WHEELCHAIR REPAIR: seat lift operation with no batteries (Permobil 3G)
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- čas přidán 3. 06. 2019
- Today we go over how to manually adjust the seat height on a permobil power chair without batteries, or one that's too dead to power up! This process works for most all Permobil wheelchairs with 3G seating
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You saved my day today! Dead batteries that could not be taken out because the chair was down. We can take 'm out now, thanks to your video.🌤
Thanks
Hey I just picked up two of these C300s for free. Just passing along the info that a 5Amp XLR charger from Amazon can be tricked into charging flat batteries simply by plugging in the charger, powering up the chair, and using a function like tilt or lift for a moment. The charger that I purchased has a light that cycles between red and green but when it's really putting in work, a small fan fires up inside it. This is how you know the process has been successful and you can power off the chair and allow it to charge. I got both of those chairs going with this method. Thanks for your videos on these chairs, they are full of excellent info.
I saw a C300 for sale for $50, needed batteries. It got grabbed fast. Wasn't worth renting a van and driving 700 miles round trip for me, though.
THANK YOU!🙏❤️
Now that is very cool to have that option!!!
Ok I’m an ATP and have been repairing wheelchairs since I was 13( mom owned a provider) - Sir you need a jump box. Don’t have that budget? Do what I do: find two old chargers, try for same brand 5amps and up, tape/heat shrink insulation, and a set of wire strippers. You know where I’m going, slice and splice the two cords that end in 3-pin connectors so that you have one on each end. Then take apart each connector and clip the arch solder/cable from the 1 pin to the 3 pin(could be reversed on some chargers brands) then put it all back together. You can now jump a dead PWC from a charged PWC by connecting them with the “jump-cable” from charging port to charging port. BONUS: if you have an extra collapsing scooter battery box, you can switch out the 5 fuse in the front for a 25 fuse connect your jump-cable to the box and then a dead PWC and you remove the need for a second PWC that’s charged. - hopefully that helped someone and I didn’t confuse you😂
oh i built one years ago, and use it all the time! unfortunately, its on my list of topics that can never be covered in a video.. no matter how many warnings or disclaimers are given, people WILL try and drive their chairs around using one, and melt all the wiring! :^/
(people have attempted to sue for far less)
This was a lifesaver. Thanks!
Would have love to see how to get the charger to start charging.
that was a great video, I checked all over online for the manuals and when I found them, they said nothing about this. Your the man. Thanks again
Thank you!! This is exactly what I needed. You are a savior.
Dam now you post what I was looking for. I picked up an c 300ps the other day and wouldn’t you n
Know it dead batteries also doesn’t have seat lift , but just to make it easier just splice into charger and old Skool 24 volt charger and connect works every time
Great. Can you advise on lift motor gear slipping, please!
Hey 👋🏾. Hope you’re feeling well. I have a EW-72 scooter. I don’t know if you have a scooter or like them, but i want to modify mine with fatter tires, light strips, maybe add some Bluetooth speakers and such. Do you have any thoughts that might help and where I should go to get tires and supplies? Mind you, I’m NOT a super genius like yourself but you have inspired me to have at it! Any help is appreciated. Thank you in advance.🙂👋🏾
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For an M300 without elevate, is there a way to manually make the seat tilt or lift the feet rest?
Wondering if you have a invacare tdx-sp because this almost looks similar but I would like to know the procedure on the invacare battery change because it has front and back covers and I know some things have to be disconnected I cannot find a tutorial
Is there a manual way to lower a permobil standing power wheelchair if the controls stop working?
Any recommendations on transporting one of these? I need to get a m300 hd down a small flight of stairs. Not sure if it would be best to try a disassemble it a bit or just try and lift it with a few helping hands. Batteries are also dead and have been sitting dead for 4 years.
usually 3-4 people are gonna be needed to move one of these.. they dont really come apart easily.. BUT the way id recommend - get some straps, or loops, and attach one to each corner, on each transport bracket.. and get one person on each strap/loop and carry it around that way. lifting the chair using the seating, or any other part can damage things easily - but the transport brackets are solid! good luck!
Hey there, could you please tell me the size of that seat crank hex tool? Lost mine, must buy one to fix asap my chair... Chair is an oldie but goodie; do repairs on my own. Btw, great video. Thx so much!
its a 5mm allen
Cool! So with the allen wrench that came with my F3 would this still work with the Corpus seating system if I needed to raise the elevator manually?
i need to check on that.. kinda forgot the f3 the elevator mechanism is in a different spot...
Totally Normal we’re you able to find this out? We are stuck right now. 😕
the seat elevator and the tilt mechanism are different on the F3 - the vertical post in the front is actually the tilt actuator.. if the seat is stuck in the up position - there's 2 actuators responsible for that - and there isn't really a simple manual override for lowering it back down. in my experience trying to use any allen wrenches just breaks things on the F3 :^/ its something a permobil rep, or DME shop has to fix...
Totally Normal Bummer and I thought it would be simple LOL
I always wondered why the allen was so long. the VA does not consider lift to be important, so none of my chairs have it, I have tilt for pain management, but no lift. there are times I kinda miss using my Permobil, but I really am getting good use out of my Frontier V6 these days. just wondering, do you know anyone with a really good deal on the city tires for the V6? when I am just running around town, I feel like I am wearing down my knobbies for nothing. but when I go out in the woods, I really see the benefit of them.
Crazy how VAs are different... They put a lift on my chair but no tilt... Lol
I found an F3 Model 2 that is listed for a really low price because it "Needs batteries/charger repair, but this video tells me they let the batteries die and the charger won't start charging. If it isn't gone, I'm gonna rent a vehicle and go get it. They say they don't need the chair, and I'll make an 1100 mile trip to get it for $200.
I’m getting a 2022 permobile M3 and I was wondering if there is a way to totally get rid of the turtle mode I’m told you can no longer program it out. Any suggestions or videos you have on it would be great. Thank you
it is possible with some 'unsupported' programming :^) but you need an R-Net USB dongle.. they're kinda expensive though :^/
I’m getting a 2022 per mobile M3
Another cool titbit of knowledge... never new what that allen was for, good video, sore wrist?
yea hah - this was from like 2 moths ago.. completely forgot about it!
Never knew what this thing was for either!
I have watched many of your videos. I have an older c300. I screwed up. I put a fair amount of white greese on the seat elevator post. I am a woodworker. Now as you have figured out. I got wood dust mixed into the gease. I have been cleaning the post with WD40 then wiping it clean. I got noise grinding, and a bit of rumble. How hard is it to get into where the gears are so I can clean it out? I am really worried. Is this a really big deal? Its not a G3. It’s older than that. Maybe 2K miles on it. HELP? Thank You! Thom Schuck Portland Oregon. Thank you much!
hey! so they operate with an allthread rod type arrangement.. there's a motor that connects to the big drive screw with a cogged belt in the base of the chair. removing it requires some kinda hoist..
2 videos for ya - a super old one with a 2g C300
czcams.com/video/QMwFqBpm96o/video.html
and a newer videos that's more detailed with a 3G chair, BUT shows more of the innerworkings of the lift (both chairs use the same exact seat lift mechanism)
the second video is probably a bit more helpful :^)
once ya get the thing out of the chair, ya can take it apart and inspect the drive threads inside the lift tube.. lots of work, but not really 'complicated'
Hi, would you have any idea how to manually raise the seat on a C400? We have battery problems but can’t get the cover off with no power. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
i *think* it should be a similar process.. the seat elevator modules are pretty much the same underlying mechanism - but with different mounting..
Totally Normal Hi there. Rod, in the post here, is helping me with the C400 batteries. Para here too, short and not as many tools, or ideas as you 😁. I need to get the batteries out, and place new ones. Great chair, but can’t get the seat up, still. Is there a way to send pics, to you or post, with seat bottom removed, and where to find manual seat riser?
We have a permobil f3, and we can't find the manual way of doing it. I found the long allen wrench, but I can't find the slot.
so the F3 is different.. and honestly i haven't gotten it to work on the newer chairs.. the service manual tells about a procedure to adjust the height, but things just break anytime i try.. HOWEVER it is possible to get the batteries out of the chair without raising the seat lift! the service manual is on the website.. but the section on how to elevate the chair manually doesn't make a lot of sense.. www.brokenwheelchairs.com but if ya remove the 2 thumb screws on the top cover, ya can slide it back and access the batteries in pretty much whatever position the seating is in! ive also got a video on battery replacement for the F3.
czcams.com/video/zg55wUFC17c/video.html
good luck!!
Really great video Dash one question though what can you do if you’re stuck in the elevated position and your batteries go out?? How do you get out of the system then?? I am not that tall to begin with nor do I carry a parachute! L O L.
lol- no easy way outta that one :^/
Would it be ok if I use a drill with a long hex bit?
well.. there's a lot of delron components down in there that can crack or strip out.. ya *might* be able to go SUPER slow - and make sure the clutch on the drill is set pretty low.. but i wouldn't recommend it. i've use a ratchet before... its definitely a workout though!
@@TotallyNormal- it makes sense. Thanks for responding.
Mr , my wheelchair doesn’t have that Allen screw, but I have the wrench from the back of the chair and I don’t see the allen screw is there other place on the wheelchair. I need HELP this is my only transportation. Thank You.
if the chair doesnt have a seat lift, theres a clamp down below on seat tube mount that holds the seat in place.. it a bit of work, but loosening that a bit then lifting up the seating with a hoyer or similar should giver access to the covers!
@@TotallyNormal- Thank You for the reply, and Happy New Year.
So how do you get the seat up on a C300 if the lift actuator is not working and winding the Allen key has no effect at all? I'm assuming that I'm just going to have to unbolt the seat from the top to get the actuator out.
make sure the allen key is fully inserted into the correct spot, and fully engaged.. if the seat is tilted at all, it makes getting it in there a bit difficult...
@@TotallyNormal- I'm sure I can feel the allen key engaging but winding it just does nothing. Seat is completely level. it was elevated a bit and just dropped suddenly to its lowest point with a loud thunk. I suspect something in the mechanism has broken. The batteries are "ok" and you can hear the motor in the actuator turning.
@@TotallyNormal- it definitely failed quite catastrophically. The threads on the inside of the post with the splining have completely stripped out. I do have photos. Even getting the seat off was a pain. It is a very old C300.
sounds like it had a lot of use!! interesting to hear that the internal lift screw stripped out though..
Hi! My husband's Permobil won't turn on. I know that the battery was fully charged last night. But if you flip the power switch nothing happens. Any tips for me before I start randomly taking apart the wheelchair and wiggling wires?
hey! lots of factors... id check the breaker on the back of the chair first, make sure it hasn't tripped.. did it just not power back up in the morning suddenly?
@@TotallyNormal- Hey, I called Numotion, and they had a guy do a video call with me which was helpful. He had a crazy solution, and it was the first thing he suggested that worked. The joystick was a loaner because the original broke. And on the loaner joystick, the right switch to switch speeds was up. The guy said, hey, flip the right switch to the middle (so not fast or slow). And then miraculously it turned on. He said something about maybe the spring in the right switch was broken?
ah yes! if the spring in the power paddle is broken, it'll certainly cause those issues! ya can strap a rubber band across the joystick from the speed paddle on the other side to hold it in place till a replacement arrives :^)
Hey my name is Brian I have some ? S bout how to fix my permobile m300 could u help me please 🙏
what do i do if the seat isn't flat? can it be jumped to get the seat flat or to raise it up?
if the chair is tilted back a little bit, ya should be able to get the front cover removed to at least access the front battery. it IS possible to remove the back cover with the seat in the down position, but it takes a bit of work, and some time to avoid breaking the plastics..
@@TotallyNormal- i have both front & back covers removed, where do i go from here? thanks
The lift on my I level keeps slowly going down and won't stay up... any suggestions bro?
might be time for a trip to the dealer! i haven't personally messed with the iLevel stuff.. but sounds like ya got a few worn out / broken parts..
@@TotallyNormal- sucks it's not even that old... I think it's the hydraulics. Luckily they come to me...
Now, 4:29 how did do that if you’re stuck high up, and you need to get out! Aha!
Please ignore this comment, forgot I said something like it several months ago! LOL
How can you lower it back down? I own a F5 and the controls messed up and I used it to rise up and we’re trying to manually lower the chair so I don’t drive it really high up
on the F5 chairs its totally different.. and honestly ive never gotten it to work properly. its super complicated, and throws the actuators out of calibration! whats going on with it? have ya tried via the seating buttons, and the joystick to make it lower back down?
@@TotallyNormal- about a week and a half ago I rose up to get my medication and as I was lowering down it stopped so I thought oh ok I might have accidentally just let go and when I did it again it wouldn’t lower. It show an error which is coded ICS Tilt Error 20AA. I was trying to re-calibrate it but either it’s not working or we’re not doing it correctly. A mechanic from Numotion where I got the chair through came and looked at it. I was asleep when he looked at it and said he could not do it. He then came back the next day to try to manually lower it down but he wasn’t even here 10 minutes. I again was asleep so I don’t know if he attempted to or just fiddled around and pretended not to. I’m supposed to be going out of town in about a couple of day and we’re trying to do it before then so I won’t be a hazard of any sort
And another question, could dust be a problem for why it’s doing that?
i looked up the error code - it indicates that something came unplugged! - sometimes wires can get caught on something and get damaged - or could just be a loose connection - send me a DM on twitter, or an email and i can send ya some photos of things to check. there is one spot that dust and dirt on electrical connections can sometime cause the issue... ive updated the video description with contact info :^)
How do you jump it??
just connected a jump box to one of the batteries, then plug in the chair charger.. after about 30-60 seconds un-hook the jump box.. if the batteries are salvageable, they'll start charging!
Then you twist the Allen key and it won't go back into its storage slot.
What is your every day favourite power chair?
hmmmm thats a tough one... for outdoor use.. probably the bounder... for indoor use.. my OLD AmySystems chair was pretty awesome (doesn't fit me anymore - and the stopped making my model) but currently there isn't really a "favorite" for indoor use. i have a suspicion that the Quantum 4 Front may be on the short list soon... but we shall see! (just started process of getting a new chair)
@@TotallyNormal- My too that's why I'm asking you as you are well up on power chairs. I currently have the Extreme X8. Had it for 12 years now. Amazing chair but I need something smaller to get around town, shopping, etc. don't mind what I pay as it will last. I also live in the UK so can't really get a Bounder. Any advice would be great. Got to be strong and travel a good distance. Not bothers about speed and tilt seat system. Quantum 4 Front, QUICKIE Q500 look nice.
SOS SOS I HAVE M300 showing joystick error 0E300
hmm not seeing that code listed.. is there any accompanying text with the error?