Chaos over Oslo! The Incredible Story of Iceland Air flight 315
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Have you ever played the computer game Tetris? If you have, you will likely be familiar with that feeling of how fast things start to go wrong, just before “game over” and how little you can do about it. Well, The pilots of this airplane is experiencing that exact same feeling but for them the stakes are immensely higher Stay tuned!
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Aircraft Used: Boeing 757 version 2 Professional by VMAX:
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:27 - The crew
02:42 - Cat II approaches
04:18 - Temperature inversion
09:35 - Energy management
12:19 - Speed restrictions
16:03 - A useful rule of thumb
18:43 - Faulty PFD
21:29 - Terrifying ride part I
24:45 - Terrifying ride part II
29:53 - Another attempt
31:39 - The Captain is concerned
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That's cool I'm 9 looking for advise captain peter
I appreciate your video, but distrust this sponsor. It's an institution with its own biases judging news coverage. It's not solving a problem, and it may even worsen it.
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Everyone is biased. It takes effort to be unbiased.
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The 757 was designed back when Boeing was still an engineering company.
Same thought occurred to me . I’m not a pilot but understand why pilots came to trust and love Boeing aircraft. It’s a shame that now things have changed.
@@davidrussell8689blame the Mcdonald - Douglas executives that ruined Boeing after their merger.
Negative selection in school and the workplace!
I remember from engineering college where students who were doing poorly in engineering and science would switch majors to the business college, later to become bosses of the experts in the fields that they could not become. If you want better medical care, let doctors run medicine. If you want fine aircraft, let aeronautical engineers run design and production. If you want space exploration, let rocket scientists run the space programs.
@@witwisniewski2280 lol yep. Two people I was in undergrad with couldn’t get into medical school because they couldn’t even get above a 50th %ile MCAT score. They went into healthcare administration and now I’m an obgyn resident and these people who couldn’t even get into medical school are running the hospitals me and my colleagues work in. The number of administrators in healthcare has risen dramatically over the last few decades without any improvement in care, but with increases in cost and workload and decreases in wellness and access. Hurray!
America!
@@witwisniewski2280 So workers should control, or at least have a say, over the industries they work in? bUt ThAt’S bAsIcAlLy CoMmUnIsM!!!1
"What are you doing?!" This is a statement that never ends well if spoken in a cockpit.
Well, it did end well. Eventually.
@@starflyer3219 traumatizing 88 people isn't what I would call a good ending😅
@@celestix_ I'd say if the plane lands, it was a good ending
@@celestix_id take trauma over an unfair death any day.
@@Davidpromaster me too but I would prefer not getting traumatized at all
After an incident like this is it incredibly important to give the passengers proper debriefing. A good friend of me experienced an engine failure after takeoff. They landed safely. Afterwards, my friend who was the captain, went to the cabin and briefed the passengers. When he asked them if they had any questions, an old lady raised her hand and asked: "When can we take off again?"
"Just fix that damn thing already... My grandchildren are waiting for the cookies!"
Well, it is a fair question. It doesn't necessarily mean she wanted the flight to takeoff within the next 15 minutes - she could have just been asking for an estimated timeframe where either this aircraft would be ready or they'd be transferred to another aircraft to continue the flight
""We don't normally take off with only one engine" is a good reply, imo.
In this incident, what could the pilot say? Admitting he screwed up and made critical errors?
@@raerohan4241I think the point here is more that the human approach and a calm but specific debriefing inspired such trust in that passenger that she was ready to fly with the same pilot and even on the same plane.
Ofc not saying this is what happened, just my understanding of the message in the story.
I know a person that was on board that flight. She mentioned ptsd symptoms from that experience and I was in some disbelief of it since flights in Iceland could get rather turbulent and eventful, especially back in the day, I thought it couldn’t be that bad. But now I think I understand how serious and possibly traumatising this was for the passengers. Good job on the video as always, it illustrates one of the worst thing that I am aware of in the history of Icelandic commercial aviation.
The 49 degree down to 40 degree up shift looked absolutely insane, I can't imagine what that felt like on the plane. 😨
This man teaches many important things about how to be a good pilot. This channel should be supported by airline companies and international aviation committees. Greetings from Rome Italy
Thank you!
Great guy,❤him.
They also teach a lot about how people interact and how people might try to work together to create meaning out of good and bad situations.
As a teacher myself, I LOVE this aspect.
As a passenger, it also makes me feel much, much safer when flying.
Amazing channel! 🎉
Bottom line is he loves flying, and that’s why he’s so good!! The Albert Einstein of contemporary commercial flight!! lol 🤩
This man actually made me lose any fear of flying with his content, explaining how and why incidents happen. I've found my passion for aviation once again after many years and now I can't wait to have my maiden flight this june, all thanks to Petter.
That 757 is actually still flying as of today! A true testament to how good that plane is, that's old school Boeing!
I rode on it two years ago, flying from Seattle to Kejflavick - without knowing about this incident.
I flew on it in 2021, Keflavik to Paris.
Miss the 757 dearly!
@@ngai1842I was working LHR/SFO as a F/A after finishing RET the day before at LHRTK training center-I was 42 and tore the fascia lining in my lungs from many simulations and door openings manual and emergency. Men over 35 should wait 36 hrs after tearing fascia lining as they form a bubble and collapse your lungs at 36,000ft. My pneumothorax aka collapsed lung happened over Keflavik. American carriers are allowed to let crewmembers die inflight so when the Dr onboard said I should be offloaded asap, UAL ops said JFK. THe DR said tell Ops JFK will kill him. UAL said JFK. The Dr told the Capt and we went to LHR and I went to Ashford Hospital to have my lungs pumped-. My life was not worth 5 hrs of fuel and 4 extra runway charges. American companies are allowed to kill their employees on the job and the US Supreme Court has ruled that way.
I had an emergency landing in a 757 in Macon Ga regional airport… the pilot commented that a 737 that landed behind us would need to deboard I was confused, why does a smaller plane need to deboard but our 757 didn’t? Christ almighty our plane took off like a freaking rocket ship! That was so incredibly fun and I could tell the pilot was loving it based on his massive smile when we landed in atl 15 min later.
@@crankyoldguy2how did you find out?
Having had a wonderful 43 year career as an airline pilot, now retired, I would like to emphasise the excellent advice Peter said about asking for more track miles. If you do that on a flight where you are high by the following day you would have probably forgotten about it( but wisely stored in your experience bag). But if you hadn't and end up with an event like we have just watched, you'll never forget it..... I think any new co pilot or F/o under command training would be very very fortunate to have you as their training captain.😊
So true.
Did you see a change over the course of your career regarding the stigma associated with asking for more track miles?
@@antonioarroyas7662 I believe I did see a change, though perhaps more driven by stricter adherence to SOP's ( Standard Operating Procedures) and specifically the absolute requirement to fly a stabilised approach. To achieve this it is essential to have sufficient track miles . More advanced flight data recorders which enabled recording of parameters outside normal operating procedures ( high descent rates, excessive speed etc.)was a deterrent as well. To specifically answer your question I believe there is much less stigma to asking for more distance to touchdown. It was made very clear in our training department that YOU, the pilot are flying the aircraft not ATC.( but obviously you would, as fellow professionals, always try and accommodate them if you could. They have an incredibly difficult job.
@@markbradley2367 Interesting, thanks for taking the time to reply.
@@markbradley2367 These short cut approaches, i guess are ok if You request it ! But ATC just want to clear the screen. I now always insist on the full approach in IMC.
My uncle was a pilot, captain, and then check pilot for three different Canadian airlines from 1969 until 2013. I know pilots have to be smart, but I had no idea they have to not only be excellent at flying a giant metal tube in the sky, be excellent communicators, have the ability to stay calm and think fast, and maintain good physical health, but they also have to be really good mathematicians, engineers, and meteorologists! I am pretty sure that is why most of the rest of us in the family are musicians. 😂
This comment made me laugh but it also states the exact reasons why I don’t want to become a pilot myself
Hear, hear.....let me grab my guitar mate ! 😂😂
😂
I am a non-aviator who recently found your channel. I’ve learned a ton! I really appreciate your commitment to non-blame. It is so refreshing in a world where who to blame is usually our very first thought rather than what factors led something to happen.
It would be a nicer and more efficient world if we looked at it with kinder eyes.
All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy
I think it is the best approach in any difficult situation. Blame clearly states who “was” responsible but does not always offer any lessons or a path forward for learning from the mistake. As an engineer, building, and maintaining complex electrical systems is truly dependent on an objective view of the information, procedures, and participants of the system.
@@MrHindifan imo, its the perspective. i mean, you honestly cannot design anything without some dumbass figuring out a way to burn down the building. is it a fault of your engineering, or them being a dummy? why not hold them accountable? do you wanna be held accountable for their mistakes? no, nobody wants to be accountable and thats the statement ure making with what u said... i never knew your simple brains filled with youtube true crime could do something for an hour without pointing fingers
This is something I was taught about back when I was a student nurse.
Not this specific video or incident, but what was taught to us as "Human Factors".
This was taught to us as being based upon the way pilots and aviation related and adjacent specialist and individuals operated, and the system [that we were told] of candour and openness in the aviation world, self reporting any issues, concerns, incidents or problems without fear of reprisals, investigation of incidents and near misses, transparency, the ability to be a "whistle blower" supposedly without negative consequences, and not being afraid to speak up just because someone is a different or senior in the hierarchy etc.
I’m not a pilot or involved in the industry, but my son flies for American Eagle. I recommended your channel to him & he’s been bingeing your content ever since. Keep up the great work!
This channel must be gold for any pilot!
Personally, I haven't boarded a plane in my entire life, but trust me, Mentour has taken me from Jomo Kenyatta International Airport to London Heathrow Airport, to El Prat Airport in Barcelona, back to Rome-Fiumicino International Airport in Italy, and to Charles de Gaulle International Airport in France. Through this amazing story, it's been an adventure all over, and I've learned a lot from the aviation industry from this channel. This channel is doing a great job of educating the upcoming pilots and those who wish to be pilots. Continue with this great teachings.
I wanted to applaud your team for the wonderful job on the animations. It really helps bring the content to life.
Really good point! I have often thought that but never commented on it.
Isn't Microsoft's Flight Simulator being used for the animation?
@@GSP-76 The plane and most of the ground visuals are, yes, but many additional effects (such as the crew discussion, the items floating above the seats, and the toilet water) are all post-FX that obviously aren't in Flight Sim itself and have to be added in with animation tools and the video editor.
Hey Mentour. 767 captain here. Love the series. In the aircraft there are 3 ILS receivers unlike the 737. They are all tuned to the same freq via one receiver on the pedestal. The min equipment and MEL allows for Cat 2 approaches and in certain circumstances Cat 3 land 2 with only 2 receivers operating as long as the centre channel is functioning. So in this case a practice Cat 2 with the FOs receiver not function would be permitted. Keep up the awesome work.
So if you had a left ILS and right ILS failure, is there a way to view the centre ILS on the PFD’s?
Yes. Either pilot can push the EFI switch located on the bottom outside of their forward panel to select ALTN and show centre ILS data. As well the standby attitude indicator will show centre ILS data when the switch is selected to ILS which is the norm for precision approaches.
@@BFlyer smarty pants
Can you give me your experience on this? I have read recently that air turbulence has gotten much worse over the last few years. Can any airline pilots on here confirm/dispute this?
awesome, thanks for the info. meanwhile this guy: YAS DER IS AIR THAT FLOWS IN DA SKY, SOMETIMES
The understatement of the year, that made me laugh. At least the pilot came to his senses and reported the incident. Thank you for the video.
Me too 😂
I know this is a serious incident, and a serious video, but - maybe *because* it's otherwise so serious - I laughed really hard when he said that.
Me too. Made me lol
Lol I actually laughed and blurted the same out before he got there.
Pilot came to his senses but not someone I would ever fly with.
He needs long term remedial training or find another line of work.
That landing was beyond unacceptable
As a Norwegian, and by the sound of it, you being Swedish, I'm so grateful you said "Oslo" correctly, and not "Asslow" as so many do.
Owslo
Ooshloh?
Asslow 😆 That’s a unit of measurement for twerking. “How low did she go?” “Asslow.”
He pronounced it just like we say Oslo in Spanish 😁
As an American I’m so confused. I’ve never heard it pronounced Ass-low before. How should it be pronounced
I am a volunteer firefighter in Germany.
When big accidents with losses of live happen, we get mentally assistance even still being on the accident scene.
Also, the persons, who had a traumatic experience are not just taken away from the scene. Some prefer to still stay with the working colleagues. This helps better than just look them home without any further information.
Your Tetris analogy is spot on. Things start to pile up and you have less and less time to rectify the situation.
Great advice. As the old saying goes, it's better to be 10 minutes late in this world, than 10 minutes earlier in the next.
I would like to know if pilots are asked by the company "why you did a go around." And so have to explain this to someone who might be judgemental?
@@andyharpist2938 A pilot would never be judged on having to go around. Safety is paramount, so it would be dangerous to put pressure on pilots to land a plane in bad conditions. Go arounds are perfectly acceptable, as it should be.
@@mrade5321 Indeed, exactly.
Can you please decipher JAL 123? That tragedy and incident leaves a goldmine of information on how the brave pilots navigated the extreme conditions they faced. Only you can break it down in a way that will reveal what *really* happened. Your videos are detailed and yet possible for laymen to grasp. You make it both educational and entertaining. Thank you.
One of the smoothest landings I ever experienced was landing at Keflavik in the mid 90's. We weren't even sure we'd landed until they opened the door.
What made it even more impressive was the visibility was next to nothing. Standing at the top of the stairs, you couldn't see the ground and they had to tell us the direction to walk in order to get to the main building as we couldn't see anything except a blizzard. I doubt they'd be allowed to land in these conditions any more.
Plane landed itself in that situation
That would have been an autoland using ILS Category III. Only certain airports are equipped for it, but when they are, it's a remarkably safe system. I guarantee you that airlines still perform Cat III autolands when the weather conditions require it.
Cat 3 auto-land In the mid-90’s though? They had ILS but I’m not sure they had auto-land then.
@@Kromaatikse wow, I had no idea it was that early. Thanks!
As a counterpoint I hitched a ride on a Widerøe Twin Otter mail carrier from Tromsø to Bardufoss while in the army.
The weather was exceptionally bad, and had led to my regular flight having been cancelled, hence my need to get back through alternative transportation before my leave was over. But Widerøe was famous for its pilots, flying all sorts of short runways all over Northern Norway in all sorts of weather.
The Bardufoss runway is a very long one, but the inflight can be tricky from one direction in heavy wind.
We literally came in at the runway at a 45° angle, directly against wind with storm strenght in the gusts. And we landed on that runway, practically coming to a full stop in the air, about 25 feet over the runway. Plane dropped vertically, touched the runway hard and rolled no more than 50 feet, before commencing taxiing to the terminal.
Pilot comment on the PA: "A little wind outside in Bardufoss today, but the temperature is nice!"
Widerøe pilots really are something else 😅
My goodness, I think my hair nearly went grey just listening to that! I'm still recovering. It sounds terrifying, and in a way even more terrifying for knowing what was actually happening while the pilots weren't aware of it! It was so chaotic that I was half expecting a crash with no survivors, and it was a real relief to hear that they landed safely in the end. The pilot's announcement to the passengers that the first attempt at landing hadn't worked out is a true classic, but I can't imagine that his statement that they were going to try again was met with much enthusiasm by the poor passengers, after attempt no. 1.
I felt myself getting lighter in my chair as if I was on the plane, Petter's explanation is so encompassing, and the background music sets the scene perfectly! Thankfully they had a safe landing after what must have been a nightmare for the passengers and crew!
The way it was presented, I also assumed the pilots (at least) didn't make it. Glad they got it pulled back together, but I was seriously afraid.
re: trying again, it sounds better than the alternative
@@murdo_mck Not trying again!
@@bobbyfeet2240 I knew that no major fatal accident involving Icelandic Airlineshad been reported, so the story must have a lucky ending - which made it easier to watch the events unfolding. It started to sound like an inevitable tragedy, but luckily it wasn't.
Although I am not working in aviation but in mining, the professionalism of this video is world class. To all young people out there willing to contribute to a safe environment: please do not be afraid to report incidents and have it investigated. It will save other people's life.
Yep. The worst that could happen is they give you the sack, which means you are no longer working for a company that doesn't care about your safety, which is a good thing. 😉
As a mountain climber, in Scotland, I am very familiar with temperature inversions (we actually really like them, as they offer the most breathtaking views when you summit - clear skies around, with a thick blanket of cloud in the glen below you).
It's interesting to see the effects on an aircraft of a weather phenomenon I'm quite familiar with and had never considered to be dangerous.
Likewise with us skiers and snowboarders! Every once in awhile we are treated to an inversion.
It must be a nice view, but not so good for the environment and the people living below if you paid attention to Petter's explanation. As he said, toxic gases and contaminants get trapped near the surface and remain there for a pretty long time.
Baggage handler to Captain? That’s some promotion. Must be a motivated guy
Iceland is a small country. If you have a license, it could be a good way to get a foot in the door. The airlines I have worked for have many stories like this. Office and ramp jobs to FO, then Captain. As you suggest, all were super motivated.
I live and work in Iceland, and regularly fly with Icelandair. Going to miss those Boeing 757s with RR engines. Wonderful laconic report by the pilots! Takk fyrir Peter!
Petter not Peter
@@AviationGuy787 stop gate-keeping the comments for invisible internet points, saddo.
@@and321now well said. No one's allowed to make typos online we all have to be perfect!
That’s a beautiful place with beautiful women. I was there in the late 80’s. Hopefully make it back one day.
@@Roadglide911 It has changed beyond all recognition. Mass tourism! There are indeed many beautiful souls up here at 64N
Got to ride in a 757 once. Holy cow, that thing is a sports car! TOGA is awesome compared to other airliners!
I just tried it myself! It’s a real beast!
Minus 4°C, snowing with freezing rain, just an typical day in Iceland.
it really hit a human tendency to think "it's just one more issue, I can work through it" until suddenly you wonder why everything is falling apart.
Your videos are truly amazing. As a survivor of a ditching in 1963, I have new respect for all the pilots do in a crisis.
Interesting. Was this ditching in the ocean? What model plane, how many passengers?
@@ce7857 Aeroflot Flight 366 is the only ditching I could find in 1963, it was a Tupolev Tu-124 and it ditched into the Neva river in St Petersburg (Leningrad at the time). Some madlad towed it with a tugboat to the river bank. I bet that's a story he told a couple of times. The number of people who can claim that they towed a plane with a boat has to be extremely low.
My most turbulent approch to an airfield was to Oslo.
We were told before the flight started that it had been reported in the area.
With the amount of movement of the plane right before touchdown i was bracing for a bit of a rough landing, but all credit to that pilot it was one of the softest landings i have experienced.
Just found your channel, great content.
First mentour pilot video after the passing of both of my grandparents within a week. 😞 Your videos always bring a smile to my face Petter, even in the saddest of tragedies from personal, to the the professional losses depicted in your stories. Keep up the great work
So sorry for your tremendous loss ❤
Yet another great video! I wonder if Petter realizes that there a lot of non-pilots watching his channel. I'm not a pilot, just an aviation enthusiast.
That’s great to hear!! 💕
Same here! I even bought one hour in flight sim this year. :D
I was able to try out normal takeoff, landing with autopilot and a manual one. It was amazing.
Lol, the innocence, the vast majority of us are non pilots. Its sort of cute that you thought otherwise, reminded me of me, long time ago, thinking that on women tennis forum there are mostly women users :)). For example i'm not even an aviation enthusiast.
(At least i wasn't till this channel, maybe now, i am a little, since ...well ... i do have to engage TOGA mode every time i don't find a parking spot on my side of street )
not a pilot, not studying to be one, just loves aviation as an engineer (software) and I freaking love this channel, how he explains stuff in easy ways that people like me (with no previous experience) understands what's going on is magnificent, too much LOVE from Morocco, keep it up dude
I really like the stories where the pilots manage to pull their cookies out of the fire even if there are lots of mess ups in the process.
Wait, you want to tell me that this Boeing 757 did not had ANY MAJOR DAMAGE?! I am both very impressed and scared of this technological marvel we live in.
Do you live in a 757 Aeroplane? Cool.
Nothing makes me more happy than the new video upload from Mentour Pilot.
Aww! Thank you! 😍💕
I'm a meteorologist and I really liked your visuals to explain the atmosphere and related weather!
You and 74 Gear are best aviation channels out there.
Thank you!
My dad when went through such a horrowing experience when he was a teenager.... The plane suddenly plunged down , and my dad's brother ( then 9 years old) not having his seatbelt , was popped out from his seat and his head hit hard on the sealing breaking his skull.... They could see the ground fast approaching in pure terror but Luckily at the last second the pilots were able to recover the plane... Such a trauma it was for my dad as he grew me up in terror of flying which I still am fearful up to this day....... It was the reason I started watching this channel years ago and starting to learn and understand things about aviation slowly took me to a tolerable level of stress when flying ....
Would you happen to know any information about this flight? Would be interesting to look at the circumstances of it
What happened to your uncle?
Always keep the belt on!!!
@@tenpiloto this. Facts. I’m a pilot, but as a passenger I always wear my seatbelts. I might loosen them up a bit, but they stay locked in, because WHY NOT!?
@@zacherius137 exactly, and I spent 20K hours in the pointy end.
Hey Mentour! I’d love if one day you covered FedEX flight 705 because it’s such an amazing story that not many know about.
What happened with that flight? Just curious.
@@Groxcima Attempted hijacking by a disgruntled FedEx employee
@@Groxcimahey were hijacked by a flight engineer who took hammers and weapons and assaulted all the crew. However, they fought the hijacker and after an intense fight managed to land the plane. Everyone survives
I'd like to hear about this, too.
@@BoatingMarketPlace Air Crash Investigation did cover this one, and I think there was a second one on Seconds from Disaster as well on the flight 705.
Finding them to watch them for free on the internet outside pirate circles may be futile as they love to hold the copyright over these episodes and are eager with the DMCA takedowns.
Hi! I was the captain for this flight and i have got to say that your video is an accurate representation of the events. All i can say is that baggage handling is also like tetris! i have now retired and make luggages for a living!🤣😅🤣🤣
Really? what airline u work for? 😮
Wow you really have a gift when it comes making these videos.
Your ability to give us such a concise picture that realistically portrays the events unfolding because of your experience and familiarity as a pilot combined with your way better than average storytelling skills puts you in a category of your own.
Thanks for giving us some insight into these situations that I would never have had if it wasn’t for you. The entertainment you bring with your videos is amazing.
I could feel the terror that these passengers must have experienced.
I would have been traumatized for sure.
He hires out for the animations, 100%.
Of course he did it initially
This dude makes some of the BEST videos about airplanes. Being a flightsim game addict, I've watched loads of aircraft-related videos, but most are by "pilot-wannabe" FSX gamers, rife with incomplete (and often misleading) information. Videos on this channel are engaging, well-presented, and fact-perfect (no misleading information here). I'd subscribe if I were you.
Dude...
well he is a commercial pilot, so he knows a thing or two about flying
im surprised you don't find these videos filled with useless info if youre actually a simulator addict. im like, bruh, i know it gets colder higher in the atmosphere, and that theres cold and warm fronts, went from plane to being a weather man. im not 10 and already know how weather works.
@@MrPaxiowell pilots have to know about weather too lol
@@danielabackstrom no they dont. if radar says big red big bad, no go. if indicator says big wind, possible turbulence. they dont need a PHD in weather-ology to predict the next extinction level event.
Any day with a new Mentour investigation video is a good day.
Keep it up Petter, I love you work!
Yup, and when everyone survives it’s an even better day, I can’t stand the sad ones.
As one of my teachers once said,
"A shortcut is the worst distance between two points; were it the best, it'd be the main path."
"As one of my teachers once said,
"A shortcut is the worst distance between two points; were it the best, it'd be the main path.""
Quite often the case... Hight risk, little reward.
Goes for flying planes, to walking home drunk and thinking you can manage the little hill off the road easily enough :D
Another non-aviator here. Just wanted to say that your story-telling abilities are very, very good. You also assume a certain amount of knowledge on the part of the viewer which strikes a good balance, particularly if (like myself) they've been watching your channel for a while and have become familiar with some of the common terms and procedures involved in commercial aviation. Well done, sir!
A salute and thought for the services crew who had to do the cabin clean after that.
It's crazy really. As a norwegian, and someone who has flown with and trusted iceland air for many years, i had no idea of this incidient. Fantastic job as usual Petter
@@Olsen.Daniel There were no deaths and no monetary loss. So therefore not newsworthy. Go figure.
@danielsen45 It was reported in Romerikes Blad, January 24, 2002, page 5.
What is his name? The name of the father of my childhood friend is Petter. He's a Norwegian Pilot.
My nose were bleeding while trying to comprehend with your explanations about the wind science! LOL but as always, your channel not only tells the events but also the science behind it. More of these please!!
As a non pilot individual, I can understand your explanation from start to end. I'm only an aviation enthusiast and I must say, when talking to my friends about aircrafts and aviation as a whole, they regard me as or less a pilot. Greetings from Ghana 🇬🇭 (West Africa)
I live in Anchorage, Alaska, but have been up to Fairbanks, Alaska, many times to play music. Fairbanks lies in a geographical depression, and the temperature inversions are visceral. Driving around? You see chimneys -- from homes, many people heat their homes with wood-fired stoves or pellets -- and the smoke goes up a few feet, then flattens out and spreads. I've seen inversions before, growing up on the east coast of the US with thunderstorms and big storms, but nothing compares to getting out of your car, standing on the roof and being able to touch it. Hence the visceral.
This was definitely a very close call and a miracle that everyone escaped unhurt. It appears that the aircraft was subjected to extreme conditions beyond what it is designed for.
Indeed.
I think all passenger aircraft are designed for 4g + some nice margin. Or at least they should. 🤷🏻♂️
As a current Boeing pilot it's fascinating to watch these videos. Just finished my latest sim and UPRT session. So much has changed in the mentality of upset recovery in the modern era. Disconnect the AP/AT, 2.5° nose up wings level, 60% N1. Once its stable - then try and tidy it up.
One of the best things I've learnt in UPRT is to not rush into the recovery and push buttons in panic! About the only good thing to come from AF447. Thanks for the great video!
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It would be interesting to put this flight into a sim and see what the results are like.
@@antonioarroyas7662 Indeed.
I think you have hands down one of the most well researched and informative youtube channels ever! Love listening to you and the interesting things you say!❤️
I like your posts, you are a tremendous story teller.
Thanks for covering this incident Mentour! I wasn't familiar with this one. What a horribly terrifying roller coaster ride for all concerned. I am surprised that following such an incident, that a crew would even consider completing the rest of the turns. Ugh, at the thought of the toilet water fountain!
Hopefully the toilet wasn't in need of flushing prior to this event.
I'm also surprised they didn't consider that they had exceeded the plane's limits! They'd clearly experienced some unusual G loads.
And they should have pilled the voice recorder.
Such a great point about descent and energy management at 14:30. Spot on about it taking years to properly master.
Mentour Pilot, I want to take a moment and tell you how much I really appreciate your fantastic videos. I am not a pilot. In my professional career, I am actually a nuclear reactor operator. It may surprise you how many similarities there are, and how much we, in the nuclear industry, learn from the aviation industry. We are not at risk of crashing a plane, of course, and things for us tend to move at a slower pace. But when it comes to issues like information overload, you really can't be any more complex than the control room of a nuclear power plant, with several hundred indicators and switches. We have dozens and dozens of different systems that all interrelate to each other, as well as focusing on the dynamics and control of a nuclear reactor, and there is an amazing amount of information presented to us constantly that we must manage.
We don't use the same terminology, but we have essentially the same issues and concerns when it comes to how an operating crew works together, our version of cockpit resource management, so to speak. We must learn what indications are important and when, what alarms and annunciators take priority, what information needs to be communicated, and of course, the role of the shift supervisor in his "command and control" to direct the operators efficiently and appropriately. The human factors that come into play, and the human performance tools we use to manage the workload and information we are presented with are very similar to what is used in the aviation community. When equipment fails, we have to always be looking ahead to how that affects the operation of the plant, what compensatory measures we need to establish, and what additional monitoring must be put in place.
I just wanted to thank you for these amazing videos, because I really see a lot of parallels between the fields of nuclear power operations and the aviation industry, and there are a lot of lessons that can be learned to help myself and other operators respond appropriately to any equipment failures. The technical aspects are different, but the human factors are the same.
In Airbus we have a callout of "PITCH" when the parameters exceed the standard criteria, however I always have in mind, that whenever "PITCH" has to be called out, it also should have a number.
For example, in a Go Around, normally we target 15deg and then follow SRS.
In the video above, the exceeding Pitch values might have been slightly mitigated if the FO mentioned a value, "PITCH 10 UP, PITCH 2.5 DOWN, EPR XX etc, APPROACHING FLAP SPEED, etc"
These are non-standard callouts but hey, if the PF is already partially incapacitated (mentally) it would help tremendously giving him values.
This is the presentation you need to watch if you want to learn about this accident. Thank you Petter and team ❤
Incident. Not accident. Just a minor point ;-)
I'm just a civilian who loves these videos, even the hair-raising ones. I'm fascinated by the incredible tech behind aircraft and constantly blown away by the amount of knowledge pilots must have to fly these things. As a slightly apprehensive passenger I actually find the analysis and story behind accidents comforting somehow, and I love having my curiosity satisfied about all the features on jets that I've always wondered about. ✈
This makes me crap my pants in the best way possible. I just flew the KEF to Gardermoen route on Icelandair a few weeks ago and had no idea about this incident. Love it
Peter and his team are not only making an awesome entertaining content, they also contribute to additional training of future/present pilots and therefore potentially save lives.
Shout out to the 3D modeling, it's fantastic. I did a model of Malmö Sturup Airport when I was in school as part of a school project to envision how it could expand, and did so based of online pictures and satellite images, and it took forever, probably spent a week on it in Sketchup. Sadly the model has been lost to time but I remember it was really fun to do, and my teacher who was an aviation fan requested some additional screenshots after the project concluded.
All these technical details and atmospheric, weather issues, also explanations on the psychology of people flying these airplanes and much more are making your channel so valuable.
Essentially, every single video is like "small" scientific essay.
Thank you Sir for such a wonderful, precious work.
As a passenger, I experienced once a very similar incident that haunts me to this day. The forces that were put on the plane that evening was like nothing I have ever experienced. Truly horrifying. No explanation was ever given by the crew, simply a "welcome to Cairo". I wish there was a way to find out more what happened that day. Flight in question is MS122 on 6 April 2007 from SSH to CAI.
Yikes! 😬 Must have been extremely unnerving, especially if you later had to fly back out of the city with the same airline??
@@anna_in_aotearoa3166 Yes, it was very stressful...
Care to describe the situation? I've always been fascinated with just how many close calls may have occurred that were never known to the public.@@panoskaranofficial
I’m quite surprised a seasoned captain experienced such a complete loss of situation awareness. None of these details paint the picture of a particularly difficult approach. As a captain, always encourage your crew to ask questions and make suggestions when they see anything of concern.
Ingen lördag är komplett utan en Mentour video. Tack Petter :)
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Sunday for me !!!!
It seems to be that both Pilots were well behind their Aircraft and that only Good Luck, the light Weight of the Aircraft and the stability of its construction saved the day.
Thank you very much for picking this Incident up which fortunately - and luckily - everybody survived.🙂👍
God was with them!
@@wilmarhinehart8111 Yes.
This video finally hits something that I think has been missed on almost every (or every) other video - the passengers. Peter discusses these horrible things that happen to planes, and yet this is the first time I can recall him talking about what was said to the passengers. It just seems like a key piece of the story that's being skipped.
I always wonder about what's going on with the passengers. How much do they know about what's happening? What's going through their heads? What are they doing in their final moments? I imagine that a lot of the time, that information is lost along with the passengers; it's not like there's a voice recorder in the cabin. But still, I'd love to know.
We don’t always know.
That Tetris analogy is so spot on!!
I want Petter to always be in the left-seat on my flights. I learned to fly a Cessna 152, and it's a lot more complicated than one may think, especially since the aircraft is so simple it wants to fly itself in ideal conditions. The problem comes when there are unforeseen circumstances like unexpected wind shear that can turn a really pleasant day of flying into a life-threatening horror story literally in seconds. Glad to have my prop-plane when that happens. Almost instant thrust where a turbine jet takes a few seconds to spin-up and produce added power. Missed approach and go-around saved my life several times landing at my little non-towered airstrip. Flying is so much fun and satisfying but it can test your mettle.
This should DEFINITELY prove to nervous flyers that these aircraft are not delicate. They are built much tougher than you might think. An aircraft of this size being able to withstand a sudden positive g-load increase to 3.59g is absolutely mental
This was especially fun to watch because I actually flew in TF-FIO from PDX to KEF earlier this month. When I looked up the tail number I saw that there was an incident, and then I saw this video pop up in my watch list.
This must have been terrifying for the passengers. It's amazing how quickly a relatively benign situation can start to go so badly wrong with almost disastrous consequences. Fantastic coverage as always.
Still look forward to these Saturday mornings when Mentour Pilot channel lights up and there is another wonderful video from Petter. My absolute favourite CZcamsr never disappoints. Thank you!
I feel so bad but i just laughed out loud and couldn't stop after hearing the captain's PA: 'The previous approach has not been successful.' And Petter's comment: 'The understatement of the year.' You gotta love this channel! Thank you P.
watching these videos has sparked a passion for aviation i actually never knew existed. I am taking steps into looking at becoming a student pilot even though im in my mid 30s now. I have learnt a fair few things already just from your channel thank you.
It’s never too late !
It's reassuring to hear the airplane went through something that pushed the toilet water up out of the toilets, yet when they eventually examined the airplane they couldn't find that it had taken any damage. But it's a little crappy the passengers was just let off the airplane as if it had been a completely normal flight.
I can't stop watching these!!
I just wanted to say that I found your channel a week or so ago and have been binging ever since. Your delivery, diction, and overall professionalism is so fantastic that it is easy to understand these situations even for someone like me who is not a pilot but appreciates all the procedural elements. Great channel!
I've been on probably about 34 flights in my life and I'm 21, it's really cool to see what all the flap adjustments, bankings, go arounds, and holding positions I remember meant. Each time you explain something I think "Ah! So that's what that thing meant back then" and it's really fun. Always had an interest in aviation, hoping to learn soon :)
My husband never lets me watch this when he's home because he flies a lot for work. That's the absolute opposite effect these have on me; knowledge is power and it's also nice to see what y'all go thru and it reassures me.
Your husband has a treat career and I am sure you have experienced a few restless times waiting for him to return...
@@ClearedAsFiled absolutely
I love the new tetris analogy in addition to the swiss cheese analogy. Great work, Petter!
That's some top-notch reporting on this (and other!) accidents - congrats from an old retired ATPL. Greetings from Switzerland!
I think this video truly demonstrates how overwhelming piloting can be specially under such difficult conditions
I used to want to be a pilot, pretty much all my life, until i started watching videos like these! But you do an awesome job retelling these experiences, i love the computer generated reenactments, it really puts you in the pilots seat, i never knew how many buttons and controls were needed to fly a plane and so i doubt itll ever be something that ill learn. LOVE YOUR CONTENT! thank you!
Yeah...not only lots to learn, but lots of short-term information to process and regurgitate promptly.
When Petter started describing the upset I started cursing every thirty seconds or so - because I knew it was going from bad to worse! I'm not a pilot so it shows how much I learned from Petter's awesome content! Thank you sir!!
Cruise need blnce
Very good points about CRM; I had a mate, a young sergeant, who was in the beam lookout position of a Nimrod, which was right out of the hangar after a major service. He was paying attention during the control checks during taxy. He asked the pilots to roll right and told the captain the controls were reversed. The FE came back and confirmed that the controls were indeed crossed. The captain aborted the flight and the aircraft was grounded TFN. My pal got a commendation for outstanding airmanship.
Your uploads are increasingly seamless and professional. I like the addition of a soundtrack, which augments the emotional response to the material being presented. Thanks for improving my CZcams experience as I watch your uploads.
Definitely agree. The music in this one emphasizes the nerve-wracking situation that’s unfolding. I’ve been bingeing this channel since I found it!
I’ve often wondered how it rains when the temp is below freezing outside, then sometimes it snows when it’s above freezing, now I know, thanks Mentor!
You may not be aware of how many ppl you help by explaining these incidents/accidents.I don't only mean aviation reality,but as "non-flyer" myself i often refer to your hints on daily basis.
Yes! Things like confirmation bias, Swiss cheese metaphor for redundancy, non blame thinking. Petter could be a life coach! 😂
Amazing documentary as always, Petter and team!
By the way I really appreciate it when information is shown on the screen and not just mentioned (like the date/time, locations), it's extremely helpful when it's there. Thought I'd mention it, can't wait for the next one!
Very impressed by your thorough breakdown and narration on this incident! You truly have the young pilots interests at heart, please keep up your stunning work!
Very almost 1.5 Million Subs....
Well done Mr Mentour Pilot....
Thank you! 😄💕
As always a great report back. I bet the passengers went cold after seeing the ground appear so fast !It is always a good thing to just reset and think before taking action in abnormal situations, fortunately, no real harm done !
Wow @5:50 that's the best explanation for cloud formation I've ever seen! Thanks!
My favourite airliner of all time
I think this is my favorite of your videos. The best you have done. And, no one died. Always better to get these things before anyone dies.