everybody can judge" after the event. please read things in context.
@@Freeeez3
thanks for your essay.
"everybody can do it" meaning everybody can judge after event, including you. please read things in context, don't just take a word out of sentence.
@@ursodermatt8809 well, your first statement is very ambiguous. for me it's not clear at all what the "everybody can do it" is referring to. flying an aircraft? making critical mistakes than end up costing dozens of people their lives? judge after an accident? who knows.
anyways, i deleted the essay since i cleary misunderstood.
It makes me so sad when these accidents happen. I really hope that as every disaster or near disaster is investigated we improve safety for all people flying. Passengers and crew included. Thank you for another really clear and lucid presentation.
There are so many channels I've seen that use the same thumbnail that is used in this video but it was clickbait as they talked about some other plane crash. Thanks for actually talking about the story that matches the thumbnail
I was playing baseball near the crash site, in the afternoon, the search and rescue boats were dashing on the Keelong river. I had no idea what's going on then. Our coach gathered us and say:" Kids, a plane had crashed just 2 kilometers from here…" Not long after the incident, the airline was dismissed.
Thanks for sharing.. horrible accident
When you say 'dismissed', do you mean that the airline was forced to shut down? It must've been surreal to see all those boats rushing by.
@@hauntedshadowslegacy2826 I just searched Wikipedia, and it says the airline was closed by itself, sorry for the wrong information. TransAsia airline had financial problems for quite a long time. Since a flight crashed in Penghu, people started to realize that the airline had problems training and functioning. By the way, there are always boats on Keelong river, but on that day it was far more than usual.
@@MentourPilot CEO was arrested , as he sold all his shares 1 day prior bankruptcy, following the crash . VINCENT LIN
I remember seeing that dashcam clip all over the internet some years ago, but never knew anything about it. I even wondered if it was a real crash or something out of a movie, thanks for explaining this!
Yeah, it's surprising how little media coverage this crash (and the reasons behind it) got.
At the time I thought it was a fake video.
It was obvious (at least for me) it wasn't fake, but when I saw it I immediately noticed something interresting - both engines were inoperative. I remember thinking: "Yet another Sully situation (dual engine failure at low altitude), but this time no happy ending." I also believed that crashing into river was pilot's unsuccessful attempt to land on the water. Damn, so close - but they didn't have enough speed/altitude to reach it.
Now I see that crashing into the river was not intentional, but a mere coincidence - even worse Captain [A] was more occupied by throttling engines than aviating/navigating the plane.
Everytime i saw the thumbnail i thought it was fake so i never would click on the video. After watching it i cant believe what i saw. Im blown away by the whole ordeal. My heart gos out to everyone involved Rip
I've always thought it was a movie too!!!
0:01 Intro
0:37 Prologue
1:01 Captain [ A]
3:54 New Addition to the Fleet
4:40 Atpcs
6:06 Subtle Differences
7:15 Crew Information
8:06 Departure Routes
8:51 Taxi Chatter
11:15 Takeoff
13:22 First Signs of Problems
16:07 Confirmation
17:19 Pulling The Wrong One
18:43 Stall! Stall!
19:38 Mayday‚ Mayday! Mayday!
20:53 How Come It Becomes Like This?
21:06 Mistakes Identified‚ Too Late
22:45 Why?
24:14 Learning Outcomes
I've watched a lot of CZcams channels about flying in general and yours is without an iota of doubt, one of THE BEST, if not the best channel. The content is stellar, that's a given. But what sets you apart is your commentary, the way you analyse facts and present it to us in a way that even laymen can understand. Not to mention your editing,presentation and knowledge. And an often ignored point is your clarity of speech. Especially keeping in mind you are not a native English speaker. (Im assuming). Just brilliant really.
I went to the same flight school as the co pilot and even got the same multiengine instructor. The instructor was shattered and drilled it home hard for us when we go through multi engine training.
Aviation is such a small community, I bet it was truly devastating to lose a prior student that way. My dad lost a student once. This student had failed a few missions, barely earning his first solo. Apparently my dad and an examiner expressed concern, and asked the academy to enforce retraining for this student before allowing him to solo cross country. He ended up losing control of his aircraft, and crashing next to a lake less than 30 miles from the airfield he departed from. I was in high school then, so over a decade ago, but the school did begin enforcing requests to make students retrain, even if they managed to scrape a pass on previous missions.
how the heck was he "shattered" ??? did he disintegrate into hundreds of bits???
@@rhuephus Shattered meaning devastated this accident happened. Boy that was hard to figure out. Or were you just being sarcastic which I assume you were.?
This was really a tragic event.
I love the Golden intro, perfectly suits the 1 million celebration 👌 🏆 Congrats once again Mentour Pilot, we love the Aviation content.
Nice catch! 😉😂
Wow. I remember watching this within hours of the dash cam footage coming out and it was unexplained at the time and it kind of went to the back of my head. Now knowing what happened this is just maddening and extremely frustrating that such basic aviation incompetence killed so many people.
Reminds me a little bit of Air France 447. When I was watching the explanation with dumbfounded silence at how you could do something so against basic aviation principles for so long.
Another awesome video and an extremely professional realization of the material!
This was so heartbreaking to hear the technical details of the series of mistakes he made and them him finally realizing. 😥 21:10
Rip to those lives lost
Indeed.
I feel better, though, that at least both pilots went out knowing what went wrong.
..It gives them more agency, I guess, as even though they're still powerless to fix it at least they're not just confused.
@@neolexiousneolexian6079 i bet you're the kind of person that prefer to go out abrubtly but knowing it rather than sleeping for one last time
This has to be one of the most confused cockpits in aviation history.
Pikachu faces everywhere
I recommend you AF447 Rio-Paris
Omg... i actually recognize this road. I cant imagine that a horrific tragedy would happen at a place i go past every day... rest in peace, everyone who was affected by this accident 😢😢😢
Yeah.. 😢
I wanna be a pilot one day, but if i know i just cannot handle it, then i would rather give up instead of putting others at risk... i think that although it was the company's fault for letting that pilot fly, the pilot should not take responsibilities that they cant handle, ESPECIALLY WITH LIVES AT STAKE 😤😤😡😡
Stumbled upon this channel and was so glad I did! 👍👏👏👏👏
How tragic. Some of the worst pilots I flew with were ex-military......their attitude, no teamwork, and resisted the captain's requests. How many times did I hear,"I do it this way"---non SOP, and, unsafe. FOrtunately, I had enough sense to have time in recognition of this attitude, and had to advocate "slow down" on approaches. No emergencies, thank goodness. I have a lot of stories to share, including a member of a famous flight demonstration group, while teaching aerobatics. Most of the ex-military were excellent pilots, but the ones making all the noise were young, inexperienced. and arrogant. Of those, I had to order more sim time and an additional course in CRM (Crew Resource Management). Failed their IOE. Our chief pilots weren't happy, but with my assessment, they agreed. Very unfortunate the company just slid pilot A through, in spite of his lack of situational awareness and Command authority to comply with SOP and checklist. Sounds like he had a very weak pilot B. The jump seater had a panoramic view, and finally piped in, but way too late.
@@well-blazeredman6187 I have a lot of retired fighter pilots in my glider club (France). They tell me that even if you are alone in your plane, it is always a team effort. You are putting your life in your wingman's hands and vice versa. And the military are strict about following procedures and constant evaluation.
No wonder. As military pilots are trained to kill humans.
@@Rena-eg6bm you're telling me a man who flies a cargo plane in the air force is taught to kill humans with a c5 galaxy?
Don't be special needs bruh
It's all about attitude regardless of previous flying experience you are most dangerous when your level of humility is low enough to enable complacency,
@@Rena-eg6bm Typical bullshit response from somenone who is pushing agenda based on fanatism mand somebody who have zero clue.. They have procedures like any other pilots that need and must be followed and even more demanding than civil pilot... I have opposite experience (we have few pilots in family, army and civil sector) and it doesnt make any sense exactly because of enviroment they have to operate. That guy who started this thread is trying to push hard some of his opinions as fact just based on his opinion which is big exclamation mark. You can find whole lot of people in any area.
Although people died was very impressed by the speed of the rescue and how professionally managed the scene was.
Yep, the rescuers did a great job here
I worked in Taiwan ('00 to '06) in Chiayi City and Taipei. I was there when Sing Airlines had their disastrous take off incident in late "00. Flown many times between both cities and know Songshan airport (local) very well. An eye openeer indeed.
Just a shout out to say thanks for all of your work and videos, I started my education in physics and briefly studied aeronautical engineering before studying post grad maths and applied physical so I really enjoy the technical deep dive and insight into what it takes to be a professional pilot.....all of your videos are really appreciated....I actually look forward to the brief commute to work and back home because I use that half hour there and back to listen to your videos on Bluetooth.....so, please know that you are educating and bringing a lot of pleasure and joy to a great many people's lifes with your hard work, I get excited when I see a new video posted! Thank you so much and please do keep up the amazing work
I am somewhat shocked a military trained pilot could have so many problems . It makes me curious about the crash PIC's family background as in was his father a well connected military or political person that was able to get his incompetent son passed through programs that would have otherwise failed him and washed him out .
I am confused about how quickly he was promoted from first officer to captain. That might happen to exceptional pilot that are in the right place and time, but the training record would have been indicative to hold him in the FO seat for the usual time.
that was my immediate thought as well
yes, i suspect there was a big part of nepotism involved. i suppose also rewarding ex military people.
To be fair I'm guessing some military craft are vastly different than airbuses and I'm sure there are tons of fighter pilots that couldn't fly one well, even with training. Like a race car driver vs a bus driver in NYC or something like that, but maybe I'm completely wrong.
@@Seven_Leaf
good point here.
the difference is training a pilot cost vastly more than a bus driver.
In World War II a condition called “Panic Dyslexia” or “Yellow Panic” was identified in some officers where in a tense and difficult situation, they would do the exact opposite of what they’d been trained to do and consequently got a lot of their men killed.
It was determined many years later that it is actually related to a form of ADHD.
Ah yes everything is adhd now
@@testplmnb does it surprise you to know hunter gatherers had adhd it's a trait future generation inherited from our ancestors.
a similar thing caused a colgan air jet to smash directly into a house. but i'm pretty sure it was fatigue
@@thegreatandpowerfultrixie9363 what does that even mean? How would anyone even know that? Just further convinces me it is made up. People need to see a doctor to diagnose them with a personality now.
@@potato1907 did you know fatigue is a form of adhd!
Thanks for explaining what happened! I watched the Mayday episode on it, but felt they didn’t cover it well. You covered it so well!
Excellent commentary and analysis. Clear and thought provoking.
Man...I've seen that dash cam footage of the taxi getting clipped and then the crash, and wondered what the hell happened there. Now we know. Can you imagine what kind of thoughts are going through the head of that primary pilot when he finally realizes that his mistakes have not only doomed himself, but everyone else aboard the plane only seconds before impact?
Horrifying crash built on mistake after mistake, all the way back to the hiring of this pilot. How on earth did he survive flying combat jets for the Taiwanese military which by their need for high performance are extremely unforgiving compared to commercial aircraft?? Excellent video, thanks Mentour!
Indeed very good questions.
Was wondering the same thing.
Honestly, it might actually be the fighter pilot experience that made him the bungler he is in a teamwork-heavy situation.
Though your "pilot error" story holds a lot of water and I completely agree with it, I can't help but think: "Man, I never expected to hear one of those stories and genuinely think that I, as someone who never flew a plane, probably could have done a better job". This is just shocking. I was shaking my head watching this. And indeed, this man should never have flown on that plane, and the same probably goes for pilot B, but that has more to do with the training and lack of care displayed by the airline, than with the pilot who probably just dreamed of being a pilot and never realised his lack of skill.
You feel like that because you're looking from the outside and he also explains what Should be done. You'd crash just like this guy
@@jd2161 personally i'm confident that this commentor or myself would have rejected takeoff, or stuck with the autopilot, or not pulled the wrong throttle back. any works
It's nearly impossible to determine how you would actually respond under such dire stress until you've actually been there. I'd like to believe that every pilot is capable of responding to such stress in a far better capacity, but this video proves that isn't always the case.
@@boldCactuslad again... you can say that because you're not there with seconds to decide.
Hindsight is always 20/20.
You also don't know this commentor at all so I'm not sure how you can speak for how he'd react.
All around non logical thought process
@@jd2161 I probably wouldn't throttle back engine 1. I mean, there's a very high chance that if you dropped me in that seat right now I'd screw up something else and crash, but I probably wouldn't make *that* mistake. Mostly because I'd have to look at the levers and see the labels to pick which one.
Great job on this video. RIP to those lost ❤❤
You do a great breakdown! Best I’ve seen ever. Keep it up!
You're right - "pilot error" is easy to pronounce. But it is absolutely true that a mistake that is made always had a reason, a cause beforehand.
Indeed! That’s very important to remember
the causality chain always goes back to the management. mostly cost savings. without fail.
I wouldn't say "always". I used to be an investigator in another (non-aviation) industry, and we weren't allowed to assign a root cause as "human error" until we'd been through a checklist in an interview with the individual concerned. If the answer to any question on the list was no (eg, was the person trained in this task?) then it wasn't human error.
But sometimes, people, even highly trained, highly experienced people do dumb mistakes. Countless times I've really experienced, conscientious guys who've correctly done a task a thousand times, just inexplicably do it wrong.
@@nevilleneville6518 The most famous of this sort of cases is Captain Jacob van Zanten in the Teneriffe Disaster, who was even the Security Director of his Airline.
I just googled pilot A and there are videos about how well he did, missing homes
Having a pilot do these videos is important for clarity. The fact it's you and your ability to convey information makes these videos perfect!
The fact that there is loss of life makes it sad, but good that you spread what was learned from each accident.
He’s one level better, he also train pilots. I think this is the reason I find this channel to be favorite among aviation pilots.
Also he’s also a Swede :)
Just incredibly lucky the survivors that lived thru that experience. Some jobs some people should never do, this Captain was one such job that was beyond him unfortunately for him and victims.
I think the main thing I have learned from watching a lot of the videos on this channel, is that no matter how much that airline ticket you buy costs, it's not enough! There is a difference between what you can afford, and the true value of the ticket. All of the engineering, the systems, subsystems, sensors, maintenance, training, checklists, procedures, dedication, ATC, ground crew.... the list goes on and on... and on! So now... $300 for a ticket from LAX to Kansas City sounds pretty reasonable!!!
Those last word from pilot A ("Wow, pulled back the wrong throttle") are strangely endearing. That must have felt doubly horrible, to realize his screwup that plainly at that moment. Poor guy.
Yes.
It's the only thing that made me feel better. For some reason it makes me feel worse when the person who fatally screwed up doesn't realize what they did wrong before they die.
Wow! What an absolute disaster!
Thanks for sharing this story Petter, and great work as usual Dominic.
I don’t know what else to say, such a terrible event.
Yep, very unnecessary.
Thanks!
@@dominicMcAfee Thank you for your fantastic work, brilliant!
@@sveinfarstad3897 👍🥰
For a plane that incorrectly turns off its own engines the ATR 600 seems to have some pretty impressive functions.
Totally agree with your conclusion around 'pilot error' - so many accidents have such complex multiple reasons as to why it happened but the media do like a simple story to present and using the catch all term 'pilot error' makes impactful headlines (as there is a single bad guy) rather than an informed synopsis as to how and why the accident occurred.
I have to say the production quality on these videos is INSANE
Thank you! Glad you like them
I was trained as a diagnostics technician for automated production machinery and one of the best and most fundamental techniques I learned is the 5 whys analysis. When investigating an issue the most important question to ask is WHY. As you dig deeper into an issue everytime you uncover an answer to the why it leads you to the next why until you reach the true root cause. You will 99% of the time have reached the true root cause by the fifth why... This has been an indespensable and invaluable part of my training and I don't think I have ever reached the fifth why before diagnosing the root cause of any issue..... I wonder if pilots are trained in this technique?
Interesting concept.
The best way a pilot can prepare for an emergency is practice and memorizing checklists. You don’t have time to think about why, where, what, how. Its just react.
@@cfairfull8030 I think he was referring to analyzing the root causes of an accident.
Makes sense, But in software development, I have found the most important question often is not "why did it happen" but "why did this error/mistake cause an incident?" It is nice to have a chain like "the admin entered a wrong number, because he was tired, because he worked a double shift, because the department was understaffed" but "and the system had no parameter check, and there was no 4-eyes procedure, and the action wasn't deemed critical, and there was no redundancy" is much more interesting. Fixing the former is important, but it only stops the exact same error from being repeated. Fixing the latter will fix so many more possible causes.
I've seen so many critical systems that had procedures attached to them to fill a library to prevent incidents, but still, nobody had even thought about just simply having a backup system to take over in case something goes wrong. Or even a simple backup to be taken before making any changes to roll them back fully and quickly.
I used to travel on the highway next to the crash site daily bases when the accident occurred. I saw the plan next day till it is totally removed the river. The accident still comes to my mind every time I am on the highway.
Amazing video, even better conclusion.
Really appreciate your thoughts on pilot error, here. All professional pilots (or nearly all) think that they are above-average pilots, but the reality is that 50% of us aren't. And *everyone*, myself included, has areas in which they're stronger and weaker. Captain A certainly appears to have been a below-average pilot, at least in terms of SA and basic stick and rudder/procedures, but most below-average pilots still go through their entire careers without bending metal. I submit that this is because the system is designed intelligently to account for the fact that there will be inevitable human factors failures, and these systemic factors are what should be most closely examined when an accident occurs. Which is of course not to say that dangerous or incompetent pilots should be accepted or coddled, but only that mistakes and subpar performance are inevitable. Your videos are a breath of fresh air when compared to the common run of what I would characterize as either qualified people being unserious or unqualified people being serious (but uninformed). Keep up the good work!
Good point on 'pilot error'. Yes the pilot commanding screwed up badly but as you noted how he did get into this position and what else is wrong with the training and selection process.
and when that failure of the pilot selection process became public the airline folded. /
Mentor has absolutely become the shining beacon in the combined worlds of air travel and/or disaster, mini-docs, and technical knowledge. Not to mention, the passion for everything involved, and professionalism to not throw shade but rather stick to mostly facts and supported opinions, makes him one of the most interesting and enjoyable channels on this platform. I have the most absolute BASIC understanding of pilots, their training, design of planes, how they operate, and the systems that help them do so. Never flown in the cockpit, nor have I ever trained or attempted to become a pilot, FO, or any other air crew. My experience is limited to maybe 100 flights, as a simple passenger. That said, I feel 1000% more confident and qualified than this Captain A-Hole, to fly anyone anywhere in the multiverse, from the comfort of a stranger's toilet, during a seizure. I saw someone comment that the pilot did everything he could to make this plane fall from the sky.... Yeah, that sums it up nicely. 👌 No way this is further down on the list than a bronze medal on the all-time Darwin Awards.
Your videos are really interesting and informative. 😊
I work as an airline pilot and can tell you this. Most airlines have a dirty little secret that they have pilots like this. Most, will actually do something about it. Extra training and then steps towards dismissal. The crash in this video is not an isolated case.
How can somebody get so far like this guy and make such a grievous error in a twin... My goodness not cross checking and verifying that dead engine is a mistake you would expect a multi engine student pilot to have NOT a seasoned captain with thousands of hours of flight time. I bet flying a light twin with an MEI would solve these rudimentary problems.
@@TheFlyingZulu This Captain had plenty of second chances and extra training. He was not going to get any better and that was not good enough to be an FO, let alone Captain. I'm afraid, some airlines attempt to turn a blind eye and just hope for the best. I used to work for such a company and they did employ pilots just like this one
@@philipjamesparsons Crazy... It sucks that it is just a matter of time one of these bad pilots will be put in a bad situation.
I guess it can even happen to some of the best... Here is a video about how some Air Force C5 pilots pulled back the wrong engine and crashed.
Don’t be surprised I work for a major airlines in America top 3 for 35 plus years as a aircraft engineer and out of 100 mechanics about 75% are dangerous and incompetent,the problem is management does not care who works on the airplane as long as the mechanic signs off the work and gets the airplane ready to depart on time whether repaired properly or not as no one is there to check the work as these incompetent mechanics have their own license,and if the work is really critical these so called managers will only use their top mechanics to do these complicated work as a lot of these competent mechanics get sick and tired of doing these incompetent mechanics work but the problem is after Covid struck the airlines most of the competent mechanics retired and the airlines are stuck with these loser mechanics and management just covers things up,it’s called burnout so the competent mechanics are doing all the work while the loser mechanics just slide through courtesy of management when I retire soon I will mention that airline
Cognisance drops with ionisation of the atmosphere a common condition produced by volcanic eruptions also 5 G might be doing it. 5G is used in airlines, I believe it is the frequency used in weather control.
But add to this the oldboy fraternity and you have dimwits occupying seats in high places all over the world, a case in point is George Bush 2 and MrPotato biden and in Britain Teresa May and Bloody stupid Johnson. You already know all about Justin Castro the Candian turd.
1:51 - those deficiencies are literally what needed for a fighter pilot!
How did a man ended up in the Taiwanese airforce who cannot do these?
Also, this is just pure pilot error, does not matter if a crappy cheap-air company hires unfit persons.
That does not relive the pilot who crashes the plane,
But I give you this: the heads of that air company, the high up managers are equally responsible for this accident.
I remember seeing this on the news when I was living in Tokyo. I have since moved and currently living in Taipei. Every time I take a flight to and from Taipei, I thought of that incident. I have also traveled on that highway many times.
Three people and not one of them noticed the wrong engine was being throttled back. I just can't get my head around this but during panic who knows. This is why don't panic right to the end if you want to have any chance of recovery or survival that brain has to be sharp and at attention. Easier said than done I know.
well this happened all within like 2 minutes and pilot monitering was looking at the checklist
The crash was very quick and Pilot B was busy going over the checklist. He was busy doing his own job while trusting Pilot A to do his. Pilot B could never have known how bad Pilot A was at flying or about the terrible decisions the airline made in letting Pilot A fly at all.
@@thekeiraclementine Indeed, that´s the important point! And when he finally saw how Pilot A had messed up it was too late. - And the First Officer in the Jump Seat was unfortunately too inexperienced on this model to recognize what´s going on.
Pilot A was clearly incapable of doing básic nueronal connections....I cant believe he was be able to be a Capitain responsible of so many lives...
This airline is notorious. After this incident, government require all of the pilots employed by this airline to redo the test.
Most of them apply for retirement because they know they can't pass it.
And especially in developing countries, you don't get the best to be pilots, theses are all rich kids or people retired from military which is known for their bad discipline.
The first officer did notice it and yelled cross check but it's too late. Pilots who were trained in military tend to disregard the existence of first officer.
This habit downed another black hawk at 2020 which led to 8 death including 1 admiral and 2 generals.