Welcome To The Insane Audi Charging Hub! Audi's Take On How Charging Stations Should Be Designed
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- čas přidán 29. 07. 2022
- Hello from another video here in Germany! Kyle is in Nürnberg visiting the Audi Charging Hub - a showcase DC Fast Charging location equipped with a full lounge, solar panels, covered chargers, charging reservation system, and 2.45MWh of energy storage from used e-tron batteries as a grid buffer.
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Welcome to New York City. Actually we are one hour away from New York City and it's called Philadelphia. But I call it "just outside of NYC". Nürnberg is an international known city not just outside of München (160 km away). Just had to point that out even if nobody cares. 😁
As a Tesla owner I must say wow, well done Audi. Very impressive and innovative.
Same! Ev movement looking good
Late to the party Tesla is killing it.
You can stroll with your Tesla and plug it and enjoy the same experience as an Audi driver :D
Ok minus the automatic billing.
Thank you for noticing, admiring, and appreciating the wheelchair access!! World needs more Kyles.
It's a beautiful facility but I suspect the expense of building/maintaining will make scaling up to any meaningful level problematic. I think the POD video you shared is a much more likely scenario at large scale. I will say, however, the use of used batteries is a very smart use case.
This is really nice - it reminds of a VIP/members lounge at an airport.
Wow that wheelchair lift is awsome, I've had lots of wheelchair experince and while I've seen lifts like those before, I've never seen one that can go around a corner like that and looks so clean, awsome
Just a shame all the screens on the chargers and all the connector holsters are not at a wheelchair height...
@@ojeskog you could use the app and the holster looks low enough to reach, don’t forget Kyle is pretty short so the camera prob makes the holsters look higher then they really are
@@voltspc9394 Hahaha. Well, at least there is no real curb to tackle and space at the side.
Its fair to say that charging stations will give rise to some larger retail concepts based around a continual flow of EV visits of 30 minutes or less. The possibilities are endless, interesting and something to look forward to. This Audi execution was obviously done with little or no consideration for cost or profitability and looks destined to become a dentist office at some point in the future. Personally, I'm looking forward to the day when Dunkin Donuts becomes the go-to stop in my EV travels.
From an european perspective, no need for more of this processed food trash. :-) We have already HPC Chargers at Mcdonalds and Burger King, thats enough.
@@mr.zeettt6782 Agree, as a Scandinavian ! Make charge stops near highways, but where you can walk around some nature, with paths that tells you how long it will take to get back. And maybe a small coffee shop, that would be perfect.
love this. I'd even pay a bit more than going to walmarts all the time in the US. Assume they have clean bathrooms too? Wife would love that, she always complains about the wal mart bathrooms being dirty, being cleaned when she goes to use them or out of order
I'm always happy to hear about used EV batteries being reused in whole. But then I realize that of course the company is going to find a way to reuse them, those things are not cheap.
Awesome charging site. Thanks for the tour!
That is a really swanky charging station. It looks like a showcase location but it's not economically sustainable. It must have cost Audi a fortune to build that charging hub but the revenues are minimal and it can't possibly be viable as an ongoing business.
That Taycan is insanely beautiful.
I like the reservation idea. You know ahead of time you have a spot at a working charger. If the grid goes down, this building will still work for a while. The structure will keep you out of the elements and comfortable.
Thanks! Very informative.
Brilliant, thank you for bringing this development to us.
I really like the idea of buffering the chargers with batteries and not taxing the grid.
I love these charging station tours, give me ideas on architectural designs i can make for our US market in the build out here.
I want a lounge modeled after the old borders bookstores near the coffee shop and magazine rack, nicest time just reading cool magazines of interest while drinking caffeine of your choice. That's gone now but could return if you create a compelling enough design. This future is all on your shoulders, do not fail us.
It's a great place. And the location is actually good: it's the main road from motorway to the city (lots of traffic) and it's close to the exhibition center.
It's very popular during the week.
Love these type of charging places, where you can combine charging with work in a beautiful environment 😍
Very interesting. Thank you.
Audi - build the in America! Start in Chicago - love my Etron!
It would be a miracle to see thse kind of charging cubes coming to US.. Love the BK style..
Interesting video as always. This place looks a smaller version of the Gridserve Forecourts we have in the UK which are for all ev makes.
I might have missed it, but are there other car items available like air for tires, or even washer fluid...
You said these are ‘old’ Audi battery mods? What does that mean ? Was part of the battery pack defective?
Can only (electric) drivers from the VW-group charge and acces the lounge? Or is it accessible for every electric brand? For example, when I pull up there with my Volvo C40.
You should come to the UK, we have some 7kw chargers at the supermarkets, though most of them time they’re blocked.
Very impressive.
Would be interesting to learn more about the reservation system and see it in action if you go back again sometime.
Hey, that's pretty cool. Don't ever expect something like this in the states though.
Batteries are the key, they lower the grid connection costs! Hope this or similar set up expand, Even if it’s A bit elitist.
Intriguingly remarkable; noted.
Now that you are up close and personal in Audi factory, what is the latest takes on delays of Audi Q4 production for U S?
We need this in Norway!
Got to give it to the designer but that building is beautiful!
In general a great concept. But the ability to reserve a charger and ways to head in to town with your car plugged in to a 350kW charger seems like a great way to block a charger both before and after you have your session. Or can you tell the charger I just want to use one module and have a longer stop while the other side can use all the remaining charging modules? I didn't see any Level 2 options or slower DC options.
We in the US are used to fueling stations that have a convenience store attached. If you combine the lounge aspect of the Audi facility with a minimally sized convenience store you have the amenities that most people would be looking for not only for extended road trips but also for localized charging as well. As our cities continue to grow, people are not only going to need these fast chargers, but as you and others have pointed out, we need to be investing in level 2 destination chargers at grocery stores, shopping centers, business parks. Places where you will be parked for an hour or more.
Cool indeed.
Ha, nice job keeping that lounge access code exclusive.
Like this stuff!
We need these in the U.S.!
Danke, dass du meinen Vorschlag umgesetzt hast 😅.
Would this be feasible to mass reproduce?
Nice, this is how it should be. One major issue with the charger. Heat issue, because locked in in a box.
I guess the point of the second floor is a better view? Otherwise it would make more sense to make it 1-story with more overhangs and 3x the solar. I also wonder what the capital tradeoff is for batteries vs grid connection. Regardless, the longer it's in service, the more the ~20% AC-DC-batt-AC loss costs.
Next Stop Seed and Greet Kreuz Hilden, a practical charging hub.
Where is the chadamo port ?😁
Gosh it’s so nice. With the volume of tesla drivers around me we’re gonna need an Ikea sized version of this. Envious!
Super Cool! Seems expensive though. And kind of overkill for a 20 minutes stop..? 🤔
What a neat concept! Love the way it looks, and the setup is very cool. Think Tesla needs to install the “reserve” type apparatus on all their SC station. Have it up at all times to avoid being ICE’d all the time. And can only go down as it detects a Tesla in the parking lot to gain access to charging! To be quite honest, I don’t think something this nice and high tech would last in States, mate. Someone is bound to Fig it up. Because of you know, “I have my rights!” Fig your “Rights”, but I have mine !!
Thanks for plethora of information and cool videos, mate!
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Nice. But the big question is how much do these things cost to build?
I don't see how this can be profitable for Audi.
Pretty much a NIO House, but with even fewer people. Looks nice though
I'll just be over here giggling at "Einfarht," and the fact Kyle avoided saying it.
Very nice and very impressive. I’ve had my e-tron for 2years, but in 2 months changing to a Tesla Model Y.. A little confused about the scooters though. These charges are so fast, say 30 mins. So how far can you travel in 30 mins. Round Trip ? Or your car sits there blocking a space. !!!
Just a thought: Tesla and others have demonstrated automatic connection and disconnection to chargers. Even if it is a ways off for FSD on all roads, why not use FSD to move a charged EV off the charger to a parking space rather than merely charging idle fees? If chargers get more congested this could be a "free" feature, permitting higher throughput, increasing supercharger revenue. If cars are queueing, use FSD to move cars waiting to charge into the next available charger in order to free the occupants from waiting in the car for the next charger.
Basically use FSD features to provide "valet" charging. Don't bother with figuring which charger is available FSD will take the car to it.
Such capabilities would enhance the value of supercharger locations to nearby establishments.
I’m so glad NIO is only about 5 min for a fresh battery. That is also with making an appointment & reserving your time slot & battery!
@@PhilthyMr I'm curious, is your primary means of replenishing energy through battery swap, or do you primarily charge at your residence?
@@mrhickman53 swaps! It’s so amazing. I’m in love with my NIO. I read here in Norway, 90% of owners use baas & swaps.
@@PhilthyMr Glad to hear that you are so satisfied! That is information that I had not heard about Nios in Norway.
I'm just about sold on the upcoming A6 eTron - if they import the Avant to the US. (I really do not want an Allroad version but I'm afraid that's what we will probably be stuck with for choices.) These Audi charging stations are exactly what the EV infrastructure needs to be to encourage more people to make the transition from internal combustion power to what is clearly the future. They are FAR better than any Tesla supercharger installation I've seen so far.
These cannot come to US soon enough! As a non-Audi customer I would pay a reasonable addional fee to use a facility like this.
Tesla should take notes for when they need to remodel the Kettleman City, CA supercharger.
This is what all dealerships should be doing on their lots. Especially if/when the manufacturers start selling direct and their lots have less vehicles sitting on them.
3:34 I could imagine Audi waits for the stable 3.x software before delivering the cars, so they will have no update nightmares like VW (based on MIB3 rather than ICAS it has a different update scheme anyway).
Less show more go Audi
All that for just 6 chargers?
The lower power connection to the grid is a lot less expensive!
Nice but niche. Far too much overhead to be scalable. Makes sense for a prestige location but the gimmicks aren't going to stick long term.
Could be an Expo pavillion. 😜
Audi can build something like this, but DCFC chargers at Audi dealerships are always turned off or broken in the US 😥
This is only really feasible to do by an OEM
Does not seem to be a scalable solution. Perhaps it's not meant to be.
Just build an adequate number of chargers in convenient locations with consistent reliability and I'll be happy. No fancy expensive buildings needed.
some buildings on major highways would be nice, better than being stuck at an ugly gas station for 20 min
That’s where I think the BK Group pods are the perfect middle ground. 24/7 services like coffee and bathrooms even in middle of nowhere scenario’s.
Just bathrooms, decent lighting, and a squeegee would be a huge upgrade for most chargers.
Awnings to provide shade, with solar panels on top.
This may be a dumb question, but are other EVs welcome to charge here?
Yes
There are 4 Power Units à 75 (respectively 87,5) kW. So that's how the power can be shared.
Not sure how it works if it gets the DC power from the batteries.
It's very beautiful place, but I don't like the concept for just 6 charging spots. With the increasing count of the EVs I think the charging hubs should offer as much charging spots as possible. EVs need at least 2-3 more charging stops compared with the ICE cars and the charging process is at least 2-5 times slower. My thoughts are that we will need 4 to 15 times more charging spots compared to the gas stations columns.
I assume at a building as nicely designed/engineered as this - there are Toilets?!? 😉✌️
Is US behind Europe when come to infrastructure for EV?
At least EU has standardized the plug.
@Out of Spec Reviews i live like 5 Minutes Away from that :D but actually never Charged There because way to expensive, the cheapest charging ATM in Germany is Aldi with 39 cent Euro / kwh
Not that expensive if you have an Audi and one of the charging tariffs (starting 4,95EUR/month). it costs 0,31 EUR / kWh.
Einfahrt
This seems just like the Tesla kettleman city, CA supercharger lounge but swankier
Europe is years ahead of 🇺🇸
8:54 How is the wheelchair driver supposed to open the door? 🤔
Great looking concept, but seems like a lot of wasted space on the ground...
The battery to street feed ratio is interesting.
A 30kW solar feed might at best give you 200kWh (so 10% of capacity). Really needs more.
Would be interesting to see if the station is smashed by multiple cars on busy days. The ratio only really works for minimal usage. If you consider petrol station utilisation I suspect it's going to have some issues
But great to see batteries being recycled for another use.
Good to see Audi getting on board. The more minds involved, the better the outcome. But sorry Audi, you were once my favorite, but after having a Tesla I can never go back. Thx for the video.
Kyle has both. ☺️
Panels design similar to Scania technical center.
But how would that work in the US with all the shooters and robberies and things 🤔
They could upgrade the locks and use armoured glass. 😅
But what's to stop a shooter from getting in with the app and code and robbing everyone? Especially if there's nobody else around. And it doesn't look like there's too many emergency exits.
Would need a lot of good guys with guns to stop the Bad guys
K4n0n3nkn3cht maybe the lounges should have a gun cabinet where you can enter a code and check out a gun like a library book while you're in the lounge.
@@TheKingOfInappropriateComments plus you‘d wear bulletproof vests and helmets
Why aren't they just designing stations like a gas station? You pull up along side of the charger and have it surrounding either a convenient store, restaurant or lounge? Everyone keeps thinking they need to reinvent the wheel for EVs.
Is this because they don't have the software Tesla has? Like Theater, games to entertain you while waiting for a charge? I don't know much about other ev's other than Tesla.
Audi is experimenting with a concept more recently championed by NIO, called a "NIO House". If you haven't heard of NIO, I would look into it. They are launching four NIO Houses in Germany this year, and will be selling their products (which includes battery swapping and BaaS) in 13 European countries by the end of 2023. NIO is a direct competitor of Mercedes Benz, BMW, and Audi.
One beauty’s of NIO swap station is that it’s very small (three car spaces) so a super prime location (middle of any big city) is relatively cheap VS a large bulky (beautiful I might add) station like this. Yet the swap station can swap up to 312 cars per day! so think of the convenient places the swap stations can be. Supermarkets. Malls. Parks. Etc. These supercharger stations are too big to be convenient
Compare an electric future like this compared to smelly old gas stations!
Kyle, you need some different superlatives, you've worn "insane" out :)
Rich people really do live better. Makes me want to work harder.
Loving all the videos from Europe. Great to see other perspectives. The Audi hub feels a bit more elitist than the Tesla one, which almost makes me cringe to say. It’s just a brand thing, I’m sure, but still feels a bit too much “haves and have-nots” to me.
I think (I’m only a month into a M3) I’d like to see a valet type charging station where you say what you want from the charge and they can unplug and move your vehicle for you to keep from idle waste. Just an unexplored idea.
Yea bro, I don’t look like that Audi driver either. And I own a 2021 M340. Funny comment.
Can you imagine THAT in LA...occupied by 170 homeless people peeing in a corner and tagging that building with graffiti and drug needles everywhere! Need its own police force 24/7/365!
Having just finished 5000 km Europe road trip in Fiat 500 EV with limited range, I can agree that this is an amazing and very welcome development
Judging from the tall weeds all over the place they're saving some money on lawn mowing...
Interesting that it labeled in English
English is the official 2nd language of the world
It is by the fairgrounds which may attract international customers.
Bit over the top, Tesla pods seems more reasonable and economical. Oh.....Audi was never about economical.....I forgot.
bit of a ridiculous footprint for such a small number of chargers though
I wish the United States would get their shit together and start putting these kinds of EV charging stations "everywhere" in the US. Yet they have no problem spending BILLIONS of dollars on WAR and other wasteful things.
No, I hope my future EV range will be so long that fast charging won’t be needed (but possible), just over night charging.
This video shows just horrifically behind the US is in charging infrastructure. Visit any EA installation and you’ll usually find half of the units non-functional or dead, and visit some other brand installation and find that none of the units can supply any power to your Ioniq5 because of its fast-charging capability. Situations like these exist all over the country. Also, right in your own back yard of the country, eastern Colorado, western Kansas, the Texas panhandle, and eastern New Mexico, where you find that EV charging simply is not available anywhere unless you happen to be along I-25 or I-70. 300 miles between DC fast chargers just will not cut it, and that’s the situation you have in the middle of the country unless you only drive interstates.
Very nice however, how many charging stations would be available for the same space on the Tesla model? With Tesla offering their system to Porche and Audi owners, how would a Tesla owner be able to charge at an Audi charge station? What is good for the goose should be good for the gander
I'm sure they will let you. Take it easy
Guess we have to find out later on since this is kinda like a testing concept atp.
All cars in Europe , including Tesla , use CCS . Why wouldn't Tesla be able to charge here?
The VWG was and is a open company in europe. There chargers are open to any customers the only company that was not is Tesla.
It is a premium urban charging hub concept for everyone. The charger number is calculated for available storage capacity and low power grid connection.
While this looks slick and futuristic, I just can't see how there could be a business case to make this facility work profitably. In essence, it is 6 fast chargers, with a fancy building around them. Why not just do it the Tesla way, and build 6 fast chargers in a parking lot? Most people are fine sitting in their car while it fast charges. I think that's the only economic model that will practically work.