Netflix's Drive to Survive & Formula 1, Madame Web Movie Flop & "Romantasy The Biggest Book Genre"
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- Richard reveals some juicy details about his forthcoming new book but before then he and Marina delve into the world of 'romantasy', the genre which is taking up space on bookshelves at great pace. Plus a dissection of Dakota Johnson's Madame Web press tour, the return of Formula 1's Drive To Survive and which Gladiator Richard would have on House of Games.
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CZcams suggested you 3 days ago. I am more of a podcast person so that's where I will listen to you from now on. Just wanted to let you know that I absolutely love your show. The mixture between talking and answering questions is brilliant. I've listened to at least 10 episodes in these last 3 days.
One of the best podcasts! Thumbs up!
It's basically a podcast where you can see their lips moving.
Note to sound mixer.... make sure the levels of both microphones in a conversation are about the same level!
Could be the video edit...
Rich is right on the mic and she's a foot away.
@@AVisualHistory The desk has faders. But I'm betting Richard directed the levels to make him louder.
They made him twice the size as well... sort it out!
Her mic needs to be closer to her mouth
The CZcams algorithm brought me here. As an F1 fan since the mid-90s I must say the take on F1 from DTS is not entirely correct and has many holes in it. F1 started in the 50s and yes you couldn’t see the drivers faces behind a helmet and speeding around the track. However, onboard cameras for F1 cars were introduced in the 70s, with the first (onboard camera that showed drivers faces) used in 1985. So, for almost 40 years F1 fans could see the “white in their eyes”, the nuances in a drivers facial expressions.
DTS never made these drivers characters, those of us watching F1 already knew these drivers were incredible characters (i.e. Kimi, Alonso etc…) and saw that week in week out. Listening to the driver messages, interviews and seeing the onboard video/images. DTS simply amplified and popularised F1 to a mainstream audience (those casual fans). You can certainly say DTS made a few people on the show personalities (i.e. Guenther Steiner), but he was a real character in and around the F1 paddock already.
Also, to claim that before DTS there were “relatively few races”, is just a poor characterisation. In 2018/2019 F1 had 21 races, it’s now 24. So since DTS they’ve added just 3 race tracks (Qatar, Miami and Vegas), attempting to grow the USA audience from the show.
The one thing they got completely correct is that DTS is certainly for people who don’t know F1 or the results. Many F1 fans like myself found DTS to be a total farce. It simply prioritised drama and sensationalism over accurately depicting the sport. They exaggerated rivalries, race results, commentary and invented conflicts all for entertainment purposes. Now we have a number of new fans who want the sport to be like the show. That’s what’s disappointing.
F1 is incredible, it can change but it must stay true to the sport. Apologies for the rant, if you’ve read the whole thing, well done.
The sound in this episode was Terible. Must be the fact that Richard was basicallly tasting his microphone while Marina was sat like a metre away from hers.
Drive to Survive isn't for the diehard F1 fans, it's for the casual viewers. I would liken it more to WWE. It's sports based entertainment.
Over the last 10 years, the inner workings of the industry has become more interesting than what you see in front of the camera.
That’s kinda what they said, no?
I think Stewart Lee described Game Of Thrones as 'Peter Stringfellow's Lord Of The Rings'.
Amazing
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I like the idea that Classical Greek Theatre started with the chorus warning, "Spoilers Ahead".
What a fabulous long episode !
Look forward to your postings every week
DTS is an interesting one for me. I'd suggest it has defintiely increased awareness & interest in F1 as a whole and brought in a lot of new viewers and helped the new american owners improve the product offering for future success...BUT...I think it DTS + the new owners taking a new direction has deminished enjoyment for a lot of previous fans due to the increased fakery, pagentry and showmanship of it all rather than pure racing. I understand the need to adapt and grow to keep it alive and I guess this is the direction they believe is most sustainable to do so
I agree and add the thing that's probably most annoying to me is the online discourse has gone mental and it is near impossible to avoid nonsense arguments without missing the positives of it. and lets not mention.... r/formula dank
I started watching in the late 90s as a kid and looking back on it, I think a big draw for me was that the drivers were enigmatic and you didn't know what was truly going on behind the scenes. My favourite driver was Mika Hakkinen who was famous for one word "yes" answers to convoluted and bloated questioning from the press. I loved that! I don't need to know what a driver had for breakfast or how many times he walks his dog a week.
There's an amazing episode of 'Barry' where a character is doing a press tour for her show about surviving and abusive relationship and she's all prepared to talk about the issues of the show but the all the interviewers aren't interested in having that conversation and she just falls apart trying to answer them.
Barry was such a good show.
Not sure if levels are off but marina is quieter and harder to hear than Richard.
The levels are definitely off.
I noticed that as well. It was quite frustrating. Might have helped if Marina's mic was closer (like Richard's was).
I think her microphone simply didn't work and Richards is the only one we hear.
I call that a bonus
@@rmccaw7No need for a comment like that.
As a TV sport F1 seems to have gone off the boil a bit but as a live event it's never been more popular, people are definitely looking for the experience rather than passively sitting at home.
"Intercontinental ballistic blandness" made me CACKLE.
from quiet to loud in this video it goes - Marina, Richard, theme tune.
apart from that, great discussion as usual thank you :)
Olivia Wilde wasn't served _divorce_ papers onstage, she was served _custody_ papers.
Many months if not years before we get an F1 race in Germany again unfortunately.
Love this podcast. Keep it up!
This 44 min flew by! Keep it up!
Pleeeeeaase bring back International King of Sports. Incredible show. I loved the madness but brilliance of it all
Hey Richard - plenty of mid-tier Wrestlers would love to do house of games too - look for ones based in GB and go from there. ICW is Glasgow based and can probably put you in touch with some top talent that people might recognise. Rockstar Spud, Jack Jester, Grado so many amazing people just waiting to smash answers instead of people
as an English NASCAR fan, the Full Speed documentary series has been huge, I was seeing so many F1 or other motorsport fans asking how they could watch the first couple races of the year
the answer was usually unsatisfying because it was ViaPlay, a channel no one has, but that’s a whole other issue
What im saying might seem like madness, but, for me, i think if they had cameras literally in the car that you could switch to watching from the standard all car views, that would be quite exciting. Imagine being able to watch your favourite driver and then as they go for overtakes you switch right to them. That'd be quite cool.
Long time F1 fan, very recent football fan. What Drive to Survive offers, and why I believe its successful, aside from it being made well and beautifully shot, is that it told people the stories before they had to watch a new F1 season. Trying to get into football was so hard because I didn't know what teams are meant to do well, who has rivalries, how teams have done in previous years, who played for who and where they play now, its all part of the story that makes 22 people kicking a ball around exciting. Same reason I could never imagine starting to watch soap operas now because they are always halfway through a story so its intimidating to try and get started. Drive to Survive allowed people kind of into F1 to know the stories, the rivalries, who drove for what team and managed them and all else, so they can now enjoy the sport itself
Before drive to survive, all the ingredients for a proper soap style drama of the sport were there, but as a fan you would have to follow all the drivers, listen to all the pre race and post race statements, which would take hours for each team, and then listen to podcasts or read sports columns on top of all that to see the sport through the lens of other fans. Now Netflix has done it all for you in an elegant package of 9 or so episodes. The closest thing that exists in football are things like the Sunderland doc, the Amazon prime docs, but they're only one team for one season.
Gladiator's for House of Games based on the personalities they show would be good to have Fury, Legend, Sabre and Nitro if I was to pick four people who seem to have strong personalities
This is why Welcome to Wrexham has been such a huge success. I hate football, but I love Welcome to Wrexham because it has humanity at its heart, a good dollop of drama, and I was genuinely cheering them on!
Dakota Johnson about Madame Web:
"It is in the Marvel Universe and it also stars Sydney Sweeney. So, it's kind of like if A.I. generated your boyfriend's perfect movie."
That's funny.
And I agree. Superherol movies does feel like their stories are generated by AI algorithm.
Amazing that they are discussing all the programmes I simply can't watch. I have no interest in "personalities". As soon as I see the word celebrity I know they will be dull people I have never heard of. I used to be an F1 fan, but that died for me years ago. And all sports people are entirely devoid of personality.
At the risk of causing Richard discomfort by suggesting change but I like this studio for the normal pod and the other one for the Questions and Answers, the other one feels oddly more suited
The product placement in Madame Web that stood out to me was when Dakota’s character goes to a BBQ and awkwardly hold a Pepsi can, prominently in the center of frame, while never taking a single sip
"Bismark setting fire to the curtains" got me good, hahaha!
The biggest aspect of these podcasts - particularly this episode, is how unmercifully manipulated we all are 24/7 by every facet of the media. It shapes your inner self to not trust anything at face value and constantly ask yourself the question - what's the motivation of the creator of what your being confronted with and am I being taken for a mug?
How these two manage to work within that world and not get messed up with what's real/what's fake must be incredibly hard. How do you not come to regard everything with a massive dose of mistrust or cynicism?
Just watched Madame Web. I enjoyed it. 50yr old male. Not 100% CGI like Modern Marvel movies.
Can understand why FanBOIS did not like it. It's got......Gulp, Girls in it.
Nothing to do with girls. It’s just shit
In the 1970s plenty of Grand Prix were held in non democracies. apartheid South Africa, Franco's fascist Spain, during military/fascist dictatorships in Brazil and Argentina. I'd always heard that breakeven on a movie is 3 times the production budget - because studios put twice the cost of making the film into promoting it.
40:00 Yeah I am sure Jason Sudekis planned for them to be served at this very moment she was on stage... and it wouldnt surprise me if she didnt get served before she went on stage and brought them out for a publicity stunt.
Richard referencing rugby league correctly has put him even higher in my estimations
"Not bad, can't complain "... the English version of feeling great. The tier above "mustn't grumble".
Marina unintentionally name dropping an place from World of Warcraft 🤣
She is so obviously secretly a lvl 60 Night elf hunter
Very harsh on Ted Lasso, she cheated on him for years. Think it's quite sexist actually the way that was discussed. Just assumed he was the bad guy. If a woman had service divorce papers to man that had shamelessly and publicly cheated on them they would be cheered on and no thought for the man would be given. However in the context of Olivia and Jason, he is the villain of that story
Always love the show. I have a question about why the writer gets more money for hardback books and not soft back books. seems odd. I could probably google it.
Wow, is F1 still happening? I can’t wait to hear which Max Verstappen wins this year.
Netflix cover NASCAR too. That was an interesting watch also.
It's a bit like when Grandstand used to have "It's a knockout" before the FA cup final
first time watcher. this show is fantastic!
Before drive to survive, all the ingredients for a proper soap style drama of the sport were there, but as a fan you would have to follow all the drivers, listen to all the pre race and post race statements, which would take hours for each team, and then listen to podcasts or read sports columns on top of all that to see the sport through the lens of other fans. Now Netflix has done it all for you in an elegant package of 9 or so episodes. The closest thing that exists in football are things like the Sunderland doc, the Amazon prime docs, but they're only one team for one season. There's 20 teams, each with huge squads full of players from around the world with their own stories as well as back room staff. I don't think drive to survive style would work on a scale of premiere league there's so much to unpack every weekend.
Last chance u on netflix was brilliant, season 1 at least
Question for the show...is star power a thing nowdays for me i have never watched a film or show because a celeb was in it
Very subjective thing tbh. I'm generally the same, however, I make exceptions for things involving Olivia Coleman, Oscar Issac, Alex Garland (writer of 28 days later) and more recently Ayo Edeiri of The Bear and Bottoms fame. In the case of sports, it's certainly the case of the individual being larger than the team, think LeBron James or Leo Messi.
@jonnynolan I have heard people say it was more of a thing years ago in the 80s and 90s before information was at everyone's finger tips with the Internet
Without listening to the podcast and just replying to the header.
No it didn't, as the fan base around the world was perfectly strong enough. What Drive to survive did was bring it to a new audience, especially in the US
I stopped watching F1 as it started getting popular from Drive to Survive, which is ironic, but it was fun to watch it for a few seasons and the racing is shot really well
The old studio is now a new studio so now I want the old new studio back
How long before the soapification of sport leads to outcomes being fixed? Before everything turns into wrestling?
I think that’s not likely to happen because part of the appeal of sports based entertainment is that the stakes are real.
Your on Spotify how come your not in video form on there ? Like other podcasts
Sports fans watch sport for the results and the action on the day. Non sports fans - women and young people - watch sport for the narrative and the characters. My wife doesn’t watch much sport but she will watch my football team play live or she’s heard some narrative about the rivalry between the teams or the coaches. It’s the reason tv companies love Mourinho and Klopp and Djokovic etc. forget the press conferences etc sports fans will watch their games anyway but they create their own narratives and that’s what draws in the big numbers on non-sports fans.
do either of you watch Hot Ones at all?
Not sure how the podcast mix is but the sound here is off. Marina’s voice is too low in the mix and Richard’s is too high. Very disconcerting!
I think it’s because Marina is sitting so far away from the mic 🥵
I despise hardback novels - in particular the way that they are the only option for a few months after a book's release... Isn't it true that hardbacks aren't such a big thing outside the UK - or that they atleast are released at the same time as the paperback?
Marinas microphone is turned down a little too far in this episode.
Is it working at all? It sounds like Richards microphone is the only one recording.
Are you up for a do-over? Just say everything you just said once more, and try to make it sound organic.
Edit: Is it "Marinas microphone" or "Marina's microphone"?
Can someone turn on Maria's mic, or ask her to speak into it.
Is Outlander the first romantasy book????
With Celebrity Big Brother coming back to TV I’d love to hear both their takes on it.
Do shows like this do better with “Z listers” as opposed to big names? Do they get treated the same as the civilians? Is it the show that ITV really wanted when it bought the civilian series?
The civilian series was a smash hit for ITV2.
Why is there nothing on King of Sports, sounds like a blast to watch?
Sony have a goldmine at their fingertips, they really could be making decent movies with their live-action Spider-Man IP, and yet are failing in every way. Look out for Venom 3 and Kraven the Hunter to collapse into failure as well. It's tragic. Their animated output is going gangbusters, though.
You need to change the name of this to ‘Mummy and Daddy Entertainment’.
I was sure Richard was about to say his new book will be a romantasy
Super - Funky - Dory - Delicious, ‘e’ cogitating insight fest. Err, Mmm, UWw, having not had a TV for 10 + years. I’ve been looking after ‘me’ old lovely adorable dementia mum… My silly son-time observation! TV, is a female landscape. Call the midwife, news/weather presenters, all things everything for the female pallet. My brother married 30 years retires to youtube after the chores & being an ear, whilst Sue his spouse watches TV. Love, Love, Love you adorable Entertainment Rest. - Bite, love junkies. Xx
youtube: 'Madame Web Pitch Meeting.'
I (woman) used to love M&M romance novels. All the romance compartments with straight talking among friends, but with equal level lovemaking elements. Now it is mostly alien/faerie, sub/dom or woman/man type sh*t. Such a shame.
Nothing more riveting than podcasters talking about which studio they are in 🤣
I'm not surprised Madame Web tanked. It looked terrible from the trailer. I know people love them, but I can't stand Marvel/superhero movies anymore. Give me movies like One Life, Poor Things, The Holdovers, and The Zone of Interest any day over the same garbage made again and again full of CGI and atrocious dialogue. Not to mention the endless remakes that keep getting churned out... often with changes to be "less problematic" shall we say (the new Snow White for example). Also, American Fiction looks great and I can't wait to watch it tomorrow!
I suspect if you actually had a discussion with Gaga or Robert Pattison about this stuff there would be at least a bit more substance to what they may or may not have said and why. I've only just come across this podcast but im never a fan of anacdotal declarations about other people. In all honesty this sounds exactly like the kind of celebrity gossip pap that an OK magazine or Hello magazine would be doing. Like a caricature of people. The Tom Cruise thing also, i mean, im far happier to see what Tom Cruise is actually like, good and bad, than have someone who makes it their purpose to put across a fake veneer of who the man is 🤷♂️. To be clear, im not someone who idolises celebrity, or celebrity bashing, but i don't like superficial conversations about things either. Regarding the context conversation. You can take something out of context and it still puts across the point the person was making accurately and you can take something out of context and make it mean something completely different or very much slanted. Her point about anything can be out of context really comes across as a disingenuous statement that ignores the reality of why someone might say "that's out of context". I'm surprised Richard nods away at that kind of comment as if wisdom is being spoken 🤷♂️.
Do not dare associate the term Spider-verse with Madame Web (2024). Into The Spider-verse and Across The Spider-verse are animated masterpieces, criminally undercelebrated, pulled the character out of franchise fatigue and reconnected him to the artistry of his comic book heritage. Don't even put this phoned-in garbage of Madame Web (2024) in the same category.
Unfortunately gladiator legend is a CZcamsr called Matt does fitness 😢 by choice I’d have them never break character too 😂
There are many different levels of smut in romantasy, you can get more closed door to borderline erotica, I don’t think you should just class the whole category as porn.
Also Ninth Rain has been redound, it’s finally getting an American release thanks to a push on social media, it’s an amazing genre bending series but it’s not romantasy
Drive to Survive is the Coronation Street of F1. It’s very contrived and uses out of context quotes and creates controversy where there is none. I’ve been watching F1 since 1979 and I only managed to watch season one of DTS before going back to proper F1 journalism. It’s greatly increased the popularity of the sport though. Demand for Grand Prix tickets has skyrocketed. My usual Silverstone seats have gone from £325 to £900 since it came on the scene. Basically they can now charge what they like and the less affluent can no longer afford to go.
Interesting, I'm an F1 fan since 1983. I've zero interest in watching Drive To Survive and I think the sport isn't as good as it used to be with the extra races, sprint races and lack of teams (and Red Bull having 2 teams is nonsense) compared to back when there were 26 cars in every race.
Madame Web from that Movie firm that Hyde says has no issues and all the criticism about "wokery" is just noise........
Horner, a controlling person? What a surprise. He is openly bullying.
Never mind Richard, if you aren't intelligent for three fifths of a second, she loses interest. It's not your fault, just get an "Emergency Podcast" in and speak very fast. This is my new favourite podcast. The battle of the synapses. Bismark? Maybe there's a reason.
No F1 wasn't saved by Drive to Survive it just drove it to a new level of succes
Since the takeover by the americans, one could argue that Drive to Survive is actually a part of what's seen as the erosion of the sport as many of the long time fans see it. Things like sprint weekends are awkward and forced and don't "feel" like F1 but it's here to stay to placate fans who get bored for the traditional longer Gran Prix and make more money in the process of course.
@@mattblack6736 I would agree with that view as a long term fan (been watching for near 20 years now). F1 has moved away from being a racing series and continues to alienatd it core fan whic imho will harm it in the long term.
I feel very strongly that you two, and the content on this channel, is very much above the ugly clickbait thumbnail trend. I understand the considerations, and the algorithm, etcetera, but personally speaking: There's a very significant chance I would have never clicked on one of your videos if it weren't for the 'Clickbait Remover' Chrome extension I use (that removes all thumbnails and grabs a frame from somewhere in the middle of videos instead, strongly recommended), and I have a feeling that there might be many others like me out there that are currently missing your channel because the thumbnails make it look like generic, trashy, reposted clickbait videos.
A long term F1 fan, 5 decades. Cancelled subscription day after Abu Dhabi 2021. Stopped watching highlights completely end of 2022. Never supported specific team or drivers just liked the cars, strategies and racing. From my perspective DTS or probably more accurately Liberty Media have destroyed F1. It’s now about entertainment and money. Too many street circuits. Totally over the top US style presentation.
I stopped when the races got split between all the channels - and I’ve not missed having my Sundays back!
F1 may have been "saved" by Drive To Survive, but it's also been completely ruined - to the point that race results have been affected.
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I absolutely loath hardback books. They are just horrible to handle, they aren’t made well, they cost a fortune and you can’t shove it into your back pocket to read on the tube.
… but they do look better on a bookshelf.
@@Skiddins a well thumb paperback book is much better for virtue signaling than having a row of neat hardbacks.
I do like them, but the price increase is just not worth it. I'm reading most books once. After that it's of to a second hand shop. There is no point in spending more then.
Nah, you can't beat a case bound and embossed book, but, i use a kindle. Too many books to read, who has the space
@@daftgowk1 Yes!!! I wish I had a huge book room or even half of one. I can't fit all my books and I have no idea how others do it. Because everytime I see someone with multiple books cases they're already full as well!
But then again, it's not like I'm here reading all or even more than 20% of my books again. So I guess I should get rid of some.
A biography about Bismarck, whats the point? It was a ship and it sank. Whats next a film about the Titanic? Madness.
I could not imagine a more boring sport to watch, than cars driving round and round, I can go to a local round about for that..
F1 is still tedious, spoilt little rich kids driving multi-million dollar cars where the best car wins regardless of the driver's lack of talent, and tracks so narrow that most of the overtaking is done in the pit lane.
I despise DtS....
Oh and many local businesses lost money during the Vegas GP...
How much are they paying you to flog the Gladiators show each week?
F1, American Sports?
If commercially available cars, in standard guise, toured the world racing on the ‘big’ circuits I’d sign up. And you’d STILL get the continuous leaps in development and feed-through of safety, handling and performance features claimed by the developers of F1.
Save the Planet… ? No, just spend a shitload of money making pointless cars race around in pointless races.
And… American sports and their ‘World’ series and competition? IMO not worth a w*nk.
BTW, Richard, glad you managed to shoehorn the ‘House of Games’, plug in again… well done.👍😜
Did this s pas just mention incels? As if any one of any value or skill would involve themselves with her?