Who Is Flying?! The Unbelievable Story of Kenya Airlines flight 507
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There is nothing wrong with his aircraft but still, it has flipped over into a 115 degree bank and the pilots are struggling for their lives to get the aircraft back under control. Outside its dark and stormy but its not the weather that has caused this upset.
This is the almost unbelievable story of what went on indide the covkpit of Kenya Airlines flight 507.
I hope you will find this documentary interesting and if you do, leave some love in the comments!
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TITANIC of the Skies! - The Untold Story of Air France 447:
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The CRASH that Changed US Aviation:
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Below you will find the links to videos and sources used in this episode.
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Sources
Aircraft Used: Boeing 737-800 by PMDG:
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Aircraft Used: Boeing 737-800 by Zibo:
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Scenery Used: FKKD Douala International Airport MSFS by FSXCENERY:
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Crash 1: Cameroon Civil Aviation Authority
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Crash 2: UNKNOWN
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Prep Test: jobtestprep.co.uk
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CHAPTERS
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00:00 - Intro
00:20 - crew overview
01:41 - The Captain
04:18 - The First Officer
05:43 - Departure from Cameroon
08:45 - Weather updates
10:22 - Engine Start
12:12 - Taxi out and backtrack
15:06 - Takeoff
17:55 - No one in control
20:24 - Flight directors don’t lie
23:12 - Bank angle, bank angle!
25:16 - “We’re crashing!“
28:17 - Lessons learned
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how is your comment older than the video
12:38 would be happy to do the "french translation" if needed ... juste ask next time😉
@@chrisday4845 you must be fun at parties
_"It was a dark and stormy night..."_
_"Tower, can I get my clearance in Klingon?"_
It's crazy. I was an AF pilot in the U.S. Then with AA for about 9 years. You always check and double or triple check everything. Whatever you need to do for your crew to keep people safe. As the PIC or captain I had to do a go around in ORD in Chicago because of the low ceiling of fog. An executive from AA came up to me a few days later and asked me, "do you know how much that go around costs"? I said "a lot less than 186 people dead"!
That executive must not have flown anything with passengers before...or at all. Costs can be recouped...dead passengers cannot be recouped.
That answer is priceless. I hope you didn’t get in trouble for that answer and I hope it’s knocked some sense into the executive.
Got him there!
Did it land safely 😢
@@jeffjerrymedia.6232 Eventually when it was safe and legal to do
Whoever passes in the hands of this guy as a trainee pilot is so lucky to have such an incredible instructor 🙌.
sure just don't be on the other flight
Totally agree
Totally agree❤
It's so scary knowing that there are some pilots out there who are underqualified and can cause a crash
Believe me when I say that me and my Examiner colleagues are doing everything we can to stop that from happening. This crash serves as a stark reminder of why thats so important
KQ management and pilots, mmemulikwa!!
Coming straight to the USA too. You send the news that less flight hours are acceptable to fly now? It's terrible
I wouldn't call it under qualified, more like lack of discipline and zero interpersonal skills.
@@maxwellyegoOfficial I have a captain as a friend and we fly sometimes together on xplane espacialy in covid time when he was home. And he told me that im actually more orientated
than A LOT pilots he flight with that was crazy to hear
I feel so bad for the poor first officer. the fact that before they even took off he had to correct the pilot on _which way they were turning_ is unbelievable. he didn't deserve to die because of the captain's incompetence. neither did anyone else on that plane
I know. It's very hard for me not to be angry at the captain becsuse from the very start he was so arrogant he thought he could just do whatever he wanted without following procedure.
-Snatching the radio or whatever it is to call ATC away from the FO when he was supposed to doing other things.
-Taking off before being given the go-ahead.
-Not checking if the settings he'd thought were changed/inputted had actually been adjusted.
-Not calling out things he'd done (ie the autopilot)
- Just generally not paying attention to either his controls or his instruments.
It's heartbreaking how many people had to die due to this man's absolute incompetence, ignorance, and refusal to follow his training.
KQ flight 507 just got its justice From Mentour Pilot! Being a Kenyan, I have read about this incident several times and this is the first time I'm coming across crucial information on the CRM skills and general skills of the Captain. Thank you so much for the core details and research put into this video.
You are more than welcome. I hope it answered some of your questions.. 😔
It exposed a lot about KQ and forced them to make the crucial changes.
But honestly, the price was extremely high.
May they RIP
Wametufikia. Not sure how to feel about it, but I knew this study would hit Captain Mentours' desk. I remember the devastation felt in the country when this plane went down. The incompetence was mind-blowing
This incident really got to me. All those lives lost because of ego and arrogance. Needless. The final report read like the Captain's training record. It's stunning to me that many airlines weren't regularly training upset recovery until fairly recently, and a lot of people had to die. But more training wouldn't have helped his dangerous core issues. Arrogance is different than ego, in that an arrogant person thinks they know it all, no need to learn, thus training is not very effective. Learning is a very humble and lifelong thing, but people often quit ("set in your ways").
@@Lexlugr I'm so sorry, it's was a needless, hard tragedy, and really got to me, so I can only imagine. RIP all.
As a Kenyan pilot there is a generational gap sometimes between us young pilots & the older generation some of whom are quite difficult to deal with (stems from our culture where elders believe they know better than the youngings*) -*warlord* is a term for those captains that are rigid & hard to deal with. Sad, lives had to be lost. 😢
My nephew is an FO for a major US carrier. He’s mentioned this generational issue can also occur with Asian pilots due to a similar cultural deference.
There should be none of that older / younger generation rubbish. It should be based on respect for each other and the fact that you the younger pilot has paid his dues to be there!!
Very true especially with older captains.
Very sad captain
😢
Oh my gosh. My uncle was on this flight. I remember he was on his way to South Africa with a connecting flight from Nairobi, and his wife begged him not to go. She had a terrible feeling in addition to a nightmare she had the night before he had to leave. When he left for the airport she followed him in a taxi begging him not to go. He went. Needless to say she, their two girls and our entire family was devastated. Till this day she mourns him. She was in her 30s when he died and the kids were toddlers. They are now teenagers. She never remarried. RiP my dear uncle FRU ANE CONNILIUS
She would have remarried because the lady is still young
rest in peace to your uncle ):
@ejidikesamuel4540 he just told you she never remarried. Are you really this ignorant to tell him what his own family has or hasn't done? 🤯
Sorry for that
@@felixschrodinger7533😊
In a world full of TikTok crap, it’s great to see someone use platforms in such thoughtfulness, professionalism and detail. This content is what CZcams and other platforms were meant to be. Excellent work.
As a car driver I check my speed routinely every 5 seconds or so just to make sure I'm adhering to the speed limit. It's incomprehensible to me how a trained pilot wouldn't even glance at his primary flight controls for such a long period just to make sure he's not crashing everyone to certain death.
Shocking isn't it
Yes. This was a case of Captain Ego. Sadly they exist I've run into more than I ever should have in my lifetime. It never ends well for them.
Thank you for your service
You’re right.
I also do the same....its wild
This one is very close to my heart. We lost our CEO, CFO and her husband, company secretary and an engineer in this crash (MTN Cameroon). Most of them were my fellow countrymen, South Africans, and they were on their way to our head office in Johannesburg for an executive meeting. It's so funny, I even remember where I was when I heard about this and this was 16 years ago. It was utterly, utterly shocking! It was just doom and gloom throughout the company for a very long time.
Petter, you've put it very gently. The situation in the cockpit was unbelievable. The captain was a complete and utter nightmare to the first officer. I think at some point he even called him stupid or something. That is what caused him to be afraid of him and keep quiet throughout the ordeal until the last few seconds. Upon investigation, they had to go back and listen to the cockpit recorder of the previous leg of the flight, and that's where they discovered the 'verbal abuse.' I'm putting this accident squarely on the captain and his unbelievable behaviour.
Thanks that does explain how he might have been too intimidated to say anything.
I'm so sorry. A hard incident to hear, so I can only imagine. Likely the FO knew early on that things were becoming unsafe, and did what he could, but had been forced into submission. I really feel for him and what he went through in his last hours of life, as there's no way to overcome this personality defect (some of us have spent a lifetime with no success!). The captain should have been passing on his knowledge and experience, as a good example, if nothing else, not berating and bullying his FO. RIP all who lost their lives here.
I´m very sorry for you. And yes, the CVR contained really a shocking behaviour of this Captain - in fact there was no space for this Captain in a Cockpit on scheduled Passenger Flights and it was a serious mistake of the Company to promote him to the role of a Pilot-in-Command after they had detected his shortcomings.
It is not funny that you remember where you were when you heard about this, but that's just how our brains work. We tend to remember the details of what we were doing and where we were when we received shocking news. Many people vividly remember where they were when they heard about the 9/11 tragedy. I certainly do. Similarly, I can recall not just the short period of time when I received news of the death of some of my relatives, but also what I was doing in these days before the news. Perhaps you can relate to this experience as well, not just in this specific incident
Were the ceo and cfo on the plane?
Lost a cousin who was part of the cabin crew on this flight. Thanks for the video, at least I have something to share with my kin back home on what really led to this tragic aircrash that claimed the life of one of our own.
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I noticed in the comments section that the government of Kenya wasn’t much help and wrote it off as being caused by bad weather. In my opinion, that’s a very poor way of providing closure to the friends and families of the victims. I’m glad Mentour Pilot was able to do so for your family because the worst thing for the family of a victim who died in a plane crash is not knowing why.
So very sorry to hear this❤
As a cameroonian, this accident did send shock waves throughout the country when it happened. To date when you say "mbanga mpongo" ( that's the village were the plane crashed) everybody just know what you're talking about. This is the best video I have seen detailing what happened.
Surprisingly, mbanga in my country Kenya means Accident
sad about the accident
Being a Kenyan, this episode has really hit differently. Other investigative series never really gave so much details.
Thanks Mentour pilot for this.
I know what you mean, for me the episode about Air France 447 was hard to watch
Thank this pale for what
@@reckontonottobemoved not very lovely mother of love 😂
This is when I got to know that we Africans our pride will kill us
Heard this 1st by @AbelMutua
I cant imagine the work done on each video of this series, from research to writing the script, simulating and editing..
Great job to you and your team, really appreciate the work.
Thank you my friend!
Indeed. I think it is a lot of work
I was just thinking the same thing. The re enactments in Microsoft flight simulator are top notch and must take forever to make, from finding the correct models in the correct livery to the actual airport. I'm always impressed. The one where the captain got sucked out the cockpit window mid flight was a masterpiece. Keep up the good work!
This is a great job
@@MentourPilot Is this criticism that is positive done by you to pilots all over the world?
I cannot imagine being on the flight from Abidjan to Douala...landing safely...only to discover shortly after that the place crashed on its last leg to Nairobi. Really feel for the families who lost their loved ones, colleagues, and friends during this tragic flight.
As a fan of this page and a Kenyan as well, the details are impeccable. Definitely mistakes done by the pilot were fatal, the 1st officer panicked not knowing what to do or say due to fear of being scolded, that coupled with the weather was a recipe for disaster. This was an eye opener for sure, thank you for all you do.
I’m a Kenyan and I extensively read about the pilot’s character in one of the papers then. The writer described the captain as obnoxious man who took his colleague for a junior or treated him like his own son. Thanks for doing this vid.
Am super stoked you're covering a Kenyan story. Much love from Kenya.
Much love back. 💕
@First Last thank you ☺️ karibu tena.
@@MentourPilot im from uk but in kenya 🥰✊🏽
Greetings from Chicago!
@First Last Jambo. You're welcome again. We love hosting visitors.
It's great that you chose to cover the KQ507 crash from your own point of view. I do like your channel. As a crew for Kenya airways at that time this accident came as a shock and it's something I will never forget. I remember taking off from the same airport on another 737-800 a day after the lost aircraft had still not been found and I just looked down the dense forest with hopes of spotting something.
It was a really sad time for us and the families of the lost crew and passengers.
The weirdest thing is I had a strong premonition of a KQ plane crash in November 2006 the year before this fatal accident happened. That was the time I joined the airline as a trainee flight attendant. What's different in the dream was that I was in the plane and there were many survivors me being one of them. In the dream the plane ditched in the ocean.
I knew one of the crew, Lydia, it was so sad
@@fifirose6123 sad indeed. I knew her as well we were colleagues. A truly jovial lady from Kisii.
Stop your village arrogance.Soon nobody would fly Kenya airways...
Hello Freddy am Robert have seen you have commented on mentor pilot and decided to say hae. I will love to be a pilot in Kenya am already a graduate from Maseno university, is there anyway you can help
@@Rubanifarms Sorry I am not in any position to assist you with your career progression. I was working there in 2006-7 and left forever. Good luck though.
My brother in law was on this flight.
Being the wife of an airline pilot who saved our lives with an engine failure on take off and he saved many lives when the engine dettached on take off at CT international
Its all about training, training, training and experience
Sorry to hear that
I applaud your recommendation to take a suitability test before starting flight training. For some people, becoming a pilot is more about social status than passion for aviation. As an instructor, I have met a few people who started flight training with the wrong motivation. Many years ago, I was instructor for a young man on a type rating course on a transport category aircraft. His dad had paid for all of his training, and he was promised a job in an airline company after completing the type rating. You should think that he was very motivated, but as the training progressed, his performance declined. He struggled with situational awarness and emergency procedures. Remedial training didn't help. He just gave up. This was just not the right thing for him. So yes, it is better to be screened before spending a small fortune on flight training. The airline companies alwyas set the border higher than the licencing authorities.
Absolutely, without a doubt.
If a career is not right for you, it is better you recognise it early on. I love flying, but I would not be a good pilot as I am rubbish at Maths and direction!! I work in an ED as a senior nurse, and I guess many pilots couldn’t cope that either 😂❤
@@kerryoxford9232 Indeed, exactly. And to prevent huge frustration and a shattered self-confidence - and not at least: waste of lifetime.
Yep, especially with careers which can put lives on the line. It's not a big deal if you go into advertising by mistake, but a pilot, a doctor, a military officer, all those kinds of positions *have* to be filled by the right people.
@@kerryoxford9232 I get that, I’m not emotionally suited for it. I’m not constructed for confinement and boredom.
Nice to know what happened to our aircraft from you. Much love from Kenya
I felt every word of your narration run through my body in chills of terror. I held my breath as I watched this , thinking of all those unsuspecting passengers at the back who trusted they'd get home safe. Im Kenyan so it hit home real💔
Problem of buying exams to get into courses one does not qualify for.
I am Kenyan and an avid follower of your videos. I have literally watched all of them and had been eagerly awaiting for this one. Thanks for presenting such a clear and detailed insight into this shocking incident. We have finally understood what happened .
I’m glad you got closure. I read in other comments that Kenya’s government wasn’t exactly helpful in giving answers and wrote it off as caused by bad weather.
Kenyan here. Thank you Petter for covering this horrible accident. Patience with an inexperienced junior is a vital element in CRM
With every pilot/co-pilot! So important to work together at all times!
If you litsened to the story or followed the tragedy since 2007 you'll realize problem was not so called inexperienced junior , it was so called experienced officer
I'm pretty sure aviation has officially become my new special interest, and mostly thanks to this channel. Thank you so much for providing constant refueling to this fixation!
Same
I do what i can! Thank you for supporting.
@carlitocanadiancool6516 considering its safer than driving, no it absolutely shouldn't
@NHL 2K10 that’s just not accurate. If you are to forbid things based on how dangerous they are, you will have to start with things like motorcycles and cars.
@@carlitocanadiancool6516 I highly suggest you look at some numbers of annual losses of life in relation to passenger volumes in air traffic compared to other forms of transport. Be ready for a shock, as what you will find out may have an impact on your worldview.
Am Kenyan and I was 10 years old when this happened….OMG that captain killed all those souls 😢thank you so much for covering this
Yes, and I would underline that he killed those people. If one single mistake in a perfectly fine aircraft makes it to go down, I would name that "killing".
@@Delibro I agree …so sad 😢
@@wanjikuk7662 But reading the comments, it is so wholesome to hear so many Kenyans writing their thoughts and connections about this flight.
@@Delibro I noticed it as well. And Petter gave them the answers that Kenya’s government failed to do.
Oh my gosh! I moved to Nairobi for work 5 years ago and I fly Kenya Airways twice a month, at least. I’m so surprised I didn’t know a single thing about this sad tragedy. I’m glad they have trained their pilots better. This programme was so excellently done! It was astounding and fascinating beyond measure! Thank you!
2007 to 2023.. Lots has happened to improve all piloting skills all around the world. Thank goodness.
Keep flying that airline if you have a death wish. A lot of unbelievably dangerous incompetence and cutting of corners going on behind the scenes and it will culminate in something disastrous...then there will be a commission of inquiry...thats the Kenyan style
@@marehemudanielarapmoi6424 😂😂sasa what airlines should they fly no pilot is willingly going to endanger themselves and their passengers. No matter how many corners KQ cut the decision is always to the pilots . They don’t get paid well enough for them to take off with a plane that’s not up to code.Kenya,SA and Ethiopia produce the best pilots on the continent. It’s good to give credit where credit is due and not demonize a whole industry
At the time of this accident, I worked for MTN Cameroon. I lost a personal friend and three other MTN executives. RIP Paddy.
I´m sorry for your loss.
I hope you got some closure from watching this video.
Sorry for your loss.
@@NicolaW72 Thank you .
@@Powerranger-le4up Thank you. It helped explain quite a lot.
I can’t get my self to stop watching Mentour he has a way to keep you watching !
Sounds like a good thing 😂
Yeah he has a very good script
Right? I should be studying aviation or aviating, but end up spending a lot of time on this. Oddly, I don’t consider it a waste of time
I like watching aviation accident investigation here and on nat geo. But as a Kenyan, watching this one hits differently. I had my heart in my mouth the whole time.
What never ceases to amaze me is how much “normal” workplaces could learn from pilot training. When mistakes cost hundreds of lives you come up with really efficient systems and procedures real quick. I reckon if you walked into any business, passed on a bit of knowledge, they’d see a huge jump in productivity, or at the very least safety and oversight
this. The focus on the effects of psychology and workplace atmosphere especially
@@cdreid9999 absolutely, especially understanding and accepting human limitations, and designing processes that work with them to improve performance rather than actively being counterproductive.
The most depressing of these accidents are where it would have been completely avoided if the junior pilot had just felt comfortable questioning his superiors decisions.
Yeah thats kinda fucked up tho .. how " normal " workplaces could learn ? Dont forget those flight companies make ALOT of fking money . And you think they all work fine and efficient ? I can tell you its every single fking time they are not working . And also , sure those people have to learn alot , but dont forget why they come up with really efficient systems . If they would make the same money without investing in new safer systems while people dying , they would not invest the money in safer systems .
@@cdreid9999 I could bot possibly agree more with smth! You're my hero this morning lol, the other commenter here too. People with brains, refreshing.
3:52 - you describe elements of narcissism really well - entitlement, lack of self awareness, blaming others for their own mistakes (it's always someone else's fault). And you're right, you've got very limited possibilities for improvement as this is unfortunately a very persistent personality style. In order to behave better in a limited area they would first need to know how this improvement would benefit first of all them, it doesn't really help explaining how their bad behaviour will affect others - they don't care about others. And such unpleasant people straight from the dark triad (that's what it's called) also fly planes - but if they do, they'd better do it right.
Indeed 😔
Any time someone tried to explain to my father that his behaviour was causing a lot of people problems, he instantly started talking about himself and the struggles he’d been facing as if it somehow excused all the horrible things he’d done. I had no choice but to cut him off because we need to look after ourselves sometimes too, not try and help those who can’t even care about you. I empathise with anyone stuck in a relationship with a narcissist, whether it’s a sibling, friend, lover or parent. Or in this case unfortunately, pilot.
Yep, a very good description!
@@Yuki-di2rb You did well. Toxic people needs to be removed from your life, even if it is someone as close as a father or brother. It will hurt a lot but it will pay off!
@@Yuki-di2rb Yes, making everything about themselves - also typical. Countless excuses to why they're mean, so they don't need to do anything about it. They always give us bad experiences and trauma, so better to part ways, unfortunately even when these are your parents - if possible. As you say, it's a matter of self care to do it. That's why this knowledge is so important in every walk of life. Also in aviation. Unfortunately I think this is not the first time a horrible accident happened where this personality contributed.
Its scary to know that there are pilots out there that will be unable to stabilize plane from simple turn by being startled.
People
Ikr? Yikes!
Terrifying. Some real morons out there. This man killed dozens of people with his arrogance and incompetence.
It's very painful watching this video coz initially the report from KQ was shallow. The first officer happened to be a son of my high school, Homescience teacher. I recall how the incident carried her away and took her alot of months to comeback to school. May his soul rest in eternal peace 🕊️
I can’t imagine how she felt. No one wants to outlive their children like that…hopefully his soul is at peace, and hers as well. I wouldn’t fault the first officer for anything, with the captain being a giant asshat. I hope his mom knows that in her heart.
What I really love about your videos is the non-judgemental and human way in which you point out mistakes. Very measured. Thank you.
Finally!! you covered this Kenyan flight. Very majestic work. I've been waiting on answers for this flight. Other CZcams videos could absolutely not cover it like you did. I learnt alot from this video too. Much love from Kenya. Thank you Mentour Pilot✈️
Glad to hear that 💕
I hope you got some closure.
I must agree with you as a Kenyan that accident has never been clearly explained. Thank you Mentour Pilot for the closer
It shocks me how many times an incident could have been prevented, had the pilots only been paying attention to what the airplane was telling them through the primary instruments. When I'm on instruments or under the hood, I am SO afraid of missing something that I almost never take my eyes out of the cockpit.
Exactly
I Remember on how this incidence was uncovered in the Stormy Cockpit Episode... Whereby due to lack of situational awareness, the captain panicked and then everything went downhill from there... If only he had managed to stay calm and let the autopilot to steer the plane back into control...
Even flying on my PC, I monitor my gauges every 2-3 seconds out of habit. I think the problem is that you get complacent as flying larger planes is very much like steering a big boat and the feedback is very delayed. Large inputs tend to not end well as it just makes things worse. Certainly not yanking in every direction in a panic.
The one thing I liked most about this video is how meticulously it was professionally prepared; not only the research data used but also the creation of perfect visual aids.
Reminds me of the Korean air crash where a young Co pilot was scared to tell the senior pilot he was making a mistake because of the "respect your elders" culture which is also a thing in Africa.
why? african elders believe in witchcraft. they do not know shit
Thank you for explaining the cause of this accident in detail. As a Kenyan, the reports we received from the media at the time didn't tell the complete story. I appreciate the huge amount of effort you put into your explanations of tragic events such as these.
He's done a great job.. trying to simplify flight technical stuff
I Remember on how this incidence was uncovered in the Stormy Cockpit Episode... Whereby due to lack of situational awareness, the captain panicked and then everything went downhill from there... If only he had managed to stay calm and let the autopilot to steer the plane back into control...
From what I’ve read in other comments, Kenya’s government wasn’t much help since they basically wrote it off as bad weather.
I remember when this accident happened it was such a trigger event for me, because 7 years earlier, I lost my father in the Kenya Airways crash in Abidjan (Côte d’Ivoire). The worst part is that one friend’s older brother, was on KQ507. For many years I wanted to understand in details what happened to with KQ507 and the doomed Abidjan flight. Thank you Mentour for providing such detailed and easy to follow explanation.
Flight 431 was caused by pilot error where the first officer responded improperly to a false stall warning.
Damn
I never knew there was another kq accident apart from this
I am sorry for your loss. I lost two friends and colleagues on KQ 431
i am always amazed at the amount of research you do to get to the facts behind these accidents
I remember this day with nostalgia.
As a member of the in-flight crew with the company then, the news broke our hearts and immense fear. Need less to say, we all needed some counselling that we dint get. RIP colleagues.
May they rest in peace.
I remember too. We were so traumatized but never got any professional counseling. It was business as usual immediately afterwards. I can remember passenger numbers being so low amidst the somber mood. Life had to continue. Had to stay strong and hold tears while working.
As an avid Mentour Pilot fan who's Kenyan, I'm happy to have you cover this accident. It's the first ever air accident I ever got aware of thanks to my uncle, Captain Peter Maranga who is a retired senior captain at Kenya Airways.
There was also the ivory coast accident.... Year 2000 if I am not wrong
@@that_bloke_kiri There was. I’m still surprised that 10 people survived the crash of Flight 431
Legend, best wishes as he enjoys his retirement
Airplanes are the safest means of transportation.Airplane accidents are preplanned to sacrifice people.I hate this because it's all bad politics to kill people.
Why? You should be more happier if a Kenyan cover it
The fact that the pilot took off without clearance pretty much sums up his ability as a pilot. He screwed up before the plane even left the runway. It’s a perfect example of pilot incompetence
Indeed, exactly.
Yes.
You said it better than I, incompetence is polite for what I was thinking.
There is also an effect when light is off to the side of the airplane. I first encountered that in training in Laramie, where the airport is west of the town. The lights give the illusion that you are in a bank, causing you to want to turn away from the lights to "level" the airplane (on the assumption that ground lighting should be below you.) Lightning in clouds, I learned and experienced later does the same thing.
Kenyan here, finally seeing what happened you've earned a subscriber. Very good work, RIP to all lost souls.
Petter is so polite. He never calls that pilot fate’s lethal agent. (Amended after a thoughtful reply)
All companies should screen their employees, especially when what they do puts the public’s lives at risk.
@@fortye7 Pilots with an arrogant or condescending attitude towards other crew should be retired before they cause an accident!
I know. This pilot was such a hack. Such a fool. And a tool that got hundreds killed. If it hadn’t killed 100+, his recovery efforts would have been hilarious. Him just randomly yanking the yoke left and right. Just hoping he might get lucky. 🤦♂️
I don't understand why an airline would promote to Commander a person who showed serious issues in CRM and personal attitude, even when being subordinate. It's bad to have a Second-in-Command like that, but outright hazardous to have a Commander like that! Is there such a shortage of Captains that they need to promote people that aren't up to that role?
Because Peter is calm, collected and professional at all times which is pretty much a crucial necessity for good pilots to have especially when it comes to emergencies. Sully Sullenberger is a great example
As a Kenyan aviator living in Australia, this story was well explained. The captain rushed the procedure, lacked cockpit discipline and was controlling to his first officer. As the main carrier connecting west Africa to east Africa, the Kenyan government did little to reassure families affected and It’s believed
“The gods of doula“ never forgave KQ. It’s never been the same again for Kenya airways.
b737 is better than B777
How did that happen
@@saintmjin how is the 73 better than the 77 😂
@@rayanaltowayan9558 that was my little son =]]
Julien daddy miss you I hope you find this.
Leave your ego in the terminal.
Well said!!
Thank you so much, for this insightful narration of what led to this tragic accident. Here in Kenya, it was thrown under the carpet, and simply termed as bad weather.
Kenyan culture emphasizes unquestioning respect for elders/ superiors that is sometimes hard to overcome by training..
I’ve heard that culture can sometimes play a part. Korean Airlines had some safety issues because of how Korean culture influenced their training.
Are you implying that we have a closed culture ? That may be your opinion but from a professional standpoint it’s not factual.
@@a.nasongo3152 I think what she’s trying to say is that the culture of some countries can have an effect on pilot training and unintentionally compromise safety. Kenyan culture is not bad, but when it comes to aviation, it is vitally important that crew members work as a team now matter how big the age gap is.
Colonial culture imposed that in professions.
@@martino6205
Haha.. ya sure mate. It's colonialisms fault. Having respect for one's elders can't possibly be something inherent to a culture by itself right? All the colonized countries were just blank slates before the evil whities came.
Nowadays, nothing haunts me more than the words "and this is going to become important very soon..."
These videos are excellent, and I apply many principles to my non-flying life. Keep up the great work!
When I'm watching a video on an accident I'm unfamiliar with, it haunts me to hear "maximum altitude reached" since I then immediately know the aircraft is doomed.
I am a pilot and Im planing to crash my next flight with 200 people on board , hope you won't be on that flight ... this will become very important soon ...
Hi Petter, i flew from Nairobi to Douala and Abidjan and back several times in this era and was mystified by the crash. We heard from Kenya Airways staff that a rainstorm had caused engine failure. Made no sense at all. Thanks for this detailed reconstruction, which l have been waiting for!
Thank you Mentour, as always. This tragedy made me very angry, it was entirely avoidable. The airline should not have employed this incompetent captain at all.
the captain knows someone who knows someone which is why he was given so many chances, if he haven't, his career would have been over a long time ago
or..... CERTAINLY not have rostered them together.
Mentour, l love your flight analysis & appreciate all the research & preparation you do. I know it is hard work & quite time consuming. In that lve watched many of your episodes, l always stick my head in & tell the pilots "thank you". Im afraid this question will slip out next:
"Please raise your hand if you are the person who actually looked at and checked the "pitot tubes for patency" 😳
Thank you! As a Kenyan, this is the first thing I searched for when I stumbled upon your channel a few weeks ago. I was a kid when it happened but I vividly remember the headlines in the papers.
Some of these really leave me speechless; how do you not notice that the autopilot hasn't engaged? And he was a very experienced captain - even with his noted issues - this is still such a shocking oversight.
And even if you don't notice it immediately, there were many, _many_ opportunities to notice it before things started going south. And then once it was noticed, he engaged it and then disengaged it again in a panic? How does anyone with that much experience know so little about how to do their job?
@@raerohan4241 he knows somebody who knows somebody
there was this AF pilot who happens to be in the good old boys club, somehow managed to pilot a b52 bomber, after several complaints about how unsafe he is for YEARS, he finally crashed the b52 into the ground killing himself and the crew, because he likes push to the limits which at that point was way past the limits, so the whole chain of command he was under also had to go, because they known about it and always cover up for that jerk, i guess they are jerks themselves, you know, jerks looking out for jerks at the expense of other people's lives, smh
The problem with the experienced pilots is complacency
I think the worst thing was his panic response, to just start yanking the controls one way and then the other without paying any attention to the flight instruments is crazy for an experienced pilot. Aren't they trained how to recover the aircraft from situations like this?
I wish airline's too were designed with an auto pilot warning light when not engaged
As a pilot I always thought a ding or chime along with a soft voice announcing when a system is turned on would be a nice additional confirmation. This of course couldn’t be on all the many systems but could be on quite a few. Much like apps on your phone have different alert chimes for different apps, this audible confirmation along with the normal visual confirmations would help. In this case of the auto pilot he would not have heard the notification which may have caused him to confirm visually.
I have this for my wireless earplugs when the battery low and it’s not too distracting when doing tasks. I can see why it would be a good idea as a pilot. Reduces the human error. There is one when it’s disconnected, right?
Thank you Mentour Pilot for this. I can say with authority that although this cost lives, the lesson forever changed how KQ crew training and CRM happens. There is almost no chance of anything like this ever happening again.
I certainly hope so. It shouldn’t take people dying for something to done, but sadly, it’s how tombstone technology works. It’s only when a body count is built that anything is ever done.
feel so bad for the 23 year old young first officer who didn’t have a better captain by his side
You are a golden standard in aviation reporting.
As a person who works in occupational health and safety I would say he's a gold standard in just general incident investigation communication, I struggle to imagine an industry that does a better job of responding to incidents, investigating and making changes. I'm sure it's there but the aviation industry and petter specifically are definitely very impressive.
As a Kenyan, I believe this was all down to the attitude and how each pilot worked
Exclusive information than can be hardly found anywhere else, thanks for answering conundrums that has been with us for the past 1½ decade.
This answered so many questions I have had over the years. Especially since it happened close to more than 15 ago, I really thought it was mainly the weather. Thank you for this break down.
When there's no horizon, flying an airplane without looking at your instruments is sort of like driving without looking out the windshield. Incredible. Infuriating how people can fly a perfectly good aircraft into the ground.
I get pretty bad anxiety when I fly thinking of the worst things that could happen. I started watching these videos and it’s really eased that anxiety, the thorough explanations and insight into the details of the times things go bad puts things into perspective. With each accident/incident, regulations become more comprehensive to prevent that in the future. Also hearing about some of these pilots handling situations like professionals and have saved lives gives me hope.
in my case the anxiety during take off and landing increased, having learned (through this channel) how most crashes are happening in those instances and mostly by human error. I tend to 'dive' into my headphones and ignore the surroundings. I prefer not to be aware of a possible fatal crash on it's way.
@@sachadee.6104 No you should be, while yes most incidents are on takeoff or landing the generally lower speed and altitude means you have a good chance of surviving the crash but then it's a matter of 90 seconds to get out before the fire can become overwhelming. So it's the most critical part to be aware of your surroundings. In a smoke filled, possibly overturned cabin full of panicked passengers having briefly counted how many rows you're from an exit can be the difference between a few bruises and burning alive. Not the most positive thought but if anything I would pay the most attention then. After that in cruise it's ulikely something would happen and if it does there is lots of altitude to figure out the problem. It's not that particularily many mistakes or problems happen during the beginning and end of flights but that you don't have the altitude to recover.
Besides you would notice. A fatal crash at low altitude is usually pretty... violent. Like here. Not eveb the fanciest noise cancelling headphones and loudest of music will prevent you from seeing the end coming. But it's fast. Here it was 7 seconds from the last possible chance of recovery to the crash. If you're anxious you might also sit by the wings. Necessarily due to the loads it's by far the toughest part of the liner and although it depends where you have the best chance on how the crash happens, it's the most likely to have survivors, g forces are absorbed as your co-passengers are squished up front and if the aircraft breaks apart it'll generally be into three parts, midsection with the wings, aft and cockpit plus first class.
Really first class are stagistically the most deadly seats. So I guess that's nice. A few fat millionaires to absorb the impact forces for the peasants aft. Plus in the midsection you are likely to have the most access to exits with the overwing ones and a set in front and behind you. So if some are blocked you have good chances to get out fast. But 40 million flights a year and statistically a fatal incident a few times a decade. Even the walk to your car is more dangerous not speak of the drive to the airport. Getting into a car in the US is a 1/5000 roll of the dice if you die. Long distance flight on a jetliner is 1/50 million. The latest gen 737 somewhat ruined the statistics globally and in the US there have been periods of 10 years with no fatality only interrupted by a passenger prematurely exiting through a window after an explosive decompression (seatbelts, just keep em loose but always on when seated, could save you a headache if some unexpected turbulence shows up).
@@user-lv7ph7hs7l thx for the long "reassuring". I do count rows to exits and allways have seatbelts fastened. For the rest I don't look up and aroubd much.
Unbelievable. This captain was totally unable to do his job. Its a miracle that he didnt crash a plane earlier
Late to the party, but as a Kenyan thank you for covering this incident. I was around 3 years old when it happened, and all I can remember is being grateful my dad wasn't on this flight, as he was travelling to Cameroon when I first heard the news. And thank you for addressing the important issue that sometimes being a pilot isn't for everyone (as we unfortunately saw during this incident).
You had so much awareness at 3? 😆
@Freddy O yes! Some ppl do. Myself included.
Hope wewe ni mrembo😍😍,are you taken🤗
@@UnknownUser-in1ok 😂😂😂😂 wow
2007...3yrs...what are you saying
This is super super amazing to watch this accident investigation considering I am from Kenya and I work in the aviation industry. I am both a researcher and writer on matters of safety and security in the industry and so this one comes in handy especially on safety topics of CRM, Training, Swiss Cheese Model and character/attitude for personnel working in the industry. I am today a very happy aviator and I will share this one all over. I've just been watching other series of accident investigations from mentour pilot's channel but today I have watched that which I can best relate to. 👏👏
I was working with Kenya Airways as a vendor at the time out of JNB, I remember when it happened. The PR and marketing manager for SA I worked with, visited the crash site a day after the accident. He came back a changed man and needed serious therapy sessions following what he saw. He was very much affected by this... he reported the carnage as inexplicably awful.😪
What a great clear and concise analysis! Great job @MentourPilot, I've learnt a thing or two on principles of flying an aircraft and the actual circumstances that led to the accident.
I deeply enjoy these breakdowns. From you from Kelsey, from blancolirio. I'm not a pilot. I have taking off, flown and landed planes quite a few times when I was working for a man who insisted that I be able to fly the plane in case something happened to him. But this was in remote bush, and I never went for my VFR are much less IFR.
I love listening to you guys because I can learn nuances, far beyond just the simple operation and instruments. But crew interaction, and hyper-focus on problems that turn out not to be key. It helps me learn how to think about it. I still have hopes of getting my pilot's license. I'm too old to fly professionally for anybody, but I'd love to have my own small plane. And not kill myself flying it.
haha, not sure how to think about your "flight instructor" :)
Yes, people die in hundreds to keep you entertained.
Very cool story. I have been flying and landing a single engine aircraft once and it was as exciting as non-elegant ;-)
Let me add there has been a professional instructor sitting next to me.
There’s an up-and- coming channel that you might want to add to your rotation: Green Dot Aviation. Doesn’t have quite the polish of Mentour Pilot, but does have a similar approach of informing and investigating without sensationalism.
@@JosieJOK Green Dot is one of my new faves. Basically Air Crash Investigation without the 'repeating-the-same-info-before-and-after-the-non-existent-ad-break' waffle that I can't stand anymore. They get the 'mystery' element going too, not revealing too much at the start to keep you guessing. The Irish accent also helps. Good suggestion!
Your pilot testing procedure in the cockpit looks so very complicated. You’re watching the pilot’s every move, monitoring those screens, and doing your written evaluation or checklist at the same time, impressive! You must be tired out after one of these tests. I wish you could test every pilot in the planes in which I’m a passenger!
Right? I wish I could request that only Petter or Kelsey (from the 74Gear channel) fly me around 😂
This hit close home! Thanks so much for bringing this out.
Thanks for the video, as a Kenyan, I was really looking for a detailed answer to this particular crash and finaly you created time to dig deeper into details. Keep up the good work, Much love from Kenya
It's hard to believe this flight crew screwed up so badly. A tragic accident. As always, a fantastic analysis of an airline accident.
As a younger generation Kenyan I can confirm all about those older arrogant know-it-alls. This video was 100% on point, well done and very subjectively executed. Keep it up. Looking forwards to more.
They are called boomers..idiots😢
The research on this particular crash is quite articulate and comprehensive. Awesome scripting and simulation!!
I have been waiting for this. Thanks Mentour Pilot. It has answered many questions that have lingered my mind for long. Cheers!
Petter and team - you continue to make the best series on aviation globally, be that online and/or on TV.
Aww, those are nice words to hear. Thank you
I know, right? Those TV aircraft accident investigations are so sensationalist and unnecessarily bloated in contrast. You have the same segments being repeated over and over again just to "build up tension". That's what generally differentiates quality CZcams content from traditional TV imo - there's pure CONTENT instead of bullshit. If something has content for 15 minutes, it's 15 minutes long, not 1:30 hours...
@@MentourPilot you are welcome.
@ I used to love them. But they are just people screaming. Ugh. And very little detail once the great "secret" is revealed at the very end...
As a Kenyan,I have always wondered what really happened that fateful night at Duala.... thanks a lot for this factual account of the crash...
Thank you for your consistent professionalism Captain. Always informative, factual and respectful. This KQ crash has always haunted me as the pilots and crew on board were my brothers colleagues and friends. May their souls and all that have lost their lives in aviation accidents rest in peace.
This brings memories, bad memories...
I remember the day when I heard the aircraft had disappeared... upon learning who the Capt was, I said, he's killed people...
I remember two previous incidents with the same captain, one not directly with me... and I wonder would we have averted this 😭
Maybe yes/no... it's sad that so many people lost their lives.
Kenya Airways is really safety oriented and takes serious CRM.
We pray this never happens again 🙏🏾
Thank you for the detailed and fact-filled explanation.
This shows you do your research very well.
I hope this will be used to avert future accidents.
I just wish you knew how many people are educated by watching your videos. A special thank you for covering this horrible disaster from my country Kenya 🇰🇪.
I certainly noticed. Some of the people who commented lost friends and relatives in that crash and I’m glad they got some closure.
Happened when I was in Primary School in Kenya. Back then there was no way we could comprehend the complexities behind such accidents. All my classmates said they would never want to be pilots but for me it remained a big dream. Sadly never got the chance.
Sorry to hear that. I hope this video answered done questions though
@@MentourPilot It has helped and I am really thankful for the details in all your videos. Fascinating stuff and very important life lessons in there. I feel like almost all professions require the same kind of care and presence.
I really enjoy it how you slip in a quiz question now and then. Keeps me focused. It’s clear that you’re a teacher and probably a very fine teacher. That’s super cool, man. I learn things about flying from your videos.
MP so funny!! 🤣🤣 When reporting about rainstorm, the rain can be seen even in his studio.... 👍👍👍 Great work btw...
Watching from Nairobi, Kenya. This incident was a dark chapter for Kenya Airways
I can imagine..
The best channel ever! I had always waited for this story for so long. Just the way you produce your videos gives me goosebumps! Keep up the good work Sir. Kind regards from Kenya.☺
Thank you, I hope I made the story Justice . 😔
@@MentourPilot Anytime. ☺ Yes you have. I love this episode!
Thank you so much for this informative technical video with great inputs on pilot error and aero dynamics.
Yes, an aptitude test at initial stage is very important.
My heartfelt condolences to the familied of all the precious souls aboard flight 507.May their souls RIP.
Pray such accidents does not happen.
May God be with all the Pilots as they command the flying marvel.
Thanks again for this excellent video.
Much appreciated.
I’ve been patiently waiting for your next video since binge watching nearly everything on your channel 😅 You’re an inspiration! I went from having pre-flight jitters to looking into a pilots license thanks to you!
Being a primary school kid back then and hearing the news later that evening, was a clear sign to me to always pay attention- A lesson you can only learn from mistakes. Thank you Mentour Pilot for the critical details. Am now 100% aware of the situation after reading the recommendations and now your video. Keep up.
Got here by chance.. much love from Kenya
Thanks mentour for covering this so unfortunate flight.I have watched all your videos n you really evaluate the scenarios meticulously.
Heartbreaking. These mistakes seem so basic.
Edit: HUGE thanks for the Airline Pilot Club link, I always wanted to test myself!
Thank you for analyzing this accident and sharing crucial details! As a Kenyan, I really appreciate it!!!
As a Kenyan on this page I remember vividly this air disaster being announced on Radio.A KQ missing aeroplane was reported by the veteran Journalist Mambo mbotela.Sadly this accident was caused by a stubborn Captain
Absolutely fascinating stuff.
I really appreciate your effort with the animations. It adds so much to the story and really captures the terrifying reality of what’s happening. Well done.
I’m not a pilot but I have learned a ton and binge this series.