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Why a tripod is better than a camera operator
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- čas přidán 13. 08. 2024
- Why I prefer to film with a tripod vs. having a camera operator:
* I can take my time to make a video (no pressure)
* I can speed up video without it looking shaky
* I can make a lot of jump cuts that aren't obvious
But using a tripod has its downsides:
* takes time to set up
* sometimes I end up out of frame without noticing
* Less "professional", but I don't really want that anyway
This is so true. Whenever I've had someone film me, it's very difficult to hint at where I want the camera to point. For DIY/how-to videos, cinematography isn't important at all to viewers. A clear close-up is better.
I'm thinking the same, but I can also imagine a camera operator would occasionally be good for entertainment purposes, like when John Heisz and Matthias used to visit each other and have some fun with the camera :D
#TripodsArePeopleToo
I think my tripod needs a DRO... wait, I think I'm commenting on the wrong video.
Didnt you want to release drawings for a good camera tripod?
I also identify as a tripod
those 3 legged bastards from war of the world? #MartianWarMachinesAreNotPeople
Tripod lives matter! Like three times as much, or at least a third more depending on how you do the math.
It's entirely possible to make a professional looking video without a camera operator. Good sound, narration and, most importantly, editing is all you need. As an example: Frank howarth's videos.
Bob from ILTMS does a great job mixing tripods and operator. He also uses his operator as a helper, so I think you can have that going on too. Jimmy Diresta holds the camera with his teeth sometimes, so whatever floats your boat, I guess?
Agree 100%. It does help a lot if the "tripod" is easy to move around and set up.
Jeremy Schmidt Good to hear Jeremy.....I still have your concrete “wheelie” tripod on my “to-do” list.....after your belt grinder....and after Pask Makes gas forge......you get the picture....
Not to mention that camera operators are there to cover up that the host has no idea what they’re doing!
That isn't a factor I even considered! :)
What's cool with Dan and previously with Eric is that they're actually part of your videos, you don't act as if you were alone. They really ad their own touch and the jokes between you is something I like a lot !
Man you're having way too much fun these days.
I think you are right there. The camera operation isnt the major problem that needs solving. Mine is the editing, that i just dont have time for anymore.
but getting someone else to do the editing has major downsides too. That will be a future topic.
Tripod never bordered me to go on a coffee break.
No smoke break or calling out sick either! Haha!
I got rid of my tripod and built a single pole on wheels with a 1m long adjustable arm. Takes up less floor space which is nice. The long arm also means that the tripod can be further away from me. The arm also allows overhead shots. And with a single pole it is much easier to hight adjust since I can simply slide it up and down instead of having to do it on three legs. To adjust the legs you often have to lift it up or even turn it upside down. I found that I constantly shoot work from high up or from workbench hight, so there is a lot of change. Pictures: instagram.com/p/Bdq5amhgc03/?
I guess that's another option. I like your Y-shaped dolly. I imagine that gets less in the way than a concrete bucket on wheels. I lean the tripod over the workbench from time to time for overhead shots.
An idea for keeping work in frame, ...laser dots on the corner of field of view, they you try to keep within that zone.
Put your tripod on a dolly platform do it can follow you around or you direct it's movement?
GoPro on a headband for specific zoom in view always available, saves having to reset every scene?
I was waiting for the tape measure to drop into your hand, towards the end.
I always enjoy your videos, Keep up the Great work.
Thanks for summing up in the description. You saved me 5 minutes :)
:(
Totally agree! It's impossible for these kind of videos to have a camera man. And I also agree that it would be really bad for us who actually make the videos ourselves!
Whoa! I share the exact same problems, but I have a fairly good solution... for some shots:
I converted an old _bike helmet_ in a POV mount for my (phone) camera and it's quite useful. I bent a single piece of flat bar and bolted it to the front/top of the helmet, so it basically bends forward in front of my nose, and holds my camera in front of my face.
It's quite comfortable What's nice is that a having 1 piece of flat bar, is that it barely obstructs my vision, the same way that if you place a finger in (vertically) close in front of your nose, it doesn't interfere with your vision!
Me: 1
John: 0
:)
would have been funny if Matthias got a camera operator just for this video
*mathias
At the end of the day we are all here to see Wooden Bandsaws, or Pantorouters, or indexable jig’s or better mouse traps, or who give a damn.....it’s the content. I bet you that every high ranking video you ever made which had a great idea nobody ever commented on your video editing........That’s why we come back Mathias.......stay clever....stay inventive and original.
Great points! I like using a clamp on an adjustable base as anything can become a tripod and it's easy to hold as well.
Lately I use the WiFi direct option of my camera to preview the shot on my phone while filming closeups. So I can check if everything is in the shot. It still happens tho, that I forget to start recording. :)
The solution to accidentally shooting out of frame is to shoot wide with 4k and then crop in post. However, this requires shooting in 4k which has its own downsides and additional video editing.
Adding a screen to the setup could be an idea as well, many CZcamsrs do that. Compared to a camera operator, the investment isn't that big
you hit the issues spot on
Matthias you are a standard for quality ! you even edit "talking head" to make it enjoyable to watch.
The thing I HAAAATEEEE is CZcamsrs who start off looking at the camera, and then it cuts to a second camera that's off axis and the presenter is still looking at the first camera. I guess it proves that they have more than one camera - like I care. Whenever this happens I always wave at the TV and say, "Hey! I'm over here!" If you're talking to me, how about looking at me?
I agree, its obnoxious, and It's not just CZcamsrs doing it.
I can't stand it too. If you're talking, you're talking to me, so look at me! If you need to cut a part out, crop in!
Linus tech tips is a very good example of what you are talking about. As they got more camera operators and bought $40k+ RED cameras to film in 8k as well as expensive gimbals the quality of their shots has dramatically decreased. Almost every video looks like it was shot with a hand held camera, yet you get glimpses of their camera guy wearing a backpack supported crane holding a gimbal and RED camera. They aren't even using the 8k shots to stabilize in post. While yes LTTs thing is about being sloppy, its so bad that when they did speed up a shot a few weeks ago it looked like the camera was violently vibrating. They don't even do completely stationary shots on tripods anymore and it shows badly.
Retanaru
I hate everything about that channel.
@@davelowe1977 A group of people that think tech is the solution to a problem they haven't encountered yet. It's funny how they can have so much money thrown around and do so much wrong.
I agree with you quite a bit. The new cameras have directly corrected to a decrease in their image and creative quality. Btw they spent $250k on the full gear and equipment needed to kit everything.
Matthias. The Les Stroud of wood working haha
I know a guy who holds a camera in his mouth. Can you believe that. ;)
Seen adverts for those auto-follow/tracking devices. They look interesting, but are probably limited. Same issues with speed ups maybe.
OMG how productive Matthias you have been :) Nice
New project for you: Create a laser frame marker from some hand held laser pointers from the dollar store. It would mount on the camera or tripod and point the lasers at the four corners of the shot. You could add some gears and linkages to tilt them in and out to adjust the corners after zooming. You could also mount the lasers on little wheels that spin to make a solid line on all four sides instead of just a dot at the corner.
I LOVE THIS CONTENT. Thank you and do not stop!
In regards to moving off camera, you may benefit from having a tripod mounted gimbal that follows your movement.
If it can follow your hands, it would cut down on missed shots.
and cause a lot of unnecessary camera movement. The hands aren't supposed to always be in the middle of the shot.
@@HeiszWandelproject
That's a good point.
you know how to capture the things what's on your mind without translation and delay better than anybody else
Accurate and enjoyable observations. Helpful for those of us who venture into this YT world.
Totally agree!
2:31 - seamless! you should get a job in Hollywood North :)
The only time I've considered a camera operator is for adding commentary, explaining it to the camera holder/viewer made more sense than explaining it to someone who isn't there. I think getting used to listening to my own voice is probably a bigger barrier.
I could use an assistant to tell me when the camera has decided to stop recording after a few seconds even though the battery is full and the memory card isn't.
You rarely move out of frame or block the shot with your shoulder. But I've often wondered when that happens: don't you place some masking tape or some such just out of frame, so that you know where the limits of the action are?
Computerphile should watch this each morning before filming...
Matthias, I love your videos. I appreciate they aren’t like TV. Who watches TV these days anyways? Keep up the good work bro.
Having someone else around, you also feel obliged to give them something to do, to engage them, however unnecessary. It's a very civil service problem.
yes, though that can be fun.
If I were Matthias's camera operator, he wouldn't have to feel obliged to give me anything to do because I'd stand there with the camera waiting with great anticipation, and with infinite patience, for his next instruction regardless how long it took to complete the project. The honor to be his camera operator would be tremendous--he wouldn't have to pay me a single dime.
Matthias. you are doing a great job, and a wonderful educational service
to wood workers world wide. Please do not change one aspect of your presentation, as the change will be too distracting.
I dunno, I figured you first climbed on the table and fastened a rope to the ceiling and had the tape measure already hanging there just waiting for your hand to exit the frame... ;-)
💯 percent agree
I agree
You could use a hand held effect to fake an operator if needed
Your Shop is your walk of fame... !
It is a Video, not a movie . We like it !
Deine Fans !
Camera operators are the reason for Directors!
I was trying to wipe a smudge off my screen for, like, two minutes before I realized it was actually a scuff on Matthias' wall.
Can you put a laser level on the tripod, so the laser reflection on the wall will let you know the camera's field of view?
Well said.
I think you need to make a proper robotic dolly for the camera tripod. Powered by wooden gears, of course, and on a wooden track
I like you just the way you are
don't mix lighting. pick daylight, or incandescent. both together look really bad. thought i'd mention considering you're giving shooting advice. with mixed colour temperature lighting.
It's just a quick video, shot from his office which I suppose he's been too busy to finish setting up completely...
Yonatan24 But we’re entertaining the basics of video production. The room isn’t setup for filming or recording audio. As kpopRC mentioned the lighting looks really bad. But is it ‘worth’ it for him to make a set for filming these quick videos with better lights and audio? Probably not.
it is what it is. In your home, you have mixed colour lighting all the time. Sometimes it's a problem, sometimes its not.
it's only an issue if the cameras white balance is off
@@natalieisagirlnow absolutely not. Mixed colours can't be fixed with white ballance. any professional colour correction artist will tell you that. Just close the blinds. or turn off the light. and balance for what light you pick.
I've always wondered if there isn't some system where the camera would just follow a given thing, like a face or an object you could hold etc. Maybe a finger ring for following hand working shots. I'm surprised it doesn't exist. Maybe you could invent that, Matthias!
Yes Matthias
Can you share with us what video editing software r u using?
With a little thought I'll bet Matthias could come up with the ultimate CZcamsr Tripod ( made of wood of course) ... I smell a project in the offing
Tripods eat less and they show up on time, too
My nickname is Tripod, can I be your camera man?
Best solution: a robotcameraoperator!
For the videos I make, I think using no camera is best
Very on the mark with these comments
Camera operators further the stereotype that someone has a camera operator so their content must be "really good" when in fact they're just repackaging someone else's idea into a fancy wrapper.
I was waiting for the measuring tape to come back down and hit you on the head at the very end of the video
"through the magic of TV"
I think it sounds like you need a person to man the tripod that’d be best of both
I'd actually like to have a camera man for a few shots. there are times when I get in the way of the action and I have to try and do it again. Having someone who is able to see whats happening can come in handy. But my friends are dumb-asses and can't or won't follow basic directions. They wanted to work on my other channel with me, but it took them 3 hours to shoot a 45 second monologue because they just wouldn't listen.
that's quite the fringe you have there
I actually like the video style of Matthias' videos. Very similar to DiResta as well, which I also find enjoyable over a camera operator. I mean, I enjoy Picciuto's videos too, but they're a very different style -- more focused on him rather than the work.
Annnnnd you need to get yourself a few workshop helpers for all your projects. I like what Jimmy does in that he only has bret but obviously he does a lot of batch work for items since he's bascially doing manufacturing production runs and also makes some big stuff so having a second person is very handy to have around and very worthwhile. I see april has a helper and a part time shop hand now on the go. what the hell does she actually make in her mini aircraft hanger?!
it seems here most successful projects are the big outdoor ones. But she had surgery recently, so she shouldn't lift heavy stuff, so the helper makes sense.
Haha! “Other times when I do do.”
The first time I saw a DIY CZcamsr use a camera operator regularly I found it distracting. I got used to it (the camera operator may have also gotten better), and now I don’t mind. As a viewer the ultimate result matters much more to me than the process. Very often static shots are fully effective. I like the level of detail you get into, if you had a production team it would be a different dynamic.
Having a camera operator can save some CZcamsrs time since they don’t have to compose every shot. I think it just depends upon their style and how they like to work, as well as their production budget.
OK, I will just have to take your word for it............... :)
Tokyo Story is sometimes listed as the best film of all time, and it uses almost entirely tripod shots.
Use a tripod all the time. Have had a camera operator in a few videos. And if there is a good operator you don't notice that there is a camera operator. Have an amazing week, Andreas from Off Grid Sweden 🇸🇪
I think maybe it depends on the quality of your camera operator ;)
As a youtuber can you see which subs have watched the most videos? Or who has watched the longest overall of your channel? I'd be interested to see how much time I've spent watching lol
There's a lot of stats I can see, but no per-user stats. Its hard for me to even find if you are subscribed because I'd have to scroll thru a list of a million on my main channel
@@HeiszWandelproject ah I see, probably for the best lol. Hope all is well man.
If you want it done right, do it yourself.
Helmet cam!
Yup, that's what I did!
A bad camera operator ruins a shot, someone who thinks they are a good camera operator, also ruins it as they spend too much time faffing about trying to be artistic. A really good camera operator takes fabulous shots, but work better with a director, sound guy, continuity... etc. Tripods tend to just do what they are told. :)
When you need both hands, mount a GoPro to your head, or, quick and dirty: Tape it to your shoulder.
Take that Bob Clagett!
If the camera operator uses a cane, can he be considered as a tripod ?
You mean to tell me, that you are going to PASS on this perfect oportunity to over engineer what otherwise could have been a simple and elegant motion controll camera crane? I think the tendonitis has metastasized to your brain my friend...
It's funny how a good actor appears to be talking to the viewers, directly. You're pretty much on the verge of busting a gut the whole video. But you're actually all alone in a room with a tripod and a camera. I think some folks need to have someone watching in order to actually act like someone is watching. Holding or operating a camera is maybe just the best excuse, rather than paying someone to watch you film yourself. :)
Hello Matthias
build a tracking device for your tripod ... you can use lego ... that would be fun!
So, different types of videography need different kinds of videography. Stop with click bait, you are better than that.
jup
You should have had someone else film this, hahaha
A s proof of concept?... Have the filmer trip over things and yell out "cut" as if they are directing. Haha!
yeah... Heisz and complaining the entire time!
Hi, Matthias
Deeeeeecent
I don't know any woodworker on YT who has a camera operator. So I think that's just a theoretical consideration.
Bob clagett and David Picciuto
@@Yonatan24 April Wilkerson too.
@@Yonatan24 I never noticed it before. I will pay attention to it next time.
@Instantsiv, April has done a few shots with an operator. But I've talked to her about this and she said that, by far, most of her shooting is done on a tripod with a shotgun mic.
I always thought Chuck did a great job for David Picciuto.
HaslamCorp he made me dizzy
I personally prefer watching a video where the camera is still. The whole camera operator thing feels too much like a TV show. It also makes things feel .... rushed? Another of my pet hates is when people feel the need to have a million lights. It's a workshop, not a celebrity photo shoot! ... I really do think people try too hard. Keep it simple. Keep it real. Don't make it a TV show.
I agree. It's hard to watch ILTMS' videos sometimes with all of the camera movement, especially since I watch them sometimes at 2.5x speed...
I just keep my finger on the cursor right key and keep tapping that. If something catches my attention, I can always hit cursor left to re-watch that bit. This is especially true for Diresta videos.
@@HeiszWandelproject Exactly, I don't need to watch a 22min video on a subject I'm not that interested in, I watch the first couple seconds and when the intro comes on I skip to the end to see the result. I can always go back and watch the whole video if I'm curious about something specifically.
That's what I don't like about creators being incentivised to create longer videos, I do my best to keep mine as short and to the point as possible...
All of this reminds me why video sucks. Glad you all do it but ... F that nonsense.